Concord Cost $400 Million - Luke Reacts

[@lukestephenslive]

Just to let everyone know, there are some other insiders coming out and saying that the 400 million number is laughably wrong. Colin has good track record, but it's important. Regardless, the fact that it's believable is still hilarious and shows just how little confidence gamers have in Sony executives with these live service productions.

[@robsolf]

That's the trouble with stuff like this. Sony is maneuvering for a big fat tax break, so they're going to try to overplay their loss. Odds of getting the truth out of this whole story diminish with each passing day.

[@ggali09]

ProbablyMonsters CEO Harold Ryan is the former Bungie CEO. Bungie has been consulting Sony on live service game strategies since they were purchased. There is a story here. The possibility of collusion between current Bungie execs and Harold Ryan to convince Sony to buy Firewalk and Concord. If Firewalk had spent almost 200 million to get to Alpha, it’s safe to assume ProbablyMonsters needed a bailout.

[@jeremykane2824]

@@lukestephenslive It’s only believable to people pushing certain narratives

[@Ryanlexz]

i mean spiderman 2 cost 300milion tho

[@killer3000ad]

Indeed, i heard the actual development cost + purchase of the studio + marketing brings the total closer to 600 million.

[@DainRiffgin89]

Remember when one of the devs called us talentless freaks? We might be talentless freaks, but at least we didn't waste $400 million dollars with nothing to show for it.

[@UltraGreenNo.57]

Lethal company was founded from sheer talent, yet not even a speck of that cost was put in development.

[@w_h_o_d_i_n_i]

400 mil is more than this entire comments section will ever see

[@SnailHatan]

That wasn’t a dev, that was a dev that got fired years ago.

[@SnailHatan]

@@w_h_o_d_i_n_iIt’s more than all the devs of Concord combined with ever see, too. You’re desperate and sweaty.

[@Jamie-1428]

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[@rebellious_red7123]

For the budget of Concord, Sony could have revived numerous of their IPs: Sly Cooper, Resistance, Infamous, Jak & Daxter, Killzone and so much more

[@22Arcana]

Lf Dark Cloud 3

[@rebellious_red7123]

​@@22Arcanadude, a new Dark Cloud game would be phenomenal

[@hanes2]

they should had made a F2P Killzone as a launch title for PS5. like a Warzone type of killzone game.

[@ChaseSchleich]

@@hanes2 I'm still hopeful Sony is reviving Killzone or SOCOM now that Microsoft owns CoD. Screw live service. A good war style shooter could make shit loads of money if done right, especially with Battlefield being almost non-existant in the space now. PC has a few popular ones, Microsoft has CoD, Sony has nothing. It's highly unlikely Microsoft will pull CoD away from Sony in 10 years, but better to play it safe and have your own franchise to rely on.

[@rebellious_red7123]

@@hanes2 I would just love a new Killzone game to continue the franchise forward

[@TheBadasssnoopy]

The fact that it cost 400 mil without taking marketing and the purchase of the studio into account is freaking insane

[@alus992]

It shows how people responsible for the whole project had no control from people at the top of the Sony Entertainment and how bad all these managers were during whole production. There is no change that any competent director would be like „ok let’s burn more money it will pay itself soon”.

[@mrturbo84]

@@alus992 You missed, toxic positivity work culture, the team had 100% its fingers in the downfall of that Game.

[@proteuswest1084]

@@mrturbo84 Not being able to state concerns or give feedback isn't generally the fault of a team, it's the fault of management, because they're the ones who create those conditions where team members aren't heard. I also think that people need to know how to make the distinction between "toxic positivity" and "positivity" in a general sense, because I see folks throwing those terms around almost as much as they say the word "objectively", and they're almost always using it incorrectly.

[@intruder313]

I was going to comment 'usually they spend almost as much on marketing as they did on the game' and assumed that ALL such costs were included ..... so it just gets worse the more you dig.

[@DANCERcow]

This is 100% on the devs because these devs were activists

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

It cost more to make concord than it did to buy Insomniac

[@dondahighhh12]

its hard to believe Concord cost more to make than Spider Man 2 (which also required Disney licensing fee)

[@ogkage]

Holy shit

[@Slattyattack]

@@dondahighhh12 Sony owns spider man ip

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

@@Slattyattack the film rights

[@dondahighhh12]

@@Slattyattack sony had to pay $100 million to DIsney according to the Insomniac leaks, not sure if that's just for 1 game or the entire Spider man videogame franchise + Wolverine.

