The Difference Between Comic Book And Manga Fight Scenes

They are both different, but they are both good
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[@martianmetal]

Dandadan video is up guys. Thank you so much

[@syahmioziar5290]

Just a bit of correction. Garou copy ability is his own, not by God.

[@martianmetal]

@@syahmioziar5290 oh i know. But God made it more literal. Garou was just mainly able to copy skills of a person, while Cosmic Garou could copy the actual powers of the other character.

[@tracark2255]

this video kinda sucks. for the last 4 minutes you straight up forgot about the point of the video. We didn't come here for you to explain to us about One Punch Man we came here to see the Differences and strengths between comic and manga fight scenes

[@martianmetal]

@@tracark2255 the fight in OPM was an example, explaining the differences. It was an example used to talk about how a superhero fight scene can be amazing, how comic artists can learn from it. Of course I’m going to use examples to talk about differences and what they can learn from each other.

[@tracark2255]

@@martianmetal but OPM is a bad example. OPM has 5 assistants working on the the main art and choreography. While comics always have only 1 key artists (inkers and pencilers don’t count)

[@RedBoy747]

In summary Comics mainly focus on the effect while Mangas mainly focus on the cause.

[@martianmetal]

Exactly

[@Electricc__]

*Affect Edit: *Effect

[@weonanegesiscipelibba2973]

@@Electricc__ that's a verb

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Most western and asian differences are the same as Platonic and Aristotelean differences. It's the saem as their doctors STOP being paid when you get sick so they will treat you, and streets are numbered in west but the BLOCKS are numbered in the east. West focuses on the point of contact, but East focuses on the point of escalation. Comics are guiding your eye as picture books thrugh the letterboxes, but manga guides your eye to the IMAGE and the text is only glanced at, in the periphery. Reverses of the same thing. That's why anime is so good, ALL MANGA is already storyboarding that eventually evolved into anime. All comics are pin-up art pieces, and you're meant to IMAGINE the action in between, while manga shows the action, first and foremost.

[@kuhakuxiii6408]

​@@joshuastoute7569 *affect

[@josesosa3337]

In some western comics it feels like the characters are posing for pictures where as in manga, it really feels like they're actually moving. Edit:*some manga

[@martianmetal]

Exactly.

[@demontiming3234]

Exactly their movement is much more fluent

[@VunderGuy]

Which is ironic because whenever they make it to anime it feels like jerky robots moving half the time with all the fluidity of the lazy abuse of key frames they use.

[@futureparadise.2089]

@@VunderGuyyou must be watching some pretty shit anime then 😂

[@CedricDur]

One of my common complaints with comics (but rarely if ever with manga) is how characters are drawn with their mouth closed as they are talking.

[@magwen9]

Many action manga mimic motion blurr so well and take full advantage of deforming the drawings to sell motion and impact. I kinda wish more western action comics would take from this to combine that with color.

[@orangeman3220]

Western comics, particularly marvel and DC showcase the pose of the action without the impact and motion. Would really love if Japanese techniques were used in creating western comics

[@majestic8274]

Look at some indie comics especially with the recent influx of anime interest

[@kaiser1963]

They do not everything in western comics is dc and marvel

[@AhmedEx1.]

​@@kaiser1963commas are very useful, try using them more

[@thatdoommarine7748]

@@orangeman3220 Check out some indie comics

[@unib4324]

I think opm is the closest in terms of both comic and manga fight styles since murata is a fan of the two mediums

[@martianmetal]

Yeah, it’s absolutely perfect. A nice combination that fits so perfectly

[@unib4324]

@@martianmetal I agree

[@tonyhuwa641]

Aah so thats why its so nice to read OPM fight scene

[@sahilrahman5066]

@@tonyhuwa641 that makes so much more sense

[@SauceCake0]

and the redraws Murata does to make it almost like a storyboard / key frames really make the panels flow together really nicely

[@someguyy194_2]

This is a very well put together video and it’s definitely makes you want to compare the two art forms

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man i really appreciate that

[@zzodysseuszz]

Idk man when he shows examples of comics doing it pretty well he shows some of the most horrid art I’ve ever seen

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

@@zzodysseuszz Most of them look great wdym?

[@zackofpersia5086]

this is gonna be a hard ask but can someone add all the manga and comic book names where this stuff appears? I had a good idea of most of the manga like baki, berserk and kengan ashura but really had no idea about what any of those comic book name's were. would be a huge help. Thank you guys

[@arakami8547]

Whats the comic shown at 0:46?

[@bluewolf137]

Manga and Comics are both Goated

[@spacecowboy3907]

one arguably moreso than the other in recent years.

[@geokashi357]

comics are gay

[@andrewsmith2539]

@@geokashi357 now and days they are

[@Ghost-bo8wf]

@@geokashi357 you are immature, sad that you have a small brain to understand that gay people exist but yea I understand also

[@Ghost-bo8wf]

@@andrewsmith2539 you sound immature, but I understand what y’all mean but again no need to be homophobic

[@philgamer_309]

Something that annoys me about comics is that they're not really friendly with new readers, it's like walking through a messed up path that diverges, then there's manga one direct story chapter by chapter

[@martianmetal]

Oh 100%. I’ve been trying to read some X-Men and I’ve been told to just start at the Krakoa Era, even though there’s decades of history before hand. I’ve been reading DC, after yet another reset, reading Dawn of DC. It did start this year, so it’s more manageable but still. You basically gotta read this, to understand this, to understand this. But if you wanna read Chainsaw Man, you start at Chainsaw Man chapter 1. I love comics but they honestly can be unfriendly to new readers.

