This Internet Debate Is Making Men MAD

[@bridgeotto3320]

The irony of that dude talking about HIS MOM'S experience and trying to use it for his own agenda, his mom actually did an AMA on Reddit where she literally says she carries a gun for men on the trail and has nothing against bears

[@loklok5559]

i handgun wouldnt take a bear down look it up

[@takabikkan]

​​​​@@loklok5559 of course. but the og comment said the mother has a gun for the _men._

[@duck_onYouDuxk]

​​​@@loklok5559she carries the gun for men not bears.

[@egorpozdnyakov8812]

I am so confused. Why are so many men like that? Is there like a special brainwashing type of camp or smth? How can he be soooo blind to the reality of his own mother’s life?

[@tinytortoise1998]

Out of all of the dumb videos of men trying to justify why women should choose a man over a bear, that one really kills me. He literally hijacks a woman's traumatic experience to make it about him and other men. And he's not even right about what she would actually choose!!!

[@callistourseides]

So, fun fact, my aunt happens to be a bear attack survivor. She worked in the woods for most of her life and dealt with wildlife daily. It happened in autumn over 20 years ago, and she unfortunately had to put the bear down to survive, which she found extremely upsetting. I asked her the question. She picked the bear, and added that she'd even pick a bear over deer ticks (she hates parasites). She had hundreds of encounters with bears through her career, and all but one were completely non-threatening. They're mostly big raccoons, and they're terrified of you. They're not nearly as dangerous as people make them out to be. Humans, on the other hand, are very much unpredictable.

[@voidgames645]

Oh wow! Maybe I would pick bear.

[@vernamu.]

Is it known why this bear attacked her?

[@darksidegryphon5393]

Deer ticks are vectors.

[@loyaleling]

That's because she's worked with and knows how to handle bears. The bears are only predictable if you are educated on the topic.

[@takabikkan]

yeah. I feel like theres a lot of stigma against bears, like there is against sharks. and iirc most bear attacks are caused because the bears cubs were close.

[@renawhitlock6752]

not only did they sexually harass that minor for picking them, they immediately switched up on her and started sending her death threats when they found out she's trans. she later admitted in another comment section that she picks the bear now because of the harassment she got, poor girl found out real quick why we pick the bear

[@somik-i3x]

Took a couple of days for creepy men to break the faith in humanity to a teenager. It fit and is depressing as fuck.

[@purpleflowers8723]

And then they wonder why we pick the bear....

[@Saibellus]

honestly i feel like a lot of girls who dont fit in with classic femininity go through a "not like other girls" phase (myself included) that gets brutalized out of them by adulthood

[@LeefLett]

Poor girl. I’m a transfem teen myself and I honestly couldn’t imagine something like that happening to me. Bear 100%

[@Maddie-ft8we]

I’m a transgirl and in my view I’d definitely pick the bear too. Smart girl! And thinking back a lot of my bad experiences I’ve had in my life was from guys.

[@Blu_Jay13]

"The man understands your screams for help, KNOWS what he's doing is WRONG, but continues anyways. Not out of necessity, but pleasure." Quite literal shivers, one of the best lines in this video.

[@JustZal]

Its the morbid truth They're sadistic, and they will do anything to get that sick dopamine rush Bears do it for survival, men do it for pleasure Of course, not all men are like this, but majority are, even people you least expect

[@Tealuq]

Thats 1 in 5 men, vs 9 in 10 bears attacking you

[@nthwrsdmnd6611]

@@Tealuq Saying 1 in 5 men are capable of getting pleasure out of harming anyone is fucking insane, if i understand you right

[@ImagineDroplet]

@@Tealuq great job pulling that statistic out of your ass! it's actually 1 in 2.1 million. bears are skittish and afraid of humans. if it's a black bear, they're even more skittish than a brown or grizzly bear. let alone a sun bear or a sloth bear. those might actually be worrying, but with bears, as long as you yell and make noise, they will go the other way. 1 in 5 men is a huge number of people.

[@idontwannaknow9385]

My mom is not on the internet. A few days ago, someone cleared the overgrown land in front of her house. She said she was happy they did it because she is afraid by the possibility that a man may hide in the tall grass I immediately remembered the bear thing and asked her "You are afraid of the man, but not even the snakes?". She said that a snake could just go away and don't hurt anyone

[@Xeorboom]

snakes are still dangerous, atleast if a man is hiding in the grass it'd be kind of noticable but snakes are too small and stealthy! overall I'd have to pick the man this time because a randomised snake could bite me out of nowhere and I'd die quickly! I love snakes but they are long deadly creatures

[@cohengamertv6548]

Im pretty sure snakes only attack when threatened

[@Quesoquantum]

A snake attack can be avoided by wearing tough plastic boots. Men however

[@idontwannaknow9385]

Yeah, I'm not sure about snake attacks and all that. I just found it interesting that the first thing that comes to her mind every day when she lays eyes on that grass is the possibility of a man hiding inside it. She doesn't even think about snakes or other more likely dangerous things (because, as someone said, a man would still be visible). She instantly fears the man who could be there. This is the society where she grew up. This is the society we live in

[@wuzittooya]

@@Xeorboom Snake in grass > fucking unhinged man in my grass

[@arashu5436]

As a man, I'd say bear too. Why is there a random man in the woods? That's way more suspicious than a bear.

[@Isabelle-hv6ny]

Omg a Man who is not offended

[@feathered_turtle]

saw someone say “if there’s a random bear in the woods it probably lives there, if there’s a random man in the woods he probably followed me there”

[@SnowFlightVA]

Actually that's a good point too, one should be in a forest while the other often doesn't go in it.

[@Transwithhands]

​@@Isabelle-hv6ny Trans guy would also choose the bear😂

[@Lazy_Gay_Man]

Being mauled by a bear is cool compared to what the man would do to you…

[@alirentzios5279]

Someone said, "I'd rather a bear kills me to feed itself and it's cubs than to feed a man's sick fantasies."

[@sarajaksic2928]

the way i gasped at this comment..

[@Smoobiedoobie]

Great way of thinking I’d much rather have a bear kill me bc it was hungry then a man bc hopefully he wouldn’t try to eat me

[@crystalbuffaloe]

The reasons a bear kills, 1. It was trying to protect its cubs 2. It was starving enough to attack a dangerous target that it wouldn’t normally hunt Both are instinctual, justifiable, have nothing to do with who you are, and will serve a purpose. Reasons a man would attack someone, They don’t get why it’s wrong and think(or know) they won’t be punished Never justified, never necessary and leave someone permanently traumatized or dead.

[@pearlangeline]

​@@crystalbuffaloe Pretty sure by 2024 all men know attacking a woman is wrong they just don't give AF.

[@TiltedGlassesMedia]

Whoever said that probably secretly has a death wish.

[@WilliamSebren]

Gay man here and I'm choosing the bear every time. My ex-fiance wrecked me. I was raped, poisoned, beaten, cheated on, emotionally manipulated, and psychologically tortured by him. I do recognize that I don't really fit in to the context of the video as a whole, but my experience has framed for me exactly what was said in the video. I trusted, believed, and hoped that he was a good guy. I moved to another country and relied on him to help me understand the language, pay for things, and have a place to live. I saw the blank stare in his eyes as he strangled his elderly father in front of me. I felt the utter lack of remorse as he punched me in the head for making him stop. It was all calculated over the course of two or three years. Everything built up to a year long nightmare where I started to question my own sanity. He had me conditioned to fear being too happy or too excited. He stole parts of me I'll never get back. And yes, on the rare occasion he felt anything at all - he enjoyed it. I'm picking the goddamn bear.

[@C_Ow]

I'm sorry for what happened to you... I hope you'll recover from this 🫂

[@EYE-Y51BALES]

You didn't desserve that❤

[@mangopeachpie]

​@@LagGawdW-what?

[@Trixabella87]

Making a whole freaking creepypasta creature in response to women saying they would feel safer with a bear than a man is WILD

[@toxihex876]

Honestly, I can see someone who just wants to be edgy making it for the sake of being edgy and using this because it's a popular thing.

[@cawingcrows2072]

Shame it was used to be awful to people, it looked kinda cool :(

[@JCArules13]

@@toxihex876no excuse though!

[@ninjamantis8309]

Legit what do you mean i am confuse and out of the loop

[@alwaysforgetful1089]

I'd still choose the creepypasta creature tbh. That shit looked amazing.

[@michellel.659]

Men have also spent my entire life warning me about men. “Guys only want one thing”, “No don’t go out with him, he’s sketchy”, “Do not drink with dudes, you don’t know what will happen”. Why are they surprised women believed them?

[@voidatethesun]

There’s literally a stereotype of the ‘overprotective dad’ that fears for his daughters safety…not from the world, but from OTHER MEN!! If they’re this self aware why the hell are they mad that we’re cautious ???

[@R.W.P.]

@@voidatethesunnot the same dudes

[@TiltedGlassesMedia]

@@voidatethesun There's a line between "caution" and "paranoia". That stereotype is quite literally meant to be a joke.

[@anushkaverma2203]

"its not that i dont trust you babe its that i dont trust other men cause i know how they think" ok umm eww???

[@vickiepunkin03]

@voidatethesun well something I don't understand is the way you're talking about men like they are all one collective and that they all do the same things and/or can rightly be held responsible for *each other's* actions rather than each individual held responsible for their own because a person's own actions are all they can control

[@SavSmith-qm5nt]

The man who mentioned Jeffery Dahmer seems to forget that Dahmer was gay

[@lil_mis_smiles]

That and only went after men, I think?

[@leah6820-y9v]

@@lil_mis_smiles Yep. Only men.

[@FG-tu4fq]

@@lil_mis_smiles They hate women so much they turned "bros before hoes" literally

[@AD-dg3zz]

I thought it was unclear if he was truly gay or not. But either way, he did exclusively target men. Maybe they meant to say Ted Bundy? 😂

[@Tenkoshimura_Z]

I agree. But he was a killer anyway, and he's literally dead???

[@mothpartiez1111]

“man or bear?” me: “bear” “but your a man.” im a boy. my abuser was a man. bear.

[@xauidcy]

horrible, hope you recovered

[@AllBiMyself-t9w]

People are fucked up, I’m gender fluid, if you said woman or bear I d say bear, man or dear, I’d pick bear, becuse he bear wouldn’t rate me, the woman or man might. The fact I can say this is heart breaking, and I’m sorry this happened to you, no, not sorry, that makes you a victim, your a a strong survivor who faced a horrible experience and ca,e out of it as a fuck you. I don’t know what your life is like, I don’t know if you plan to hang yourself tonight. But you went through shit no one should have to and acme out if it, do know your strong enough to get through it, and that makes you better than many people.

[@starfishthrower486]

I’m so sorry that happened to you.

[@emilycampbell5798]

❤️‍🩹🧸

[@venturerweegee64]

This is the other reason I as a lady would pick the bear. If men are in the same situation, there’s always the same threat. I’m so sorry you went through that, I wish you nothing but the best.

[@StarkRavenMad88]

2 weeks ago a man in his 80s walked by and said, "Im passing by you, didnt want to scare you. Hope you have a good day." I said, "I spotted you way back over there, i keep an eye on every man i can see." We chatted awhile about women's experiences with men. Im 46 it was the first time in my life a man had taken any care or awarenesss of his impact on a woman standing alone. It was refreshing. Feel like he had a granddaughter who had the man vs bear convo recently. It was touching as hell.

[@kookie_2178]

He sound like a sweet man ❤

[@picklebulge6478]

You keep an eye on every man you see..wow chill out.

[@dunemae]

⁠@@picklebulge6478Better safe than sorry.

