COMPLETE Elden Ring Patch 1.08 Changes and Numbers (including hidden adjustments!)

[@Chrightt]

To clarify for the 10:50 hammer "poise damage" changes. Yes, they wrote hammer "poise" is increased, not hammer "poise damage". They forgot to write the "damage." As you can see, charged R2 poise damage is increased. Hammer hyper armor is only added this patch (mentioned in a previous line of the patch note/video).

[@fullfildreamz]

Thank you Chrightt. You and Amir are by far my favorites when it comes to ER content!

[@Chrightt]

You're welcome! :)

[@Freaktacular]

Giant-Crusher and Inferno Crozier R2s no longer have halved poise damage, so they are now the biggest stance-breakers of the game as they should be.

[@TruTube.1.]

Blame the "KZbin Crow Feather Jump Attack" build . That's almost as pathetic as COD PLAYERS running around face tanking players.

[@achaoticprince5114]

Wakes up and sees that the numbers have released. Todays a good day to start optimizing.

[@cinema_roll6296]

Nerd! Same tho

[@DaisyChaine]

it’s sad because you will spend probably like 90% of your time “optimizing” when they’re just gonna change it in 3 mo. just play what is fun

[@brentbentKRFP]

@@DaisyChaine Believe it or not but some of us nerds find the optimizing part as much fun as the gaming part.

[@olehmisko389]

This video has the exact amount of information that anyone needs: from high overview and skipping, to watching end-to-end to get all the details. Thank you for this work!

[@wolvenedvard3049]

Flame of the Redmanes imo was overnerfed. Keeping it at 20 stability/poise dmg would have been better.

[@andy4an]

what's the next best noob ash of a war for shitty players like me that need that kind of power to make progress?

[@peepeestorm3187]

They should have just never touched it. It literally has 0 purpose without the poise damage.

[@lloydearlofpudding9536]

@@andy4an whats the best way to show I am an elitist jerk that tells people how they should play?

[@Sljm8D]

@@andy4an Lion's Claw?

[@GKoopa]

@@peepeestorm3187 no purpose? it's a huge fire aoe attack. flaming strike has like 30% of the range and that's the only other ash of war that even slightly resembles redmanes. it's absolutely not useless

[@sixft_under]

The backstab attacks on daggers and reapers come out insanely fast now. I think just by extension of the increased attack speed, but you can backstab essentially on reaction when you catch someone facing the opposite way

[@bbyponk]

very gangster

[@Yobolight]

placebo. None of the changes impacted backstabs.

[@sixft_under]

@@Yobolight neat

[@natetaylor9002]

The Stamina Damage Calculator has me salivating! :P Thank you for all your passionate hard work!!!

[@vengerofthelight]

I love this. Getting detailed explanations of these patch notes is a godsend. Thank you!

[@mattmichael3310]

Strike damage should be noticeably better against armor, so nerf heavy armor defense vs strike across the board. Nerf bleed in general Except for slash dmg. Giving benefit to slash. Exceptions to certain somber weapons.

[@johndang55]

It’s already like that, heavy armour has lower strike and lightning damage efficiency across the board in every game.

[@mattmichael3310]

@@johndang55 not noticeably. Thus no one using it in any capacity.

[@AezoStorm]

love how you explain every change in detail AND backed up with numbers, thank you! This is great content

[@xmst5]

By far the best channel for Elden Ring raw info and insight.

[@TehJoeBro]

wake up babe new chrightt elden ring numbers video

[@achaoticprince5114]

As a claw enjoyer I love what they have done to them, I think the only thing that could make them better now is increasing the distance of the running r1. They don't have a good chase down move since the running r2 goes past people who roll toward you or sideways.

[@daveb305]

Katar and veterans have a really good chase down R1 now

[@dingbat6596]

Using a set of claws in both hands gives you access to 1H attacks as well as powerstanced (by pressing L1 instead of R1), I've found that the 1H R2 is much better for chasing (only downside is that if you're using raptor talons, you don't have access to the double-hit unique R2.) Also, the 1H roll attack / crouch attack is much better in some situations than the 2H

[@funkyboi2672]

Thrusting weapon counter attack damage nerf is great for the hard hitting thrusting weapons but seem like a big blow to lighter weapons like Frozen needle, Rapiers, and Estoc

[@ThomB1031]

My claymans harpoon and partisan have been gimped.

