Concert Toms vs Regular Toms - Comparison

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Janne Väätäinen

Janne Väätäinen

Күн бұрын

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@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
So basically, if you're having a hard time tuning toms, try concert toms!
@jcmaludy
@jcmaludy 4 жыл бұрын
Concert Toms sound great in "Most Incredible drone shotsl from The Ocean Race!" With most incredible music Fierce by MWNS. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmGXkGeDqNqqaM0 on KZbin
@GIGMUSIC-o6z
@GIGMUSIC-o6z Жыл бұрын
That is not true. Look at your history going back to Hal Blain. Concert Toms and power Toms were a specific sound engineers, artists and drummers wanted back in the day. The sound is just as valid as double headed drums. It’s a matter of preference as a drummer and what serves the music.
@italdisc0
@italdisc0 7 жыл бұрын
I’m a guitar player I don’t know how I got here, stayed for the accent
@totigerus
@totigerus 6 жыл бұрын
thats hilarious. I'm a drummer and I watch guitar instructional videos sometimes and I'm like "what am i doing here? lol
@eastbaymauiboy
@eastbaymauiboy 5 жыл бұрын
@@totigerus HA HA!, SAME!... It's cool to learn stuff that you "shouldn't" know sometimes though. That way when I ask my guitar players to "maybe try the progression in minor, or try a hammer on, or pull off, or pinched harmonic or something", they give me that confused but slightly impressed look 😊😄
@eastbaymauiboy
@eastbaymauiboy 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah!, and that awesome mustache!
@antonionbeettleincorrectus6296
@antonionbeettleincorrectus6296 4 жыл бұрын
I was watching some Pokémon random videos and suddenly... that accent catch me like a master ball capturing fuckin ‘ Mewtwo.
@valteraugusto6617
@valteraugusto6617 4 жыл бұрын
You should hear my accent!
@marks.6656
@marks.6656 7 жыл бұрын
This was a KICK ASS comparison Janne! Thanks so much for taking the time to do all of the setup/head changes with this video. You rock man!
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It seems like there's more interest in concert toms than I thought!
@semajttam
@semajttam 8 жыл бұрын
Phil Collins uses concert toms, tunes them to bark like a seal. His attack style is mainly rimshots which give the unique sound, along with the gated reverb. Still sounds great even today!
@thefairchildbros.9184
@thefairchildbros.9184 2 жыл бұрын
Mike Portnoy and Taylor Hawkins also used concert toms.
@andre.1984
@andre.1984 Жыл бұрын
According to Nic Collins, Phil didn't tune his toms, he just hit them really hard.
@GIGMUSIC-o6z
@GIGMUSIC-o6z Жыл бұрын
Check out the song Inside out by Phill Collins. His single headed kit sounds amazing on that song.
@zerodefectmachine
@zerodefectmachine 8 жыл бұрын
Concert toms can sound great when miked from inside the shell and at the batter side. When miked just from the top, the single mike cannot capture the punch and tone by itself from the batter side alone. Great sounding vintage TAMA kit, BTW.
@drumtravelfun
@drumtravelfun 6 жыл бұрын
This.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
I have tried micing from the bottom and inside, with not so great results, so that's why I miced them them from the top. Didn't have enough mics for top an bottom. Maybe I'll do a video about different micing options of concert toms one day.
@thenecropolis_ov_former_lo3396
@thenecropolis_ov_former_lo3396 6 жыл бұрын
Janne Väätäinen please do!! I use concert toms. and I'm curious how to mic them.
@eastbaymauiboy
@eastbaymauiboy 5 жыл бұрын
Totally, that's the only way to mic concert toms baby!
@asbjrnfossmo1589
@asbjrnfossmo1589 2 жыл бұрын
The pro with this is you can fit a BIG fucking mike in from the bottom. It''s wasted if you use regular tom mikes. The shorter sustain helps clear up the total mix, provided you know to dial in the EQ for each tom.
