Concealed Carry on a Pen Test?

[@AuthenticUnicorn]

The site he doesn't mention has this available to acquire in several colors: www.redteamtools.com/under-door-tool-concealment-belt/

[@seymoarsalvage]

I read the title as "Concealed Carrying a pen" and thought you had a pen-gun lol

[@MatthewFiereck]

007: the writing is on the walls ;)

[@DeviantOllam]

hah... i've shot a few AOW pen guns in the past =)

[@gamefreak3072]

That really would make it mightier than the sword

[@BryanTorok]

I thought he was going to discuss the pros and cons of carrying a concealed firearm while doing penetration testing. It would be an interesting topic. But, I could see some serious possible downsides to carrying a weapon into a secure or prohibited area.

[@DeviantOllam]

@BryanTorok yeah. It's generally not recommended.

[@LeoLocksX]

Always love watching your stuff Dev. I'm in cybersecurity so it's kind of a reminder that it doesn't matter how strong the servers are, if they're locked behind a weak door.

[@DeviantOllam]

that's the lesson we try to reinforce here!

[@EdSileo]

Or just secured by someone who's a little bit lonely...

[@InrangeTv]

This is the "Old West Money" belt which was very common and popular in the 1870-1900's. It was used to conceal a few silver or gold coins.

[@DeviantOllam]

you should definitely do a video about yours! 😁👍

[@Ruostevuori]

Came here to say this. I was also wondering if the old-west method of making the belt from a wide piece of leather folded in two and sewn together would make the re-stowage of the tool substantially easier.

[@nes999]

I was today years old when I found out it isn't a common way to carry money in airports...

[@kittytrail]

in the '70s up to the '90s i saw lots of those sold as "tourist belts with either some fine YKK zipper or Velcro™ everywhere then they mostly disappeared from the usual sellers catalogs. very useful for those pesky little gold coins or pieces you wanted to pass a border with. also useful if you wanted to keep some emergency cash and meds, just in case... 😼

[@colinstu]

@@nes999 who the fuck puts anything inside their belt? (usually? unless it's an under-door tool lol)

[@JohnDoe-fk6id]

You need to add a pull string, that allows you to PULL the tool back into the belt, rather than having to push it. I'm assuming that the belt is stiff enough to handle the compression load, without buckling and turning into an accordion.

[@RC-1290]

I was about to suggest this

[@Dasmaster1]

@@RC-1290 Same. It would result in having to deal with the string on the other end but that is a solvable problem.

[@SeanBZA]

@@Dasmaster1 Paracord string that you wrap up as a decorative end, or have a small pouch to hold it, saying it is there for emergency use if you need to survive. the one end is free, the other disappears into the middle, and has a simple loop with a crimp on the ends. Or it can be a key lanyard, so you never lose your keys, which has the advantage of being a very plausible thing to have a pouch on a belt for, along with either actually having a key or two on there, which makes it look used.

[@MarkMLl_uk]

@@Dasmaster1 The pull string is temporary, so either use a loop (pull through after use) or simply snip it.

[@AlexAskerman]

Or perhaps a magnet

[@nottimothy5994]

Have you tried with a moneybelt? They're designed for storing a few folded up notes within. There's normally a compact zipper running about half the length of the belt in the middle. It would mean you can re-stow the under door tool without a helping rod. They'll be slightly more bulky due to having a zip, although if you were getting them manufactured you could ensure the zip is offset, eg rather than zip being vertically centered, have it at the top 1/3rd so when the tool is in side the thickness is spread more evenly over the belt.

[@DeviantOllam]

I have tried that, but I don't like the zipper at all

[@CanadaFree-ce9jn]

Most I've seen don't seem to have as long a compartment as this rod needs. However, another alternative is rock climbing tube webbing.

[@Flying0Dismount]

If you don't like ratchet belts or have a glued belt that you want to convert yourself as a "one off", then you can easily separate the glue by finding a flat metal bar, filing a round, blunt "butter knife" nose on the end, and then heat it up carefully with a heat gun or over your stove, and insert the heated end into the glue seam and it will separate without much fuss. Simply keep working the bar down into the belt, reheating the end as necessary until you reach the end. Dump a bit of unscented talcum powder (or scented if that's what you want) to keep the sides from re-sticking and to make insertion and removal of the door tool easier.. I work on saddlery and come across glue seams that I need to open up all the time and I have an electrically heated "knife" that I use for this purpose, but before I found it, I was using a metal bar with a blunt tip and a propane torch...

