Content Creators Respond to 100 Thieves Allegations | Nadeshot vs Froste Reaction

Content creators discuss the 100 Thieves vs. Froste controversy.
/ ludwigahgren
/ penguinz0
/ 100thieves
/ mizkif
/ atrioc
Twitch.tv/HasanAbi
Twitch.tv/xQc
Twitch.tv/Nadeshot
#100thieves #reacts #compilation

[@iamdnorth]

The format that you stitched all of this together was very well-done! It was a fluid stream of thought almost as if it was one streamer, I can tell you put a lot of work into this. You got a quick subscribe from me :)

[@diwataluna]

Agree, great editing to make a cohesive breakdown of reactions to the different points in Nadeshot's response

[@elijahsutherlin5280]

VEry true

[@CFear]

I agree effort were put into this great edit

[@TheMikester9]

Yeah this editing was really really quality, definitely will subscribe for more recaps of news and drama like this. I haven't seen anyone else edit like this.

[@wickedox7217]

+1 and in agreement

[@FreddRob99]

Miz looked personally attacked, OTK probably taking more than 30%

[@J0dy0001]

from who they all have stakes in it

[@wyattalexander4041]

Lolololok

[@CantBeatKarmaZ]

otk definitely taking 65%

[@raulcast9933]

Oh yeah 100%

[@wyattalexander4041]

@@J0dy0001 😉

[@Idranim]

Atrioc made it into a drama recap he’s finally made it in the big time

[@khaliiii699]

Same thoughts 🤣 proud of my guy

[@AMMARvx]

ong proud of him!!

[@dannyn6036]

Big A is coming for Mr Beast and no one will be able to stop him

[@lamosos]

The time isn't even that big anymore.

[@swampgurt]

Proud of Big A frfr

[@lamiana]

The editing on this is superb. So simple, but it clearly conveys the facts/opinions of so many streamers into one conclusive video. Well done

[@tobiasbuhl2037]

xqc could knock off the monthly average froste did streaming in like a couple of days, froste job was streaming and content creation for 100t yet made no content..

[@TheDeathLove]

Days? Prolly in just one stream

[@timcrook5569]

@@TheDeathLove EL GOBLINO MODE

[@jaredc5169]

I don't watch XQC but the amount of work he puts in streaming is insane it's no wonder he is the top streamer.

[@TDC_RAW]

froste streamed about 1,050 hours over the two years that he was signed with 100t lmao, just lazy asf when ur handed a 66k/year to stream

[@morehoops]

@@TDC_RAW Fr? That's not even 2 hours a day

[@olivernewton8584]

Frost got 64k a year from 100thieves with the added sponsor money, most likely over 100k. Froste also said he could stream and get 2k a month (24k+ a year) but he felt it wasn't enough. He also fumbled the 12k elgato deal because he said it wasn't enough. 36k + extra a year. He then moaned about not getting enough money like an entitled baby. The guy wanted everything handed to him with minimal effort on his end

[@johnsmith4187]

Your missing his twitch earnings # streamer: earning (USD) 1860. Froste : $109,481.03 He work for 2 years for 100thieves so it was $120k.

[@CantCookForLife]

Not to mention Froste streamed 40 hours a month.

[@yeelenglee1826]

so basically he wanted the big boy treatment when most people didn't know him until he started appearing on 100t vid?

[@Justb99xbox]

shit ass work ethic he had. Dude was given a golden opportunity and did nothing with it.

[@johnsmith4187]

@@Justb99xbox People are so delusional. In what reality, do you get paid 60k starting salary 0 work history and only have to work 9 hours per week whenever you want.

[@WilliamCox95]

I love how no one is pointing out that those Sponsorship deals 100T got the mob had obligations that the mob fell short on and weren't out right doing. Basically forced 100T to do them. Like the kids were handed the key to their futures and they dropped the ball big time.

[@markkelso871]

these streamers have a tiny bit of experience in brand deals so they assume everything is like how it is with them... but it wasn't. Moist/ludwig were talking out of their ass about the sponsorship percentage. Its an org deal that gets handed down to them. It's not their sponsorship... its the orgs that they GET to do the activation for. It's not like an agency getting YOU a deal... the agency got 100T the deal. I don't understand how hard it is to understand this. Imagine signing a 60k contract at 200 concurrent viewers and think you got taken advantage of that you ONLY got 30k from ONE SPONSOR.