@robertoricci3393
@robertoricci3393 7 жыл бұрын
That snare is so 80's
@anjasfajaryan6201
@anjasfajaryan6201 7 жыл бұрын
so is his hair :D
@hixrat
@hixrat 7 жыл бұрын
It totally has a gated verb sound to it.
@sharpisharp
@sharpisharp 7 жыл бұрын
yes, wanted to comment that, too but i like that o_O
@totigerus
@totigerus 6 жыл бұрын
ahh thats why i like it so much
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I think that the clear Emperor head has a lot to do with the sound, along with the drum itself, and the tuning. You also have to hit it HARD with heavy sticks. Really makes a huge difference.
@geoffcowan2384
@geoffcowan2384 2 жыл бұрын
You did a great job making both styles sound great. Nice job!
@Birdbungle
@Birdbungle 7 жыл бұрын
I had a concert tom set in the 80's. I really liked the cutting sound of the 6-12 inch toms. Attack sound, like Neil Peart's setup, back in the day.
@noisyboy5529
@noisyboy5529 4 жыл бұрын
Coolest drummer on KZbin ever... very nice vid, bro 👍👍
@thesleepdog1
@thesleepdog1 7 жыл бұрын
Janne it was a really great presentation! Finally, someone demonstrates that there really is only a difference in taste between concerts and double heads but a big difference in price and convenience. I used to carry all my toms inside each other and fit them in a couple of cases. It's just fashion. I think concerts are the future. Wait and see.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. They are convenient for sure, and much easier to tune! Can't see to the future though. ;)
@seppoinnanen5577
@seppoinnanen5577 8 жыл бұрын
Cool comparison, haha... great sound both ways, plus I liked your streamlined fills straight from the 70's!
@starspangled2206
@starspangled2206 7 жыл бұрын
A throw back ! I love it !
@ralphbenites1819
@ralphbenites1819 5 жыл бұрын
I think good to add concert tom’s to your kit gives it a 70’s vibe to it ✌️
@Soda_F1
@Soda_F1 8 жыл бұрын
great video, that superstar sounds beaautiful
@DDandrums
@DDandrums 8 жыл бұрын
Phil Collins used concert toms.
@ACLeftyGuitar
@ACLeftyGuitar 7 жыл бұрын
i always wondered what that 80s drum sound was now i know
@totigerus
@totigerus 6 жыл бұрын
that "80's drum sound" had a lot more to do with gated reverb than it did concert toms, although both played a part.
@semajttam
@semajttam 5 жыл бұрын
@@totigerusyup. Just happened to be what he had set up and was using.
@pepe7drum
@pepe7drum 4 жыл бұрын
Just because it was the 80s
@kentuckyblugrass
@kentuckyblugrass 4 жыл бұрын
"Uses"
@longde
@longde 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this excellent video! The 1-headed toms sounded great!!
@Am0r_y_PeZ
@Am0r_y_PeZ 6 жыл бұрын
Great old school metal sound on that beautiful tama man. Awesome
@EnDoubleEwe
@EnDoubleEwe 6 жыл бұрын
Janne, great playing and great-sounding drums! To me, the sounds of bottom heads on or off both have their charm for different reasons.
@luigitedjoputro3056
@luigitedjoputro3056 3 жыл бұрын
That fast forwarded clip sounds so satisfying
@ndSpaz
@ndSpaz 6 жыл бұрын
When you started playing the whole kit with concert toms it immediately reminded me of the song Therapy from The Damned, so it made me prefer them over the normal ones.
@MrTripletts
@MrTripletts 2 жыл бұрын
Are you from Transylvania
@JohanSegeborn
@JohanSegeborn 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and playing!
@stevenwayne9231
@stevenwayne9231 4 жыл бұрын
I love the concert tom sound but your kick and snare are amazing.i dont know why more drummers dont use that snare sound these days
@GIGMUSIC-o6z
@GIGMUSIC-o6z Жыл бұрын
Like and subscribed. Your drumming and this demonstration comparison are excellent here
@polyduckwanaland
@polyduckwanaland 2 жыл бұрын
DUDE! That kit gives off huge Skid Row vibes!