[@JonnyBlaze0077]

TheNotSoCivilEngineer lore expands... I started my whole... journey into this world with NSCE and when his content just... disappeared I was so sad. I know where he his now, and am excited for the future... but this is so so cool

[@InvestedDetailing]

This could be the beginning of a new venture. Everyday apparel/accessories that doubles as covert entry tools. Tie clips that are lock picks. Pocket squares that are badge readers. The possibilities are endless.

[@nes999]

I love the fact you share your process. It is an honest to god relief to have someone not gatekeep info. Does anyone else find the racheting belts dont seem to hold up as well? I seem to go thru one or two a year.

[@error.418]

This makes me want to build one that _is_ the belt. No disassembly, just belt off and it is the tool. It wouldn't work being this thick double layer of leather, it would have to be a whole fab, but a fun project concept...

[@natkirk7633]

Definitely doable and using a string that’s tucked in a way you can pull it like a rip cord then just tuck the sting back away. May not work on doors with proper spacing at the bottom but could definitely work for doors that the spacing isn’t correct on like an interior door of a house.

[@peterk7931]

I've wondered what happened to Not So Civil for a while. Thanks for the update.

[@DeviantOllam]

yes, last I heard he was still in the industry and still doing well. i hadn't realized that his content was all purged until someone reached out asking me what happened to him

[@ts757arse]

@@DeviantOllam That's a real shame... I think I directed someone to that stuff just recently.. Oops!

[@angelinthecenterfold]

He was not long ago making wild designs with lots of time and access to a milling machine as an intern for a lawyer and gave birth to the infinity rake! I wish I could find that video 👀

[@James_Mular]

​​​@@DeviantOllam his stuff is on the Internet archive still, if you ever want to point people towards some of his amazing innovations such as over the door round knob attacks my links don't seem to be posting but if you search video metadata for 'creator:"TheNotSoCivilEngr"' (not including the single quotes) it pulls up all his stuff

[@DeviantOllam]

@James_Mular My searches there didn't turn up anything at all, unfortunately.

[@Ron-n2o]

I'm glad to see you chose a 1-3/8" wide belt. Most of them are 1.5" (or 38mm) which just barely fits through the belt loops on a lot of pants (I recently learned this the hard way).

[@ThomasAndersonPhD]

"I found the factory" I love this story!

[@waylonk2453]

Grin, me as well. He knows how to get around obstacles

[@donchaput8278]

Back around 1999 I was a freshman in college at RIT. Someone got locked out of their dorm room (were were on Gleason 5). I had never heard of one, but I got 2 coat hangers, a piece of tape and some string and made an underdoor hook. Helped someone else a month later and then the RA found out. ALL THE HANDLES at that college were rotated down 90 degrees a while after. I'm curious if they are still like that.

[@juver890]

What do you mean i can't bring in my emotional support 40mm pump action ?

[@Junk_Yard_Dog]

Awesome as always. Thank you for the excellent work and videos

[@sandy1653]

I made a (probably silly) assumption when I saw the title and thought you were talking about ah projectile launching apparatus.

[@baijokull]

I got into leatherworking to make myself some watch straps but I could probably make one of these. Thanks for giving me a project, I might actually even have some free time over the next few weeks :D

[@DirtyPlumbus]

Have you considered nitinol wire? It could be straightened out with a lighter to get it back in a belt.

[@whoisrhys]

This was my first thought, you could even potentially have it ready with a handle and hook shape. Take it out of the belt heat up each end and you're ready. Use heat to straighten the middle and manually flatten each end to reinstall in your belt.

[@error.418]

I love how we all see "oops, bent wire" and immediately think "nitinol (or other memory wire) could solve this." So many comments on it, love it.

[@colinstu]

I don't know if it would have the rigidity, unless the diameter is right.

