Concord Artist VS Korean Artist

[@TheTrollVtuber]

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[@renaissancenovice7202]

Rumble when?

[@dapperwolf6034]

Vee watch Gurren Lagann, it's only 27 episodes and it's peak and it's basically evangelion... But better

[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

your charcter had even more sex appeal hahahah

[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

They really like deceiving us to not automatically see man or woman in once body!

[@SaviorMachine84]

These Western "artists"will claim it's to make it more grounded in reality but in truth about 99% of the women I've come across in my life I've been able to immediately identify as female.

[@CrizzyEyes]

And yet weirdly they always have masculine posture, expressions, etc. Things that I rarely see women in real life doing. Yes, anime and manga art is melodramatic and aspirational, but so is thus "fixed" art. The aspiration is just different.

[@hawkmoon2690]

The dumb thing is that entertainment is supposed to be an escape from reality

[@ponjun3970]

They wanted to make females in media to look like those who WILL NEVER be females because they don't want to hurt their feelings.

[@GeneralProfessor]

There was never anything realistic about the so-called "socialist realism" art. It depicted a bunch of happy and prosperous workers and a bunch of kind and demi-god-ish rulers. Meanwhile in actual realistic reality the poor were starving and the rulers were selfish psychos.

[@j4nk3n]

Ah yes, reality in my cosmic space fantasy or ( insert genre here ) just what I want "ackshully we don't have the technology for lightspeed spaceships, gotta make it realistic"

[@Jbaquero98]

"Oversexualized" = she's prettier than me :(

[@neraslight4997]

Typically people who are less pretty would rather play a prettier version of themselves rather than one that looks *just like them* because like hey, most of us it makes us feel better and the ugly characters are when we’re messing around trying to laugh at something in the character creator……

[@bc9554]

Facts

[@night_fiend6]

It is weird that people are saying that Rei and Asuka are sexualised. I had some idiot say that their breasts were massive in the later picture. A b cup is pretty standard for teenagers of that age range, it is as if they never interacted with females in their teenage years.

[@sabishiihito]

@@night_fiend6 do these folks not know when girls start developing?? I knew girls in middle school that were objectively busty.

[@EJ_Red]

@night_fiend6 Not to mentioned they are supposed to be Japanese. IDK about you but every Asian I have met with body proportions similar to Rei or Asuka often have B cups, sometimes C.

[@teux01]

You are being really generous calling these tumbler refugees 'artists'

[@missilecarrier]

Back in the day they were correctly referred as "Autists"

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

No, they were called restarted without the s

[@lunaticyoshi1]

Yeah, they're not artist. They're activist. Contrary to popular belief, there are good artists in the West who know how to draw females. They're just being kept out of the industry.

[@thejohnbeck]

They are modern artists. Lol

[@jcf2103]

Light box kids and AI pilots. I'm pretty sure there isn't a single piece of original art on tumblr that wasn't traced or 're-imagined', in the past ten years.

[@tomtheconqerur]

Why do artists in the states now try to illustrate women as men?

[@Frank087]

Subverted by wokies to destroy everything considered normal.

[@gfdnnfnfgnfgn]

jews

[@HarenunHoppus]

@@gfdnnfnfgnfgn does that mean they are gay?

[@dmittleman9757]

They despise beauty because they can never achieve that perception of beauty within themselves. So instead they tear apart what is beautiful to reflect the ugliness that lies within.

[@bustergundo516]

Some artists. The majority know how to draw a woman.

[@Mika-Fresh]

Glory to the Korean artists. It’s well deserved. Shame to the American artists. -A Californian.

[@thistoxicguy7219]

Hear hear brother, from California as well, and I don't claim ugly art, as an artist myself, I like drawing my females cute and curvy.

[@TheMrToxin]

Chinese artists too, just look at Azur Lane for example. I'm supporting them both, while giving 0 time and money to the western ones, for years now.

[@missilecarrier]

Stay strong, fellow Californian.

[@sergpie]

Been a fan of Korean character design since the days of Magna Carta and War of Genesis, with the mythical Hyung Tae Kim. Absolutely some of the most beautiful, emotive, and sexy character designs. Master artist, in my opinion. I remember printing almost all of his character designs in high school some time in 2002, along with concept art from Spinefinger Designs, and taping them all over my room.

[@fatuusdottore]

There is no shame in simply having a different style. Art is about expressing yourself, after all, it isn't meant to please you or anyone else except the artist. But that goes both ways. The problem with things as they are now is that both sides are obsessed with shaming people for simply having preferences, though the Western side is definitely a lot more guilty of this. The side that prefers the Korean artists is usually more chill, it is rare to find someone like Vee who just wants to have ONE type of art and not the other, and thinks art exists to please anyone aside from the artist (it doesn't, and that kind of thinking is how we got "representation" and all that nonsense.) If someone wants to draw those CalArts things, let them do it. But if someone wants to draw in more of an anime style with fanservice and whatever else, ALSO let them do it. Trying to control artists one way or another is so pathetic, and political people need to just leave us alone.

[@terrykrugii5652]

I read this as "Con artist vs Korean Artist" Tbh not far off the mark

[@84C4]

I read it as "Trash Vs Japanese Artist"

[@abrahammesrajecorrea2349]

I don't see where the lie lies. It's true

[@zacksilverstone7642]

Wrong. Con artists would work extra hard to make their stuff look sellable. They will lie, they will cheat, and they'll force their stuff on you, but you literally can't do that if your stuff looks like shit. I should know. I've worked with/against con artists before. THAT thing isn't a con artists' product. That's an insult to con artist, period.

[@sik3xploit]

Their ideology is founded in socialist, so I'd say "con" is right on the mark.

[@terrykrugii5652]

@@zacksilverstone7642 they're still con artists of a kind. They managed to convince Soyny that publishing their woke product would make sales line go up. They got $100 million to produce this game, and 8 years of development time. If that's not the work of con artists, I struggle to understand WHAT it actually is, beyond worthless SHIT.