[@tazlen_]

@@picklebulge6478you’ve got issues

[@AGW99-df3yg]

​@@dunemae doing that in some neighborhoods will make you racist just so you know

[@1WildArtist]

Might I add, the guy who's mom wrote a book on being attacked by a bear said on a reddit thread that even she would choose the bear.

[@Io-ver]

she should've put this in the video 😭

[@Yoroiful]

What does this prove? That women don't learn?

[@1WildArtist]

@Yoroiful no, that he needs to stop using his mom as some kind of excuse. He is in the wrong. It isn't all men, no. It's all women. We have to worry about being attacked constantly because we don't know which men are the good ones. They pretend to be friends, family even, but that doesn't garentee they're to He trusted. Ask my 30 y/o cousin who m*lested me at 8.

[@lepjagman]

​@@1WildArtistDo women interact with bears at anywhere near the frequency they interact with men?

[@eclipseatsea]

@@lepjagman no, because bears don't want to interact with humans. Like a big majority of animals, they are scared of humans because we are something extremely unknown to them. There's very few animals that actively would hunt a human being, we've never been preys. It's clear that you're missing the point on purpose. Just use your empathy skills

[@Smiley_Fruitcake]

I feel horrible for men who are victims who have their experiences used as weapons against women. It's disgusting to use victims trauma to silence other victims

[@jeanivanjohnson]

they silence me.

[@adrenalineactivate]

Yeah. Imagine being a man who got 🍇 and only being acknowledged whenever it's about women whose been 🍇. Just to be little a women experience. It's like, their only existence matters when it's to put other victim/women down. I never seen a subreddit about men 🍇. Its only ever mention whenever the main topic is about women 🍇. Really shows how much other men really 'care' about their fellow male victims.

[@anakhavytla8141]

And they are the same people who shame male victims

[@jam5533]

It's pretty much a punch in the face for your own trauma to be weaponized like this to silence other victims..

[@idkanymore488]

Yeah that's really gross when people do that

[@eagl3ye]

As a man, it actually saddens me that these women answered this way with such complete sincerity. It helps put in perspective what women deal with on a daily basis. This isn’t an attack on masculinity - it’s a comment on the dangers of corrupted masculinity. This should be something we learn from and not be offended by. Be a man and treat women and girls with respect. Help propagate a society where half the population can feel safe and included.

[@Liliarthan]

Thank you!

[@Silver_Prussian]

No it doesnt, they are guided by unfounded fears and answear like this because they have been conditioned to. Let me put them in the same room with bear and dude and see which ones more hostile. I mean since they are so sure and sincere

[@xbox4528]

​@@Silver_Prussian the situation changes completely when you change the setting from deep in the forest to a regular room. Especially if YOU put them in there. The room is a relatively comtrolled and safe environment. However, a forest is completely isolated with no chance of someone hearing screams of help. Too many of the girls in my life have been sexually harassed or worse and it sickens me to think what a strange man in the forest could do when they find a girl and are completely isolated from society and wont be held accountable for their actions.

[@Silver_Prussian]

@xbox4528 no it doesnt the setting has nothing to do with it whether you are in close off year or not mean nothing the points I made still stand. You are within a certain distance of a bear so the only thing that will change is that its gonna take a few seconds for the bear to catch you and maul you to death. The room is also isolated environment and who says the walls arent soundproof ? You are argueing that the average man is far more dangerous than the average bear which is insane.

[@Silver_Prussian]

@xbox4528 Anything these days can be called sexually harassment, from giving a woman a glance at the skimpy outfit she herself has chosen to to simply making her a compliment.

[@luissoriano8850]

Somewhere I heard an argument along the lines "when you go to the shooting range the first thing they tell you is to treat every gun as if it were loaded... That's the same way women see men" that clicked

[@Moogithetitan]

I know it's really sad how all men are treated like their rapists but I guess if that's what keeps people safe then it's for the better.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@Moogithetitan It's funny how they get upset over it, when all they have to do is prove themselves safe via action and sentiment. Their focusing on normal caution just cements them as not worthy of trust.

[@Moogithetitan]

@@VelaiciaCreator I know but it's still kind of sad that there's a group of people who get treated like criminals by default.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@Moogithetitan I regularly get distrustful stares because I'm photosensitive, always wearing sunglasses, a mask and a black cloak with the hood up. Sure, it bothers me, but I'm the one giving off the vibes they respond to. I acknowledge that. People need to stop being so effing self-centred that they can't recognize the vibes they are giving off.

[@Moogithetitan]

@@VelaiciaCreator that's not what I'm saying though. you're in a fringe situation where you're forced to act in a way thats suspicious but as a man we got those potential r*pists vibes by default no matter what we do. How come we can recognize that it's wrong to prejudge someone based on the colour of their skin no matter the crime statistics yet we can't do the same for sex. I hate to bring up racism as a comparison but the principle of prejudgment on a group being wrong needs to be remembered.

[@emilyresch3835]

"If I survive the bear attack, I wont have to see the bear at family reunions." "No one will say I liked the bear attack." "No one will talk about the bear's bright future." "A bear wouldn't film it and send it to all his friends." "A bear wouldn't hold his hand over my mouth and brag about what he did to the entire school the next week." "If I scream loud enough the bear might actually run off." "Nobody would defend the bear." "No one would ask what I was wearing when the bear attacked me." "The bear wouldn't take my tampon out while I was unconscious."

[@bloodyrosary]

Retweet :3

[@candied_co]

Also when a bear attacks a person they are literally killed to protect other people from also becoming victims. when men attack women, only 6% will ever be convicted.

[@nahhitsnotnys]

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[@kittalinequeen8281]

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[@slyar]

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[@eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh]

I'm from Finland. A few days ago, a 15-year-old girl was found r*ped and k*lled in the woods. Suspect is an adult man. What does one of our most well known caricature artist do? He draws a caricature, relating to the incident, about a girl encountering a bear in the woods and feeling relief that it was not a man. Keep in mind that he does this a couple days after the girl was found (in the woods). Best case scenario is that the picture has a very unfortunate timing. Worst case scenario is that he's poking fun at the incident. And then they wonder why we would choose the bear.

[@TheGhostofAbigailMills]

Yet another reason to choose the bear: the bear won't make a mockery of your gruesome death, but a man sure will.

[@CeeGeeFursuits]

Those caricatures are drawn the day/morning before It was not unfortunate timing

[@eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh]

@@CeeGeeFursuits thanks for the clarification. I was trying to be hopeful about his intentions, but once again we are let down

[@amrivail]

Iltasanomilta oli tosi paska temppu toi. Valitten karhun

[@ironman_546]

​@@eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehIt might have been social commentary. "This is why women pick the bear" kinda thing. Not a mockery but a comment

[@tokki_97]

SOMEBODY FINALLY SAID IT. Also there was a quote somewhere on pinterest: "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them".

[@JustZal]

The fact that the difference is public humiliation compared to possible death is insane

[@Tealuq]

Not all men are the same, men who say they are afraid women will laugh dont sa.

[@KrisJimenez-y9j]

"No one would think i led the bear on." "No one would question my history with other bears." "No one would ask me, what i was doing out so late around the bear." "The bear could never get me pregant, and then, make me fear not having a choice." "The bears money could not get him out of trouble." "I would not be shamed by the public for surviving a bear attack." "My religious family will not refer to me as damaged goods if i survive." A bear only gets one chance to hurt me, and when its done its done...its not statistically likely that it will happen to me again. Bear attacks are rare." "I know once im dead, the bear would leave my body alone."

[@glimmerlarue7382]

Never even considered the "once im dead" part. Statistics for male employees and morgues just came to mind...

[@LuBloome]

This is actually insane. Especially that last one, holy fuck, that's horrifying

[@sherlockwho5714]

I mean you were carrying smoked salmon :) But yeah the bear is safer

[@lisao7600]

I live in a very rural area with a forest in my backyard where there are sometimes bears that show up. The thing is, the bear will most likely run the opposite direction and leave me alone when it sees me. Men that get mad that we don't want to come across a man while we are alone in the forest don't realize that it's not them personally. It's just that so many men are creepy how are we to know by looking which one will help us find our way out of the woods and which one will try to put his hand down our pants even when you ask him to stop. That happened to me when I was a young woman. I was stuck in a pick up truck on a backroad with a couple friends and two guys. We were on our way back from a trip to go swimming at a creek in the woods. No matter what I tried the dude would not get his hand out of my shorts on my bare whooha. Was it my fault for wearing a bathing suit? Edit to add, these guys were supposed to be our "friends"...if we can't even trust men who are our supposed friends how can we trust men who are strangers. It's for sure not All men, or even close to all men, but it's a lot of men, and we don't know which ones they are.

[@Ladiofthewoods]

​@@lisao7600I am incredibly sorry that happened to you. Much ❤

[@MegaLpso]

It's literally a common thing where fathers are protective of their daughters and hate their male partner because they automatically assume that they are bad/dangerous because their a man. Fathers literally admit this to their daughters, including mine.

[@catandrobbyflores]

Heck, my grandpa took my boyfriend now husband aside and told him "remember I'm a trained killer," when my boyfriend told me that I thought it was really out of character but I know why he said it.

[@lali5416]

@@hawtsauce1122 their daughters' male partners...

[@fauna5328]

​@@catandrobbyfloresGOD boomers and gen x fathers LOOOOOVE pretending they're some kind of trained scary killer. Like they're OBSESSED with sounding badass they always do the whole " I know how to hide a body 😈" it's fucking cringe, nobody thinks you sound badass guys

[@lexa2310]

Yeah,my dad too. My mom was literally drugged once as a teen but its my dad who demands a call every few hours If meet with a male friend. He has repeatedly forbidden me from taking walks in the woods alone (we dont even have bears, wolves, or venomous snakes here.) He is very aware how dangerous men can be. Its probably why nothing really bad ever happened to me. A friend of mine wasnt so lucky.

[@AdaireKrickets]

​​@@lexa2310 Because they were in the locker rooms when other men admitted/bragged about the horrible things they've done to women. It was acceptable then, but now that these fathers have a connection to their daughters (probably realizing that woman are people.) Do they start to care.

[@Gentleman_Nebula]

Lets call atention to the fact that most male victims of SA were assaulted by men

[@vantayuri]

Exactly, which is why the male equivalent to the man vs. bear question should not be woman vs. bear but rather still man vs. bear. I'm sure men would not want to be in the woods with a male stranger (or any stranger tbh) either.

[@xilj4002]

*reported Reported SA. Or admitted SA maybe. Men seriously underreport women assaulting them because of the whole "that kid was lucky with that hot teacher" thing

[@Indira-minuaga]

Damn as someone who got that experience without CONCENT as a child gotta say bears all the way~

[@Gentleman_Nebula]

@@xilj4002 I'm not saying it doesn't happen just that the majority are men violating men

[@6Blackcat9]

@@vantayuriI would never want to be in the woods

[@CopperPenny53]

Bro this reminds me of when my grade 8 teacher told my class that boys and girls can’t be friends because “men can’t control themselves”. As a 13 year old girl at the time, even I knew that was complete idiocy at its finest, one of my best friends is a boy and I have no interest in him in a romantic way. Oh yeah, also at 13 boys followed me home saying they were gonna r@pe me and put cameras in my pool as a “fun little joke” ohhhh my family was fuming.

[@CopperPenny53]

Sorry, that last one happened to me when I was 12 actually. I don’t know how to edit a message 😂

[@venturerweegee64]

@@CopperPenny53on mobile, it’s the 3 dots on the side. On desktop, I think you can right click, but there should be similar options when you hover your mouse over. Hope this helps!

[@random_dumass]

Wow that kids future was as bright as the inside of a black hole

[@Hearts4kazuhei]

as a western canadian, they literally tell children in school that bears are not exactly harmful if you don’t provoke them. men are provoked by women doing literally nothing 😃

[@Hearts4kazuhei]

to clarify something! not all bear attacks are provoked, but a lot are!