[@Tome_Wyrm]

I'm glad someone commented this. You could easily do a pretty decent thickness of rod, and it's a titanium alloy... it's a bit springy, but it's SERIOUSLY durable, and you can tune the temperatures at which it does the "remembering/healing" effect. The main worry I would have is how stiff you need the tool to be under a compressive load... I haven't gotten to play with nitinol much.

[@johnnysun6495]

Now that the NotSoCivilEngineer's videos are gone, you gotta make your own videos on how to use under door tools on doorknobs and crash bars

[@James_Mular]

His stuff is still on internet archive

[@jeffandthings77]

@@James_Mular I'd love advice on how to locate that!

[@James_Mular]

@@jeffandthings77 I can't post links but if you go to the archive and search video metadata for creator:"TheNotSoCivilEngr" You should be good

[@James_Mular]

@@jeffandthings77 I can't post links but if you go to the archive and search video metadata for creator:"TheNotSoCivilEngr"

[@James_Mular]

@@jeffandthings77 I can't post links but if you go to the archive and search video metadata for creator:"TheNotSoCivilEngr You should be good (Just add a quotation mark to the end)

[@BeeWhere]

Such a cool idea and glad to see it come into existence.

[@ii7317]

DA RED WUNZ GO FASTA!

[@johnbeauvais3159]

I had not heard of this idea before but it's fantastic, feels like something straight out of White Collar. The potential for an entire discreet E&E kit for traveling abroad is fascinating.

[@AuthenticUnicorn]

OoooOo it does feel very White Collar!

[@spencereagle1118]

The door opens and you are standing there with your pants round your ankles.

[@ryanwilson_canada]

I made the hook tool for my udt when I saw not so civil do it. I have to admit, it works really well. I already use a ratcheting belt, I've never have looked closely at it to see if it's glued in the middle or not. 🤔 I wish I could order stuff right now. But with the canada post strike everything is mucked up, and the likelihood of things getting lost in post is super high right now.

[@DeviantOllam]

yeah, i wish them success on their labor action and hope that you all have mail again soon!

[@ryanwilson_canada]

@DeviantOllam on the bright side, most of my bills still come paper mail. So no bills. Haha. Too bad they also come by email. Lol. Not sure when they will come to a resolution, at this point. Before xmas, I would be surprised. But it's been long enough, the system is going to be backlogged for quite some time I imagine. Only time will tell.

[@matthewshannon6946]

Very, very cool idea and process! Thanks for sharing your genius!!

[@sixonegfour2719]

Well now I want a red one 😆💪✅ Great work.

[@thesyco]

The red belt gave me a flash back to Star Treks red shirts; the first to die in any episode 🤣

[@grappler555]

Always love seeing your videos over the last decade man cool stuff. Also recommend looking into the new bodyguard 2.0 for conceal carry. Also a big fan of the p365 xmacro.

[@SystemX1983]

for assembly, you might also be able to use those electrical conduit PVC pipes (like we use in Germany for "on wall" installations, made by OBO for example), if their OD fits into the ID of the belt.

[@Knightlife07]

This is the best of KZbin and a community

[@dudesarcade]

Super Cool! This is one of the tools I do not have. I might have to order this!

[@RealRickCox]

I'd $hit purple twinkies if I won that red belt. So sick!! Love this idea.

[@DeviantOllam]

i would ask you to share photos if you won... photos of the belt, no photos of poop, please, lol

[@NatesRandomVideo]

Yule log. 😂

[@wobblysauce]

I think that the Red one would look Dapper, and would go right to the top of the belt rotation.

[@woofiewill]

I was expecting a video about a CCW on a pen test, and my immediate reaction was that sounds like a horrible idea. I'm glad I was wrong!

[@cjramseyer]

Have you consider the use of memory wire for the concealed under door tool? Added cost, certainly, but with memory wire, you could pull it out, bend as needed, then by simply heating it the wire, it has a memory to go back to its original shape

[@scrawneyclimber]

Thinking about trying it, but question will this work for small frame (28-30" waist)? I would think you'd have to triple it up.

[@EliStettner]

you can cut the belt!

