Contempt for the Competitive Pokemon Player

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

Le mépris is indeed my favorite Godard film and my favorite Bardot film to boot (but Clouzot's La vérité comes very close). Also I'm told Kendrick has made being a hater cool so the timing feels spectacular

[@miguelsi7543]

Kendrick showed us all we could be doing a much better job at hating

[@Lunar_Atronach]

i mean i think kendrick's point was to be more critical of figures who we see as a constant in life but like, both apply and more people just get the hater part

[@parkinglotmosh4360]

>"this seems like a good note to end this video on" >check runtime >eleven minutes left

[@istokipsy6289]

Classic BKC: "and another thing..."

[@tecul1]

My contempt for the competitive Pokemon Player stems from lead Magneton

[@rottengem]

the horror

[@zaknork9282]

that's why you hit 'em with lead dug, go full ABR on their asses

[@uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh]

but what if i then lead flash porygon

[@dominicpirola8240]

@@uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhthats where u dont run magnet pull on ur lead mag, no scarm is gonna not click spikes

[@brunop.8745]

Who are you, Skarmory?

[@melismati]

Fun fact: that's not what the Dunning-Kruger effect is. Dunning and Kruger showed that in some domains, the more skilled you are, the less you overestimate your skill. But at the same time, the more skilled you are, the more skilled you think you are. There's no anti-correlation.

[@shawverno.1130]

Neat

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

You might need to double check and edit your comment. Did you mean 'the LESS skilled you are, the more skilled you think you are'?

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

You are VERY wrong. Its almost like a sin wave where the more you learn the more confident you are. THEN as people learn more, they become less confident. THEN as they learn even more, they become more confident again

[@binmeal]

​@@PowerfulSkeleton nope! That's what everyone thinks the DK effect is, but the original paper by Dunning and Kruger has something like: people at the bottom in performance think they did okay, people who did okay think they did good, and people at the top think they did great (but they don't think they're at the top). So people who did badly overestimate their ability, people who did the best underestimate it, but not by enough to cancel out their actual difference in ability. (In fact, there's been some question about whether even *that* effect is real or just a statistical artifact. Notice that for example people at the bottom *can't* underestimate their rank, so of course they're going to overestimate it on average)

[@byeguyssry]

Surely you're mistaken, unless as Powerful Skeleton suggests you made a typo. The abstract of the original article, "Unskilled and Unaware of it: How difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments" by Kruger and Dunning, writes in the abstract, "People tend to hold overly favourable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains... Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimatdd their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd... Paradoxically, improving the skills of the participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities". According to David Dunning 12 years later, in "Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, Volume 44", pg. 260, "According to the argument presented here, people with substantial deficiyd in their knowledve or expertise should not be able to recognize those deficits. Despite potentially making error after error, they should tend to think they are doing just fine. In short, those who are incompetent, for lack of a better term, should have little insight into their incompetence - an assertion that has come to be known as the Dunning-Kruger effect". While I cannot find any evidence to show that smart people don't realize how smart they are in the original 1999 paper (but no, I did not read the entire thing), in the 2011 article, Dunning concludes with a story from Plato's "Apology", describing how Socrates refused to believe he was the wisest man despite the Oracle of Delphi saying so, and trying to find a man wiser than him, to no avail, which Dunning concludes by saying Socrated alone recognized his wisdon was trivial next to the gods (but this story MIGHT also imply he thinks that smart people might overestimate themselves). Though again, I of course didn't read the entire article

[@todbot1]

That argument of "Well if you don't like it just ignore it" is one of my biggest gripes anywhere. Problems don't get fixed just because you plug your ears and look away, and sometimes they are things that really need to be called out.

