Conservatives LOVE Dune 2 for NOT being WOKE (they don't understand it)

Dune Part II has released to widespread critical acclaim across the political spectrum. Denis Villeneuve has expressed that the franchise is about capitalism and colonialism - which all sounds very woke. But this hasn't seem to detract from Conservative enjoyment. In fact, they haven't even seem to register this fact, nor do they care that the book was inspired by anti-colonial resistance movements by Muslims in the Middle East.
Conservatives do have some criticisms though, specifically towards Zendaya's Chani but other than that - no wokeness to be found in Dune Part II.
In this video we look at the politics of the Dune films and books and ask why conservatives don't care or understand about political themes that seem to go against their own values.
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.00:00:00 - They love anti-Woke Dune
00:04:30 - My review of Dune Part II
00:07:00 - Islam and Dune Part II
00:09:20 - Ben Shapiro reviews Dune Part II
00:13:20 - Maybe Dune Part II is woke because of Chani???
00:20:20 - Denis Villeneuve's Leftist Politics
00:24:30 - Frank Herbert's very strange politics
00:29:10 - Villeneuve vs Herbert
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[@TenTempeh]

Shapiro: This movie so pro-life!!! Lady Jessica: Gimme that poison, I'll drink it no matter if I'm pregnant

[@FailcopterWes]

And in that scene we see a bundle of cells, thus taking away Ben's entire argument. Oh and the whole "what have we done" from the Reverend Mother upon realising what's going to happen with the kid. So pro-life, Ben...

[@pllpsy665]

Jessica woke librul confirmed.

[@Derek-le4er]

I didn't see a bundle of cells, I saw an unborn baby. Weird.@@FailcopterWes

[@seanbinkley7363]

Having read "Messiah" and seen the Children of Dune miniseries already I know for a fact that Alia Atreides (the baby from Dune Pt 2) is the best example of why abortion should be made legally available.

[@MrOzzification]

​@@Derek-le4er it's ok to be wrong sometimes. Happens to the best of us

[@GreyKnight7777]

Anti-colonialist Islamic revolution isn't the subtext of Dune, it's the literal text.

[@derekhenriquez5740]

Absolutely, conservatives can't fathom

[@goldgoldo]

I'm not religious or anything but i read the Quran when i was a child...the Mahdi (messiah) will come and kill al-Dajjal (satan) who is blind in one eye.

[@mangoorange7020]

@@goldgoldothe mehdi isn’t the messiah . Jesus is the messiah . The mehdi will come before Jesus . The mehdi is the descendant of the last prophet of Islam .

[@goldgoldo]

​@@mangoorange7020you're wrong...jesus will come before him...the Mahdi after him...look it up. I am /was "moslem"

[@goldgoldo]

​@@mangoorange7020 Listen...the Jews don't care about Jesus, coz their religion is older , moslems do. The Christians don't care about Mohammad, coz their religion is older...the Mahdi will be the last prophet who will care about Mohammad.

[@christopherflux6254]

Denis Villeneuve is a genius. He made a film about multiethnic Islamic space communists, where women hold all the real power and managed to convince Ben Shapiro that it’s the greatest film of all time.

[@Shockguey]

"space communists" Is that why it ends in genocide?

[@devinschexnayder7440]

Huh? This makes almost no sense.

[@Shockguey]

"space communists" Is that why it ends in ethnic cleansing?

[@9000ck]

Let me explain the comment for you. The Fremen are multiethnic, their religion is literally 'Zen-Sunni' taking in elements of Buddhism and Sunni Islam (if you ask me its more sufist). Their social organisation is highly socialistic with resource sharing taking precedence over interest in trade and hierarchy. They live in a far future where space travel is possible and human beings are spread amongst multiple planets. They engage in rebellious activities against a despotic regime which is fascistic, cruel, imperialistic and capitalistic. The women in the society have a high degree of influence particularly in their predominating role in their religion. Its also a well made movie. And Shapiro can't criticise it because it both a well written, well acted, well produced and highly entertaining movie. Instead the only thing he can point to is that Alia isn't aborted. Well - Alia also has superconsciousness foisted on her as a foetus which is not how typical pregnancies go - and goes onto to cause the death of billions.@@devinschexnayder7440

[@devinschexnayder7440]

@@9000ck Thanks for clarifying. How are the fremen multiethnic? While they do resource share, there are certainly religious leaders like the sayyadina, and the there are the seitch leaders. I also caution against calling anything authoritarian fascist. However, since the emperor has a big stake in CHOAM, there can be a passable case made.

[@jadetortellini6150]

Paul: **assassinates multiple imperial powers, leads the native population in a galactic jihad, is explicitly portrayed as an imperialist manipulator** Conservatives: finally, some apolitical film

[@blowingUpTheSunShine]

They see Paul as the perfect conservative leader.

[@willempasterkamp862]

@@blowingUpTheSunShine conservatism with compassion ! He is a saint, a sponsian

[@devildolphin2102]

Because it’s not modern day politics. You liberals hate fine now. And it’s hilarious

[@blowingUpTheSunShine]

@@devildolphin2102 That's the funniest part, you don't even see the parallels.

[@devildolphin2102]

@@blowingUpTheSunShine The fact you try and take Everything and twist it to Modern Day is so telling of how Rotted your brain is. It’s a movie of a Space Empire controlling the Universe and uses spice to use Light Speed. The fact your triggered because both Left and Right side audiences can enjoy the movie is hilarious

[@DarksideGmss0513]

I have a feeling they won't like Dune Messiah. I mean that's literally the reason Frank Herbert wrote it because everyone interpreted Dune wrong.

[@sertaki]

When Villeneuve originally said back in 2020 that he wasn't going to make Messiah, I thought that he was about to repeat Frank Herbert's experience of completely overestimatingv audience media literacy. Of course a large crowd would completely miss the point, just as it did with the book, but worse because now it's relying on more subtle storytelling and less internal monologue and now war aesthetic. He basically was going to either adapt Dune Messiah or accept that he created something that would be used as an example of exactly the opposite of its intended message.

[@TehIdiotOne]

@@sertaki It's hilarious that Denis tried even harder to express the message in the movie that Paul isn't a hero, and yet people *still* managed to miss that point entirely.

[@UNSTABLE111]

​@TehIdiotOne Dune Messiah is gonna be The Last Jedi, in that they are gonna see their beloved paul struggle with his prescient visions..Paul is gonna make mistakes, and he's gonna pay for it..

[@sertaki]

@@TehIdiotOneMedia literacy is just not taught properly nowadays.

[@Marqui91]

The only thing keeping me going atm is seeing the reactions by these conservative dipships when Messiah drops

[@empyrean-jamelgreaves8034]

An idiot would liken Paul to Luke. An intelligent man would realise Paul is Anakin.

[@robertborland5083]

The best description I have heard for Paul's arc in Dune is, "Imagine Anakin really liked sand,"

[@Dennis_The_Peasant]

If Paul is Anakin then Jessica is Palpatine lol

[@empyrean-jamelgreaves8034]

@@Dennis_The_Peasant yes. She would. Almost exactly the same except she genuinely believes it. Palpatine was playing for power constantly. Using whichever apprentice would get him there the fastest.

[@70briareos]

Exactly!

[@jessie6600]

Paul is not Anakin. Anakin murdered a bunch of kids cuz he snapped. He killed his pregnant girlfriend. He was an evil guy. Paul just chose the least bad out of all possible bad options. That’s, of course, if you trust in his prescience. Without Paul even more people would die

[@afterhourscinema782]

Just remember, Ben Shapiro is a FAILED SCREENWRITER 😂 Of course he doesnt understand cinema

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

What? You mean you haven't read his literary masterpiece "True Allegiance?"