[@MachineWraith]

In depth and high quality!

[@Chrightt]

:) Many thanks!

[@Basscannon90]

Hey bro, glad you found my spreadsheet useful, thank you for the credit and link. Great video as always 👍

[@xenosayain1506]

Thx for all the info. May I make a video suggestion. I like your build videos, and I'd love to see variety. What if you grabbed odd builds from the discord and help optimize and show them off to try and add some build diversity to what we see. If you say yes I'll gladly post my build. Some of you're guys helped me optimize it in the discord and it performed well in invasions and arena. Brought me to shining gold in both duel and teams:)

[@AlteraLin]

My Flame of the Redmanes Crit Build.... 😭😭😭

[@junoglrr9119]

Yes yes thank you so much

[@Chrightt]

np ❤️

[@LorenTR]

From started with their customary nerf to the ground policy again. Some other weapons/skills disappeared overnight with this patch. Heavy thrusting swords are good for their running chase only. Flaming Strike is gone for good instead of its ghost lingering effect being removed. Rivers of Blood is seldom seen in pvp. Bloodhound step is back in its smaller brother quickstep now. It is always 2 steps forward, 1 step back, 1 step sideways with these people.

[@yaboyswiggity]

Thanks so much for this! So many changes are great, but I was really hoping axes would feel better after the buff. I think axes should have higher poise damage and either more damage or more forward momentum, putting them more in line with dark souls 2. Right now they still feel like worse straight swords. I also miss the 1hand r2s and running r1s from dks2 which were quick and had fantastic roll catch ability.

[@bbyponk]

they have the running r1s

[@qwormuli77]

Axes did get more forward momentum. The momentum changes some of these classes got is the one thing Chrightt didn't mention.

[@yaboyswiggity]

@@qwormuli77 and they still suck

[@yaboyswiggity]

@@bbyponk yeah but the running r1s are very slow compared to dks2, which was the only fromsoft game where axes were strong

[@tagheoshorh2082]

I imagine a lot of people in PVE are just gonna switch to something like Glinstone Phalanx for easy poisebreak.

[@sobky6378]

At 10:49 you said “increased poise damage” but the patch says “increased poise” not “increased poise damage”

[@Chrightt]

Ah, yes. They missed the damage part in their notes. Hyper armor did not exist for hammers before 1.08. (The addition of hyper armor is mentioned in a previous line and 2-handing does not increase this).

[@sobky6378]

@@Chrightt Ok thanks for clarifying

[@femaleclerka4092]

Thanks so much for this update! I might try out some new weapons with all this info!

[@mes0gots0its]

I was in the middle of making a Flaming Strike pvp build when this patch dropped. Does this Flaming Strike nerf affect the viability of the Catch Flame > Flaming Strike rollcatch combo?

[@Chrightt]

It does not. This will still true combo if enemy has less than 100 poise.

[@nebulous9280]

As someone who lives and dies by the Raptor's Talons, these changes have allowed me to be a monster in PvP. Insane, unchecked aggression has become a regular part of my game plan, and I can just run up on someone and attack longer than they can roll.

[@IsraTheBlack]

Thank you so much for this video. Imo these are the type of videos that are the most important. I really appreciate it!

[@johb3930]

I've been waiting for this! Great job and thank you.

[@ThomB1031]

The nerfs and buffs should be in smaller increments. I have many alternates for poise damage if they take away flame of the redmanes. Seems silly to target fotr simply because it happens to be the one people talk about.

[@lionheart4424]

Really sad for that Flame of the Redmanes nerf. But there is hope it will get slightly buffed in the future. Thanks for the breakdown.

[@lolohnah]

So true, the pve nerf wasn’t needed but whatever, the pvp nerf is what really killed it

[@GoToBedSheeva]

They’re paying much more attention these days so I expect a buff but not to what it was before.

[@Tackitt]

Great breakdown. Great recommendations. I hope this gets all the views. Thanks Chrightt.

[@grogueQ]

I'd like to see a video on how the level balancing works in the arenas.

[@kelvinsantiago7061]

Yeah! Finally my boi the Club got some love.

