The Meaning Crisis: Resolution | Dr. John Vervaeke | EP 482

[@JordanBPeterson]

Dr. John Vervaeke’s course “Intelligence, Rationality, Wisdom, and Spirituality ” as well as my courses, are available at petersonacademy.com

[@stvbrsn]

Gotta love John’s sense of humor… the fact that he’s wearing Air Jordans is obviously not an accident!

[@davidcavallino]

Wow love this, I noticed the shoes but didn’t even think that

[@twocents7495]

Jordan’s Achilles heel?

[@Dropthebeatonit]

first thing i clocked was the freshness of the kick situation

[@Will-ge7ri]

@@Dropthebeatonitthis dude lives on the produce aisle

[@Dropthebeatonit]

@@Will-ge7ri bruh

[@juliantn]

I have just started listening but I want to say: One of my favorite pieces of media is the first public conversation you two had back on Mind Matters about 9 years ago. I saw it close to when it aired and more than anything it is for conversations like that, and likely this, that I follow you. I attended a few of your classes, watched all of your videos up until you got famous and watched all to many after that. I have been dismayed by, caught up in and sometimes entertained by the controversial and political stuff but you have always been Professor Peterson to me. Thank you both for sharing your wild philosophizing and love of humanity. If you find yourself in darker days perhaps you can warm yourself with the knowledge that you helped me to love us all and our historic journey a good deal more. I love you both, and as always, wish you all the best.

[@ammt1999]

Thanks for sharing your story! Can you share the video you are mentioning for others to check it out? ☺

[@LetsFindOut1]

this was an exceptionally engaging conversation. i didn't know Peterson was intentionally recruiting lecturers for Peterson Academy towards the explicit goal of an emergent source of the sacred in the world. Love hearing about his more grand ambitions like this because they seem hopeful to a revolutionary degree yet are always grounded in and guided by reality. Gives me something noble to imitate.

[@Unfortunateevents-z2d]

I understand the need for perfection. There is little to no room for mistakes but people absolutely love you Dr. Peterson. If you are having an off day, it's okay. You are human. Everything happens for a reason. Reasons are seasons. We have your back to support you anyway we can.

[@castirondude]

Perfection is like the speed of light - it is by definition not achievable for anything that physically exists in the real world. Every effort you make will get you closer but you will never reach it.

[@ancientfuture9690]

It’s conversations like this that make me INCREDIBLY thankful for the invention the internet and specifically...social media.

[@cathyallsup7731]

Well said.

[@stevenmatetcho3229]

From Ghana 🇬🇭 I admire theses two great thinkers a lot

[@stevenmatetcho3229]

I’m your single biggest fan and lover 😂 in Ghana, Africa and the world 🌍 ❤

[@lebenergy247]

John verbeke I absolutely love your comment at 6 Minute mark. What I hear you saying is that you had a hole filld that was there in your life and now it's no longer there. That is an amazing amazing insight! God does bless you you are blessed however you play out your Blues in the world you are an amazing man I'm so grateful that you and Jordan are friends

[@Gotchaaaaaa]

Vervaeke rocking Air Jordan Petersons?! Whaaaat!

[@justmbhman]

Yooooooo 🤣

[@thatthotho]

LMAO why is Nike sleeping on this

[@crystalsantana344]

😅 I was wondering about that.... 🧐💭 😮😅 # badass# 😌

[@stepheninderlied5091]

Vervaeke has been so impactful on me and he is just a mystic to me too and truly admirable but he went up quite a few points in my book with those high top nikes he has on.

[@stepheninderlied5091]

Throwbacks I believe

[@mfanakithi2002]

I too have found these conversations enjoyable. It’s the stuff that helps deal with the mundane existence of life at times

[@KBFalin0027]

Everyday you wear a suit. You never give up. The logos. The word. You taught me. I purchased your self authoring program. I am plan on spending money on the Peterson academy. Eff Canada. Even though I am not a big fan of the NY Times. They did say you are the brightest mind of the western world. I know that to be true. I own all your books and read them all. Lets say something simple. I love you. I love your mind. Life is an all in game. You tell the truth no matter what.Thanks for teaching me.

