I made the Sonic community VERY ANGRY

[@HamsterMaster8]

Coney: "Make your own opinions, dont be influenced by an online personality" Me: "Yeah! Youre right!"

[@ghostkill221]

Also Coney : "this one game is BAD and people should be fired" Which implies he thinks his opinion should influence things.

[@cycy8699]

Yeah!

[@matthewbartlett3442]

ghostkill: I don’t get the concept of exaggerating on the internet for the sake of humor

[@buchii8710]

"i want people to get mad at me a little" my guy, coney. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF RAGE BAITING

[@CONEYZZ]

OHHHHHH

[@buchii8710]

@@CONEYZZ Man keep being you, you’re a god send XD

[@castform7]

Classic Coney, never change.

[@srsbizman6649]

@@buchii8710This but only because I really want to see the downfall arc and get gifted a free gift sub as an apology!

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

@@CONEYZZ Im convinced you have one brain cell

[@darthronnoc]

2:23 whoever in chat said "Rouge the bat CHANGED me" most others cower in your presence and your bravery

[@SlyHikari03]

Rouge is based tbh.

[@KokonutOil]

I look in disgust

[@grunkleg.2934]

To be fair, no way SEGA could've unleashed someone who looks and acts like Rouge onto the world without it affecting the brain chemistry of some people

[@slades_salad]

spittin facts

[@RealCaptainPingu]

Relatable statement right there

[@therealchoopo]

To be fair Sonic has Shadow the Hedgehog and he can use chaos control so yeah checkmate "Coney"

[@Jumby08]

Choopo is the last thing that I thought that I would see in the comment section of a Coney video. What's up, man?

[@CONEYZZ]

*gets stuck in stasis for 100 millenia" NOOOOO

[@djk1563]

@@CONEYZZMY OC would have used his super lasers and turned shadow into a quesadilla.

[@KongQuest95]

What a well-formed rebuttal. I bet this guy knows a lot of Poptropica lore. Maybe even 25 minutes worth.

[@frickerrific2813]

Thank you choopo when’s the Sonic video?

[@yacobo4397]

Broke: "coney said my favorite game sucks time to get mad and flame him" Woke: "Coney said my favorite game sucks? Now im more confident in its quality."

[@clock3799]

Can’t let the harbinger of failure like my favorite things

[@tally.klecko]

so true lmao

[@reggielacey2235]

Hea wrong on both

[@canal4046]

Cope ​@@reggielacey2235

[@garanbevan2221]

You’re on point there brother

[@TheEcoolarg]

Love Coney motto of: Im not ragebaiting I just have a shit eating grim while I give my unpopular opinion

[@PokeBallerLuke]

No joke but your attitude about all of this is a good lesson for me. I get way too worked up over social media shit and it’s truthfully just never that serious

[@sideshowkrill]

9/10 most posts are made to be controversial for the views and attention

[@PokeBallerLuke]

@@sideshowkrill for sure

[@moosesues8887]

Pissing people off on the internet came with your internet 😭 it’s neva dat serious

[@AquaticNebula]

Legit goated takeaway

[@nodestar6245]

Idk how they assumed Coney was a smash guy. For the past two years he's been Mr plays anything but smash

[@lunasperidot8760]

Because hes widely known for smash content?

[@hedgehogsonic11]

So have most people who came up through Smash

[@nodestar6245]

@@lunasperidot8760 didn't think I needed the /s, but it was a comment on how recently Coney has done everything you could about smash other than play it

[@ckorp666]

they skimmed a wikipedia page and filled in the blanks to form a narrative that they confidently assert as true. standard operating procedure for discourse warriors

[@haydensmith9531]

I think its because around the time the tweets were made was when he was playing and commentating smash games, I'm pretty sure those tweets were from 2020

[@Joshyboy225]

“Smashers are fucking weird” Jesus christ I have never heard a more true statement

[@FilthyTea]

Shoutouts to Leffen, he’s such a hero

[@aa9945]

leffen is also an antisocial weirdo lmao

[@khush_img]

my go to example is Dabuz. I genuinely crawled out my skin when I saw certain compilation vids on here lol

[@tumultoustortellini]

@@khush_img how bad is he?

[@xavierlehew6746]

​​@@tumultoustortelliniHe's prayed to his waifu before a set once. It's bad.

[@Cosplaybuddygiraffes]

Coney truly cannot lose an argument because the literal second he mentions he made the tweet while he was enjoying his time at the beach with his family, he’s already established that he is Above these petty foolish gamers. Truly an unbeatable strategy

[@castform7]

All you need to do to win an online war against you is to just not care which once you think about it isn't that hard of a task.

[@zanpakutoman4225]

New Meta: Start Twitter beefs while out on vacation with family or some other real world privilege and come home and tweet "Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to all these angry comments. I was busy being offline."

[@CyclonSilver]

@@zanpakutoman4225 Thing is, that's not a new meta at all, people have been doing it for years :D Not necessarily on purpose, but they'll definitely let you know how much they were "busy with more important things", it's a pretty common response

[@reggielacey2235]

Um.no

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

@@CyclonSilverJesus Christ how much are you on Twitter?

[@zanpakutoman4225]

14:44 "And?" Is a crazy response. That's like the ultimate "I want to keep arguing" response.

[@MasterAbeer101]

The whole war Coney caused from a single Tweet needs to be studied cause that shit was TRENDING on Twitter 😂

[@hahalerymc6878]

He should never have any problem for politic rage baiting from now on then if he's gonna do this

[@VVheeli]

High personal impact, low actual impact twitter wars are so funny. Like watching a heated political debate of two extreme opposite parties, but over “if Sonic Adventure was a 9/10 or a 6/10”.

[@cdr_fishy4683]

@@hahalerymc6878 why are you bringing up politics we're talking about Sonic the Hedgehog

[@hahalerymc6878]

@@cdr_fishy4683 rage baiting doesn't matter what topic you bring up. It's still rage baiting. You are purposefully saying something stupid to get engagement. Are you 5 and couldn't find a difference?