[@DeviantOllam]

​@@EliStettnerYes they can trim the belt but I believe what this person might be asking is whether or not there is enough space inside the belt for the tool to exist in just two segments or if they would have to fold the tool twice and have three segments. That would work if necessary, by the way. But I think when I manufacture the tool, I leave the rod much longer than it is really necessary to be.

[@scrawneyclimber]

Thanks Dev, you got it exactly. I am a weirdly skinny guy and was thinking about that. I also have other concealed carry issues as a result.

[@sjoer]

I also have a belt with a pocket, it is called a "cache belt" and mine is made of Kevlar :D

[@sjoer]

also, it has NEVER been searched in the airport and usually you get to hold your belt or you give it to the TSA officer on the other side right... Super convenient!

[@sjoer]

And I have had mine in prison as well, but I only had a compass and a firestarting kit in it... the officer that I showed the pocket when he gave me the belt said he would have never known!

[@ssatva]

I love this, and haven't been interested in this long enough to have seen anything about it before. So I'd love anything more about this you think is worth sharing!

[@AkiSan0]

i think what could work is something like those magic wand / tent pole thingies- where you have tubes with a thread inside and when you tighten it, the tube stiffens. then another thread on the outside and et voila. quick deployment under door tool.

[@allenshepard7992]

Black or brown would be cool, have to keep things "professional looking" and dull. Safe flight to you. Thanks for the air tag tip.

[@treasurediver93]

A suggestion; you should offer replacement wire/internals as a kit so in the event you damage it too much or are forced to leave it behind you don’t have to buy a whole new belt.

[@daveatutube]

Would a small grommet near the far end of the belt (on the inside) allow you to run a string for repacking the tool back into the belt? Conceivably a double one that goes straight through near the loop of the UDT would allow you to thread the string through and have the UDT catch the string and pull it out, then you use it to pull the bar back in when done. (for "string" any appropriate line could do, and it's reasonable to carry a small spool of "thread" in an EDC sewing kit.)

[@nostalgicmusicbox]

As you were talking about this, I thought to myself, "I probably can't afford one of these, so I wonder if I could make one. And I bet you deviant would love that." And then you immediately said, "for make your own, literally..." Then you made me laugh out loud, literally!

[@getahanddown]

So right with the business mentality. If someone calls wanting to purchase and knowing it's a custom order you quote them an extra hour labour which will easy cover labelling one 'no glue'. And dealing with service providers where one of them was instructed to completely disregard maintaining an area (now under different care) but he still goes back and spends half a day in the sun for no more money. So weird

[@SkyOctopus1]

To be honest, I'd love to even buy a full grain leather ratcheting belt. I love them, but the ones I keep ending up with are made of so much cheap cardboard they're basically just bookworm farts.

[@chrisdixon5241]

This is indeed awesome. Now make the buckle into the straightener tool and everyone is a winner! :) And surely it must be black, for every wearer is a black belt in penetration :)

[@yhachler]

Does someone have an understanding of whether nitinol (or another shape memory metal) would make a better or worse material for this under door tool? I love the idea of having it spring into shape with a lighter 😂 but it could be too flimsy ...

[@Mil-Keeway]

You could add a 2-3 segments of a collapsible tent pole to the kit to use as a pushrod, maybe using non-stretching rope so it is easier to pull back out. That would be compact enough to keep the parcel size reasonable for shipping and strong enough for the force required. Also, fiberglass or carbon fiber ones might not be as suspicious on a parcel x-ray vs. collapsible/telescopic metal tubes...

[@yetzt]

Security professionals get scared when pentesters take out their belt...

[@PanicGiraffe]

Going straight to their manufacturer was an awesome move. That salesperson is an idiot for not working something out. They could've had a zero overhead revenue stream by working out a deal with you.

[@timseguine2]

I know the "site you don't mention" by now and what it is. But have you gone into more detail before about why you "don't mention" it?

[@DeviantOllam]

it just feels crass to me. i do not like commercialism and my channel is more about personal expression and less about business... so i feel rude to the audience when i link directly to sales things, heh. some other channels have become little more than "be sure to drink your Ovaltine" and I try to steer well away from that direction.