[@danacasey8266]

Ha ha ha ha ha ​@Hakim-it8fn

[@bensmyth5725]

I love Jordan too, and he's taught me a lot. I would recommend continuing to read as widely as you can, in whatever fields interest you--psychology, spirituality, et cetera. Jordan is an excellent educator but there is a lot more to learn. I'd check out Vervaeke's 'Awakening from the Meaning Crisis' series as a first. Much love

[@Darcyholte]

Jesus described the gospel as being like a seed falling on different kinds of soil, the soil being different conditions of the heart. So the propositional is necessary but it grows into the existential.

[@lebenergy247]

That comment at the 18 minute Mark people trying to extend their knowledge and not prove their right prove their right. That is amazing and a beautiful and profound statement

[@michalkratky5203]

Two of my favorite intellectuals, finally back together. This is the intellectual peak right here. A student of Socrates and a student of Christ in dia-logos.

[@carolynmcmickle6728]

😂

[@Mart-Bro]

It's not very accurate to call Peterson a student of Christ

[@calebsanchez4429]

Jesus, dude. "A student of Socrates and a student of Christ"? lol calm down

[@mcnallyaar]

Yawn.

[@gloriaharbin1131]

Always love the stimulating conversations with Vervake!❤

[@Golgibaby]

Your conversations with Dr. Vervake and with Jonathan Pageau are ones that seem built on mutual respect so strong that you're able to bounce off of each other with great trust. The rapport is fun indeed and engaging to watch. Hence absolutely it becomes a ground that is fertile for thought expansion and transformation. Continue to be well, Dr. Peterson!

[@trappedshadow]

Dr John seems like a badass dude. I like his authenticity.

[@jhonyandrade4970]

He is legit. His work is awesome. Try Wakening From the Meaning Crisis, is mindblowing.

[@nathanhassallpoetry]

​​@@jhonyandrade4970his podcasting is also excellent, too. In the book I'm writing there's a chapter on different forms of knowing (my focus is on poetry) but his four forms of knowing is something I'm diving deep into for when I get onto the third draft. I'll likely make a YT video about it at some point.

[@GiaNicci100]

Love this passion between you two.. Amazing start of my days..

[@JimmyJAKosman]

A deeply healing and enlightening conversation. The essence of faith speaks in most every word

[@marywellssmitharnp-c6667]

I love the new production/editing augmentation of adding images of books and other resources referenced during the interview. Please keep this up! Over multiple interviews, you’re giving millions of viewers a sort of ‘library’ worth owning and reading over time, and the visual cue of the covers helps the books stand out beyond the passing conversational reference, where the titles or authors alone often get lost.

[@MRizzio]

The fascinating aspect of all these discussions is the fact that a hack like me can follow the vibe and intrinsic meaning and end the seminar by giving ALL GLORY AND HONOR TO GOD.

[@b.melakail]

Please get D.C Shindler to discuss the primacy of beauty and how beauty is at the root of love

[@AFringedGentianToEnnien]

Oh what a DELIGHT!!! I am so glad that you and John are once again in conversation. Dearest Dr. Peterson, I was thinking of something I wanted to share with you, if I can find the words. You were talking in a recent interview about what effects your illness had on you and then in the next breath about studying atrocity and I had an intuitive leap. For many years, you put yourself in the place of the perpetrator, the inflictor of agony. And then when you got sick, you felt, in your own body, in your own nerves and sinews, the levels of pain that the victims of those atrocities must have felt. When you could not rest for hours, you were, in your own flesh, at one with the suffering man who carried the load of salt across the compound… and back. You embodied the suffering that you knew yourself capable of inflicting. And that was your memento mori, your hair shirt, your atonement… at one-ment. And perhaps the residual pain you are still experiencing is your hair shirt. And that perhaps your Soviet art served as your hair shirt before you got sick, and you don’t need it anymore. Fairly grim reflections on my part. On a more positive note, I think you were spared to us for precisely the times we are in now. As St. Paul said to the Philippians, “I thank my God upon every remembrance of you.” With Ruth Anne’s love

[@burtsbooks3495]

This is a conversation many friends and I have been having for the past eight years because of the theologian Stanley Hauerwas. I kept saying "I wish Dr. Peterson would talk to Dr. Hauerwas" and this conversation, while not exactly the same, gets at many of the same Wittgenstein-inspired ideas about propositional vs. existential truth we've been exploring. Super cool!