@etilcareh
@etilcareh 8 жыл бұрын
A BIG thank to you, Janne !
@321wowzer
@321wowzer 6 жыл бұрын
A+ for presentation!
@dylanlamb8710
@dylanlamb8710 5 жыл бұрын
My TAMA set is all old school Concert Toms...they don’t have lugs for reso heads, so it’s a clean look. 6, 8, 12, 12, 14, and 16. The 14 and 16 are mounted on a single floor stand dual TAMA rack mount. I like the sound, and all the toms have the foam Remo muff rings under the heads. They have good sound, and thump, but no ring. I want to buy a new set, but I’ll always keep this one since it’s a unique set up.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like a great set! I would like to have a proper concert tom set too, but I don't have the space to store them.
@cyberpoet72
@cyberpoet72 8 жыл бұрын
Neither sounds bad really.. but I love the snare sound you got there! I may have to revisit an old deep superstar like that.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 8 жыл бұрын
They are some fat snares, and the clear Emperor head works really well.
@cyberpoet72
@cyberpoet72 8 жыл бұрын
Yes they are! and I noticed the clear head - i was surprised by that.
@therealjeff8086
@therealjeff8086 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was a great comparison, but my biggest takeaway is that his snare sounds awesome.
@williamdawson4023
@williamdawson4023 6 жыл бұрын
try putting a evans g2 on your snare it sounds almost exactly like that
@danhoyland142
@danhoyland142 4 жыл бұрын
Is it me or do the concert toms sound better for recording? I’ve set my kit up like that a few times and they sound not all that great in person and I’m great at tuning. Although, I did just play a vintage slingerland kit that had a bass drum with no reso head and that bass drum sounded Incredible. Also, I got a super mahogany superstar kit too, they sound great.
@Altuz
@Altuz 8 ай бұрын
I prefer no reso head when I record metal / rock because I like the attack that it gives, you still hear the tone, but it rings out a lot less and doesn't bleed after doing fills.
@marks.6656
@marks.6656 6 жыл бұрын
This comparison kicks ass! I personally liked the sound of the full set of concert toms better myself. You sound great either way though
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@grummer88
@grummer88 9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic man! I have the same Superstar toms and I always wanted to put off my rezo heads. Now I know it sounds killer!
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 9 жыл бұрын
+grummer88 Yes, you can do it with a confidence. It's a nice retro sound. The old Tama Superstars are VERY well crafted, and good sounding drums indeed. Very easy to tune. I still need to get the 10" and other 24", so I'll have a proper double set.
@grummer88
@grummer88 9 жыл бұрын
+Janne Väätäinen I still need to get 16x16 and 24x14/16 :). I have 12x11 and 14x13 toms from '82/'83 in Super Mahogany finish and my 22x18 BD is Starclassic Performer model from 2002. Snare is also made of birch - 14x6,5 Tama Artwood Cherry Wine AW336 from 1986. Love those drums!
@klistarf
@klistarf 4 жыл бұрын
Always loved the sound of concert toms. Vinny Appice really turned me onto the tone/sound in the early/mid 80's with Dio. I actually converted my 'kit at the time, which already had two Maxwin (Pearl) concert toms (8" and 10"), and i thought it sounded great. Each to their own obviously, and i do love the sound of both, but if pushed, i would still go for the concert tom sound. Also, some nice drumming there. Cool... \m/ (:o)
@Motherloadrocks
@Motherloadrocks 4 жыл бұрын
man,i like both sounds
@xenprovence6126
@xenprovence6126 Жыл бұрын
It makes me happy that somewhere in the world it’s still 1977
@thenecropolis_ov_former_lo3396
@thenecropolis_ov_former_lo3396 7 жыл бұрын
I love concert toms. Especially little ones. But I love and prefer the tone and fullness of regular toms
@747hellraiser747
@747hellraiser747 8 жыл бұрын
Great Video. It was interesting all the way. Also nice sounding kit and good playing by the way. Especially liked that information about classic metal records. This was the first time watching one of your videos. Now I'll check out your channel for sure. Keep it up! |m|
@MetalPete_the_metalfan
@MetalPete_the_metalfan 3 жыл бұрын
Toms with both heads do have richer and warmer tone and can be amplified so much more than they used to. I see concert toms used without bottom heads in a school band percussion section and in an orchestra percussion setting used for special effect.