[@mojomitts]

RDR2 took over 8 Years to create, and costed between $370 - $540 Million dollars to make a large, visually beautiful, vastly in-depth Open World game with a great Story and tons of things to do. Concord took 8 years and $400 Million dollars to make a *Hero Shooter Game.*

[@stefandinu6389]

And it sold over 50 million copies too. So they got their money back and then some.

[@zeikers]

Literally doesn’t make sense, like what could they have possibly spent the money on to make concord?

[@rodrigoferreramenezes5274]

Is either money laundry, or Sony thought Concord was gonna be the next Overwatch. And i don't know what is more funny.

[@alus992]

It’s the same money laundering scheme as 2000s game movie adaptations. People were greenling these things to funnel money from one place/group of people to another. I’m sure there is a lot of shady shit going on there on top of terrible mismanagement

[@kwakerjak]

Those aren’t mutually exclusive possibilities.

[@decegrease]

I wish my laundry was money

[@jibjibs9401]

Not JUST Sony. It was 200 before they acquired it.

[@KevKlopper]

These were all feminists they don't do laundry.

[@Velventian]

400 million for two dozen ugly character models and a handfull of multiplayer maps. Unless everyone in this studio was doing copious amounts of company funded cocaine for 8 years the only possible explanation is something like money laundering.

[@diestormlie]

@@Velventian Not necessarily. I mean, look at Anthem. How much time and money were pissed away iterating on concepts and content that were scrapped or cut? What we got isn't all of what they made. Arguably, worse: What we got was their *pick* of what they made.

[@cernunnos_lives]

8 years of a whole dev team on cocaine makes more sense. Even Anthem was far better and cheaper

[@themurmeli88]

In the corpo world, when you are high up and fail, you get promoted even higher, and the cost of failure is just patched via firings, tax write offs, government aid packages, hedge funds and pension funds.

[@Darkeus1]

@@diestormlie Anthem didn't cost 400 Million. Not even close!

[@redfox7497]

is coke for ~150 people will be $400 millions expensive?

[@Doc-Glock]

Funniest part of Concord (so far...) is how it's been way more interesting now as a dead game (or at the very least shut down) than it was at any point when it was alive.

[@keanureeves593]

*Sony:* 200 million debt, take it or double it and pass it to next person? *Concord:* Double it *Sony:* 400 million debt. Take it or doub- *Ubisoft:* ILL TAKE IT!

[@FakeAdirTV]

(hopefully) ubisoft: 400 million debt, take it or double and give it to the next person? ACTIVISION: ILL TAKE IT!

[@UnknownEX0]

They definitely got a Star Wars level of success

[@kayne8222]

Yea definitely some lucasfìlm adjacent decisions being made

[@20Gyver]

But Star wars people enjoying and is Star wars so don't compare with sony crappie Concord 😂

[@Preston241]

Yeah a “Star Wars like success” means something very different today than 10-20 years ago.

[@kayne8222]

@@20Gyver I don't think you understand, concord IS the star wars we get now

[@captaindestruction9332]

@@kayne8222ive heard thats debatable. Ive heard its half and half. Some star Wars is great while other projects are meh to bad.

[@kboi1170]

Ubisoft’s stock is in the gutter, the ENTIRE staff of Annapurna quit, and Sony lost $400 million. Video game crash here we come, boys!

[@alus992]

Fingers crossed. Big cleanse of this industry is needed. Unfortunately people responsible for it the most (risk averse, non innovative, only spreadsheet driven MBA guys) will not pay the price for this crash. And no I don’t think some devs are not also responsible for a lot of bad games out there but it’s all these businessman who created this mess in the first place

[@Luv_Sammy]

What about the tons of other games breaking records constantly? It's not happening kid

[@Weelonmusk]

No.

[@zuriyel5368]

Would be funny if a Ghost of Tsushima 2 trailer came out like a day before or on the release day of AC: Shadows.