[@LivingHe11]

That issue doesn't apply to independent comics go read the crow or The mask Or the Strange Talents of Luther Strode

[@hiddenthunder1395]

I'll say find character that looks interesting to you and start from any comic run or separate story that you want. This is exactly why comics are separate in volumes, to attract new readers. If you're not afraid of older stuff, there's plenty of online guides for you to help.

[@DGISALWAYS]

​@@martianmetal honestly Image comics doesn't have these issues on when to start. You start with issue 1 for let's say walking dead then you can just read.

[@noahboss5617]

Because comic are bunch of lazy writers. Reboot and reboot and reboot. They just power up some popular characters or just make them suddenly have children that inherited their power. Tada........ Batman use green lantern ring, become dr Manhattan, become god. Or starfire have a kid, or joker have daughter (LMAO).

[@aidanshowers8366]

This video is so refreshing, I’m happy someone is analyzing manga and comics without putting comics down.

[@martianmetal]

Thanks. I’m glad people are noticing that. I hardly see videos where they’re not putting comics down honestly.

[@oakleyhasafoot7878]

Too bad you can’t say the same for the comment section

[@i.m.crazee5195]

@@martianmetal Facts man. People seem to have too much of an agenda against comics nowadays. When most comics are better than most manga since it's is crap like "My Dick is now My Best Friend" or something !!!

[@l__f0]

@@i.m.crazee5195 Manga is definitely taking over.

[@samuraijosh1595]

@@i.m.crazee5195 i don't think manga like that is even popular at least in the West. Those titles are popular because they sound crazy but how many western readers do you think have actually read one of this?

[@DaWhisper]

Take a look at the comic book “Luther Strode”. It’s has some of the best fight scenes I’ve seen in a comic book and the story is really good too. I think it’s exactly the kind of comic that this video should’ve talked about cause the fight scenes ticks all of the boxes. Powerful impacts, Dynamic poses, Speed, Background destruction detail, and a very good understanding of weight. I cannot recommend this comic book enough.

[@martianmetal]

I have read that a bit actually. I’ve also read the comic where Robbie Reyes becomes a Ghost Rider too, same artist i believe. Trad Moore, i believe his name is. Yeah, it does really tick all of the boxes. Those fight scenes are just so crazy, even moments where characters aren’t even fighting.

[@DaWhisper]

@@martianmetal Glad to see that you’ve read the comic book. It’s a shame you didn’t add this into the video. But, If you could make a video about the bests fight scenes in comics and/or manga that would honestly make my day. It’s been a while since I’ve read something.

[@martianmetal]

@@DaWhisper I remember i did read just a couple of chapters though. I do gotta catch up on it. Yeah, i wish i remembered that artist, he really does capture what I’m talking about.

[@kelvinsantiago7061]

Is the comic in omnibus format?(that's the only way I buy comics!)

[@jayfolen8911]

Luther Strode is my favorite comic, it's so good

[@gigaatom]

The final Garou vs Saitama fight was drawn so well I could feel each movement

[@racool911]

Damn I have no idea how Garou can even touch Saitama at this point of the anime lol

[@droggellord]

Get hard spoiler Loser lol

[@kingol4801]

@@racool911 One explanation: Fist of flowing water crushing rocks. That technique allows you to REFLECT a certain % of the opponent’s technique back at the attacker. It is not just a martial art - it is a mythical “no U” function. Now, think about what happens IF somebody mastered that technique to it’s fullest. That means that they can REFLECT 100% of the power. Now, if you think about it, that allows them to know how it feels to use said power, since they perfectly reactively replicate their techniques. So, if somebody mastered the technique perfectly, they can, essentially, “steal” powers from others (they can remember how that energy flows and replicate it). So, Garou fought many enemies and “stole”/mimicked their abilities. He is essentially Amazo in DC, in that sense. Now, in his fight with Saitama, he CAN replicate the entire force of that omega punch due to the “fist of flowing water crushing rocks”….. But being able to PACK a punch is not the same as being able to TAKE a punch. So, base-level Garou you see in anime could theoretically replicate Saitama’s power and throw it against him. Problem is that even if he replicates/reflects 99.9999% of that damage, he still ends up taking 0.0001% of the blow he receives. That minuscule fraction of Saitama’s power is still more than enough to kill a human….. So, as a HUMAN, Garou (anime Garou) COULD throw similar punch in force to Saitama’s (due to the nature of his “martial arts”)….. but he needs to experience it first. And he cannot experience it without dying, in his human form. So, when GOD gave Garou power, he did not really give him power to replicate/copy stuff - Garou always was capable of doing so, being able to reflect and learn ANY power of ANY magnitude…… But his (anime/human form) body would not be able to live long enough “to tell the tale”. Once Garou got buffed by GOD, he got durable enough to SURVIVE Saitama’s punch. And hence, he (because of his innate ability, which he has in his human form as well) was able to replicate and throw Saitama’s punch back at him….. So, Garou got durable enough to survive that 0.0001% of the force taken and dish out 99.9999% of Saitama’s force back at him. Problem: Saitama’s force grows exponentially. So, it was an endless battle of Saitama throwing a punch, Garou taking 0.0001% of it’s force and sending back 99.9999% of it back…. Saitama growing and rinse repeat…. And that is how Garou lost in his cosmic form. Even though he has the ability to send 99.9999% of the force taken back (the same ability he has as a human), his cosmic durability was FINITE. As Saitama’s power grew, eventually, that 0.0001% of the force taken was enough to shatter even Garou’s cosmic armour….. It is not that Garou cannot pack the same kind of punch, both in his human and cosmic forms - it is just that he cannot survive it indefinitely in either form. That is it. Hope it helped to make it clear to you. But yeah, Garou CAN mimic Saitama’s power, even as in the human/anime-featured form of his. It is just so that he needs to survive first in order to replicate it, and no amount of FINITE durability can withstand INFINITE force.

