Conlang Critic: Sindarin (featuring Artifexian)

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jan Misali

jan Misali

Күн бұрын

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the thirtieth episode of Conlang Critic, and the final episode of Conlang Critic in 2019. this time, I'm reviewing the extremely highly requested Sindarin, one of the two main Elvish languages in The Lord of the Rings. featuring a special guest...?
Ardalambion: folk.uib.no/hnohf/index.html
Hiswelókë’s Sindarin dictionary: www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/sinda...
Irish consonant mutations: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_i...
Welsh consonant mutations: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloqu...
next video: 😳what if we kissed😳in 2019😳

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@HBMmaster
@HBMmaster 4 жыл бұрын
thanks, Edgar!
@yeremiafrans9425
@yeremiafrans9425 4 жыл бұрын
ok
@yerdasellsavon9232
@yerdasellsavon9232 4 жыл бұрын
Lenition occurs in Scottish gealic
@zionj104
@zionj104 4 жыл бұрын
Conlang Critic, do you use PowerPoint to make your videos?
@HBMmaster
@HBMmaster 4 жыл бұрын
google slides
@xwtek3505
@xwtek3505 4 жыл бұрын
How do you handle COPPA? You might be demonetized or fined if you don't mark your content correctly.
@cmckee42
@cmckee42 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see an April fool's video reviewing English as if it were a con lang.
@pentelegomenon1175
@pentelegomenon1175 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaziro But how about for real though?
@TheNaturalnuke
@TheNaturalnuke 3 жыл бұрын
@@pentelegomenon1175 kzbin.info/www/bejne/moLaZapvjMyLmbM
@papermanu9010
@papermanu9010 3 жыл бұрын
And the script is written in Esperanto
@papermanu9010
@papermanu9010 3 жыл бұрын
@@ingwerschorle_ I really hope thats what the video will sound like
@sullivanbell2397
@sullivanbell2397 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Salsmachev
@Salsmachev 4 жыл бұрын
It's hilarious how literally the entire conlang sphere of youtube knows eachother. Also I kind of hate you for briefly making me think you got Nativlang in on this.
@btCharlie_
@btCharlie_ 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, there's like 30k people throughout the whole world who are _really_ interested in conlanging, so.... yeah 😂
@allisond.46
@allisond.46 4 жыл бұрын
It seems to be that way with the "chronic illness vlog" section as well. A vlogger in Minnesota with X illness knows one on the East Coast with Y illness and vice versa. I think it even crosses international borders.
@NoxaClimaxX
@NoxaClimaxX 4 жыл бұрын
Have we had David Peterson on yet?
@couchbug
@couchbug 2 жыл бұрын
@@allisond.46 same with service dog handlers online!! people in small groups end up sticking together :) it's neat i like it.
@zackbuildit88
@zackbuildit88 2 жыл бұрын
@@couchbug same for all cellular automata studiers. Im able to get in touch with just about anyone simply because we’re all friends of friends
@pippastrelle
@pippastrelle 4 жыл бұрын
As a Welshie, hearing Artifexian speak Welsh in an Irish accent was interesting.
@montysvest
@montysvest 4 жыл бұрын
Ngl I laughed a tad at "treiglad medal" 😂
@archeofutura_4606
@archeofutura_4606 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Welsh had a uvular R
@xmvziron
@xmvziron 4 жыл бұрын
@@archeofutura_4606 It doesn't. Edgar can't pronounce a rolled r, unfortunately.
@archeofutura_4606
@archeofutura_4606 4 жыл бұрын
XMV Ziron i thought that was strange when I heard it.... lol imagine not being able to roll one’s Rs 😆
@xmvziron
@xmvziron 4 жыл бұрын
@@archeofutura_4606 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWSaaXmifbBnrJI
@IgnitedxSoul
@IgnitedxSoul 4 жыл бұрын
I just love the "the book" is written as "i barf" when romanized.