@the6ig6adwolf
@the6ig6adwolf 8 жыл бұрын
pretty sure Taylor Hawkins uses a couple Gretsch concert toms on his setup
@michaelengle9062
@michaelengle9062 8 жыл бұрын
he does. Mike Portnoy , Christian Eigner and a few other drummers have started using them lately too.
@DethronerX
@DethronerX Жыл бұрын
What do you call those tiny diameter toms that are the highest and have been used in early thrash/death bands... like Sepultura demo, mostly used as the starting in a roll or intro. Theyre probably cylinder shaped
@RainMakeR_Workshop
@RainMakeR_Workshop 10 ай бұрын
One thing I've been curious about lately... What if you used mesh head for the reso side? Would you get a sort of "inbetween" sound? Or would it just sound like one or the other? Also could you use it to have a loud kit for rehearsal and gigs, and then use the mesh side for quiet practice?
@BonesyTucson
@BonesyTucson Жыл бұрын
I think I like the sound of concert toms better! Not that I can tell much difference. I'm thankful for folks with better ears than me!
@TheReviewKing909
@TheReviewKing909 7 жыл бұрын
Love the concert tom sound. I didn't know Holy Diver was recorded with them. Great Album.
@romanlara9123
@romanlara9123 6 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE CONGRATULATED BY CHANNEL, AND SPECTACULAR SOUND.
@MIDNITEHELLION
@MIDNITEHELLION 6 жыл бұрын
What tension do you use for the concert tom resonant heads, and how did you cut the head itself? Also, what size do you cut it down to? I've wanted to try this setup on my '82 Imperialstars for quite some time. I have a 15" traditional concert tom (lugs on one side only) and the rest are power toms (10/12/13/14), and wanted to see how the extra bit of resonant head compares to the complete openness of the concert tom with the Mahogany shells.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
They are not really tuned, just tightened so they keep the bottom rim in place. Make the hole as big as you basically can, so there's very little resonant head left. I assume that if the shells are the same, there isn't a noticeable difference in sound with "real" concert toms and these DIY converted concert toms.
@MIDNITEHELLION
@MIDNITEHELLION 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. There's definitely a difference with having the partial resonant head than having a full-open bottom, as the semi-concert tom still retains some of the warmth that full-on concert toms lack. Definitely going to give this a try one of these days with my Imperialstars and maybe even with my Starclassics.
@mathias841
@mathias841 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and playing. I think i'm gonna have to try it tho, to really find how it affects the sound.
@paulaskidmore2767
@paulaskidmore2767 6 жыл бұрын
When using concert toms you usually put the mic underneath the drum pointing inside the drum rather than how you mic it here which is how you mic a double head drum, as it doesn't get the best tone from the drum and accentuates the overtones.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
I also tried to mic the concert toms from underneath, and thought this method got a better sound. I should make a video of different micing methods for concert toms.
@timbrown57
@timbrown57 6 жыл бұрын
You've got it backwards. Mic'ing inside the drum gives you less usable low end, and a heavy midrange-y sound that has to be eq'd out. You get much better sound mic'd the top of the drum.
@MrMetalclay
@MrMetalclay 6 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in Gar Samuelsons tom set-up when Megadeth recorded Killing is My business. I also went and looked up Lars Ulrich setup from the 80s no bottom heads and the mic were inside the toms. Great Video.