[@hacksawowner]

I am proud and honored to be one of the 30,000 early enrollees to Peterson Academy. I am listening to this podcast nearly in tears of gratitude as they discuss this impossible affordance that Dr. Peterson has managed to manifest. I never thought I would be able to have the opportunity to, in Peterson’s words, “be educated to the level of my intellect”. These men have blessed my life.

[@marcc16]

Love watching these two riff off each other. It’s like watching improvisational jazz without the instruments.

No. Its not.

[@yuyurolfer]

Yes. Its.

[@imspyingonyou2243]

Yes it's not.

[@calebsanchez4429]

Cheez-its.

[@memopinzon]

I will never miss a John Vervaeke interview. I've learned so much from him.

[@Muxxyy]

I came to listen to this conversation on KZbin because the episode is mislabelled on Spotify. Spotify episode 482 with Vervaeke is actually Bret Weinstein episode 483 posted twice.

[@solomondthomas]

Glad Dr. Peterson addressed the Christians that are compelling/inviting him to propositionalize his beliefs. I'm curious why it is hard for some Christians to recognize that the existential level of faith is deeper than the propositional level.

[@jourdan4am]

I agree with Dr. Peterson to some degree, but when he acts in a way that gives the impression that propositions do not matter, that is the problem Christians seem to intuit when they ask him to make his beliefs known in relation to certain Christian propositions. Also, by avoiding propositions, he avoids accountability because he doesn't have to identify with any particular form of Christianity and their understanding of what a Christian's obligations should be.

[@NathanielJ.Franco]

I'm glad you proposed your understanding in the form of proposition and thereby defeated your own argument. A proposition is an abstract, eternal, and necessary entity that is the subject of thought or assertion.

[@solomondthomas]

@NathanielJ.Franco To use the propositional is not to claim other modes of communication (via actions or existentially) are lesser than. I'm also not sure how I would communicate a KZbin comment existentially.

[@StarsOnProjectors]

​@@jourdan4amwhy do you believe it's important - seemingly, that is - to identify with a "particular form of Christianity"?

[@jourdan4am]

@@StarsOnProjectors Many forms of Christianity have agreed on a set of propositions that one must assent to, and this usually means that you are aligning with a particular form of Christianity or tradition. This form dictates your obligations, which is important because Christianity isn't something practiced in a vacuum. You can fall into many traps if you take this journey as an autodidact.

[@Abuamina001]

At the risk of sounding pretentious, strangely enough this entire interview reminded me of an old German poem: Dennoch kämpfe ich weiter, Steh entgegen der Welt. Kann ich nicht siegen als Held, Will ich doch fallen als Streiter. (Nevertheless, I fight on, Standing against the world. If I cannot win as a hero, I will still fall as a warrior.) - Hermann Hesse, “Älterwerden”, Trost der Nacht. Neue Gedichte (Berlin: S. Fischer, 1929), p.187.

[@jackpeterson8029]

Nice kicks, Dr. Vervaeke!