[@racool911]

@@kingol4801 Interesting

[@anthonyortiz350]

I remember feeling so bad for him, dude had a mess up childhood, an unhealthy mindset and he look at his Nephew and realized he messed up had breakdown! Someone as talented as he is deserved so much better!

[@darrelarno9151]

A little thing I noticed: usually manga shows the attack impact and then the after effect, but when a character perform an attack that didn't show the impact scenes, it usually means the character is stupid fast.

[@dr.420-blaze-it5]

1:21 the manga is Kengan Omega, sequel to Kengan Asura. Also that’s a meme fight. But the point you made about impact when a strike connect still stands

[@martianmetal]

Yeah, my mistake. It’s been a while since i’ve read it and i thought it was legit. Thanks for telling me

[@youtubeuser9322]

@@martianmetal you did right because if you used the right image i would have spoiled the winners of each rounds

[@MrEric-ot4pt]

The manga's dynamic lines, exaggerated foreshortening, action lines (C/S body curves), and great use of perspectives and vanishing points in action scenes do the magic

[@bornanime3255]

Huh, this actually explains why I've always had a particular issue with western comics. Like, I love the art and colours and all that, but they always felt so stiff. It felt more like I was looking at a still image that reading a fight with flow. I don't know how I can explain it well enough, and I know manga is also a still image, but idk even though it ain't moving it FEELS like it is. Like I can't see it in the literal sense, but when I read manga action scenes I swear it's like they're moving when I read them. Most likely it's an issue with the speed lines and panel layout.

[@younggamer7218]

It is nice to see someone be hopeful about comics and manga. Also I think a larger factor would be the authors as different comic writers can write different kinds of stories but stray from a characters original intent while mangakas are not the best at diversifying a story but are good at keeping to their vision (Unless the editorial staff says otherwise). Though I don't think it makes either bad. It just gives different experiences.

[@ningenn8682]

yes

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

yes

[@martianmetal]

Exactly, that is a genuine problem that i was actually considering making a video about. Just so many writers with so many different creative ideas being hired to make so many different stories. Even handling stories of the main continuity. Especially if they keep hiring problematic writers. It can seriously give different experiences like you said, which i agree with

[@tonyxultra2279]

Agree.

[@younggamer7218]

@@martianmetal Nice

[@wr5488]

Biggest advantage manga has over comics is the manga writer is completely in charge. Their vision is shown fully with no editors screwing then over or higher ups changing the plot. Look at Green Lantern, one writer got to be on it for like 8 years and it became the most popular corner of DC, had a movie created, had like 8 spin off comics going, totally reinvented the character and lore in an amazing way and wrote probably the best storyline DC has ever created. We don’t get that very often.

[@fabianauer1986]

Oh boy you dont wanna know how many things got change because of an editor

[@martianmetal]

i 100% agree. It honestly does get frustrating and even concerning if someone has a favorite character, because another writer can easily mess them up. I don’t know much about Hal Jordan, but i remember when apparently a writer made Hal Jordan date a 13 year old girl, who had the body of an 18 year old. Apparently he was like “nah, I’m a grown man, you’re a little girl” and when she got a Green Lantern ring, she was able to age herself up to exactly an 18 year old. I don’t remember the rings being able to do that. And they dated. Obviously that’s completely irrelevant now, but a lot of people make fun of the character for it. And it genuinely can get overwhelming when there’s just writer after writer with different ideas. And don’t even get me started on Devin Grayson.

[@hiddenthunder1395]

​@@martianmetalthe worst part is: Hal and Arisia had pretty much normal and healthy mentor/apprentice relationship with her. Next writers had to re-write it into "Oh, actually, it was never something serious, guys, we swear" and made them go separate ways.

[@cecewano2333]

Green lantern was gas as fuck from 1993 to 2020

[@wr5488]

@@martianmetal Yeah his fellow Green Lantern Arisa! It was one of those "Im actually 300 I just look like Im 9" tropes but it was... very weird. She's still used in a lot of stories as an important side character, but I BELIEVE they totally ignore that storyline and pretend it never happened.

[@TheKevphil]

If you go back in time to when Jack Kirby was at his most influential, you see his use of impact lines to great effect. I agree that it is not used enough anymore, though certainly, its OVERuse can become an artistic "crutch." Good video!

[@vitordarksider]

Yeah, while reading through these comments I saw many people say "manga is better because of action lines" and I'm like "do these people know where this originated?"

[@Paul-yr9vk]

Just imagine using both from what is shown in Comics and Manga. You think a hybrid of the 2 could work? EDIT: Man, I forgot I had a mha manga before this comment existed.

[@estanislaomarugo3381]

As a latin american comicbook artis i can tell you that tons of people comine elements from both styles. Even in modern superman comics you can find tons of stylistic choices that come from manga artist and the same can be said for manga ,one punch man and boku no hero academia also use a lot of western-style compositions in its figths. But if you want to se an excelent combination of both styles look at the french industry. Freak squelle( a comic i suspect boku no hero academia took a lot of inspiration from) its an excelent starting point!

[@Paul-yr9vk]

@@estanislaomarugo3381 thank you

[@martianmetal]

A lot of comics and manga actually do use both elements. In the example i used of Hulk vs Thing, it had everything i loved about manga fights. It had the impacts, action lines, effects, etc. it was drawn beautifully. And a lot of mangakas also use western elements as well, like MHA. A hybrid of both do definitely work and they already do. It works beautifully

[@sloantempest9421]

What you're talking about actually exists, Invincible is 1 of them. Luckily it's getting the attention it deserves.

[@jimmyju76]

i take it you never read anything from Antarctic Press

[@josiahf1041]

This is an awesome analysis on comics and manga! I’d love to see more!