@timbrown57
@timbrown57 6 жыл бұрын
That's the way they did it back then. They mic'ed inside each drum for isolation because most semi-pro/low level sound providers didn't have noise gates or, if they did have them, they either had really shitty ones, or had no idea how to set them up and use them.
@No_Transitory
@No_Transitory 6 жыл бұрын
I never knew about this "concert tom" concept until this video.. I've played in middle school jazz, symphonic band, played a summer at FAMU's drum camp (hardest thing I ever did) played all through highschool as a percussionist/pocket player. I've played at churches, garage bands that only got us shows at Jack Rabbits, Freebird, few places down south "Johnny Rockin Bistro", etc... did 3 high school band competitions (like our little rock band vs someone else who had a band but the songs had to be clean) not one person ever out of all my times around drums have introduced me to such beauty by chaos. Lol But seriously how's the bottom done? Do you butcher your resonant head and cut a circle? Certainly the tension rods wouldnt be able to push the rim all the way down and would probably make a rattle sound... it looked like your drum had an inner wooden hoop so can these only be done on older drums? I've very curious to know because I think the concert version sounded way way better and I'm re-doing my drums (wraps, lugs, nylon washers or rubber washers on tensioner, using dowels and a piece of basswood to fill up my Mapex V mount hole... my drum doesnt sound so beautiful as that... but after just swapping the drum head to a evans ec2 before all the crazy ideas of removing hardware and wraps.. I know this thing just needs some TLC and it will sound amazing. (Yes I'm documenting each step be it triumph or failure) anyways thanks for posting this... I loved it
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
Resonant head is not needed at all in a concert tom (and "proper" concert toms don't even have lugs for it). It's hear only for protection of the tom edge, and so that I don't loose the screws and rims. I use some old Pinstripes and cut the head from where the black ring is. Evans EC2 is a nice head for fat toms sound.
@timbrown57
@timbrown57 6 жыл бұрын
They would just take a pinstripe and cut along the circular pinstripe on the head. There is no "oil" inside the pinstripe, although that myth has been around forever. I live in Jax myself. When we were younger, Brent Smedley used to cut the bottom heads out and mic'd them, but it looked like he used black dot heads, and cut the dot out. and stuck the mic inside the drum... so it still had most of the head for some resonance.
@mrhyde2250
@mrhyde2250 8 жыл бұрын
Can you tell us about your home studio setup? Interface, preamps, mica? Than you!
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 8 жыл бұрын
Nothing spectacular. Sennheiser E602 on bass drum, Audix i5 & Beyerdynamic Opus 87 on snare, Shure PG56 on toms, PG81 on overheads, T.Bone EM700 (very good for the price!) on hihat & ride. Tascam US series USB audio interface, with 8x built in preamps. I will update the gear gradually.
@mrhyde2250
@mrhyde2250 8 жыл бұрын
Janne Väätäinen thank you, and great work Sir!
@braydenchastain2002
@braydenchastain2002 Жыл бұрын
Definitely gonna give the concert toms a try!
@yanosiussabtiadi3473
@yanosiussabtiadi3473 7 жыл бұрын
regular with double headed all the way! how can i get that snare's tune? and the toms? thanks
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
Yanosius Sabtiadi I've made a video about my snare adjustments, so check it out! With toms, I tune batter heads slightly higher than the bottom heads.
@yanosiussabtiadi3473
@yanosiussabtiadi3473 7 жыл бұрын
+Janne Väätäinen thanks man.. :D
@gelanmix
@gelanmix 4 жыл бұрын
Both sounds good
@jamesfranklin8269
@jamesfranklin8269 6 жыл бұрын
I'm going back to the consert Tom's for awhile cutting the bottom head out like a circle in the Bottom center of the rack Tom's
@lovecraftmusic8717
@lovecraftmusic8717 4 жыл бұрын
I really preferred the concert tom version: much more clear and defined sound...you can distinguish one tom from another, unlikely when there are the reso heads on. In this last case the bass is too much and covers the attack (especially with pinstripes that I only like on snare) If you wanted a more particular flavor you could have miced up the concert toms from inside. I think that is the best way to get that signature vintage sound like Maiden and early Sepultura did.
