Relevance realization, predictive processing, and the no-self experience w/ Mark Miller

Mark Miller is a former student of mine, and currently he and I are work with Brett Andersen
• Relevance realization,... to integrate relevance realization theory with predictive processing theory. Mark has made use of that as well as some of my work on mindfulness to recently do experimental and theoretical work on people going through an experience of no self. Mark distinguished between a pathological version as in depersonalization and self-transcendence that can be conducive to the cultivation of meaning.
See the Cognitive Science Show series on the nature and function of the self. : • The Elusive I - Part 1...
This is part of my series Voices with Vervaeke: Science, Spirituality, and the Meaning Crisis. You can support my work on Patreon, with the proceeds going into the research I do at the University of Toronto on the Meaning Crisis and the cultivation of wisdom here: / johnvervaeke
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[@annenicholsonmbtp]

17:45

[@dezatron]

Internet archeologists of the future will be almost as happy to find this gem as John and Mark were to participate in it :)

[@renegadegardener]

Wow, I have never heard the mechanics of trauma and awakening explained so succinctly. This has been an exceptional dialogue. Thanks you guys.

[@alexandrazachary.musician]

Holy S#%*!!!

[@josephjacobs4799]

If ever I could commission a podcast mini series (and know how much of a life changing impact it would have on myself and others) it would be Mark Miller and yourself doing a comprehensive enquiry into predictive processing and self organisation (more generally).

[@reverie4632]

49:00

[@Andrew.baltazar]

Hearing the concept of meta-optimisation is an awakening experience in itself. I'm actually stunned 🤣🤣

[@ben-sanford]

"...Meta-optimal gripping, flowing in self-worlding.."

[@soul_voyage]

Best conversation I have seen so far. I very much appreciate the view of psychological disorder rather as a error in the updating system that has been fed with not good enough information. The way the topic is laid out is phenomenal:) thank you and greeting from germany.

[@newenglandbarbell4647]

Brilliant conversation, wisdom and poetry in motion. 👏👏👏

[@maidenmonster2589]

Can’t get enough of Vervaeke! Thank you!

[@stevennancarrow5044]

This brought me to tears ... it's been a harrowing 2 years of complete life change from an internal experience and to hear it explained plus pointing to wrong routes ive taken and it to be totally justifiable to follow such an out there prompt let alone reconfiguring the primal mechanism independently ... aaaaarrrrggggghhhhhh thank you !

[@missh1774]

oh man... i got high without drugs. was so good espically the last few minutes was gold. phew! ferari quality ty guys. mad i tell ya! (which means good quality).

[@Handeless]

Thank you so much for having this conversation. This brought some things together for me in a very meaningful and articulate way. You have made someone's life better by having this conversation. Can't wait for the next conversation!

[@jamesburns4226]

To quote John, "I think that is wonderfully tasty at a deep epistemic level!"

[@TheSpiralHero]

Something in this conversation really clicked for me. This is life changing stuff! Thank you for the insights.

[@Hyumanity]

Holy fuck, I think - that was amazing. I will be listening to this on repeat for awhile. Thank you, sincerely!

[@ericarzt9128]

This channel has provided me amazing tools of transformation and meaning making that has improved my quality of life and the lives and of those I impact. Thank you both for bringing this talk to us.

[@Valosken]

John, I'm so glad this now here. This is where it is as far as I'm concerned. I