[@chaputmi]

I hope this is helpful to anyone reviewing these comments! Four Types of Knowledge (as defined by John Vervaeke) Procedural Knowledge: Definition: This refers to knowledge of how to perform certain tasks or procedures. It emphasizes skills and abilities rather than simply knowing factual information. Example: Knowing how to ride a bicycle or play a musical instrument. Propositional Knowledge: Definition: As mentioned, this is knowledge that can be expressed in declarative sentences. It encompasses facts and information that can be justified through reasoning or evidence. Example: Being able to state that water boils at 100 degrees Celsius under standard atmospheric pressure. Perspectival Knowledge: Definition: This type of knowledge involves understanding different viewpoints, contexts, or perspectives. It includes the ability to see things from various angles and recognize the subjective nature of experience. Example: Understanding the cultural significance of a practice or recognizing different interpretations of a piece of art. Participatory Knowledge: Definition: This type involves a deeper, embodied understanding gained through active engagement or experience in a context or community. It emphasizes relational aspects and the integration of knowledge through involvement. Example: Gaining insights about leadership through direct experience leading a team, rather than just reading about leadership theory.

[@nathanhassallpoetry]

That is hugely helpful, and I am going to use it in the book I'm writing, which has a chapter on other forms of knowing and how it relates to poetry. I'll make a video about it on my YT in the future. Thank you so much for this comment. Does John have these written anywhere? I've only heard him speak about them.

[@brandis3309]

I always like John's shoes! I've been trying to grasp what the meaning of 'Advent of the Sacred' exactly is, so I'm glad to see this!

[@danaturner7718]

Sure wish Allan Watt's was still alive... a debate or conversation between he and Jordan and John would be mind boggling!

[@kirk.w.mclaren]

It sure would. Great thinkers who care about human thriving

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

John and Jordan haven't yet seen that a consciousness can't choose what it thinks, nor what it values, nor what its will is. As soon as you see this (and it was 10 years of hear Watts say "You don't control your thoughts. You don't control your feelings" before the implications finally hit me)... you see that control is an illusion. This thing is a flowering, and we never escape the consequences, but also nothing is in control. And the ego THINKS control is a thing, and thus it can have more, and it goes crazy trying. Hence the solution (if there is one, in a situation in which control is an illusion) is faith: because nothing is up to us. I left a very long comment on this video going through the thought process in detail, and I think you'd appreciate it. I've wished Jordan would mention Watts for years. We'll see :)

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

did you see my earlier response? I think youtube is deleting my comments

[@TheBlazingEagle]

I’m good on Allan Watt’s, personally. I don’t think more orgies are what humanity needs lol

[@danaturner7718]

@@cecilcharlesofficial don't think I did..

[@1amilliman]

John is my favorite guest! He articulates the Transcendent, pointing out a clear pathway to wordless expression, thus Experience. Though sometimes he's a little 'wordy 😊

[@williampaul8556]

It seems that all of our minds have been programed by some common information that is pumped into us. It is very hard to ever think outside of our box. He never realize we are each programed. These conversations help some of us to peek outside of our box. I wish more of us enjoyed these kinds of conversations between each other. I am starving for deep critical thought. Simplistic thinking leave me hungry.

[@testpm-il7qq]

Love you two speaking together. The conversations are always so much more elevated than any others, with all due respect.

[@cathyallsup7731]

It is not that Vervaeke lost his desire for a community, it is that Vervaeke found his religious community in the Gospel conversations. I'm returning to religion because of these profound, intellectual discussions of the bible.

[@justinfournier3894]

I wish these guys were my friends

[@wiserliving4840]

I truly loved the Awakening From the Meaning Crises series and definitely gained better understanding of agape from that video and highly recommend it to everyone as well as the Elusive I series

[@LilaSilk]

Thank you gentlemen for this always explorative conversation. "Evolution is not starting from nothing" what an analogy, I wont forget it. Wishing you both all the best.

[@BelialsGenuflect]

sheeeeeeeeesh John V got dem kicks 👟👟

[@carolspencer6915]

Hello again Seeking and preserving meaning, brilliant. 💜

[@brothabuddha478]

Two of my favorite Professors together, can't go wrong with this one.

[@agecoochek-bo2qr]

I am glad peterson said it was a condition. I recall as a teen thinking a lot about meaning of life. After decades of thinking I don't contemplate this as to body or spirit. I think this may be a stage of adoscelence and that are at university or still looked after.