[@DarksideGmss0513]

Have you not seen his Oscar award winning film Lady Ballers

[@itshitshow3856]

​@@DarksideGmss0513That film was Shapiro's masterpiece.

[@DarksideGmss0513]

@@itshitshow3856 I agree it definitely was his magnum opus

[@toddmorningstar4206]

I sense a great air of sarcasm here. If not that, then these replies are born of delusion.

[@liveforever141]

>this movie is pro-life >jihad genocided entire planets I dunno about that one chief

[@VGaming940]

I dont think you know what that term stands for chief.

[@chickenpants]

Dune can't be woke because there's guns and bombs and really cool knife fights. That seems to be the level of film analysis from Ben and pals.

[@JAspen-xe9nv]

Plenty of libs with guns and such. Look at any Portland, Seattle, New York or Chicago local news programming. They def believe in the 2nd, especially when it works in their fav.

[@mikewilliams6025]

If you live in an echochamber where you can't engage with ideas outside your own, I suppose this is a reasonable take on the situation

[@chickenpants]

@@mikewilliams6025 cool bananas Mike.

[@denk664]

​@@chickenpantsyou're clearly american

[@annoyingcommentator1582]

In the common usage of the term, a "woke" film is one where the primary considerations are for political propaganda, and all other aspects of creation are secondary. Dune is certainly not "woke" in that sense. Maybe people are really so retarded now that they literally think that there only two perspectives on any issue, and they also all those binaries align, and thus you can only ever engage one perspective by excluding the other, but no. You can make great art that attracts people of different viewpoints because it contains different viewpoints and allows interpretation from different viewpoints. Hacks on either side might dislike that. But it is true regardless.

[@rustkitty]

"Not woke" is when the social critique flies over your head.

[@JARV9701]

When conservatives/fachos love Starship Troopers and/or Star Wars

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

To be fair, a lot of things are over Ben Shapiro's head.

[@lightworker2956]

Most conservatives, and not a few insane twitter warriors and not the strawman that liberals construct in their minds, are fine with well-made stories that happen to make a point that the left likes, or that happen to have a gay character in it or whatever. The kind of woke movies that conservatives actually have a problem with is the type of movie that's only concerned with spreading The Message(tm) and not with actually being a good story. But this is a good story. I'm what the left would call right wing. In the past I've criticized media for being woke. I've also read the Dune book, the story or message doesn't fly over my head. I just genuinely don't consider Dune to be a woke movie. And you could also do a reading of Dune that points to a few things that some parts of the right likes. Ultimately Paul is concerned with family, and the right of course cares about family. And ultimately the devoutly religious people triumph, and of course religion is more associated with the right.

[@RadicOmega]

The attempted social critique doesn’t fly over any right wingers head, they just understand how it fails

[@HansJuergen-ps8bt]

@@lightworker2956 Reread, the message absolutely flew over your head. When he transcends to Mahdi, he sheds all his former self, including his ties to his family which he struggles with. Pauls story is way more profound and selfsearching you make it out, it is not about family. The way the story portrays religion is as a tool, to control and motivate the masses, to lead the jihad, as Serena Butler did before and as Mahdi dreads he has to repeat. The paths converge, he sees clearly there is no other way, Paul does not matter, there is only Muad'Dib and the jihad is inevitable.

[@PhantomHalf]

I love thinking that whenever a freman has a bad time and needs to clear their head they call a worm and just drive around for a bit

[@alesabelen1558]

no joke i actually saw that there were some girlies who related to chani calling the sandworm because it reminded them so much about when they had a bad time at the club or something

[@rasheedsunflowers665]

It’s also important note that Paul announced himself as “ Paul Muadib Atredies”. Not “Paul Muadib Usul” which is his fremen name Or “Paul Muabib Usul Atredies” which would’ve been a combination of his Fremen name and original name. It shows that he literally did things for vengeance, revival of his family house, and to conquer using the power of the Fremen. It ultimately comes down to him not liberating the Fremen for the sake of liberation of the Fremen.

[@lorcannagle]

I really hope the adaptation of Dune Messiah includes the bit where Paul says Hitler is an amateur compared to him, just to see Shaprio's head explode.

[@lifesymbiont5769]

did he really say that in the book?

[@Shockguey]

​@@lifesymbiont5769 Yes. After all Hitler did have SS groups in the middle east and he's praised there fornhis opposition to... **reads Koran** "The people of the book"

[@Siureivax]

@@lifesymbiont5769 yes. He compares himself to Genghis Khan and Hitler and say I can do worse lmao

[@lifesymbiont5769]

@@Siureivaxholy fuck

[@lorcannagle]

@@lifesymbiont5769 He does, here's the passage: "Genhis... Kahn? Was he of the Sardaukar, m'Lord?" "Oh, long before that. He killed... perhaps four million." "He must've had formidable weaponry to kill that many, Sire. Las-beams, perhaps, or..." "He didn't kill them himself, Stil. He killed the way I kill, by sending out his legions. There's another emperor i want you to note in passing -- a Hitler. He killed more than six million. Pretty good for those days." "Killed... by his legions?" Stilgar asked. "Yes." "Not very impressive statistics, m'Lord." Paul goes on to talk about how he's "killed sixty-one billion, sterilised ninety planets, completey demoralised five hundred others. I've wiped out the followers of forty religions..."

[@xvimlar]

Keep in mind these are the same people who watch Star Wars and don't realize they are the Empire, not the Rebels.

[@arctic_haze]

Or watching Star Trek, not realizing that it is basically a communist utopia.

[@--Morpheus--]

Imagine not knowing democracy blows

[@Shockguey]

"They are the empire" The Canon in the extended universe is that Palpatine was preparing for an intergalactic war and the Rebels ruined those plans dooming it all to foreign aggression. Even the Prequels' New Republic's nonarmament treaty caused them to die to the First Order and the emperors Granddaughter usurped the bloodline. The Empire is the clear winner on all accounts.

[@HydratedBeans]

@@ShockgueyLucas didn’t give a shit about the Vong. What a reach

[@Shockguey]

@@HydratedBeans Lucas signed off on all the expanded universe lore you tourist.

[@stuFF625]

I CANNOT WAIT for Villenueve to adapt the second book because in that one all the problems Zendaya’s character is worried about become real and explicit. I guarantee people who haven’t read the books (or paid attention to these movies) are going to complain that “wokeness” ruined the story despite all the themes being telegraphed from the beginning. People complained about Dune Messiah when it first dropped because it shattered their simplistic “hero’s journey” fantasies. We’re about to see it happen again in real time.

[@Shockguey]

What are you talking about. Both 1 and 2 make it explicit what's going to happen.

[@stuFF625]

@@Shockguey Of course, but even then I’m still seeing people not fully get it. My first time viewing in the theater, a dude was fully clapping and cheering when the Emperor knelt down to kiss the ring. I could be wrong, but it sounded like bro had become a true believer like Stilgar lol.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

@@stuFF625 that's amazing. And frightening.

[@Digger-Nick]

Chani wasn't like that in the books, she was a traditional woman lol. You played yourself

[@mainstreetsaint36]

@@Digger-Nick Traditional women can possess their own children because of genetic memory? I gotta tell my wife about that one.

[@andreoliveira191]

I even saw conservatives saying that the movie is telling us that Chani is wrong, and that the message of the movie is anti-woke and very conservative, saying that Paul's war that he iniciated at the end against the whole known universe is a good thing and that the fremen are doing a great thing following Paul as a religious figure in that crusade. Embarassing. Is not a clear good vs evil story.

[@nataki8776]

I know someone like that. Absolutely can't wait to hear what theyre going to think about the Messiah adaptation

[@Shockguey]

It's just Islamic.