@kornsuwin
@kornsuwin 3 жыл бұрын
CastMeAway I barf
@connorconnor1631
@connorconnor1631 2 жыл бұрын
books🤮
@cdshop1301
@cdshop1301 4 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how Tolkien was, and continues to be, way ahead of the game as far as conlanging and worldbuilding goes. He was doing everything worldbuilders today try to do. The Hobbits even had a lunisolar calendar based off of the Germanic calendar, long before Xidnaf or anyone else had some rant on calendar systems in worldbuilding. Tolkien also remains ahead of the game in his naming, and how his aesthetics play on English sound-associations, and linguistic history (as opposed to the more utilitarian romanisations many conlanger use). Take this excerpt about the river Baranduin: The name Baranduin was Sindarin for "golden-brown river", from baran and duin.[3] The Hobbits of the Shire originally gave it the punning name Branda-nîn, meaning "border water" in original Hobbitish Westron. This was later punned again as Bralda-hîm meaning "heady ale" (referring to the colour of its water), which Tolkien renders into English as Brandywine.[4] The word Brandywine both resembles the original Elvish name Baranduin, and provides the Hobbitish meaning adequately. The word brandywine was actually the archaic English word for brandy as imported from the Dutch brandewijn. David Salo noted that it represents a possible Old English *baernedwin, meaning "burned wine", which would resemble quite closely the original Elvish Baranduin,[5] making Hobbitish Brandywine a legitimate corruption of S. Baranduin.
@TheWilyx
@TheWilyx 4 жыл бұрын
He truly was a gifted person! I'm yet to read a world that convinces me of it's reality as much as Eä does!
@natan9065
@natan9065 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's a combination of his academic background, fantastical imagination, and a great deal of work (dedicating a large portion of his life) that goes in to making it all so special!
@yerdasellsavon9232
@yerdasellsavon9232 4 жыл бұрын
Hobbit calendar please tell my re
@phoenixfoster-smith8585
@phoenixfoster-smith8585 4 жыл бұрын
I've not heard xidnaf in 2 and a half years yikes
@andrewwesleyhudson5983
@andrewwesleyhudson5983 4 жыл бұрын
The actual order of his creative process: 1. I'm gonna call this river Brandywine because hobbits are all british-y and cute. 2. Oh but now I'm writing a serious epic with elvish names for everything. What if the aforementioned Brandywine was the 'Baranduin' all along! 3. Uhh but the hobbits don't have the english words brandy and wine because english is from our world. Shit, better invent a chain of Hobbitish Westron puns to get us to something that roughly translates to the english. It's clever, but clongers are literally inventing the vocab as they go so it's not difficult to come up with this stuff per se.
@theplanetmercury7487
@theplanetmercury7487 4 жыл бұрын
"Every fantasy nerds desire to catalogue things" Very true. Very, very true.
@zerir.3726
@zerir.3726 4 жыл бұрын
shoutout to josh nativlang referencing xidnaf in one of his videos all the linguistics channels are interconnected
@sumwon6973
@sumwon6973 4 жыл бұрын
Zeri G. It was roasting him tho lol
@zerir.3726
@zerir.3726 4 жыл бұрын
fair
@hhht7672
@hhht7672 4 жыл бұрын
when did this happennnn
@mi8628
@mi8628 4 жыл бұрын
@@hhht7672 I would guess it is about his video titled "The Hardest Language to Spell"
@hhht7672
@hhht7672 4 жыл бұрын
/mi/ oooo
@edwardfanboy
@edwardfanboy 4 жыл бұрын
Now that you mention it, the phrase "cellar door" does have a nice ring to it, especially in non-rhotic varieties of English. "If we set sail now we'll be in Selador by morning!"
@williamwebb580
@williamwebb580 4 жыл бұрын
id523a One does not simply walk into Selador...
@hetsmiecht1029
@hetsmiecht1029 3 жыл бұрын
I think we need more door.
@cuitaro
@cuitaro Жыл бұрын
@@williamwebb580 It's gates are guarded by more than locks and the Great Wine is ever watchful
@kriterer
@kriterer Жыл бұрын
I used to think this way too, so I should get it, but for whatever reason I don't really understand why people find the rhotic r to be ugly (or at least uglier)
@themobiusfunction
@themobiusfunction 2 жыл бұрын
10:55 I like how the Welsh word for "cats" is "cathod".