[@feralsecco]

As a Sonic fan, we get mad no matter WHAT your opinion on the games are. Simply acknowledging Sonic's existence as a franchise is enough to piss at least one Sonic fan off.

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

Don't even get me started with the Ian Flynn haters.

[@zeldafan6124]

@@ArynBacklogDragon or Ian Flynn fans

[@castform7]

​​@@zeldafan6124Both sides of the spectrum are WEIRD. I don't think Ian's an awful writer and he can make some cool stories (definitely better than the 2010's though not a high bar). I just don't like some stuff about his writing like the references in Frontiers or Sonic's general character in IDW. People treat these 2 opinions as mutually exclusive concepts.

[@CyclonSilver]

Yeah, that's part of it, it's an insane community and there's just so many of us. If you're the fanbase of a franchise with many mediocre to bad games, chances are you don't have the numbers to ratio people on Twitter, but we do... so...

[@andersonsansonowski5644]

@@ArynBacklogDragon true

[@Xanek]

Name a more iconic duo, Coney and triggering / making a community mad with a single post. 19:39 Coney from 4 years ago knew of his inevitable fate.

[@crownified]

The one clip is so fucking funny in retrospect

[@Pleia_Ds]

10/10 baiting I’m not even mad this is impressive 🤣🤣🤣

[@jorantheamazing]

I would say Coney and Cringe

[@youngrootv]

I’m not the biggest fan or anything of Sonic, but Coney saying that most people don’t care about it is an INSANE take. People LOVE that blue rat and his friends.

[@boogsss2]

You misunderstood the video. Coney said that he thinks most people who have played the newer games think they're ass.

[@charliecampbell6851]

You think.....50%.....of gamers....... like Sonic?

[@youngrootv]

@@charliecampbell6851 most are probably indifferent, but I would say that more people like Sonic than dislike Sonic for sure.

[@TyroRobin]

I think people will take an attack on a media franchise they consume and enjoy as a personal attack on their own character, and I urge people to try and get out of that mindset. You can enjoy something and acknowledge it has flaws

[@joplin4434]

these people make ocs of their game, it is their identity lol

[@guilhermejordan8661]

That's so true man

[@ashleylongley1628]

Yeah I agree but to an extent it’s understandable when someone says “your game is dog shit and no one likes it” (not what coney said and still doesn’t excuse bad behaviour) because that’s clearly antagonising and not putting forward any actual criticism and it’s just not fair in general to anyone. At that point when there’s no criticism and it’s just being mean it becomes an attack on your taste and that’s not ok generally. Again doesn’t excuse death threats and other horrid behaviour but it’s not just the people getting defensive that need to think about their mindset, people making criticism also need to word it in a way that’s actually constructive

[@Gamsterjeff600]

I wouldn't outright call it all terrible

[@GumPunk]

I wont call it a psy-op, but with how Sonic's social media was handled and how the games at the time were written being a sonic fan in the 2010s was genuinely miserable lmao. The discourse was fr inescapable.

[@sethgaston8347]

It *HAD* to be on purpose. They did farrr to little to stop it 🤣

[@rcole7274]

For me, the hatred for sonic leaked into the real world. Kid me hated talking to other students until sophomore year of high school because I played Sonic Advance 1 on my DS in grade 2 (I think) at school, that and my depression since I was ~5 flaring up, I grew up alone even at home

[@grimboishungry9218]

Yeah that shit blew ass. Saying you like sonic had to come with a lot of irony

[@CyclonSilver]

That's my big problem with all of this, I'm really glad it's behind us (hopefully) but now we're going to pretend it was all in our heads ? Yeah, hm, fuck that though ? Granted I get that Coney is just saying "games bad so games got smoked and that's all there is to it", but like, even if I disagree with that premise ultimately, most importantly I don't know if he realizes the amount of shit that got thrown on a daily basis, for close to a decade.

[@brendanmetivier511]

​@CyclonSilver No one is claiming people didn't get flamed for liking sonic at the time. That's not what this discourse was about. The original tweet claimed that 2010s sonic hate was a psyop, that people didn't sincerely believe sonic games were bad. That's objectively false

[@hergzcool]

this guy who drank antifreeze and we’re meant to pay attention to him

[@CONEYZZ]

it was like a drop

[@pugman9672]

@@CONEYZZone drop too many.

[@hergzcool]

@@CONEYZZ it was antifreeze nonetheless

[@ClavaleeDefunct]

​@@CONEYZZclearly the drop did something to your brain to make you think arguing with the Sonic fanbase in any capacity is a good idea

[@somewhat8715]

@@ClavaleeDefuncthe did bring us a good moral

[@maxwelldimensio]

People on the internet encountering a SECURE, EMOTIONALLY MATURE, ADULT and getting whiplash is hilarious

[@reggielacey2235]

Hes not that

[@lillieofthevlly]

@@reggielacey2235 lmao the pfp

[@daEINSTEINkid1]

​@reggielacey2235 just rebrand to 'sonicfan2235' mate

[@FowaJCT]

The main reason why Sonic fans are so mean to people with negative takes is because Sega has a habit of exclusively listening to creators with audiences and abandoning their fanbase.

[@pugman9672]

Yes they are creator states their opinion and it doesn’t reflect the view of the wider fanbase they get nervous that Sega will only listen to that creator think they represent all gamers opinion. It doesn’t excuse some sonic fans fan behaving like dicks but it’s understandable as to why they behave that way.

[@whymethough2701]

Then take that up with Sega. Taking game criticism as a personal attack is never not going to be corny and lame.

[@Aswoop9000]

The sonic fanbase would not help Sonic at all

[@FowaJCT]

@@whymethough2701 Oh, believe me... They LOVE to bitch to SEGA.

[@FowaJCT]

​@@whymethough2701 Believe me when I say, Sonic fans LOVE bitchin to Sega. It's how they spend their days

[@ImTheGuy]

Coney wages a one man war against Sonic and his friends. He truly is Robotnik.