@betulaobscura
@betulaobscura 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@GoblinsOfFarmington
@GoblinsOfFarmington Жыл бұрын
my drumset basically only has a concert tom because when I got it the bottom head and hoop were gone and I really like how it sounds
@michaelhembree4167
@michaelhembree4167 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds great
@TheMatsterx
@TheMatsterx 6 жыл бұрын
I just took off the reso head, the rims and lugs and it sounds killer. Do you actually have to change the cut out reso head once in a while? Would it be better with the cut out head to not damage the wood?
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
Good to hear! The cut out reso head is just to protect the bearing edge, and you also won't loose the hardware.
@jonseay8887
@jonseay8887 2 жыл бұрын
What heads were using it for the batter side?
@ruytobarm
@ruytobarm 8 жыл бұрын
How did you get that phat snare? Goddamn that is nice
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 8 жыл бұрын
Hah, thanks! I like my snare to be fat and moist. My snare is Tama vintage Superstar birch 14x6,5", with clear Emperor head and medium low tuning. Works well!
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 8 жыл бұрын
Oh, and the snare mic is Audix i5. I don't remember if I used a bottom mic or not, but if I did, it was Beyerdynamic Opus 87.
@DonChul
@DonChul 4 жыл бұрын
whouw dude, your drums sound absolutely sick! may i ask what microphones you use and how you get your bassdrum to sound sooo "meaty"?
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 4 жыл бұрын
It's a good bass drum. :) The kick mic is Sennheiser E602, which also helps. Tom mics and overheads are Shure PG series cheapo mics, and the snare mic is Audix i5.
@DonChul
@DonChul 4 жыл бұрын
@@jannevaatainen i got my hands on a birch/bubinga starclassic kit a few months back. the 24x18 kick with a remo powersonic on sounds absolutely the way i want it to be, but i can't seem to capture it with my microphone. i'm thinking about building my own subkick to get more of those lows.
@jamessealy9510
@jamessealy9510 2 жыл бұрын
When i got my first kit, i didnt like the sound of reso heads (granted i didnt get the kit tuned). The sustain just seemed weird so i took the resos off and now i like how i just hit the tom, get a quick sound and its gone.
@andrewmurphy5310
@andrewmurphy5310 4 жыл бұрын
That bass drum sounds so good.
@kwihan7262
@kwihan7262 7 жыл бұрын
Some time ago I removed the resonant heads from my drumset , even the bassdrum, and the snare, too! Just joking about the snare :P... Once I saw videos of Peter Criss and John Densmore playing without the resonants heads, so I decided to give it a try. Didn't go back. I use a fusion kit and a 10" snare, and I play mostly rock, indie, electro-rock and funk, so this kind of set works well for me. Thanks for the comparison.
@joegaspari8153
@joegaspari8153 8 жыл бұрын
Nigel Olsen, drummer for Elton John used batter head-only toms in the early days. He must have muffled the heck out of them because they had a dry, non resonating sound to them, not bad though. And his snare would "thud", not "crack".
@jenniferanne4143
@jenniferanne4143 8 жыл бұрын
Ludwig Vistalite concert toms are the best I've ever heard.... my opinion. Not sure if it's because they are concert toms or maybe because they are made of plastic... But those are the best sounding toms to me. They have such a big heavy deep sound...
@Lashazior
@Lashazior 6 жыл бұрын
What hardware are you using to get your toms mounted at those angles? It doesn't look like a rack setup and more of a stand setup.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 6 жыл бұрын
It's just early 80's Tama tom mounts on bass drums. The 10" tom is on a stand. I think it's propably the maximum angle you can put these on. ;) The memory locks are mandatory, so they stay in place. I now have also a 15" rack tom, and that weights quite a lot, and just barely holds it's place. 80's hardware were sturdy.