[@Scudboy17]

In comics most of the action scenes owe Jack Kirby, Walt Simenson, and Steve Dicto for there style. Kirby was the first one to really hyper exaggerate the punching and reaction poses and that lent of weight to the impacts and effects. Simenson has a way of showing overwhelming power in his art, like Thor punching Surtur or when a celestial attacks Earth- he owes a lot to Kirby but he evolved the style and made it more epic. Ditko wasn't as exaggerated as Kirby, but he had a real eye for the line of the action. When he would draw Spiderman punching a guy everything in the pose and scene was designed dto emphasize that action- the shape and shadows of the background, the clothing, the shadows, they all were designed to feed into the feeling of the action, whether it was a punch, moving at high speed, narrowly escaping danger, it all tied together in that panel. I'm manga, guys like Oda in One Piece aren't just showing an action- every action and reaction is telling a story all on its own. Physics, biology, anatomy, none of that matters- it's the story of that moment that matters. Look at Hajjme No Ippo. It can take a 9 minute boxing match and turn it into a 20 chapter saga and you never feel like it's dragging or going slow. In that manga the story of each punch and counter IS the story! All that action being observed in minute detail is what we are all there for, and the art backs that up. What I real boxing would be a simple jab and weave to dodge, would be maybe 1-2 panels in a Western boxing comic, would take up 2-3 pages in Ippo, with each move showing the strategy, trading, experience, and will of that fighter. There's nothing wrong with either approach, but they have their own appeal and reasons for being drawn the way that they are . You have to respect the creators and artists.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

Think I prefer how Frank Miller does it for comics. His fights seem to be more of the incoming and impact more than just focusing on each hit

[@Scudboy17]

@@JohnPeacekeeper Hell yes. Miller always draws his fights out so you see the damage incoming, like telegraphing a punch, but his style lends so much weight and power to that punch you know it's going to hit like an angry freight train. Miller is also a master of setting the scene, especially with the way he uses perspective and viewing angles.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

@@Scudboy17 You clearly see defense played out too, such as dodges and counters. One of the ones I remember him drawing so well is, ironically, not even a superhero fight, but regular old Jim Gordon vs corrupt cop Flass. Jim is monologuing in his head as he effortlessly schools the opponent and you see so clearly why and how!

[@julianx2rl]

Portraying the aftermath of an impact makes sense, Sakurai said in one of his videos that most of an attack's animation is actually the cooldown that happens afterwards.

[@quin0000]

thats for video games where it’s in motion though

[@sparking023]

Very good analysis. I watch anime more than I read manga, but now that this has been highlighted, it makes sense why I thought manga fights in general feel more impactful and energetic, and I think this translates thought animation too. Ever noticed how western movies and anime use slow motion? Usually is used to the famous bullet time moments, but in anime it is often used to display greater impact, like a character landing a powerful punch and you see the kinetic energy being transferred in slowmo

[@alejandrodavidsaavedra3274]

Man, this was genuinely satisfying to listen to and to learn about. Very nice, objective and open way to look at things man. Thank you

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man

[@_Osse]

This might be the most positive comic related video i’ve ever watched Kudos for that

[@FettMaster8]

Really great analysis. Been reading both manga and comics for a long time, and it's definitely true that they can learn from each other while still maintaining what makes them unique

[@alaa341g]

there is a reason why right now one is crushing the market and even is competetive with movies and TV shows , and one have just a specific small audiance

[@leonardosquillace8871]

Sometimes I get a bit overwhelmed and confused if a fight scene in a manga has too many lines of action and effects

[@dabestyoutube5433]

VERY GOOD VIDEO Ive been trying to find similiar videos on this topic for ages but just couldnt find a single one Great Job man

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man, really appreciate that. Honestly, i do also have a hard time finding videos about a subject like this. Glad i decided to make one myself

[@gawthamravivaruman3166]

This is so interesting, that you for enlightening me on this

[@dushaunlewis7574]

This video is so refreshing. As someone who reads both comics and manga, it's nice to have someone analyze both without degrading one or the other.

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man. It’s honestly a bit frustrating just seeing someone compare the 2 but it’s just degrading one of them ya know. Glad this video was refreshing for you.

[@kritinha4695]

A manga looklike an animation you see the impact and then you see the person flying away… but in comics you don’t have that feel…

[@Nihilism110]

Thanks for making this video i learned a lot thank you

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it.

[@slimeygreengoblin6527]

God, I love art so damn much, man. I never liked one over the other, but I love learning the contrast between the two. Exactly what is was looking for mate well done 👏

[@zfourtythree]

I always knew there were differences between manga and western comics like this, but couldn't place them until this video, it's actually really interesting to look at the small details that make the individual works unique. I also just noticed that western comics tend to arrange the panels on a page in creative ways, with the drawback of being a bit less readable. Fun video!

[@knuxuki1013]

This is most likely just a ME problem but I find certain pages, especially with action, in both Manga and comics sometimes so hard to understand what's happening, like that one panel where Superman is ripping Doomsday apart, I wouldn't have known until you said, it's especially hard when there's no colors with Manga. I could easily understand what was happening in those One Punch Man panels tho, I guess my smooth brain can't handle it when too much is happening 😅

[@andyaquitaine4225]

I think it’s an exposure thing, I tend to have that problem when I haven’t read in a while

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Endevour and Shigaraki fight was unreadable for me during War ARC in MHA, so you're not alone.

[@racool911]

The only manga I've read is One Piece and I've definitely had the problem. I struggle to figure out what's happening half the time. This is why I usually wait for an anime adaptation for most things

[@knuxuki1013]

@@racool911 sometimes I wonder how they adapt certain moments

[@themustardman219]

Demon Slayer manga be like

[@someonebr7862]

Such a refreshing take, I guess it takes an artist to understand that is all Sequential Art and they can learn from each other.