[@Batz-on-paws]

​@@Hearts4kazuhei yeah, most of the time if a bear is in the woods you won't even know unless it makes itself known, and that's usually by leaving and making noise, if you're even close enough to hear it. They don't want to deal with us lol

[@ethankiter9323]

Just look at them reacting to Taylor Swift

[@MoronicPlague]

Fr? OH MY GOD, UR A WOMAN!? >:O *Physically assults you in 404 ways bcuz I guess that's what folks do now*

[@kiarablack5349]

​@@Batz-on-paws Yep, bears go out of their way to avoid humans. Most people who've been in the deep woods have probably been in the forest with a bear without even knowing, because the bear doesn't want to interact with people.

[@riarivera5995]

Bear vs woman? This man IMMIDIETLY assumed he was in a relationship with the woman. Mate, its a RANDOM woman. A random woman you may have no relation to. The fact you can assume you'd be together shows you aren't actually afraid for your safety. Yiu can always make more money, heartbreak will heal and you can survive divorce. Some women and girls will never see their families or loved ones again. Theres no recovery for them, they have no future to worry about. Because they were killed and most likely raped.

[@teletubbiesharvest5615]

god you're right I didn't even consider that he just assumed that

[@wasnlos2676]

He couldn't even fanthom that it may be a woman he's not attracted to. So wild. He's afraid of having to get a divorce or losing money while women are afraid of being raped, tortured and/or killed.

[@frenzy2061]

I never even picked up on that wow. Why do so many men just view women as essentially just 'things they can date' as opposed to being fully fledged people that can exist outside of them.

[@michaelmcninch425]

@@frenzy2061 A variety of cultural reason and taught behaviors ingrained into us from a young age. Remember that - unlike what a lot of these chuckle nuts wanna believe (when its convenient to them anyway) - men are trained to think this way - its not some natural aspect of just being a man. A lot of media also paints it that way due to said culture. These men are convinced of this because - even if only passively - this is what they are told women are for. Therefore almost every women is viewed through the lens of what the man desires - it's also why so many guys act confused that woman would dress up or wear makeup or even act in a certain way including having hobbies for any reason outside of winning a man.

[@firemaiden029]

accusing a person to be a gold digger usually do not have a gold to dig, was my actual thought when that guy said those things about bear vs. women lol

[@Unlesstheworldendsthengoodluck]

"Have fun being mauled by a bear" So they assume the worst of a bear, but don't you dare assume the worst of a man?

[@YOURISAWHAT_2841]

THIS!! They literally demonize bears when bear attacks are rare while there are hundreds of cases of abusers in a year ;-;

[@augustusfreeman4032]

​@@GobDob The first part of your comment contradicts the rest of it. Even when people encounter bears the bear is still most likely to leave that person alone. And since you love making up scenarios to prove a point, answer this: If you were alone in the woods in your cabin, would you rather see a bear outside or a man? Answer honestly.

[@kirbyjoe7484]

If you are out wandering in the forest you are FAR more likely to be attacked by another human, most likely male, than a bear. The numbers aren't even close. It's over a hundred times more likely. The question is obviously rage bait, but people are idiots if they fear bear attack more than an attack by a fellow human.

[@L0G1CAdittion]

​​​@@GobDob please put into the perspective that some women cannot fight back, science also proves an average healthy man is much more physically fitter then an average healthy women

[@YTVanZD]

​@@GobDobNews flash, different men also have different levels of aggression😂 Is it ideal to be stuck in the woods with a bear? Obviously not. You're missing the point. No one here is delulu enough to believe a bear is not dangerous. But a random bear is much less dangerous to a woman than a random man (statistically speaking). You can argue about the accuracy or skewness of these statistics and how applicable they are to this hypothetical scenario all you want... Even if women are choosing a bear based on their perception of lower threat instead of 'reality', the whole point of this discussion is why this perception exists in women's minds. Let me tell you, it's not because they are uneducated about bears🙄

[@Radical_Starz]

I'm a trans man. I was bullied for two whole years in middle school for this, but none of the girls who bullied me ever said they were going to assault me. It was only the boys, who most definitely learned that from grown men.

[@SamiRamio]

شخص مثلك لاسف لا يمكن ان يبني حضارة

[@sirius1696]

I'm a man and I totally get why women are picking the bear. Just today I saw an post about a man who killed his "wife" after "walking in" on her with "another man". She had separated with him over a year ago after _he_ cheated on _her_ and taken out a restraining order against him because he was physically abusive; so he put spyware on his daughter's iPad, waited for when the woman had her friend over, used a copy of the house key he made to break into the house and murder her and the other guy. The comments were full of men saying she totally had it coming and justifying the femicide. A lot of men are normal, pleasant people to be around but also a lot of men are sick, terrifying individuals. It's so scary out here for women fr

[@hellsbells-b9r]

It's also just monstrous because even if he didn't cheat before or wasn't abusive, how is this a normal response? I'm all for revenge but you're just fucking killing someone. That daughter must hate him so much.

[@acheetah6762]

@@hellsbells-b9r hate how guys always back up men in scenarios like these: "well, she must've done SOMETHING to deserve it 😂" "she probably took all his money and the kids". even IF she did these things, no deserves to die because of it.

[@FranconiaForever]

@@karahoglund Are you being this dense on purpose?

[@hannahleigh6152]

​@@FranconiaForeverWhat do you mean? A bear wouldn't stalk you and wait till you're having sex to murder you.

[@rainpooper7088]

@vivi5771 Unfortunately, in most cases like that, the children end up trauma-attaching themselves to the murderer parent who killed other one, claiming their daddy is innocent and whatnot, because they can't bear to lose both parents, so they end up idealizing the murderer who's left.

[@bread-gz3rl]

I mean, as a dude id take the bear too. Mainly because the last time i found a random dude in the woods i almost got stabbed and the last time i found a bear it just fucked up the tailgate on the truck i paid -50$ for

[@ShibaStruck]

Damn hope your ok

[@memory.3015]

Jesus christ I hope you’re good now dude

[@vitisvinifera1590]

@@bread-gz3rl I'm sorry you went through that...

[@FlyingFox86]

Is the truck okay?

[@Giga_Ratt]

How’d you get a truck for 50 bucks?

[@kkhagen2170]

As a women who has been in the woods with bears and men the man has tried to attack me 3+ times. The 50+ bears who have cornered me by mistake have done nothing. The men corned me because they wanted to hurt me. The bears wanted berries. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

[@kkhagen2170]

I have been surrounded by 16 bears at one time. 10 50 feet in front of my 6 100 feet behind me. They did nothing. I have been followed by well over 10 men in my time but 3 have tried to assault me. My dog bit at them and they screamed at me over and over until I took my bear spray out. So yeah….. I have used bear spray on men more than bears …… that says everything ……

[@I_Burnt_the_toast]

So TLDR: bears are chill if they want some berries, nice :)

[@MoronicPlague]

Bullshit, are you a zoo keeper? Why do you keep invading private bear space? Leave them alone, don't come near wild life, isn't disrubting wild life illegal? I mean, you'd have to somehow attract the bears to coner you. I doubt you have meet even 2 bears, what so ever 50.

[@cawingcrows2072]

​@@kkhagen2170 GOOD DOG!! Also yea i hear ab bear spray being used on people much more than bears tbh

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

@@I_Burnt_the_toastsuddenly, per bears are sounding a lot more feasible

[@rhopalosera9772]

Let's also call attention to the fact that male victims are overlooked BECAUSE of the society the MEN created. I was more accepted by feminists when sharing my experience getting molested than by men who claimed that I wasn't "man enough" or that since it was a girl, I should have liked it

[@LordofdeLoquendo]

Society created by both MEN and WOMEN. You glossing over women’s power and pretending it does not exist does not make it suddenly disappear.

[@broses9038]

I’m a male. I was sexually assaulted by two men. They’re straight men, and it wasn’t for their sexual gratification or because they “just couldn’t help themselves.” It was deliberate and simply to prove that they could do anything that they wanted to me. But, because time passes and cognitive dissonance is a bitch, my girlfriend brought the bear thing up a while back and I got defensive and instantly spouted the “not all men” argument. It took me a while to come to terms with the fact that, given the choice, I’d also choose bear.

[@ArissaHaque]

Oh god i am so, so sorry to hear that. I really hope you’re doing much better and remember, its wasn’t your fault

[@coffindweller.]

Honestly it's already an admirable thing that you can actually acknowledge the issue at hand, you're doing great and I wish you the best.

[@amarissilas810]

God are you okay, honestly i hope they ended up paying for it even if they already have.

[@midnight_blu3]

i'm so so sorry for what happened to you. I wish you all the peace and healing of the world :C i hope you're safe now. Also thank you for taking a deeper thought into the question about the bear thing! Wish you the best, buddy

[@iiCLOAK_0000]

I’ve been molested as a child by a woman, I’d choose the bear over a woman

[@Angelina_1111]

"a bear would hurt me because it thinks I'm dangerous, a man would hurt me because he knows im not" damn.

[@insomnolant6043]

Bears aren't thinking that. They want food.

[@KrunchWorld]

​@@insomnolant6043Depends on the bear

[@SirHorned19]

@@KrunchWorld It also depends on the man... Its just a weird overgeneralization.

[@Rubatose]

@@insomnolant6043 Bears rarely attack humans to eat them. They attack them for territorial reasons, or because a human has come between a mother and her cubs. And even if a bear is desperate for food, and attacks and kills me to eat me, at least then it will be more quick, more dignified, and more *justified* than what a man could potentially do to me.

[@keepingitreal727]

Damn this open my eyes I was on the other side thinking why the hell a women would choose a bear but now I understand thx

[@kittencomicslol]

The guy whose mother wrote a book about being mauled by a bear actually made a tweet herself, and she said she would pick the bear even after her attack.

[@Known_ErrorMe]

Sad :(

[@Irreverent9]

No way!! Hhhhhh

[@UnkownWonders]

Hope she also grounded his ass for this bs

[@virustheglitch9836]

Family dinners must be so awkward for them

[@jenicacrous3568]

😭😭

[@tetsupannn]

The most frustrating part about hypotheticals like these are that the men who are offended just refuse to listen. Im tired of seeing their takes. Im tired of explaining to them with statistics and logic. Im tired of having to explain myself when they clearly dont care about understanding the core of the issue.

[@Silver_Prussian]

Where are the statics and logic here ? Ohh yeah really f*cked up logic and misuse of statistics to confirm your already existing bias. Heres the problem with this hypothetical scenario it falls apart real quick when another one is offered, lets leave you in room with a bear and dude and see which ones more dangerous.

[@teejaykaye]

The last time someone was killed by a bear in my home state was in *1784.* The last time someone was killed by a man in my home state was *earlier this month.* Boy howdy I wonder which one is the safer bet.

[@jacforswear18]

Yepp. I lived in a community with carnivorous bears (polar bears) that came into town all summer. They are aggressive and incredibly dangerous. In the three years I lived there no one was attacked by a bear. The same cannot be said for people being assaulted.

[@finding_fae]

​@@jacforswear18 6 total deaths as the result of fatal bear attacks between Canada AND the USA for the entire year of 2023. I don't even want to look at the other numbers because I know I'll get upset, especially as that's only going to include reported cases. Bear attacks don't go unreported :(

[@pissapocalypse]

A bear has never tried to rape me in my own house during a Bible study when I was 6

[@richard7423]

The average person is vastly more likely to come into contact with a man than a bear...

[@paulinafirestone7868]

​@richard7423 So? Bears are predictable. There are common tactics for interacting in a way that doesn't provoke them, tailored to the bear's species so they are likely to work. Men aren't predictable. They can get 'provoked' aka offended just by women existing in peace. And there is no one tactic that can make a man leave you alone.