[@Gotonis]

Not even a minute in and already Finch is catching strays

[@justcallmeleonardo]

The comp pokemon community ain't great. I've seen a lot of dumb behaviours while being a part of it. Good players are treated in an especially weird way, either they're made fun of constantly or treated like perfect gods. The good players themselves aren't always helping the toxicity problem tho, I myself have been mistreated by a bunch of them. Like once a very solid up and coming adv ou player randomly told me "Oh excuse me for expecting you to have a brain" in a ladder match. They were winning and I hadn't said a single thing all game. Like, that hurt man and ruined my mood for a good bit. There's another player who similarly treated me in a condescending way (like saying gg on turn 7 of a 30 turn game, very classy) but everyone always talks about them as if they were an angel. Honestly, I don't believe myself to be a part of this community even with all the time I've spent in it because the community just isn't welcoming at all. I will say tho, I have met some nice people and even made a few friends so it's not all bad...but there is a lot that is bad.

[@bounce9568]

I’ve had a very similar experience in a smaller community I was part of. The competitive Pokémon players in that community were largely toxic, in a way I found really discouraging, and I never ended up participating in their stuff. I think a lot of it goes back to the nature of the game as a competitor sport which exists on the internet. But I ended up getting more active and I’ve been trying to foster a healthier, more welcoming scene, which is an initiative I hope more people take. Some of the modern comp KZbinrs like moxie boosted and jimothy cool have a fun attitude which I really enjoy, and I hope the players they introduce to the game carry on this chill attitude.

[@jigawatt7941]

The first guy was a douchebag (especially if they were winning, cause that's not even salt, that's just being a dick) and the second guy you cant get mad at for simply saying "ggs" (if that sets you off, then you are probably/maybe a very sheltered person, or very young). Also the "I don't believe myself to be part of this community" part of what you said sounds kinda cringe, no offense dude, you should just play the game, you shouldn't "want to be apart of a community" imo, and you if find and interact with cool people, then cool, and if you don't then that's fine, people don't act "to represent a community", thats internet brainrot, people act how they want to act, whether that may be good or bad is up to you. I do agree with a lot of people are cancer, that's why i (and maybe you should probably do) play with the "ignore opponent" option most of the time on the ladder. It also doesn't help when bad behavior doesn't get punished enough when you report rude people. Also when people like Blunder/Aim make ladder videos and scrub-quote alot, shit on their opponents, calls them lucky, always complain about hax (when the hax is fairly probable [ like why are you complaining about hax when you are PLAYING POKEMON ] ), kind of foster braindead people acting like this, and i like the vids and what they do for comp mons, but man can they be insufferable sometimes. Like you can be salty, but it has to make sense, for example- Im last mon vs last mon in one game i played, and there was a 50/50-ish chance of the strongest move killing and i won it, then i said ggs it was a 50/50, then the guy talked shit to me and said i was very lucky, like WHAT?! my brother, it was one 50/50, that's neither lucky nor unlucky, ITS A 50/50! And it was in MY FAVOR cause i was FASTER and attacked first, like why are you even salty, ITS A 50/50!!! This is what we call, a scrubquote. My mood was ruined for an actual good game. Small rant at the end, hope you didn't take to much offense to what i said but, its amazing how a game that's based on math, probability, and risk reward, people can't think logically, win or lose.

[@divinelathe]

​@jigawatt7941 its not 'cringe' to feel sad about not feeling like youre part of the community. there is a broader community here & its not at all unusual to desire a sense of belonging. people can want something more out of the things they put a lot of time into.

[@justcallmeleonardo]

@@divinelathe Think I missed the comment you responded to as it's not showing up for me. It's probably for the best lol

[@beniamino.anonimo]

I'm almost 40, I don't talk to idiots anymore. I think 10 years from now you will spend next to no time talking to idiots, you've got that respect-for-time kind of intolerance that will keep you from squandering precious time on acts of futility.

[@drpotato5381]

i admire you for still enjoying comp pokemon :3

[@Ocarinist_Drew]

"It actually IS that deep, bro!" -TotallyNotMark

[@DGFTardin]

8:17 "an explanation is not a justification" is a concept that *should* be obvious to everyone, yet it isn't somehow

[@beniamino.anonimo]

Some people likely think of you as pretentious, but that's borne out of a hatred of wisdom more than anything else. I appreciate your insights on pokemon and your movie knowledge and everything else. I'm 4 minutes in, I agree. I can't cry anymore except while watching movies. If the ending of Terminator 2 doesn't make you well up then you were probably sent by Skynet.