[@themurmeli88]

In their brain, the concept of a beautiful woman, has somehow been replaced with the average British man.

[@skootergirl22]

Why do you think they look like British men?

[@abrahammesrajecorrea2349]

Do not insult British men. They look better than whatever this is

[@tenedrae5079]

Bri"ish joke : Bri"ish food and Bri"ish womans made Brits best sailors

[@skootergirl22]

@@tenedrae5079 and the separation of brit and ish to mock one dailect of the accent not like America has a similar thing with different states

[@HermitGeek]

Oi, I resemble that remark, how dare you..!

[@LysergicKids]

There an American artist who went through the characters and made them hot. America has good artists. They're just not getting hired

[@thecompareablezombie]

Indeed

[@viruschris3160]

Yup, sadly.

[@KoeingseggCCM]

And trust me, it's deliberate.

[@daerovius7535]

"America has good artists" Nah...

[@nobodyspecial1699]

This is what happens when race and gender become a priority. Real talent gets overlooked on purpose

[@falcongamer58]

Like I said on Cyael's livestream. This art looks like those Tumblr/Art Fight types. They always draw tall faces with long noses no matter the character. It's not flattering

[@fatuusdottore]

Yeah it has that Tumblr style. I think it can work for some characters, usually male ones though, but on female characters IMO it looks awkward. Even so, if someone genuinely wanted to draw that, I wouldn't care. It's when they try to suppress any other expression of art or beauty that I have a problem.

[@CrizzyEyes]

They have male proportions. Women usually don't have a leg-to-torso ratio like that and even when they do, they usually have wider hips as a result.

[@oompalumpus699]

Slenderman-looking, Gakuen Handsome-imitating ahh type of design.

[@entropybear5847]

Why would they be trying to force the notion of long noses as being a beauty standard? 🤔 hmmmm...

[@latt.qcd9221]

Because most of them are made by women, and they're probably fujoshi to boot.

[@Treblaine]

"that's not a woman, that's a man, baby!" - Austin Powers.

[@ericbright1742]

"Well, you have to admit, she is rather mannish."

[@funkyweapon1981]

Oh, behave!

[@sherrykathman3309]

I should not have laughed that hard at this...

[@Acesahn]

That's a very generous American Artist take... they're still too attractive to be in modern games lol

[@faidzeelhisyamhattar2133]

Even Jabba the hut is less repulsive then them... I can't imagine how repulsive characters that's worthy for modern game... 😰

[@dylans0630]

😂

[@Joao-lw5pj]

nope, there isn't any attractiveness in that

[@Acesahn]

@@Joao-lw5pj You say that, but compare this art to Conchord characters XD They're beautiful side by side that!

[@OniGanon]

Yep. Hips and rear still too curved and identifiably female for western game dev.

[@The-Man-On-The-Mountain]

Them: "These are realistic women" Also them: "Dylan Mulvaney is a beautiful woman and men can get pregnant"

[@skootergirl22]

While men are oggled over

[@lobaoguara2332]

All sane people: We disagree with this and we always will.

[@BlueFireDrakka]

I find it really hypocritical when they go on about no you can't sexualize women, sexualization is bad yet ANYTIME you have a jacked and/or attractive dude, he will be shirtless for next to no fucking reason. that is sexualizing men for women if women can't be hot for men, then men shouldn't be hot for women, either everyone gets it or nobody gets it.

[@autobotstarscream765]

They're working on fucking that up too, termites work slowly and destroy one thing at a time.

[@herbderbler1585]

The double standard is absolutely on purpose. It's a power flex.

[@DMaster8686]

It's only bad unless it's OF. In that case if you say anything against the "model" you are an -ist according to the same people that would instantly shame you for liking the picture on the right instead of the horror they created on the left.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

Their 'sexualization of men' thing is mysandrist by intent. It's some marxist humilliation ritual thing for them.

[@lobaoguara2332]

@@BlueFireDrakka Now that's what I call justice.

[@Mhaakify]

"Pretty soon these weirdos will have no games to buy at all..." There are thousands upon thousands of games to buy at this point, I think we're fine for a while.

[@denkerbosu3551]

Yeah, we've been playing old games for a while.

[@Jokoko2828]

There's more good games left to play on older consoles than I'll be able to finish in a lifetime.

[@Noperare]

Me, looking at all the never played games in my STEAM library: I am okay with that

[@Mhaakify]

@@Noperare Same, I'm also still working on finishing the games in my library lol

[@mrdrybonestv]

Yeah, horror of horrors I’ll be able to save considerable amounts of money by not purchasing their crap.

[@Kat1kafka]

Even crazier how they keep saying their version is more "realistic" 😂

[@denkerbosu3551]

That's "their reality" it's how they see the world to feel less shit about they/themselves and don't become a statistic.

[@RambleOn07]

It's only 'realistic' if you exclusively spend time in the cesspools that cater to the sexually confused.

[@oompalumpus699]

Reality as defined by distorted minds. I'll stick with the hot "unrealistic" waifus.

[@aj.j5833]

Their version have body proportion of midg its.

[@wishuponamonkeyspaw2458]

Well, technically they're not wrong. I've never met a woman with literal anime face. Man face, on the other hand...

[@45noop]

It should be titled “Korean artists vs American LGBTQ propaganda”

[@rh906]

Even non rainbow coalition Yankee artists are garbage.

[@hassathunter2464]

So Korean vs American artist...

[@juggernautbob3840]

​@@hassathunter2464no, because the majority of the American population isn't lettuce garlic bacon tomato queens creepy depiction of what they think is normal.

[@gambitacio]

Pol Pot Reich you mean.

[@JamesWebb-x7f]

Hey buddy you didn't have to go that hard 😭​@@juggernautbob3840

[@Neil.02]

Making character designs boring and uninteresting on PURPOSE (except for story or art style reasons) is idiotic and goes against EVERYTHING fiction should be.

[@kuroyami9757]

You are saying that the original body paint style suit design is cool and interesting?