[@52BLUE]

I’m trying to figure why you care so much about how people you obviously dislike interpret a movie you enjoy. It’s insane.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

ur surprised that conservatives are on board with a religious crusade? hehe lol do you know them?

[@that_heretic]

It kind of is, actually, it's just told from the perspective of one of the bad guys of the universe. Dune is a story about the dangers of messiahs and hierarchy. It's great.

[@taperhunter8671]

At several points in the film Paul talks about his nightmares about millions of people dying because of his own actions in the future. Paul brings the fremen into intergalactic war anyway. This should be enough to make anyone understand that Chani is in the right about not trusting him.

[@arctic_haze]

True but I'm pretty sure he said billions.

[@Shockguey]

That throws a wrench in the "it's uh ackshually 🤓 about Arab resistance" narrative. When the rest of the story is mass murder while shouting "jihad".

[@YVLIVS]

@@arctic_hazeHe says millions when we first see those visions but then he says billions later in the movie

[@HAssis856]

In the books the number is 60+ billions

[@krystiandrzazga1950]

@@arctic_haze I love that you needed to correct that lmao

[@elirane85]

At this point I have no idea what "Woke" means anymore.

[@Valfara770]

When used seriously I take it as a dogwhistle conservatives use very general to mean "leftist ideas I don't like", sometimes you can even leave out the "leftist". :P

[@arcturionblade1077]

It's code for anything they hate.

[@heyyodude8637]

It used to be being aware of the racism black people have faced by the system and institutions. Now you have people who used it and erased its original meaning to discriminate against queer people and poc.

[@mikaelnurmisto5978]

Its when woman or black

[@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme]

It mainly means being aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). And all this nonsense is because people who don't like that are very open about not like how people use art to call out the institutions.

[@ausername8699]

Dune is essentially pendulum theory, both in religion and politics. Oppression breeds fundamentalism, which leads to revolution, which leads to the death and oppression of the oppressors. Thus the cycle will always continue.

[@JBoxy7]

Exactly. Its a criticism of religion and how its used. What i ddont get is that ben shapiro understood this at least a little and nobody else here seems to.

[@johnweber4577]

Yeah, Dune is ultimately way more Spenglerian than it is Marxist.

[@MaskOfZer0]

They are so lacking in creativity they can't resist trying to claim every piece of great art, even if it's explicitly opposed to their worldview. They don't realize that Dune's protagonist is the bad guy. 🤣

[@jdg9999]

Frank Herbert was a Republican speechwriter you clown lol

[@VGaming940]

Your creativity is taking other ppls work and making it a shit show, to spread your sick ideas. The reason we like this because i don't have to go in see ppl shit on history telling me "Cleopatra is black"

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

Shapiro tries to compare the Harkonnen to the Soviets because the Baron Harkonnen's first name is Valdimir. That's about it.

[@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083]

Well doesn’t he know that Valdimir was actually an old Slavic name (although there was a Germanic version was a bit different), same as how Harkonnen was a Finnish name.

[@butelthomas2503]

wich is weird because the harkonnen seem more like a fascist capitalistic and materialistic faction than a communist one,like how they exploit people and are only interested in their basic impulses,the opposite of what the gom jabbar was about for paul,so for the book,the harkonnens are litteraly subhuman

[@sidharthcs2110]

His surname sounds Finnish

[@natmanprime4295]

its vladimir. russia is viking descended empire, and landsraad is BRICS, and harkonnen sounds scandinavian.

[@OzymandiasMD]

As much as I hate Shapiro that actually is why his name is Russian. Frank Herbert was a Cold War era Conservative and of course he wanted to evoke America’s great enemy in constructing his Harkonens.

[@Comrade_Cat_Pickle]

If they dont put the scene where Paul and Stilgar talk about hitler in the next movie, Im gonna be upset.

[@sammysoppy3361]

i feel like they are not gonna put that in. they might allude to it but they won’t say the words hitler. that would probably get the movie banned in germany where they don’t take that shit lightly, and not sure the lead who is a jewish man wants to be saying he’s worse than hitler, movie or not… there’s a reason why they aren’t even saying things like jihad. certain words are too polarizing in a modern day movie and it can be done in a better way and also saying i’m worse than hitler can totally come off as super duper clunky of a line anyways

[@sertaki]

German here. Your impression about our movie laws is wrong. There used to be more of an issue with video games covering Nazi themes, and being censored, but movies always had a free ride and have been allowed to use Hitler and the Nazis pretty freely, especially when they were making a point about their horrible impact on the world. And a scene that is basically "I am like Hitler, I am killing billions." "Hitler was an amateur compared to you" pointing out how horrible his holy war is, fits perfectly in this tradition.

[@nightlunastar]

German here too. I had to laugh when I have read that the movie will be banned in Germany because of Hitler, when in reality the only good german movies today are about World war 2.

[@ymck7246]

​@@sammysoppy3361 Germans literally made a comedy called "Look who's back" that talks about Hitler unexplainedly time traveling to the present and eventually becoming popular and a political candidate for the elections due to how much people agree with him even today. The movie serves as a warning against charismatic leaders and big political promises. Its a great comedy, if anything hard to find, but if you try I bet tou will get to it.

[@melvinbarnett1910]

​@@sammysoppy3361you mean blackballed by Jewish and conservative 😂 Europeans are more sensible about how they look at things.

[@speedyazi5029]

Dudes. If you can’t tell by the end of the movie that Paul is the bad guy, you are literally foregoing Herbet’s entire message and social commentary…

[@TheKavernacle]

I said in the video he's clearly the bad guy? About halfway through when Im talking about Chani - unless you are talking about conservatives then I agree :P

[@speedyazi5029]

@@TheKavernacle I was agreeing with you. I’m just commenting how stupid Ben Shapiro is! It’s crazy

[@mikaelste-marie1275]

Anti-SJW don't care about legacy. They already using Toryiama death to attack Sweet Baby Inc.

[@emptyblank099a]

even in the books hes never portrayed as a "bad guy". Hes a good guy forced to do bad things which are out of his control. The golden path makes this very clear.

[@froggerus2]

@@emptyblank099a Exactly! Seeing Paul as 100% evil is as false as seeing him 100% saviour.

[@puffball4484]

They hate Chani because Zendaya isn't white. That's it. They went into this movie looking for a reason to hate that character so they could make stupid rage bait culture war videos for their stupid audiences. Chani had every reason to be angry and defy Paul.

[@82Jaster]

The amusing part about all of this is that Denis has said Messiah is next, and it'll show that Chani was completely right in her views of Paul. So are they then going to say that it's gone woke (assuming that's the word they're using by then) despite the fact that Part Two in particular set the stage for what's to come in Messiah? I hope Denis keeps Paul comparing himself to Hitler in as well to see how Ben responds to that.

[@vit968]

Eh they would still hate Chani if she was white while doing the same things. Look at Brie Larson.

[@82Jaster]

@@vit968 She definitely would still be hated to some degree, but there's absolutely an extra level of hatred reserved for minorities, and black people in particular when it comes to people like this. Just think of how many times you've heard some variation of, "I don't have a problem with black people, just as long as they make sense.". Black people merely existing has to some type of justification in their eyes.

[@britt5650]

True but Zendaya is half white

[@yungmuney5903]

Not entirely, they hate Chani because it's a women that's not mindlessly following along with the straight white male lead regardless that he's becoming a psychotic warmonger. There's little that conservatives despise more than women with independence, autonomy and agency as much as they like to use Sarah Connor or Ripley to hide behind plausabe deniability. Grandfather clause is a hell of a drug.