@robrobitaille1260
@robrobitaille1260 6 жыл бұрын
Cool video, thanks
@benjaminthiel1628
@benjaminthiel1628 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Janne! Love your drumming!!! Do you play rimshots, when playing Backbeats on your snare? All the best!!
@loganswank52
@loganswank52 8 жыл бұрын
wow you are a very good drummer your style reminds me of Niko Mcbrain
@TronciM
@TronciM 6 жыл бұрын
Logan Swank nicko is so good
@MrRezRising
@MrRezRising 3 жыл бұрын
And the hair and 'stache are all 70s Peart.
@cupemptyjonas
@cupemptyjonas 7 жыл бұрын
Kiitoksia paljon. I wonder why concert toms fell out of fashion. Maybe to give more attack prominence to kick and snare? Robert Ricci I agree the snare is so 80s, I realise the snare (clear head) drone that might have been noise-gated out of so many recordings. Brings Igor Cavalera to mind (Sepultura). Did he use clear snare heads?
@javierjakal
@javierjakal 5 жыл бұрын
Tama, paiste and remo, i also use the same. Good drum set!
@RabidGerry
@RabidGerry 7 жыл бұрын
I am actually currently thinking about recording my bands drummer using concert toms, and naturally I found your video. Awesome video man. No one may do this technique anymore, but who cares about what people do today right? Music I listen to was created using lots of techniques no body uses anymore but if I want older metal sounds then this is the way to go! Can you tell me exactly how you've tuned your kit? To what notes? Also the snare and how that is tuned? Your kit sounds incredible so this is why I want to know. I think the concert toms sound good. You should have made a video with how they sound mic'd from the inside, even just to let people hear the difference. I think I will try miking from the inside, a guide I was given states position mic between the centre and the shell, and then inside about a third of the way. Hopefully works out for me. Need to buy more mics stands now! Great video btw
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
I didn't check the notes. The tuning here is quite low for a concert tom, you can tune them higher with even more old school sound. They are VERY easy to tune! I've made a video about how I get my snare sound. I have tried micing the toms from inside, but the sound was really weird, like a basketball. Of course bleed was almost nonexistent, but I didn't like the sound.
@RabidGerry
@RabidGerry 7 жыл бұрын
Hmmm that's strange cause I've only ever seen concert toms mic'd from the inside. I guess there is no harm in trying it.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, of course, you should try it yourself. I think at least in the studio, they mic'd them from outside too, as I don't hear that basketball sound in studio albums.
@RabidGerry
@RabidGerry 7 жыл бұрын
I will try it both ways. Why do you think when used live they didn't get the basketball sound? We've all seen it done that way and not heard any basketballs? Must be some trick to nailing it???? Oh well I'll just have to try it out.
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
Report about your experiment when you're done. ;)
@kentuckychromedesign
@kentuckychromedesign 6 жыл бұрын
Dat snare! Goddamn!
@LDdrums20
@LDdrums20 2 жыл бұрын
Are you 70's vinnie? Great drumming by the way
@Musicalistervinyl
@Musicalistervinyl 3 жыл бұрын
Me recordó a un gran baterista chileno del grupo Tumulto, Robinson Campos. Saludos desde Santiago de Chile
@arrowintheknee9956
@arrowintheknee9956 10 ай бұрын
Listen, you can't fool me, I know you're a genius! I've just listened to your Häive album "Iätön" 👍👍👍
@jerryrudd4723
@jerryrudd4723 8 жыл бұрын
How do you get the snare drum to sound like that???
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 8 жыл бұрын
I will propably make a video about it somewhere in the not too distant future, because you're not first to ask! :) In a nutshell: Rather low tuning, deep birch snare, thick clear head (CS, Emperor, Pinstripe), Puresound snare wires, and a small piece of moongel. If you have Tama Tension Watch, the tuning is bottom: 70, batter: 73-75.
@johncollins5552
@johncollins5552 7 жыл бұрын
Janne Väätäinen good work.