[@Datanimechick72]

I'm a woman and I like Rei's EVA plugsuit so much, that I have it everywhere, in real life, as a mod in many games too, currently i have it in the sims On my alien character, like that suit is actual peak

[@ProfessionalRacist007]

Based

[@KillerLuvsPie]

She is right tho. Pretty soon, we will have no games to buy, which means they will get no sales as well. That's how the crash in the 80s happened, there was nothing GOOD to buy. They try so hard to own gamers but always achieve to self own in the process

[@unnamed715]

I don't think there'll be a crash like in the 80's. Unlike the 80's we at least have indie games

[@t0m0d0m0]

The day we have no games to buy thus marks the day when gamers become gamemakers. Literally a "fine, I'll do it myself" moment.

[@RambleOn07]

The world is too big for it to matter. The AAAs are already flatlining. The globalists self owned themselves by opening up the global market.

[@oompalumpus699]

​@@t0m0d0m0 It's already happening. So many indie games are looking at the failures of AAA game devs to learn what they shouldn't do.

[@CrizzyEyes]

It will never happen again. In the 80s, Japanese games were unheard of and the cause of the crash was bad movie license games and Atari being one of the scummiest companies ever. Now Atari is insignificant, games are a global industry and anyone can make a game.

[@Snakedude4life]

“Tumblr art” has just become “Twitter art.” There are two types; > fugly > actually paid artist 🎩 🐍 no step on snek 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@mantis8856]

tumblr was always cringe/puke indulcing

[@FrostyMts]

Tan skin = black people on Twitter.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

Tumblr was the landfill of the internet. Its demise led to other sites being contaminated and Twitter is a prime example.

[@SterileNeutrino]

Why not both?

[@fatuusdottore]

Nah, there's a lot of amazing Twitter artists, they're just usually Japanese/Korean/Russian, lol.

[@reb3102]

I talked to someone that is a character artist and he said he would love to draw beautiful women, but he's not allowed to. He is given concepts and told to stick to them. He wants to stay employed so does what he's told. There's probably a lot more people like him than we realize.

[@OhCanadaGamer]

The irony being creating fugly characters isn't going to make the company money.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

@@OhCanadaGamer Funny that you still think they're trying to make money.

[@lobaoguara2332]

I recommend leaving before he loses his job in bankruptcy.

[@davidcrawford5324]

Yep they do what they are told to keep their jobs...but at the end of the day when the game doesn't sell well and the company has to close it's doors because they go bankrupt, they end up losing their jobs anyway. OR as in Ubisoft's case, if they are white men, they eventually get laid off and replaced by DEI hires.

[@EJ_Red]

I agree, you should convince him to leave before bankruptcy. What kind of company does he work in BTW? Gaming? Comics? Animation?

[@therealjaystone2344]

In western culture, ‘sex’ is a ‘sin’ because that’s corn

[@Killahurtz260]

It is only considered a sin if it appeals to straight men.

[@Frank087]

Only if it appeals to normal people. These are also the same people that glorify OF users and sex work.

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@Killahurtz260religious zealots had the last laugh decades later

[@HarenunHoppus]

@@Killahurtz260 even their gay stuff is detestable too, the lesbian stuff they have is of the not so great quality.

[@Kydino]

​@therealjaystone2344 Only after traditional relationships, family structure and dating were destroyed. We got the worst of both worlds.

[@Caursten]

So long as Western developers embrace the "Tumbler Artist" for creating their games, we will continue to see Concord and Dustborn sales numbers. And Korean, Japanese and Chinese game developers are going to reap all the rewards because they are giving us gamers what we want.

[@yellow1yellow121]

Jewish art style

[@jameslazaridis4180]

Nobody cares

[@skootergirl22]

Thank goodness you're here is a British game

[@LastTorgoInParis]

i pray you are correct. If Black Rock and those kind of places get their hands on the Eastern market then i could see them fall too. Its not about making money (It should be). Its about control over the culture and control over the narrative

[@zackcoggins9752]

Funnily enough, this parallels what American car developers did in the past. But instead of DEI they prioritized STP (short term profits).

[@charlescaulkins8306]

Shinji’s waifus deserve to look pretty

[@autobotstarscream765]

_Shinji_ is prettier than Concord Asuka! 🤣

[@Painfulldarksoul]

... But Misato wasn't in the image.

[@Painfulldarksoul]

@@autobotstarscream765 True.

[@ProfessionalRacist007]

I second that

[@Pukeprincess]

What nooo! His mother Rei deserves to look good too!

[@solarsirius]

This man is either going to steal the moon, or open a hotel. Can’t tell which, but it’s one of the two.

[@smithsmith1956]

Why not both? A hotel ON the moon.

[@solarsirius]

@@smithsmith1956 Sir, you’re a genius.

[@smithsmith1956]

@@solarsirius I have my moments.

[@Greg12839]

I do not say blah blah blah😡

[@fanis1414]

He's romanian so my bet's on the "stealing" angle.

[@TheMrToxin]

Proud to say, I support those exact same Korean artists (I play Nikke). I also support Brown Dust 2, Yostar, and other companies who give fans what they want. While giving $0 to the ones on the left of the picture. And I'll keep doing it for as long as Californyanya virus exists and is present everywhere.

[@yellow1yellow121]

Tumblr is the jewish art style

[@OptimalToast]

Brown Dust 2, don't hear that get mentioned much, an underrated game for sure.

[@RezaQin]

Azure Lane is a little cringe with the DDs but otherwise, they're pretty good. Concord (lmao) is a cringe ship too.

[@0x0404]

So this is what wokeness does to the mind. They are unable to see gender differences and react extremely repulsed by visions of extreme beauty at the same time

[@DavidFoxfire]

"Pretty soon these weirdos would have no games to buy at all..." And that is why MAME exists.

[@denkerbosu3551]

Or games older than 2016.