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

Chani is literally the only character in this movie who sees a cult of personality abusing her people's religious zealotry for the glory of this rich white guy as a bad thing. "Doesn't see the big picture"? She's the *only* one looking at it! Which is very different from the books. I'm curious about how this will play out in Dune Messiah.

[@vatsetis]

I would really have prefered that Chani represented not an individual but a group (even if a small minority), would have given much more weight to her rejecting the Jihad at the end of the movie, IMHO. I understand that is what it represents, but it is filmed like a lonely personal decision (after all other Fremen have accepted Paul Mahdi)

[@MrEndstage]

Funny in messah and children of dune book there was growing faction of people opposing Paul and his family and are executed for it

[@0ptimuscrime]

She’s also proven to be correct in the future. Paul is not a good guy

[@MrEndstage]

@@0ptimuscrime he also kind of treats he like his own property before she dies

[@IwonaKlich]

Chani is just Siona Atreides. They basicaly replaced the character from another.

[@CJ-sr9wy]

The lack of media literacy and interpretation of context is so baffling - Chani is considered a “entitled b-tch” (misogynistic asf) because she justifiably doesn’t want a false messiah manipulating her people and leading them to their death ultimately for his own conquest of power? And the movie is considered pro-life because the fetus, Alia, is psychologically awakened by a fictional substance that explicitly grants her premature consciousness (which highlights that fact she literally wouldn’t be considered so without her drinking the Water of Life) as a narrative advancement… huh??

[@tatiana4050]

Cause you see, apparently any presentation of pregnancy is now pro-life. Next step is that any movie with alive people in it is pro life (cause clearly if you aren't pro life you are anti life)

[@ricopena2053]

That’s weird how they missed the other women manipulators, the bene geserit, who use feminine wiles to coerce the men into war. Plus the male rulers are depicted as senile (Emperor), obese (the Baron), overcompensating (the Beast), or psychopathic (Feyd).

[@TheLordboki]

I like the changes they made to Chani for various reasons. Problem is Zindaya, imo, she just gives off brat vibes which rubs people the wrong way. Doesn't really fit the role. And Alia case is actually pro-abortion. Would've been so much better for everyone.

[@txorimorea3869]

@@kidicaras2719 You need to read the next two books to fully understand why. In the first book she only tortures mentally her grandmother, kills sardaukar with her crysknife after destroying their minds, and of curse she kills her grandfather with gom jabbar.

[@Shockguey]

There is no "false messiah", the Bene Gesserit made a plan and the Fremen fell for it.

[@T.efpunkt]

14:50 he's talking BS. In the movie she says explicitly that the myth of the messiah was planted. She's not entitled, she's aware of the bigger picture as opposed to the original book version.

[@lloroshastar6347]

Yeah Midnight Edge seems like a particularly poorly educated and ill-informed anti-SJW grifter. Like these people now trying to claim the 90's X-men cartoon 'wasn't woke' when it was arguably the most progressive cartoon show on TV at the time.

[@katashworth41]

Ben Shapiro’s pronunciation of Villeneuve is painful.

[@mikaelste-marie1275]

Oh my god yes.

[@driesvanoosten4417]

And he probably thinks everybody else is pronouncing it wrong...

[@Alxxjb]

It’s pretty safe to assume that the intended message of a film is the exact opposite of what Ben Shapiro gleaned from it

[@valivali8104]

As long as it isn’t propaganda for hate, and even then he likely misunderstand something vital...

[@Fiveash-Art]

@@valivali8104 All hollywood movies are propaganda

[@joseayala2940]

It always is

[@p5eudo883]

He's sharp. Sharply stupid. But he is sharp.

[@moileboi2947]

He's going to be really disappointed by the third movie it looks like

[@djgiga2]

Conservatives be like "What? Rage Against the Machine isn't pro police? So when they say "Rally 'round the family with a pocket full of shells" they aren't rallying in support of your family, bringing sea shells, and helping out with house chores?"

[@dr.sergeykutzofykock9720]

Rage became "Rage on behalf of the Machine" instead of against

[@1MarkKeller]

That lyric verse to them means rallying around White Nationalism/ White Supremacy (family = Klan)/ White Fascism.

[@MrOzzification]

It's "Stop bringing politics into these anti-establishment bands" every fucking time

[@Shockguey]

Didn't they grift their fans out of money by overpricing their tickets just like Taylor Swift?

[@djgiga2]

@@Shockguey dude that's just ticket master

[@alex30425]

If part 2 had been a bad film, they would’ve called it woke but since it was a great movie they won’t.

[@NoExplosionsMcgee]

Conservatives and piss poor media literacy skills Name a more iconic duo

[@CramcrumBrewbringer]

Liberals also have "piss poor media literacy skills", at the same rate of conservatives. Don't be trapped in the belief that your side is correct and 50% of the population is incorrect, but instead realize that a two-party system generalizes different opinions and beliefs mixing together to form an overall political leaning. Unfortunately, a lot of people that lean more heavily on the liberal or conservative side and are unable to see the validity of the opposing sides' points, and we get polarization - and you're heavily polarized right now. I strongly suggest you don't fall into such traps. There's a good reason Washington hated the idea of a two-party system.

[@mattmorehouse9685]

@@CramcrumBrewbringer Got evidence, beyond the golden mean fallacy? Also Washington, may've been blinded to the fact that, when you get enough people together they'll naturally form parties around shared interests, and he doesn't seem to have much of an alternative to keep one party.

[@CramcrumBrewbringer]

@@mattmorehouse9685 I don't need to provide evidence, I'm not the one who instigated. YOU find ME evidence showing that that there is a correlation between conservatives and "media literacy".

[@sanninjiraiya]

Many of these commentators know what they're saying is wrong. It's about building and supporting a narrative and relying on peoples laziness, weak media literacy, and need for validation to get them to buy these interpretations.

[@CynthiaMcG]

They're also intellectually lazy enough to never ask themselves, "Are we the baddies?" Main Character Syndrome strikes again.

[@52BLUE]

So I listen to Ben Shapiro because I need validation? Is that it? Maybe stop speaking for others when you obviously have zero understanding on how others think. There are many who simply do not agree with Ben but don’t have a problem listening to what he has to say. We call those people Normal.

[@steppinrzr8396]

​@@52BLUEno one listening to ben seriously is normal lolol gtfoh

[@52BLUE]

@@steppinrzr8396 you’re listening to Ben in this video. Your boy is listening to Ben in this video. You need to listen to something before you can form your own opinion about it. Otherwise anything you say on the matter is nothing short of useless.

[@Jack_Slate]

@@52BLUEYou may be listening to Ben Shapiro to I guess be informed on whatever he's saying (like Kavernackle), but he isn't speaking to you. He's speaking to the people the OP mentioned.

[@mileshill7196]

Boy, they are NOT going to like how part 3 is going to go then lmao

[@SnarkyMcCarthy]

There will be no Part Three. This is the second half of the first book. Villeneuve wants to adapt Dune Messiah though.

[@mileshill7196]

@@SnarkyMcCarthy that’s what I meant. I feel like they’ll release the Messiah adaptation as a “part 3”

[@user-yw9ys3dz7x]

@@SnarkyMcCarthywe know

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

@@SnarkyMcCarthy Er... Part 3 would be Messiah... Part 4 Children of... Part 5 God Emperor, Part 6 Heretics... Part 7 Chapterhouse... And then they can start on Brian's additions. Worked right this could go on for decades.

[@robo3007]

@@DJTheTrainmanWalker No, Villeneuve has specified he only wants to tell Paul's story and tell it as a trilogy. If another director takes the later books up they'll probably follow a different naming convention, likely using the subtitles from the books.