[@amberhernandez]

The entire Terminator franchise should draw tears from everyone who watches them. The first two films because of genuine emotional response, and everything else because of how _awful_ it is sitting through them.

[@beniamino.anonimo]

@@amberhernandez My brow was furrowed for a moment there hahaha. Couldn't agree more! The first two are masterpieces. No Interest in the others. I walked out of the cinemas during the premiere of T3. It was a while ago now but I am almost certain it was because I had seen The Terminator (Arnie) wearing love-heart glasses. I did not need to see any more to know that there was nothing of importance that I'd miss. To a much lesser extent but still applicable: RoboCop 1 & 2! RoboCop 2 gets such a bad wrap, for reasons that BKC covers nicely in this video actually. I watch it today and can see that it was a brilliant portent of the PC culture that was to come, as well as being just a badass flick all round. Haven't even seen number 3 or any of the others, if there are any (think they made a remake....?)

[@smergthedargon8974]

If you want something that just might squeeze an emotional reaction out of you, try the game Golden Treasure: The Great Green. That game's a religious experience disguised as a dragon visual novel-RPG.

[@ruthiehenshallfan99]

Absolutely love the use of the Godard film as the thumbnail!

[@jaredbradley4328]

Would be extremely interested in hearing your take on who the GOAT competitive pokemon is! I think it’s gotta be one of Zapdos, Tyranitar, or Gliscor

[@Lucawee]

zapdos has been great for every gen unlike ttar, gliscor is racist

[@leaflotus6726]

​@@Lucawee true story

[@Burger_King_Crown_Rob]

starmie

[@Ryan-lh1np]

If we only include tiers after it was added I think it's Lando, but I'd defo go zapdos otherwise

[@B463L]

T-tar for me but I'm extremely biased. Been my favorite mon since I first played Pokémon Silver as a child

[@catandfishfc]

I recently got a "bg" after beating a trophied player in a Bo3. That is why I love to play this game! Let the salt flow!

[@handoverthestromboli6715]

joining a tournament with your limited free time on earth to play a fellow homo sapien sapien you could become friends with and instead hitting them with a "bg" to an audience of 0 people is absolutely crazy go to jail

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Everyone needs a Salt Cure.

[@duckdefender8655]

Wow, a bg, such salt 😂

[@echo5172]

Personally I prefer dropping the ‘gn’ after making several disastrous misplays

[@mewd138]

Handful of comments doing their best to be insufferable. I get the contempt, I see it a lot in the Smash scene. I think this sentiment can apply to competitive gamers (perhaps all gaming scenes) in general. I appreciate you making a video about this topic, sometimes I feel like I'm yelling into to the void with pretty similar complaints so it's nice to see that someone else put these feelings into words.

[@arkelon]

Enjoying a BKC video on mute would be like taking a blind man to a silent film

[@someone-cs1ix]

I think a lot of this is because of the anonymity and the fact that there are no real consequences for their actions. Obviously you wouldn't say the kinds of things people do on smogon in real life, but on smogon no one holds you accountable. The same thing happens in the geometry dash community, which is kinda niche but probably less so than competitive pokemon, where people just talk shit about whatever they feel like because there's no accountability. Also the beginning of the last replay reminded me of that one oras replay where lopunny kicks goes absolutely stupid with mega mawile and gets like 8 turns right in a row

[@showsister69]

The reality is people don't like confrontation which is why nobody who says stuff like this actually confronts abrasive people irl. Keep living in your fantasy world lmao

[@Tiamat768]

