Conservatives FACE OFF: Should Pro-Lifers ABANDON Trump?

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[@Gclarkie21]

And yet they vote against the child tax credit

[@KevinHoekman]

Democrats sure did for decades

[@CYeoung]

@@KevinHoekmanwho does now?

[@z-rossi3672]

@@KevinHoekman Roll Call Vote 118th Congress - 2nd Session, republicans blocked it

[@jalicea1650]

@@KevinHoekman Democrats have advocated it for decades and Republicans were against it.

[@funandgames4645]

@@KevinHoekman and republicans were pro war for decades

[@dylanwomble1033]

I can’t with this lady…. Does she really think people who use IVF do it because they want to? It’s so damn expensive…. They do it because they have to

[@thomasporrovecchio2600]

...they have to? 🤦‍♂

[@Reruro]

@@thomasporrovecchio2600 Plenty of parents do if they want to have kids, yes. This isn't rocket science, it's not like IVF is the very first thing you try.

[@dheezknutz]

IVF is selfish. Adopt a kid.

[@ladyj3173]

@@dheezknutzyou have no idea what you’re talking. Adoption is more expensive than IVF, takes years, requires approval after rigorous interrogation you probably wouldn’t pass, the mother of the child can change their mind leaving the intended parents out of many thousands of dollars, most adoptions are very open these days which makes the situation often feel like co parenting with bio family, and it often comes with its own trauma for the child, birth mother and adoptive parents. You literally have no idea what you’re talking and should educate yourself before making such comments.

[@dheezknutz]

@@ladyj3173 my opinion is unchanged. You’ll be alright.

[@martymar8993]

If you were in a burning building and you had the choice of saving one child or 100 unborn fetus in test tubes what would you do? Wild hypothetical i know.

[@ThatDogBarkz]

I actually think Lila would go for the fetuses 😂

[@donaldford2849]

Didn't someone get sued for this exact scenario playing out.

[@ChrisCypher]

I mean, it's a wild scenario but isn't that essentially conservative policy? We'll get you born but after that you're completely on your own.

[@superha0]

I mean if you were a utilitarian, you'd have to say the fetuses assuming that at least 2 would continue living. If none of the fetuses were capable of surviving in those conditions, then a utilitarian should choose the born child.

[@martymar8993]

@superha0 and leave a baby in the ... nope I'm not going there.

[@Kyle36147]

Imagine not voting for Trump because he’s not a big enough of a sick-o.

[@bevtaylor5466]

He’s just not Rose’s particular preferred kind of sicko.

[@jasonwhite6463]

LOL

[@pacocm9035]

Christ is King brother God Bless

[@vmv4956]

Look up abortions - video and pictures - actual reality of what’s happening today - then see if you have the same opinion about who’s the sick one

[@diannanagelvoortsaltz469]

“They love sexual abuse” what a horrible woman

[@WhiskeyActualTV]

she's not wrong, its great for business.

[@TJ-ep3kk]

@@WhiskeyActualTVyou are an unserious person

[@ewrock7635]

@@diannanagelvoortsaltz469 Krystal is the horrible one, as she's the one who supports killing innocent babies.

[@MiaAlex-q9s]

​@@WhiskeyActualTV you are crazy

[@catholicguy3605]

They do support sexual abuse

[@Fox_Zero]

I find it comical, that she accuses pro-choice voters of being radical, while she advocates for children victims of rape to be forced to carry the baby of their rapist! Ah, the audacity of this young lady. 😆

[@EWischan]

How insulting of her to say that just because we don't reach the same conclusions as her it means we haven't grappled with what abortion is.

[@deez3913]

And her trying to Force birth on people taking away freedom isn't? 😮 The whole idea of that is insulting.

[@Mortred99]

It's generally true. When you ask a "pro-choice" person details about their stance, most of the time it's revealed that they didn't come to their position, they simply inherited it.

[@mdubya340]

Most haven’t. Most pro aborts can’t answer simple questions, like when life begins.

[@clararose1795]

This lady is talking about zygotes as if they were full fledged children…with that worldview, she can’t imagine how anyone could see things any differently than her. When a child is pregnant by her rapist, Lyla doesnt understand how carrying that to term is more harmful than abortion, because she sees the zygote as equal to the pregnant child. I wonder what her views on Palestine are. 🤔

[@kaybrown7733]

@@Mortred99You mean pro birthers! 😂

[@keely_cn8924]

I don't think this woman has grappled with what it means for genetically for people to be born of incest and what kind of emotional trauma carrying a constant reminder of your rape around for 10 months.

[@songsaboutgrace]

Yes! She kept talking about the trauma of the sexual assault, but she wouldn’t bring up the trauma of carrying the pregnancy to term.

[@ExpresslyVPNed]

Maybe so. But what about the emotional trauma (and physical trauma) of seeing products of conception aka fetal parts in a toilet after taking a chemical abortifacent, and having to carry that around the rest of your life?

[@conuropsis]

@@ExpresslyVPNed What about giving the victim a choice about which trauma she'd rather endure?

[@HTtwentyten]

@@conuropsis No, because killing is wrong. Duh.

[@conuropsis]

​@@HTtwentyten So you're anti death penalty? a pacifist? an antivivisectionist? a vegan?

[@Rafeusmaximus]

Force the baby into this world with no guaranteed safety nets and make the poor even more poor by traumatizing them instead of allowing them to better themselves and situations to give their future children a real shot at a better life. Pro life my ass.

[@superha0]

That logic would hold for newborns and infants as well, do you think killing children in poor families should be legal? At the end of the day, making people's lives better is good, and we don't have to kill children to make lives better. That is simply a false dichotomy.