[@carterrrsan5614]

@@markkelso871 I'm not defending Froste here but how does the agency bring the deal to 100T if the MOB were the ones to fulfil the sponsorship requirements? wouldn't 100T do the deal themselves like how they did with TRULY or something?

[@DaydreamerGirl95]

@@carterrrsan5614 probably the brands approach 100T to have some of their creators to do a brand deal on their personal channels/streams rather than the 100T org channel

[@markkelso871]

@@carterrrsan5614 100t is a content org they get their creators to do the activations. The creators for all intents and purposes "are" 100t. The streamer getting 15% (at that size for that amount of a deal) is just the only possible way to justify those deals and even then they're still bad deals from a business pov for 100t.

[@theAlex2577]

@@markkelso871 how is it a bad business deal ? i do agree that 30k for their audience reach is fair cause thats probably the maximum they could get without a middle man, but clearly 100t is profitting aswell, if the deal got handed down to the mob clearly the other members on the roster didnt want to do it, so they simply would have lost out on that brand money all together

[@2012BigPete]

The way I understood it was the mob was paid a $2500 monthly living stipend plus a $2500 monthly salary. Whatever money they made from streaming was theirs to keep. They chose to live in a 10k a month house and Froste chose not to stream. 100T was losing money on his ass. Hell, the 85% probably went straight back to pay their living stipend.

[@nils1953]

Yea, how is 85% not fair? Thats how they make back their salaries. That's their job no?

[@PicassosCat]

@@nils1953 I'd say that was because the context given at the time. 85% normally is a red flag and in an industry where companies tries to and successfully had squeeze as much off someone and leave them to rot, you have to be wary of those shady practices so I think they said that with the understanding of that.

[@PicassosCat]

@@nils1953 also, if a company comes to you, an influencer and propose deal based on your image and sell out some brand deals. I think it's fair to ask for 80% of the profit because if you're an influencer, your image is all you have. That said, I do think Froste is a dummy based on what I've heard. He's basically a teenager. He has more than most would and had use to succeed but instead he makes all the bad decisions. Then again I'm still just a bystander. Edit: and seeing the contract, I can see myself as a teenager blaming that for oppressing me from doing anything because it's demotivating, cause it kind of is. And missing the fact that it's 40% or more of a really big pile of money

[@nils1953]

@@PicassosCat am I missing something? If I work for a company and they pay me X amount, in no sane world would I be mad that I didn't also get additional commission for the work I did. I deliver work and get paid accordingly. if my contact states I get 15% commission, great. So if you are a steamer, you get paid 2.5k a month to fulfill your sponsorship duties once a month or whatever and on top get a commission and are free to earn/stream money on your own for the rest of the time, that's a good deal, no? What else would or even could 100T get out of this partnership?

[@NocNurse]

Exactly. I have no issue with them taking 85%. Which it sounds was only 1 of the 3 large sponsorships they got. They got 65% of the other 2. Plus all their KZbin channel and twitch earnings?! And a bit more cash outta sponsorships?! Sign me up. They didn't work while there. That's on them

[@user-tj5yg5pk8v]

This is a far more efficient way to watch than watching each VOD individually

[@axelhollenberger5051]

if u ever done that u need help

[@GLlama303]

​@@axelhollenberger5051Literally 😂

[@Hidea98]

Complete speculation, but Nadeshot said he had to fight to get The Mob signed. I'm going to throw out that the 85% cut from sponsorship deals given to The Mob by 100T was what it took for others to agree to sign The Mob. The Mob had practically no value before 100T and were a bad investment if signed normally, so Nadeshot had to propose a 'bad' deal to get any deal at all for them. Nade also says that they didn't even take the 85% cut on some of the sponsorships as that number was what was allowed by contract. Edit: Also 100T took no % from their stream or video revenue which is big.

[@NotRJ001]

Ok...WTF is The Mob? Is it a group?

[@Smonsequenses]

You can speculate the other way just as easily. I mean just put it together, 100T already has inventory of brand deals and needs to get them somewhere, they don't really care if the streams are succesful or not, the deal is just someone who streams with their brand does the sponsorship. They get some young naive guys, sign them a contract where they take 85% and then give them some sponsors they already had laying around. Quick 35% on 200k. People make it seem like they work 24/7 to scramble some sponsorship deal together while they probably have more in their inbox than they can respond too. I don't doubt they also want to grow talent, but the very fact that they wrote in 85% as a possibility just screams they're looking to squeeze as much out as they can as their first priority. (The fact that they didn't do that in the end doesn't make it less of a red flag) Why would you speculate in favor of a company? Makes no sense imo. Idk why you would take something like 'I had to fight for them' more serious from a CEO than what the numbers in the contract imply.