[@DapperIndividual]

To me, Sonic is supposed to be corny, I mentally categorize it as a shonen frachise like Dragon Ball or Hunter X Hunter.

[@slwoo7432]

He wasn’t like that before he adventure

[@Neo-Metal17]

IMO Sonic is whatever the time period thinks is cool. In the 90s he was just a cool, fun guy, in the early 2000s he was also a cool guy but his hames were pretty edgy, in 2010s he was more self aware and self depricating in a way, and after Frontiers (2020s) he's whatever he wants to be, he's his own man.

[@redstar587o7]

Baut used to be beleveable

[@boogsss2]

Goku is cool tho

[@joshshrum2764]

Yeah i remember when Sonic got really gory it’s not really like hunter x hunter, more Naruto.

[@Mag2234]

The fact that you interacted with the Wave the Swallow PFP is funny af cause most of the online Sonic fans know that person is kinda crazy and from my perspective, I just say back and though” oh no, this man don’t know what he just started” haha

[@Alibaba-id1cs]

Like the more I see Coney respond to that Wave the Swallow the more I knew my man was so cooked I’m just impressed he didn’t get canceled with how much worse his replies got

[@maximyllion]

dude that person is do fucking annoying and pointlessly negative all the goddamn time

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

I think Sonic fans are so defensive because the entire ethos of Sonic is unabashedly liking the cool and campy and edgy things purely because they are cool and campy and edgy, and that sort of straightforward appeal was exactly what became LEAST popular in most gaming circles. It’s less about KZbin specifically or even the quality of the games, I think. It’s just that the fan base and the games they enjoy have been relentlessly shit on for the better part of a decade. I’m not defending the insane behavior here, but that’s what I think bred this contempt for “sonic hate.”

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

Yeah, Sonic as a franchise became the butt of the joke for like a decade because of people saying shit like "Sonic was never good" and "rough transition to 3D", stuff which has zero basis in fact if you pay attention to how the franchise was received prior to the dark times. If Sonic wasn't good, he wouldn't have survived going up against Mario, and for all its flaws Sonic Adventure was received really well at the time and is still fun today. People just formulated the idea Sonic Adventure was a mess because the most widely available version of it is a messy port that introduced bugs the original game never had.

[@dexetex5846]

It’s because sega makes a few bad sonic games and people just think they can’t make good games

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

@@dexetex5846I think that’s another reason Sonic Fans get so defensive, they feel the need to make people look past Sonic’s failures, seeing as his worst games are kinda what he’s known for in a lot of circles. Again, not defending the weirdo behavior (if you didn’t watch the full stream there were some OMEGA WEIRDOS) but I try really hard to consider this stuff when discussing Sonic

[@LeftOdogus]

I think it was just how the games were so ass for so long and Sonics personality didn't help at all

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

@@LeftOdoguswhether or not the criticism was warranted for these games isn’t really debatable imo, most Sonic games, even the good ones, have some rough flaws. What I think Sonic fans are defensive over is more so the reception of their games in spite of that criticism, because much of gaming discourse paints their fan base as childish cringe lords. As for his personality, I think it did cause a schism (ie coney hating Sonic upon Adventure’s release because of it) but I wouldn’t say it’s an undeniable sore spot as far as the Series’ overall strength. Theres a reason he’s got 2 movies

[@Jelliott_ssb]

That u.s marine is so real for committing to the bit

[@castform7]

As a Sonic fan, seeing the thumbnail immediately set me off to know I was in for a ride. I didn't really like the 2010 era for Sonic *because* it made Sonic a joke where multiple people had very shaky critiques along with judging it through a hyper modern lense but I do feel like blaming specific people is a little corny especially when SEGA themselves were playing into it. Arin didn't make himself the brand ambassador. In general if anyone has any qualms with any Sonic game nowadays, I look at it, judge if its worth my time, reply respectfully or even meme a bit and move on with my day. I love this franchise but could not be bothered to engage seriously in something like this. Hell, *I'm* critical of the franchise. It's not like it's known for consistency. To end my rambling, Sonic is a weird ass thing that is guaranteed to spark loud conversation. Like what you like, don't like what you don't. Just don't lie about it or be funny and we're cool.

[@UnOc2]

Off topic. I started watching Coney a few weeks ago, and I have been going through the cringe confessions videos. I have been in a bit of a weird headspace lately, mainly thanks to ADHD (not really doing anything/not knowing what to do), but those videos are very watchable and very fun. All that to say, Coney is a riot, and I am glad he makes videos. If any of you have reached this far: I hope you are okay and drinking enough water.

[@taxenofhearts]

I agree that sonic fans can be way to jumpy and defensive about this stuff BUT Imagine your favorite franchise being the ironic and unironic butt of video game discussion for two decades. Anyone would go full on Joker arc after that

[@CONEYZZ]

We can be the Joker together

[@jonfro-mez]

Who cares, get over it. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MAKING FUN OF MY PRECIOUS BLUE HEDGEHOG GAME FOR TOO LONG!!!

[@M4Dbrat]

How the hell did I avoid becoming this jumpy and defensive about it? It's almost like I knew I had reasons to love Sonic, I could see the numerous amazing sides of the franchise (if they weren't there, why would I like it, then?) and could appreciate them without tying my whole personality to it and blinding myself to its bad parts. The Internet has changed. The online Sonic fandom prior to 2010s wasn't afraid to shit on each others' tastes. People who liked classics found Adventure insulting, people who liked Adventure found the classics boring. Everyone dunked on 06, and people who liked 06 retaliated. Debates on whether Heroes was the best or actually worse than 06... That's just nerd culture, it is how it is, it's real and it's FUN, it means people have genuine passion, it means the franchise has a soul. And if even we dunk on each other, of course there will be people from outside dunking on us too. The people who had the biggest butthurt from the GameGrumps drama in 2015 were mostly DeviantArtists/Tumblrites who were busy drawing OCs instead of fully engaging with the games and the rest of Sonic media, and having proper conversations. And now they've outnumbered the nerds and taken over the fandom

[@fissilewhistle]

It’s their fault for liking Sonic.