[@Martin42944]

Don’t let him fool you, he is a pro at engagement and the algorithm. By not mentioning the site, more people go out of their way to find the site 😂

[@canoepick1140]

@@Martin42944I’ve talked to @deviantollam enough to know it’s a bonus that came from his decision not a deliberate marketing move.

[@fibre0690]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[@wobblysauce]

Also get more of the people that need an item, rather than just wanting the item crowd.

[@evanottinger1672]

Love this--It's probably the easiest way to pack a UDT, to boot.

[@Redsparrow12]

reminds me of the loop sewn into 5.11 pants for a ziptie cuff, I bought a pack of 48" zipties and carry one in all my britches now.

[@mcdpoor]

That’s an interesting tool.

[@DeviantOllam]

thanks! i like using it and showing it!

[@seeigecannon]

Suggestion that might make the wire easier to re-insert into the belt: Get a piece of 3/8" nylon or LDPE tubing with thin walls. Mcmaster has 5' nylon tubes with 1/32 wall thickness for $5 (8628K52), and slide that into the belt, and maybe squish it down some. The tubing should significantly reduce the friction while shoving the wire back in. Heat shrink (the harder stuff with low friction) might also work as you are just needing to make it slippery. Sense you have direct contact with the manufacturer you might also be able to ask them to sew in a couple thin UHMW sheets or something.

[@CanadaFree-ce9jn]

I have Anson belts, clearly they didn't want an inferior product with their name on it. Walmart also sells ratchet belts. It is great that you provide a kit so people don't have to source the supplies and perhaps incur multiple shipping costs.

[@Alexander-nz1dz]

It's less normal looking than these, but Arbor Arms makes a liner belt that stores flex cuffs (the big zip tie kind) that act as a stiffener instead of kydex. Flip it inside out so the velcro is on the inside and that'd look less weird.

[@bilmantender5812]

OMG this is awesome! OTOH: 😢😢 I wasn't aware that not so civil engineer has deleted his your 😢

[@jayp1013]

Worked security at a hight 3 star hotel and i can’t tell you how many of those under the door tools I took off homeless/addicts thieves. A few were the Chinese ebay ones but most were homemade with string and fence wire.

[@efnissien]

Dev, the image of you whipping off your belt before breaking into a hotel room is just so downright wrong! Lol

[@wessss]

You could also buy hollow nylon webbing. Used for climbing and safety harnesses.

[@ArkanoidZero]

Have you thought about using nitinol wire? You could set the memory to the udt shape so you only need to run a lighter flame over it and it's ready to go.

[@Tome_Wyrm]

Even a relatively thick rod would still work in a belt, and you can get ones that will "heal" at hot water temperatures, and you can re-train them at home as well at a higher temperature if I recall correctly.

[@aaexpress44]

put a small slit on the body side of the belt that you can pass a cord through so you can pull the tool into the belt. When you deploy the tool, put a small string in the slit and pull it through while you are removing the tool, then when youre done, tie the tool to the cord, and pull it back into the belt.

[@fusspawn]

some of the airsoft barrel cleaning rods are likely flexible enough to fit inside the belt along with the door tool and enable easier repacking

[@BurningMonkey]

I never knew of this, but it super cool

[@iblackfeathers]

also heard not so civil engineer is doing well for himself. still developing new tools. too bad some of the stuff didn’t land during black friday but looking forward to 2025.

[@death31313]

I've wanted to make one of these since I saw that video. I experimented with a twisted wire core for the tool itself with some success but I never ordered the belt. I guess I know what to buy next time from that site we won't apparently talk about since that kit costs the same as just the belt I was looking at.

[@CrimLawGeek]

This is awesome. How do you keep the tool from ripping the stitching, especially when reinserting?

[@veno8mm]

The best rod to reinsert would be some type of tip you can put on your car's antenna.

[@GJToken]

Odd question, are you able to make the tool out of “Memory Wire” that heating it up will have it straighten itself out once you’re done?

[@0therun1t21]

I love sneaky things like this, in this case, double sneaky, yeah! ❤❤

[@ok9nja741]

How much would it cost to make the UDT out of nitinol memory wire? It's pretty much superelastic so it should retain its shape even after being shoved inside a belt.