[@adenramsook5397]

and also these werent like sponsorships they got on their own they got it because of 100T

[@BlackCatTheOtaku]

@@Smonsequenses I bet you are just as lazy and cry for no pay at ur job. The way I see it it's a win win for the mob unless 100t gets cuts on sponsors the mob gets themselves... But then again with the work rate they had...

[@chaosplayer9903]

@@Smonsequenses you're completely clueless on the business side of the deal being taken. The risks, the investments, you understand none of it.

[@tommccarthy3279]

They keep comparing 100t to an agent, they are not an agent they were the Mobs employer. That’s way different. They paid them a salary and brought them sponsorships, the sponsors wanted to work with 100T. Froste even admitted they did a half ass job with one of the sponsors. Simple fact is Froste didn’t do any work 40 hrs a month streaming is crap, most normal ppl work over 40 hrs a week

[@bannedfromtv2102]

yeah, they're not independent contractors

[@anthonyphillips9151]

Agree i feel that a lot of creators looked over that part especially since nadeshot specifically said that was only for the sponsors that 100 thieves brought in not the creators own sponsors so charlie saying it is the creator who is attracting those deals it was false, then you have the fact that it was only 3 deals that it applied to so its hard to view that as crazy as they are making it out to be

[@zerohours.]

We only take 85%

[@johnsmith4187]

Bro to make it even simpler its 9 hours per week and he has full autonomy to stream whenever. What job does that.

[@Thousand00]

@@johnsmith4187 9 hours per week. Is that even a job? Even a school day sometimes last longer than that.

[@Spaz12ism]

Apparently the 100T production team showed up to the mob house to do scheduled filming, and the place was a pig sty.. the production team had to clean up after a group of supposed adults and went hours over the time set aside. These people get paid by the hour.. instantly thats $5000 down the drain cause Froste can't be fucked cleaning up his Happy Meal trash...

[@silcoego2859]

$60k salary for 40 hours of work a month, people would kill for that 💀

[@1Godspeed_45]

This video is super well done. I’m outta town this week and didn’t even know this was an issue when I usually follow this. Now I feel caught up and more informed. Thanks for putting a non biased video together like this!

[@daniel_thebeast6473]

Not that deep bro

[@upvotecomment2110]

Froste crying for not getting paid lavishly Meanwhile: Only has 100 Viewers, Never Worked/Streamed, and chooses to stay at 10k rent rather than leave a go to a 5k house. Why is it hard for people to understand that leverage is used in deals (That is negotiable, the cut is always going to be negotiable), and Incentives/Rewards are based on the OUTPUT you can deliver. Should A small streamer be compensated the same percentage as Big Streamer? Should a streamer that was given a deal be compensated the same as streamers who bring the deal? Should a streamer THAT DOESN'T STREAM be compensated 90%? HELL NO.

[@mocapcow2933]

I think they should have the same deal as a big streamer. For percentages at least.

[@olivernewton8584]

Frost got 64k a year from 100thieves with the added sponsor money, most likely over 100k. Froste also said he could stream and get 2k a month (24k+ a year) but he felt it wasn't enough. He also fumbled the 12k elgato deal because he said it wasn't enough. 36k + extra a year. He then moaned about not getting enough money like an entitled baby. The guy wanted everything handed to him with minimal effort on his end

[@vladimirpetrov7530]

@@mocapcow2933 Really? You probably think that money grows on trees, lol?

[@BlackCatTheOtaku]

@@vladimirpetrov7530 I think he's just lazy himself wants high pay for no work

[@mocapcow2933]

@@vladimirpetrov7530 nope, but 85% is still way too much, sure they got people to pay, but that doesn’t reman take away 85% of the income of the people actually making the sponsorship.

[@Kastor_B]

Moral of the story: Froste didnt work hard at all and 100T had the option to take 85% of the mobs half ass work.

[@urchinsify]

they gave 65% and froste still had the audacity to claim they took 95%... The entitlement is out of this world

[@iconic3606]

@@urchinsify exactly

[@ayo9194]

85% is exploitation i don't understand how people don't see just how ridiculous it is.

[@iconic3606]

@@ayo9194 we do. But you also have to take in consideration of the mob and their group not putting in effort and 100t needing to support so many groups and stuff.