[@FerousFolly]

we need more Coney vs Twitter recap segments, this shit is just too good, he's such a phenomenal tweeter

[@doom3926]

I only saw this happening passively on Twitter and it was fun reading what was going on and not that long after Chaomix made that one video that got Sonic fans to agree on the 2010s era of the franchise which was the reason people were looking back at these old reviews in the first place. I’ve been a Sonic fan most of my life and I’ve played most of the games often enough that I understand why some people may not like even some of the better games in the series that have come out since the first Adventure game. Because look, OG versions or not, while I like both Adventure games, Adventure 1 in particular being one of my personal favorite games in the series, I do find myself only playing the Sonic and Shadow levels in the respective games when I replay them, I don’t replay the story unless I for whatever reason lost a save or I bought a new version of these games. I know the games well enough to play the other gameplay styles well and consistently clear them quickly but I still always felt they’re the weakest parts of the games. That’s where I understand where Projared is coming from with his take, it’s very understandable to play these games for the first time and just mentally check out in any level that doesn’t play like a traditional Sonic level and that makes up the majority of both Adventure games. And yeah, the people who played Adventure 1 and 2 on other versions that aren’t the originals, that really isn’t their fault. Shoot, a lot of Sonic fans started with Adventure 2 Battle, the Gamecube version as their first game in the series because that’s how many Nintendo fans got introduced to Sonic, it wasn’t until years later where more people started to pick up on the Dreamcast versions of the Adventure games being more polished so anyone jumping into the series for the first time now shouldn’t be expected to immediately know that themselves, the Adventure games are on Steam, you can buy them normally like every other officially licensed video game on the platform, of course most people who are interested are going to look there first and not even consider that there’s a better version they can emulate or something.

[@beheeyemite]

i just got into the series this year and sonic fans on twitter are constantly fighting amongst each other over nothing so hearing about this is not surprising. i like the adventure games but coney has the personality where even if he doesnt like your thing any bashing he does is in good fun so the videos are still fun to watch.

[@donutpilgrim460]

I feel like people should know not to take coneys opinions seriously. He makes funny content, not serious content or reviews. Keep in mind he’s the one person in the world who hates breath of the wild

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

The point of the whole video is that we shouldn’t really take ANYONE’S opinions that seriously , but also yeah Coney’s secretly a hipster (his current GOTY is Yellow Taxi Goes Vroom ICANT)

[@thenoseguy]

I hate Breath of the Wild too

[@dave9515]

@@WhyYouWahYoo Ah so he is a man of culture you would say cause that indie goes hard.

[@nintendom7293]

What about Scott hates breath of the wild. That KZbin channel is about Scott hating on breath of the wild

[@thenoseguy]

@@nintendom7293 True

[@Angelofo]

Sometimes games just don't click with people. Every one of my friends who didnt grow up with mario, absolutely HATED marip 64 controls.

[@joshshrum2764]

That’s because of the terrible controller.

[@randomperson7350]

This vid is gonna start a whole 'nother discourse on twitter 💔

[@shadowhunter9976]

Coney essentially has Jester's Privilege.

[@treedude4246]

Ive never seen coney better explained

[@bbumbs747]

As someone who likes SA2, I really do think your overall experience with SA2 is extremely valid. Especially looking back at my first time playing the game, which in short I hated the game at first, the reason why I ended up liking it later on was because as I played it more I started learning strategies that helped me get through the game. So overall because of that experience I could always understand why people hate the game sue to that experience, and ngl your experience does sound about right overall.

[@unseenasymptote4976]

The thing with weird internet communities is that people end up in them because they can’t find places to fit in irl. Those people are often overly defensive with their interests because they’re used to being ostracized. Their defensive actions then ostracize their internet community, and it forms echo chambers

[@matthewbartlett3442]

that’s so true and I don’t think I’ve heard a better explanation. Also mental illness plays a big part in it, not a joke

[@GimR]

This was a fun little week of twitter

[@TheRealZura]

:)

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

Yeah, as someone growing up with the Sonic Adventure games and Heroes, and replaying them quite a few times after developing my own critical sense. Yeah, this was crap during the 2010s. It became the popular thing to hate. It was a pain in the ass to be a fan of 3D Sonic when even thr official social media was getting in on mocking Sonic's history.

[@itsturniptime3699]

If you did this with Pokémon people would start trying to hunt you for sport

[@CONEYZZ]

I haven't played a mainline pokemon since 1998 so it would be unfair but most of what I see are pokemon fans themselves saying it sucks

[@itsturniptime3699]

@@CONEYZZ While true, if anyone with a mildly large to actually large audience says it on Twitter, either nothing happens or *Everything* happens

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

@@CONEYZZconey you don’t understand. NorthernLion mis-categorized Luxray while playing PokeDoku and got CRUCIFIED. It doesn’t matter if they like the games or not

[@VVheeli]

The thing about pokemon is the media surrounding the games more than makes up for how technically mediocre the actual mainline games are. The movies, anime, all the plushies and toys and merch, even the TCG are all good enough to excuse the games being pretty copy-paste for a while.

[@lukebytes5366]

@@VVheeli don't forget the spinoffs

[@BlackKatKam]

Nevermind i just heard the DMC take and i had to legitimately take a step back question wheter i ever wanna watch another Coney video

[@VVheeli]

“There have been no good 3D sonic games” is good Coney gaslighting. The funnier option is “There is exactly one good/innovative 3D Sonic game and it’s Sonic and the Secret Rings”.

[@ArcadeStriker]

Juat finished watching the video, the plot twist of SA2 without a frame rate cap was unexpected (and yet its somehow less busted than SA1's Steam port- even Sonic players know both have issues and use fixes), but I think what surprised me even more was Coney giving a moment of redemption to Tonkatruck (and the "like the shit you want" message)

[@WarrenValion]

I really don't see how your skill at a game determines your ability to judge the content within the game. As long as you have experienced the game, you can criticize it. Don't know why this was used as an argument against your tweet so heavily.