[@kanenas9607]

Thank you both for Peterson Academy

[@albertlevins9191]

This man is my favorite of your guests. So bright that it almost hurts the mind.

[@teach2learnedutech]

Reason + Love + Beauty … I love this conversation, it is like deconstructing nature into pockets of practicality that even makes logic of emotions and even non evidential concepts like Faith. This one is going on an endless repeat.

[@teach2learnedutech]

There is a lot to learn here.

[@colorfulbookmark]

I could learn from these two giant scientists that there are many diverse people having opinions about specific issues, though everyone can invoke this without seeing, the talks Dr.Peterson and Dr.Vervaeke recorded are very inspirational and motivational. The professors are so respected by many people, the same is for me too ^^

[@TheDrb27]

My two favorite teachers together.

[@JCGriffith]

These conversations feed my soul 🙏

[@PaintingOrchids8]

You should try contacting Anne Barnhardt!! She is (in my humble opinion) a genuine genius that I think talking to would be very insightful for both you and your viewers, she would probably do over web cam, but I think she is the only person that you would have a full discussion about Christianity... I don't even know if you read these comments, but I hope this one finds you. God Bless.

[@ChrisOgunlowo]

New discovery. Thanks for mentioning her.

[@PaintingOrchids8]

@@ChrisOgunlowo of course! Hope she's as helpful to you as she is to me!

[@jonathantrautman]

thank you the conversations you two have are undeniably excellent

[@DerGoRaN96]

was a great episode, loved every word, really insperational

[@autumnleaves2766]

I enjoyed listening to Dr Jordan Peterson and Dr John Vervaeke, two great Canadian intellectuals. Good to hear that Dr Vervaeke enjoyed filming his three lecture series for Peterson Academy. Sorely tempted to sign up for Peterson Academy, as one of those 60-something students. Just need to see what secure payment systems are in place for those of us in Europe. I hope Dr Peterson can spend less time on social media, it is not an uplifting experience for the most part and, as he said, the trolls, bots and scammers are everywhere. So many people are glued to their phones, I have to swerve to avoid crashing into them in the street. I was impressed that Dr Vervaeke underwent Jungian psychoanalysis, I'd imagine that there would not be many Jungian psychologists out there these days, cognitive behavioural therapy having been in favour for a good while now.

[@TheWasthereonce]

There's a podcast called "This Jungian Life" that has 3 Jungian psychoanalysts discussing various topics. It's a wonderful podcast.

[@birthing4blokes46]

When he says he missed being a Christian, i know what he means, I do too. With the advent of AI, I wish i had to create sermon series again, i have been preparing using a kind of evangelical sermon series, the last one I did was about the use of money, taught from proverbs, i did enjoy the process. Thank you for this video.

[@notmyrealpseudonym6702]

Animated John Vervaeke is peak JV. As soon as he starts waving his hands around I know we're in for some brilliance.

[@colorfulbookmark]

Dr.Peterson and Dr.Vervaeke were same university faculty, and they have experiences at science, they are good friend sharing experiences. "Shared experience" is important thing to be friend, so is very brilliant friendship possible, younger people need to learn from this friendship ^^

[@lukegranata7154]

Best I’ve seen JP. He’s interesting at this depth.

[@redlikesun]

I really like Vervaeke, these conversations are great!

[@AGC479]

You should really have “Whatifalthist” on your podcast. He has a comprehensive knowledge on history and has used that knowledge to help formulate some very real scenarios of where our western as well and eastern civilization is heading within the next 100 years. He’s young but his insight is staggering and would make for a very entertaining episode if you were to speak to him.

[@skylinefever]

I liked his video of why Gen Z should stop bother coping. It included a concept that happenned to me. They may have been exposed to religion. Maybe not. However, they could not believe it. Whatever positive effect it is supposed to have, many cannot get whatever they are supposed to get.