@melol69
@melol69 Жыл бұрын
cat ray tube display
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Күн бұрын
@@melol69 crt (cat ray tube)
@y.og.i
@y.og.i 4 жыл бұрын
"Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover event in history." jan Misali: hold my beer
@misoweli
@misoweli 4 жыл бұрын
hold my vötgil
@isaacbates5898
@isaacbates5898 4 жыл бұрын
jo e mi telo nasa (my toki pona isn't that good, sorry)
@misoweli
@misoweli 4 жыл бұрын
Isaac Bates 'o jo e telo nasa mi' i think
@abyssalboy8811
@abyssalboy8811 4 жыл бұрын
hold my rjienrlwey
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Күн бұрын
@@abyssalboy8811 imagine losing youre 人類 to milk puddign
@yeremiafrans9425
@yeremiafrans9425 4 жыл бұрын
What😳if😳we😳cellar😳door😳in😳2019?😳
@Alice-gr1kb
@Alice-gr1kb 4 жыл бұрын
yeremia frans [ˈsɐlˤ.ɻ̩ʷˈɖoːɻʷ]
@conlangknow8787
@conlangknow8787 4 жыл бұрын
Hot😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
@Adam-yu1dv
@Adam-yu1dv 4 жыл бұрын
2020?
@ryanc1045
@ryanc1045 4 жыл бұрын
Damn
@adambell3217
@adambell3217 4 жыл бұрын
😳
@KarmasAB123
@KarmasAB123 3 жыл бұрын
"Sindarin is one of the two languages people mean when they say 'Elvish.'" Like when people say "Chinese."
@violetinreal8188
@violetinreal8188 4 ай бұрын
Interestingly, there is actually some debate as to whether or not Chinese functions as a language family or as a series of dialects. Many Chinese people see what linguists call the Sinitic Branch of the Sino-Tibetan language family (including Mandarin, Cantonese, Gan, Hui, Jin, Hokkien, Min, and Wu) as dialects of Chinese, similar to the difference between Australian English, Cork English, and Bostonian English. However, the Sinitic languages tend to have little mutual intelligibility. While the aforementioned English speakers may have a hard time understanding each other, they could probably converse somewhat well: this is usually not true of someone from Shanghai who speaks Wu and someone from Jiangsu who speaks Mandarin. This is further complicated by the fact that all of these languages have their own dialects, reducing conversational ability even more. Additionally, Chinese language family speakers typically use a standardized form of written communication, called Standard Chinese, which is similar to how Standard Arabic functions in the Arabic-speaking world, where thousands of local dialects exist. Because of this, Chinese is sometimes referred to as a family of closely related spoken languages, but only a select few written languages (for written Cantonese, written Shanghainese Wu, and written Hokkien are also commonly used). To add in political conflict, several areas of the globe that speak Cantonese are Hong Kong and Macau, who both claim independence from mainland China and whom the Chinese government does not officially recognize as independent. A person from Hong Kong may justly feel sore about their language being referred to as "Chinese". The same is true of Hokkien, primarily spoken in Taiwan. All in all, it's a complicated issue, but one that interests me a lot :)
@KarmasAB123
@KarmasAB123 4 ай бұрын
@@violetinreal8188 Cool, I didn't know that :O
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango 4 жыл бұрын
Two vastly different graphics styles from the two makers, both are effective in conveying meaning and looking nice
@HBMmaster
@HBMmaster 4 жыл бұрын
imitating edgar's style was really fun
@windsaw151
@windsaw151 4 жыл бұрын
Though people may at first disagree, the irish system of adding letters instead of replacing them offers a HUGE advantage to learners: If you read a word, you immediately know where to look it up in the dictionary!
@francoisrd
@francoisrd 4 жыл бұрын
11:23 Book, books I barf The books How’s my poem?
@kornsuwin
@kornsuwin 3 жыл бұрын
Francois Roewer-Despres I barf
@i_teleported_bread7404
@i_teleported_bread7404 3 жыл бұрын
Nice haiku.
@Karin-fj3eu
@Karin-fj3eu 2 жыл бұрын
Mm nice
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 6 ай бұрын
What is so funny about barf?
@ishathakor
@ishathakor 4 жыл бұрын
as a tolkien nerd im like bursting with pride even though i havent done anything apart from just rereading all of jirts work as much as i possibly can
@gabrielbauer5595
@gabrielbauer5595 4 жыл бұрын
*Premiere in 15 hours* I will wait every minute.
@devonoknabo2582
@devonoknabo2582 4 жыл бұрын
Facts
@devonoknabo2582
@devonoknabo2582 4 жыл бұрын
It says 15 hours ago lol
@smergthedargon8974
@smergthedargon8974 4 жыл бұрын
4:53 My boi Arftifexian really pronouncin' that Welsh "dd" wrong. *_smh my head_*
@eyemotif
@eyemotif 4 жыл бұрын
Smerg the Dargon its interesting cause he usually pronounces english TH as T/D so i thought that was the case, but then he pronounces other instances of th right
@superscatboy
@superscatboy 4 жыл бұрын
Shaking my head my head too.