[@Hank_the_Hankester]

This video was awesome, along with your voice and narration, I was astonished!! You've described these two types very well, and was able to analyze each piece of them properly too, amazing!

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man that means a lot to me

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Love this two PoVs of things I love on both sides yet different vibe

[@djantouahmed7319]

It's great that you actually explained the difference between western comic and eastern comic when it comes to fights scenes. People don't pay attention to that.

[@martianmetal]

Yeah. I always thought i was the only one who noticed it, but it seems like i wasn’t the only one from all these comments. I never seen someone actually explain the difference, it was always just “comic bad manga good” type stuff. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@AndrewAce.]

This is a great video, and an incredible showcase of art... Well done...

[@martianmetal]

Thanks

[@temperanceafanador5329]

As always so proud of you you are my favorite , well explain .

[@e2b514]

Excellent video! I've thought about this topic a good bit recently and you did a great job covering a lot of the differences, and I really appreciate the non-bias stance, it's really refreshing to see a comparison that doesn't bash one genre (especially the comics bashing you mentioned). To add one point, a big difference I've noticed is that manga fights are usually a lot longer. Most comics fights take 4 to maybe 8 pages, with especially long ones (take Superboy Prime vs Ion or Thanos and Surfer vs Odin for example) taking up a whole issue. On the other hand, manga will usually have much longer fights, with those kind of big events taking anywhere from 1 to even 15/20 chapters. Granted, manga chapters aren't usually as long as comic issues, though even when taking that into account, I'd say manga fights do tend to last quite a bit longer, though of course there are still exceptions, like the original Supes vs Doomsday fight being 7 issues or Spidey's first fight with Morlun being 3 or 4 issues, while some manga series like Fullmetal Alchemist have very few fights that last a whole chapter or longer.

[@palchristianandersen9086]

Mainstream western comics went through a weird identity crisis in the 2000s where they wanted to be perceived as a more mature storytelling medium. That's one of the reason why a lot of comics dropped some of the exaggerated visual language that manga has. Another reason is that the writer/artist dynamic in western comics has shifted heavily towards favoring the writer in the last couple of decades. So there's a lot more emphasis on dialogue rather than cool fights, which can often just be described as "they fight" in a typical comic book script.

[@hiddenthunder1395]

Honestly, favouritism to writers existed at least since 60s and because of that we have "Marvel way" of writing, which is actually very awful because it discredits artists' actual effort that was put in comics. Sadly, respect to artists like Jim Lee and Alex Ross is exception, not the rule. But, to be fair, I feel like it kinda became slightly better nowadays thanks to social media.

[@maxdon2001]

Great video!

[@HomeBodyMous]

great video bro, I liked your comparisons and highlights of both genres.

[@martianmetal]

Thanks

[@justas423]

1:18 Note: That manga page on the right is actually a fan-edit. The joke is that the guy being knocked out is one of the strongest characters and also one of the most well liked in the series and the guy knocking him out is a relatively new fighter, the protagonist of the sequel series and pretty hated for his apparent Plot Armor.

[@martianmetal]

Yeah, I’ve been told about that after i posted the vid. My bad.

[@Saraselll]

This is a very good and well made video, I'm subscribing.

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man that means a lot to me

[@hackingenious7]

Absolutely amazing analysis of both manga and comics, im a huge fan of both mediums and I hate when either side hates on the other because both sides have their strengths and weaknesses, I do believe that comics should incorporate the use of impact and wind up that manga uses as it would help you feel the sheer power of characters that are known to destroy planets and such, but I also believe that manga also should incorporate color as it would make the scenery pop out much more, thanks for making this as it really shows that both sides are absolutely incredible without being a biased asshole that thinks one or the other is absolute trash.

[@biospeed835]

Manga and comics are the same medium.

[@derp_nugget]

One word: manhwa

[@derp_nugget]

But it is harder to find good ones

[@samtonnude941]

Comics are better and i will not back down from that stance

[@hackingenious7]

@@samtonnude941 why not?

[@YOUCANTDOTHATONTELEVISION]

I really enjoyed this analysis. I think that not enough credit goes to american comics for reasons but, its nice to see a channel push that out of the way to allow art to speak for itself.

[@DNj800]

i think not enough credit goes to Mangaka, they have clearly surpassed comics across all metrics. and that's in black and white.

[@ShockyD]

Great balanced, thoughtful video! I really liked this!

[@martianmetal]

Thanks I really appreciate that

[@Vicente.G]

I agree with the other guys, really nice video man! Loved the comparisons and you make a great point

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

I give respect to mangaka for hand-drawing their art on a weekly basis, yet, their artwork retains the quality

[@dushaunlewis7574]

You have to thank the manga assistants. Most manga with weekly releases have entire teams of people working on them. My Hero Academia for example: Kohei has an editor, team leader, and 6-8 drawing assistants. It's an efficient system and allows the mangaka to focus more on the story than the artwork. Mangaka's with monthly releases don't need as many assistants, usually 1-3 is enough. Then you have mangaka's who REFUSE to use assistants like Rei Hiroe. And he releases his chapters 2-4 times a year.

[@chrisrrez4378]

great vid !

[@stopmotiongarage220]

I really enjoyed this video, happy to subscribe for what you do next

[@martianmetal]

Thank you so much, that really means a lot to me

[@NathanielTBeene]

Something to note about comics vs manga is that in a general volume, manga can have around 35-45 pages. But for western comics, it’s been pretty much standardized that there are 22 pages. There are weekly manga that have around 19 pages, but that doesn’t really compare well to the general comic writer who maybe does one a month. As someone working on a comic book right now, I can tell you I find it difficult to not tell the story with more pages. Not because of having too much to say, but because of the style with which I want to say it. I want pauses and large panels of action, but you “don’t have the room” for that in your typical 22 page comic. Also…budget constraints for an indie comic book writer are high. Art is expensive. Well worth it, but expensive.