[@proteuswest1084]

@@alus992 I do think business people are responsible for Concord's failure, yes, but it isn't a risk averse MBA. A risk averse MBA is going to do some market research and is going to pass on the whole project because it costs too much and has a narrow chance of success. This project seems more like it got greenlit by the type of person who spends 2 million dollars to get shot into space or has an expensive art collection they never look at.

[@barsham7881]

now we know why the pro costs so much lmao

[@mikemuponda1781]

playstation pro-fit 😂

[@krazyd0nut404]

@@mikemuponda1781lmao. Should raise the duel sense controller some more. $100 controllers. Let’s go!

[@Arcademan09]

Reminder that Deadpool (2016) had a budget of about 60 million. You could have made that entire movie from scratch 6 TIMES with the budget of Concord

[@alus992]

Arcane Netflix series with 9 x 1hr episodes had budget of 100mil. It’s outstanding how Concord was an art in mismanagement and overspending

[@jimmoyjahns]

This is the case for pretty much any movie ever 💀

[@jibjibs9401]

@@jimmoyjahnsWe live in the age where the 200 mill blockbuster is becoming increasingly common. Deadpool was relatively low budget.

[@Arcademan09]

​@@jimmoyjahns Wikipedia and Google exists

[@BehuraStudio]

Game of Thrones season 1 cost like $6 million 😂

[@343Films]

Sony is cooked. Now the $800+ ps5 pro makes sense 😂

[@heyhoojoe]

This, right here, is why you shouldn't go grocery shopping when hungry - lol.

[@granujja]

I kind of envy the power of conviction of the person who got that much money

[@benrussell-gough1201]

I would definitely move him to corporate sales. They could literally make Dustborn look like a $200M game with cross-media potential.

[@ussliberty109]

Speech 100 + Barter 100

[@343Films]

​@@ussliberty109bad karma +100,000

[@Slatersan42]

Herman Hulst and any exec who championed this game should never work in the industry again. Even when we thought it only cost $100 million it was still the biggest flop in gaming history. Now that we know it cost 4x that and they thought this was the future of the company... Bro. The amount of people they had to ignore to continue on this crash course with fate is absolutely wild.

[@octavius9685]

I refused to believe this game took 8yrs and at NO POINT someone with power didnt ask, "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YALL DOING"? This is a failure of middle & upper management. But those are the guys that get all the bonuses when Devs get laid off right before the earnings reports, so....

[@Keirnoth]

I'm not gonna feel bad for the Devs because it was theier decision to make these crap designs and to be antagonistic to the audience when we called them out on their crap designs.

[@dr_diddy]

​@@Keirnoththe answer was in the podcast bud, it was hulst's baby. It was his vision. all still speculative of course.

[@octavius9685]

@@Keirnoth well im not saying the Devs didnt play a part, but the whole reason management gets all those stock options and bonuses is because they are supposed to be the guard rails to make sure shit stays tight and effective. Its their job to "manage" the devs and keep them on track..

[@jjojon7072]

It's not hard to believe that nobody wanted to say anything in fear of the potential backlash imo. It could be what you said too of course but I wouldn't be that shocked if everyone was silent.

[@siriguillo]

The developers were from bungi, and people thought they were too good to fail

[@TheChrisLouis]

Ok hold up. I think we are all focusing on the obvious too much and all the negativity. We need to focus on exactly WHO were these salesmen marketing geniuses who pitched this game and studio to Sony and made away with the heist of the century. It's quite unbelievable anyone woukd bite on this entire project especially a higher up prestigious position at Sony. It's crazy.

[@evil_vein6072]

And to think The Witcher 3 cost 81m$ to make.....

[@mrm7058]

...and it doesn't even remotely look like a $400 million game.

[@krazyd0nut404]

Or even a decent free 2 play one either 😅😅😅

[@harkaranbrar2342]

@Jin-n6s thats not how game budget works

[@harkaranbrar2342]

cause it didnt cost 400 million, use some math, 150 people getting paid 100k yearly would never be close to 400 million

[@nullpoint3346]

I've seen penny games better than this.

[@nullpoint3346]

​@@harkaranbrar2342 You're leaving out a large chunk of other expenses.

[@pedrorocha3161]

The thing about toxic positivity makes so much sense... If you see devs posting online, their entire culture revolves around pating each other on the back for every broken product they release while berating gamers and critics for calling out all the problems with performance, design, microtransactions, etc. it's ridiculous. The average dev sounds like a child unable to process negative feedback

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I'd add the price of the whole studio to the total price, which would be 400m + "undisclosed sum" (I couldn't find an official number). I wouldn't be surprised if this was at least half a billion down the toilet.