[@lifesymbiont5769]

it's literally about anti-colonialism

[@user-oj7uc8tw9r]

The twist is that the anti-colonialism becomes colonialism in the movie when Paul leads a mass crusade against all the houses and becomes emperor lol which ironically, makes it anti-colonialist lol

[@kirani111]

This movie is literally a warning against people like Trump and Ben Shapiro, it’s so cute how he tries to divert his mob from realizing it 😂

[@joseayala2940]

Exactly!!, This movie have multiple layers but one of them is a cautionary tale about Charismatic leaders.

[@Digger-Nick]

Ironic when leftists are far more violent with less charismatic leaders. Make it make sense bigot

[@Digger-Nick]

@@joseayala2940 Not even charisma, just blind ignorance and fanaticism like leftists and muslims to this very day.

[@LetsGetitBoah]

So are you saying that Trump was literally trying to recruit poor people that live in sand, such as the Arabs, so that he could go onto Jihad the rest of the world? It’s more of a warning against people like bin Laden, or other spiritual leaders that their followers take too literally .

[@LetsGetitBoah]

@@joseayala2940 it’s a lot more than that, it’s the fact that the religious cults themselves create these sort of leaders. You do realize what happens later on in the books right?

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

As always, conservatives would hijack an artwork that literally criticizes them because the piece is too beautiful and too popular to slander.

[@floraposteschild4184]

@@seankrezanoski6840 If conservatism includes hanging onto power by any means, sure.

[@MyNameIsBucket]

You'll notice it was easy to dogpile on Starfield over FOOKIN PRONOUNS but somehow game of the year Baldur's Gate 3 was spared.

[@52BLUE]

@@MyNameIsBucketmost games can get away with a lot if they’re not shit. Unfortunately Starfield is.

[@MyNameIsBucket]

@@52BLUE Or in other words, conservatives use pretzel logic to construct a fantasy world where all woke media is a failure and all anti-woke media is a success.

[@toddmorningstar4206]

​@@seankrezanoski6840Is it not?

[@TheCobCAP]

blows my mind that conservatives love dune and 40k and have no idea that these franchises are actively shitting on them

[@valivali8104]

They just recently realize that song "American Idiot" was about them! 😂

[@RecMike]

They've got that scat fetish so it's fine

[@vatsetis]

Because they engage this cultural material in a very superficial level, and dont understand subtext or satire.

[@UlshaRS]

Wonder how many are playing Hell Divers 2🤣

[@CaytonicCox]

@@vatsetis I also think they don't want to understand the subtext too.

[@yoonahkang7384]

just to be clear, the character of Chani in the books is quite different of what we got in the movie. Chani is mostly silent and a background character in both dune 1 and dune messiah, so the feminist part of the story, if people want to interpret it like that, is an addition of Denis to the screenplay. I'm quite relieved of this addition.

[@Anita-di5nu]

it is also very clear that a big part of their relationship was him staying himself and not becoming an egomaniacal pretentious leader ? she rejected who he became long before the last scene 😂

[@wolborg105]

Frank herbert was a liberal debate lord before being a smug lib debate lord became a thing LMAO

[@pllpsy665]

Frank Herbert is that weird mix between libertardian ,environmentalist , conservative and shroomhead in the context of the 60s-70s. What could go wrong?

[@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083]

@@pllpsy665 answer: everything.

[@sonicalex2536]

I guess you could say he was the liber al gaib

[@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083]

@@pllpsy665 And doesn’t Frank realise that it is actually the private corporations that controls the government, not the other way around. Don’t need take my word for it look what the private automobile industry did from 1938-1951.

[@pllpsy665]

@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 Why look so far back when I can see what the private financial system did since 2000?

[@saranghae1saranghae]

Conservatives one day: The thing is WOKE! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKE! Conservatives the next day: The exact same thing is not woke. It's the greatest thing of all time. Conservatives the consecutive day after someone actually explains things to them: WOKE! WOOOOOOOOOOKE!

[@50-50_Grind]

"Woke?" What the hell is "woke"? Is it an animal? Do you have to feed it?

[@witherreactts-mm8ne]

true but replace conservatives with liberals and replace woke with "racist" "sexist" "tranphobic" ect

[@Shockguey]

​@@50-50_Grind Yes.

[@rubbercable]

fedayee ('fedaykin') - Encyclopedia Britannica _"1950s on, fedayeen came to mean guerrilla fighters or commandos-referring at first to those operating in Egypt against British forces near the Suez Canal and later to Palestinians operating against Israel from bases in Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan in an effort to reestablish Arab hegemony"_ Someone should tell Ben.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

Our man Ben ain't even Googling these things. Bless his heart. 😰

[@devanarmoriescu4531]

What's more terrifying? Finding baron Harkonen attached to your house rooftop at night, in the dark? Or doing the math of how many people like ben you have to share the world with?

[@82Jaster]

It's not particularly surprising that at a time when conservatives in America in particular treat a single person as their savior and have basically created less of a party and more of a cult around him would completely miss the point of a character like Chani actually being intended to be the audiences eyes when it comes to viewing Paul.

[@nah....6151]

I think part of it also has to do with those of us who remember the Lynch version and how in that one, Paul was treated as faultless and that the audience (and Chani) is supposed to root for him and the ending has him victorious. This is a very different interpretation.

[@ciaranirvine]

@@nah....6151 Different - and much closer to Frank Herbert's actual intent in the books

[@wyvern723]

They clearly didn't get the message about the danger of charismatic leaders, which was Frank Herberts intention. Yikes. These are the same people who think Home lander is awesome and not the bad guy.

[@leejs]

Which is insane. At multiple points in the movie he specifically states that if he goes South, he will be responsible for untold billions of deaths. He becomes emperor and immediately orders Stilgar to start the jihad that he knows will kill billions. There's no subtlety there and yet still... Whoosh.

[@Shockguey]

Don't look up who reveres Tony Montana.

[@82Jaster]

@@Shockguey Why? It's a bunch of idiotic rappers who only look at Tony going from nothing to extreme wealth and ignore where he ends up and all the destruction that he lives in his wake. What's your point?

[@itshitshow3856]

​@@82JasterHe believes rappers=Black probably. As if all Black ppl revere a violent criminal.

[@Chris-iq3ym]

by "they", do you mean one dude on KZbin or people who lean on the conservative side in general? Because I'm the latter, and Paul turning out to be the bad guy was my take on part 2. Even if they never said the word "jihad" out loud in the movies, that one was pretty obvious to me.

[@matiasdevaglia4541]

The thing about Dune, specially the books, is it's so dense and full of ideas and messages that anyone can "cherry-pick" something to love or hate about it. Herbert had to write "Messiah" to make the main message of first book more explicit to those who missed it.

[@hexusG4Z]

Frank Herbert was related to Joe McCarthy, he was referred to as 'Cousin Joe' All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted. - Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune

[@SnarkyMcCarthy]

If conservatives were not capable of real-life horror, they would be considered the greatest comedians of all time.

[@jeffersonderrickson5371]

Niel Breen levels of insanity.

[@jackmcglion8337]

Unintentionally yes

[@jugo1944]

They sound like toddlers parroting whatever their catch phrases of the day are. While whining about comic book movies. Absolute losers

[@roluevasreisa5730]

Why is Kapernick fat and even more white now What did the NFL fully fire him and he wanted to stop hiding his true self

[@slickandslaycious6579]

@@jackmcglion8337💯

[@jeffersonderrickson5371]

I watched this film and got hauntingly sad at the fact that I knew people would take away the intentional wrong message from it.

[@Shockguey]

Holy War.