@lostathenian1836
@lostathenian1836 4 жыл бұрын
I'm shaking my head my head as well. He really should've known.
@smergthedargon8974
@smergthedargon8974 Жыл бұрын
@@Ashley24306 Well, at least it's not pronouncing them as f.
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 6 ай бұрын
He is Irish. The Irish cannot say th.
@SmallSinger5901
@SmallSinger5901 Жыл бұрын
I did not know that Fëanor made the writing system, when you said he’s name I almost spat out my drink like ‘*who now?*’
@nothingtosay21
@nothingtosay21 4 жыл бұрын
I really would've paid to see a collab between Artifexian, NativLang and Conlang Critic. I mean come on it's the three language sages.
@slamwall9057
@slamwall9057 4 жыл бұрын
Langfocus and Biblaridion: am I a joke to you?
@jslice6137
@jslice6137 4 жыл бұрын
xidnaf:
@jaygryska317
@jaygryska317 4 жыл бұрын
Slam Wall I’d FLIP if langfocus got included
@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901
@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 4 жыл бұрын
@@jslice6137 not really a language channel anymore :/
@isaacbates5898
@isaacbates5898 4 жыл бұрын
@@jaygryska317 Easily one of my favorite language youtubers! Whenever one of them posts a new video, it makes my day.
@recurse
@recurse 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. I was really excited to see you get to this language! I don't think I agree with you that vocabulary is the least interesting aspect of evaluating a conlang, though. I find it interesting to see if the creator exhibited awareness of how the semantic space of words and usage differ between languages. I can see how that could be dull for a lot of people, but for the kind of people who like reading etymologies of words in natural languages and enjoy seeing how languages differ in this regard, that's a fun aspect of conlanging, too.
@nlotsobabies996
@nlotsobabies996 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you tease us like this?
@mi8628
@mi8628 4 жыл бұрын
"My next video is the most effort I've ever put into anything in my entire KZbin career. I'd hate for you to miss it." Time to start making predictions and theories about what it could be!
@sophiehogg8083
@sophiehogg8083 4 жыл бұрын
It was Poliespo wasn't it 😭
@mskiptr
@mskiptr 3 жыл бұрын
It was "😳what if we kissed😳in 2019😳"
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 6 ай бұрын
It is the 2019 end of year meme video
@HD-dq9kr
@HD-dq9kr 4 жыл бұрын
As an Icelander, your pronunciation of r̥ really hurt my small linguistic heart :( 1:38
@sylvandagur2092
@sylvandagur2092 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that killed me 😁
@PX2000games
@PX2000games 4 жыл бұрын
Hákon D yeah, some brazilian portugueae dialects have that phoneme, and this pronunciation is far from voiceless, is just a affricate, but it isnt easy also, so it's ok.
@Win090949
@Win090949 3 жыл бұрын
It had to be hr right? or no?
@TheZenytram
@TheZenytram 3 жыл бұрын
@@PX2000games como assim?
@i_teleported_bread7404
@i_teleported_bread7404 3 жыл бұрын
You think that's bad? As a Welshman, his pronunciation of "Meddal" completely killed me!
@arnehefer5749
@arnehefer5749 3 жыл бұрын
"abjads and abugidas" me: has vietnam war flashbacks to my first attempt at making a conlang when I was 12....
@goldenhorde6944
@goldenhorde6944 4 жыл бұрын
Can you please make an episode on Ämärangnä, also known as Adytite, from the SCP Foundation? It's a natlang that, in universe, broke off from Proto-Uralic as Old Adytite, which was the official language of the Kalmaktama Empire (Lit. "Deathless") and currently serves as a secret religious language for the Sarkic Cults. The SCP wiki has a full article on it so it should be pretty easy to make. Love your channel!
@AdelWolf
@AdelWolf 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Edgar! Delightful episode and I can't wait to see your Quenya breakdown.
@uwuthuismydaddy5192
@uwuthuismydaddy5192 4 жыл бұрын
Love the collaboration, but let's not forget our fallen linguistic hero that, in a perfect world, would be Jan Misali's best friend: Xidnaf.