[@CONEYZZ]

I sorta get it if you're not competent enough to see enough of the game to make a judgement or "get" the gameplay but I got all the way to the end of both games and ran into game-killing glitches I couldn't get around

[@WarrenValion]

@@CONEYZZ Yeah, criticizing what you yourself haven't experienced is stupid. But that wasn't you in this case, so all seems to me that they couldn't find a reason to dispute your main talking point and threw around the first ad hominem that was made known to them. Sorry you dealt with that. Was pretty funny tho, ngl.

[@assassinonprozac]

They weren’t even judging his gameplay, they were basing this solely off of the arbitrary end of stage rankings he got. I love these kinds of ranking systems but nine times out of 10 they are either completely broken, way too lenient, or way too strict, and Sonic is no exception.

[@joshshrum2764]

Yeah the games are still cheesy, and i love Sonic, i hate tails voice I’m heroes though they made him sound so immature compared to the adventure titles.

[@joshshrum2764]

@@CONEYZZMan you could have beat the game so you could list everything you dislike about it.

[@Norrabal]

This should be fun A lot of sonic fans are extremely protective of the franchise, but like at the same time, spiteful? Its almost like how they treat a younger family member "No one can hate sonic but _us_ " Very odd

[@castform7]

That's actually a very good description. Sonic's like an annoying little brother. Sometimes you wish you could be rid of him but you go to bat for him if something goes down. Sonic fans have a very strange kind of love for Sonic. I would know, I am one of them.

[@krypto9071]

As a sonic fan this is so true

[@tally.klecko]

I'm not a sonic fan, but I truly love Sonic Adventure 2. I won't back down, I am not going to try to quantify why it's good. I just love it man. Vibes, artstyle, expressiveness, level design, idk I think it's all great. Even the jank that game has to offer is charming to me now, it's so goofy. I get why people think it's bad, but I also feel bad for those who didn't play this game as a kid - true magic. I even made a Soundcloud called "Chao Island" lmao. It's kinda lame when ppl on the internet try to quantify why games are good or bad - its the exact same as the annoying reddit folks arguing over good/bad music and art. Who cares? People always like and dislike things for subconscious reasons and try to define and defend why after the fact, when ultimately we just like what we like for reasons we prob don't understand fully.

[@Tankotater]

8:28 Yeah sorry I can't take my eyes off the text above Coney saying VORE WARNING

[@TimelostFlare]

I've been a Sonic fan since I was a little kid, and growing up I played both Adventure 1 and Adventure 2. I absolutely loved them and I still do. Sonic, through the ups and downs, will still be my favorite game series.

[@SophinoX]

i got inspired to go for 100% after alpharad did it and i can summarise it as "Yea sa2 is really fun! also the light speed dash is often placed over pits and there is a 50% chance that it just wont work so you Will lose for no reason but this game is good i like it- also i hate half of the stages- i love this game ❤"

[@marktheheartbeats1396]

I moved out of Maryland a few months ago, and just thinking about being in ocean city while twitter is blowing up is just such a funny image to me

[@carltondaley8890]

Coney made people mad... with a take? Insane?!

[@Tailikku]

Checking my bias at the door, I like Sonic stuff. Generally pretty positive on most aspects of the franchise, tend to like Sonic games more than Mario for the way I play them (I love time trials lmao) I want to really stress the idea that Sonic fans have been an internet punching bag for over ten years. I know you've seen the Chaomix video, so it's not like this is all new information, but having high publicity reviews from IGN and G4 suggesting something along the lines of "You're going to want to kill yourself" for engaging with any Sonic game is devastating for fans who just like a thing. Not because the review affects the fans, but the review certainly affects a wider audience far more than the fans could. Whether or not you agree with the game's quality doesn't matter at that point, a whole lot of people now passively accept "Sonic is pretty dogshit" and move on because they were neutral and didn't care in the first place. And it's not like anyone's gonna check them on it, because that would require someone to engage with The Game That Makes You Want To Kill Yourself. Keep in mind that in some spots (like IGN,) the supreme unholy stinker that is Sonic 06 was rated slightly higher than the game that followed it, Sonic Unleashed. Who would engage with a series that puts out back to back stinkers like that? If you look through your twitch vod, or even some of the comments under this video, the idea that Sonic fans are delusional is reoccurring. The idea that there's something wrong with them for liking Sonic. That they've been Stockholm syndrome'd into liking Sonic. That they should just like better things. None of these engage with the reason people like Sonic all, it's all mean-spirited remarks for the sake of punching a person's opinion down. There's no regard for the notion that maybe some people just like the gameplay, or the characters inside it, or the style, or the music, and there's no attempt to understand it. That's been the case for over a decade. I think that Sonic fans have been worn down so immensely because of this treatment, and your "Sonic fans are delusional, there was never a psyop, and I think most people don't actually like Sonic" tweets struck an exposed nerve. Granted, it's not like no one's ever struck that nerve before, and you might think that someone hits that nerve every three months. But you definitely hit it with a hammer in spectacular fashion. One sentiment I saw in these comments is that the idea behind Sonic is not just about speed, but is also about personal freedom, being genuine enough to be true to yourself, and like what you like even if it's campy or edgy or cringe. I think that's pretty spot on, for the most part. I think that a big reason why people like Sonic because it usually comes across as so genuine, and appreciation that they really just fucking GO for it when they write games like Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, or even 06 (unholy stinker that it is) and Unleashed, and now Frontiers to an extent. Gameplay opinions aside, people love the characters inside the game too. I think that you don't interact with games in that way very often, and that's totally fine, but I think it's worth acknowledging in regards to how people can come to love a series.

[@jonfro-mez]

Lol. Your acting like sonic (a video game) is some important part of your identity as opposed to just being a thing you like. It's weird. People can make as much fun of it as they want, it's a game. It's not like it's some part of you like sexuality or race. Play the games if you like them, people shitting on them should have no bearing on your life. You'll live, even if someone makes fun of your favourite fictional hedgehog.