[@samuelelawson]

Stories like Dune are a kind of test that will tell you a lot more about a person based on how they interpret the story than they might ever conciously tell you

[@UNSTABLE111]

@@Shockguey if they said jihad.. I bet their ass they would call it an islamic terrorist propaganda lol

[@hurta_]

Don’t worry! They’ll be flabbergasted by Dune Messiah and that’ll make up for it

[@arctic_haze]

They call movies "woke" when they dislike them but only when they flop. Now even Barbie is anti-feminist according to them.

[@Chris-iq3ym]

nah, no one is contesting the popularity of Barbie. Not a single one of the big anti-woke KZbinrs. There are reasons Barbie had success where most others fail though, mainly appealing to the main audience (women). What is the ratio when it comes to comic books fans? 70 percent male or so? Do you think they want to spend money on a feminist movie that's not even made for men to enjoy? There's your problem. That and the fact that most people are just incredibly tired of pandering.

[@arctic_haze]

@@Chris-iq3ym Not after it turned out to be such a success. Look for the videos made just before its release.

[@Chris-iq3ym]

@@arctic_hazeif that's the case, they definitely admit Barbie is successfull now. They're mostly right when it comes to predicting flops though. They've been proven right by every Disney movie since covid

[@Zarastro54]

@@Chris-iq3ym”Predicting” correctly that a Disney movie is going to be a stinker is hardly an achievement these days. The problem isn’t that those movies are “woke,” it’s that they are lazy cash grabs. ANYONE can see that coming.

[@Chris-iq3ym]

@@Zarastro54 the wokeness is most certainly part of the problem (the biggest one, if you ask me). When you tell the largest customer group that a movie isn't made for them, well, then the largest customer group simply won't buy tickets. Activism and common business sense don't go hand in hand.

[@robertrichards9565]

Frank Herbert not a leftist? Is he not a literal anarchist? It wasn’t just middle eastern anti colonial movements but African ones as well. The inspiration for Paul came from notable African revolutionaries. Frank Herbert is also a staunch atheist. In the novel Paul literally becomes a washed up character to demonstrate Herbert’s distrust of religion.

[@ApexGale]

I don't know how anyone could miss the anti-fundamentalism message in Dune. Faith was beneficial in the sense that it helped the Fremen survive in an inhabitable region. But faith and zealotry are two peas in a pod.

[@redryan20000]

Show me where Herbert said this, because Paul is just a character representing the dangers of blind belief in authority (of the messianic kind).

[@defenestrated23]

​​​@@ApexGaleThat checks out. didn't Herbert himself say one of the inspirations was his observation that there is an uncanny correlation between desert communities, fundamentalist Messianic religions, and tons of strife? I think he was distrustful of power structures in general.

[@rini6]

It was explicitly anti fascist, which can be seen as “woke.”

[@devinschexnayder7440]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[@kristinaant6239]

Paul isn't a good guy

[@rini6]

@@kristinaant6239 Exactly. It’s terrifying at the end.

[@devinschexnayder7440]

@@rini6 How is the first book specifically anti facist, rather than anti-authoritarian/anti exploitation?

[@A.B.-ub9un]

@@devinschexnayder7440 You act as though the right are anti-exploitation.

[@Seeker7172]

You know I think it's more sinister than them simply not getting it. They see it, but it's easier to not comment on it than to try and contest it. Dune 2 is very popular, if they went on to critique it's message, they would have a lot harder job than if they just said it's great and simply not comment on any of the messaging about the Arab struggle against imperialism.

[@TheKavernacle]

That is one theory I can believe but I have just been arguing with conservatives last week about Cyberpunk which they think isn't anti-capitalist so maybe conservatives are just mostly idiots

[@katieee4915]

thats the whole go woke go broke thing Something performed badly? Well, it was woke so ofc it performed badly! Something performed well? See, if you make something that isn't woke, people like it!

[@Sol-0T-hn5ro]

​@@TheKavernacleoh, btw, harkonen wasn't gay, he was a rappist and also a pdf-file. Nevertheless, aaawesome video brother and comrade. Ps. But Frankie was s homophobe, lets just get that out of the way, but he was still s great writer, see ppl? You can be good at one thing and bad at another, reformat your brain fron villains and heroes plz:)

[@bo4287]

Damn thats a great perspective. Hopefully they don’t become self aware and start using it as a more common strategy.

[@yomama629]

"Arab struggle against imperialism" is rather funny in the context of the Islamic invasions of Europe which lasted a millennium as well as the Barbary slave trade ngl. Not denying that European powers started doing some fucked up shit in the Middle East specifically in the late 19th and early 20th centuries but to erase the massive history of Islamic imperialism because it's inconvenient for your argument is wild

[@ymck7246]

Woke is not when movie shows the horror and pain of imperialism. Woke is not when said imperialism is shown to be linked with capitalism. Woke is not when the militaristic and violent nation id the enemy. Woke is not when a subyugated group of people rises in arms and fights for its freedom. No, acording to right-wingers woke is when: women.

[@Mutazili]

Not all Muslim anti-colonial struggles are Islamic in nature. The Algerian revolution being an example. Most of the revolutionary leaders of that revolution were socialists. Though they identified as Muslims, they fought for freedom and sovereignty, not the Mahdi or for a Sharia inspired type of government.

[@erikdaniels0n]

Dune Part One and Part Two are amazing because the represent blockbuster filmmaking on a truly epic scale that we haven’t seen since the Lord of the Rings movies, not because they aren’t woke 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@friendzone9157]

i am just fucking tired of conservaties using the word woke , without knowing the meaning of it

[@paramountavenue4277]

When I hear the word ‘woke’ my brain automatically flashes to that line from the princess bride: “you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means”

[@pinkleminade]

Yeah me too

[@ThatWolfArrow]

They did the same thing with political correctness, social justice, and critical race theory. And they're trying to do the same thing with DEI (Diversity-Equity-Inclusivity) But they're always whining about the same thing: Minorities = Bad.

[@KrazyKaiser]

It's not just that "they don't know what it means" it's that they *refuse to define it* so then they can use it however they want.

[@witherreactts-mm8ne]

woke basically means gay

[@anmolt3840051]

A movie about desert tribes living in underground tunnels fighting against a gen*cidal imperialist army in 2024? ... What a coincidence

[@NightMoonling]

Makes you wonder if this movie will be allowed to play in Israel.

[@Billpro25]

@@NightMoonling Most likey not.

[@Chris-iq3ym]

So now Paul's holy war is the good side? Make up your minds.

[@_mark_3814]

@@Billpro25 It already premiered in Israel?

[@lokimsjrrd3451]

woke for conservatives just means if there is a black person who is the main character, and Zendaya is biracial

[@Ellthom]

I think its so cute how blind conservatives are, It's like they cannot walk a step without calling something "woke" meanwhile trying so hard to grasp onto something, ANYTHING that they can make their own. lol so precious.

[@Yeeted_Utensil]

Did you see this guy trying to say Cyberpunk is far left? LOL give me a break

[@1MarkKeller]

They can't SEE racism either, yet they can DO racism all day long.

[@52BLUE]

Conservatives probably own the house you live in too :)

[@invalid_420]

​@@Yeeted_Utensil get a job

[@Yeeted_Utensil]

@@invalid_420 Great comeback

[@FortheLoveofMonsters]

if you’re looking for a “woke” sci-fi classic, read Octavia E Butler’s ‘Parable of the Sower’. It’s probably one of the most relevant sci-fi books of this century.

[@yoonahkang7384]

"a female character has personality in a movie..." WOKEEE!!!!

[@livelongandtroll9108]

*REACTIONARIES.ALWAYS.SIDE.WITH.THEIR.AUDIENCES.* That's how both Dune pt 1 and Super Mario Bros went from being woke before released to non-woke or even anti-woke.