[@Cloudchopper-x1r]

You sound like Margaret Sanger. Let the poor, the unintelligent and minorities have abortions to make the lives better for others. Why on earth do you think they set up most abortion clinics next to black neighborhoods? it is not to help poor black people, it is not to have too many black babies born. Candice O wens and other black people have realized that. Abortions among many other things is also population control method for the elites to have more room and can lead better lives.

[@vmv4956]

Would you rather be poor or not exist at all? Do you think all poor people should not exist and have no life value? Accidental admission?

[@almichaels6443]

Everyone is pro life to some degree. As long as there’s a point during the pregnancy where you think the fetus should have a right to live, there will be a point where the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy won’t matter.

[@AndYouAre]

Yeah, it's impossible to have a good faith argument on the matter. There are too many reasons as to why people decide to abort for us to generalize. I don't think it's right to have recreational abortions. Those should be banned. I believe these are most abortions. But if those who oppose abortions don't advocate for policies for outside of the womb, then I believe they are losing on the issue. Fight for planned parenthood, better adoption agencies, more grants for single moms, and fight for more policies that support young parents.

[@timothypulliam2177]

I lost IQ points listening to this

[@shirwaikar1]

so you're negative IQ now?

[@Lerian_V]

You can't lose what you don't have.

[@thedelapo1606]

😂 all this, not having your opinions regurgitated back to you and having to listen to counter.Arguments hurt

[@middleagebrotips3454]

Yes 12 year olds should carry a high risk pregnancy in her underdeveloped body to term

[@auntiez4917]

Gah…

[@clapclap5452]

This is a clear case of the life of the mother in jeopardy so I supose the abortion would be legal anywhere

[@1101agaoj]

...your example happens EVERYDAY across the globe...

[@z-rossi3672]

​@@clapclap5452 the laws are poorly written because of how quickly they were drafted, theyre to vague leading to confusion for things like 'whats considered grave bodily harm'. Florida for example says you can do a late term abortion if it will save "a major bodily function"

[@rudeoldguy]

​@@clapclap5452 Unfortunately not, they still force the kids to have kids in most of these red states.

[@atrainexpress0110]

These people don’t care about babies at all. I bet that “care about the children” lady votes against free lunch for the poor children. They should just say they’re pro birth

[@diannanagelvoortsaltz469]

She cares about controlling people not caring about their health or sanity. She wants compliant drones….

[@superha0]

Free lunch is meaningless if the child is killed in the womb first.

[@bevtaylor5466]

Pro forced birth.

[@1101agaoj]

Imagine the nerve of expecting people to be responsible for their actions!

[@insanittiez4860]

@@1101agaojmajority of people can’t afford a $400 expense. Telling them to all of a sudden have a child that will cost thousands just to give birth alone is what is crazy. If you want less abortions, make having children less of a burden on families

[@dakotabro7]

This lady is so detached from reality.

[@gdesiree29]

Highly

[@kaybrown7733]

Pro birthers are usually insane. Being insane is their version of virtuesignaling.

[@catholicguy3605]

Yes Krystal is always deranged and diluted

[@moneygoodmauri7859]

@@gdesiree29 she might be, but she is highly principled in her beliefs.

[@JackM63538]

Not at all. She is very principled, honest, and has a deep sense of justice.

[@jackmakackov7077]

That woman is absolutely disgusting. People have views like she does until something bad happens to her or someone she loves. I have an IVF baby. She has no idea how this works. Its a last ditch effort to have a child. You dont just do IVF. You go through a very long and stressful process that IVF is the last step of. I wish I could make money talking about shit I have no idea about.....

[@middleagebrotips3454]

Oh they get their secret abortions no problem

[@farscape1975]

Check out the problems with IVF. Just because you want a baby doesn't mean you should get one.

[@catholicguy3605]

IVF is disgusting. Shame on you!!

[@TJ-ep3kk]

They don’t care about things until it personally effects them

[@keely_cn8924]

A very long, uncomfortable, stressful, grueling, expensive process. I know somebody who did it twice. Intense.

[@christopherrodriguez9514]

This woman is crazy lol.

[@gforce95vn]

"i do not think that that baby should have been killed for the crime of the father (rapist)". I think this lady deserves a designation higher than crazy. Even worse, she thinks the **trauma** of childbirth of a twelve years old is worth it to avoid the trauma of rape & subsequent abortion. Nuts, just truly nuts.

[@jonathanspeirs6317]

Hearing someone say that a 12 year old should have to carry their rapist stepfathers baby to term and simply be "removed from the situation" is shocking to hear. As a guy its shit like that that makes me understand why abortion is such a bad issue for the right. Anyone can imagine if that was their daughter/sister

[@yunusahmed2940]

Do you think it's ok to kill a child because of what their parent did? If the baby was 7-9 months in utero would your opinion change? Im not being cheeky this is a genuine question.

[@jerryboics9550]

Don't tell me abortion is for raped victims.. Seriously, what percentage do you think are for that? 0.5%?