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 6 ай бұрын
Does jan misali even have friends? I think he is a robot
@abyssalboy8811
@abyssalboy8811 4 жыл бұрын
Easily one of your best episodes. I still love how you blend your and Edgar's visual styles together like on the number collab video(s)
@popretmaster
@popretmaster 3 жыл бұрын
translating the grain as a unit into mg made my day. Thanks Misali.
@hcblue
@hcblue 4 жыл бұрын
So this video is canonical proof that Conlang Critic, NativLang, and Artifexian all exist in the same constructed universe?!?!
@killianobrien2007
@killianobrien2007 9 ай бұрын
If you watch Artifexian, you can add Xidnaf and Biblaridion
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Күн бұрын
@@killianobrien2007 ðe conglang cinematic universe
@killianobrien2007
@killianobrien2007 21 сағат бұрын
@@jan_Eten I wonder if ŋə has ever crossed over
@Pakanahymni
@Pakanahymni 3 жыл бұрын
I remember playing LOTRO back in the day and I noticed that the monsters had these cool plural names like "craban" became "crebain" in the plural and so on.
@retnikt1666
@retnikt1666 4 жыл бұрын
On April fool's day you should do an episode on German as if you don't know it's a real language and criticising it for copying English and Latin and having too complicated word order
@megt7128
@megt7128 4 жыл бұрын
Or on English... I mean, this whole language is basically a bunch of words stolen from other, *real* languages and just sort of mashed together haphazardly
@ODKBE
@ODKBE 2 жыл бұрын
I mean - English hailed from a more archaic form of German, so technically English is the one copying German, not the other way around
@pyrotechnic96
@pyrotechnic96 2 жыл бұрын
@@ODKBE Technically German and English descended from a common ancestor so no one copied anyone
@eyemotif
@eyemotif 4 жыл бұрын
that was awesome! thank you sm for the premier 🧡
@williammidgley3905
@williammidgley3905 4 жыл бұрын
"f"s are pronounced as "v" in welsh 9:40
@abugidaiguess
@abugidaiguess 3 жыл бұрын
mhm
@andyhunjan
@andyhunjan 3 жыл бұрын
oh my god so many amazing cameos i'm tearing up a little from excitement
@andyhunjan
@andyhunjan 3 жыл бұрын
he isn't here? you have betrayed me.
@pepsdeps
@pepsdeps 4 жыл бұрын
When you talked about reading the sindarin dictionary and feeling like there are missing words remind me of the old nahuatl dictionary my great grandpa inherited to me, where many a words are spelled wrong and some words feel like they're missing. It's like a foreign person wrote a dictionary about it, and I feel like that makes sindarin at least a bit more interesting
@sunwukong6897
@sunwukong6897 4 жыл бұрын
Maenas Herdir! Masterpiece! Looking forward to your next video, jan Misali!
@CameramanCat
@CameramanCat 4 жыл бұрын
Episode 30!!! It'll be 6PM in my country, when it airs. Finally! It says "the last episode in 2019''. So no Conlang Critic in December!
@rubbedibubb5017
@rubbedibubb5017 4 жыл бұрын
This will likely be my favourite episode ute, Iabsolutely LOVE lord of the rings and I especially like how there is so much background that isn’t shown in the books!
@cannot-handle-handles
@cannot-handle-handles Жыл бұрын
Tengwar are beautiful, but I also like what Mark Rosenfelder wrote in The Language Construction Kit: “[k]eep the letters looking distinct. The best alphabets spread out over the conceptual graphic space, so that letters can’t be confused for one another. Tolkien [Tengwar] is a bad example here: the elves must have been tormented by dyslexia.”
@theapexsurvivor9538
@theapexsurvivor9538 4 жыл бұрын
12:12 did you just convert an idiom into metric?
@elenna_alexia
@elenna_alexia 4 жыл бұрын
Already excited for the video on Quenya
@DarkFunk1337
@DarkFunk1337 4 жыл бұрын
I need to study for my exams :( please stop tempting me with these delicious videos (DON'T STOP)
@hiriaith
@hiriaith 2 жыл бұрын
/v/ is written F in Welsh, and /f/ is written FF, unless the /f/ is a result of aspirate mutation of P which is then written PH!
@-.firey.-
@-.firey.- 11 ай бұрын
17:17 i didn't even realize this part literally says "the thing 'here's tree' is from" i only realized that after watching the 2014 christmas specials last night
@itisALWAYSR.A.