I feel like the underlying problem with this issue as well as society in general is the fact that people are just really poor at expressing themselves. The sheer amount perceptions and preconceived notions that filter and subsequently warp our words make it a miracle that anyone can claim to understand anyone else at all. In regards to Pokemon in particular, I feel like a large portion of the toxic behavior stems from a sense of frustration. Frustration that is exacerbated by the nature of the game itself. A game where "you can do everything right and still lose" is bound to ruffle a few feathers. Especially when the reason for losing can very well be something that is out of your(or your opponent's for that matter) control. Much like a car with no muffler, this frustration tends to be expressed in the form of gratingly loud noise and noxious fumes. Of course, that doesn't excuse the behavior. After all, if you've been playing the game for a while and still haven't come to terms with it's nature then that's just reflective on you as a person. In short: 1. It's easier to talk _at_ people than to talk _to_ people. 2. Everyone should have sent a poet.

[@AndrewRKenny]

We don't usually see perfectly eye-to-eye on things but that's part of why I enjoy your videos. They're solidly comprehensively articulated opinions on things that I care about and think are interesting, and help me develop my own beliefs alongside of them. I really enjoyed this video, even though I think the framing obfuscates the core points a bit, since this is more of a recital of your personal values than anything that's specific to Showdown players (even though it is centred around that specific demographic). Just wanna respond to a few of your points as briefly as I can (spoiler: they are not brief). ~2:40 "If you don't like it why don't you just ignore it." I super agree, very annoying sentiment. If people didn't speak up when they didn't like something then the status quo would continue forever unimpeded and unbeholden to the voices of its detractors. There are reasons to keep quiet, but "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" is very relevant here. ~3:00 explaining things to adults that children understand Honestly well-put, never thought of it this way but the sobering and sad realization that "everybody gets older, but not everybody grows up" is indeed frustrating and disappointing a lot of the time, and I like your framing of it here. ~4:25 judging people based on perceptions There is a great quote from a K-pop group reflecting on seven years together where one member basically says (loosely translated from Korean): "I think we don't know each other well because we think we know each other. 'She's like that, she's like this. That's why.' We just assume. I'm sure there must have been a reason, but we don't ask about it. We don't ask each other 'Is that why?' We just assume, 'There should be a reason.' But it's a bit disappointing." Paraphrased, it's about how once we get to know somebody well enough we believe more in the idea of who we think they are than judge them based on what they actually do, and that at some point we stop putting in the effort to understand them better because we're so comfortable falling back on our established perception of them. I found it pretty profound and interesting. ~9:35 results-based thinking Yeah, especially in something with as much left to chance Pokémon it's extremely silly IMO. I'm 3-0 in Smogon Masters II right now but I've only played one match; I got a bye and then an activity win. I barely beat my opponent with some lucky paralyses. One game was a 6-0 because he had terrible paralysis luck. I didn't necessarily do anything wrong but it's not really a display of my skill to go through the motions of a hopeless game for my opponent. Only looking at the results to judge players is very silly IMO, and when they have enough results, it's very silly to judge them based on their outlier performances as well. ~11:20 "wanting the right to be an asshole" So real. Something I've taken with me is that it's much easier to be correct than it is to get other people to agree with you, and that intelligence, knowledge, etc. are morally agnostic. I think the way people behave when they are correct or have the upper hand is very revealing of character. ~16:00 appeal to authority Yeah this is cringe. It's a named fallacy for a reason unfortunately. ~20:55 "Why are you taking it so seriously it's just a game (for kids)?" Always hated this argument about anything. I dunno, I want people to acknowledge a each other's feelings and respond to those. People really say a lot about their emotional maturity with statements like this. It's a very insidious form of ad hominem. Just a total non-argument, and if people aren't going to make arguments the more sinister part of me would appreciate if they would at least be more original. ~24:15 celebrating yourself vs. insulting your opponent (context: sportsmanship) Personally I think that something important in smack talk is that there has to be a mutual agreement that it's smack talk. This is never explicit because that's just not how culture works, but a lot of people for a myriad of reasons seem to misread the room when it comes to talking smack IMO. If one person doesn't mutually agree, then it's just being mean, intended or not. If you're not really confident that they mutually acknowledge the smack talk, celebrating yourself is always the safer default. Speaking for myself, I don't mind some competitors being arrogant and rude as long as the people they're directing it at can take the heat and that if it's causing larger scale problems they recognize that they're a cause and tone it down. I take this with me always though, cheer for yourself/your friends, don't put down your opponent(s). ~28:15 responding to shame I dislike shaming people, but I think "shaming somebody" and "making them feel shame" is different. I don't really see a point in deliberately shaming people for the most part because IMO people don't feel shame unless they perceive it to mostly be circumstantial. If I go out of my way to make somebody feel ashamed, it's more likely that they will get defensive because of a perceived attack against them than feel shame, which is a more internalized and self-directed emotion IMO. But if my reaction causes them to reflect and feel ashamed, then I think that has a lot more potential to change minds. It sounds more like you're talking about being humbled or experiencing retribution of some sort to me. I think that can be effective too, I just don't view it as shame. Different POVs. ~29:00 outsourcing your prep (teambuilding, scouting, etc.) You're fighting a losing battle here and for good reason IMO. If you ask me, rules reveal the values of competition more than any community sentiment can, because rules dictate what can and can't be done in competition. As it stands there are rules against ghosting, but there are no rules against building your own teams, doing your own scouting, etc. It's the difference between a strong competitor (gameplay and results within the rules of competition) and an impressive competitor (things they do that are impressive beyond their gameplay and results). It would be very impressive for a professional tennis player to build their own racquets, but it has no bearing on how strong of a competitor I view them to be. It's not part of the rules that you have to build your own racquets, but it's impressive to develop those skills for yourself since they're outside the jurisdiction of what the competition is attempting to measure. I feel similarly about teambuilding and battling. That being said, you can want the rules to change, and the rules should be critiqued constantly, since they represent what a competition values. If there were no rules against battery against your opponents in basketball then the game would quickly develop into beating your opponents into submission and dunking on their unconscious bodies. It would become street fighting with hooping as a victory lap. Luckily there are rules against it, because how well you fight shouldn't matter in the game of basketball, people concluded. I'm not sure if you want there to be rules about this, and even if so, enforcing them sounds like a nightmare (that's another part of what makes a good rule-it can be reliably enforced). But it also sounds like you don't feel like the recognition they stand to gain for being an "impressive competitor" is enough. Unfortunately you'll probably just be bitter about this forever lol. My condolences. ~31:15 contradictions, and why they're not Great point. Another example of "looking at the gameplay and not the results", to return to that framework. Okay. Study break over. Thanks for the video.