[@jonathanspeirs6317]

@@yunusahmed2940 Ill answer your "genuine question" by pointing out your question paints a very specific opinion with a very broad brush. I'm not "killing a child because of what their parent did". Its terminating a pregnancy to prevent a 12 year old from going through months of pregnancy only to birth a son her rapist stepfather forced upon her that she will then be financially and legally responsible for. I don't believe the pregnancy should be terminated inherently because its a product of rape, but because this rapist has forced a human child inside of a 12 year old girl. If the girl were a legal adult I would still believe that she should have the right to terminate the fetus, otherwise you are saying it is okay for the government to force rapists babies to be born by their victims when we have a safe, effective solution that can prevent the unimaginable horror these victims feel from getting even worse

[@VColossalV]

​@@yunusahmed2940 the framing of that is all wrong, since you're not considering the additional trauma you are inflicting on this 12 year old. It's not surprising to me that you don't consider that, because if you have these views that's what you need to do, ignore that part. It's not about the crime it's about what YOU want to force a 12 year old to endure, despite what they have already endured.

[@jonathanspeirs6317]

@@yunusahmed2940 If my 12 year old daughter is raped and impregnated and I don't find out about it until a few months in, and you tell me that the government is preventing her from getting her rape baby aborted because it's a few weeks too late, I'm taking her to whatever state or place I need to to get the procedure. For many of these young girls who are raped and impregnated I'm sure adults who care often aren't even aware for months. And there's a difference between 7 months and 9 months that you can't group them together

[@atrainexpress0110]

Lila is probably holding back how she really feels. This is her filtered.

[@mdubya340]

What’s she hiding?

[@TJ-ep3kk]

@@mdubya340​​⁠​⁠that she wants anyone whose ever had an abortion to be jailed. That she wants doctors to be jailed. That she wants a national abortion ban with NO EXCEPTIONS for rape or Incest, this forcing 12 year olds to carry a fetus to term. The logical conclusion to her beliefs is that she wants men to be able to choose the mother if his child BY VIOLENT FORCE

[@taylorw3019]

Classic right wing reduced power levels.

[@lordhellfire153]

​@@TJ-ep3kkto add to this: I've heard directly from multiple pro life advocates that they do not believe that there is ever a medical necessity, in any circumstance, to perform an abortion.

[@Lerian_V]

​@@TJ-ep3kkAs opposed to murdering an innocent child.

[@Deesar_]

how does a woman not know that 2/3rds of fertilized eggs dont implant and disintigrate or wash out with the next period?

[@elijahtiemens5532]

So what?

[@Deesar_]

​@@elijahtiemens5532because at 4:00 she makes claims that a fertilized egg is a unique human life worthy of protection when odds are it's going to get flushed down the toilet or reabsorbed into the body before the woman knows she's pregnant. All naturally without any interference.

[@deidredonovan3864]

how is that the same.....

[@87adiwakar]

pro-lifers care so deeply for unborn kids, but dgaf about what happens to them after they're born nor the planet they inherit

[@mdubya340]

Common retort when someone doesn’t have a counter argument. Lazy and boring

[@TKLotusSWG]

So you’d be for abortion bans if the government aid for new mothers and infants was stronger?

[@karmaascendant3936]

@@mdubya340why didn’t Lila rose talk about the mental effects on that 12 year old of raising her rapist father’s baby? Even just raising a child is hard enough, let alone being that young and the potential harassment that that man can do to her through the legal system . Or just seeing the features of the man who assaulted her every day in that child? You all never bring that stuff up

[@87adiwakar]

@@mdubya340 *yawn* neither side on here really cares, they just want to score political points or appear morally righteous

[@Dana-pq7ke]

That's not true I am pro life but vote pro choice because I do not believe in this being a political issue. I also work as a nurse and activist and yes I do care about people. That's what I do. We are all not the same.

[@Kyle36147]

What the absolute shit is this lady talking about?

[@ThatDogBarkz]

I had to press pause. Her speaking was making my head hurt 😅

[@superha0]

She's saying that killing children should be illegal

[@VColossalV]

@@superha0 No, she's saying that 12 year olds should be forced to birth their rapists incest babies. So not pro-life. She is equating an embryo with a child. An embryo is not a person. It does not feel pain. It does not have feelings. it has no personhood whatsoever. A potential person is not a person, if someone ejaculates they are not doing genocide. Stop being a moron.

[@VColossalV]

@@superha0 or she's saying that 12 years olds should be forced into birthing their rapists incest babies, perhaps over and over, and over. An embryo with no personhood at all has more rights than an actual fully developed human, according to her. Agree?

[@VColossalV]

@@superha0 or she's saying that 12 years olds should be forced into birthing their rapists incest babies, perhaps over and over, and over.

[@MrFishy57]

Some of the guests on the show lately are unhinged

[@xoutofstep]

its just mainstream conservatism lol

[@edwardseavey1172]

Yeah, good on breaking points for showing us these nutcases. Anti freedom maniacs.

[@Trendilien69]

They seem to want to diversify extreme views presented from all sides of the political spectrum. I dunno, I agree the last 2 guests are sort unhinged, especially the last guy the “ what is a woman” one.

[@760mom]

What boggles my mind is how they feel you can just carry a child , give birth and then give it away like a donation shirt. The lifelong feelings of being adopted isn't always rosey.

[@meanderinoranges]

What about the life-long regret of ending a life?

[@adee1626]

What boggles my mind is with all contraceptives we have people still get pregnant. We call a bacteria a living organism but a fetus nah let’s get rid of it

[@1massboy]

@@meanderinoranges Come on bro. You’re starting the kid on the -42nd line and while some will thrive, most will not. You’re not giving them a life to live in the first place and often society ends up paying the cost of that. We must be more responsible than that.

[@meanderinoranges]

@@1massboy thanks for displaying a complete and total lack of empathy. None of those specifics of a situation matter years later. The regret is often soul crushing.