@johncollins5552
@johncollins5552 7 жыл бұрын
Janne Väätäinen good work.
@1realwild
@1realwild 3 жыл бұрын
Still use concert toms now 😊
@frankcunnigham220
@frankcunnigham220 9 ай бұрын
I like both.
@Mickey-qq3dg
@Mickey-qq3dg 3 жыл бұрын
Great informative video.Thank you.Same size kit as mine.Double skin does sound better overall I think. Take care
@pdxfunk
@pdxfunk 7 жыл бұрын
Your accent is awesome. Reminds me of one of the dudes on Metalpocolypse.
@bibop969
@bibop969 4 жыл бұрын
what is that tuning aid u use?
@roybeckerman9253
@roybeckerman9253 6 жыл бұрын
The concert toms actually sounded better, surprisingly.
@erictorres4889
@erictorres4889 5 жыл бұрын
Roy Beckerman that’s why I play bigger toms because they do sound better .I don’t care for theses newer drums with smaller toms I love the concert power toms .
@potassiumchloride2542
@potassiumchloride2542 4 жыл бұрын
Not really, is just completely different stuff, is like comparing winter tyre with normal tyre
@lovecraftmusic8717
@lovecraftmusic8717 4 жыл бұрын
Not so surprisingly... They sound much more clear and defined. Way better.
@indramukti3305
@indramukti3305 7 жыл бұрын
About Bass Drum please
@itolo
@itolo 7 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@kridedrummer
@kridedrummer 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think concert toms sound pretty cool. Actually Ville Kela (I think you know he is the drummer of Anssi Kela as you seem to be a Finn too) uses concert toms nowadays. Also Taylor Hawkins uses a few, and Dominic Howard has one too :)
@donaldray6161
@donaldray6161 5 жыл бұрын
LOL, Why the mic. You have to mic them every time you do something with them. Please
@margovallen
@margovallen 4 жыл бұрын
I prefer the sound of single-headed toms. And you are suppose to mic them from the bottom. Great playing and video.
@alanduncan1980
@alanduncan1980 7 жыл бұрын
Very Billy Cobham. Nice sound! I like concert toms.
@detentionroompunishment5491
@detentionroompunishment5491 3 жыл бұрын
I love your voice and accent
@rihirdo
@rihirdo 7 жыл бұрын
what head do you have on the snare ? it sounds awesome .
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
In this video, it's clear Remo Emperor. You can have a fat sound with 2ply head. I use clear Emperor, Pinstripe and Controlled Sound on snare.
@rihirdo
@rihirdo 7 жыл бұрын
ah ok thanks very much for the reply, very good playing man
@jacobm92
@jacobm92 7 жыл бұрын
what kind of anarchist uses clear snare heads?
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly! It's the same that with concert toms. They were used back in the day, but almost no one uses them anymore (on snare). I tried, and liked it. Also they look nice. 8)
@illusionclassicrock6742
@illusionclassicrock6742 3 жыл бұрын
Concert Tom’s have more of a “doom“ sound. Definitely a classic rock and metal sound.
@betulaobscura
@betulaobscura 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@Hreodrich
@Hreodrich 5 жыл бұрын
If you ever feel like selling that 10” Swingstar Tom please let me know. I’d gladly purchase it from you.
@he8082
@he8082 7 жыл бұрын
This is just a test of medium tensioned mids. People tune concert toms higher so they "crack" through the din. Phil C and Neil P used higher concert toms in ways close toms do not project. The mid sized toms are better served with two heads.
@MultiSkyman1
@MultiSkyman1 5 жыл бұрын
Finland?
@Joko515
@Joko515 7 жыл бұрын
everything in this video looks like came straight from the 80s, the mustache makes it.
@ralphbenites1312
@ralphbenites1312 4 жыл бұрын
Concert tom’s sounds big & more open tones if you’re going for the 70’s rock sound ether way. What ever sounds good 🥁
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