ConChair Reacts to Internet Historian: Dashcon Vtuber Reaction

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@jeremystobingham2362 9 ай бұрын

While your experience as an event organizer does reveal much more nuance in the Dashcon story, I feel your aim to try and be super good-faith towards the event organizers drifted a little into willful ignorance. Under no circumstance should the organizers have *lied* about how much money they had _or_ should they have pocketed so much money when they still owed the hotel.

@chelzorthedestroyer 8 ай бұрын

Well, I run conventions for a living. I know for a fact that first-year conventions can make you lose tons of money. Heck, I had just started a brand new first-year convention and lost a bunch of money (planned), for the event, hoping for it to grow into a profit soon. I hear people wanting to run their own show all the time, and they have hopes of turning a profit right away. So I'm very sympathetic towards people being in over their heads. Of course, I can't know anyone's intentions, but I know it could just as easily be incompetence over maliciousness.

@GameMastersKip 10 ай бұрын

I ran a little convention in Duluth MN a few years ago - just sort of general gaming. It was so tremedously stressful and i still think about it sometimes, what I could have done better... Then I watch this and the Rainfurrest video and realize it could have been a whole helluvalot worse.

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

I have run 3 conventions. 1 very successful, One brand new (this year), and 1 we let end a long while back as it wasn't very viable.

@dimetime35c 3 ай бұрын

Big props to you for doing that especially in Duluth. That's a relatively small scene. If you do it again as long as you BAN furries you'll nope have to worry about a rainfurriest situation.

@pacificace20 11 ай бұрын

It's interesting to hear this from the point of view of someone with experience organizing cons.

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

Been Doing it for 15+ Years! lol

@jdogzerosilverblade299 Ай бұрын

this sounds suspicious out of context XD

@zunderdod24 11 ай бұрын

You should check out the Dashcon Q&A internet historian made. He goes into more depth there. Your perspective on conventions is very interesting.

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

I'll try to keep my eye out for it, but by the time that comes around (I got a bit of a backlog of videos), I'll be in my new model, lol.

@natemadill2390 10 ай бұрын

The first Minecon was held in a park and was mostly devs and Notches close friends and family

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

Aww, I feel like I kind of heard about that at some point.

@BakaKaitoKun 10 ай бұрын

I love this reaction! The loads of commentary, especially from an experienced con organizer, added such an interesting perspective. Great video!

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

Aww, thank you! It's my main job. I love your Avatar!

@BakaKaitoKun 10 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer ah shucks, that’s kind of you to say! My avatar is actually a PFP you could unlock in a now defunct vocaloid gacha game. It’s my rare treasure :3

@Painkiller040 11 ай бұрын

I hope you react to more Internet Historian videos, your reactions are so fun!!!

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

Oh, Thank you. I'll consider it!

@DemelicosHelsaint 4 ай бұрын

"In front of 5000 people" I mean, he is an organizer, he should know they haven't hit 5k in ticket sales for 5k people to be in the room...

@chelzorthedestroyer 4 ай бұрын

I'm an organizer and I am horrible at telling. And if he doesn't have a good system (like ones you pay for) there is no easy way to know how many tickets sales happened until you physically count them. (Which after the opening of a con, is impossible)

@Skyte100 2 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer Well if they had sales they'd be able to pay their bill lol.

@Juhno 10 ай бұрын

Internet Historian (he has many channels) stuff is react gold.

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

He is very entertaining.

@reilen4359 11 ай бұрын

Memories of Young baby Kami-Con

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

We bringing out the big guns, concerts, and guests these days.

@bulbasaur15 11 ай бұрын

# 0001 Let's all pay our respecs to the poor ball pit who had to deal with the shenanigans of Dashcon, including some nasty person's pee. o7

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

A ballpit was a classic cosplay for that time, lol.

@castform57 5 ай бұрын

15:17 a neat little story on the internet thing. While I haven't worked for a convention or hotel, I have been a part of the network infrastructure team on 2 fairly big sporting events. These were part of our university course projects for network engineering, because the venue had a deal with our university. On the second year I was in it, we (about 5 people) were the main team doing all the work before, during, and after the event. Because it's a sporting event, there are a bunch of reporters and TV stations present, who all need internet. The only thing we charged money for was full gigabit LAN connections, because the work involved was like 2 commands total, which almost nobody bought, because our free wireless option was so good that everyone could use it without problems. In a hotel or convention center there is a whole lot more work involved on the infrastructure side, so I guess they can just squeeze as much money for every minor thing possible.

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

Ok, but man. Some places charge $25,000 for each ethernet connection (no routers allowed). Respectfully, that's a bit much. (I get charged around $500 for each and it's still so much. You bring 100 computers, you pay $50,000 to plug them in if you don't have a work around).