[@DLee84331]

@@1massboysoooo by that logic people with a disadvantage shouldn’t live? So people in poverty should be euthanized? People in poverty shouldn’t have children? Weird logic

[@MrGameday15]

Wilt Chamberlain > Will Chamberlain

[@92SC300TT]

Definitely disappointed a lot of Wilt fans.

[@krillin876]

Not really a fair comparison considering Wilt was probably the coolest guy ever to live on Earth

[@wallywinglepop7379]

Will never dropped a 100 piece with sides in a game

[@92SC300TT]

@@MrGameday15 a pro life Wilt Chamberlin interview would be fascinating

[@Flexible_photon]

Child: mom can we go see Wilt Chamberlain? Mom: We have Will Chamberlain at home

[@Christian-ip3vz]

Diddy: Freak offs! Breaking Points: We gotchu. Here's two freaks.

[@ewrock7635]

@@Christian-ip3vz One of whom happens to be a thousand times hotter than any baby-killing woman I've ever met.

[@NeerajRajput1990]

Credit to Breaking Points for prividing platform. I find them interesting.

[@fishjungle9]

Says the one calling them freaks

[@92SC300TT]

😂😂😂😂

[@malik_alharb]

Krystal ans Kyle seem like a couple who would love going to freak offs

[@chrisvalentine4365]

Almost feels bad to see someone like Lila think that she would have many more people on her side if they just "knew the facts", as someone who went off to Catholic school this indoctrination campaign 25 years ago the reality is almost no one in this country agrees with Lila's perspective in any statistically significant way and it will only become more overwhelmingly the case.

[@spicymemes7458]

This is like deciding whether or not its politically smart to abandon the KKK.

[@juandeldiablo696]

Man those commercials are brutal for republicans

[@jooseppielleese7156]

But not for Trump since he's pro IVF and is letting states decided abortion

[@cperez1000]

You lost them before this 😂

[@jorge-7121]

very deceiveful, only idiots would fall for that commercial

[@nemesis7884]

this lady is a clear case of not being able to have any empathy or put herself into someone elses shoes...a general problem of conservatives...until they themselves or someone close to them is in such a situation and suddenly they completely change their stance as has happend so often

[@joshualewis8923]

Are you putting yourself in the shoes of 3000 child that are aborted every day?

[@Michael-yg1qd]

The depressing and inescapable truth is that stories like that young girl's simply are not going to go away. The pro-life woman in this segment implies that all of the resources needed to ensure the safe and proper raising of an (incestuous) child, as well as, the necessary care and "justice" for the victim, are somehow guaranteed. She can make no such guarantees. It's so simple-minded and naive, that people just instinctively know that it is politically unviable.

[@bevtaylor5466]

To me, she seems like a grifter who has found out she can make a living by simping for this extreme position. Either that, or she has no grasp of reality herself.

[@erikwatkins8471]

Lila is a wack job

[@straunwagner6322]

Imagine claiming you’re pro-life while being gung ho for Israel.

[@zope6362]

When did Lila ever mention Israel?

[@alimartin5053]

THE SCIENCE IS VERY CLEAR?!?! How does she expect anyone to take her seriously?

[@mdubya340]

Majority of biologists agree life starts at conception. Google it brah

[@catholicguy3605]

It is clear. At the moment of conception the child is alive, the child is human, and the child has it's own individual DNA. It is a human baby and we kill thousands every year.

[@lovaboy57]

On that fact… she’s correct. It’s a unique human genetic code at the point of fertilization.

[@ChrisCypher]

​@lovaboy57 it's a ball of goo with instructions. That doesn't necessarily make it a person anymore than having a blueprint and pile of bricks means I have a house. Personhood is not so cut and dry.

[@VColossalV]

@@lovaboy57 That does not mean it is a person or has personhood. Sperm has genetic code but nobody is committing genocide when they ejaculate.

[@timothypulliam2177]

As someone who used to be a fetus, I wouldn't know or care if i were aborted. Case closed

[@sandiharris5906]

also if there is a God and if God is for you who can be against you? That is you can kill the unborn but if God is in charge, no Biggie

[@ashlielove6513]

Thank you. Geez.

[@MichaelEdwards-gc2xx]

So wouldn't any dead person, once you are dead..

[@superha0]

That statement makes no sense. That's basically saying a dead person wouldn't care that they were just murdered.

[@commiehunter781]

As a former fetus I disagree

[@michaelbrice5169]

These pro lifers are nuts

[@DLee84331]

@@michaelbrice5169 says the side that wants to murder innocent babies, 😄

[@musicman9023]

This pro life activist: how dare the opposing political campaign showcase a victim of the terrible policies I support. That's just deceptive! 😂

[@stoopiddummy69696]

This woman does not care about unborn children

[@TheValhalla1989]

Lila turns up the vile immediately

[@ThatDogBarkz]

Rather than try to persuade pro-choicers, she immediately shts all over us. This woman is a piece of work 😂

[@jeffshane9191]

this lady is soo awful

[@spiderguy418]

If fetuses are “children,” why aren’t they counted in the census? Why don’t they get funerals? Why do people say “I have 2 kids and 1 on the way” instead of “I have 3 kids”? Make it make sense…

[@dathremo.]

Mr Carlin - pleasure to meet you here

[@superha0]

Well aborted fetuses are dead so I don't know why we would count them in the census, born children and adults die all the time and don't get funerals and actually some people hold special shrines or services for miscarriages, and saying one on the way is still saying it's a child but it's in the womb.

[@spiderguy418]

@@superha0 fetuses in the womb are not counted in the census - that was my point

[@talyahr3302]

Why dont they get social security numbers at conception too. Lol. Why cant you claim embryos on your taxes before theyre born for benefits.