[@82Jaster]

It makes me wonder what they're going to do with GTAVI. It's obviously going to be massive with their audience (and everyone else). But all of these reactionaries have already pushed their chips to the middle on calling it woke. In part because Rockstar began removing anti-trans jokes from GTAV and because the co-lead is not only a woman, but a brown one.

[@rat8294]

What ever confirms the narrative they set up I guess

[@Phalanx167]

Spoilers for the movie and books... It's funny seeing little Benji so excited to claim this movie as pro-life because Jessica talks to a sentient Aliya, when her sentience as a fetus is the result of a breach of a major taboo that turns her into essentially an abomination. It's even funnier when put into the context of what the unnatural violation from the water of life to her development leads to her doing in the books. At the very least it produces a whole galaxy that wishes she had been aborted.

[@SnarkyMcCarthy]

I just love how seemingly incapable they are of understanding the wokeness is being communicated through visuals, not in-your-face dialogue.

[@toddmorningstar4206]

"Seemingly"

[@Chris-iq3ym]

not sure how woke it is to make the muslim inspired warrior prophet into the bad guy though? :p

[@JBoxy7]

​@@Chris-iq3ymexactly. Ive seen more people misinterpret that part way more than ben shapiro did. He recognized it was a criticism of religion at least a little even though hes a religious man himself.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

Chani also knows all about Paul's visions of billions dead and so is pissed off when Paul runs headfirst into it. Her reaction is perfect.

[@kerseyHarding]

2 things about this. The first is to look at the director’s other work. Sicario was incredibly critical of how the US is militarizing the US/Mexico boarder and how our current policies will not meaningfully effect change. Violence begets violence and the movie ends with the child of a man murdered by the US looking off in the direction of gunfire, potentially showing how people can become radicalized by senseless violence. Second is that Dune 2 literally glorifies terrorism against the empire. The heroes of the story are the indigenous people committing acts of terror against the Galactic Emperor. It’s not even subtle.

[@christophergreen6595]

"How dare they attack that spice harvester? Don't those Houthis respect international law?"

[@chandllerburse737]

Its spelled Border

[@PhilTheBronxite]

Conservatives trying to be media literate challenge: Impossible

[@Evil_Jyan]

Liberals trying not to steal comments (impossible)

[@toddmorningstar4206]

​@@Evil_JyanLike what?

[@Evil_Jyan]

@@toddmorningstar4206 the comment youre replying to

[@snatchy9837]

Lol, cope you delusional drone

[@rocketGimbal]

@@Evil_Jyan where was the comment stolen from?

[@saml302]

media literacy is important kids

[@user-bi2wn4vn3b]

Paul was always meant to be the biggest representation of euro centric colonialism 💀 conservatives and media literacy never go hand in hand huh

[@illyal1445]

The anti-woke folks are destroying themselves having to churn out constant content. Initially they had some movies that were stupid they could REALLY hold up as woke flops (Lady Ghostbusters) but the problem is there just aren't THAT MANY movies like that coming out to continue to feed that audience. Now in order to keep the constant content coming they have to be forever be on the front lines anticipating and fighting against movies that havn't even been released yet they have pre-judged as "woke". They will deem tons of movies as woke as soon as we see an initial casting or a pre-release interview with an actress. They spent a decent portion of 2023 freaking out over a Disney Princess movie that hasn't even been released yet as "too woke" and "anti-men". Them melting down over a Snow White adaptation and being obsessed with it's young star just came off as really pathetic and desperate. They tried their hand at backlashing the Barbie movie but they came off as clueless, joyless dorks when everyone else was just enjoying it and it was a MASSIVE hit that helped reinvigorate the US box office. They've started to look even more foolish than ever investing all this time talking about movies for little girls as being too woke when they are 35 year old men talking about franchises for pre-teen girls or crying about some movie being woke for content then it comes out and it's just a run of the mill movie for mass audiences.

[@CRSB00]

Even if the creator themselves comes out and says "this is a critique of capitalism" these people will disown the creator and say that they don't know that they're talking about, like what happened with Squid Game

[@Jeffberg42]

Dune is about energy ffs. Dune is also almost entirely about mobility and ecology.

[@schrodingerscat1604]

😂 looks like it went over your head, I wouldn't suppose it's the first time either

[@Jeffberg42]

@schrodingerscat1604 ahhhh the arrogance of youth. Spend ten minutes reading how Herbert lived his life. I have read the entire cannon multiple times over the last 40 years. Founded Post Carbon Toronto and been writing about imperialism in Counterpunch and Coutercurrents for two decades.

[@KoewlBag]

@@schrodingerscat1604to be fair the book does go into excruciating detail regarding the planetary ecology of Arrakis. Definitely not the driving theme of the story but still a huge part of it, especially considering Dune was a huge inspiration to the wave of environmentalism in the 60s/70s

[@taterenforth6433]

This Midnight's Edge guy actually called Chani selfish for leaving a man who they both know is making the choices that will lead to billions of deaths, all while lying to her people. Thats selfish?

[@l0rf]

The Bene Gesserit literally manufactured the entire legend of the Mua'Dib/Liber al Gaib and Shapiro says there's no message here that says Religion is a tool that controls the masses? The entire book series is about walking the golden path at the end of which, humanity will be truly free, including from religion. How can they ignore this so blatantly?

[@noconsent]

My guess is the only thing Ben reads is positive online comments about himself in his curated echo chamber.

[@DullEyes100]

They "like" it because it's successful and popular in a way they can't go against without exposing their grift that much more. Their understanding of the material is irrelevant, if it wasn't successful but just as good, they'd say it went woke and broke and you know it.

[@kj_H65f]

Exactly right

[@Chris-iq3ym]

no one is contesting the success of Barbie, nor denying that it is woke (it has absolutely no nuance, so there's no debate there). The woke successes nowadays are far and few between though

[@Chris-iq3ym]

I also wouldn't consider the Dune movies woke anyway. The enemies are 1) Dune's Saruman version of industrialized oppressors (Tolkien was Christian) and 2) a muslim inspired warrior prophet using crazed warrior to do his bidding. The most woke thing about Dune was the race swapped characters. :)

[@Nemo12417]

Fun fact: in the books, Paul wasn't white. He was light brown. Imagine if they cast actors who looked like they did in the book. Geeks and Gamers: GET WOKE, GO BROKE!!!!!!! So, what was I actually talking about? Matt Walsh: This perfectly demonstrates the savagery of non European cultures, and why they need the civilizing influence of superior white culture to truly be capable of objective human beauty. The Harkonnen's in Dune and the Fire Nation in Avatar the Last Airbender are heroes.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

There is no white people in ATLA.

[@dr.sergeykutzofykock9720]

Ur wrong

[@davidtaylor142]

It doesn't directly say his skin color in the book, but you can definitely read is as him being brown. That's how I thought of him

[@Shockguey]

​@@davidtaylor142 That's not how genetics works.

[@davidtaylor142]

@@Shockguey what? What does this mean

[@wem_iii]

If the movie flopped then it would have been because it was "woke"

[@JCYoung-ni4cy]

The list of thing Ben Sharpio gets wrong would fill all of the Dune books put together.

[@nah....6151]

I thought conservatives hated Timothee Chalamet for marching to his own drum and not being uber-masculine or whatever, I remember Kevin Sorbo went on a tirade against him awhile back for being the posterchild of effeminate men or whatever.

[@clnsr]

Timothee is masculine.

[@knight3672]

Around 15:30 in regards to Chani's worries. I like to sum it up with "todays rebel is tomorrows tyrant."

[@hyderflayer]

8:00 The fremen are even more explicitly islamic in the books - the fremen practice ramadan and eat baklava

[@KSmithwick1989]

Yeah, that's pretty blatant. I'm surprised Frank Herbert didn't have reference to them cooking from tabuns and tagines.