[@Arkastopheles]

Mame godd

[@frostreaper1607]

My PS2 and PS3 backlogs are laughing at these people 🤣

[@WildBandit300]

They laugh at you playing games. The concept of us playing old "outdated" games as a cope while they make 3 figures by producing easy and cheap content is exhilarating to them.

[@MrJay_White]

"MAME"?

[@DarkLiger]

I've been an EVA fan since it came out in the 90's. What in the absolute fuck is that garbage on the left? If Asuka (The girl in red) saw this. she'd be pissed to be drawn like that.

[@TheMenaceHimself2006]

As an EVA fan myself, man she would biatch slap tf outta the art that "artist'" was holding

[@cesarcampos8746]

not to mention it's now becoming taboo to like the eva girls in social media because now apparently you're a child molester if you like them, even though sadamoto clearly designed them to be super attractive, when I went into the eva fandom it was unanimous that all the main girls were cute

[@juggernautbob3840]

​@@cesarcampos8746"if you like a highly attractive drawing you're creepy" has got to be the most stupid, twisted, idiotic logic I've ever heard. I don't care if a fictional character is 6 months old, if you draw them as a mature attractive person I'm going to say they are attractive.

[@MeinaAI]

Some Western Artists want to be replaced by AI so badly, because AI still knows what hot woman is

[@neutronshiva2498]

It may have 6 or 7 fingers but it still looks like woman XD

[@IKvASS]

Yo, youtube "Concord vs AI". LOL

[@LecherousLizard]

Alternatively we can train the AI to learn what a hot woman is.

[@Монс-й1ь]

I'm used to be pretty negative on the whole "AI" thing, but if choice is between AI and this people - i will gladly pick a side of our machine overlords

[@Scarcheeze]

Hahahahhahaha💀

[@sharzinlalebazri5673]

Kinkymation: "Nah, I'm sure the Concord characters had some awesome concept art and a bunch of corporate suits told the artists to bland-ify the designs." Meanwhile, what the artists draw without any pressure from any of the executives and corporate suits:

[@MellowFungus]

You underestimate how woke the artists are...

[@sharzinlalebazri5673]

@@MellowFungus I don't. Kinkymation does.

[@MellowFungus]

@@sharzinlalebazri5673 I'm sorry

[@MangaGamified]

I wonder if there's any woke company that's not being backed by long established companies like Sony, cause obviously Risk Assessment would say so otherwise it would just be literal charity for these "NON" freaks. They could only sell via forced pandering, blackmail or take your name for h0stage; "yOu'rE SeX1St oR m1SoGyNy iF YoU DoN'T BuY My gAmE"

[@GoblinKing117]

@@sharzinlalebazri5673 Some definitely only draw stuff like what's on the left just to have and keep their jobs.

[@trublgrl]

My Hero Academia is made by a giant corporate entity, and it is designed to promote "good" young people. The characters don't get into any sexual situations, but they are drawn like young women and men, there is cheeky humor, there is sexual/romantic tension, the boys are interested in the girls, the girls are interested in the boys, even though there's no sexual relationships in the show. The Japanese, and MHA Production Committee understand that this is all normal human development. Yearning for the love of the opposite sex, being titillated by the way each other looks, fascination with the strength of masculinity or the beauty of femininity, these are wonderful things. They make us feel excited when we are young, nostalgic when we are old, and raise the stakes in any narrative fiction. Stop letting them take away the normal emotional touchpoints of our civilization.

[@McCaroni_Sup]

Nihilists hate normality.

[@byronbarrientos8471]

Giant corporate entity? My hero is made by ONE guy, what are you talking about. His name is Kōhei Horikoshi. All manga are written by one person with the occasional duo.

[@WildArtistsl]

Wtf? Bots can make essays? My Hero Academia was made by ONE GUY seesh

[@juggernautbob3840]

Wait nobody ever gets in a relationship, not even side characters? Well, that's one show I can take off my list...

[@trublgrl]

@@juggernautbob3840 Maybe I should say no one bangs it out.

[@GUNS_jk]

When I went to art school. The professors actually openly mocked these type of students. I miss those days.

[@Dregomz02]

My mom looked at that one fat green blob character from Concord and instantly i could see and hear her disgust. If even retired women in their 70s hate your modern designs for whom are you making those products?

[@neutronshiva2498]

If you showed this shit to your mom you failed as son/daughter.

[@Dregomz02]

@@neutronshiva2498 I just wanted to see her reaction if she's got indoctrinated by the mainstream media or not. Apparently not.

[@yellow1yellow121]

Jews

[@juggernautbob3840]

​@@yellow1yellow121being racist to Jews went out of fashion multiple decades ago, grow up.

[@giorgospapoutsakis5271]

​@@yellow1yellow121what do Jews have to do with this? I bet they look down on it too

[@GeneralProfessor]

"Pretty soon there will be no other alternatives to our ideology." - Definitely not a totalitarian

[@dustintroydeguzman5411]

80% Accurate. Just missing either one being Fat, Black, Trans or All of them for the American Artists one.

[@funkyweapon1981]

Don't forget the wheelchair and the vitiligo.

[@johnrex7108]

The West has fallen. We can't even draw sexy women anymore.

[@niggacockball7995]

Dont worry the nu evropans (homo habilises) taking over da vvest will draw sexo foids for us

[@skootergirl22]

Sexy men on the other hand

[@SchemingGoldberg]

We can't even define what a woman is.

[@Tonicshades]

Not my work, if you're like the rest of us normals, create your own work and compete with the major brands, make them beg for you to stop creating, but keep going until you buy them out yourselves, then let all of the employees go.

[@kamuireina9868]

Wonder how these progressive feel about that one scene where Shinji stands over Asuka's bed.

[@TheMenaceHimself2006]

I dunno, but one thing I DO know is that they would hardcore ship Kaworu and Shinji together

[@okpoiiika_b_kopblte_ctaca7084]

Or even an opening scene of ep 22 directors cut version...

[@TheMaleRei]

​@@TheMenaceHimself2006 Would? That's been a thing since the first series came out...

