Consciousness, Intelligence, and Relevance Realization | The Vervaeke Series | Episode 1 (WiM043)

[@Lucasvoz]

Hellyesss, two men who I have listened to separately for over 50 hours each. Best crossover ever.

[@JamesStevensTEXALTA]

Isn't it great? Everyone's got some combinations that bring things together; the Logos. I've got 50 hours in Vervaeke but just discovered Breedlove about a month ago.

[@Lucasvoz]

@@JamesStevensTEXALTA awesome! I find that Jordan Peterson is a great one to add alongside these two.

[@spencern22]

This is what the internet was made for. Amazing stuff Robert and John, can’t wait for the rest of the series!

[@haskellcameron]

It never ceases to amaze me how worked up Canadians will get while speaking on their field of study

[@chaseb1919]

Im currently on episode 6 of Awakening from the Meaning Crisis and it's great. The topic is dense but verrrry interesting!

[@otech47]

Holy fucking shit 1 hour of sheer cerebral stimulation well done

[@kriswalter560]

Awesome!!!! Awakening from the Meaning Crisis was a game changer for me. So excited for this series.

[@merrick8000]

What is Money show gives me JRE vibes but next level and transformative. Edit: This guy is awesome

[@jefferywilliams6761]

I don't know who needs to hear this but stop saving all your money. Invest some of it if you want financial freedom.

[@jefferywilliams6761]

Invest in Bitcoin, gold, silver, buy stock, forex market. Anything! Just invest and save yourself.

[@amandagerrett2047]

Good talk! I tell that to my friends everyday. Saving is good investing is much better, I used to think saving money would save me but NO, saving is just keeping it to spend later.

[@alexanderlorenzo853]

What if you don't know how to trade on any of these?

[@CryptoLarkDavis]

@@alexanderlorenzo853 I mean, I see your point. Some people have the money and are willing to invest but the problem is where to?

[@vincentchan2716]

@@alexanderlorenzo853 This is 2021 People who aren't even traders makes money from the stock, crypto and forex markets.

[@janthonycologero9206]

Excellent!! I've been following this work for a few years and only just found this series. The first episode was so good!! Thanks both of you!

[@barrettl2473]

I loved this, thanks to both of you.

[@benrohr]

Aaah! This is such a great combo. Really excited for this.

[@TimHoekstra]

Currently following vervaeke's meaning crisis series so this is a joy to listen to as an inbetweener.

[@christianbaxter_yt]

This touches on the hi-Rez vs low-Rez filter process J. Peterson discusses. I am an ICU nurse and what I have understood about medicine is understanding hi-rez physiology detail/information is less important in the moment when saving life. It needs to be absorbed into the subconscious. Rather low-Rez algorithms of response that can be easily understood, memorized, and implemented quickly and efficiently in the conscious present

[@kurtjensen5798]

Best guest yet - and that is saying ALOT.

[@Windowlesswhitevan]

Here he is boys.

[@janthonycologero9206]

Why isn't this posted on Johns page too? Get on it, John! 🤣✌🏼❤️

[@sdfghjkjhgfdfghnbvbn]

I got mind blasted three times in this one talk. The two realization meanings. The shark embodied adaptability and the chess game example really made me stop and think

[@meinking22]

Awesome conversation! Deep but insightful as well.

[@positivevibrations3790]

Consciousness is learning of its capabilities and utilizing the adquired skills, or knowledge to solve unexplored areas not yet sentient, and to expand to other areas not explored before. Or to solve more complex theories.

[@henryvanderspuy3632]

Consilience

[@jonbecherer5103]

Top level shit! Thank you

[@gomino14]

Would be great if there were a transcript available!

[@OwenGarcia]

Keep it up

[@shuks7678]

This will be mind blowing :)

[@TorupHodl]

Is Bitcoin smart's becoming both book smart and street smart? Cheers-! This cast has the Most need to pause and rewind to comprehend.

[@TrimaranSpirit]

Fuck that was awesome thanks for being my mind!

[@bujin5455]

Overall, a great conversation!

[@mcnallyaar]

Money can also be an incredibly destructive tool when mishandled. It's very powerful. I consider it to be a technology, and essentially morally neutral. But you can easily destroy communities with it.

[@benjaminroberts6875]

I'm wondering if it's possible to psychometrically evaluate this in a holistic manner- relevance realization with the ability to zoom out and zoom in, effectively converting conscious actions into unconscious actions, and the capacity to be rational. There is a sort of hypothesis that intelligence can get in the way of rationality. If this is the case, G may not always be the most sig. number when evaluating someone if there are cognitive trade-offs going on here.

[@mcnallyaar]

8:00 "Spiritual but not religious." Social media is not the only place they go. They also go to universities: Womyn's and Gender Studies, African American Studies, Anthropology, Sociology, English and even the Hard Sciences and Mathematics.

