Conquer the Space Biome in Oxygen Not Included

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Addenda: 1) Space setups are REALLY creative and have diverse sets of characteristics so I would never say one is the "best" but this is my favorite at the moment.

[@moldycarrot9267]

Feels like I've said it before but.. really the best ONI content on the tube. Keep it up man!

[@j0ltid]

I just built one segment of this in a survival game. It's working fairly well for the most part, *but*, during periods of high activity it seems like the petroleum cooling loop can't quite keep up with the heat and eventually steel items (robo miners and sweepers) at the far end of the cooling loop don't cool fast enough and start taking damage. I didn't have much dirt so I made most of my tempshift plates out of igneous rock which is the next highest SHC, not sure if that matters enough to make the difference though. I also put blocks over the top most robo miners because your setup clears from the bottom up, which means the transformer at the top is the last to get uncovered. I have it powering the doors and a few times it didn't get uncovered in time to shut the doors before the next meteor shower

[@Pherenetic]

Found your videos yesterday and they are amazing! Thank you very much. Just started to play ONI again and I don't know anything so they are really helpful :).

[@MascotCoding]

So good to have you back!

[@Rokkiteer]

Very cool. I'm just about to breach the surface, so this is gonna help. I think I'm gonna replace the conveyor loaders with ore droppers though, to move the debris out quicker.

[@michaelsdenney]

Nice setup! Can you show how a rocket shop would be integrated in this design?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

That's a good idea. I'll put it in my list.

[@matthewghilarducci5033]

@@tonyadvanced6315 Please.... I've experimented with a ton of different space designs and found some I like, but I always have trouble integrating rockets. At first glance, yours appears the same...

[@mattiaswinther2643]

I would also love to see how you would integrate rockets in a good way in this design!

[@nZifnab]

My giant space wall debris catcher is almost complete XD This thing takes forever to make in an actual game. However, I think what I plan to do is cut a giant hole out of this regolith catcher, and drop it *below* my rockets. Then put some automated doors below the rockets. When meteors are coming, close the top bunker doors as normal, when it completes, use automation to open the bunker doors and a small time later open the automated doors below the rockets, allowing the regolith to fall through the rockets; then those automated doors will close after the regolith had time to fall through and allow rockets to continue launching or w/e it is they do. I already experimented with a similar automated door design on a much smaller scale when I was getting my telescope to research the planets. I've never actually made rockets in a game yet, but I *suspect* this should work fine. On the far left and right sides of the hole where the rockets fit, I'll make sure to leave a gap between the rockets and the edge of the hole so that the petroleum can continue dripping (or maybe the hole is one section of "down up" of the regolith catcher, so that you don't need to drip petroleum from the top of the biome to the bottom, just put the valves below the rockets under the automated doors where they normally would be.

[@0x0404]

I run petroleum cooling through the bunker doors. Often it cools down the regolith on top down below the breaking temp of a steel miner. Though not always. I've built them out of thermium now so it no longer matters.

[@GeorgeGomes_m]

I appreciate your effort and will to share this setup! Thank you!

[@YellowGoddess]

That is a pretty neat setup :)

[@friendly_alkali]

I am super interested in the reservoir nonsense you ran into, I didn't realize it was possible for them to output less than full packets of liquid even when full. I dunno why, but one of my favorite things about ONI (and subsequently, your videos about ONI) are all the nitty gritty implementation details of pipe networks.

[@tonyadvanced6315]

I'll try to explain it as I understand it, but it's hard in a youtube comment. A reservoir doesn't top-off packets that are sitting underneath the output's green-arrow, if there is a partial packet there then the reservoir doesn't output anything, even if it happens to be the correct element. So, if a full packet comes out of the reservoir, but in the next second the pipe is partially blocked and 95% of the packet is allowed to move forward, then the 5% of the packet that is left doesn't get refilled, it just blocks the reservoir. In the second after that if the pipe is no longer blocked then the 5%-full packet moves forward through the pipe, resulting in a mostly empty packet moving through the pipe. If your loop has to be connected to a liquid input then the packet gets topped-off and your loop gets more full. Repeat that enough times and the loop gets filled and reaches deadlock.