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@TheMenaceHimself2006 would? Talking a stroll through fanfiction sites show you they do...

[@superspyro8940]

I will never get why people complain about attractive women in media, like do you want your gender to be represented as fat and ugly? It’s so weird.

[@Daniel-tf3pb]

It's because they feel threatened by pixels that look better than them, and instead of bettering themselves, they want to make them ugly so they won't have any competition

[@TheThreatActor]

​@@Daniel-tf3pbThey're threatened by fictional characters which is the peak of delusion

[@limerico3517]

Envy with some pixels is wild dude

[@koi4661]

It never about complaining that the character look attractive. It about how they are drawn, no body will complain about a very conventionally attractive character but when the character is drew is a very explicit way then yes people will complain, it does feel objectifying. I am an artist with an anime art style myself but i can get it when people feel icky seeing female character drawn with ridiculous proportion. This video is just making a straw man, no one complain about attractive character, they complain because it feel like it objectifying woman.

[@insanecheapo195]

1% of idiots is threatened by the image of what they can never be, a beautiful real woman

[@ADHadh]

"These characters are teenage girls, which is why they must look like 30-year old men"

[@elpsykoongro5379]

30 year old men with an androgynous set and a complete lack of testosterone

[@kuroyami9757]

Do you even saw teenage girls irl? A lot of people look older than they are

[@elpsykoongro5379]

@@kuroyami9757 Dude, that's just your experience and expectations of what people should look, and they certainly don't look 20 years older than they should

[@kuroyami9757]

@@elpsykoongro5379 Rei Ayanami doesn't look 30 in that art are you crazy? Do even saw how a nowadays teenager looks like

[@trublgrl]

Also notice, the American version has something on the floor obscuring three out of four feet and basically 3/4 of one of the hands is visible, while three and a quarter hands are tucked into the body, and rendered as blobs. That's sheer laziness. It's something real artists tell you you had better get over if you want to be a professional. You may have to redraw it 20 times, but you DO IT, because you're being paid, don't just hide the parts you can't draw. The Korean Manwha/Anime style uses simplified feet, but they are drawn correctly, and all the hands have fingers.

[@Baron_Wurst]

The American version also has them covered in a massive shadow with only parts of the faces being luminated. Likely that people don't look too close and notice poor or lazy craftsmanship, and don't notice that they are supposed to be girls. While in the good version the shadows are the result of a light source and simulate a 3D effect on the characters and make the picture look more dynamic. By comparison the left picture looks more like a flat plain. The American version also lacks things like fabric effects on the plug suits and complex hair details, which made the characters so recognizable. The only "advantage" the American version has is that's it's more easily replicated by AI.

[@Kensuke0987]

speaking of being professional, the Korean artist did a good job with drawing the characters faithful to the originals at least IMO. they didn't do their own take on them - they kinda just did what they were supposed to do. perhaps you could even say that they actually respected the original design and artwork.

[@HarenunHoppus]

Nobody can deny the booty jiggling and waifus. Rei is pretty dope in the game.

[@Jadty]

Based.

[@eveakane6563]

I managed to get all three girls, although I had to buy Mari because I couldn't get her from pulls

[@jamalisujang2712]

Asuka is better. Eat my arse.

[@HarenunHoppus]

@@eveakane6563 im saving for the anniversary, new pilgrim dude! Dont need another Tsundere, Privaty has loads of that anyway

[@eveakane6563]

@@HarenunHoppus not a fan of tsundere myself, but I wanted to collect the girls. My favorite is Rei > Mari > Asuka for a reason

[@rdubayoo]

The leftist version isn't just ambiguous in terms of gender. It's ambiguous period. My eyes are struggling to understand what they are looking at.

[@kenkaneki3873]

You missed the biggest point. The Nikke versions are 1.1 exactly the same as the original versions just in the modern Nikke art style. The ones on the left look nothing like the character they're supposed to be.

[@BLUE-dw4tc]

The ones on the left look like men cosplaying

[@LecherousLizard]

If you didn't tell me, I'd think that's an original promo art from when Evangelion first aired, because I'm pretty sure even the poses are identical.

[@Archon331]

I thought thats original art, they just look like Asuka and Rei I didnt even think its art from different IP :D

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

People seem to forget that Gainax PIONEERED fan service in anime. 😂

[@LecherousLizard]

@@Spectacular_Insanity Probably because it didn't happen. Anime fan service has a much longer history going back at least 10 years before Gainax, then Daicon Film, was even a found. And that's only the "sexual" kind of fan service we're talking about.

[@robinthrush9672]

Anyone thinking the characters being teenagers means they can't be drawn like this should go to a high school football game and just scan the teenagers to see how they're dressed. My step-son wanted to go to the game and it seems black tights are the basic style for girls now.

[@CrizzyEyes]

"but that's creepy" will be the response at no point will the women ever suffer accountability for dressing this way, no matter how many times we tell them that men are visually activated, it will never be any amount of fault on their part, it will always be our fault for having eyeballs and being situationally aware enough to look at other people and not check our phones constantly while walking

[@robinthrush9672]

@@CrizzyEyes Too true. It's just shaming tactics with no argument. Our eyes being drawn like that is like seeing a car crash on the highway.

[@ZingoBananaa]

i'll be honest just tell anyone reading this to not do that, unless you're also a teenager. Fictional characters are one thing, go right ahead there, but telling people to go check out 3D teenagers to compare is kind of weird...

[@robinthrush9672]

​@@ZingoBananaa Don't read more into it than me pointing out that people will see more daring dress styles IRL than are being designed even in the "risque" 90's anime.