@itisALWAYSR.A. 4 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable- thanks for great videos this year :)
@jbw416
@jbw416 3 жыл бұрын
Holding down on this video's thumbnail to see the preview o'r Ddraig Goch was a pleasant surprise.
@RastafarianPilgrim
@RastafarianPilgrim 4 жыл бұрын
Your front rounded vowel is fine, it's just a little dark, like you're pushing your tongue against the roof of your mouth or straining the back of your throat :) Great vid! Always fun!
@robdoghd
@robdoghd 4 жыл бұрын
despite u guys having such different styles, i'd say u merged them very pleasantly
@that1niceguy246
@that1niceguy246 Жыл бұрын
6:42 To me it sounds like a *slightly* more open and slightly further back ü, which represents that sound in my native german, so yeah, you're doing a good job with that.
@dafyddroff8084
@dafyddroff8084 3 жыл бұрын
The romanisation of /f/ as when mutated from /p/ is from welsh. Take yr pysgod ‘the fish’ vs sglodion a physgod ‘fish and chips’ But ffrainc ‘France’
@name-qs6cl
@name-qs6cl 4 жыл бұрын
>saw this premiere like 12 hours ago >was hyped >decided not to click bc it was too soon, thinking others would do the same >90 likes and 45 comments >O H
@yulian3578
@yulian3578 4 жыл бұрын
amazing video!! one thing though, and i could be wrong, but what i remember from studying sindarin is that the plural is actually build rather consistently - it was called i-affection, as far as i remember, and works by bringing the vowels "closer" to 'i', following rules that aren't even that difficult and differentiate between final and non-final syllable vowels (hence, why in 'edhel' only the last e changes to i; or how in 'orod' > 'eryd' the final o comes "closer" to i than the first) that then also would be why/how verb forms change their vowels (like tôl > teli)
@FugaxContrapunctus
@FugaxContrapunctus 4 жыл бұрын
Great! Also using the 1st age name for Sindarin, Eglathrin, from the very beginning.
@Ipman-zw4yc
@Ipman-zw4yc 4 жыл бұрын
Oh cmon, i wanna see some tengwar
@wohdinhel
@wohdinhel 4 жыл бұрын
you should definitely check out Hymmnos, from the Ar Tonelico series. It’s got a lot of flaws, but some REALLY unique concepts, especially in its grammar (it’s primarily meant as a “magic” language, or a purely ritualistic language used to cast magic by “interfacing” with a giant AI that controls the universe*, but it can also be used in speech, albeit probably not very easy to do so) *okay this is a hyper simplification of the lore, but honestly it would take hours to explain it all, thankfully not a lot of the content of the language itself hinges on knowing the lore beyond what’s available in the wiki.
@ossi_2429
@ossi_2429 4 жыл бұрын
4:47 ...is that Edgar doing a trill? Impossible.
@scptime1188
@scptime1188 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever reviewed a logography/pictographic languages? Would really be interested in a logographic language review.
@BeaPlot
@BeaPlot 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know that much about conlangs but have been binging your videos. I don't know if there's enough to give a full analysis, since there may only be a writing system for it, but I'd love to see you take a look at the Universal Meta-constant from the comic K6BD.
@arthurchrzanowski5785
@arthurchrzanowski5785 4 жыл бұрын
What I was waiting for
@hinata166
@hinata166 4 жыл бұрын
Ah Ardalambion, the website that got me interested in conlangs and languages in general.
@crimsonhawk52
@crimsonhawk52 4 жыл бұрын
Congrats to Edgar on pronouncing the voiceless dental fricative so well when demonstrating Welsh
@tavdy79
@tavdy79 4 жыл бұрын
In Welsh, the digraph "dd" (in "meddal") is the voiced dental non-sibilant fricative, ð, the same sound as the "th" in English words like thou, they and this (but not three, thorough and think). The voiced alveolar stop "d" which you used is represented by the letter "d". In the Welsh alphabet "dd" is a letter in its own right, as are ch, ff, ng, ll, ph, rh and th.
@shaevor5680
@shaevor5680 3 жыл бұрын
The Tengwar (elvish script) at 0:06 don't seem to spell but rather something like (?). Can somebody clarify what that means? Is it an alternative name for the language?