[@nZifnab]

@@tonyadvanced6315 Oh I guess that's similar to how valve vs shutoff works, where valve will combine packets, but shutoff won't allow any content to pass through even if there's only a tiny packet of liquid on the other side. Strange how some outputs act differently than others.

[@vladamirbegemot3506]

Cool setup. One question, the petroleum is on the bottom tile, your temp shift plates are one above that, but it sounds like those are your heat sinks. Since you are in space, why is the heat transferring when they aren't touching?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Tempshift plates are special and have a range of one tile. They can reach the petroleum.

[@vladamirbegemot3506]

@@tonyadvanced6315 Ah, fantastic, thank you!

[@Blyndem]

Thank you very much for including the actual bit by bit building portion of this setup. Why were your scanners not happy, or did I miss you explaining it? As was already mentioned, I'd love to see a short addendum showing how you'd incorporate rockets into this. Would a row of temp-shift plates in the steam room be good for evening out the heat or would they cause problems?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

When I checked later, I discovered I built one scanner a bit too close to a conveyor loader. I'll put a rocket setup on my list of things to demo. Tempshift plates would even out the steam temperature, but I can't think if any reason to bother, except aesthetics.

[@Blyndem]

@@tonyadvanced6315 I think I counted 13 tiles from the base tile of the left scanner to the conveyor above it. Just to be clear, the 14 tile gap has to be between the base of the scanner and the item that interferes? So scanner base, 14 'empty' tiles then the next thing?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

@@Blyndem I'm pretty sure scanners have to be 15 tiles away from interference. That's the same as having 14 tiles between them.

[@linthoss]

You operate on a whole 'nother level sir!...

[@TheMindverse]

Hi Tony, your videos have been extremely helpful - I just finished your wonderful Iron Volcano Tamer. I noticed in your save game that this build goes all the way across. For rockets, would you just "cut" one end off or something like that? Thanks!

[@paulsirduke8081]

I remember I tried this design. 1) the falling regolith could be up to 6 tiles 2) when it falls the liquid in this spot is spread around and you can get a non-liquid gap afterwards

[@josephburchanowski4636]

If you put your bunker shield higher, doesn't that reduce how many tiles of regolith can fall?

[@paulsirduke8081]

@@josephburchanowski4636 it does

[@IlnickiStudios]

I think if theres just too much regolith from the shower all robo miners will be blocked. You need at least one for the chain reaction to occur. Also, if youre building this contraption for too long, regolith can build up on the bunker doors as well and you'd need to manually unclog the system as well. Edit: nevermind, I ws too quick to respond. You just explained it

[@tonyadvanced6315]

I see your edit but that really is a valid concern that I didn't mention. Meteor showers produce about three continuous conveyor rails full of regolith. This design has 1 rail for each quarter of the sky so the capacity should be enough to catch up if it gets behind for some reason. Edit: Oh jeez. I misunderstood your question. Whoops.

[@IlnickiStudios]

@@tonyadvanced6315 Guess we all rush to answering without too much thought haha :D

[@GeorgeGomes_m]

After watching carefully the video I have a question to ask about the size of the "space wall". For efficiency purposes, why you don't just create a single Tempshift Plate (it also work as a drywall) made of diamond (for a fast temperature drop) in tiles where you have machines instead of using this huge amount? (Of course, excluded the dripping columns that need to have this size).

[@tonyadvanced6315]

My thinking is that there has to be enough heat capacity to buffer the heat so the petroleum pipe has time to take it away. I don't think it matters how many tempshift plates you use or what they are made out of as long as you have enough heat capacity to do that. I didn't try it out, but I don't think carefully placed diamond plates will do the job. If they do, then I went WAAAY overkill on the heat capacity.

[@indecisiverift]

@@tonyadvanced6315 is anything really overkill when you used dirt instead of diamond? ;)

[@Vraimorte]

Great video. Thanks for the tips.

[@gentlycz]

neat but I prefer harvesting the regolith for power, way less hassle with cooling I feel as well

[@listof3662]

wont your liquid valve and vent be above the liquid?