[@joncross9264]

​@@ZingoBananaa you're assuming another component here that doesn't need to exist in this context, unless you're part of that in which case get help. The short hand is, step outside and see how people dress and look in reality. By comparison these drawings are tame and far more realistic than the ones on the left. It does more harm to people's self image to gaslight them into believing that women essentially look like teenage boys until they're in their 30s. It's just as bad as beauty standards. People feel bad enough about their body already. They don't need more negative feedback for existing. Women and men come in all shapes and sizes. for us normal people, diverse body types aren't an issue. In our world they're allowed to make these depictions. In their world we should be murdered on site for daring to make the image on the right or remotely liking it (you can like things platonically). We should also be publically flogged for daring to dislike what they make. Comparatively in a free society we should be able to make fun of what we want, be it the left image or the right image.

[@liamc4113]

"No one looks like that in real life." The irony.

[@Jadty]

I could open Instagram right now and see like 10 hot girls with classically hot bodies.

[@Vynne96-jg7er]

Protest against DEI. Reject the uglifycation of women in video games and art!✊🏼✊🏼📢📢

[@yellow1yellow121]

DEI is an extension of international jewry that want to make everything and everyone ugly and unhealthy.

[@AntiRiku]

We'd have to get rid of diversity hiring as that's how these hacks infiltrate

[@falcongamer58]

4:32 I've grown sick of this notion. I don't understand how it even got popularized. Entire societies got convinced that it's inherently creepy and unnatural. I'm so done 😭

[@denkerbosu3551]

Virtue signaling.

[@falcongamer58]

@denkerbosu3551 usually it's something you'd call a minority of people like woke people and puritans, but this is one of the aspects that got mass adopted into the mainstream attitude of pretty much every society and that messes with my sanity

[@SchemingGoldberg]

@@falcongamer58 That's because that idea started in the 1920s. Before the 1920s the age of consent was 12, but feminists raised the age of consent to 16. So because that idea was normalized in the 1920s, everybody alive today grew up with that idea.

[@falcongamer58]

@SchemingGoldberg but what happened to the people who weren't feminists during the transition period? Was there a period of debate and controversy or was it the church or government that shamed people into adopting it on a perpetual level? Even then, there are plenty of other things that remain debatable today that started long ago So idk the bottom of that phenomenon yet

[@SchemingGoldberg]

@@falcongamer58 There was a brief period of debate, but that was 100 years ago. They only fought back a tiny bit, they didn't fight back hard enough. The anti-feminists lost, the feminists won, before we were even born.

[@sulphurous2656]

Left is also considerably more likely to draw highly questionable or indecent images of these characters paired with "basketball Americans" for some reason.

[@funkyweapon1981]

Basketball Americans!😂

[@-hello6177]

It's hard to see basketball american as racist because it sounds really fucking dope, can you imagine someone goes up to you and call you that, even without being into basketball or an american, it would still feel like cool ass praise

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

Don't they also draw gay people extremely sexulize only gay men for some reason they will draw them wearing speedo and bdsm gear I don't get this people if they like gay stuff go do their own thing why do they keep ruin other people enjoyment

[@blackironseamus]

any lady friend we have? bro doesn't know his own audience

[@Hershewed]

I think he was making a joke lol

[@harkbelial]

Wahmens, eeeeeewwwww

[@nerdycat2625]

I’m a woman, but I don’t have any lady friends who don’t watch anime lol

[@Ceabrus74]

Stop playing into the stereotypes progressivists place on us.

[@Ceabrus74]

Or continue, i guess. I'm not your dad.

[@plumaDshinigami]

Celebrating women is alright unless she's actually beautiful and has empathy for others.

[@Veslelia_cw]

Funny how the "sexist misogynist" designs are the ones that the majority of humans, men and women like. Funny how games like nikke, stellar blade has seen such success and beloved by so many women as well. When they made the Pokemon changes, all i saw left and right were women upset because their avatar looked like them, but then they just looked like men😂.

[@MangaGamified]

They think they can earn their bread by blackmailing or forced pandering people "yOu'rE SeX1St oR MiS0GyNy iF YoU DoN'T BuY My gAmE"

[@Ravalin]

"westerners" ✡

[@giorgospapoutsakis5271]

What does this imply?

[@elpsykoongro5379]

Yes

[@currentvibes8165]

One thing that I noticed with the way you talked about the characters is that you could actually notice the personalities of the characters from the right image, despite not knowing anything about the show. Evangelion’s character design is not complex, the blue-haired girl is a quiet, calm perfectionist, and the red-haired girl is outgoing, confident, and cocky. You can see this in the face and body language of the art. Meanwhile, the Western one has the exact same posture and facial expression in both characters to the point where I wouldn’t be able to distinguish what they are like in any way.

[@Kensuke0987]

Asuka (red girl) is the perfectionist/overachiever Ayanami Rei (blue girl) is meant to be mysterious at least in the first impression i don't think the art actually conveyed Ayanami Rei's entire being here, but i wouldn't blame them because Ayanami is... _very complex?_ i'd praise the artist for being faithful to the originals though

[@adamjutras7024]

Ask women what body they would like to have.

[@bloo_dergn]

0:17 guess I've got something to talk to mom about

[@Laughing_Chinaman]

should have said western vs eastern

[@faidzeelhisyamhattar2133]

Should have said dumb vs normal.

[@RambleOn07]

This isn't Western. This is anti-Western art. A key element of their movement is to tear down Western Civilization.

[@LecherousLizard]

@@faidzeelhisyamhattar2133 Normal vs common sense.

[@yellow1yellow121]

Jewish vs Human Art

[@faidzeelhisyamhattar2133]

@@LecherousLizard If the left is normal to you, get checked.

[@carljonesii8656]

My art teachers would eat me alive if I made a woman look THAT masculine.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

I can stay bored longer than they can stay solvent.

[@thesaltyweeb]

Looks at pic to the left... Oh god wtf Looks at pic to the right HELL YEAH BABY!

[@brei2670]

Japanese artists. EDIT: Oh, it's Nikke. Well, they even used Japanese text there, and ofc Evangelion is Japanese. But I suppose this particular art could be Korean made, unless whoever holds rights to Evangelion provided their own. It looks very much like the original anyways.