[@IdToaster]

Honestly the Colossal roll poke needs to be fast for it to be useful at all; was the only reason DaS3's UGS could be viable in 1v1 PvP, along with mixups. Quickstep/BHS are a problem, but honestly as good as they are (and given the animations they use) if I had my way I'd make them use the slower crouch animations to better balance them.

[@IdToaster]

Also, would be nice if they buffed Shield Crash some. They made other hard-to-steer AoWs easier to control back in 1.07, SC lost status buildup and is way slower to bring up guard, and can be guard broken unlike Bash.

[@andy4an]

crouch poking with the fingerprint shield looks amazing!

[@johndang55]

Chrightt, when you two hand a colossal type weapon and you get a 10% boost in attack, what does it mean. Say for example Keen Zweihander gets to 700 AR 2 handed, does the 10% make it into 770 that way it gets less affected by the physical defence stat that’s gained through leveling up and strength mostly, or does it function as a 1.1x multiplyer after all damage negation and defence are calculated. E.g in PvP it would be 480 but becomes 528 because of 1.1 multiplyer. If it’s the former that would mean split damage colossals get a bigger increase two handed.

[@Chrightt]

Two-handing any weapon does not give a raw attack boost. It boosts your strength scaling by 50% (i.e. if you have 40 strength the weapon AR will use 40 * 1.5 = 60 strength to calculate instead). Higher AR with same MV = more effective vs defense to some degree. There is no additional 1.1x multiplier.

[@johndang55]

@@Chrightt I refer to the 1.04 update when they first sped up colossals, where outside of the strength bonus for 2 handing, they got an extra damage increase when two handing. I’m unable to confirm if they just modified the attack increase but setting the motion value 1.1 times higher. For example standard r1 has motion value of 100, but two handing may make the same attack 110 motion value but show very minimal increase in attack rating.

[@cherdnad2630]

There is definitely an increase when 2 handing aside from the STR bonus. I deal more damage with the Coded Sword 2 handed which shouldn't happen as it doesn't have any STR scaling.

[@johndang55]

@@cherdnad2630 yeah I eventually figured it out for colossals it’s a 1.1 multiplayer of the motion value. As for straight sword you should try to test the same attack 2 handed like the crouch attack. Fairly certain the 2 hand neutral r1 has a higher motion value than 1 hand r1

[@Chrightt]

@Cherd Nad @John Dang Ah, yes. In terms of raw AR they are the same. The reason is due to the MV of the attack itself. I had thought you knew about the different MVs already which was why I emphasized "same MV" in my previous comment. Sorry about that.

[@Mr.Fox-OuterHeaven]

Thanks for all your vids, i always look at the when making new builds

[@dust133]

Woah, serpent-hunter changing to pierce is a big change. Although it’s heavier and has less range, it’s now more powerful than heavy pikes for strength builds. And the only way to get two of them for crouch poking is via a glitch.

[@hopefreeman7063]

In a world full of OP absolutely anything and every weapon class is the best one, your videos are so refreshing. I personally despise clickbait and avoid videos with those kinds of titles. Much respect Chrightt

[@RedViIIain]

There is 2 things I think you got wrong on this video: -Here (10:49) you mention poise damage for hammers was increased, but it doesn't say anything about damage. I'm sure it's just referring to the fact hammers now get hyperarmor on their attacks. (nvm you already replied to someone that pointed this out) -The other thing is related to the Club and Stone Club weapons. You say they didn't get hyperarmor on their attacks, but the other day I started a new game as wretch and I was tanking enemy hits while no wearing armor and my character would never get staggered. Astounding work as always!

[@Chrightt]

I will recheck club/stone club hyper armor, but as far as I know they don't have it even on Emilia's frame data explorer.

[@Drew-im7is]

Thank you! Gr8 info

[@masonguyman3074]

Awesome video Chrightt.

[@craniumdiode1263]

Once I heard that a bunch of lightweight weapons got buffed, I immediately took it into both PvE and PvP and I am astounded as to how good fists in particular feel, which sucks because I love how they feel now, but I definitely think that they're going to be reined back in soon. Additional note for my PvE brethren. Occult Fist + Cragblade + bread and butter buff spells (Golden Vow & Flame, Give Me Strength) is horrific. Give it a try.