[@iantaakalla8180]

At least for 20:55: Not only is “why are you taking this kid’s game so seriously” an ad hominem, but honestly who else would be able to treat various luck-based losses as “just part of the game” all the time, especially in Pokémon? I mean, people that seriously battle in Pokemon and have that attitude can exist, but the element of luck is the most infuriating part of Pokemon. It certainly is not the person who uses the attack “why are you taking the kid’s game so seriously” unless they are a troll who enjoys using paraflinch Jirachi and Shaymin-Sky.

[@shmel0die]

my contempt for the competitive pokemon player will never equal my contempt for a celtics fan

[@fogwzu]

Man, I really be catching strays for no reason.

[@swisherrrr]

cook 😂

[@nxxdle_]

No Larry?

[@AndrewRKenny]

This was a quick turnaround from the quick comment from special offense video lmao.

[@hodanisbased4980]

17:40 My Choice Band HP Fighting Magneton will make quick work of your scrawny Skarmbliss core

[@Miss-Alexis]

I think the reason it's so common for people to be upset after getting called out for being toxic is, they think the toxicity is normal. People tend to act in the way they think is socially acceptable, NORMAL, rather than what they think is right. To them, being called out means they're being singled out and criticized for behavior they thought was normal, acceptable. Maybe they saw other people acting this way without consequences, so they thought it was okay for them to do it too. This is why calling out bad behavior is important; we can't let this be normal. It doesn't have to be.