@evie5375
@evie5375 2 жыл бұрын
i love it when he has so many good things to say about a conlang
@geolrik
@geolrik 4 жыл бұрын
i love this series! was wondering if you'd ever take a look at the ancient language from eragon/the inheritance cycle? apparently it's also based on celtic languages and i thought it was really cool when i read the series 👀
@melvinshaw7574
@melvinshaw7574 4 жыл бұрын
Old Norse in part, plus whatever words Christopher Paolini thought sounded cool. It's not a great language, but it is important to me personally on account of being the language that made me decide to research and begin constructing my own languages.
@sophiejones7727
@sophiejones7727 4 жыл бұрын
Not much in the way of Celtic influence actually. The chief influence is Germanic, probably from Old English.
@that_orange_hat
@that_orange_hat 3 жыл бұрын
i've heard from one of my friends that the ancient language is just a relex (new words on english grammar) but that could be wrong
@thewanderingmistnull2451
@thewanderingmistnull2451 3 жыл бұрын
@@that_orange_hat Yeah, it mostly is from what I remember. I think the Dwarvish was more original. At the very least, it sounded less English-y to me.
@soton4010
@soton4010 4 жыл бұрын
word final spelling variation i assume is because tolken decided to remove word final vowels and kept the spelling minus the vowel.
@Mr.Nichan
@Mr.Nichan 4 жыл бұрын
In terms of the languages that most often get given these labels, the difference between abjads and abugidas is that abugidas like Devanagari, Ge'ez, and Cree (if you count that) are always specific about the vowel (barring historical spelling issues), whereas abjads frequently just don't bother to mark vowels at all. (Althogh Arabic and Hebrew do write long vowels with full letters, unlike early phoenician, the diacritics for writing all vowels are generally only used learners materials and religeous texts.)
@yotsuyuyagiyama2443
@yotsuyuyagiyama2443 4 жыл бұрын
This seriously looks like a real language. Props, Tolkien.
@benvarner4011
@benvarner4011 4 жыл бұрын
I looked in my KZbin feed to see “Uploaded 1 second ago”
@seraaron
@seraaron 4 жыл бұрын
@9:40 The /v/ is latinized to /f/ because in Welsh /f/ makes a ⟨v⟩ sound. (And the ⟨f⟩ sound is represented with a double /ff/).
@Sovairu
@Sovairu 4 жыл бұрын
Switch your brackets around, though. The slashes are used for broad transcriptions into the IPA, and the angle brackets are used for orthographical representations. Thus, the sound /f/ is represented by the spelling ⟨ff⟩ in Welsh.
@cytho1302
@cytho1302 4 жыл бұрын
I’m so excited 😆
@ChiliB0tArt
@ChiliB0tArt 4 жыл бұрын
guys i have no idea whats going on but this is like oddly interesting and now im digging the rabbit hole
@anson7776
@anson7776 4 жыл бұрын
Woah conlang critic releases an actual episode of conlang critic
@sunwukong6897
@sunwukong6897 4 жыл бұрын
Will you ever do High Valyrian from Game of Thrones (also by DJP, who made Dothraki)?
@Criticalmass96
@Criticalmass96 3 жыл бұрын
I'm astounded by how well you are able to pronounce any sound you come across in IPA. How well can you pronounce Arabic? I'm curious.
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 6 ай бұрын
Except /y/
@Motofanable
@Motofanable 4 жыл бұрын
13:00 is called devoicing i think, is pretty common in slavic languages
@DaudAlzayer
@DaudAlzayer 4 жыл бұрын
How can you talk about the doors of Durin without mentioning the tengwar mode of Berliand?
@tuures.5167
@tuures.5167 2 жыл бұрын
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Tengwar text in the thumbnail spell "egladrin" when following the Sindarin reading (i.e. vowel tehta is placed above following consonant)?
@WadelDee
@WadelDee 3 жыл бұрын
Are the Tengwar used by both Sindarin and Quenya?
@marcelineraber
@marcelineraber 4 жыл бұрын
Here to discuss is Josh from Native lang. Hello! Thanks for being on the show!... He's not actually here. I mean, could you imagine? Not sure if I'm more sad that Josh wasn't here or proud that Jan low-key implied that Josh is a legend by joking about him coming to his show. 'Cause Josh is a legend. "Could you imagine?"
@multinet9037
@multinet9037 4 жыл бұрын
The distinguishing factor of an abjad isn't that they don't have an inherent vowel but that marking the vowels is entirely optional, if a way to mark them exists at all. Tengwar isn't an abjad but an alphasyllabary, which under some definitions is just a type of abugida.