[@FrogOnAHorse]

Keep in mind the attack speed of great weapons and collosals aren't even being reigned in at all. I highly doubt they'd do the same to fist weapons

[@craniumdiode1263]

@@FrogOnAHorse Time will tell my friend. I hope they continue buffing up weapons that are lacking, such as bows.

[@johnapple6646]

Fists and claws are nowhere near dominant in pvp or pve. I would guess they're quite safe from nerfs

[@craniumdiode1263]

@@johnapple6646 You're definitely right, but thanks to their speed buff, they can true combo in PvP no (Running Heavy into uncharged heavy) and it can be quite devastating if they have Spiked Caestus or Star Fist and get that bleed off.

[@lamellarm6546]

Unfortunately the stamina crouch fix makes light roll and BHS more problematic than ever. Also it should be possible to compare the bestial sling poise damage ingame, right?

[@Chrightt]

Regarding the Bestial Sling, it is still the same in-game.

[@lamellarm6546]

@@Chrightt Thanks for confirming, I see now that the point was to show that there also wasn't some kind of secret bestial sling change.

[@marios.2975]

Best detailed videos!! Impressive

[@VonSchnitz]

Nice info friend! Ty

[@pocmouse3909]

Great video thank you

[@roachmancam9012]

Chyoooo been waiting for this.

[@Conzort_1]

Thank you for the numbers!! That's how my mind works!

[@johndang55]

Royal knights resolve is 180% stamina damage increase I believe, so against fingerprint shield poking its like having RKR all the time.

[@AndrewBrownK]

I have to wonder if Fromsoft is using an intentional strategy of over-nerfing and over-buffing to see how things play out and then choose the final balance point later. They seem to be doing that a lot. Would not be surprised to see that with flame of redmanes.

[@SauceAppleEater_2885]

Bro, your videos are actually goated

[@colorgreen8728]

Honestly I’m fine with gravity bolt dealing 7 poise. I’d say maybe bump it up to ten just to fit with lore that gravity hurts lol

[@chuckchan4127]

For the range and cost to use it, it's fairly balanced now. If it needs a buff, maybe a slight posies buff like you said and a slight damage increase. But yeah, it dealt WAY too much poise damage before.

[@colorgreen8728]

@@chuckchan4127 yeah, agreed. It’s like if thunderbolt had that kind of poise, it would be goofy

[@Sebaa1337]

this is very helpful, thank you for your work

[@Yuramasaki]

Thanks!

[@qwormuli77]

And Chrightt is back again to help define what quality data looks like! The one hidden change I know of that you didn't mention is the changes to the forward momentum of some of these weapon classes. They weren't that much, but they just might help alleviate the crippling range of most of the hammers (my poor mace hopes so, at least. Time to bust it out again for some PVP testing).

[@Chrightt]

They actually mentioned them in the patch notes (axe/hammer etc section and I added it for claw cause they didn't mention that). No real good way of showing forward momentum because it varied from move to move and weapon to weapon so I only mentioned it briefly.

[@Goob_V10]

Sweet. I can finally play 1.08 now.

[@p1ngerss]

9:48 look mum im on TV!

[@Chrightt]

xD

[@Lone-Nep]

Whatever the shield that outpeforms the Fingerprint is, I hope is one of the pretty ones like Halingtree and not something like the Visage.

[@PhoebusApollo]

Shield Bash regular here, not only does Shield Bash's guarding part of the animation not seem any faster it seems like it got a frame or two slower. Maybe I'm crazy but I didn't see any improvement for sure.

[@Chrightt]

I just checked. Shield Bash isn't changed on both the greatshield/non-greatshield version. Did you perhaps swap from a medium shield to a greatshield? Greatshield's shield bash guard comes out 2 frames slower than medium shield.

[@WeirdGameplay]

Straight facts. Thanks for your work.

[@AZAELinvaded]

Doing God's work ever here, man. Thanks a lot, you are a bless for the community. I thought I was already sub to your channel, but I was wrong. I fixed that.

[@Chrightt]

Nice! Welcome aboard.

[@Proctor_Conley]

Thank You!