[@kirolee9345]

I went on a trip recently, my first solo trip. The very first day, I couldn’t even walk a block away from my hotel without a man following me. He followed me for two or three blocks, tried to grab me to lead me to a second location, and only left me alone when I lied and said I was going to meet friends. When I went home, and I told my family about it, instead of “I’m sorry that happened to you”, I got, “why didn’t you go into a store? Why weren’t you carrying paper spray? Why didn’t you call 911? What were you wearing?”. Even my therapist asked those. This is why women choose the bear. If I were to return from my trip and say “I almost got attacked by a bear”, I’d just receive “I’m so sorry! That must have been scary.”

[@concept5631]

Sorry you went through that.

[@biscuitsfrombidita]

I hope you're in a better situation now, and I wish that these incidents never happen to you ever again

[@jingle1833]

I'm so sorry that happened to you hun, and also sorry that you got such an incompetent therapist. That's the last thing you'd expect from a person who's supposed to help you with trauma, not give you trauma!

[@jeanivanjohnson]

me me me

[@perpetualsick]

@@jeanivanjohnsonthat’s what stories are like, babe. what’s the confusion?

[@Sugar_Crash1]

Fun fact! The one dude who said "Erm actually my Mom was attacked by a bear, so I'd say people who picked the bear are privileged" His mom did a Reddit AMA A bit after the bear attack. His Mom was asked the bear or man question. She chose the bear

[@SilverAceOfSpades]

I feel bad for laughing at "she chose the bear" I fully understand why she chose the bear and I would choose the bear.

[@33melonpaws77]

That's funny but also what a little shit of a son

[@sunnydays07]

I hope she shamed her son for his decisions, and that he learns not to use his mother's trauma to push his views on “women being weird”

[@caro0605]

But the post is 11 years old. How was she supposed to be asked that question if it just came up now?!

[@dabdabthethird2410]

Ontop of that she also said dealing with the insurance and healthcare was worse then the attack

[@angelcitystudio]

Same guys who said "Your body, my choice"....

[@xauidcy]

like, if your going to go on a RANT about how woman are so rude for picking a bear over a man that could hurt them, atleast show some RESPECT for people who pick the man?! p1sses me off.

[@emilyjohn2034]

My favorite part of the “not all men” thing is that not a single guy says that to the dads who tell their daughters it’s all men. My dad told me as soon as I got into high school to be suspicious of ALL MEN and that ALL MEN want the same thing, he was suspicious of ANY MAN I was friends with or dated and would assume ALL MEN if I was around a strange man. You cannot blame woman when their fathers have drilled this into their heads their entire lives, we have to assume all men because THATS WHAT THE MEN SAY, if men are telling us all men think that way of course we will believe it

[@mirandapanda5439]

It's no different than the "not all cops" shit.

[@michaelmitchel3471]

What is all men? It feels like your trying to use the same words as proof without understanding it's a different context

[@BelleDraws-i5d]

​@@AGW99-df3yg damn boy, have you been doing stretches? Because that's such a reach😉

[@AGW99-df3yg]

@@BelleDraws-i5d woman is victimized in some way, man tells her a way to avoid it in the future, woman says she "shouldn't have to" and that men should just stop doing bad things. you're right, that totally never happens.

[@BelleDraws-i5d]

@@AGW99-df3yg that's because it's a useless advice. If I'm told not to go out at night or wear provocative clothing, that still doesn't mean other women are safe. If not me, another woman out there is being assaulted. If we want to put a stop to it, we should focus on the real problem which are the perpetrators

[@Falsehooddiaries]

Steve Irwin quote says it all fellas. Crocodiles are easy, they try to kill and eat you. People are harder. Sometimes they try to be your friend first.

[@VOMITQUEEN]

Intelligence and manipulation can be very frightening things.

[@MegaFanOfTpotAndBfb]

also how come i went on yt shorts but it put my comments here

[@nikijames21]

People would believe you if you were attacked by a bear.

[@AmaltheaTheLast]

At least they wouldn't ask what you were wearing when it attacked you…

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

Well the maimed and half-eaten remains wouldn't leave much room for doubt.

[@Lively_Cha0s]

@@Cyborg_Lenin nor would the results of a rape kit.

[@agenderpersonwholovescheese]

ate

[@CrustyCatPlayz]

Yes but it’s a regular Joe why would you pick a BEAR ROAR

[@Sxmply_Leaf]

3:11 as a weeb, I saw bsd and I was like YIPPEE!!! But then the text was unblurred… 😭

[@depressedlonelydoodles]

bsd mention but at what cost😞😞

[@mebread2.0]

We don't claim that mf 😭

[@mimmidauria5405]

my 48 year old italian, conservative, catholic mom, who is very much not a feminist nor was she aware of this debate on the internet prior, was asked the same question by my brother (in hopes that she would respond with “man”, to prove his point to me) and she legit said bear. it just shows how much of a universal experience womanhood is regarding being legitimately scared of men, especially random ones you might find in the woods…

[@harenohisugarwave]

How did ur brother react lol

[@LeadrynMcKrotch]

My dad is a boomer and pretty traditional and conservative(we fight a lot) but Even he said Bear. Especially after he confirmed it was just a random guy he doesn't know. He was like nah

[@jeanivanjohnson]

PEOPLE ARE EATING LIES

[@LeadrynMcKrotch]

I should also mention that he's a veteran and has the unfortunate experience of not even being able to trust a random child. So he can definitely understand not being able to trust a random man

[@Seoul_Soldier]

I was raised not to trust strangers. I don't get why this is suddenly a bad thing.

[@imauburnme]

A bear won't be in my chemistry class after assaulting me for hours. A bear won't be the reason I switch colleges and lose any sense of self I had. A bear will either ignore or kill me. A man would do and has done much worse.

[@MulberrySeason]

I'm sorry.

[@shaynestanz1]

I hope that person encounters a less than friendly bear.

[@fortmacmom3122]

I’m so sorry

[@AmarisFrede]

My heart goes out to you, I hope you can heal. I wish everyone you meet believes you. ❤‍🩹🌱

[@ObieDobieZoomer]

I hope those creeps got their just desserts

[@Damientouchedgrass]

When Any single trend where women open up about their negative experiences with men gets popular there are men that literally show why trends like it become popular and keep happening

[@iiCLOAK_0000]

Ironically same with women, when the “soft guy era” was a trend women got all mad about it

[@djotchuiangela9955]

​@@iiCLOAK_0000 what is a soft guy area I never heard about and I am a woman, this sound but cool to have a soft guy friend

[@roxassora2706]

​@@iiCLOAK_0000and other lies men tell themselves volume 2000

[@mitsuris_dango675]

Every time I hear stuff like this, it just reminds me of when I was in around kindergarten by 5-6 years old. By that time, it became apparent that it is not safe as a child and that it was even less safe as a little girl. I don’t remember my mother teaching me about defending myself, but I remember seeking it out myself. Hearing about how my voice was one of the most important things, scratch the eyes, ears, throat, groin, getting DNA evidence under your nails and whatever happens, DO NOT GO TO THAT SECOND LOCATION because then the chance you get found is slim to none and that if you die right there fighting, it’s better than getting to what they have planned. One of the strongest examples of how much that effected me was the fact that for a few years, I carried a flashlight with me in my little pink purse because I saw that if needed, a flashlight could crack a skull (they used a coconut for demonstration). I didn’t tell my parents why, but I had a habit for being over-prepared, so I just said it was in case the power went out.

[@katiscool34]

It is so silly that men say how could she pick a bear over men, after we have been taught to avoid men, sold pepper spray and protection for our drinks, told to not go out when it's dark, stay on the phone with someone if they do, told to leave hair and fingerprints in Ubers, leave men's boots outside their houses, audios are made if your uber driver is creeping you out, and God forbid if something does happen to you, its what we're you wearing, maybe they misread you, did you say no loud enough, are you sure that's what happened, i know him, hes not mean to me.

[@Luni-ew9qw]

Fr. "If you are not careful its your fault, but if you are careful im offendet and how can you assume im a meany? Cant you look in my head and see im nice?"

[@Winnie589]

And these things are told to us BY MEN. Like why u getting so mad.

[@MoronicPlague]

Yh, a woman can't hurt you. (Fck the logic that both parties have free will and dangerous abilities if incorrectly raised)

[@sourlimerick]

What does the men’s boots one mean?

[@manic_cosmic_artist]

@@sourlimerickIt makes it look like a man is staying with you, so creeps think you aren’t alone

[@Version0111]

I was once trapped in an elevator with a woman. The second we realized we started texting and calling people. About a minute later the woman asked if she can take my picture because she told her husband there was a man with her and he wanted to make sure he had something he could give the police in case i did something to her. Every man I've told this story to has told me they'd have thought the same way. Any man saying they don't feel threatened by the unpredictable nature of a random man IS LYING!

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

bingo

[@UNSTABLE111]

right on the button sir..

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

Every human is random. Lets just put you in prison now

[@g.ctheweebbecomefat]

what about a random woman

[@Chud-mb7gl]

Should have spit on her for humiliating you in distress

[@feathered_turtle]

men say women are the ones that are dramatic over hypotheticals (“would you still love me if i was a worm”) and then write an essay every time this is mentioned

[@rainpooper7088]

Ding ding ding!

[@SAGE5798.]

REAL

[@Moogithetitan]

you arent wrong.

[@MollysDevice]

I get it though. They are being compared to wild animal. I can see how that would feel dehumanizing or upsetting. Particularly when you’ve never done anything wrong. Men are allowed to feel hurt when an intentionally provocative question frames them as worse than a wild animal.

[@south452]

@@MollysDevice it literally doesn’t do that the entire point is ‘ you don’t get to choose the man. some people are fucked up. the bears aren’t. ‘ you choose the bear because they’re significantly more predictable than a strange, unknown man in the woods

[@skyrexotron5031]

I'm a man but not only that, I am a man with autism so I genuinely didn't understand what was going on until you explained! I had no idea why I was seeing bear hypotheticals for a few months. Also I would choose the bear because I have enough of a grasp on social rules to know people would believe me if I was attacked by a bear, I am not confident in my abilities to avoid more abuse so I choose the bear.

[@fortunatecookie]

It was a hypothetical question. And they still couldn’t take no for an answer

[@thebritishmarypopinscat8945]

damn man

[@sassysass6202]

This goes wild ngl. It was because they knew that if the woman chose the men they would've been safer with the bear 😔

[@courtneylee643]

That hit hard.

[@cristelamata7622]

Boys 😭

[@harsh3948]

If you added “black” men, would that be less true? The crime statistics agree with your logic

[@2VeeOrNot2Vee]

i saw a video of a guy who asked “what can i do to make women feel safe around me while i’m hiking?” in response to this question. we need more men like that

[@matthewjones2513]

Hell no. I'm just going for a hike and I need to change because women are bieng programmed to believe all men are dangerous. Not happening. All I'm doing is walking. If you think a man is dangerous simply because of his gender then stay home. Carry a gun or something. I'm not tip toeing everywhere I go because of your paranoia. Your fear doesn't Trump my rights to simply enjoy a walk.

[@godplus7963]

He saw the real problem🙏

[@MsSilverTulip]

My answer would be the same for men and women: unless someone is calling out for help, ignore them, look away, walk away or keep your distance. Make it obvious that you're minding your own business and you are not interested in interacting with anyone. I would feel safer to see a male who is with a female partner or friend and/or their children

[@AB-ce3nn]

Protect that man at all costs 😢

[@joinspace3864]

a good man

[@an_awkward_crybaby]

The pastor basically saying that women “asked for it” just for wearing shorts and dresses was infuriating. Our bare skin aren’t a damn invitation.