@mrmimeisfunny
@mrmimeisfunny 3 жыл бұрын
When are you going to review Oa?
@horizon241
@horizon241 4 жыл бұрын
Just a couple things I want to point out: First, a good descriptive approach to Sindarin and a decent compilation of words and roots can be found in David Salo's 'A Gateway to Sindarin' (books.google.com/books/about/A_Gateway_to_Sindarin.html?id=4dsSn0QAmi0C&source=kp_book_description). Second, most spoken Sindarin lines in the LotR movies were necessarily in a fan-made version of Sindarin, called Neo-Sindarin, that filled in many of the conversational gaps and missing words (more can be read about that here: tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Neo-Elvish and even published in a book here: books.google.com/books?id=FXInDwAAQBAJ&source=gbs_similarbooks). Thanks for the great video, looking forward to future conlang reviews!
@__a_4444
@__a_4444 4 жыл бұрын
Ayyy he uploaded
@taxtengo7427
@taxtengo7427 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, in the diacritic is written on the preceeding consonant in some other elvish languages such as Quenya. I do it that way in Finnish as well when I'm using tengwar.
@Sovairu
@Sovairu 4 жыл бұрын
When writing in Quenya, the vowel tehtar were placed above the consonant tengwar which they followed, because Quenya syllables and words were typically open. When writing in Sindarin, the vowel tehtar were placed above the consonant tengwar which they preceded, because Sindarin syllables and words were typically closed. However, in other modes, such as the mode of Beleriand, the tengwar were mostly alphabetic.
@vince14genius
@vince14genius 4 жыл бұрын
Mandarin is one of my two native languages and I think your [y] is pretty good
@Biospark88
@Biospark88 4 жыл бұрын
He’s definitely improved his [y] since Folkspraak. Still kind of sounds...Swedish?
@WhizzKid2012
@WhizzKid2012 6 ай бұрын
You mean since aui. Aui was the first language with /y/
@Apple-vm5gc
@Apple-vm5gc Жыл бұрын
8:12 In devnagari the second line is read as 'muh' like in 'murder' not 'ma' as in 'mars'
@David-jw1xs
@David-jw1xs 3 жыл бұрын
8:37 I was excited to hear the only other linguist KZbinr I know on this channel, but I guess not
@pentelegomenon1175
@pentelegomenon1175 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, Middle Earth does have a conlanger in it. It's none other than Sauron himself, creator of the Black Speech.
@jcxkzhgco3050
@jcxkzhgco3050 2 жыл бұрын
8:05 imo the difference between abugidas and abjads are the necessity of vowel marking, it's part of abugidas, while in abjads it's optional.. abugidas don't necessarily need to contain an inherent vowel..
@JoqoAlfredo
@JoqoAlfredo 4 жыл бұрын
I thought you would talk about the mandarin criole from Singapore, Sindarin
@llunathelynx
@llunathelynx 4 жыл бұрын
one day i was extremely bored and did what every bored person would do in their free time and tried to learn sindarin. had a notebook for it and everything. now that ive completely forgot about it, im happy that you reminded me of how incompetent i am. gonna watch the video and probably go back to trying to learn sindarin... i hope.
@inkyscrolls5193
@inkyscrolls5193 4 жыл бұрын
Did any other Welsh speakers die a little inside at 4:50 onwards?
@zulthyr1852
@zulthyr1852 4 жыл бұрын
Cellar doors are beautiful (Welsh) "Valiant" sound very great (Russian and stuff, Slavs have a lot of these sounds that I like)
@ynntari2775
@ynntari2775 4 жыл бұрын
I use a 13-based number system to my fictional elves. It fits nicely in the other aspects of the language like the number of tones, and an odd-based number system represents very well their chaotic nature. in an even-based number system, the final digit dictates the even-or-odd-ness of the number in a simple ordered way, numbers ending in 2 are always even and numbers ending in 3 are always odd, but in an odd-based number system, the even-or-odd-ness shifts from "trezen" to "trezen", so 2 is even, 12 is odd, 22 is even, 32 is odd, etc.
@f4tornado450
@f4tornado450 4 жыл бұрын
9:39, f represents a v sound in welsh
@CuriousNeon
@CuriousNeon 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that next video is about custom remix, a big one tho... 🤔
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