[@ZiggityPow]

Do you think these would work well for having a belt with a replacable stiffener for concealed carry? Would be nice to have a belt that you can replace the stiffener as it wears out and holsters sag.

[@derrickdaugherty3445]

I hate wasting money on holsters and I'd love to try appendix, mind sharing what you were using in this vid or have had success with? I didn't notice any printing. Side note, i thought this vid was going to be about concealed carrying at client sites, I've always been curious about that aspect. Thanks for your work!

[@drumset09]

Not the kind of concealed carry I was expecting.

[@derekbroestler7687]

Already gonna buy one, BUT..... MY questions are... 1. How does it hold up to daily wear. Like, "wear it everyday, forget you have it until month's later". 2. How is it for a belt when you're doing the OTHER concealed carry?

[@DeviantOllam]

1. Mine show no signs of wear after a few months of daily drive 2. It plays quite well with my holsters

[@ChrisBigBad]

have you thought of 25°c NITINOL (memory wire) as stick? body temperature should make it snap back to its programmed form (straight?) and when removed from the belt it should cool down to room temperature. it can then be bent to liking. body temp will it return to straight.

[@robertsnider8031]

What gauge wire do you have the best results with?

[@_MrGiggles]

That's sooooo sick.

[@bushflyr7335]

That's a pretty hard Kore idea.

[@MorbidEel]

How about a buckle with a built in straightener? For stowing what if the back was sewn on one edge and something like velcro on the other? Then you can just open it up to put back in easily

[@tomrager3336]

What about sliding a cut off tape measure inside the belt to help you slide the wire in ?

[@Tehk]

A cheap electrical pull rod would probably work great for pushing it back in and being low key in a work bag

[@MilanGajicBuva]

hmmm ... taking getting cought with your pants down to a new level ;-)

[@leonthebleh]

Well, now my brain will once again start to look at all doors I go by to see if an underdoor tool could be used or not.

[@zxggwrt]

Did you wear that past the TSA?

[@zxggwrt]

Question answered. Amazing.

[@Jake-nl1jm]

I wonder if a nitinol wire would work to 'reset' the wire, might be tricky in the field but could work as a reset at home with a hair dryer

[@WizardsAnonymous]

That company was desperate not to take your money.

[@MarkMLl_uk]

Back in the '80s I had a Ford which for some reason encouraged me to lock myself out. So I carried a length of plastic strapping... inside my belt.

[@timothybradford8216]

Couldn’t figure out what a pen test was. Finally realized it is a pentest.

[@Vincent_Beers]

Penetration test or pen test is a security test to see if you can penetrate a buildings security. It's not pentest.

[@tracyrreed]

I totally thought this was going to be about carrying a gun on a pentest in case the local security force got froggy. 😂

[@timothypryor7952]

They make a batman belt buckle. This seems very appropriate. I wonder what other tools I can get in this.

[@apokalypsecow9756]

I'm curious where something like the Flipper Zero might fit into that penetration tool paradigm, with the ability to just spam RFID at a sensor with something as inexpensive and unobtrusive as it is, how would a client take it to see their security undermined by something that looks like a child's toy?

[@JustAGooseman]

7 days late, but now all we need is a purpose made ratcheting buckle that IS part of the under-door tool.

[@PanicGiraffe]

You're hilarious man. 'I thought everyone on the internet knew about the under door tool hidden in a belt', like no haha I didn't even know what that tool was until just now. Now please tell me why those keys on your unnamed website are restricted.

[@mikebeatstsb7030]

There's a stash belt on ebay for past decade at least that has a zip on the inside that upzips all the length of the belt... Sounds like a viable option option.

[@mikebeatstsb7030]

UNzips* not upzips

[@DeviantOllam]

The amount of usable space inside of all of those that I have checked is not big enough, not to mention the zipper is uncomfortable

[@mikebeatstsb7030]

@DeviantOllam fair

[@117anarchist]

A wazoo survival gear cache belt may work really well for this

[@gemhunter498]

Hey, off topic, but I was wondering if there are any security conferences in Indiana? I am having a hard time finding anything online.

[@defrabe1]

What kind of wire do you use for this?