[@omoriiboy_]

its insane to me. they say men are superior to women then they cant even control themselves seeing a women in a dress or shorts?

[@raediation3016]

That pastor: men are men Jesus: if your eyes cause you to sin, gouge them out

[@rustyhowe3907]

But then when we don't dress up they complain we're not pretty enough and need to be more effeminate.

[@lesterven1847]

@@rustyhowe3907 Too real.

[@seez6963]

Its funny how these men are never satisfied with women; the western pastor doesn't want women to wear shorts but prefers pants and jeans; in some places in India men don't want women to wear jeans but prefers traditional clothing; and in some middle eastern countries men don't want women to wear anything but a Burkha. One day they will also prefer that we never walk out of the house and if we do we will be blamed if anything unfortunate was to happen.

[@theabsolute.3049]

The biggest problem is that they take it too personal. As a trans man, I’d be completely understanding if a woman told me she’d choose the bear over men because I know what she’s scared of.

[@Extra4UUU]

The bear ignores the word “No” because it doesn’t have an understanding of the language. The man ignores it because he wants to.

[@ShitDigester]

You act like every man is a rapist and I don't understand why

[@hektor7798]

Their intention doesn't change the outcome

[@Ilikeumsoup]

​@@hektor7798However you're wrong! It does, imagine in both cases someone somehow survives. The mental trauma left on someone from a bear attack would be far different than an assault victim. In one case someone was attacked by nature, a system we disrupted and have taken over. In the other case the man is doing it just for funsies! Because he wants to! This would have very different mental impacts. The trust issues would be far different.

[@CorporationSKY]

Dude dont waste your time. Weak people will always refuse to take responsibility for their lives. Bad things happen all the time, we adjust and move on. If you almost drown you dont curse all water, just cause a bad man attacked you doesnt make all men that bad man. You learn to know your surroundings are dangerous and you protect yourself while understanding this world owes you NOTHING. Look into anybodys history and you find pain and suffering​. Women arent special.@@hektor7798

[@Tealuq]

@@IlikeumsoupA forest has many animals which a bear could choose from. The bear knows this yet might still choose to eat you because it wants to. I understand what you are saying about how the trauma could be a lot worse knowing the man could choose to stop but that doesnt mean the bear doesnt have a choice on what to eat.

[@oliviadrago7419]

Hi! Female hiker & backpacker here! Every single time I go hiking or have gone backpacking, especially when I went on a multi-day trip with another female friend, the concern has never been “oh what if we run into bears or coyotes or whatever?!” I have literally made the statement “it’s not the animals I’m afraid of. It’s the people.” Mind you, I don’t specify “it’s the men, all men are so scary and evil.” But on that days-long trip on mountain trails with just myself, another girl, and her dog, it wasn’t worry of bears that kept me from falling asleep every night.

[@Don_com_cq]

Hi Male hiker and backpacker here... We men avoid treks and tours in which there are women participants. Because most of these female solo travellers or female trekkers only create problems for other male travellers and male trekkers in the group.. So, now we men avoid going for tours or treks in which there are other women participants. Even if there are women in our tour group or trek group, we avoid talking to these women participants because they usually ask us for some help..

[@Don_com_cq]

We do many road trips in our SUV all over our country. Along the way we can see many solo women travellers and local women also who are waiting for some vehicle to reach her destination. Local Women know that we are tourist men and so we will not give free lift to unknown women in our car, if women ask us men directly. Men will think that she is planning to do some scam on him and so he will not alllow unknown women to enter his car. So, instead of asking us directly, women will select an intermediary like restaurant owner or tea shop owner etc to ask on behalf of her if we can take her in our car to the next bus stand or town ..

[@Don_com_cq]

Example.. We go for lot of road trips in our car to tje mountains and other isolated routes which have very little public transport like bus. On the way we see many solo female travellers and also local women who are stuck in various restaurants along the way without any bus to her destination.. So, these women will ask the restaurant owner or tea shop owner to ask someone to take her to her destination. So, if we stop our car in any such restaurant and order food, while we are eating food, the restaurant owner will come near us, befriend us and ask us, where us we are going, our job, our tour plans etc and then after we pay the bill, he will ask us if we can take 2 of his friends to the next destination. He will not tell that those are 2 women passengers.. Thinking that they are 2 male passengers, we agree. Then suddenly when the restaurant owner calls the women only do we realise that the passengers are 2 women. But, because we already agreed to the restaurant owner in the beginning without asking the gender of his friends, we are now trapped because we cannot change our word now. So, we will be forced to take these women to their destination.

[@Don_com_cq]

Also, we men travel from our home by flight or train and join a tour group whom we are seeing for the first time as part of an organised package tour to places like high altitude mountain tourist destinations etc. Many families with husband, wife and daughter etc from other parts of the country also join this tour group. Most of these married men traveling with family start drinking alcohol in the bus itself. So, in the night, these family men will be completely drunk in their hotel room and unable to walk and the tour guide will also be drunk and unable to walk. So, once in a high altitude mountain resort, at the night at the hotel, 1 girl had low oxygen saturation or acute mountain sickness, and both her father and the tour guide were drunk and unable to walk, and so we 4 men had to take this stranger girl and her mother to the government hospital in the tour bus for treatment.

[@Don_com_cq]

We are also members of many trekking groups. And we do online booking for many treks. But, when the trek starts we see that there are many unknown women whom we are seeing for the first time in our trekking group. Unfortunately most of these women are not able to climb the hills and some of these women will have to be carried by us for many kilometres just because we cannot leave these women alone in the forest even though we don't know them and we are seeing them for the first time. Most of the time the women who are able to walk cannot carry her own back pack and we men in the group will have to carry some of these women's backpack along with his own backpack.

[@HyperfixationCreation]

I saw a video that was like “Woman or tiger” Male s/a victim- Tiger because a woman wouldn’t hold me down and 🍇 me until i’m sobbing and all the replies were like, “Omg i’m so sorry this happened” “I hope you recover and get therapy.” “You are loved don’t ever forget it!” from women. and then we have “Man or Bear” Female s/a victim- “Bear because i’d rather be mauled than be s/a’d again.” and the replies were “Not all men!” “I’ll do it again!” “I wouldn’t” “You would enjoy me.” etc from men. I thought i should share edit: when i wrote this i wasn’t attacking a whole gender i just thought it was kind of sad-that pattern

[@Isthatdiana]

This is so real, I noticed this too, women generally have sympathy, however I don't think a lot of men possess that

[@sxftpixie]

@@Isthatdiana they possess it, they just don’t have enough in their hearts to wholesomely express it, especially watching from an outside perspective. it’s really sad to see

[@justaboringhooman]

most of the time those comments about men choosing the woman over the tiger are just copy pastes of actual comments of victims. ive known many males who would and have done such things to belittle an SA survivor

[@bellelovessamandcolby]

every time the topic of SA is brought up, nearly all of the negative responses i see are from men - either invalidating other men who are victims with stuff like "you should've liked it!!!!😡😡😡" and bs like that or saying bigoted things to women. women seem to have overwhelmingly supportive and empathetic responses to victims regardless of the gender

[@Mortis845]

And also, I never see this kind of sympathy from men towards men’s struggles. They often joke about it like ‘’game is game’ and ‘was she hot’ and somehow they manage to put the blame solely on women that male victims never get taken seriously.

[@Izanita.]

I'm a teenage girl and my mom during all these years has been telling me "You can go out to party but watch your drink" and now that i arrive home late (10PM+) she ALWAYS calls me or texts me to pick me up from the metro station cause it's dark (I live 5 mins away from the metro station and there's also residental buildings around). The fact that she has to worry about a man attacking me on that 5 minute walk home shouldn't even be a thing

[@melvin9888]

As a male survivor of a female perpetrator I completely understand why most women choose the bear , they don’t know what man they would get and they can’t know if he’ll do something or not. I don’t feel attacked at all when women say they would choose the bear because I know even if I’m not a threat they can’t know that immediately same with any other man. Men can be very scary and I know quite a few women and enbys who are also survivors of SA harassment or DV , the perpetrators were anyone from a random crew member backstage to their intimate partners or even their own fathers. The thing is those people actually understand and empathize and respect with my experiences, much more than the random men on the inside weaponizing the trauma of other people like myself just to try and get back at women who are justified in being wary of men they don’t know. I hate when misogynistic men use the trauma of people like me just to get back at women , even though they are probably the same people who would call us “lucky” for being victims. Meanwhile all the women I know who are survivors also care about and respect male survivors much more than those random guys who just use us to invalidate the women who share similar trauma to us. Moral of the story, male survivors are NOT a gotcha moment we are real people.

[@crypticcryptid4702]

Hey man, just commenting so say I appreciate your input and I hope you're doing well

[@Lil_Anxiety_Bean]

I’ve never been a victim, but as a woman I sympathize with any male survivors because it truly does get over looked. I sincerely hope you are doing well and I thank you for your courage to speak out

[@LeakyPotato]

@@Lil_Anxiety_BeanI am a victim of sa and agree 197%

[@redtailarts101]

You really do deserve an apology from every dipshit who only ever cares about male victims when the topic of male perpetrators comes up. They literally ARE the types that claim male victims of female perpetrators are lucky, even when they're literally children.

[@TheYokaiRadio]

I'm writing a piece on SA of men & boys, actually, 1 in 6 males will experience SA before the age of 18 & changes to an astonishing 8 in 10 men... That are SEVERELY under reported because men dont even know what it looks like. I'm collecting stories, I'm interviewing a male friend of mine that is taking our Highschool teacher to court for SAing him while he was still her student. If you want to talk, completely anonymously, you won't ever have to share your name, just your story. I've survived a lot but I'm a woman... And one of us have to stand up for men so I might've well be it! Lemme know, I hope you heal 💕 Edit: solid 400 that'd care about your story

[@Kiwifruiti]

How men will vocally maul women over so many dumb things when a bear rarely would even touch anyone unless they feel threatened

[@goldi7965]

⁠@UTTPWwhat- huh- bros bot bouta get banned

[@ChumleeTPC]

@UTTPWhello bot

[@christosdoesthings]

Depends on the bear really. Kodiak and Polar bears would actively hunt you, so I'd take a man in that situation. Grizzly is 50/50, and spectacled bear, black bear, panda bear, sun bear and sloth bear I'd take 100% The variable is thrown off based on which person I'd be with, if the "safe" bears have kids, (calling em safe but they're still wild animals that should be respected) and if pandas are actually more carnivorous when wild (there's not many of them left in the wild so they could be more omnivorous than we'd expect) As a fun bonus, I'd take Red Pandas and Koala Bears (these aren't actually bears, members of Ursidae, but we call em bears) and I'd take the red panda home with me and make a friend. If it's a water bear, most likely you already have more than one of those in your house so it'd just be a hike. Edit: oh also in terms of extinct bears, if you're with the greater short faced bear and cave bear no one will save you because those bears directly competed with humans, so I don't think they'd be too keen on having a stinky hominid in their habitat. Humans are directly responsible for their extinction after all. If it's the dawn bear, you take it home and become friends because it was herbivorous, looked like a dog and was the size of a cat. Dog bears I dunno enough about to say. Edit 2: oh I just thought of this, as far as prehistoric animals that aren't bears we call bears, 50/50 for bear dogs (amphicyonidae) since there's variation in size and their behaviour isn't certain since they're so old.

[@feathered_turtle]

do your duty and ignore the bots 🫡 “just report and wave boys, just report and wave.” 🐧

[@nicolettejohnson]

women just have to exist in order for insecure men to feel threatened

[@bloodymary9404]

I’ve lived in the Appalachian mountains for 41 years. I’ve never been attacked by a bear. I was only alive for 4 years before I was graped by a man.

[@kvadratra]

I'm so sorry.