[@Kenverse.]

The best fight scene in manga IMO is the fight between garou and dark alloy darkshine where every garou's attack has an after images that are drawn more translucent. It highlights garou's agility while darkshine in another hand is drawn more with solid lines highlighting that he doesn't have the speed that garou has but has but this way it also highlights the raw strength he poses and when he attacks every single line is perfectly placed that you can feel the impact when it hits something. And when garou was knocked out by darkshine and reawakened again the drawing style between the 2 shifts in a way that makes the viewers think that the table has turned against darkshine

[@puppetgamerbr2639]

I got this recommended randomly, but I gotta say it was a very good video man! Keep it up

[@martianmetal]

Thank you very much man, i will

[@arbelcohen8280]

Great video dude!

[@TheCheeseWall]

Well put video! Wake me up when this go viral

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man that really means a lot. I was surprised since i posted this video less than 24 hours ago and it’s already at 2.5k views.

[@kestral63]

A huge difference is in the paneling and pacing. In Japan, basically the entire population reads comics and understands the layouts. A lot of times even when a manga writer is separate from the artist, they still have a baseline drawing ability, know panel compositions, and so draw the layouts. When they write an action scene they know how it's going to look on the page and how many pages it'll take to deliver. Mainstream western comic artists have had problems fitting a writer's script into a comic book issue for most of a century now. Joe Orlando said he wanted 5 to 10 more pages cramming scripts into issues back in the '60s under the Marvel Method, and our approach hasn't changed much. With some exceptions, our writers don't think in panels and tend to treat action scenes as filler visuals separate from the plot. To them the writing is the literal text, aka the dialogue and narration. It's why most of our comics are so banter-heavy and abbreviate action scenes, often into splash pages. As a side effect of that along with the longer drawing times and colorists, we have terrific illustrators who can cram a lot of characters, information, and detail into one scene and make it look great. But combined with artists and writers getting shuffled between projects, most of our action scenes will always be a little cramped and out of sync with the writing. It's pretty much baked into our business models outside indies.

[@duartepako9220]

Such a refreshing outlook when comparing manga and western comics, great video ! Keep up the good work

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man

[@YouFoundMeSomehow]

AMAZING video! I actually was educated on something in both western comics and manga. What's even better is how the animated adaptations put them into action.

[@reckyu7642]

Manga are limited to black and white because of printing costs. So artists have to get creative in selling the action thru other means like speed lines and how they ink the art. Grappler Baki is a great example of how the gesture poses really sell the fight scenes. If manga artist had the liberty of colors for every page, they would push their art further.

[@TheAlison1456]

That's probably true but western comics are in color. There's no excuse. The real weighty reason is it's an artistic decision.

[@impacc4182]

Excuses comics have had color since the 70s not Americas fault their to cheap

[@reckyu7642]

@@TheAlison1456 you missed the point. Manga artist needed to get creative with their limitations to black and white color. Therefore it influenced the art direction.

[@reckyu7642]

@@impacc4182 You missed the point. Printing cost limits influenced Manga creativity. Thus influencing the art direction.

[@TheAlison1456]

​@@reckyu7642 I agree. That's not what's written, though. It's written as if printing costs The reason, period. Misunderstandings happen, it's ok, I will cease further replies here.

[@_darkkstar_]

I think there Ordeal (a Webtoon, so panelling will be very different) is another series that also does a good job of blending the writing and artistic styles of comics and manga.

[@blubbamcfarlane9896]

Amazing video

[@Kingly_Twink]

It's refreshing to see a video that's not just saying comics is dying and what not, I loved watching this video and the positivity you presented, it's lovely ❤

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man

[@CameraPunk5049]

I think something both mangas and comics should use to represent speed speed are fights like those in One Punch Man and In Flash's comics. We always have these op characters that can move faster than what the eye can see and yet their battles don't reflect the insane speeds they use. Except the Flash (you can see him travel around the world in an instant, bc i mean given how many times faster than light flash is he should). Or in One Punch Man where the time is frozen around them and you can see the clock and milliseconds. (Like in the Garou vs Flashy Flash vs Platinum S fight).

[@inquisitive6786]

“Platinum S”😂 call the man by his full name😂

[@CameraPunk5049]

@@inquisitive6786 Sounds awful.

[@inquisitive6786]

@@CameraPunk5049 It’s the best part. Especially when you got people who dont know the character

[@CameraPunk5049]

@@inquisitive6786 It's goofy af. For such a badass character to be called sperm... It's just wrong.

[@inquisitive6786]

@@CameraPunk5049 Well it WAS a joke comic series before the manga came out lol

[@Vantud391]

Manga usually implement fight scene more dynamic/momentum and impact while comic fight usually look stiff. I guess it's due to manga's impact effect and speed lines, and draw more detailed movements. I guess after all, it depend on artist's capabilities and styles.

[@looniemoonie5955]

Very solid analysis. Let this channel be blessed with algorithm! (Your video got randomly recommended to me and I loved it)

[@martianmetal]

Thank you man. That means a lot to me. The algorithm really blessed me, i thought it’d be at least another year before i hit 1000. And look where i am now :) I’m glad you enjoyed it.

[@bezdarebaniy]

nice video man❤

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

Yea I read comics for years and only started reading manga in 2021, and I was blown away by the depiction of movement, the use of afterimages is amazing. I totally ditched comics and switched to manga in January 2022 and I’ve never been happier.

[@harryvuemedia5106]

I stopped buying and reading comics books back in the 2000s. There wasn't anything impressive about the super heroes anymore as everything has been done to them from 70s to the 2000s. With Manga, we get tons of new stories, characters and artists that just blows fans away with their approach to storytelling and fights!