[@Kirokill1]

Thanks for providing numbers

[@jared5200]

probably worth mentioning that the host location has been removed for invaders and hunters now. Not really sure what the point of that was. maybe a bug.

[@varsa507]

I appreciate the boost to fists but they should never do more poise damage than swords, let alone AXES, pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Regardless I'm excited to jump in a bleed twinblade pve run now. Thanks for the hard dedicated work

[@modsas9309]

Why 76 instead of just 75 poise ? 76 is only needed for powerstance heavy thrusting sword, which is rare imo. Shouldnt 75 poise suffice in general to tank moonveil beam, ps straight sword, and other common things in pvp ?

[@Chrightt]

Yes, but that is because armors have float (decimals) for poise. It is possible to get an armor combination with 75 poise (that is actually a tiny bit less or a tiny bit more), so 76 to be sure. If you're reaching 75 with bull goat's though, it'll almost always work at 75.

[@modsas9309]

@@Chrightt TIL, thanks for the info 👍

[@captainwafflezs4799]

Most reliable source for ER on KZbin 👏👏👏

[@Chrightt]

Your FPS poking made it too 👋👋

[@AxelonIV]

thanks man, hopefully a 1.08.1 releasing soon with fixed crouch pokes

[@carlosh9476]

@10:49 technically, it doesn’t say poise DAMAGE. Is this supposed to be active (passive?) poise when using this weapon? That’s not a thing though I don’t think…

[@Chrightt]

It is supposed to be poise damage. They definitely wrote a bad line AND missed damage. As you see, the 2handed charged R2 is buffed 😂

[@clearlypellucid]

You misread the great hammer change. It doesn't say it increased poise damage while attacking, it said it increased poise while attacking.

[@Chrightt]

I'll paste what I wrote on the other similar comments: They forgot to write "damage". As you can see, charged R2 poise damage is increased. There is no additional poise for 2-handing hammers vs 1-handing it for hyper armor. In fact, hammer hyper armor is only added this patch.

[@sirrealism7300]

I feel like slash damage should deal more damage when hitting someone out of a jumping attack... So that it can compete with the thrust counterdamage and increased poise damage of most bludgeoning weapons.

[@forbiddenaether1012]

is this video unlisted? i couldn't find it on your channel

[@MooseTorrent]

You are the unsung hero of Elden Ring.

[@madjackgamingandfitness498]

Just need bow buffs for another bandit type playthrough

[@Ersb99]

Man reapers, feel really really good rn.

[@jobani97]

As in scythes?

[@shapshane8241]

76 is really good actually cuz if you reach it without bull goat's talisman you can swap it in and get 100+ poise (76/.75=101.3_)

[@ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg]

look what they did to my boy, they massacre my boy!! Flame of the redmanes was shot

[@AutistiCat2406]

Babe wake up chrightt dropped patch notes

[@valrokeldhart7330]

thank you

[@billvenner25]

Avoid all "game breaker " fluff on youtube. This is real data

[@islar7832]

They nerfed Greatshields so hard that there is absolutely no reason to even equip one in pvp anymore. GJ Fromsoftware...

[@prins-henrik1530]

Question about twinblades: I'm pretty sure weapon enchants apply damage irrespective of motion values, so would buffs be powerful on the first part of the r1 slash of 2H twinblades when compared to keen or heavy? It's possible that it makes the first slash stronger but the second part weaker, but you land the first part easier so it might be a good tradeoff.

[@Kumogakure42]

Dude, you're amazing!

[@Galaka100]

Did the powerstance nerf affect two handing claws? Although you get two of them when two handing, they are not technically powerstanced.

[@subject8776]

Are the axes the only weapons that got a damage increase? Also, do you know if there is a weapon spreadsheet with all the weapons? I'm aware of one but it's still showing the stats from Patch 1.05.

[@Chrightt]

The updated version is linked in my discord.

[@subject8776]

@@Chrightt I mean this spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0IHUc_KT6U9drFccoDwSEOYlx-8I_ASIuX6rYv3Hj4/edit#gid=2132002082 Is that one on your discord? I couldn't find it.

[@nathanrenga4599]

I encounter problem with unseen form and mimic veil. Charater doesnt go invisible and using mimic veil charater will shown as clip into the what ever form u change. Does anyone have this problem or only me?