[@zxoe]

I hope you are doing well ☹🩷

[@aroilyace]

😢🤲♥️

[@randomstranger8938]

@@bloodymary9404 I’m so sorry, I was three myself, before I was sold. Did the man ever get caught?

[@silver5515]

Turns out, you can't have both "✨️Boys will be boys✨️" and women rather wanting to be stuck alone with a random man than a bear. How surprising.

[@mushroom_dance5219]

growing up i was told to yell fire if i was being attacked, because people are more likely to pay attention if you do. my mom told me if im attacked to fight like hell and get dna, bite to get their blood on me and leave teeth marks on them, get their skin under my fingernails, fight dirty, and do literally anything to avoid being taken to a second location. its sad that a mother has to tell their kid that dying is better than whatever will happen to you there. the most warning i ever got about bears was to not to go near their cubs

[@ladielydkyd1281]

I've also heard that yelling mom also works in an attack.

[@johnboehmer6683]

You will live among millions of men your whole life. How many bears total have you been around for a whole day?

[@KairaTepes]

​@@johnboehmer6683 watch the fucking video. we are like this BECAUSE of the men around us.

[@blisschamp]

@@KairaTepes uh huh stop victimising yourself and face reality most men arent like that and unless they sexually assaulted or trying to force themselves on you then you are chosing the wrong men to hang around and it is your fault stop having a victim mentality when human has the right to be strong

[@johnboehmer6683]

@@KairaTepes Really? Men have the power to make you a foul-mouthed, angry, bitter person? Please, don't let them. That's what you are exuding in your response to my simply speaking common sense to the fact that it's obvious why her mom would only say a few words about bears, but plenty about men. And by the way, the video has another hateful woman in a bear outfit that can't manage to speak truth even 20% of that diatribe, to look at that once was enough, thanks. I get it though, all people are sinners, we all need Jesus. He gives us the means to love the unlovable, see through the strategies of hell trying to divide and conquer us, and maintain peace in our hearts, no matter how bad society becomes. He is awesome Kiara, I really hope at some point you just see about him.

[@hydrashade1851]

the most eye-opening thing ive heard in regards to this is probably "If I was attacked by a bear, at least people would believe me."

[@sydneyslaughter7163]

DAAAMN, that hits really hard!

[@Stanczyk09]

People dont believe women who were assaulted by a man?

[@xauidcy]

..sheesh.

[@mprpdx]

As a solo traveler, I’ve stayed in many primitive and backcountry campsites by myself and I’ve most definitely thought about this question many times. Let me tell you something, when you are in a tent, in the middle of nowhere, and you hear a questionable rustling outside, as a woman and horror movie fan, I pray it’s a bear. Bears are meant to be there, a human bumping into your site, when no one else is around, likely has bad intentions. The bear wants food, you just happen to be around. The man, most likely wants you! Fun fact: I posted this comment in another video on the same topic and men were going wild in the replies.

[@Sam-wq9vi]

get ready for battle on this video

[@ExilaArika]

Low-key curious on the probably batshit insane responses you got under that other comment lol

[@youropinionsareshitandsoar1954]

people really don't think before they say something it's so astonishing... Sometimes I wonder if there really are NPC out there

[@verbatim3752]

For me, I agree with the sentiment of everyone saying that the men are freaking out over this, but I'd rather have a man come up on my site in the middle of the night than a bear, lol. If you're packing(at least what I advise and what I do), you can deal with a human intruder. Stop a hungry or aggressive bear in your campsite? Yeah, fat chance. Ik this has nothing with the question, I'm just dumping thoughts lol. Although you could probably scare a black bear off

[@airacummins5076]

​@verbatim3752 you can get a grizzly to f*ck off too, unless it's babies are involved or it's spring and it wants to eat you

[@NorthStarKnifeReviews]

Any man who can’t understand why women would choose the bear is a big part of the reason WHY women would choose the bear.

[@KathiEOSp]

The amount of men getting ANGRY rather than being concerned just makes woman want to pick the bear more.

[@MoronicPlague]

Honestly, why do strangers even trust strangers? We should all dump the whole society thing and just life solo, afraid of other homo sapiens. Sounds great.

[@Korvaxis]

@@MoronicPlague what a wild idea.

[@gingerweasel2]

These are the same guys that get pissed if you want to have your first date in a public place and don't want to invite them over to your house. On some level they do understand that there's a chance of a woman getting raped, tortured, or killed (although their estimation of the likelihood is probably way off). They just value not having their *feelings hurt* over the woman taking precautions to not be attacked. They'd literally rather more women get raped or killed due to taking less precautions, than risk having their *feelings hurt* over said precautions.

[@Lumberjack_king]

@@MoronicPlaguewe are a social species being a lone wolf is not a good idea

[@KathiEOSp]

⁠@@MoronicPlague The point is that women are afraid, and they shouldn’t have to be, but instead of quelling their fears, many men are making it worse. If you don’t see that, that’s a YOU problem.

[@teritt]

It was so tragically sad for me to read a comment by a male victim of a female r@pist: “Despite being harmed by a woman, women are still the only ones to believe me” And holy fuck dude. I broke. That is so disgustingly tragic, this dude was straight up attacked in a horrible way by woman but he still feels he can trust women more than men for the simple fact that women on average were the only one’s to actually show him support compared to his fellow men. Men typically live in a separate reality of safety than women, and male victims live an even more separate reality than that. Whereas women spend a large amount of time making sure they can defend themselves in case something does happen, pepper sprays and drink caps alike. Men describe emotional and financial safety. And male victims… they describe how they don’t feel safe physically with women, and don’t feel safe emotionally with men. Female victims with male perpetrators obviously don’t feel safe physically or emotionally with men, but they tend to at least feel safer in both ways with women. Male victims are existing in a horrible limbo just for their gender and that’s a horrible reality to grapple with. Nobody is suffering “worse” in this scenario, it’s just suffering in a uniquely horribly way.

[@daniADKapi80826]

The way you worded this complex topic in such a fair and grounded way is truly great. Thanks for making this comment, I'll try and pass these words to others that need to hear it.

[@RenegadeShepTheSpacer]

You should look at r/mensrights. Plenty of them will believe the victim.

[@irjectjade]

that's actually so fucking sad dude-

[@pinkrobot8147]

i swear to god if some fucking 8 yr old says i aint reading all that

[@zorlockts5744]

Oh yes women are just the most empathetic angels sent from heaven to earth to show us men how absolutely pathetic we are 😢 wow so much emotions . You women are just the best that’s why in USA alone the female teachers having sex with their underage children students is at an all time high and only rising , also why lesbian relationships have the most abuse between 2 women

[@CCDRAW-g1v]

Here in Australia we just had a murder spree and the killer was specifically targeting women because one rejected him he even attacked a baby girl who only just survived. These were regular women and girls with futures, and men still question why we choose the bear.

[@jjarocal]

Was this Bondi? :(

[@Funkyfrogbaithateschildren]

And women are graping children in school. I choose my passport ✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️

[@diobrando5974]

Ok? Can I please not be grouped up with people like that? I have a Physics exam tomorrow…

[@Wantedbynobody]

​@@diobrando5974This is EXACTLY why women chose the bear! U guys wont even try understanding things from a diff pov but only care for ur teeny lil feelings that get hurt 😂 like frankly put its not that we like to put u guys together but we arent exactly some mind readers. Theres no way to know and s differentiate. "Not all men but always men" try being better then perhaps theres hope.

[@diobrando5974]

@@Wantedbynobody What are you trying to prove? Yes, I have “teeny feelings” because I am a teenager, and I hate being stereotyped. By your logic, if a black guy approaches you, pepper spray him immediately! Right? Statistically, black people are more likely to commit crimes, and he cannot in any case…. give you a free coffee? Or a gift? So yeah, thank you for thinking that I’m a bad guy before you even got to know me. Oh and that’s because I’m a male💀💀 Wow, I cannot believe how absurd your logic is …

[@rat_lord9621]

I would rather choose the bear not because I think the bear would spare me, but because the worst thing a bear would do is kill me and eat my body. What is so hard for men to understand about that and their own failures.

[@クリス-e7h]

In my personal opinion it's so tiring to hear how guys say "Why would you choose bear over fellow humans, honestly would rather see you get mauled." Like how can you not see that you may be adding onto why we choose bear

[@Lazy_Gay_Man]

Also, why is a random man in the woods with you?

[@Ashbrash1998]

They blatantly ignore that a bear has two reactions to a human in its home, a human has a big range of actions to take. And a number of them are a lot worse than getting mauled.

[@nerfherder4284]

I would honestly choose bear over random woman, there are awful women too.

[@talkingfez1265]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!! Like, you are NOT making a good case for yourself guys!!!!!

[@toxihex876]

Many of the responses don't make any sense and it's low key funny how little self awareness they have. If they had to compare what men do to women to something of the same caliber a person is likely to do to a man, that person would still be a man.

[@Manyo569]

Men bring up the “women are horrible people too” argument only when women speak about sexual violence.

[@MoronicPlague]

I'm a woman bringing it up, bet. Anyways, still. Men and women are pretty much the same, so about 1 in 4 grapists are gonna be a woman. Does that mean we should fear all women? No. It just means humans are overall goddamn stupid and selfish.. whatever. Why would you think that having both X chomosones makes you unable to commit crimes? What's your point anyways? Clearly I missed it.

[@shaynestanz1]

It's the "ALL LIVES MATTER!" of sexual assault, only used to deflect

[@inazuma2332]

Theres a Tiger vs Woman trend and its upsetting how men started it to mostly use it to shame women or try to act all tough saying "tiger, because she wont make fun of my height" while women choose bear for much better safety(they know bears CAN still attack as they are not toddlers who forget bears are wild animals) and the issue men commonly or say or bring up in the trend is theyre scared of the myth of gold diggers using them as the worst thing to happen to em by women?? Its sad for that but also a very wasted potential since that trend can be an outlet for any sa survivors who were specifically sa'd by women regardless of gender for victim but especially for men who were and developed trauma of women and are scared of them even if statistically and logically theyre very much safe around women in general and less likely to be targeted for sex, because trauma doesnt care whats most likely to happen it has happened and the body reacts as if it could or is about to happen in rational and irrational manners. Invalidation, mockery, and normalization of victim shaming/blaming tho, do amplify that victim's skepticism and fear. I dont want men to keep being gaslighted by men (and some women) that they can never be sa'd, their experience, if its not used to diminish someone else's experience of sa, should be heard, validated, and sympathized. Its also unfortunate the dumb sexist men who created the tiger vs woman trend and made it viral to make fun of women werent thinking properly since a tiger is one of the major animals existing that is known to actively attack humans. Luckily tho, Ive seen tiktoks of men who used it for a good purpose to showcase their personal horrible sa exp, same goes that theres a lot of men who say their own sa exp. With women and also with men using men vs bear. Despite statistic showing only 7-14% of men are sa victims, its women who in the comments are the ones more likely to empathize, even some going so far to apologize in behalf of the assault with the self awareness that the perpetraror probably would not ever apologize and doesnt blame him or try to make fun via calling out the technical flawed logic of tiger vs woman because a tiger is actively dangerous, because at the end of the day, man vs bear or women vs tiger, is a hypothetical question. If men cant empathize why women choose bear, its because of that ignorance and lack of at least sympathy. p.s the statistic is from both "Male Victims of Sexual Assault: A review of the literature" by John C. Thomas & Jonathan Kopel and taken from the "National Alliance to End Sexual Violence" website

[@commandercorl1544]

They don't actually care about the valid experience of male victims, they only bring it up when it's convenient.