[@Pertruabo]

That image on the right is Shift-Up rendition of Rei and Asuka cause Nikke is having a collab with EVA

[@denkerbosu3551]

The style's definitely nikke's, you can tell by the shadows of the under boob, accentuating them.

[@Cloud_Seeker]

"This is Tumbler level art. Art people used to draw for free back in the day" - Vee. Where do you think those artist went when they grew up? What is more sad is that their skill never improved.

[@RavenHaili]

I read that as con artists at first, still fits

[@cripplinganimedepression9902]

Look guys, I knew the game was great when they have offered me a one handed gameplay while my right arm was broken. And look at me now, I have all the collab characters. I live a very fulfilling life.

[@ProfessionalRacist007]

I really recommend the OG Evangelion anime that came out in 1995(some 20 or so episodes, each with 20 min runtime) + The End of Evangelion movie(1997) You can skip everything else. Don't watch other movies if you don't wanna. Just watch these two things you're missing out bruh. This anime is cultural phenomenon that inspired and is still inspiring many works of art till this date.

[@Kensuke0987]

Mari isn't in the older stuff though if you're looking for some context as to who she is without having to jump into some wiki i'd say the remake movies could stand alone, but personally, i think they're much more interesting if you've watched the originals first. you could like, watch out for the differences/retcons

[@Levariatine]

I like the original Eva but I absolutely despise the new Eva. I think they threw the old one right out of the windows with the new Eva, I just watched 2-3 episodes of new Eva and I had enough of it

[@Jbaquero98]

The Rebuilds feel like a bland, forgettable kids anime. Shouldn't have fixed what ain't broken 😂

[@woldemunster9244]

VEE GOSHDARN! EVA is about father-son relationship, emotional "abuse" and finding a reason to care about humanity in end-of-the-world situation. I really-really recommend to everyone.

[@DruuzilTechGames]

6:00 - Vee commits blasphemy.

[@Vihara2]

How DARE he not watch Evangelion!

[@KisekiFan]

This is what happens when you have activist instead of actual artist. Also We still have plenty of games to buy, Eastern games to exact, its these 'artist' who will have no job soon cause no one will wanna buy their piece of crap. 🤣

[@Noperare]

TBF, Asuka, the ginger one, is an arrogant brat that thinks she is better than everyone else and demasculinize the protagonist Shinji all the time to hide her insecurities and mommy issues. Evangelion manages to have a cast where everyone is mentally ill, but still tells an interesting story. Just like yaoi and yuri, Japan shown you can make a story be literally about the protagonist being gay and still be interesting because IT IS NOT PROPAGANDA.

[@Milkocheerio]

Shinji wasn't gay

[@werewolf873]

Bon clay is a real man

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@Milkocheerio There was a boy who liked him, but OP wasn't saying Evangelion _is_ yaoi, rather that Evangelion can do a woke and have a girlboss (Asuka) and not be garbage, just like yaoi can do a woke by having gay protagonists and yet they're not automagically garbage, because it's not woke brainwashing. Look at Sailor Moon; on paper, it's woke af with a female creator _and_ LGBTQPIKACHU+ everywhere, and yet it has fans of every tribe and creed because it's a classic story, not soulless propaganda.

[@Kensuke0987]

@@Milkocheerio he might as well be Kaworu was one of the few people who was actually nice to him

[@cesarcampos8746]

@@Kensuke0987 no he isn't

[@recapnerd2657]

When I saw the thumbnail, my immediate thought was “which way, western man?” (I pick the image on the right)

[@kens-orca1754]

Just thought I'd point this out: The Korean artist who made Rei and Asuka (and also Mari) got put as character models for a game called Nikke, who is known for its surprisingly captivating lore, funny character interactions, badass enemies, but most importantly of all, ridiculously hot women lmao. Shift Up is the studio behind Nikke, and if that rings a bell, they are also the same people who made Stellar Blade on PS5.

[@ABD-pc3jf]

Whats crazies is that somehow, these people started using the word "weirdo" as an insult when, for the last two decades, they used it to describe themselves as a point of pride.

[@davidcrawford5324]

Going back even further, we were the weirdos simply because we were into comics and games (both video games and tabletop) before it was mainstream and just a hobby with a super niche audience. We were called nerds, geeks, dweebs, and dorks and made fun of as kids growing up because we liked those things. Yet NOW we are being invaded by these woke progressive people who are nothing but tourists and activists and being ridiculed and labeled as toxic because we don't like the propaganda and ideologies they are trying to push into our gaming/comic book culture. We were here first!! GTFO of our entertainment and stay in your lane

[@aeonise]

These "artists" seem intent on abolishing the greatest benefit of art: aspiration. People seeing beautiful, fit forms think "I want to be more like that". Even if you can never reach the level of those forms, pursing that aspiration makes you better in the process. Art can improve people, but not this trend of "art" that just reflects average Portlandians.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

Of course they want to destroy aspiration... they're bitter petty people who are incredibly envious, they have a severe case of "crabs in a bucket". Instead of trying to improve themself, they want to tear down everybody else.

[@frogfinance4605]

Pro-tip: do not piss off Evangelion fans in relation to their waifus. Many of these people will go to criminal acts in order to defend their anime women. You have been warned leftists.

[@Sl4wt3r]

"Pretty soon these weirdos will have no games to buy at all." Given the choice between buying their games and watching the games industry implode, I'd choose to be the one writing the obituary.

[@roguegargoyle914]

I've been working in the same industry for 27 years, I am regarded as an "expert" internationally. I learn something new on every job I go on, no one knows everything and no one ever will. The arrogance in the gaming industry is astounding and that is multiplied many times by "artists" in the gaming industry.

[@davidcrawford5324]

I think you mean activists. It seems that dozens of corporate developers have these left wing progressives at every level of game design from upper management to the grunts that do all of the programming/animation or graphics/environment work. Between that and the game consultation companies that inject DEI and woke ideologies and propaganda into games like SBI, it's no wonder why nobody wants to buy western made games anymore

[@xnephysisthere]

I can say though, the same drawings produced on the left here were supposedly made by a character artist for Firewalk studio's Concord.... but really I do appreciate that it uses a design that is more able to depict the ethic differences in the characters, Asuka is supposed have german ancestry. This isn't really as apparent in conventional anime styles, woman and men for the most part can literally be drawn the same way and be Asian or Western people.