[@joplin4434]

@@jonfro-mez it's clear that the most hardship they have gone through is people not liking their favorite mid game. And it's good! It's good when people don't have to go through a lot, but it is annoying for all of us that have

[@Tailikku]

You're right, and I agree, it shouldn't have any bearing on your life if someone doesn't like the thing you like. But I'm also saying that people who endure a lot opposition from loud people about that thing they like are likely to get more and more frustrated and snap when they've had enough. It's just my read on the How and Why this situation came about.

[@joplin4434]

@@Tailikku again, it is not opposition when people call a game bad. You are not the games you play! You don't have opps waiting to jump you because you play sonic,, it's going to be ok.

[@Tailikku]

@@joplin4434 I feel like we're talking past each other. 'You are not the games you play' is a great thought, and I agree! But my point is that these insults aren't just about the game. The insults go beyond the games being talked about, insulting and belittling the people who like the game as opposed to just saying that the game is trash

[@Swing_Bonnie]

this video is so funny to me, because I have a young nephew who loves Sonic wears Sonic merch when he comes over, had a Sonic Birthday party, and knows a good amount of characters, but I genuinely don't think this kid has ever played a Sonic game in his life since he only has a tablet as his house and I don't ever remember seeing any form of a Sonic game on it.

[@zeldafan6124]

Oh Coney, always sneaking around. What machinations will you get up to this time

[@thephantomkeith2656]

I was in middle school when Sonic Adventure came out, and Coney is right. The perception at the time was there was a noticeable drop in quality of Sonic, to the point that it was no longer popular. I don't think new gens really understand how popular Sonic was in the mid 90s before his semi-failed transition to 3D games. I think Coney is coming from the culture of actually growing up with the Sonic 1, 2, 3, and Lock-on-Tech Knuckles. Sonic Adventure might have been novel IF you even had a Dreamcast, but the magic was gone and it was generally considered really bad and riddled with bugs. You couldn't help compare it with Mario 64 which was older and insanely polished for what it was.

[@CONEYZZ]

all we can do is say "you had to be there" but like FOR REAL you did

[@Amethyst4041]

16:49 The reason the game was running very fast was because you had the configuration on very high resolution and that messes up some internal stuff with the game.

[@LoganTGaming]

Yeah, I've had a similar issue playing Sonic Adventure 2 one time. It was something to do with the refresh rate, and I had to lower it.

[@borttheattorney6012]

Holy hell sega did not give a single fuck when they put this game on steam

[@deadstroyer952]

NO WAY THE HOLD YOUR HORSES BIT GOT CUT

[@LARAUJO_0]

0:46 "It's too long and I don't wanna watch it" he says about a one minute clip in a 22 minute highlight video of a presumably hour+ long stream

[@Lysvsyl]

Wow, saying Sonic is bad, how brave!

[@SigmaShawn]

Now I want a Sonic level named "Sky Harbor"

[@WaterKirby1994]

We need someone to fuse Metal Harbor with Sky Rail & have it take place in the sky.

[@Robospy1]

Yeah SA2's speed is based on your framerate, so if you don't cap it to 60 it goes super fast. It's super easy to fix manually but it's stupid that SEGA never updated the port to just be capped at 60. I guess when the port came out they just assumed that everyone was using a 60 HZ monitor so they didn't bother to cap the frame rate.

[@dave9515]

Dumb assumption on many levels. PC players love their framerates and Graphics cards to death. I understand the love for framerates though. After getting a PS5 and owning a PC and having access to a pc feature albeit limited on console still i have a hard time wanting to play games on my switch nowadays.

[@Robospy1]

@@dave9515 Oh yeah, I agree, but the port came out a while ago, and running at 60 hz was much more common at the time. They just haven't updated the port. Not that I think it was a good idea to let the game run uncapped by default if they knew it only works right at 60, but y'know.

[@ekubo954]

God I was dreading this video 😭😭 as a sonic AND coney fan its like watching my parents fight LMAO

[@Khyreezy]

Coney: "Fight for what you love" Sonic fans: *fight for their furry friend* Coney: "How fucking dare you" Never change Coney, never change

[@atv-117]

We have the opportunity to do the funniest thing and make this Coney's highest viewed movie

[@kyallon1213]

Sonic as a game: bad Sonic as a brand: good Idk how they managed to do that but they did and it works so good on them

[@siphillis]

Make great products out of the gate and live off the nostalgia forever

[@herrice3227]

Excellent summation lol

[@SonicTheCutehog]

So... Pokémon

[@pipipsy]

because sonic has so much potential besides being a game series. He has an appealing design, and a wide cast of recognizable characters. Add movies, shows, comics and more under your belt, and you have a franchise that can survive some of gaming's worst pitfalls and even earn itself a bit of a renaissance rn in the 2020s.

[@kyallon1213]

@@SonicTheCutehog yes but I think Pokémon had a very clear direction to succeed outside of the games, whereas sonic didn’t? Sonic to me is the video game equivalent to TMNT

[@smugkip6635]

I don’t think the sonic fanbase has or will ever recover from losing players choice to genshin impact back in 2022

[@TheSultan1470]

Gayshin Impact (into butt)

[@xemnasxiii3992]

Ngl I get the intention but like many have pointed out when it calmed down a bit, Sonic games have always been subjected to harsher criticism than it ever deserved be it from supposed professionals and popular reviewers who's opinion got inflated way too much than it had any right too, the fact that "Sonic had a rocky transition to 3D" is a meme among the community because they know dman well every review of a Sonic game from a gaming journalist starts with a sentence among those lines, at this point using the Sonic fandom to go and act like their games are and have always been bad is pretty redundant and no one in there is gonna try and read your intentions and they'll just go for the offense like just pick any other fanbase to do that shit, why not Mario or pokemon games or even Zelda, they'll have more backbone and you wouldn't be here to tell anything but "this fandom is chill" It's always sonic fans that got to stay chill but never the outsiders who can do better.