@EpicAlex9 5 ай бұрын

I think the risky part was doing a verbal agreement and not getting it in writing, its harder to enforce payment on a verbal contract than a written one

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

Oh people promise you the world verbally.

@TheDetractorMoose 9 ай бұрын

man you were glazing these organizers from the clear scamming. the follow up really shows the scam and answers more questions, so it felt weird hearing the glaze marathon. i get the whole best faith interpretation you’re trying but they very clearly lied about so much that it couldn’t be just them being “silly first timers” these were very carefully crafted lies and scams. still liked you trying to be nice about it.

@chelzorthedestroyer 8 ай бұрын

@koki84ji7 8 ай бұрын

You don't have to be sympathetic towards scamming, tho even if they intended to do what you do

@AndrewChumKaser 2 ай бұрын

"They say dress for the job you want." Fucking legend.

@chelzorthedestroyer 2 ай бұрын

Oof

@InquisitorAstelon 5 ай бұрын

"Most people don't get off work..." It's a Tumblr convention. You think these people have jobs? lol

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

I mean you want a joke answer or a real answer? Cause as a con organizer, being aware of school and work hours is important. Lol

@skootmeister3994 7 ай бұрын

You think this was crazy, wait till you hear about RainFurrest… and that won’t prepare you for Fire Festival.

@chelzorthedestroyer 7 ай бұрын

I'm pretty aware of Fyre Festival lol.

@skootmeister3994 7 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer Ahhh, then you know. Some crazy shit, Ho boy.

@JumpierNewt8956 5 ай бұрын

5:30 A community that is all about inclusiveness and representation meets Mark for the first time in person and immediately calls him a straight white male and sends him death threats. I guess they were thinking that he didn't act gay or look hispanic enough to believe him. A sad piece of irony.

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

It does indeed suck when hate permieates through a community.

@spiritbx1337 2 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer A lot of 'inclusive' communities are hate filled similar to that though. So many moron think 'diversity' means having mostly or all black people.Just look at all the people saying that Black Panther was 'diverse' despite/because they had a mostly black cast. Real diversity is fine, but evil will pretend to be good in order to spread, and so will bad people.

@rarinrecruit3150 10 ай бұрын

Hearing this from someone who is experienced in organizing cons, I would also love to hear her takes on both of Internet Historian’s videos of Raiding Area 51 and the Fyre Festival (if that’s how it’s spelled)

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

I'll have to see in the future, lol.

@jjkcharlie 11 ай бұрын

About time. More internet historian, please?

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

About time? It's my first Internet Historian, lol.

@jjkcharlie 11 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer I'm jiving.

@pvtread5207 25 күн бұрын

"First year cons don't make money" THEY DO IF RUN RIGHT! Babscon is a perfect example. First year con in 2014 and sure there were a few small things; i should know as i handled for one of the DJS and was behind the scenes. However it went off without a hitch came back in 2015 and is still going strong. Now Unicon...........yea..don't trust druggies to run a con

@chelzorthedestroyer 24 күн бұрын

Going off without a hitch doesn't really mean it "made money". People expect to start a convention and rake in the big bucks.

@Brainhorn 10 ай бұрын

13:33 My friend says "go ahead" a lot. Like "go ahead and turn right" or "I'm gonna go ahead and go to bed". Pretty much any time you could use it in a sentence, he does My sister is the one who says "like" lol

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

Haha, we all have little vernacular ticks I guess.

@JestersCourt1 11 ай бұрын

I remember this all too well lol. I think I was at a convention as well when this happened.

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

Oh neat, we might have been at the same one. Could only be so many big ones going on at the same time. I don't remember which one I was at though, haha.

@JestersCourt1 11 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer I was thinking the same thing. We most likely were lol.

@Adi-kf6bq 10 ай бұрын

Honestly i don't feel bad for first year conventions. If you plan on creating a convention you should at least know the basics. You don't expect thousands of people in a first year event and you also should know that you will have to pay for the stuff you want at your convention. That clearly should show any half smart person that you should have the money needed without earning any money from the convention

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

Yea, but many first-years back then were complete amateurs. We made mine as college students. You get an ordinary person, with a minimum wage job, trying to create something big, and many are going to miss the mark.

@A_real_Ha_So 10 ай бұрын

So this "Nightvale" was basically a radio program more or less then? I actually got to listen to a video about one of the organizers for this. Very interesting takes about all involved. I wish i could remember the title.

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

Yea, I never got into them, but they were extremely popular back in the day.

@dairoleon2682 4 ай бұрын

Holy shit. All this time, I thought DashCon was a Brony convention. I need to rethink my life. That said, I wonder if you feel the same way watching these as I do as a former aircraft mechanic watching... *anything* coming out of Boeing in the past few years.

@chelzorthedestroyer 4 ай бұрын

It indeed was not a brony convention lol. Haha, no cause I understand that cons are often started by amateurs.