[@nonifuji1566]

Unfortunately, these scum are really skilled at playing the Uno Reverse Card and making the group believe you're the one being toxic for calling it out. Especially if they're all complacent

[@shawverno.1130]

I had a very frustrating conversation with someone yesterday that had surprising relevance to the general ideas you talked about, so it was pretty *cathartic* watch

[@guiguipop3658]

Hey thanks for mentioning that punk group (The Dicks) it’s a great discovery for me. Please share more punk music!

[@chrisdrums1910]

Yes. The hating Arc is here

[@braedenwinstead1984]

Bkc has been a professional hater for years (with love)

[@dream_weaver6207]

So-called "free thinkers" the second Theliniarcurve makes a post

[@Eroil]

25:30 I agree with CL personally, I don't think the person is "getting away" with anything. If they're doing stuff like this it will hurt them even if not directly

[@Eroil]

I can definitely see where you're coming from though. But the emotion of shame isn't ideal as a tool for learning imo

[@inioszi3053]

I really loved the vid, hearing more savage things would be even better, man I so miss creative and destructive insults

[@amberhernandez]

The higher your notoriety climbs, the more people treat you like a kicker. Success becomes your job, and failure at your job is met with endless ridicule. Nobody deserves to be treated like a kicker.

[@nostylenograce]

i love these topics and i like hearing your thoughts on stuff like this

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Did the linear curve also say that Snorlax is viable in ADV?

[@meannush7552]

3:45 Here, I learned something new today

[@Swaxeman]

As someone who primarily engages in pokemon via playing the tcg nowadays, i feel really bad for smogon guys. Yall have yourselves to blame for this, while we can target all our anger at TPCI FOR NOT FUCKING BANNING DUSKNOIR YET THAT CARD IS SO FUCKING AWFUL

[@whitejacket9725]

Yeah the haters suck, fuck em. But you know what I really don't understand? Some of the characterization in Mean Streets. In many ways I feel there's a strong connection between it and Taxi Driver - where I feel like Scorsese really finds his footing. It recycles a large part of the De Niro character in both, also shoutouts to Harvey Keitel. I'm probably not the first person to say this, but De Niro basically reprises the same role when he plays Travis Bickle. I didn't dislike the movie, but it's not my favorite Scorsese. I can see the beginnings of him finding his footing and then use ideas like color to represent sin, good and evil, in later films. It's a bit less subtle in this one, but it becomes a long ranging motif I've noticed in several of his films. It's also nice to see so many of the same actors, including the Carradine brothers, that would go on to be in many mob movies.

[@azeria1]

Awe and contempt

[@nezumiku6641]

i don't think people respond to shame

[@BladeRabbit]

another BKC hot take

[@elitefourant]

I’d assume that your audience is a bunch of guys who have been playing for 10+ years but do you guys remember how bad like 4/5 of the player base was 10 years ago 😭😭😭

[@ryan_ford522]

So real Especially the ppl that turn on someone great at something as soon as they do poorly like once or twice 11:40 - yep those people that cry after getting called out or receive consequences for their shitty actions

[@runeheal]

13 minutes in and I gotta say, not really all that coherent. 26 minutes in and you've made it more clear. Well, perhaps some of the shame that is felt by some is lacking in the kind that continue to act like children. I do find it funny when it's slightly tongue in cheek, the dichotomy between "ABR is trash" when he's losing, into "ABR is the goat, he's so back" when he CM's on a protect etc in the space of a turn or two. That said, I am curious on your thoughts on how you differentiate between teambuilding and prepping for 6 mons versus teambuilding and prepping for a player. Two players, using the exact same team, could have wildly different lines of play. To use one of your earlier examples, the Heatran v Ferrothorn. If someone were to study their opponents decision making, and have someone build them a team, versus someone who builds a team themselves, and is just told that the opponent always clicks fire move on ferrothorn, well, which one do you consider more authentic?

[@orbital1950]

BKC can i drop a draco?