[@danieldupuis4514]

Yet, if you murder a pregnant woman, it's double homicide... If it's not a human child, then surely you should only be charged for the mother?

[@bryson8918]

The anti choice lady and her virtue signaling is unbearable. She is incapable of putting her far right Christian ideology aside so they can have discussion on the political implications of said positions. She quite literally just spent the entire time regurgitating talking points that no one even disputes. She completely missed the forest for the trees.

[@diannanagelvoortsaltz469]

Well she can’t speak to anything else, abortion is the only talking point she can handle and she doesn’t do that well…

[@MiaAlex-q9s]

Is she advocating for those children once they are alive and born?

[@travishindman9362]

Nope lol. Straight out of the womb, into the coal mines

[@bevtaylor5466]

Of course not. These people vote for politicians who take away healthcare and child tax credits and who refuse funding for school lunches for hungry kids. They care nothing about real children.

[@McP1mpin]

This is such a bizarre argument that would never be presented in the other direction. "You think all children who aren't properly cared for would have been better off dead?"

[@Dana-pq7ke]

Good point

[@taylorw3019]

​@@McP1mpinthe point is. If you care for children you should want to push for anything to support them. Available food water and shelter.

[@TheNabankur]

I would have loved to hear Lila’s stance on so many children getting killed by guns in this country

[@adee1626]

What does one have to do with the other?

[@TheNabankur]

@@adee1626 if she is so passionately talking with a smile on her face about saving babies, she should have also been asked about her stance on guns when so many children are getting killed by it every year.

[@adee1626]

@@TheNabankurask a guns rights activist about that. Be serious

[@karmaascendant3936]

@@adee1626they’re just checking to see if she has a point at which she stops caring about the lives of children. It’s perfectly reasonable to ask. I’d also ask if she’d support increasing funding for childcare, extending both parental leaves, paying teachers more, increasing school funding and other such pro child policies.

[@adee1626]

@@karmaascendant3936 her cause is one thing. Do you go around asking people who make it their life to save animals why they don’t save children instead? No .

[@CyranoForever101]

I look forward to the day when it's progressive vs liberal rather than conservative vs liberal

[@talyahr3302]

YES!

[@aesop1451]

That will never happen because most progressives are fake revolutionaries that end up voting for the liberal Democratic plantation. The MAGAs overthrew the Cheneys, the Bushes, the Romneys, and the McCains. Most liberal Republicans have joined the Democrats, further reinforcing their ideological orientation and making it harder for revolutionaries to take it over.

[@Dtine1996]

less than 5 minutes in.... This Lila Rose woman makes my skin crawl

[@ewrock7635]

@@Dtine1996 Baby killers make my skin crawl.

[@carlozcabrera]

Well yea, she got raped by her dad and then got pregnant. Maybe feel that way towards her dad ?

[@timothypulliam2177]

Good thing abortion isn't killing babies​@@ewrock7635

[@andren8788]

​@@ewrock7635 Same!

[@icekills1]

​@ewrock7635 asked Lila if it's moral for the isrealites to slain cannanites babies.

[@rmzidann]

Mind your own damn business! 😉

[@chelsmaria]

Why is no one talking about the rapist having access to parental rights? Can you imagine how traumatic that would be having to coparent with your rapist stepfather? Also, Lila Rose has the most sociopathic crazy eyes I've seen in a long time.

[@mdcdexgreasedg395]

Thanks, Breaking Points. I now understand how insane these people are.

[@justinhunt8088]

"I do not believe that just because you are opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, a child educated, a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." Nun Joan Chittister

[@wfleming537]

Amen, let's protect live and provide for the general welfare, deal?

[@deidredonovan3864]

sure.... but Lila does all those things just because they were talking about Trump in this doesn't mean she isn't whole life or supports children their whole life... they didn't even talk about that

[@willis7404]

It’s amazing the similarities between this issue on the right and on the Israel conflict on the left. She, like the pro Palestine people, greatly overestimate their support among the general population

[@yesfredfredburger8008]

I’m anti-abortion, anti-punishment. The way to reduce abortions is to improve the economy and reduce the number of valid rationalizations.

[@talyahr3302]

Fair.

[@wfleming537]

same that's why I vote solidarity party

[@deidredonovan3864]

​@@wfleming537I bet Lila will too

[@tedroberts5016]

Whatever your issue is, if you're willing to overlook it and vote for someone anyway, than its not really your issue.

[@lgiron6233]

Thank you for hosting a pro-life point of view

[@michaelh4227]

Technically if you're a single issue abortion voter you would want Trump to lose no matter what position he takes. If this one guy is single-handedly trying to pull the party that stood for your issue away then he should lose so you can send a message. Him winning would just allow the GOP to become more pro-choice which will create the 60 votes necessary to codify Roe.

[@Ramennoodlekilla]

Lila Rose is the real life Serena Joy

[@gregorypierquet6321]

If you believe a pre-birth baby is a human, and you're against killing innocent humans, then Lila's case makes a lot of sense, even if it's very counter-cultural these days.

[@VColossalV]

even if it makes no sense, because the value of a person is their personhood. An embryo does not have personhood. It is not a person. It does not have thoughts. It does not have feelings. It does not feel pain. That is what matters.

[@ladyj3173]

Pre birth is crazy though. When do you consider a baby in the womb a human? 9 months? 7 months? Never until birth?

[@VColossalV]

@@ladyj3173 It becomes a person when it is aware. Can feel pain and suffer. So no, definitely not third trimester.