[@ayo9194]

@@iconic3606 you do realise that the contract was signed before their non performance. the contract was always predetory.

[@Nujabessence]

Thank you for the edit. I like hearing multiple inputs when it comes to internet drama but I know some things will be repeated so it's nice to get it concise

[@SAINTDRAKEE]

The editing of this is absolutely impecable. This is deadass so perfectly well forged, every snippet and transition timed so flawlessly. good shit Godspeed

[@thysens]

Atrioc’s point about young members in a content house is spot on. It’s been shown countless times before: the odds are that those young members will not efficiently use their time. In many cases, they’ll make less content together than usual/before. I’m surprised that someone like Nadeshot couldn’t recognize that trend.

[@gazehound]

Not even just in gaming too, across the board content creators make less content when they get a house together.

[@TheDOWNxSHIFTED]

yeah nadeshot was just going off of what happened with him in the optic house back in the day, got a bunch of young players together and they churned out content like crazy because they were broke

[@Smonsequenses]

I mean just put it together, 100T already has inventory of brand deals and needs to get them somewhere, they don't really care if the streams are succesful or not, the deal is just someone who streams for them does the sponsorship. They get some young naive guys, sign them a contract where they take 85% and then give them some sponsors they already had laying around. People make it seem like they work 24/7 to scramble some sponsorship deal together while they probably have more in their inbox than they can respond too. I don't doubt they also want to grow talent, but the very fact that they wrote in 85% as a possibility just screams they're looking to squeeze as much out as they can as their first priority.

[@Natty11100]

@@Smonsequenses this was also really early in 100t, I want newer people to say how much they get now to see if they changed for the better

[@DushanSlothM]

Not sure how to break this to you, but Nadeshot kind of was that kid that was in a gaming house and he actually put in those hours next to Scump and a few others. If you're not aware of 6050 and Optic House, you could check some Hecz content. They were living and grinding together, sponsorship money pretty much went to Hecz to pay for the house and utilities, only money they earned back then didn't even come from streaming and KZbin that much but them destroying people in wagers, so listening to Atrioc for this point just shows how little he knows about the person he's talking about.

[@Evenchully]

finally a reuploader who puts time and effort into the vids. earned my sub and respect. keep following the big news events and take the advice of this video... don't get comfortable. keep trying to make thorough videos like this and you'll be massive in a few months. good luck!

[@gliixo]

wow this editing style is amazing, great job. Seems like this took a lot of work. I could really see this style taking off

[@Mister.420]

You need to start making more of these bruv, if every time some sorta Internet controversy happens and you edit everybody’s reactions in this format (that you’ve executed very well might I add) you would have a very VERY successful YT channel. I would def come here every time something happens to get the jist of what went down, cause this vid right here is like a one stop central…and if you’re editing skills only improve from here then hooolyyyyy. You got it my g fs.

[@alexanderc7150]

Nadeshot also said when when he sent a crew to film them at there house that place was so dirty the production team would spend hours cleaning the place.

[@robinwsc]

Great edit my guy, no idea how you pulled this together so cohesively and quickly

[@DeathVapor]

Due to your amazing editing and making sure that everyone gets their opinions in and the entire story is clear, I now know what’s going on. I had no idea before I watch this video, but thanks to you I do now. I will post another comment on my thoughts about this whole thing because I don’t wanna make this one too long

[@rcg260697]

Dude this video is extremely well done, congrats and thank you.

[@vacantix8370]

Great editing and compilation, keep it up

[@Lion022]

This is so amazingly formatted please keep it up!!!!

[@123newjersey3]

Amazing seamless information filled editing. Amazing work. Subscribed

[@sparks6177]

Nobody seems to realize that 100t is also paying a salary of 60k and giving huge exposure to very small creators, literally the only method to make money for 100t is to bring sponsors in and to have the mob fulfill those contracts, 85% cut is fair considering that the mob wasn’t even averaging a combined 1000 viewers. The mob also retains all earning from merch, twitch, KZbin, etc, the only thing they give up is 85% of sponsorships. They also didn’t fulfill very many of their contracts and half assed them (admitted by froste himself) at the very least they could have used 100t to grow their own presence through collaboration and daily KZbin videos, then 100t could bring in bigger sponsors and you actually have the viewer count to negotiate a better deal. Instead froste did nothing, wasn’t proactive, doesn’t grow, then gets fired and complains

[@FizzyGajing]

Why are people overLOOKING THE 60K salary. Bro... like why?????