[@Fredric_Cedrich]

Damn. I actually feel sorry for Frank Herbert. Imagine being committed to an anti-government cause & building a whole notion of trusting governments but picking Richard Nixon as your candidate for that. What did Watergate do to him and his ideas? Based for hating Reagan.

[@Sea.Politicalities]

Clearly, The Dune novels are about freedom from control by outside sources, it is a critique of the concept of government and religion. Having read all the Dune books i have come to the firm conclusion that Herbert was an anarchist, that is why he doesn't fit in a box, because anarchists tend not to, that's why galvanizing anarchists is like herding cats. As an anarchist I know how infuriating we can be to work with.

[@lmaololroflcopter]

I think the political stuff in Dune flies under the conservative nerd radar because Denis Villeneuve is very good at subtly folding that stuff into the film’s narrative, whereas if Dune were a Disney property, it would be very clumsy and obvious, and it would be a studio-mandated product as opposed to a film directed by someone with an actual vision.

[@zoeybourke9617]

I mean, these are the same people who think Starship Troopers was serious and not satire, so I don't think that's the case. They simply can't understand what to get mad at unless they're told to get mad at it.

[@Shockguey]

​@@zoeybourke9617 Voerhoven admitted to not finishing the book.

[@angelainamarie9656]

Well, and Ben Shapiro's got a head full of sand let's be honest he's not exactly a competent literary critic.

[@user-oj7uc8tw9r]

I think people crap on Disney films way too much by overreacting to some lgbtq scene that happens for seconds and simultaneously ignoring two men kissing in Dune 2 lol I get Disney movies arent made with Dune 2 level plot quality, but they arent terrible.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

What subtlety? It was a great movie but they were not subtle about Paul's role, and his ultimate destiny.

[@aaronbryant8074]

Can't wait to see what they say if the films reach "God Emperor of Dune" with a main character "transitioning" into a Human - Sandworm hybrid

[@MasterBeast46]

Except Leto actually physically turned himself into a Sandworm. In contrast, getting a fake and non-functional plastic vagina doesn't magically make you a member of the female sex.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

God Emperor of Dune is Frank Herbert being at his most anti-communist.

[@aoeuable]

Alternative take: They do understand but gaslight their audience away from that understanding.

[@DMFTexTex]

The phrase "long live the fighters" is an Algerian revolutionary phrase. The Harkonen's cowardly bombardment is an equivalent to the IDF cowardly bombardment as they always fail everytime their oppressed are able to fight back.

[@y4nush259]

I think its pretty wholesome and cute to see Ben be excited about a clearly leftist movie like a little boy watching star wars for the first time.

[@chadgunner4403]

They'll never be able to enjoy Arcane, it's so over man

[@Metaphysicist]

​@chadgunner4403 Yes they will. Two people can look at the same image and see different things.

[@Metaphysicist]

They won't see it as leftist.

[@alejandramoreno6625]

Like those idiots explaining Sandman to Neil Gaiman.

[@Sinewmire]

​@chadgunner4403 they'll say it's about right wing working class good ol' boys rising up against the woke leftist communist elite in Piltover or more likely they'll say there's no politics, it's just a story, man.

[@babstra55]

in 40 years I never realized before hearing him pronounce muad'dib as "mahdi" how even that's a heavy-handed reference to islam by frank.

[@renatopereira2315]

"Muad'dib" and "Mahdi" are different things. Muad'dib is the name Paul chooses for himself when he is accepted into the Fremen and its the name of the desert rat. "Mahdi" is one of the titles given to the savior of the Fremen in their religion, it means "The Guided One" according to Dune lore.

[@babstra55]

​@@renatopereira2315 no, I mean in islamic eschatology mahdi is the guy who the religious nutters are waiting to come on earth right before world's end and bring jesus. 'the guide'.

[@renatopereira2315]

@@babstra55 not islamic generally but the "Twelvers" who are a subsection of the Shia branch of Islam. They are no more crazy than the christians who believe Jesus will come in the end days.

[@babstra55]

@@renatopereira2315 yup.

[@babstra55]

​@@Anverse-14 millenial factions and cults aren't harmless normal believers, they're the crowd who engages in forced mass-suicides and currently drive the christo-fascist support for palestinian genocide. isis, christian zionists, aum shinrikyo etc.

[@ApexGale]

Hey Kav, Algerian here. Would love to see a video on Islam/Islamophobia. We're really seeing repeats of the Algerian War for Independence in Israel/Palestine right now. Funny that when France brought their complaint to the UN, their allies all eventually turned on them and started abstaining on the debate. But when it comes to their own colonial project they think they're in the right. I'm not saying Hamas is innocent - just like them, Algerians and the FLN also committed war crimes in retaliation for the ones the French committed on them. But they are the oppressed social group. Diplomacy has failed them. The West has exploited them. Dune at its core is a criticism of colonialism. The Atreides family are the "good" colonizers while the Harkonnen are the "bad" ones. What some people fail to realize is that all colonialism is bad, full stop. They are both exploiting a region that they think "belongs" to them because they are part of an autocratic system that takes things they want.

[@Stitchman3875]

I'm sick and tired of people comparing Paul to Luke. If they actually read the books, Paul is actually more like Anakin. But we see Zendaya's character telling Paul who he comes from Dukes, and royalty, while the Fremen are egalitarian I what they do for one, they do for all. Sounds like "To each according to their ability to each according to their need." That sounds like Communism to me. I guess these anti-Woke people, didn't also catch water in the film, and the spice were symbolic of the scarcity of oil. Talk about cognitive dissonance. And given that Frank Herbert wrote the books as a cautionary tale against following heroes and charismatic leaders, I would say that that is anti-authoritarian.

[@dalemsilas8425]

spot on.

[@UNSTABLE111]

Paul is like Anakin but then he becomes almost like Luke was in The Last Jedi ....and oh boy his son Leto II...hes basically a more philosophical Palpatine with ridiculous prescient powers..

[@Stitchman3875]

@@UNSTABLE111 that is true. At least with Paul we see where it all came from. Leto II was pretty insane, i hope they’ll be able to pull it off. God Emperor is my favorite of the series.

[@derpherpblerp]

I feel like conservatives just can't read???

[@chadgunner4403]

The contradiction is the ideology so yes

[@Evil_Jyan]

i can feel the gay energy coming inside of me

[@cardboardking577]

What is this even meant to mean​@@Evil_Jyan

[@felixmoore6781]

I don't know. Do you???

[@NedWasHere94]

“He said the Harkonnens were the Soviet Union… don’t know where he got that idea!” …. Frank Herbert. He got the idea from the author of the book.

[@gigiemma3192]

They probably meant that the movie doesn't change the story, characters, or dialogue just to be "woke." The movies don't hit you over the head with it, and you can enjoy them without feeling like you're being lectured to about politics.

[@Sol-0T-hn5ro]

I think Shatiro went to the wrong theatre and saw the 80s movie.

[@Autumnlindquist2917]

I was thinking after the Harkonenns destroy Sietch Tabr the shot of a kid walking aimlessly through the destruction w blood on his face, really reminded me of some of the photos and videos I’ve seen over the last few months coming out of Palestine and now knowing Denis’s thoughts on it, I can see that was very intentional

[@derekhenriquez5740]

Absolutely

[@kaygee2012]

Yes! The first time I saw the movie that scene triggered a flashback of those pictures and videos from Gaza for me. I wondered if anyone else noticed?

[@Karamazov9]

As someone on the left I thought Dune was highly reactionary, it was basically “there is no escape from systems of oppression if you get rid of your old master you’ll just get a new one”

[@colinwallace3616]

Been waiting for this video, Kav. Thank you sir