[@keeshuunedited5678]

As a fellow "old person" of 35. I actually always liked sonic. The only hatred was me going "Sonic is popular? That means he's lame!" and "Sonic the Hedgehog is just like any other good guy main character form any series". The more time goes on, the more I love the series and all it's characters to the point where it's getting to one of my favorites. I had a massive shock when I dared even think about making Sonic my main in Smash a couple months ago. Obviously in the wrong timeline :3 Outside of that I never hated the Sonic games I played. Just the original game after I played 2 & 3 (no spin dash!?, where's my speed?). Also Sonic Heroes because I was expecting the length of each mission to be like the previous games, not 10+ minutes. Though overtime I kinda like them too. That said, there's definitely BS in the 3D games, but I kind of like the BS because it gives an impression you can laugh about later. Like 19:45 is an example of it being kind of BS. I love seeing everyone's reaction to those propellers. It's like that perfect balance of "oh this make sense" and the homing attack doing BS sometimes going off to the side (and to your death). I grew up with BS in video games, sooo Sonic was nothing new in that regard, just he usually had more hilarious BS, and stuff that caused tame gamer rage in people (as opposed to keyboard slamming rage of certain competitive games) It's funny hearing people say that SA 1 & 2 were bad in retrospect, because I never heard a single person say that when they were new. People were loving the games too much. Hating sonic was kind of my thing at the time, but it did look and play better than a lot of other games at the time from the games I owned, and played at friend's houses. That said, I've missed a toon of sonic games. I basically left off with Sonic Heroes/Shadow the hedgehog being my last sonic games. I'm one of those people that actually like the shadow game. Has a lot of ideas I like, but quality of execution varies. Like I get that you're supposed to feel lost in the ARK levels which fits the story thematically if I rememebr right, but when you pick up a game thinking you're going to go fast, it kinda didn't hit right for most people. Again, I love various BS in games, and I didn't care. Also I love the slipperyness in that game. So many times I've gone "Whooooaa!" almost going off the stage, then homing attack or something back on stage. Of course, my favorite gameplay styles in Sonic Adventure 1 was Sonic and E-102...... Sooooo I got addicted to blowing up everything at ludicrous speeds =) Recently people have been poking me to play Sonic games. Saying that Sonic Frontiers is different than all the other games that have come out for a long time. So time will tell. Hope you had fun listening to my ramble for the week =p I swear I don't care much about Sonic. Just a little tired from work, and Sonic is such nostalgia bait :3

[@ItsAZues]

I jokingly think Coney doesnt like Sonic as just "eww, furry."

[@H__34]

As someone who was really into Sonic and mostly grew out of it: there are several aspects to like about it (the music, some of the games are undisputably good/great, the cartoons can be funny), and sometimes the fans outdo SEGA's output in terms of quality, specially Spark the Electric Jester 2 and Sonic: After The Sequel. That being said, the way some fans try to defend it rubs me the wrong way.

[@scoovy9170]

I recently played a bunch of Sonic games: - Sonic Adventure is good, but dated. - Sonic Adventure 2 is a tad bit better. - Sonic 06...I actually liked it lmao - Shadow the Hedgehog has ass level design but a decent story and fantastic OST - The Genesis Games are all great. I like Sonic. I know some of the games aren't that great, but I still like the Blue Blurr and his games. Edit: Just completed Black Knight...the gameplay ruins that entire game.

[@pugman9672]

Ok you liked 06 but would you say it was good?

[@scoovy9170]

@@pugman9672 of course it isn‘t good. I like that game for the fun sections, the OST, the contradictory story is funnyy it may be bad but it‘s fun AF.

[@PokeMario-pk4ot]

Sonic 06 is the perfect bad game. It's a terrible game, but man is it fun to play

[@AsianRailgun]

Mods and fan improvements are the way to play some of the games. Like Project 06 for example

[@cdupdetat]

​@@PokeMario-pk4ot Sonic 06 is one of the only Sonic games I own a physical copy of, I got it as a gift from my dad when I was a child lol. I've been meaning to replay it cause I don't remember how bad it was. I did beat it so I'm guessing it was at least playable. i feel like i'm the only one who prefers SA1... i like that the levels allow for more exploration and replayability like the genesis games did. SA2 is still very good, and I like its story better.

[@pokeaust7800]

When I was a kid I liked a couple sonic games but as time goes on I feel like I never see the games capture his speed in a way that feels good to control. Either you need to be a God at the game to go fast consistently or the game just does it without you needing to press a single button(insert Forces meme). I was trying to think of what actually could make a fast-moving platformer feel good, then I played Pizza Tower and realized that’s exactly what I was looking for.

[@Prism0246]

I love not having twitter, it’s like a bliss from all fandoms,

[@theclown4742]

I feel like if you just specifically focus on the games its easy to look at Sonic and wonder "Why does this series succeed and have so many fans despite failing so many times" and I really think it just comes down to Sonic being more than just the games. Sonic is kind of a multimedia juggernaut with multiple cartoons, movies, being in a lot of crossovers and having one of the most prolific comic series of all time, and if you hang around the sonic community long enough it seems like people mostly just talk about stuff that have nothing to do with the games. So it was kinda surprising to see this drama unfold around the actual games for once that wasn't centered around a recent release.

[@benmcgiggles7655]

Sonic Adventure 2 is one of my favorite games of all time (I'll admit largely due to nostalgia) but seriously, if I got that mad every time someone shit talked the game, I would have lost my mind years ago. The game is such a dead horse, I really don't see the point in getting upset over it in 2024. Just play what you like and dont let other opinions ruin your enjoyment. This is why im forever grateful I never got Twitter.

[@mooglechao]

I love SA2, huge part of my childhood and one of my favorite games of all time. I tired playing it again somewhat recently and I don’t think it has aged well.

[@Crazy56U]

I have paused the video one second in, and my prediction is that Coney is going to double down on his terrible opinions.

[@yummynubs3646]

Don't let him fool you chat, Coney's actually the biggest Sonic fan imaginable. Why else would he post this video on the eve of Sonic's Super Birthday Weekend

[@col8649]

Nah bro, Coney is spitting, i always felt like people liked the character of Sonic, but when it comes down to the games; it is just a weird unbalance and overall inconsistant line of titles that dont make justice to the character of Sonic. And this all started when 3d games got popular and Sega tried to force Sonic to fit in.