[@maofria1452]

more the marketing budget. problably half billion+ $

[@Jailtino-p1q]

From what the Rumors are saying the Studio was 100 Mio U$D, but then we still dont have the marketing like the special Controller, the Amazon Episode from Concord, (depending if thats part of the 400 Million) the weekly Cutscene, the Trailer for the Playstation Channel from the End of May, etc.

[@krazyd0nut404]

@@Jailtino-p1q if you out Source 3-5 studio for 1.5 years to get this to the finish line. I could see 200 mill easy.

[@Salafessien]

And the new co-CEO had a massive hand on this too...

[@ZwolfStriker]

Yes, The irony that the former CEO of Guerilla Games who created the killzone series promoted this shite....

[@TheForever206]

Fairgame$ developers must be sweating bullets right about now. 😅

[@aaront8609]

Meanwhile I'm over here grabbing the popcorn. The show is about to happen 😂

[@walalon8719]

And Marathon team too

[@krazyd0nut404]

Can’t wait to see them flop.

[@divinitygaming8673]

Maybe not. They're probably busy adding top surgery scars to their characters.

[@sunderwire]

What the hell is fair game $ ?

[@marty0678]

To clarify, an MVP in software development doesn't mean it's ready to sell, it just means the bare minimum work was done to get the product to meet the lowest level of requirements. MVPs are almost never in a state that is ready to sell, they are used to determine if your idea has legs to it and if you should continue investing resources to finish it into an alpha.

[@playahsan]

Star Wars level of success isn't that far from the truth. The game is about as popular as The Acolyte.

[@chaddubois8164]

Sony thought they were buying 1977 Star Wars and instead they bought 2024 Star Wars.

[@Cpt_Kakashi]

That's why Chris Roberts is the GOAT. When you keep Star Citizen in alpha for 13 years it CAN'T flop and earns you 850M USD! Those amateurs in Sony should hire him!

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

People can’t say that game is the most expensive thing anymore and well at least it’s a game u like what the trash Sony put out

[@gstylez0107]

​@@ISGAMINGFORNERDSWhat are you saying? Some of these comments are just words splat onto the screen, bordering complete illiteracy. That hardly reads like a coherent thought.. Incorrect spelling, incorrect grammar, incorrect math and the only punctuation was due to autocomplete.. Why can't people say that it's the most expensive game anymore? SC is 850 million and Concord is 400 million.. Basic math. "U" is not a word. "what the trash sony put out?" ..What the heck was this sloppy run on sentence sentence about?

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

@@gstylez0107 did your basic math also add the purchase of the studio the money they spent on marketing doest include the 400 million what about them producing all these controllers you can pony defend Sony all you want this was the biggest failure to date of a gaming company cope with it cry about it idc it’s a failure

[@TheParaxore]

It's not a game it's a tech demo ​@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS

[@gstylez0107]

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS I don't even know what you're talking about. I don't even own a playstation. I probably agree with whatever argument you're making. My point is that you're illiterate and can't form a coherent thought with English words..

[@bucktaki4163]

911: Wants the nature of your emergency Sony: I'd like to report a Robbery

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

Who greenlit that much money to be spent? Heads will roll if they haven't already

[@Tomberculosis-q1i]

Jim Ryan already ran away tho sooo

[@bl-ni1iu]

Why do you think Jim Ryan could t get out the door quick enough?

[@randompseudonym4519]

I wonder if Herman Hulst will survive this, as he was apparently a big backer of it. I've always thought he was a bad choice to lead the worldwide studios, as the Killzone and Horizon ips are mid at best, and he was in charge of Guerilla Games while those ips were developed.

[@mucklemoo9496]

The thing that really twists my melons is that Colin stated Sony has games in development that cost even more than Concord! How the hell is that sustainable?