[@jamesrichards2442]

Should be noted that Gainax (latterly Khara) built a $12bn merchandise empire out of the two Eva girls.

[@iamLI3]

>go to whatever lady friend you know -vee issuing me a challenge - impossible

[@nanakomatsu7425]

XD

[@MADSLAYER47]

the obsession with androgyny in woke artists is a hallmark

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

"Pretty soon these weirdos won't have any games to buy at all." Oh how true that statement was, just not about the ones she was targeting.

[@worldwar1flyingace645]

DEI taking the fair out of the fairer sex.

[@dylans0630]

Evangelion is depressing as all hell, but it’s still pretty awesome. You should check out the first couple of episodes, at least. That’s just my recommendation

[@CrizzyEyes]

honestly I hate it as a recommendation to any casual anime viewer or someone who's never seen anime, it was literally designed to be a subversion of anime tropes and it's completely lost on anyone who isn't familiar with them

[@dylans0630]

@@CrizzyEyes yeah, it’s definitely not for anime new comers, I don’t think. I’d start with Pokémon and Naruto and FMA myself

[@dylans0630]

@@CrizzyEyes and I was lost on the bigger themes myself when I first saw it.

[@sulphurous2656]

@@CrizzyEyes Still better than those cashgrab reboot movies.

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

My only issue is that Neon Genesis Evangelion is Japanese, Not Korean. Maybe the artist who drew that specific picture is Korean, but its just a fairly accurate to the show depiction.

[@davidcrawford5324]

The art on the right was from Nikke:Goddess of Victory by Shift Up. Asuka and Rei and Mari were all added to the game as a collab event. Their in game models are the image on the right

[@dylives7667]

Sure thing, Vee. Asuka (the red one) is taking you to an adventure, alright. An adventure into the fantastic world of CBT.

[@yatarookayama8329]

Not just Korean but also Japanese Artist , etc Anything Not Woke 😏😏

[@herbderbler1585]

One side wants to let everyone draw as they please while being free to voice their opinions about it and choose how to spend their money. The other side wants to eliminate unapproved art styles, silence opposing opinions and control the market so you can only buy from them.

[@alive6281]

Pyrocinical doing female cosplay looks more girly💀

[@RobertLutece909]

Vee, the original Wonder Woman art had her in a loose skirt that ended just above the knee. It's quite a bit less sexy than modern designs. Of course, she didn't have a man jaw.

[@funkyweapon1981]

Wonder Woman was created by bondage fetishist.

[@giorgospapoutsakis5271]

​@@funkyweapon1981what?

[@theeldenpring]

the only problem i see is the anatomy and faces being off, other than that its literally just a slightly more realistic style for drawing people. you and the freaks in the comment section need to get off the internet

[@ca678.4]

Exactly. Dude is literally comparing an amateur to a professional. All these people here if they were to start drawing tomorrow they’d see that their art would turn out just like on the left at first. Which is exactly how the Korean artist started out too till they got to the point on the right. These people love when stuff confirms their bias. There are soooo many amarrican artists that draw like the right but of course people like this take the minority and focus on them

[@bartomolev6682]

Ideal western fictional character: looks like a man but sometimes has longer hair, no emotions, no weaknesses, has a sob story, me against the world mentality, doesn't need anyone's help *EVER*, has all the power from the start of the "journey" bouncing from one place to another as the plot requires, and most importantly isn't a person but a vessel to push a message

[@Insictis]

I don’t understand why these companies allow their employees to run their mouths at potential customers. If this were a restaurant you’d just get up and leave and never come back (plus leave a negative review on Google Maps) if the waiter was being rude and insulting you.

[@davidcrawford5324]

Most reviews are left on Yelp, but yeah you're right

[@sissysovereign1294]

I really don't understand WHY these artists here in America are so threatened when it comes to beautiful fictional girls/women? Why? And this is coming from a straight hetero female who lives in America. Why..? Women have breasts! Women have ass, women have curves and actual feminine features! Yes sex appeal isn't always needed, but it's appreciated! I myself heavily enjoy seeing strong beautiful women in games that have no problem flaunting their feminity. Juliet from Lollipop chainsaw for example! Her design is so cute,fun,and girly until it drew me in and made me want to buy the game since it first came out! Sailor Moon! She's a magical girl who's powers literally rely on magic,love,and feminine beauty to help save the day! And so has every other magical girl heroine that has come before and after her. It's sad how a whole faction of insecure women only want to make female characters if they're heavily unattractive queer coded butches that demonizes feminity while howling about how their not like other girls. And then they wonder why Japan keeps slaying with their merch while America's market is dying. Never in my xx amount of years on this Earth would I ever think that it would be a crime to be or enjoy an effeminate woman

[@steveheffner]

Being gay, the one on the left gives me no interest in the movie/game/whatever yet the one on the right does interest me. See if they give that kind of artwork for women characters then the male characters will also be done well too. The weirdo's that make the artwork on the left just don't get it obviously.

[@wandering_monke]

We are really bordening the term "artists" for these scrapbook doodlers

[@calculateddeclination5534]

Image on the left (American artists) looks like dudes cosplaying as their favorite anime girls. The image on the right actually looks like two girls.

[@DarthChrisB]

Art is an expression of your soul. The fact that these people only draw ugly things speaks for itself.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

"pretty soon weirdos will have no games to buy" We'll just make our own games & in fact we are & buy those instead lol.

[@whitetiana3022]

nah she's right. pretty soon those weirdos won't have any games to buy anymore. she just didn't realize that the weirdos in question were her and her crew.

[@Cau_No]

Korean: Sticks to the original Japanese design. American: Feels need to 'fix' everything (which is not broken).