[@traplover6357]

@@FizzyGajing it's 60k in West LA.

[@notSchnee]

@@traplover6357 it's enough if you don't door dash every meal and live in a 10k/month house

[@FizzyGajing]

@@traplover6357 i'm pretty he's not living alone. Plus, they chose thr house

[@sparks6177]

@@traplover6357 yeah but he has 4 roommates being paid the same amount, so that’s a combined 240k a year and that’s on top of any streaming, KZbin and merch revenue. I’m not saying it makes everything worth it but a guaranteed 60k goes a long way and considering 85% of one of their bigger sponsorships was maybe 10-15k, 240k is a tidy sum

[@IWishUHeaven]

i really enjoy the way you edited this now i don’t have to go through 5 different vods :)

[@genesisridermusic]

This is such a good video. Your editing timing is GOD tier.

[@coqui8861]

This is a great video I have never seem a mashup of reactions before Very very creative

[@Unveinn]

The editing on this video is amazing you definitely gotta make more videos like this covering stuff going on around KZbin and twitch, I’m sure you’d blow up 👍

[@streamhellofutureforclearskin]

thanks for the closed captions. good video!

[@countvladislausdragulia7414]

This was a well-edited compilation, my guy!

[@versaii5519]

great editing honestly very entertaining video

[@Horse4lunch]

came to say the same

[@DoddScientifics]

Yeah this was really well made.

[@tylergreen2130]

im not a huge fan of channels just taking stream clips and patching them together and putting them on their own channel... but damn you did an excellent job putting this together. I mean you actually added value to the content with such perfect liner stitching. Really well done

[@faithk13]

The editing on this video is amazing! So clean 😄 Great video!

[@alangonzalez9236]

bro the transition between perspectives is butter smooth.

[@Raii_Chu]

Froste the kind of employee to take a smoke break out back every 10minutes and then complain about his colleagues

[@FuzionXzionn]

Let’s be honest, money was never the issue here. In terms of how the contact was structured, 85% is a lot, even if they didn’t necessarily exercise the part of the agreement just having that in writing is unacceptable so I do agree with everyone else. 100T could have given The Mob 100% of all the sponsorship money and they still would’ve fucked it up. 2 years with the Org and having nothing to show for it, I have no pitty for Forste. Even if 100T handled the house situation by finding them a house for less than 10k a month instead of letting them pick, they still would have blew they money else where

[@johnsmith4187]

85% is not alot at all. The mob is being paid 2,500 free use money and 2,500 for content/stream gear per member per month. $5,000 x 12 months thats $60k per member per year. 2years they were hired x 4members x 60k = 480k salary for 2 years. How is this suppose to be paid with only 10% cut on 3 brand deals they did, which was 200k for fireball, 100k for elgato, and last 100k for another sponsor. 10% = 40k to pay 480k salary? The reason they only had 3 brand deals was because they kept messing up sponsors. Froste literally admits that he screwed up. www.twitch.tv/froste/clip/SlickRamshackleDiscVoteYea-ysg68TbgQk01utEK?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[@merrilllee4878]

why should 100T use their own resources to go out and find sponsors for the mob, and give them 100% of the sponsorship money, pay them a salary of $2500/mth PER person this is EXCLUDING money that they make from streaming, the mob would also get access to 100T's resources, wide pool of well known and established content creators to make content with, 100T even OFFERED to find a place for them (that also requires time/money). so.. if they give 100% of sponsorship deals that 100T finds, what's in it for 100T to sign them? Froste's viewership barely breaks 200, 85% is just nice given the risk that 100T has to undertake.

[@jakhar5]

@@merrilllee4878 You are on mad copium if you think 85% is acceptable. That’s how businesses fuck you in the ass, they were trying to play the long con but obviously Froste was way too incompetent for them to actually start reaping benefits.

[@Byefel38]

@@merrilllee4878 That’s true. A lot of people are complaining about how 85% is too much and it’s just stealing and exploiting them. But like both of you said, The Mob would’ve ended up fumbling the bag anyways even if they got all 100% of their sponsorship money. Their laziness, stupidity, and delusion failed them.

[@rcheysnarfs2747]

@@merrilllee4878 ur entirely missing the point where he said "100T COULD have given The Mob 100% of all the sponsorship money and they still would've fucked it up"

[@loganlm10]

I loved the editing on this, well done

[@ElementalSk81]

I think alot of these content creators are missing the fact that its ONLY the revenue from sponsorship deals, nothing else. So everything else goes all to the streamer. But the wording that these creators are using, makes it seem like 100 thieves were taking 85%-95% of ALL source of income related to streaming which is simply not true.