[@RomnysGonzalez]

If Hermen Hulst, was championing Concord he deserves to be fired or demoted. How can a executive make a company lose 400 millions without counting marketing and studio buying and allow to keep his job?. Hermen is out of touch and doesn't know what can be successful. Just move him out of the way and let Hideaki Nishino take over ALONE since he's the only one with actual game development experience and studio management skills like it was showcased on how he helped Ghost of Tsushima,Uncharted collection and a few more. Hermen Hulst has been out of touch with the industry since the PS3 era. Imagine all the IP's revivals and games like Astro Boy that could be made with those 400M

[@darksungwyndolin8305]

IP revivals? There aren't any IPs according to herman 😂

[@aquapendulum]

THE FUTURE OF PLAYSTATION! [Crashes and Burns out of the door] 😂😂😂😂

[@mrturbo84]

and The Modern Audience! All makes sence now.

[@Prototype-357]

That is actually what is gonna happen if they keep running their company like this, spending hundreds of millions of dollars on projects nobody wants while ignoring all the iconic IPs we want remastered and firing all the talented devs they have (RIP JapanStudio, Asobi will carry on your legacy) while giving huge bonuses to their executives who only play mobile games. How do they expect to succeed if the people calling the shots are so out of touch with what their public wants?

[@OdinAesthetic]

Supposedly the credits are 1 hour long. That tells you something.

[@SuperSymn]

This is "the sun told me in a dream it would be a success" level of delusion

[@chaddubois8164]

I need 20,000 didgeridoos!

[@syd4n]

Like i said in the earlier videos, i think someone at sony gave a sweetheart deal to the studio..definitely some funny business going on

[@abelesperanz4196]

"Concord is the future of PLAYSTATION" "The Monkey's Paw curls"

[@johansvensson833]

what ?

[@m3divh]

800 Dollars PS5 suddenly makes so much more sense.

[@strider00svk40]

Finally someone used their brain, well done. Just what I was thinking.

[@The_Apothecary]

An extra $30 for the power cable lol

[@GothPaoki]

And apparently nobody wanted to criticise the game during development because he didn't want to be labeled anything controversial by management since this was such a big project for them.

[@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets]

This is literally the biggest failure in video game history. It's not even close. It doesn't even take the cost to run the servers for the two weeks into account. Funny thing, when everyone was saying it was 200m or 100m, I heard before all that, that it was closer to 300m. To find out it was actually 400m is absolutely bonkers

[@Child_of_woe_1994]

Concord is undeniable proof that Jim Ryan was absolutely horrible for PlayStation and it's gonna take a while for them to recover from this catastrophe

[@johansvensson833]

he was told by sony cormpare to make money on the losing ps console so he did

[@mahdimerzaei7985]

There is no way that design with that much content cost more than 100 mil

[@ArthurShotgun]

Nice Can't wait for the comedy called Fairgames and Marathon 😂🍿

[@JordanRA]

This is going to be a disaster of epic proportions and I am here for it 😂

[@qmuscroft03]

Jesus Christ PlayStation is about to crash out like the ps3 again

[@daveclement1744]

For game development I've seen 10k per month per person as the quick calculation for how much things might cost. That's average salary including each employee's share of management, HR, taxes, rent, heat, all in. That was a few years ago, might be a higher base now. Following that math for 8 years, that's 400 people. I could believe this 100%.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

This happens way too often in the entertainment industry and shows that people in charge of these projects are often extremely incompetent, or they are actually just robbing the company that's funding them, or just money laundering by the company. There is no way that all these utter garbage products actually take this much money to make. GHOST OF TSUSHIMA had a 60 million dollar budget. Really think about that when you see that these garbage half baked games with much less content cost well over150 to 200 million, and Concord was 400 million. Sony would be brainless if they weren't investigating that studio and getting rid of at least 80% of the people working there.

[@HasturBeta]

The fact that everyone said it was actually decent to play makes so much more sense now that we know they outsourced all the video game parts of the video game

[@Ahmed-to9hi]

Gta 5 was around 250mil, even with inflation, with 400mil they could have made a game like gta 5

[@BigBrods]

@@Ahmed-to9hi they couldn’t have because it would have still sucked 😂

[@topa1804]

Concord feels like a parody game you’d see on a billboard in GTA

[@nakai86p]

Many gamers have been begging for years for a remaster or at least a pc port of Bloodborne. It's basically the easiest and fastest way for Sony to make a lot of money...but no, they rather spend 400 Million Dollars on a game that almost every one was telling them would fail. How out of touch do you have to be? It boggles my mind. This has nothing to do with business. It''s just sheer incompetence and it goes through the entire triple A gaming-industry. No wonder developing Triple-A-gamest has become so expensive. It's completely overblown and leadership more often than not seems to have no idea what they are doing and are in their position not because of skill, but relationships.