[@deavin4293]

You know there are different companies than just DC marvel right also that You dumb statement you made about nothing being impressive yet some of the best dc and marvel stories are from the 2000s to name a few Batman hush spider man all star superman and old man logon Brian Michael Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man I can name countless more examples but you can have your opinion just that statement was plain wrong

[@deavin4293]

Ok your loss

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

@@deavin4293 hahaha you’re naming comics from 20 years ago.

[@projekttaku1]

@@harryvuemedia5106 nah, you can still do new things with superheroes and still be blown away by the fights and storytelling.

[@corruptpixel8441]

finally someone who doesn't fall in the "comics are bad, manga are superior mentality" when it comes to this types of videos

[@martianmetal]

Honestly it gets pretty annoying when it’s just that. Like it’s fine to think that but there’s just so many videos where it’s just that. Hardly see anything about them both being good

[@brolylssj95]

There are people like that? Well you have to agree that marvel movies pale in comparison to anime and manga. Anime and manga still need more appreciation take it or leave it.

[@corruptpixel8441]

@@brolylssj95 There's a lot of bad mangas and animes

[@brolylssj95]

@@corruptpixel8441 same with comics. Also I dont understand how there are people who have a "mentality" of manga being better. I've never seen such a person. In fact everybody becomes an absolute pile of piss and shit when it comes to manga and anime cuz they are obsessed with marvel movies lol. But then again, marvel movies are extremely poor in quality compared to comics

[@samtonnude941]

comics are better than anime and i stand by that undoubtedly. No competition in terms of which has better narrative qualities. It says a lot when mangakas even admit comic writers are way better than them at writing stories.

[@mscj4710]

This was a badass video

[@guyguy657]

Omg, I loved this video so much. Nice to get some positivity on both sides. You've earned a sub man, keep on going!

[@martianmetal]

Thanks man, that means a lot

[@DestinySpider]

I got a fair number of Spider-Man comics on me, and while I'm too lazy to check now I definitely remember action lines being put to good use, pretty much until the early 2000s I guess. Then at some point they seemingly stopped existing alltogether except for when magical effects or some energy aftertrail is involved

[@batguy39]

MANGOATED 🗿

[@Electricc__]

both are great

[@Ryanhardenn]

Very well articulated

[@misko5877]

Thank you for mentioning Kengan Ashura. It really deserves more recognition!

[@marcusclark1339]

needed a vid topic like this so much of comic side is especially in recent years just weaker, fights lack the oomph because of how little they're utilized, despite being a action genre, the fights feel the weakest part most times not just manga having multiple chapters for a fight, even some monthly manga still manages with that amount of time - there are things to learn but its definitely edging more to manga

[@jaimeruiz7837]

Manga has long since taken over comics… just look up numbers.

[@skullogyse]

I wholeheartedly agree with this video. Thank you for sharing and pointing these differences out. I hope they learn from each other but honestly, it’s going to take some new blood that shows them how

[@martianmetal]

Thanks

[@gavinlopez7302]

What an interesting analysis 👍

[@filipvadas7602]

The best explanation I've heard personally: Comics try to be picturesque and grand, whereas manga tries to actually capture the movement itself. Neither is neccesarily better or worse than the other, its just a slightly different way of getting across the same thing.

[@TheDan14]

that example from dandadan with okarun fighting the xenomorph is actually a super common technique in american comics (maybe most famously daredevil or spiderman acrobatically moving in a panel) idk if we've given it an official name but i've heard it called the de luca effect (named for gianni de luca) or reduplification

[@Troygdesign]

Nice vid😊

[@demiurge2763]

Something I wish comics did was make the fights longer. I understand that there are many reasons for why they aren't that long, but there are some fights that would have been really awesome but only last for a single page or two.

[@martianmetal]

Oh yeah. Being honest i sometimes get surprised and caught off guard when a fight scene in a comic immediately is done. I mainly notice that they’re longer if it’s some large scale event, like if they’re fighting a super big bad like Doomsday or something. I’m sure there are reasons but still.

[@lavenderlynx]

Its because comics characters are usually way more overpowered than manga characters.

[@demiurge2763]

@lavenderlynx imo, the fights are so fast because they need to focus on so many other things as well. There is a LOT of setup they need to do for each comic book event, especially bigger comic book events like Civil War, and arguably more than a manga would need to set up an arc. Not to mention things like Marvel and DC comics try to cater to a wider audience so they can't focus on one thing for too long. They also have to spread out the focus a lot more than mangas since mangas only have to worry about one storyline (for the most part), while comics have to focus on multiple. Imagine if Naruto, Dragonball, One Piece, Ichigo, and My Hero Academia all took place in one universe and regularly interacted with each other. That would be cool, but now you have to worry about SO much more.

[@ericcao6281]

@@lavenderlynx No, it's because most comic fights don't have technique involved. They just punch/blast each other at full strength and it's boring.

[@mr.goblin6039]

The reason for that is because they’re very limited by the number of pages they have to work with. Let’s say you’re writing like 3-4 different titles each month. Every artist you’re working with is working at least 2-3 different books on top of their own indie stuff. There’s pressure to get it done before the month it’s out and the company you work for will not go back to fix some of the issues unless it’s for the trade. Basically: the reason most fights in comics aren’t longer is because they literally don’t have time to make them longer. There’s too much work and not enough people working on it cause the company doesn’t wanna spend more money paying more artists and writers to help out. You will get a few artists who are able to get some great choreography and cool fights in, but most are rushed to get more than one book done every month, sometimes TWICE a month for every title they work for. A lot of people talk about the issues of overworking in the manga industry; not enough talk about it’s just as bad in the American side of things.