[@pinkperfumefairy9205]

​@@commandercorl1544yup, they are only an activist when it benefits them

[@PRAYINGMANTIS.]

a long time ago i read something along the lines: "i don't want a man who can take a bear, i want a man who can protect me from other men. because the chances of me getting attacked by a bear is far less from getting attacked by a man" and i couldn't agree more

[@issecret1]

That's a trad wife trap. I don't need a man to protect me from othe rmen, because frankly, Americans, men don't really attack you randomnly and your boyfriend or husband is more likely to be the person you need protecting from.

[@DVAIKONNE]

Oh, I think it's from the Vietnamese woman and her German husband! (Uuhh)

[@PRAYINGMANTIS.]

@@DVAIKONNE yesss i think it was from her!

[@yuunahanabi2576]

UYEN??

[@Wardeez_]

Why not both

[@yetispaghetti5754]

As a man I’d like to add something, hear me out. A lot of the dudes who don’t get it and brush it off as stupid do so not just because they imagine the man being them specifically, but because we see men as just people and assume that people as a whole are better than that. (Unfortunately, incorrect) I myself was confused until I read other comments and watched the rest of the video. Now I get it. 4:09 in particular was really eye-opening. That being said the dudes who let their true colors show (like at 13:41) are the types of dudes that make women choose the bear. Funky if your reading this, Fantastic video. Hopefully society evolves and “the Bear Question” will one day be a lesson in history class to explain the severity of the western Patriarchy.

[@shezyam460]

you can reuse the logic at 4:09 and say it's best not to go outside at all because a car could hit you, or a guy could run up and shoot you, or random debris from a construction site could fall and hit you on the head. each and every day is like picking from a bowl of poisoned m&ms, and framing interaction with the world like this game of chance you could lose at any moment is a great way of justifying rotting away in a room, away from the wider world which is full of chaos

[@divinecrime]

Putting actual SA aside for sake of argument: If I stand still, stay quiet, and mind my own business, a bear will leave me alone. A man won’t. End of story.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

What bear? not a hungry one. Most men wont eat you or look twice at you.

[@crypticcryptid4702]

@@PeterParker-ff7ub Clearly you haven't been around many men. I've camped a lot in woods with bears and my closest encounter was when one wandered in around the early morning. I have been harassed by men by walking down a street.

[@Ella-g2m]

You're supposed to make noise to announce yourself to the bears, actually. Some hikers even wear bells. Otherwise the bear gets startled. But if they know you're coming down the trail generally they move out of your way. The only time bears lash out is if they're afraid of you, protecting their cubs, or starving.

[@Chud-mb7gl]

Nobody even looks at you 😆

[@cryptidcrow282]

@@PeterParker-ff7ubBears don’t like to eat humans unless you provoked them or messed with their children actually lol

[@rachelgreen9566]

The guy suggesting that women who have experienced assault have had 'privileged lives' due to the fact they haven't ever been attacked by a bear absolutely raged me to the core. I don't meet many women who can't relate to me when it comes to trauma at the hands of a man. Far less shocking or suprising to hear about than a bear attack.

[@epitaphzz]

There's a very simple analogy that makes you realize just how stupid this man vs bear argument is. The analogy goes as followed: "Would you rather be stuck in the forest with a bear or a black dude?" The reason this stumps a lot of people is because people are very comfortable making biased or discriminatory statements when it comes to sex (mostly when it comes to males), but not when it comes to race, because then they'd be racists. It's the same thing. One makes you a racist, the other makes you a sexist. Hope this helps!

[@margusiraptor9729]

​@@epitaphzzbot

[@Beth_Dutton_]

@@epitaphzzthat’s brilliant

[@intanayu8674]

@@epitaphzz still the bear, and no it won't make me a racist. in fact, you are the one making it about race, racist.

[@gotosleep504]

​@@epitaphzz I'd choose the bear 🐻

[@MuQingMyDear]

As someone who has seen MULTIPLE bears irl, the bear does not care. It won’t attack you unless you provoke it, it’s hungry or it feels threatened. I once saw a polar bear, it couldn’t care less about me. It looked at me, knew I wasn’t a threat and just went back to sleep. So I would choose a bear over a man, thank you.

[@K_Nightshade]

It situation says that you’re STUCK in the woods with a bear. I don’t think a bear will appreciate seeing the same person in their area over and over again

[@NoahPeanutbutter]

@@MuQingMyDear As a person who has seen MULTIPLE men irl, the man does not care. It won’t attack or bother you unless you provoke it it most scenarios, just like a bear would. Once I saw a built 6ft 4in tall man and he couldn’t care less about me. He just walked away and went along with his business. So I would chose a man over a bear, thank you.

[@Fisheryboi-o4m]

@@NoahPeanutbutter Every time I see a comment like this, I think for a second about how the comment is in some way fallacious, before I realize that the issue was never about which is safer, why do you think this individual would choose a bear, is it because they have never had a man not assault them? No, obviously not, it's because they feel safer around bears compared to men. Instead of trying to understand what forces are at play to cause such a response, you treat it like a question with a set correct answer that one must solve for, so many people do this that the idiocy is saddening to witness.

[@arrretrorus]

So many people are missing the point of this argument.

[@ghostinyourcloset]

@@NoahPeanutbutter so after reading this comment and seeing your name, i see you are a man. men do not have to worry about being harmed (whether murder or sexual assualt/rape) any time you are alone with a man. nice to know a man thinks his opinion is worth more simply because men dont hurt you just for existing. considering you seem to lack any sort of empathy, how about you put your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your daughter, or even a good female friend of yours; would you rather one of them be in a forest with a random man or a bear? funny how your perspective changes the second its someone you love and care about.

[@ratizcool]

Nobody would ask what I was wearing if a bear mauled me.

[@Usuario00066]

Nobody wants you. Females are too naive.

[@Kornofreak]

@@Usuario00066 okayyy sooo 1 in 6 women who have been assaulted just don’t exist now?? Your logic is flawed and no woman will ever love you

[@Th3_Strongest]

Just find better men

[@Kiraiko44]

The way men have REFUSED to understand this and just get angry about it proves the point

[@cam3851]

Yeah, I was highlighting that exact point in another comment. Imagine having a ego of the size of Texas to try and counter argue against what? 99% of women who answered? and still be certain that you are right anyway. They don't even try to understand why we would chose the bear. And we are the problem ? My Fucking god.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

The way women say men instead of bad people proves different.

[@burntpancake834]

​@@PeterParker-ff7ub i wonder how your mom feels about this

[@AmiFortune]

@@PeterParker-ff7ub The reason women say "men" is because, while yes, crimes being committed against anyone is an issue, the "man or bear" question brings up a very specific issue: men committing sexual and violent crimes against women. Obviously, we don’t mean all men.

[@uirukii]

@PeterParker-ff7ub When all the people on ‘To Catch a Predator’ are men, then yeah , I’m going to say they’re men. Statistics show that around 93% of all sexual assaults and rapes are instigated by men so yeah. Y’all want the label of people here to dilute the ugly fact that a near 100% chance of sexual violence is from a man

[@Drak_buddy]

The facts that they made the ONE woman that chose them so uncomfortable that she realized WHY everyone else chose bear should make them all realize

[@animeotaku307]

It gets worse. Apparently she was a trans girl (she was also a minor) and when they found out it got so much worse. Poor girl learned the hard way why we pick bear.

[@Drak_buddy]

@@animeotaku307 REALLY?? That poor girl

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

Punished for picking bear, punished for picking men. ://////

[@spicymayo623]

She learned quick why it doesn’t pay to be a pick me. Hard lesson.

[@rollfaceonkeyboard]

​@spicymayo623 She was too young to understand. That's not an ok way to treat a minor. I get what you're saying, but it's who it's in relation to that’s the problem. Likely she's either being actively abused to the point it's normalised. Or maybe she only has good men in her life. So this is a horrific experience. Either way that's a minor that doesn't need anymore criticism.

[@haell8741]

That dude talking about his mothers trauma: "I have some experience with this question." Like no, your mother has the experience not you.

[@belerina007]

I’d like to know what the mom who got attacked by the bear would pick

[@bisexual-final-girl5171]

THATS the thing, the question was apparently asked to her years before this ever became a big thing and guess what? She chose the bear. She would rather be attacked again than have a chance to suffer through what a man could do to her

[@lillylovegood2300]

​@@belerina007Oh, boy, do you! If I recall correctly, she came out and claimed she'd rather be with the bear again lmfaooo

[@lalaaaaa9070]

I said the same thing like huh lmaoooo

[@CloudedKitty282]

No hate but second hand trauma is still very real, he still had to watch his mother go through that ya know? No kid should have to see that

[@Alex-i9b7i]

My friend was raped by her best guy friend, the person she trusted most in the world. The person she told EVERYTHING too. The person she spent all her time with. The person she’s known since she was 4 years old. They went on family vacations together, he’d gone to all her birthday parties, her parents were his god parents. She was 14, it was at a sleepover. She probably would have chosen to be stuck in the woods with him over any other man. You never know.

[@Arachnid1]

W comment

[@Moonii-Cat]

I'm a minor. I have posted one video on my TikTok about this, calling the debate stupid and saying that it will always be the bear. Full grown men have been sending me threats and harassing me over it. I wonder why I would possibly choose the bear. Because I feel SO safe around these fourty year old men with children and families who are harassing a teenager on the internet. :3

[@ignightroad]

I hope you're okay, Moonii, but hey--at least you have proof as to why millions of us choose the bear. Men who will never ever meet you hate you because you won't choose them. That's the scary world we live in.

[@Moonii-Cat]

@@ignightroad Thank you. Unfortunately, they've done nothing but further my point that I will always choose the bear.

[@Known_ErrorMe]

They get mad that women say they would rather be with a bear and then do this.😐

[@OnlySayori]

genuinely scary in a way that adult men with possible children and family are willing to harrass a random teenager they'll likely never see again

[@notsoptimistic]

please stay safe!! talking about these 50 year old grown men actually brought back a lot of things I saw (mainly on facebook) of these old fossils saying disgusting things about children especially when there's news on cases of teenagers, grooming etc but they were in the comments blatantly saying sexual things and giggling about it with a family profile picture. I am concerned bcs there are many pedophiles (with families) and they're out on the internet harassing children.

[@lightsideofsin8969]

I grew up in a 300 people mountain village in the middle of the woods. The kind you see in horror movies all the time because nobody can hear you scream. There are no bears there but wild boars who are way more aggressive than bears. I will forever choose any kind of animal over a strange man. Worst case scenario with an animal: it kills me. Worst case scenario with a man: he kidnaps me, r*pes me, tortures me and maybe I die at some point. What a priviliged life you lead if you think that the worst thing that could happen to you is that you die. When I encounter a strange man in the woods, the best outcome is that nothing happens. The second best is that he just kills me quickly.

[@11Tits]

I would argue the same if i met a strange women in the forrest. like i repeat as a broken record the argument goes both ways. Best idea it to avoid people when out alone. male or female... why? - Well for the female they are at risk or being rapes or kidnapped or killed or being accused or said crimes and being charged unless there is some evidance agaisnt. - The man is at risk of being accused or said crimes and being charged unless there is overwelming evidance agaisnt or killed or kidnapped or raped. And before you cry about the false acusation argument. you need to keep in mind a large majority of cases at the moment are being found to be false or a half truth (halftruth being the woman just felt uncomfortable in such a close space). its also important to note these cases really drown out the real ones who are and have suffered. And most the time when its the flip side and the woman is the aggressor you find its a much harder time getting them charged for their crimes.

[@internet-gremlin]

i did not think i’d read such a quote as ‘what a privileged life you lead if you think that the worst that could happen to you is that you die’ on the comments of this video. incredible poetry my friend, no matter the circumstance.

[@jameswatson5807]

Yes the worse that could happen is death, no matter what you want to live.

[@lightsideofsin8969]

@@jameswatson5807 As someone who's been through some shit and survived 3 suicide attempts, shut up.