[@HonorboundWolf]

To put this in perspective, Star Citizen had raised 500 million about 2-3 years ago.

[@Samurai_2029]

400M is believable as the games credits is over an hour long, obviously from al the outsourcing to get the game done for release/deadline.

[@TheDarkKratoz]

I truly feel that Sony proper should do a lawsuit against Jim Ryan for his gross mismanagement of the PlayStation brand. Edit: I seriously don't understand what happened to PlayStation when the late PS3 and early PS4 era was popping off. You had a team of executives that understood what their consumers wanted, and it was catapulting the PS4 to extreme success, off the back of the atrocious PS3 launch. Then, at the peak of the brand's reputation, they completely reconfigure the executive team, install an game-hating accountant as the CEO, get rid of Shawn Layden, demote Shuehei Yoshida, and start pissing away money on buying teams to... What, replace Call of Duty? A game that is not the reason anyone buys a PS5 for?

[@Supernaut11506]

I feel like there's been a lot lost in translation or something, I legitimately don't see any way the game cost this much. Maybe Sony budgeted $400 million total for like the game's development/first 5 years of live service (so 2019-2029) and a dev confused that for the game's budget up to this point. The game had like 16 characters and 12 sameish looking maps/4 game modes on release, I seriously don't see how on any level the math checks out. I absolutely believe every word about the "toxic positivity" culture that led to the game's design decisions though LMAO

[@mrturbo84]

Some Artist earn 80$ an Hour. But i believe the inflated the Budget becasue they believed how they said, have a Star Wars Level IP cooking. They where 100% certain they would make the Money back.

[@dr_diddy]

​@@mrturbo84yh the podcast basically answers the question, it was 200 million until Sony came in to bring it out of alpha which was another 200. the additional 200 being spent on the outsourced studios.

[@charaznable8072]

Negative 400m dollars plus the cost to buy the studio how does that Herman dude still have a job lol.

[@exiaxzero]

Most of the money went to travel expenses, they had to shoot on location on various other planets. 🤣

[@omegaXjammur]

Give me $20 and 6 months and I'll give you a Concord.

[@kboi1170]

Give me Chipotle and a cup of coffee and I’ll make a “Concord” in the bathroom about 6 hours later.

[@omegaXjammur]

@@kboi1170 careful, your Concord might actually make a profit

[@TJaeSpeaks]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂​@@kboi1170

[@krazyd0nut404]

@@kboi1170 Atleast u made something of value😅😅😅

[@gs8494]

@@kboi1170 Chipotle and coffee, and you'll make concord and a couple of sequels in 6 hours. :P

[@NarbsTheGreat]

$400 Million is alot, but saying Concord Cost Near Half A Billion makes it sound worse

[@bruceyawen6160]

I welcome thee to the decade of "the naysayers were right"

[@barnuner]

Hulst was a Huge Bungie fan and Concord was a lot of prominent former Bungie people.

[@SuperTommox]

Half a billion dollars lost is wild

[@PeaceLove69]

I love how Colin left Kinda Funny and IGN and is bigger then ever

[@rafterman5072]

This game was obviously a monumental failure, but I don’t buy the 400 million dollar budget. The developer is either exaggerating, getting their wires crossed or something is being lost in translation. Developers wouldn’t even be privy to that kind of information. The long term budget IF the game continued long term would have maybe projected to have been that amount, but 400 million for four years of active development with an 150 person team makes no sense. Not to mention the fact that this game had close to no marketing.

[@DMP1982]

@@rafterman5072 yep this seems off. Just that some ‘reliable’ source says it was 400million it doesn’t mean it is the truth. It makes no sense you can burn that much money on the development of this game with the 0 marketing behind it.

[@bladelazoe]

Agree'd it doesn't make sense, nothing adds up.