[@X0v3r]

bkc I luv u!! do u think u can make a video on gen 8 ou in any capacity 👀

[@EggscellentTree]

He hates boots more than he hates gen 5 xD (he put gen 8 and 9 below gen 5 in his OU ranked video because of boots)

[@itsasecrettoevery1]

is that phonk

[@azuremoon4372]

The thing about Hacks is you should have put yourself in a position you didn't have to deal with that no

[@emptywisdoms]

half of the game is just teambuilding

[@Burger_King_Crown_Rob]

thelinearcurve = best ADV player of all time

[@srfrancium9728]

Shame rage spiral. People get angry, get shame for being a douche, can't deal with it and get angry that they can't. Repeat infinite

[@NN-oz6rr]

I once got full para'd 5 times in a row. Very competitive. Very legit.

[@jiankaifeng9164]

What can I say, this is the Mickey Mouse Club House-type game we both chose to play

[@azuremoon4372]

That's the game

[@noivern1380]

I twice got fuller para’d 6 times in a row.

[@amberhernandez]

I would simply not react.

[@xsision5513]

Contempt for the casual Pokemon player (joke video incoming)

[@JoKad17]

BKC sometimes feels like one of those warrior-poet-philosopher-mathematicians from like, Islamic or Japanese folklore.

[@roysherwin9348]

@BKCplaysPokemon Sun team building in BW OU please!!

[@telacrap]

she advance on my game boy until i ou

[@h.w.s.4591]

I wish this was scripted, or at least you prepared your thoughts on paper beforehand. It was hard to follow at times

[@smit_sumitzu]

i had so much respect for Big Kevin C but now he's washed...........

[@nSenuh]

BKC

[@SolaFideSolusChristus]

Dog what the fuck is the thumbnail how many people do you think are gonna get the Jean Luc Godard reference lmao

[@eightcoins4401]

For the love of god, script your videos and properly edit the script. It takes more than 10 minutes to get to the actual point.

[@theMOCmaster]

This one is just QQ about ‘bullies’ lol

[@neverlikedunown]

BKC, my dear, embracing a random value is not an abandonment of consistency. I agree that the way people talk about others is toxic, but being the better player doesn't mean they'll win. And that's the best part!.

[@LotusTheWise]

correcting yourself on the "guy" -> "person" was actually really cool, i really apretiate the effort :3

[@aqualucasYT]

Guy is gender neutral relax

[@king_slimy8859]

Touch grass

[@d3ia]

​@@aqualucasYT Are you a straight male? If so, would you say you have sex with guys then? I used to think similarly to you until I had it explained to me like that. Although some people use it in a gender neutral sense, the connotation most have when using the word is of a man. You don't feel the disconnect of guy being used because it doesn't apply to you since you are a guy, I assume.

[@scoutbane1651]

@@king_slimy8859 Snowflake

[@tehy123]

It has a slight connotation of being a man, which obviously stands out in certain contexts (having sex) and is toned down in certain contexts (talking about someone else). Correcting yourself about it is dumb and not worth it

[@dav5oly]

Bkc could never last in a mw2 lobby

[@jasty2372]

22:53 theres this thing called editing you might want to try it. Talk about wasting peoples time lmao. Also you took like 15 minutes to get to your actual point in the first place

[@Jolene007]

That’s the fun of BKC’s videos, we like hearing him rant

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

my goal is to waste as much of the viewer's time as possible which explains both your qualms

[@divinelathe]

if the video isnt for you, then it isnt for you. just move on & go do something more enjoyable rather than try to bring people down. genuinely, you will feel better & more fulfilled :>

[@danielbaumgartner572]

K

[@duckdefender8655]

Toxicity is bad and all, but people kill each other for no reason IRL. Why would the expectation for the online world be any different?

[@iantaakalla8180]

I suppose the idea is that it is a separate world from the real world, but the online world is populated by humans who generally do not care and would turn on each other in the current conditions, so in one point of view, yeah, it is stupid to assume humans will be any better in any circumstance that gives leeway and a sense of power. On the other hand, it is also stupid to expect people to suffer injustices forever, and that includes background toxicity people do accept.