[@TheHogfatherInvades]

Very helpful

[@kaue11]

so if, in game, I have 75 poise, but it's actually 74-point-something rounded up, am I going to get staggered by the Moonveil R2 bullet?

[@Chrightt]

Yes.

[@brentbentKRFP]

You should be teaching at the University of Leyndell or the Conservatory of Raya Lucaria.

[@Chrightt]

😂 First time I've seen someone put it that way.

[@forktrus]

Great breakdown as always! Wow. That Flame of the Redmanes nerf feels like a massive overcorrection. Was it OP? In PvE, sure -- I haven't played PvP so I don't know. Was a nerf in order either way? I can see that. But 40 to 10!? yeesh. Keep the things you love secret my friends. Keep them secret. Keep them safe.

[@nelson_rebel3907]

They get found out either way. The devs actually play too. So they'll see the overpowered stuff in the game. And its easier to track now

[@unuseableb]

100% nerfed for pve purposes, it sucked in pvp, slow windup, relatively short range and very easy to roll through or even jump over.

[@zombiekungfumaster]

Cragblade still slaps from what I've heard

[@GerritTV187]

So how are axes and hammer's supposed to be used ATM (PvE) are they better for 1h + shield ,/ 2h or just use 2 of them now? I played axe on launch but wasn't happy at all with it.

[@Chrightt]

I don't think I would 2-hand axes/hammers. Probably use them with shield/powerstance depending on your playstyle.

[@phoenixparadox88]

The poise changes are great, hitting 81 was very difficult and ruined the elden bling of several of my builds. 69 is much easier to to hit without mixing in bull goat pieces. Also want to say thank you for digging so deep into the data and giving such thorough info :)

[@Chrightt]

Yep, think the poise damage reduction was needed too. Np!

[@ShahriyarAlam1]

How? My pure sorcery build at level 125 easily reached 83 poise. 57 vigor/30 mind/12 endurance/10 strength/67 int (Intelligent knot crystal tear+queen crescent=80 int) and the rest of the stats untouched. With queen crescent, tree sentinal armor, and crucible greaves I get 83 poise with great jars arsenal to increase equip load, bull-goat talisman for poise, crimson amber medallion+2, and radagon's icon. I'm sure I can lower endurance even more and increase vigor and still reach 83 poise with a different armor on, but these are just what I'm currently using.

[@phoenixparadox88]

@@ShahriyarAlam1 Brother you are wearing one of the heaviest chest pieces in the game, of course you are hitting 80+ poise. I've got a few builds that wear tanky stuff like that too, but it's nice to be able to wear some lighter stuff and still hit poise breakpoints.

[@ShahriyarAlam1]

@@phoenixparadox88 yeah I don't think that will ever happen. Hopefully we get better and more armors in general in the dlc

[@tecnicofwars]

Very informative! It really helps. It also makes me very glad that hammers are still good for posture breaking. The buff to colossal crouch attacks are very welcome, last patch they didn't feel useful even in pve. And with the bugfix to crouch stamina they will lose further strength. Same goes for powerstanced greatspears. The nerf to shield-pokes is nice, they were too powerful both in pvp and pve. But I worry that any shield below Golden greatshield is becoming obsolete in pvp. Rip to Flame of the Redmanes. Don't care much for buffing the speed, that would just make it flaming strike without followup. Nice nerf to carian slicer, though I find strange that they didn't nerf catch flame too. Also, club moveset is faster. Does this include the iron and celebrant cleavers? They look very similar but I don't know if they are the same moveset.

[@Crit-Multiplier]

Good Stuff. This is exactly what i wanted. Not some hobo talking about each change for 5sec and then move to the Next one where he just states the Same shit again."this is sooooo strong now" ye thanks dude i know what buff means.

[@johb3930]

I heard someone say that the shield bash note was wrong.

[@DeceptiKHAAAAAN]

Also, you say 2H twinblades are the best status effect now? Jump powerstance isn’t the best anymore?

[@cridus_]

yesterday in the arena a guy would bleed me with one two-handed running R2 (with the peeler). my char doesn't have super high robustness though.

[@colorgreen8728]

If they made FoR do like 20 or 28 poise damage then I think it’ll be good and balanced, 10 is overkill