[@deidredonovan3864]

​@@VColossalVa one day old baby doesn't have these qualities either would you support killing a one day old. How about a 25 week old preemie... they definitely do not, should we get rid of NICU care?

[@coreylewis2319]

She loves life until it is born.

[@scottlint7016]

100% abortion needs to be legal.

[@Relacks27]

The sentimentalism of the pro life message has done nothing but damage

[@Dana-pq7ke]

I am prolife but vote pro choice because I agree. In the sense that I support women prevent these pregnancies first and that when they are pregnant I support adoption. But I do not believe in trying to approach the issue this way. It has made things worse. My sister actually got pregnant when she was only 13. I took her to a prolife place over my parents paying for an abortion. She had both opinions. She had the baby and my uncle adopted. When he turned 18 we told him and they are the most in love family ever like ever. He ended up being a musician like me so we play together actually which is kind of cool.

[@nicusorluis7274]

I'm also pro-life, but after hearing this girl, I understand why Trump doesn't have more than 50% of the votes, good people, when the country is not doing well economically, abortions are very high😢

[@talyahr3302]

Don't no one care about a non developed being if they dont want it. Economy is too expensive to be popping out unwanted babies.

[@ADrew26]

id love to to hear this woman's take on gun control. Seeing as firearms is the leading cause of death to children in America, im sure she'd be on the right side....i wont hold my breath

[@vincentmilburn]

Murder with a gun is already illegal.

[@caroll96003]

She does know that if Trump says what she wants him to say, it doesn’t have anything to do with what he will actually do if he’s elected.

[@TRal55]

Lila is a voice for the voiceless! They also happen to be mouthless, faceless, motionless, thoughtless, awareless, brainless, basically humanless but go girl go!

[@jackraymond7288]

Wow y’all have been platforming some disgusting people lately

[@martymar8993]

Isn't the concept of the show to show the whole story and allow every viewpoint to be represented?

[@jackraymond7288]

@@martymar8993 two shades of anti-choice psychopathy doesn’t really seem like the whole story does it?

[@Kyle36147]

@@martymar8993 I guess, but if you were to do so maybe actually bringing up what constitutes a human life. It’s not even a fetus at conception let alone a human life. You can have opinions but when they’re not grounded in reality should we be listening to them or at the very least fact check them?

[@colinb8332]

There are MANY people out there who share the same beliefs as them. How will you ever arm yourself with good logic and arguments if you only just listen to people and opinions that make you happy?

[@jackraymond7288]

@@colinb8332 the point is this isn’t a balanced panel at all and platforming two people with extreme positions doesn’t come close to representing where the American electorate actually stands and the hosts offer no meaningful pushback to the guests false claims. Plus, I don’t think some fundamentalist wack job deserves the ethos/credence of appearing on a program like this.

[@Voicecolors]

Those people are despicable !

[@JP34.]

We celebrate Birthdays not conception days.

[@yashnigam6]

I’m pro-choice, but how is that an argument?

[@malik_alharb]

Im pro choice and anti abortion. Women should have choice but every abortion is a tragedy

[@sandiharris5906]

I am pro choice but of course the birth control pill is the best alternative

[@NGLaw56]

Amen thank you!

[@alimartin5053]

The only acceptable anti abortion stance. Just mind your damn business

[@a.d.9729]

Very true 💯

[@martymar8993]

Yep, very hard to articulate that stance when they are locked and loaded to call you evil for it.

[@dawnmitchell11]

Having an abortion does not take away the pain and trauma of rape. You will have the same amount of that whether you have the baby or not. Many couples are trying to adopt babies, it is reasonable option to humanely care for the woman and the resulting child. There are women who understand that the baby is a human who had nothing to do with the rape and doesn't deserve to be thrown away. I'm sure it takes them years and years to process the rape and the child that was a result of it. Just like any woman who is raped and has an abortion. For situations like very young adolescents or children, an abortion maybe the safer option as pregnancy can be much more dangerous for females under 14. These cases are not common however, they are more rare.

[@j.c.jeggis1818]

It certainly takes away the trauma of being forcibly impregnated by your rapist for 9 months…

[@deidredonovan3864]

several women raped who carried and had their babies have testified to Congress about this look it up. While I'm sure there is a diversity of options like all topics, many women say the baby was the only good thing to come from their rape. These are complicated issues

[@kristinisenberg4753]

She has crazy eyes

[@Chickpea-15]

Imagine frozen embryos being on your concern radar.

[@ashlielove6513]

As someone who struggles with depression, there are many a day i wish my mother had actually had the abortion appointment she told me she went to. Instead she left everyone else to take care of me because she couldnt handle it. They never care about the QUALITY OF LIFE or the scars left behind by people that should never been parents.

[@McP1mpin]

If you truly felt that way then you would have done something about it a while ago but the fact that you haven't proves that you don't actually believe what you're saying deep down.

[@talyahr3302]

​@McP1mpin Thats not a very smart response. People delete themselves everyday, so obviously they felt like deleting themselves many days before they actually did. Just because theyre still currently here today doesnt mean her comment is a lie at all. My goodness. Hello?? Stay away from mental health comments because youre obviously very ignorant and will say things that push people more towards the edge that theyre already on.

[@ladyj3173]

Well as someone who was almost aborted I am pretty happy and living a good life despite having negligent parents

[@wfleming537]

Please if you aren't already seek help, your life is worth living.

[@ladyj3173]

I’m fairly sympathetic to pro life perspectives but this lady is crazy.

[@onlynexus]

Being more pro life than pro women's health makes no sense.