[@valerieparris3178]

Christ is the door and we just need to be sure we enter there. He knows every one he has created and meets them in their capacity

[@brookemoore8369]

Jordan, I don’t know if you’ll ever see this…. But I wanted to tell you that I went to see you at the height of COVID with my sister, and we were watching you like a hawk. We were watching to see how you treated people when a pandemic was raging and the societal pressure for you to distance yourself from your fans was immense. You ABSOLUTELY exceeded our expectations and showed us you were who you said you were. You didn’t make people wear masks, you shook your fans’ hands and let them take pictures with you, and you were HIGHLY attentive; listening and understanding people when they answered your questions. It was after these moments that I knew that who I was seeing on my tiny screen was who you actually were. You gave a lot of people hope that day. Thank you for being true to who you say you are. You are a true hero.

[@Well-Put]

Such a thoughtful comment

[@Ethan-mn9jh]

Fuck Yeah!! 🫡

[@AFringedGentianToEnnien]

That was my experience, too. When I met him, I was too shy at first to go up to him because I was not sure he would be the same in person as he is on camera but he IS. Exactly the same. He was so gentle and tender with this shy one. He set me instantly at ease.

[@brookemoore8369]

@@Ethan-mn9jhfuck yeah is right!!

[@brookemoore8369]

@shamanmakoi6856we were watching….

[@joryiansmith]

This was a truly inspirational and insightful conversation, thank you guys so much for sharing❤

[@bartbengal]

I haven't even watched it yet and I already know it's going to be great. Love when these two speak

[@DJWHFun]

I have been desperately waiting for you two to get together again. Sequels rarely surpass the originals, yet every once in a while we get a Robocop 2, that isn’t better as an overall film, but it sure was funnier. If you’re taking requests I’d like to see you have a sit down with John Valon once more😮. Ok now I’m going to watch the episode.

[@chrispercival9789]

I've been looking forward to this conversation!

[@donnellcooper5593]

The Jordan 1s make me happy

[@johnmuench6459]

John Vervaeke = Good Man!!! ✅👍👍🙏 Thanks Jordan 💪💪🦉🎵🎶🎉

[@giv123]

These two are always a great combination. Throw in Pageau for good measure as well!

[@fevereddreams3805]

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK! I have come to greater understandings of purpose meaning faith and wisdom from it. Thank both of you very much.

[@_Erendis]

Woohoo! Book form of the Vervaekening! Can't wait!

[@gosomkiet]

I would love to hear more from both of you on what is holding you back, so to speak, from the “propositional” acceptance of Christ. I understand Vervaeke’s point about the insufficiency of accepting proposition alone, as many people can accept the proposition on the surface but not actually embody the logos or live with agape, but as Peterson conceded near the end, the propositional for many can be something of a pathway to embodiment. From a Christian point of view, I think this truth is somewhat obvious from the Bible, and that the way to avoid an essentially empty propositional belief is to “walk by the Spirit,” as the apostle Paul writes. The proposition of Christ is not just a way to salvation, but Jesus is very clear that when you accept him, you recieve the Holy Spirit, the Helper-and if you walk by it, that is, act on the convictions it gives you, you will see the famous Fruit of the Spirit in your life. In that sense, by accepting Christ you are “free from the law,” so being a “true” Christian is indeed more than propositional. That being said, I think it’s wonderful that you seem to have found a way to find the fulfillment Christ can give you, but the question remains: why not at least try to accept the proposition? from where you currently stand spiritually, it seems that only good could come from trying out such a thing.

[@Secretname951]

I would love to see either or both of you in conversation with Gabor Maté. Thank you for this one!