[@borismaric130]

They spent 200 millions before Sony bought them and they had non playable game so they had to bring outside help that's another 200 millions but that dont in marketing merch or studio buyout it probably loss over 600 millions

[@ivbenjaminart1030]

Imagine spending that much money on reviving Anthem, a Live service that some people actually miss lol

[@CrunchyBrownie5]

I suspect black rock (the investment group) are pulling strings with executives to not only make games like this but to also short the stocks of game companies so they can swoop in and buy more shares. This kind of corporate espionage should be illegal

[@KaoKacique]

To put it into perspective, here's some things that cost around 400 million: Space Shuttle Launch (450 million) The building of Paris Line 14 and Berlim line U5 (200 million each) Five F-35 Lighting II stealth fighters (80 to 100 million each) 400 Bradley IFVs (1.11 million each) The yearly commercial and real-state revenue of the whole catholic church (585 million)

[@liaminwales]

The studio is based in Washington near Seattle, it's not a cheap location. Firewalk Studios was part of ProbablyMonsters who got a lot of seed funding, part of the money may be the seed funding money? edit makes me think of John Romero and Daikatana.

[@ronin4303]

I’m so serious that someone needs to investigate Concord development. I want to think that this was just advance money laundering dude. Shit doesn’t make sense. 400 million? Down the drain

[@Prototype-357]

We finally know what is the Cost of Concordia.

[@MegaDarkness5000]

I do not think the 3.6 billion dollars that spent for Bungie helped.

[@gp-1542]

Remember, they refunded people who bought the game, which added more to the deficit

[@CanadianChick811]

So maybe the PS5 Pro price was a result of this...

[@MrBashem]

There's a lot of feedback loops in these companies. Lots of the leaders are just patting themselves on the back to see how inclusive and diverse they can be.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

I have no idea why people had faith in Hermen Hulst. From what I can tell, he was one of the big pushers of PS moving away from Japan. Sure Jim Ryan put PS towards the path, but Hermen put Sony on an equally distructive path and basically stripped Japan out of Playstation. He also pushed for the closure of Japan studios. I would even bet that he ignited an anti-Japan movement over at Japan, because the shift PS had from just a few years ago, when they were still headquartered at Japan, but moved to Cali, I'd bet that was in part Hermen's doing. Stripping JP out of PS was the worst thing to happen to PS. The moment, or even before he was put in charge, he imediately put PS down this path. A path towards still some live service, but also this out of touch design and themes around these games that FEELS like it came straight out of LA and Montreal.

[@Foxleu]

8 years of development and 400 million, you could make a red dead 2 scale game out of it

[@TheMrNukeman]

Jim Ryan is the cause of this nightmare, thankfully for Sony he is gone now.

[@gs8494]

I think it's too late, the damage that was done during his live service will make billions for us circle jerk will hurt PlayStation for a long time to come.

[@Tomberculosis-q1i]

F ck Concord lets talk about that upcoming failure Marathon. Nothing to show for. All we know it'll cost 40 bucks, Goodluck sony 😂😂😂

[@krazyd0nut404]

Let me guess they will this a console exclusive also? Lmao

[@nashdiy8570]

Oh no. *nervous laughter* OH NO. 😂😂😂

[@jasong.451]

Man, if I had that kind of money to waste, I might consider buying a PS5 Pro.

[@Testostallone]

Good video! I just want to add to your assumption that Concord only happened because of Jim Ryan, no. Hermen hulst, who now leads Playstation, shares the same enthusiasm for live service games. And Sonys CEO also reiterated a few months ago that live service games is how they plan to finance the ever growing budgets of their cinematic single player games. This situation cant be pinned on one person.

[@INFPeace-]

The more I learn about this colossal fail, the more amused I become! 😂😂😂😂

[@loganlevesques]

Don't worry they've got 2 more massive flops coming Fairgames and Marathon

[@Alwaysttango]

-> sees the thumbnail "this is definetly money laundering" -> it gets mentioned in the first two minutes LOL

[@reveragew]

Isn’t this the same as what’s going to happen with fairgame$? It’s an illusion of a game developed by a industry veteran (Jade Raymond who btw led Stadia) and lured Sony to cough up millions

[@jacksoncabrera7236]

We’re at the movie budget point now fellas

[@timpage9424]

PlayStation man until I die over here, but Sony deserves the financial hit on this one. Absolutely insane not one higher up didn't see this failing. Hell after the game reveal they should've gone back to the drawing board.