[@mcnallyaar]

Additionally, Sage Spreaders and Crystal Devotees don't seem to be searching for Wisdom, so far as I can tell. Possibly Meaning. I'm just going on my own experience talking to friends, and doing some of that stuff on my own.

[@mcnallyaar]

Mr. Breedlove seems to go to Economics and the Market.

[@erraerraeric]

Have anyone else made the connection between Vervaeke and Goertzel (SNET / AGIX)?

[@Lucasvoz]

54:04 You love to see it

[@christianbaxter_yt]

Logos: logic Rational: ratio

[@meowmeow83]

You should invite Bernardo Kastrup as well..

[@mediocrates3416]

The stockmarket is *delusional* !

[@Dickey_Moe09]

Wisdom comes with experience and your fuck ups (hopefully)! It's not something you learn from a book or at a lecture

[@kurtjensen5798]

It should be possible to pass on Wisdom. That's what religion tried to do.. but I know what you mean, it sticks better when you experience things first hand.

[@bujin5455]

12:39. His definitions of AI and AGI are terrible. An ATM is not even a little bit an example of AI. His definition of AI is so broad as to render the word useless, as you could literally fit all of computer science into his definition, and most of mechanical and electrical engineering as well. AI at this point in time is basically considered machine learning, using neural networks which emulate the function of a brain. The networks are trained against narrow fields of action, which make them "narrow AI". These networks, though they can be adapted to anything for which we can tease out a signal, are directed by their training set, which is curated by a team of AI specialists. (ATMs are not "trained" they're programmed with classical techniques.) AGI is referencing a point where AI is capable of self directed learning and autonomous capability expansion, much like a human is capable of autonomous cognitive direction. ASI (artificial super intelligence) is the point where the AI reaches past the powers of human intellect. 13:25. His definition of AGI also completely misses the point. It is completely possible to stack multiple narrow AIs together in order to create a generalized composite. We are already doing this. In that way the AI is capable of operating in a generalized way, in at least as far as he defined it, in the ability to operate across many domains. (However many "manys" you want to stack on top of it, and for which you want to layer additional narrow AIs together to address.) This, however, is not AGI. AGI is the ability of the system to autonomously move into new domains on its own. It's not a philosophical idea, it's a technical one.

[@jamescider]

So amazing to watch two intellectuals share ideas in an egoless exchange and to see John's excitement in Robert following along with his concepts. LOVED this conversation!

[@AetherXIV]

hot damn. this is incredible. love the analogies and true dialogue and exploration

[@pedrogorilla483]

Wow! That was unexpected, glad to see you both talking!

[@Zizuzot]

Amazing conversation, thanks gentlemen! I'm planning to do my master's thesis in Artificial Intelligence about some of these topics :)

[@kojan108]

Wonderful conversation, I am very grateful to the both of you. Thank you.

[@johnroff2704]

Great! I have thoroughly enjoyed this and now look forward to how you will move this conversation into the significance of money and the role of Bitcoin.

[@christianbaxter_yt]

So Steve Jobs innately understood “transjectivity” man’s physical relationship with technology

[@daydreams4rock]

talking shit doesn't balance the 2 views just by being accomadeting--- i e .. do not balance your point of view in the quest to be polite as it leads to a validation of a false consideration. The guest had no real point but talked a lot of shit and that is not equal to a real perspective.

[@aminomar4002]

all became smart suddenly! it must be revelations from the sky or COVID-19 !

[@russv.winkle8764]

Wow this was really great guys.

[@positivevibrations3790]

Consciousness seeks evolution through self realization. We all part of the unified consciousness field operating individually but part of a highly complex web of interconnected sentient intelligence. We are the avatars playing the game we call "life". In reality we have minimal free will as the consciousness drives close to all functions within this world we live in.

[@ArnoldJagt]

Meaning comes from Christ, the Incarnation of Biblical law. Wisdom is knowing how, when, and where we apply that law. That law represents the rules for relationships that, when followed, deliver blessings at every level. Money is how we measure how well we serve one another within the framework of that law.

[@Bitcoin_guide_andi]

So great to listen to this crossover! Life changing.

[@theJamieBenShaw]

Well this was bloody good wasn't it

[@mediocrates3416]

Criminals use bitcoin.

[@SoraiaGarrett]

And there are criminals ruling out country

[@mediocrates3416]

@@SoraiaGarrett Coincidence? I think not! Loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires and babies.

[@4Mikes4Mindset4]

@@mediocrates3416 you are smart.

[@Castle3179]

Stupid criminals use non-anonymous cryptocurrency instead of anonymous cash. More criminals use cash. Grow up.

[@jeffdonald1791]

this is wicked, Robert! great convo - love how the idea of distributed intelligence brings one to the power of the Bitcoin decentralized machine.