[@ashvinpandurangi1221]

"This is just an indication that in remote antiquity there was an opposite spiritual consciousness in vivid contrast to the consciousness which we meet later among the Greeks. Greek consciousness brings to maturity the truly human element in earthly life, tries to assimilate into its humanity all that the Earth has to offer and is in consequence under the domination of a hierarchy which is seeking to lay hold of the elements of earthly life for its own development, and which therefore exercises the least possible control over men. The other consciousness, the ancient Hebrew consciousness surrenders itself entirely to the principle of the Elohim, is completely given up to Jahve. Those were the two great poles of civilisation in the past. ... It was only through the intermingling of these two, the Greek and the Hebrew influences, that it was possible for that unified consciousness to arise which was then able to absorb the Christ Impulse, the Christ principle. For within Christianity these two influences are to be found, merged together as the waters of two rivers flow into one. Thus while the life of the soul in modern western civilisation is inconceivable without the impact of Greece, it is no less so without the impulse which was contributed by the ancient Hebrew civilisation." (Rudolf Steiner, Steiner, GA 129)

[@stvbrsn]

I need more than 90 minutes with these two! More!!!!! Oh well.

[@trish87563]

I think beauty is compelling because it allows us to intuit the goodness and truth underlying the beautiful.

[@jamesclemens7100]

OUTSTANDING !!! Thank you very much.

[@amyb.6368]

I think I only understood about half of that. XD But even what I did understand gives me much food for thought. Thank you!

[@killa3468]

God I love you and god loved the world

[@MeowRawr-j4k]

One of the biggest problems with classical Christians is their, not just personal failure, to apply their faith to the existential, but the collective failure to do so. This is reflected in how few ever question if they are receiving an accurate portrayal of the Bible. What few that do get accosted by pherase preachers who convince them of the solar called "inerronability of the Bible" praying on a person's desire that God would make sure that each language translation is completely accurate. However, anyone who knows greed and Hebrew will know how wrong that predatory idea is.

[@Knitalatte520]

Yay, Shout out to PVK!

[@stevenmatetcho3229]

I wish I could talk to him one day, may God keep him healthy with long life.

[@AFringedGentianToEnnien]

I cannot recommend highly enough, when he goes back on tour, purchasing a meet and greet ticket and going to see him. You just can’t imagine how sweet he is in person. You will only get a few seconds to talk to him but you can pack a lot into those seconds.

[@stevenmatetcho3229]

@@AFringedGentianToEnnien Yh unfortunately I’m in Ghana and he has not visited that part of the world yet unfortunately

[@corinneb8475]

My most favourite of all the conversations on this podcast is when these two get together ☺️

[@BeAlphaX]

I Always have Faith... Believe in the Existence of Faith...

[@m.l.benson2055]

As always an amazing conversation between these two great thinkers!❤

[@mostlynotworking4112]

Omg so much TLC content this week

[@chad8537]

JBP is the gateway drug and JV is the hard stuff. Greatly appreciate them both❤

[@Hyumanity]

Oooofff, I think you're onto something!

[@ashleygatewood]

I see Vervaeke successfully wrestled his body back from Hermes;) This was an engaging conversation between the two of you, thanks for sharing.

[@tyleryoast8299]

holy crap I've been listening to this podcast recently and it's been chaning my life Had no idea he would go on Peterson

[@emiliek4002]

This was an awesome conversation.

[@DarrylWhiteguitar]

Each generation must speak to itself in a language it understands the ancient, holy wisdom. Jordan has been doing this well for years now.

[@christiantgolden]

Infinitely more enjoyable and helpful than the Muhammad Hijab vs William Lane Craig debacle on another channel.

[@athousandgreatbooks]

I see Dr. Vervaeke, I like the video.

[@DANJEDI]

Logos Agape ÷ Age appropriate, coming of age or A bye gone age!! Optimistic Insight! Inspiring!! Reasonable 👍 Jordan Peterson x Dr. John Verveake

[@Agaporis12]

I think when you say a person is an embodiment of the cosmic order, you are right but then as soon as we affirm it, we know immediately that this is not the whole truth. Something is wrong. Something is broken inside of us. We should be a reflection of the cosmic order but we know we aren't. An inherent awareness of the fall if ever there was one.

[@MinervaVeraqa]

this video format suits me a lot

[@jamesmasuda8542]

He has the Jordan 1s on dudes has class I must say love these two together very intelligent

[@mycelium-oracle]

both: zeitgeist personified