[@lesslighter]

Sony will not die though so its just a small hit in their overall financials Unless Sony Music stops its recording label, Sony Imaging can no longer develop their own sensors, Sony Finance had a bank run, Sony Films just collapse, Sony semiconductor ran out of sand, Sony Appliance can no longer buy parts from Sony Semiconductor, and Sony computer in the same alley I'm pretty sure they still make VAIO laptops.....

[@koagz]

It's so bad it feels like money laundering

[@AnthonyVilla-g9i]

Concord is a couple of characters and a few maps. Something is wrong with the modern development process.

[@ziebus904]

The only reasonable thing is either 1 they scraped like 75% of game because it wasnt ready of devs didnt allow it 2 they reworked entire game from base like 2-4times

[@AnthonyVilla-g9i]

@@ziebus904 yeah, I think they just couldn’t get it right.

[@Figure-Out]

Sony CFO should start auditing, 400mil is crazy 😅

[@blainehankins]

And we wonder why Sony wants $700 for PS5 Pro?

[@HuntressGamer]

😂😂😂. True. I am sorry but not buying that super expensive console I am good with my disc PS5.

[@NickJR528]

With Sony raising the price of the PS5 outside the U.S. before Concord was revealed that seems unlikely

[@MegaDarkness5000]

​@NickJR528 Concord's half a billion on top of 3.6 billion from buying Bungie. Yeah, it's not surprising that they are bumping up prices.

[@MrStanis00]

Maybe they meant Star Wars Acolyte level of success

[@johansvensson833]

move on dude

[@MrStanis00]

@@johansvensson833 Next on the menu: Ac Shadows

[@George_M_]

Sony needs to pay more taxes if they have this much goddamn money to waste.

[@Igoreshkin]

Few maps, few characters, no story, no marketing, quick servers shutdown...where 400 millions goes???

[@wkadalie]

Clearly some one got rich..maybe Jim Ryan planning his retirement fund.

[@zombiehampster1397]

Its a Battlefield Earth situation it seems.

[@Ahmed24-tt9ow]

That movie didnt cost 400 mil

[@dogwithsunglasses4051]

That Ship sinking metaphor gave me Ys Flashbacks

[@GothPaoki]

Casual reminder Luke gave this dumpster fire a 7!!

[@dr_diddy]

a game can be decent and fail, Xdefiant for example.

[@CosmicOxen44]

Also stoked for Veilguard

[@GothPaoki]

@@dr_diddy there's not a single thing this game did well. How would you call sth like that decent??

[@tim_despair]

Cause Luke can’t say anything bad about a game with the lgbt agenda, can’t upset these people, you know. Pathetic

[@wiliestrogue2924]

He's a shill.

[@gurninator]

The strategy behind MVP is to get a product to market as quickly and cheaply as possible to find out how the market will react to it and to build on it or pivot using market feedback. It is a risk mitigation strategy and allows you to gather requirements using real world data rather than trying to figure out what people might want.

[@Faktor13]

So the higher ups at Sony have absolutly no idea wjat a good game is?

[@SirSchwimmie]

Concord’s failure reminds me of the Hooli UFC Livestream from Silicon Valley. Would not be surprised Gavin Belson showed up somewhere in the acquisition of Concord

[@alexramirez4110]

Youd be surprised how much money talentless, activists devs can waste when given 8 years to do it, Overwatch 2's disastrous existence opened the door for this game to step in and take over its place, but they cared more about politics instead of making a fun interesting game

[@proteuswest1084]

I am constantly surprised at how much energy and vitriol that people dedicate to this one specific take, and how broadly they apply it to every situation.

[@alexramirez4110]

@proteuswest1084 yeah it's crazy how much people say the reason the game failed lol which is exactly what i said

[@GothPaoki]

I mean you can call it vitriol but it's the truth..

[@TheDarkdemonking]

This doesn't sound realistic, especially knowing how small this team was during most of this game development. This studio was officially formed in 2018. In 2019, there was a dev count of 13 working out of the studio heads attic. Sony announced partnership in 2021. 2022, they finally got an official studio, and the headcount around 100. I'm supposed to believe they were already funded 200 million before even Sony stepped in? Probably Monsters got all the funding through kickstarting. The most they ever had is about 200 million spread through 4 different development teams. None of this adds up to a quarter of this 400 million cost.