@johnokland1652 10 ай бұрын

So your allowed to pay yourself but basically by doing shady things like having outstanding bills not paying guests and talents lying how much money you have and e begging for more to cover your bill cause you fucked up and didn't expect to loose money on a business venture and then 9k extra that was supposedly promised to charity not as part of the event but the run off from crowd funding just ends up in your bank account those are not good optics

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

I mean, I'm not defending them shutting down. I'm just going easy on them since I know how hard starting a con can be, and how inexperienced they must have been.

@johnokland1652 10 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer id feel different if like they sincerely like tried to make it happen and didn't understand but the fact that they just kinda lied about available finances and begged there way halfway across the finish line while simultaneously pocketing 9k they promised to charity kinda makes me feel less favorite and more burry them under the prison I get don't attribute to malice what can be tributed to stupidity and ignorance but when you screw up and then just pocket every cent you can find in the couch cushions and bolting over fixing your mistakes it shows something in your character or business practices

@throwaway4553 4 ай бұрын

12:00 Something small in an affordable place to start with (and returning to the theme of podcasts): Years ago Jesse Cox (of the since defunct Co-Optional Podcast, RIP TB) literally said he did his convention "CoxCon" where they did it (a small town in England) because it was affordable as opposed to e.g. London.

@chelzorthedestroyer 4 ай бұрын

Oh, I think I kind of remember that fiasco a little bit.

@throwaway4553 4 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer IIRC it was a pretty successful convention. I stopped watching the Co-Optional podcast a few episodes after TB passed away in 2018 and almost entirely stopped following any of the old crew so I don't really have any knowledge of their then-circumstances. But what I could find out just now is that the last CoxCon was in 2019, it didn't happen during Covid and was simply not resumed afterwards (Twitter acc and subreddit silent since 2020, website gone etc).

@samzorn4656 5 ай бұрын

Found the original name for DashCon: Tumbl-Con USA. Given how much of a crapshow DashCon turned out to be, it's pretty funny (at least to me) how the creators expected this to be some sort of international convention franchise or something, according to the con's original name. However, compared to Rainfurrest and Fyre Festival, DashCon is a utopia.

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

I remembered it was setting itself up to be a massive event, All of Tumblr had its eyes on it, but I suppose not many actually went.

@Mbeluba 5 ай бұрын

I am fascinated by differences between European and American conventions. I live in Poland, we do conventions located in schools, people sleep on the floor of classrooms, main point of convention are talks, lectures, rpg sessions and short chamber larps made by attendees for attendees. Meetings with large authors or merchandise is an afterthought. Alternatively, our cons happen entirely outdoors, people sleep in tents. Its similar in Germany, France, Nordic countries. It's more close-knit, focused on the attendees, hippy-like. Meanwhile, American cons look very commercial, focused on consumption. Obviously there are larger cons that are more similar to American ones, like Pyrcon. But mostly, we do events of 100-400 people with very loose structure and with expectation attendees are also creators of the event. You're an organiser of American cons, have you seen smaller, more exclusive, less polished cons like I described? I would love to hear some more about your scene and how it differs from European scene

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

I've been to many cons in libraries, schools, etc. They are lovely events. My show has big concerts, arcades, dodgeball, contests, tournaments, etc. Lol. We built up a lot for our show to be a bit more wild.

@deandre6555 10 ай бұрын

Your insight was incredibly interesting, great video

@chelzorthedestroyer 10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Cons are my job after all ^_^.

@ashenblood 8 ай бұрын

Watch (or listen) to Distractible then, it's pretty fun, just 3 friends talking about whatever they could think of, some times they have actual plans for an episode (like a theme or something) and other times they're just talking about whatever.

@chelzorthedestroyer 8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what that is, but I'll have people look into it for me ^_^

@gabrielramos7716 2 ай бұрын

some woman made a new video and spoke with organizer, A LOT of new information!

@chelzorthedestroyer 2 ай бұрын

Very solid to hear. I'm sure that would inform us a lot about intent.

@piisawsom1 2 күн бұрын

I remember going to Kami-con around 2014 or 2015 at the BJCC with my brother who had gone the previous year. I remember it being a very fun day as we had only decided to attend Saturday but I cant really remember any details. I might try and convince him to go with me this year though and possibly also attend the Huntsville invasion if you do plan to continue that in 2025 as I now live almost dead center between the 2 cities.

@munchmandrifta Ай бұрын

Ye need to watch the Q and A for this episode, there was a lot of other BS and shenanigans, like they spent a ton of the money on expensive business dinners.

@Reppnek 2 ай бұрын

Wait wait wait ... Is that a picture of Zone-Tan in the background? Looks like we have a connoisseur of spicy "fan art" here 😂 I swear, every video I watch I find something crazy in the background 😂

@bthsr7113 4 ай бұрын

I went to a first year convention that was actually pretty nice. Then the second year was overcrowded and mishandled.