[@galaxian23]

unga bunga hahahah get owned

[@mogaku776]

Bkc overestimating neurotypicals thinking this video will do much methinks

[@BingusTingus-ls4mf]

A characterization of yourself as seperate from the masses of inferior neurotypicals forever doomed to be awful by their mental characteristic isn't helpful, even if it might spring from unfortunate experiences that many neurodivergent people currently suffer from. We all have more connecting us then what makes us different. Neurodivergent people aren't exempt from shit talk, ideas of domination and putting people down. This is not part of the argument but we are talking about competitive Pokémon here, a community no doubt full with neurodivergence lol. These are social additudes, ones that we are all effected by and have likely been perpetrator of, they have already changed for the better and i believe we can further improve them still :-)

[@mogaku776]

@@BingusTingus-ls4mf I do agree that none is immune to anything but what I am doing does have an angle for improvement, even if sort of unachievable. That being the treatment of common neurotypical delusions through therapy as if it were a disorder, the shape this would take would just be an improved education system really, but I do consider the tendency for the neurotypical mind to settle for fallacious ways of thought to be way above of that of autists. It's like saying that anger issues aren't real because everyone gets angry sometimes.

[@BingusTingus-ls4mf]

@@mogaku776 I consider this to be exactly the problem. Your idea of flipping older believes of Neurodivergent inferiority on its head by applying them to those considered Neurotypical and institutionalizing them instead is terrible. There are no superior people by nature of how they experience certain things. There is no sickness to remove or to eliminate, only a spectrum in which humans differ in all sorts of ways, some we currently consider a diagnosis, Autism, adhd, add, ocd, borderline et cetera, and other behavior in which we don't diagnose. Inside of specific diagnosed conditions we differ ever more, high functioning, low functioning, different people with the same diagnosis but vastly different behaviors and experiences. Ideas aren't just based on the reasoning used to think of and present them. People have to find axiomatic values that are used to ground what principles they care for. Without these axiomatic values that we ground our ideas on there wouldn't be a reason for engaging eachother in politics. Value must exist before argument takes place, and ideas can be perfectly logically consistent but fail to be useful in benefitting largely agreed upom axioms. Someone could say that Parkour is cool, that all problems should be solved by Parkour because those with Parkour skills deserve more authority in society. This is a totally logically consistent belief that is very much not fulfilling most peoples axiomatic values, therfore it is useless. I say all this because i am uninterested in discussing the claim that Neurotypical people are more likely to think in fallicies. I don't currently know if this is true and you haven't provided a reason for the assertion, which made going into axioms and logically consistent thinking the best way to respond to the claim i think.

[@mogaku776]

@BingusTingus-ls4mf It's funny how you say that politics wouldn't be worth engaging with like that when it is the very fact that neurotypicals don't go beyond what they are told/their intuition when considering them, rendering democracy almost unviable even if it is the best thing we have. It is an objectively proven thing that high functioning autists are both resilient to influence and more adept at long term thinking, which includes politics, be it pokemon or not, I'm not sure why you'd ask me to prove this, but still: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10291371/

[@mogaku776]

It's this very axionomatic way of thinking that causes so many problems from organized religion to "stall suckz". The subjective within all of us should always take a backseat when trying to shape society.

[@swagcat51]

i’m 13 and this is deep 😮😮 a ‘mature’ person wouldn’t make this kind of video btw your insecurities are very loud.

[@CharaTF2]

FACT: mature people aren't allowed to dislike rampant toxicity, after all, maturity means having no emotions

[@swagcat51]

@@CharaTF2 smartest tf2 player

[@BingusTingus-ls4mf]

Hey Swagcat can we pet eachother again, Cat to Cat, Swag to Bingus. I know we get irritable sometimes but i think it'll make everything feel much better UwU. I even caught a Squirrel we can eat, its real yummy. You can choose which part you wanna have, i have no preference so you can get the best part Swag, and then i have something to thell you, a great big plan for adventure OwO