[@megaunderflow4076]

Kickass vid! My two cents: Comics often trade the advantages of simplicity for more impressive art styles, especially in the modern day. The most impressive comic books may have hyper realistic art, but it leads to their action scenes looking more like Greek statues dramatically posed around eachother due to there being no attempt at illustrating the *motion.* Now, depending on the comic, sometimes that's necessary. Some comics need a more hyper realistic emphasis to compliment the *story* rather than the action. But stories so nuanced that they call for the prioritization of visual story over visual action- You know, the thing comics are KNOWN for -aren't something you frequently see in modern comics. But the illustration of motion isn't *absent* from western comics. It's simply less common than manga, but I'd go as far as to say that every other comic I read has an illustrated motion blur. Keep in mind that comic artists read manga too, especially younger ones. As the industry advances, we're seeing more and more comic artists takin notes from manga; and it's not like it's new either. An example off the top of my head is Tradd Moore's art in All-New Ghost Rider, which was released *9 years ago* in 2014. His Ghost Rider action scenes do a fantastic job of illustrating not just the speed, but the weight and impact of the character's attacks; and he's a 100% American comic artist. My point is, western comics are traditionally more photo realistic, but that's the extent of it. *Traditionally.* Practically speaking, comics have grown to have just as much artistic variety as manga. Especially in the aesthetic action department. That variety is good, because I still enjoy more traditional comic action scenes still. 1990's comics for example may not illustrate motion as well or as often as manga, but they do have their own unique and satisfying sense of movement.

[@ahnlanz4146]

THANK YOU FOR FEATURING KENGAN, the manga series rlly need recognition, it is rlly rlly good.

[@thesyndrome43]

I'm kind of surprised that you didn't mention 2 of my absolute favourites for action scenes: Berserk and Vagabond. Both not only use impacts and motion lines well, but the choreography is so well thought out in both that you can follow how one attack on one panel leads into the next based on the direction characters are moving or twisting. This kind of forethought from the author into how the characters would move creates a flow and a motion that you can follow. IMO one of the best examples is Guts Vs Zodd on the Hill of Swords from Berserk, I've been tempted to make my own video essay about how good that fight is because of how well it's drawn and planned that the entire fight and all the movements can be seen.

[@n3y]

never scroll down to the comments of a video comparing anything worst mistake of my life surprised you didn't mention the fight scenes in berserk though, shit's hotter than fire

[@martianmetal]

I really wished i did use examples, but for some reason i thought of it while i was editing the video

[@Pickle6432]

Garou vs Saitama is to this day the greatest fight I've ever read. Each chapter improving upon itself and hitting newer highs I didn't think was possible until it all finally reached its absolute climax at the end of chapter 168. When it's animated, it will be the greatest animated fight ever (granted they do a good job animating it).

[@MidnighMurmurs]

Love how you put koga one shotting agito meme when you talked about impact😂

[@Mazwun]

This is a good video 💪🏾

[@ojodeoro1106]

I would never say manga is better than comics but the manga "system" is just so much better for the reader. 1 manga per character/story and an anime soon after if that's your thing. Trying to get into most big comics is just uncomfortable, the best from the west is smaller comics that aren't as overstuffed as something like batman who currently has like 18 sidekicks and allies. Both are great as mediums but the manga industry is just so much nicer

[@martianmetal]

I completely understand and agree. If you wanna get into Demon Slayer, you start at Demon Slayer chapter 1. If you wanna get into the X-men, you gotta read this, to understand this, to understand this. Like I’m getting into DC more and right now i just plan on starting the reading order for Dawn of DC, since it started the beginning of this year. But still, as much as i love both, comics really are just so hard to get into and it really does impact it in a negative way.

[@ojodeoro1106]

@@martianmetal it also tends to feel like a more complete experience; I recently finished demon slayer for example and the satisfaction of actually having an ending is great. That's why I love ultimate Spider-Man so much, he fuckin dies and his story actually gets a conclusion; making the run as whole just come together

[@martianmetal]

@@ojodeoro1106 i completely get what you’re saying. I had such an immense amount of satisfaction reading the end of it. Like i have the satisfaction of reading the end of a Jojo part. Or Full Metal Alchemist. I really want to get into things like alternate marvel universes, or those DC elseworlds, since it’s expected that they would end. Also, didn’t Ultimate Spiderman come back to life? I may be mistaken.

[@ojodeoro1106]

@@martianmetal I don't think he did. We got Myles Morales (for the first time) and then reboot

[@hmhm2281]

1:18 who the hell edited this to make koga look like he's beating kanoh agito am i the only one who noticed

[@iamgood5642]

wait what

[@bananabanana484]

This articulated something I could not describe for the longest time

[@martianmetal]

Thanks i appreciate that

[@jet_yb]

6:05 it really highlights the speed at which these two are farting at

[@nekokoishi]

One is simply not better than the other. But it is just manga being way more popular than comics nowadays.

[@PsychoMagnet]

Overall I love both mediums equally, but I think most manga do fight scenes better because of how stiff some comic action scenes can be. Usually, comic panels aren't as dynamic with the angles and poses, plus some comics pages feel too restricted to small boxes with the motion not being shown well like you said. However, I think the biggest issue is the dialogue. I don't mind reading but there's WAY too much dialogue in some comic fights and it ruins it sometimes. Ten boxes of monologuing on a page is annoying lol. Obviously not every comic is like this and some comics hit harder than manga for me, but yeah the biggest problem is having to read novels during a fight instead of them just showing us the action on its own.

[@biospeed835]

Manga and comics are the same medium.

[@PsychoMagnet]

@@biospeed835 Well yeah but you get what I mean. They both do some things differently.

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

Great video! This one really helped me understand the differences between my favorite manga & comic fights. My favorites are Invincible vs Conquest & Hisoka vs Chrollo from Hxh.