[@mdubya340]

That’s a wild statement

[@DLee84331]

@@onlynexus makes perfect sense. Wanting to protect innocent babies from murder makes perfect sense.

[@kaybrown7733]

@DLee84331, A zygote nor a fetuses is a baby. Just like a seed isn't a plant. It's a seed. Stop gaslighting yourself into nutjob thinking. 😂

[@insanittiez4860]

@@DLee84331until the baby is born and Reps say “screw you, I don’t mind hospitals and pharma jacking up all your expenses and making it impossible for you to afford said kid”

[@deidredonovan3864]

women's health and abortion are not in explicitly connected. I don't understand your comment

[@TheCouchPotatoWatchesTV]

Hmmm, how many living, breathing, loved children could be saved each year with sensible gun control laws? 🤔

[@zope6362]

Why do you assume Lila is against sensible gun control?

[@joshuabrecka6012]

Around the 22 minute mark Lila mentions Malta as some sort of example for America to emulate. She might be concerned to find out that Malta has publicly funded healthcare, free at the point of service, and has for many years. lol

[@cestlavegan5793]

Maybe. Based on most conservatives. But maybe she supports socialized healthcare.

[@joshuabrecka6012]

@@cestlavegan5793 true. I dont want put words in her mouth. Im just going off of what conservatives usually support.

[@zope6362]

Yeah Lila knows about these things and supports them. As all pro life conservatives should.

[@Born2Win7774]

Hey I respect Lila! Most pro-lifers try to sugar coat and weasel out of their stance, but no, she's saying in no uncertain terms, idgaf if you were raped, incest, or if your life is in danger, I'm forcing my beliefs on you to have that baby! Great, now run on that!!

[@taylorcalvin5698]

“It’s a shame that you show real life situations that show implementing our theocratic agenda is a terrible idea”

[@boogerie]

To all who are hating on "that [pro-life] woman" remember and take to heart one thing she said: "pressure works."

[@amirhoda7247]

The question is: are you “pro life”, “pro birth” or “pro American life”? Where is the outrage and morality for dead Palestinian babies, or people on death row?

[@deidredonovan3864]

well they didn't ask that question... they were asking if they should vote for Donald trump

[@spenserbower1178]

She wants to get “justice” for a 12 year old victim of rape, but wants to force her to carry the baby to term. This lady is cold and heartless.

[@sandiharris5906]

if you are going to be a 1 issue voter, it should be Ukraine. Massive numbers of fully formed humans dead, a topic that morally should not be sidestepped

[@Cloudchopper-x1r]

You forgot Gaza, thousands and thousands of children and babies dead adn Biden/Harris are shipping more adn more bombs adn money to Israel.

[@basildawson4372]

I don’t agree with them at all, but they are consistent and respectful. Wish they didn’t choose their route, but I respect how they communicate their views without getting super heated

[@luckywright7285]

This shit is hilarious. I'm the epitome of the Michael Jackson popcorn meme right now. 😂😂🎉

[@talyahr3302]

Unfortunately its a little less funny for women 😪

[@FadedDream6969]

WOW. I understand the pro life movement, but dam some of these people are delusional.

[@abysso6539]

Single issue voters are lame. States rights issue, move on already.

[@deez3913]

Well states populations are voting for access and choices but some states are trying to cancel that even reversing it. States have even tried to make it harder to get stuff on the general ballots. The "states issue" thing is bunk.

[@bmass0828]

@@deez3913 So different states are doing different things? Sounds like its working like it was supposed too. Or do you want every state to conform to your ideas specifically?

[@fjuvo]

Ok. Every state should get a referendum. Oh wait - republicans don’t want to allow them. Same with weed

[@deez3913]

@@bmass0828 no genius, voters have been trying to keep access after states authorities have taken away those freedom's then fighting the will of the people.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

If you truly believe abortion is ending a life you cannot be ok with it on a state by state basis. Actually if these people have their way it would be world wide lol

[@rigil5477]

41 million Americans were enrolled in SNAP remember?

[@KTMGUY95]

MILLIONS of abotions EVERY YEAR..for convenience but they are talking about the .05%. The states get to decide.

[@dougsfriendskeeter]

Dont be mad when a state wants unrestricted abortion than 😂😂😂😂

[@KTMGUY95]

@@dougsfriendskeeter if you believe in killing a baby after it can feel pain, you should be convicted of murder.

[@rigil5477]

After the House, Schumer.

[@ponchupeechu]

Roe V Wade was the moderate position.

[@But_Stuff]

Wilt Chamberlain looks different in color. It’s crazy the the a man with a million bodies is pro life

[@acm3766]

Please, no more crazy people on the show after this lady. She is insaneeeee

[@Kyle36147]

Day 2 of breaking points having a guest on that thinks they can create a definition of a term out of thin air and believes we should all be governed by it. Yesterday was racism and today is what a human life is (at conception). When you have to change the definition of something to make a point you’re pretty much wrong. These people are sick.

[@superha0]

When we gain new understandings of human biology, terminology can change. We have more information on the conception and genetic process than we used to, and we know that yes a living organism, a homo sapien, is created at conception. It's an arbitrary concept to say life begins at conception, it's an understanding of biology.

[@Kyle36147]

@@superha0 you are a single celled embryo at conception. Is that the point a human life beings? Yes, but it’s not a Human being. It’s like calling a grain of flour next a glass of water a loaf of bread.