[@MrOssyan]

I found it way easier to cool down the top bunker doors and whit that the regolith and cool the machinery with -50c regolith istead of liqiuds or gases. 1 turbine 2 aquatuner and a "bit" of ethanol and the only hot things from space will be your rockets and the small chunks of metals that cant cool down fast since they are not tiles.

[@MrOssyan]

@@matthewbauerle7153 no need for thermium, the debris that falls down will touch the machines and cool them down, only the 2 drills on the sides may need some cooling love who dig out the rest of the build but you can just route the conveyor rail through them or leak semi cold co2 on them. It needs a lot of steel , but once you built it and let it cool down you wont have any problem with heat from space , well ....maybe 10-20 hydrogen rockets if launched to frequently could overheat it , but since space is gutted to ground , that wont be the problem.

[@tonyadvanced6315]

I tried that, but I couldn't prevent the auto-sweepers from overheating because they have a lot of work to do and aren't cooled again until the next load of regolith. Is there something I missed? I'm also not keen on using powered cooling.... But if it works that well I should look into it again.

[@MrOssyan]

@@tonyadvanced6315 If i cool down evrything, the upper bunker doors, the regolith on it, the side bunker tiles and the 1 row regolith outside, they store a lot of cold so i dont need to run the aquatuners a lot they are just there for the starter cooling to be faster , and when the rockets roll out in mass. I dont use radiant pipes , most of it is maffic , exept where the rockets are there i use obsidian and isolated obsidian so they dont melt and the isolated tile so less direct rocket heat gets into the pipe. I overlap the sweepers a bit / usually 2 sweeper for 1 miner/ and use multiple rails to clear up faster and to get less heat on individual sweepers/never saw them over 200C so there is still a 125C left /, the energy usage spikes harder but takes way less time to keep it clean.

[@tonyadvanced6315]

@@MrOssyan Ah. Lots of sweepers/loaders to spread the work/heat around. That's the clever part that I didn't think of. I have other things to work on at the moment, but that's definitely good enough for another video.

[@MrOssyan]

@@matthewbauerle7153 the whole point of my system is that im tired as f that one of my dupes always finds a way to bring a 300/200/100 celsius piece of regolith and finds a way to drop it into a liquid lock or melt some plastic equipment , so i invented a way to cool down evrything from space whitout space materials as much as i can /thus ethanol and very low freezing point/ , and wanted to be it a system that dosent needs babysitting or maintence . Yeah if i would break the system into smaller peaces and used better materials to preserve and transfer heat better , you could make this system energy positive too but that was never a goal of mine , and since its huge , i dont know how much space materials you need for that.

[@forrestallison1879]

This is cool but I can't even figure out how to get my first dupes into space, at all. Like...what would your very first breach into the biome look like? I have a liquid lock and I'm using transport tubes

[@peter-klausnikolaus4823]

What do you think of a regolith muncher made of doors?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Last time I tried that the doors destroyed most of the regolith. If you just want to clear the regolith and it doesn't feel exploity to you then it looks like a pretty good move. But I want the regolith, so I need something to sweep it up for me.

[@equitime77]

Ive copied your setup as it looks great. My scanners are reporting 0% quality n coverage. I dont think anything is within their range to stop them scanning? Im not very good at space stuff

[@equitime77]

fixed it

[@DanTormenT]

Nice, i like ur videos.... u can make one how to u make a ranch from shive holes with thats regoliths? Ty

[@tonyadvanced6315]

I surely can. I'm a big fan of shove voles. I have some new ideas for shove vole ranches that I may start trying out soon.

[@nZifnab]

I haven't bothered to make anything that gives me a supply of petroleum yet... Would crude oil work instead? What about ethanol? I have plenty of both of those...

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Petroleum is the only thing that fits the bill, sadly. Ethanol will boil away. Oil will block the light, so you won't be able to use solar panels. If you aren't doing solar panels anyway then there are simpler ways to go about it all.

[@bobterminator9975]

cool design intresting indeed but i think the design i use is more eff and simpler and take less resources than yours i would like to share mine with you.