@chelzorthedestroyer 4 ай бұрын

Oh, well that could happen, if the second year gets a huge spike in numbers. That just means the con has some growing pains. Hopefully they expand and learn from it.

@Alte.Kameraden 5 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the how dysfunction the Spartacus Communist were in 1919. 😂

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

That is such a reach, haha. Thank you for your service.

@Alte.Kameraden 5 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer being Rosa was against the concept of planning and irrational.. fits well. If she was alive she'd likely sound like the camera man who wouldn't shut up about Palestinian and Israel. Lol

@grizbearington7061 5 ай бұрын

I loved Welcome to Nightvale, but I binged it well after it first dropped so it was a bit easier on the ears. Wouldn't have attended a con to have a live show for it.

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

It was a big deal back that, for what I remember

@dubuyajay9964 8 ай бұрын

Will you react to the Glasgow Willy Wonka Experience?

@chelzorthedestroyer 8 ай бұрын

Did Internet Historian do a video on it? I'll have to see ^_^

@dubuyajay9964 8 ай бұрын

@chelzorthedestroyer Not yet. No shortage of vids from other ppl though.

@jjkcharlie 11 ай бұрын

Teasing.

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

OHHHH

@Dalie_Tern 5 ай бұрын

7:21 that sounds like a radio drama but on the internet.

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

I mean radio style podcasts are a big thing now. Making a comeback.

@therogueadmiral 11 күн бұрын

She is way too generous to these people. At best, they're guilty of being morons.

@mr.ilikespam6081 7 ай бұрын

Its weird how before dashcon, the previous year had mlp con that was pretty similar to this called Las Pegasus Unicon and both fandoms were considered jokes by alot of people the only difference was it didnt have a ball pit so it was forgotten.

@chelzorthedestroyer 7 ай бұрын

Man the MLP cons made it rough to try and book those VA's and creators for a while. I feel they got jaded from those events. Got direct rejection emails of "so and so will not be attending any MLP, Anime, or Fan conventions." during that time period.

@mr.ilikespam6081 7 ай бұрын

@@chelzorthedestroyer I'm surprised that the mlp cons didn't fail that often considering how many of them there was.

@pvtread5207 25 күн бұрын

LOL mlp staff despite unicon still go to cons. They even joke about unicon. It's all in the surrounding community tbh. If it's a chill "meh" fan base things get made into memes and joked about. The fire at Bronycon for example. Just after that the vendor hall were selling themed "fire sale" merchandise after the fire lol. No one of course was hurt and it was just a burning overhead fluorescent bulb

@ericbyo9472 5 ай бұрын

Sounds like you have personal bias

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

Or personal experience that allows me to empathize about things that could go wrong with an inexperienced group. Not saying they didn't do wrong, just that I can see amateurs getting into some deep shit without knowing what they are doing. I literally just had a new show last year that ended up costing $30,000 more than expected because of the venue.

@jjkcharlie 11 ай бұрын

Ok. You are so fun. Check out more of this guys stuff.

@chelzorthedestroyer 11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Haha, I'll be sure to.

@kobonoyo 6 ай бұрын

So like can you listen do DnD podcast?

@chelzorthedestroyer 6 ай бұрын

Can I listen to one? I imagine I could, though that isn't a particular hobby of mine.

@LWolf12 5 ай бұрын

Internet Historians early stuff was rather edgy. Then again, he's from a different country so words don't have the same meaning to him as they do here.

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

Yea, I had a reaction to some words, but I recall a time when it was more common as well. It's all good.

@jackjones5842 5 ай бұрын

It's nice to hear someone speaking optimistically with a taste of realistic expectations! Your positivity is refreshing. Thank you for your open mind.

@chelzorthedestroyer 5 ай бұрын

Haha, I don't normally get complimented on positivity. Thank you.

@RemnantAdvent 3 ай бұрын

Crazy how this person is making excuses for a bunch of scammers lmao, Tumblr "people" lul.

@chelzorthedestroyer 3 ай бұрын

I run conventions for a living, and I've seen a bunch of people get in way over their heads and flail to finacial failure, so I am sympathetic.

@Sizzlik 8 ай бұрын

So you were there, but at another convention, but inside the room of dashcon coin bag, but just seen it from outside..Anime Midwest was near there and eded a week before..no other conventions in illinois until 2 weeks after dashcon. So what convention you been at, liar?

@chelzorthedestroyer 8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if I understand what you are trying to say, but I think you are confused. I never said I was in Illinois. I said I was watching the drama go live on Tumblr while at another convention (probably one in Alabama, Georgia, or Florida). I don't really remember, but it's not that deep, for me to remember what I was doing in 2014 perfectly lol.