[@reggielacey2235]

No we like the games dumbass

[@giovannieich7487]

Okay, but when are we seeing the WheelChamp on best platform fighter mod characters?

[@hyperventalated]

Im not sure why, but Coney could say my favorite game is absolutely dogshit horrible and everyone who likes it is brain damaged, and I would think "Ohohoho classic Coney! You are simply delightful."

[@kirbylover37]

Because youre a normal person that doesn't care what other people think?

[@aggapuffin]

My favorite game is Xenoblade 2, and I just have to hold that whenever Coney insults the game.

[@Jamm7]

11:50 Oh my god, did I really just get put on a Coney video, hey love your content man, keep it up. (Edit) also, I missed you getting an E on Final Rush, so I should have said 16 E, not 15. I also wish for you not to get flamed for my mistake.

[@dantheman_cunningham]

I recently saw some dude get grilled for prefering The Origami King over Thousand Year Door. Mind you I don't care for any of the Paper Mario games since Sticker Star and don't agree with his opinion, but how does him prefering a game I don't care for or played impact me and my enjoyment of TTYD? I don't think all fan communities are bad, and some can genuinely be overall pretty chill and friendly despite a lot of disagreements. But most fan communities can take this stuff way, WAY to seriously.

[@toopienator]

As a Sonic fan and one of the biggest SA2 defenders, this one Tweet spurred days worth of discussion about these games and I appreciate you for that. Also they were funny as hell, so you can get the "Sonic hater" pass.

[@jayde4872]

Imma come out and say I genuinely have fond memories of Sonic 06.

[@elliev1sion]

you can have fond memories of a game and still not like the game 👍

[@mariodingaling]

i pray one day you'll recover from your stockholm syndrome 🙏 /j

[@zeric223]

I like Sonic as a character bc I liked his 2D games, Sonic Riders is one of the Best Arcade Racing Spin off Games imo, and a lot of Sonic's image is baked into his personality. I haven't been a huge nintendo head, but I do not think about Mario having any personality, just good games

[@EthelonYT]

Is it really that hard to mentally seperate the sonic brand and the sonic games? Yeah he has movies/TV shows ect, that's because his design is near flawless, not because his games are good

[@CONEYZZ]

whats what I was thinking but didn't actually say lol, thats on me

[@ODISeth]

I'm sorry I can't get over the fact that the guy at 8:24 has "vore warning, currently hungry" in his bio like damn dude it's wild seeing coney collide with that fucking world

[@oshkeet]

I think people just forgot the difference between Janky Stuff ('wow thats annoying') and Dealbreakers ('this made my physically stop playing'. "X game was Janky as hell" doesn't preclude not ultimately enjoying it, especially if you lived in the era of extremely variable jank between games and consoles. We arguably, then and now, just have different levels of tolerance for it. Basically tons of people who like Sonic games are fully aware how janky they can be.

[@Junker101.]

At 16:58 coney sounds like Zuko pleading to be struck down by lightning

[@Junker101.]

Or like he is reaching out to some ancient primordial god

[@treedude4246]

Ever since i realised coney is a master rage baiter my appreciation of him has risen greatly. Ever since the food tier list im like "oh this guy is a clown. A very very funny clown"

[@slendercube6848]

Idk what it is about this video but staring at Coney's nose and it looks weirder and weirder as time progresses

[@danielleighton4161]

I really hate the way people use the term "bad take" or "good take". Like they essentially just mean opinions but with a layer of "objectivity". Like, I'll see people say that X youtuber is bad because he has "bad takes" but in reality its just X youtuber liking a game they dont like or disliking a game they like. It sucks too cause i used to see people use the term "bad take" to refer to whenever someone said something awful/racist or whatever but its been watered down so much.

[@TheSultan1470]

LOL "awful/racist" that's just saying something factual or smart

[@Baconator2558]

This is the same way I feel about the terms "bad taste" and "good taste."

[@arvidbergman]

editor cut out the "Hold your horses, wise guy" joke :(

[@3eve0n]

projared didn't even say SA2 is bad. He said it's a mixed bag, comparing it to the cereal, Lucky Charms, and more or less saying he'll always like the marshmallows.

[@ilikeeverything.5900]

As a Sonic fan, I'm not embarrassed of being a fan of the franchise, I'm embarassed of being part of the fanbase 💀

[@matthewbartlett3442]

Exactly how I feel about Undertale. Like can we just enjoy stuff without being weird about it?

[@RednekGamurz]

The people who get mad about other people's takes on things just haven't learned about the power of not giving a shit yet. I know, cause I used to be that kid that gave a shit when people didn't like things I liked, or vice versa. Like, in the case of Sonic, the main problem with the 2010s was that SEGA was listening more to people who don't like Sonic over the fans of the series, which lead to the series feeling bland for a while (with the exception of Mania). It's one thing when people don't like what you like, but it's another thing when those opinions actually start to have a negative effect on the thing you like. Regardless, that era is done and over with, so there's no reason to keep bringing it up. SEGA's listening to the fans now, and we've been getting some cool shit as of late because of that. I wish more game series listened primarily to their fans as opposed to people who won't even buy the games anyways tbh.

[@karma6761]

16:59 The amount of despair in Coney’s voice here

[@RealNinjanate]

As someone who enjoys the art of video games as media I want to be happy for sonic and its fans that it’s so popular and still relevant but they make it so hard, like do you guys know how many fandoms would kill to be in the position sonic is in? At the end of the day the franchise is still alive and flourishing so we don’t need to care about opinions. If a game is projected as really really bad by someone it’s more likely to be played then some random niche game with no presence. I wish we wouldn’t defend unless someone is slandering another person because of a game they play. You are not the game, it can handle the criticism, trust me.

[@Lilyswillow]

this is so funny to me as someone who knows how often your own tweets can and will just completely leave everyone who follows you.