[@jameswatson5807]

@@lightsideofsin8969 If you wanted to die you would be dead already, your instinct is to live. I have had a few near death experince but to be eaten alive by an animal is one of the worst ways to go.

[@moemoracle6720]

Bears won't vote for your human rights to be taken away and tell you that men own your body, bears won't assault you when you're 12 and then claim you're a liar when you report it, bears won't threaten to bash your brains in because they were in a drunken induced rage... I could go on and on over the fear and trauma I've faced in my life simply for just existing. And this is just one person. These stories aren't uncommon, at all.

[@11Tits]

why do people think bears just kill you outright? Most bears play with their food and kill it after a few days once its bored. however i would still take the bear cause they rarely attack and only ever come close if provoked

[@pc_txears]

Exactly. I told my stepsister what happened to me and she went to my cousin (the perpetrator) and told him what I told her while also saying she didn't believe me because he had always treated her nicely. Never will I ever trust another person who knows me personally with information on what happened that night my cousin did what he did.

[@justjoking5841]

Points to the bear for not voting for the foxes or wildcats to have full rights to the chicken coup.

[@cobaltblu4196]

And a Bear won't threaten you with a knife because you told them to stop grinding on a woman you know has been SA'd in the past. Even I as a dude get why women pick the bear. It's a total gamble if the man you are with is evil.

[@alchemicmercury]

I would raise the stakes by being stuck in the woods with two bears then a Christian.

[@x-48]

Let’s make this easy for them: Would you rather be in the woods with a bear or man, BUT there is a 10% chance that man is Diddy.

[@lordofdegeneracy8568]

men pretending women don't know bears are dangerous then get mad when women explain why they would rather be eaten than whatever a man's gonna do

[@celestewoodworth5627]

I know, right? My good sir (derogatory) I spent a significant chunk of my life obsessed with predators, I'm not ignorant of how dangerous a bear can be. But I'm not ignorant of how dangerous a man can be, eithed.

[@nymphLBBH]

i would rather drown myself to death than be raped by a man

[@lfr8666]

Exactly. This isn't "which is good and which is evil?" It's closer to "Which risky encounter am I more likely to survive unscathed?" The chance of bear violence is low, but the potential is there, it's a large wild animal. Men run the gamut from Mr. Rogers to Ed Gein to Weinstein to your good Christian nice guy. A strange man is fucking Russian roulette.

[@STAWTEREHWYREVE-dx7si]

I was 16 or 17, I was taking computer lessons. A guy was sitting next to me, I didn't like him, but tried to stay polite. He started following me around, complimenting my looks and still kept hitting on other female students in front of me. I was hanging out with my usual group, he stayed even though nobody wanted him there, we were all ignoring him. We were talking about a horror movie that just came out and would joke about how we would torture certain people in our lives the same way - not okay, I know that. Later I was waiting for the train, he was still taking about the movie, we were unfortunately alone, suddenly he starts telling a story about his last school. Apparently there was this one girl in his friend group and she was hitting on him all the time, but he was so not interested - his version of course. Then out of nowhere he asks me ... DO YOU EVER FANTASIZE ABOUT DRAGGING SOMEBODY INTO THE BUSHES AND RAPING THEM!? The look in his deranged eyes told me, he wasn't joking, that piece of sh*t had all kind of issues, I'm pretty sure that 'fantasy' of his didn't stay hypothetical for long.

[@dahktuh]

i really can't believe it doesn't strike them harder cause like....FUCKING OBVIOUSLY. OBVIOUSLY bears are dangerous!!! OBVIOUSLY being mauled to death by one would be horrific. LIKE....THAT SHOWS YOU HOW UNWILLINGLY WOMEN ARE TO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY AT A MAN'S HANDS. they'd choose literally being mauled to death by an apex predator than whatever the fuck a man could do to them. probably also comes from these types of men's innate assumption that women never know what they're fucking talking about. like yes. yes they do. they know the risk. they would STILL choose the damn bear, buddy.

[@Temmie5626]

I had a similar experience with both with different reactions. My parents called and said they saw a man walking around near our house as they were leaving. I immediately locked all the doors, turned off the lights, wondered “what if he already got in and he’s hiding somewhere?”, and hid in my room. On a vacation to Colorado, my mom called and said they saw a bear as they were leaving. I immediately went outside to the patio to see if it was still there and take a picture.

[@silverrsauce]

did you get a photo of the bear? would be sick af if you did 🔥

[@bingus9119]

They saw a man walking around the house and left anyway?

[@ReyBees1]

I bears are cool 🐻

[@kaylas717]

​@@bingus9119right...made up story? Probably.

[@carnevalmefisto]

@@kaylas717 Are you aware sometimes you just can't cancel the leaving? They could cancel trip to the shop, but not nessearily job/hospital/airport etc.

[@sand7677]

Men are getting mad? Over a hypothetical question? Maybe that is why the bear is preferred...

[@Lord-of-The-West-Weald]

It's a hypothetical question that paints all of us as beasts THATS what we're upset about 😂

[@armychan7565]

Yeah. With a bear, you know what's gonna happen but with a man it's either he's a pervert, creep, murderer, you never know. bears most likely would leave you alone.

[@Diinytro]

@@Lord-of-The-West-Weald Why does this paint us as beasts?

[@letsgococo5192]

How about "Men getting mad? Over a sexist, demonizing strawman? Maybe that's why everybody needs to lay off social media for a while."

[@fateme8103]

​@@armychan7565 do you know BTS are men too?

[@oriANDbremblesANDastro]

“WHAT IF THE BEAR IS GAY??” GOES HARD 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯🗣️🗣️ 6:51

[@themustar601]

One summer when I was a 10 year old girl, my mom was doing work for the U.S. Forest Service. It required us to drive around the country taking tree core samples from the national forests and we often stayed in campgrounds in a VW Microbus. At one campground we were attacked by a bear and ended up on top of the bus until it left. We were both badly shaken up and she got a little scratched but we got past it and stayed. A few nights later we were in another campground. A group of men showed up and set up a few spots away. They kept looking at us and talking quietly and laughing. The more they looked and laughed, the creepier it got. Mom looked at me and just said “Let’s go. Now.” So we were able to deal with the bear and stay whereas the staring, talking, laughing men made us leave almost immediately because they felt like more of a threat.

[@molluscumlore]

yeah my mom also did and does a lot of forestry work and chose bear. Because like, alone in the woods with a bear is just alone in the woods. Sure it COULD attack you and it'd suck, but if it isn't a polar bear or a pizzly it probably doesn't see you as food and even if it does animals aren't always hungry. She's spent countless hours alone in the woods and never had an issue with bears. People from polar bear country or grizzly country seem more likely to choose man though not unanimously, but black bears genuinely do not care outside extenuating circumstances. Last mauling in our area was someone who was actively chasing a bear. On the other hand, she's been chased by men with guns a lot. And blunt objects. It's way more city-boy sounding to choose to see a random man in the woods than the bear because literally every country kid who's ever spent time wandering the forest knows you do NOT under any circumstances wanna approach a stranger in the woods, especially not men, and you especially do NOT want them to see you first. It was worse during the drug war era (people protecting weed patches. you could find claymores planted out there) but public land and private land aren't particularly well-marked at the divide and stand in a room with a bunch of random landowning rural men and you'll hear a lot of fantasizing about killing trespassers. I take any hint that a man is currently in the area as a hint that I am trespassing and ought get the fuck out fast and quietly in case he doesn't already have a bead on me. A bear is just a bear. 9/10 times they do not care, and while I do not want to get any closer and if I see cubs I especially want to get away, I'm fine once I'm not in its immediate view. Like, I was on a wander with a group of like 7 people including adults, all country folk and we accidentally came out of the woods into someones backyard once. I was young and naive and asked if we should knock just to make sure they knew we didn't have ill intent and they laughed and told me off before piling as fast and crowded as possible into a truck to get away very quickly. Nobody in the country thinks it's a good idea to initiate contact.

[@HiddenDarkHM]

God even just reading that and picturing it was like "Oh man, being cornered on top of your car by a bear sounds scary... ... ... Oh god that sounds TERRIFYING." And I think that says something.

[@themustar601]

Yes, thank you, both events were frightening. But we notice that when we talk about it now, years later, we almost have a laugh about the bear while we still just feel uneasy about the men. At the time we were checking in with the parks service every day and they were good about keeping an eye out for us, and even they said that the bear sounded like the preferable encounter.

[@briannadanek4984]

Oh how privileged I was to be assaulted repeatedly over a 10 month period and then threatened with charges because he was underaged EVEN THOUGH I WAS LITERALLY YOUNGER THAN HIM

[@kookie_2178]

I am so sorry to hear that. Hope he rots in hell

[@ArticPeril]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you're doing well.

[@zeplyn-r6]

didn't happen or you didn't tell the appropriate authorities that it was nonconsensual.

[@joshuacoleman8000]

​@@zeplyn-r6Dick.

[@wompadillœ]

@@zeplyn-r6man shut the hell up

[@ferninthehouse]

the fact that you sat here and explained this for 20 minutes and there are still men who will watch it and not understand just goes to show why this conversation is happening in the first place.

[@MoronicPlague]

Men and women aren't that different from each other.

[@ferninthehouse]

@@MoronicPlague I fail to see your point in stating this

[@cloudyskyz2237]

@@ferninthehouseignore them. They’ve got like 50 comments on this video alone just trying to get engagement

[@ferninthehouse]

@@cloudyskyz2237 ah, I couldn’t see that when I first looked at their profile for some reason. Thank you

[@madalice5134]

They understand. They just don't care and feel entitled.

[@STPDEPARTMENT]

“All snakes aren’t venomous but yet we all fear them”

[@MIND-SET_BLUE]

As a SA survivor, the amout of sadness, anger, and just disbelief i had when MY OWN BROTHER. came up to me, and said "me after finding out im more scary then a bear" while flexing his arms. I was so heartbroken that my own brother would say that, even after he knows what happened to me.

[@teeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

based brother Edit: Lots of malding, death threats, and cope in the replies lmao.

[@joshuacoleman8000]

​@@teeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeSicko

[@MishaMikhailovich]

@teeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee found the brother’s account

[@laurelalloro]

Ok I'm sorry but how old is your brother man. Bro will probably grow out of it

[@MIND-SET_BLUE]

@@laurelalloro he turns 20 this year 😁...

[@aubryellaotero1064]

The guy whose mom got attacked by a bear…… EVEN SHE SAID ON A REDDIT POST HERSELF THAT SHE CARRIES A GUN WHILE HIKING FOR HUMANS AND NOT FOR BEARS

[@rougestarlight4308]

Disgusting that this guy used his mom's horrific and traumatic experience without asking her or getting her in person to talk about it. Just to "own" the feminists 😬

[@GuaranteesInLife]

Do you have a link?

[@Artemis_A-24]

@@rougestarlight4308But women dehumanizing men is allowed? Go to therapy already

[@LolaShrimp]

They'll say women are too emotional yet this is how they react to a hypothetical question.

[@MoronicPlague]

NOONE CALLS YALLS OVELY EMOTIONAL, THIS IS NOT THE 1900s, I SWEAR TIME TRAVELLING STILL ISN'T A THING. Edit: I am female, you can stop saying how the response is emotional.. since at that point yalls just being counterproductive.

[@justabird7882]

@@MoronicPlague Wow, what an emotional response.

[@pixelad3584]

@@justabird7882Wow, what an emotional response.

[@mollygriffin5474]

​@@pixelad3584 Wow, what an emotional response.

[@toxiczombiewolf5692]

​@IdiotxnderTheMoon yeah now they say must be that time of the month.

[@madilynnseidel7378]

I think the stupidest thing that happened through out the whole man or bear thing is the fact that these men think that we don’t know what bears are and how dangerous that they could possibly be.