[@iampraneeth77]

If a woman has an abortion, her risk of the following mental health conditions increases by : Anxiety - 30% Suicidal behaviour - 70% Alcohol abuse - 130% Drug abuse - 300% This comes from a meta-analysis by a pro-choice researcher, Prof David Fergusson. Study titled : "Does abortion reduce the mental health risks of unwanted or unintended pregnancy? A re-appraisal of the evidence"

[@Okrush123]

It's amazing how shocked some people are that someone who sees a unborn child as a human (an innocent and vulnerable human, at that) wouldn't want them murdered under any circumstance.

[@hybridwafer]

It's no more shocking than a vegan saying that animals are sentient and shouldn't be killed and eaten. The shocking part is turning your beliefs into law for everyone else.

[@Okrush123]

​@@hybridwaferIt's not shocking for a vegan to be against taking the animal's life if they stay logically consistent and extend that protection to an unborn human. What's shocking is when a vegan fights for the life of an animal but then refuses to fight for the life of an unborn child (I'm running under the assumption we agree the unborn child is a human--if we don't, then this discussion is moot). There are already laws against murder. They're not attempting to write a new law but rather fight for the unborn human to receive those same protections, which makes sense to fight for if you believe for the unborn child to be another human. The bottom line = do you consider the unborn child a human? If so, shouldn't they, as an innocent individual, have the same protections as the innocent individual who's been born? This is the pro-life belief, so of course they will fight against abortion regardless of the circumstance.

[@rustyoak8860]

what I find shocking is people who think a cluster of cells is SIGNIFICANTLY more important than a living, breathing elementary school kid that simple, rational gun laws would save the life of.

[@hybridwafer]

@@Okrush123 I understand that someone believing that a 10 week fetus is a human or person would be against "murdering" it but it should be also obvious that someone believing that it's not a human or person does not consider it to be murder. The point I was trying to make is that one side respects both beliefs and lets people decide for themselves. The other side wants to force their beliefs on others. Having said that, no I don't believe a fetus is a human, as in a person, as in having thoughts, feelings or memories, as in being able to survive outside a womb. At some point, it becomes viable and then it becomes relevant to talk about rights and protections. Also I'm being charitable when I use the word 'belief' since there is medical science behind prenatal development.

[@gracehetfield5331]

Everyone who is rightfully claiming Lila is insane should see what she said about the woman who died in Georgia because of abortion bans. It was really heartless, cruel and victim-blame-y.

[@thestew57]

The problem is zealot conservatives believing their religous values and concepts should be super imposed upon everyone else thru policy and legislation. Ive said this for years: Repulicans and Conservatives need to understand that abortion is nuanced. You can be Pro Life and be Pro Choice at the same time. I am all for a womans right to choose, it isn't my body or my decision. The vast majority of abortions are medical issues that either make delivery at full term not viable , stilborn, or would endanger ther life of the mother. Most American support abortion and finding the right balance is really key. Hard core Republicans and Conservatives refuse to understand this and until they do moderates and independents will continue to refuse to support their candidates.

[@commiehunter781]

You are pro ab0rtion. You cannot be both

[@RuslanKD]

Lila Rose is awesome. So good to see her on here 🎉🎉🎉

[@zope6362]

Ruslan, the state of this comments section is shambolic. Let's pray for these people and for our culture.

[@MargaretQ]

So glad to see Lila. What a powerful speaker - respectful and kind. She’s a great voice for the voice pro life movement

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

I have a question for Pro Lifers. How close does a fetus have to be to a terrorist for you to justify its murder?

[@StephenSchulz-l4l]

Wow great discussion and I appreciate everyone’s civility. However the abortion issue was settled law according to every single justice sitting on the Supreme Court according to their testimony during their confirmation hearings until they knew they had a majority to overturn it which they then proceeded to do. As much as I think Lily is an eloquent spokeswoman for the pro life movement, their support does not extent to life after the baby is born or apparently to the life of the mother if the mothers life is at risk during pregnancy. The prolife movement does not support six week leave to care for a new born or the federal child tax credit or government child care support.

[@bevtaylor5466]

They only care about imaginary children, even the ones not viable, not real children that are born.

[@wfleming537]

"The prolife movement does not support six week leave to care for a new born or the federal child tax credit or government child care support" Many of us do, please don't paint with such a broad brush

[@vincentmilburn]

The pro-life movement leans conservative, but has people with a wide range of views elsewhere.

[@bryangaleas4464]

Difficult question. Until recently,it was easy to reconcile Trump being personally pro-choice while he was advancing moves to move abortion back to the states . However, in recent appearances, he is being waffling about it to attract more liberal votes.

[@bevtaylor5466]

No rational person would believe anything Trump says. He is desperate to get back in office to stay out of prison.

[@adee1626]

Vote Kamala then or stay hime

[@ladyj3173]

Moderate votes* he’s not going to get any liberal votes

[@dawnmitchell11]

Krystal, we already know your stance on abortion, can you please stop interrupting the lady? She has relevant points. The Pro-choice side never addresses the fall out after abortions. They never address the physical and mental health issues that can arise after an abortion. It's always, "getting an abortion will allow you to pursue what YOU want in life." Abortions can cause infertility for some women. Most women do not feel good mentally after an abortion and usually carry feelings of guilt/regret later in life.

[@jasonwhite6463]

Anyone feeling guilty their choice is not a reason to deny choice to others. Also, Krystal interrupted bcuz Lila was not only filibustering but also not answering direct questions.

[@bevtaylor5466]

There’s far more infertility and worse from pregnant women not being helped when they need a medically necessary abortion. They also end up with other lifelong problems like the young woman from Idaho who has a damaged heart because of their abortion ban.