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Awesome. I want to see it! You could link me to a screenshot or save file or something and I"ll check it out.

[@bobterminator9975]

@@tonyadvanced6315 then ill send you my savefile feel free to check out my base and give me your opinion its still build in progress base not everything is finished

[@tonyadvanced6315]

@@bobterminator9975 I had a look at it. It is very clean, no mess. I've always been hesitant to use the single-drop of liquid method for cooling stuff in space because I'm concerned that something will move that drop and it seems like a lot of manual work to replace it. But perhaps dupes can't exhale on it while in atmo suits... so... I can't think of a way that it would ever move. Do you have any trouble with that?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

@@bobterminator9975 BTW, I like the jet-suits-only rocket silo. I can't believe I didn't think of that. :) Now someday when I make a rocket video I'll have to make sure I give you credit for the idea.

[@bobterminator9975]

@@tonyadvanced6315 hope you had a look at my volcano build

[@brehmluke]

Does this still work? I did the whole setup but the petroleum going down the stairs blocks my scanner unless I reduce it to a crazy low flow of like 10-100. Anyone else had this problem?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

I haven't tried it out in a while. I'll have a look at it right now.

[@tonyadvanced6315]

It's working correctly. You need very little petroleum for it to work. In the video I used 20 grams per second (for each downhill slope). I'm not sure if 10 grams would be sufficient, but if your scanners still work with as much as 100 grams then that should certainly work. You don't need to add very much petroleum because it mostly just sits undisturbed on the platform anyway. You only need enough to make sure it gets slowly replaced if regolith moves some or some of it gets lost to space.

[@brehmluke]

Awesome! Thanks very much for clarifying

[@brehmluke]

Could you maybe make a video about how to deal with long distances if there is one? Now that I'm getting to space the construction time is super long as my dupes go up and down to get supplies, they also seem to spam going in and out of my atmo suit zones. I have a feeling it might be my priorities causing them to go in and out non stop but either way I'd love to see a video on either long distances or going in and out of atmo zones

[@nZifnab]

@@brehmluke In your priorities screen there's a checkbox option (Might be under a gear menu? I forget) to have dupes "consider proximity" when deciding which job to work. This helps a lot on large expansive bases. With that said, even w/ plastic ladders and atmo tube networks going all over, this build still takes a *long* time to build out. Maybe I need to make a smaller base w/ beds/toilets/food for my builder dupes that is a lot closer to the space biome? But I'm too lazy for that ;p

[@TheGalifrey]

Love it!

[@scapeist5019]

Why not use a mini pump instead?

[@starwall8755]

mini pumps would overheat faster than a steel pump, you dont want plastic equipment up there

[@scapeist5019]

@@starwall8755 thanks

[@ludwigo1580]

Nice👍

[@vulkandrache1928]

Its a cool setup without space material and whatnot. But i dont understand why i would build something like this. With the time it takes to get this running i can get several rockets into space and back and start converting my tungsten into thermium. Meanwhile some ghetto setup with a handfull of bunker doors and 2 scanners will take care of the protection. And i also dont get the hype for solar panels. Their output doenst justify their size and the fancy footwork that needs to go into keeping them clear. Compared to just a simple magma-petrolium boiler with nearly 10 kW sustained output (+ bonus water and CO2) they are disappointing. If they were half the width and their base was transparent then maybe.

[@lienrag65]

So smart, thank to you

[@Hidinginyourcupboard]

Gentlemen?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Point taken. Thank you.

[@mariano_molina]

Well, just spent a good couple of hours building this in survival and it just doesn't work with Steel. It just always overheats a couple of things and eventually it starts falling apart. Do not recommend =(

[@equitime77]

Did you have you got the petroleum cooling loop with liquid, the dirt tempshift plates?

[@mariano_molina]

equitime77 yep! It started happening a bit less when I increased the volume of pipes that were interacting with the steam chamber, but until I got enough supercoolant stuff still kept breaking

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

may god bless you Tony lol

[@89Freekick]

sadly , and im sorry to say it, its garbage, expensive and need lot of energy and effort, the old door setting was the best, and still is