[@tbaart4428]

Some content creators explicitly say sponsorship deals. Some don’t cuz they’re not thorough. It’s not hard to miss. Plus that’s still a ludicrous split. 100T sucks for wanting 85% in a contract. Froste is a dumbass for not putting in more effort after having the opportunity to be backed by 100T.

[@Allenw154]

Most of them are comparing apples to oranges. They're comparing 15-20% agent deals with an esports company. Agents don't provide you with a SALARY nor a content budget. Nor do they elevate you above just your own viewership. 85% is the only way to recuperate any of their spent costs. They are business, not a charity. I'll even bet that 100T took a loss overall with the Mob.

[@marianrucareanu8802]

They have been in this industry for fucking years, do you really think they don't know that shit. Quit trying to make excuses for a rooten company.

[@ahmedayadi4410]

@@marianrucareanu8802 even if it was true 100t were given them more money than they actually make xD

[@abramblanca4206]

Ludwig says in the full video that their KZbin/Streaming income is theirs but still 80% is a lot

[@murphplaya]

Froste cant complain, hes been given a huge opportunity and is just shitting all over it

[@mohammedsanogo3627]

Saved so much time watching this vid. It deserves more views imo.

[@benoitbellemare8397]

This edit flows very well. Nicely done. You got my sub.

[@jeraiko7897]

like the editing here and the transitions were the best ive ever seen from a vid like this

[@h0rizons4rent]

they're complaining about 15%.... just wait till they see what percentage of profits the average person gets vs what they earn for their company, lol years ago i was awarded with the highest sales in my dept and the amount they told me was made from my sales alone was over 12X my salary, not even considering all the other work i did. i left that job pretty soon after

[@Smonsequenses]

Yea it's kinda as if companies inherently exploit their workers lol, we should maybe do something about that

[@SSBM-Sandwich]

Yeah but it’s a little difference since for the most part the content creator or gamer are creating the value/product for advertisers. A corporation in most cases makes the product, advertises it, takes the risk, while the employees work to sell or do they’re job.

[@victorpetrov8535]

In your analogy, aren't you in the role of agent and your company in the role of a streamer? You are the one selling their product and retaining part of the revenue. You're essentially the one finding the brand deal (customer) and connecting them to the streamer (company).

[@h0rizons4rent]

@@Smonsequenses I agree. I was just responding to the video where they made it seem like this is a problem only in gaming where in reality this is a problem everywhere with companies

[@h0rizons4rent]

@@victorpetrov8535 yes, just raising the fact that this is an issue in every industry, as they insinuated this only happens in gaming

[@Ego-Breaker]

Mizkif getting nervous about 35% lol

[@SavantGardeEX]

He scammazing fr lmao

[@TheMagics_]

This is actually a really well pieced together vid

[@evanwainscott4174]

YO this was fire. I just watched like 8 hours of KZbin beef in 15 minutes. Nice video. Keep doing these.

[@carlosalvarez3908]

I think what they don’t realize is that these guys were Twitter trolls they weren’t content creators

[@randomentertainment8626]

Charlie = The Voice of Reason

[@brianjohnson124]

I love how everyone immediately stops what they’re doing to go watch video.

[@jacksonloram7887]

Can’t stand how all these kids come out and blatantly defend nadeshot and 100 Thieves. Regardless if they were big streamers, 100T taking 85% of the sponsors is a joke, and anyone who defends them are delusional

[@xv1distort]

Charlie is our guiding voice

[@sparks6177]

Charlie’s take wasn’t that good, 100 thieves paid froste 60k a year and all they asked in return is 85% of sponsors, any other income from streaming, merch, KZbin etc, belongs 100% to froste. 100 thieves are also the ones finding these sponsors and setting them up, which takes employees and office space, for someone with only 100 viewer average the only way 100 thieves doesn’t lose money is if froste fulfills every contract, and as froste said, he didn’t fulfill very many. Froste would actually have to put the work in and grow his channels significantly before 100 thieves would make any real money from the deal that they gave froste

[@luqmuhmmad2616]

@@sparks6177 bro do you want me too ask the question

[@daydreammadness1620]

very well done video dude! you packed it sooo well!

[@nuxx.a9251]

great edit man all of the clips are fit together

[@ZettaFan]

So lets say 100T were to sign me. I don't stream. I have 0 viewers. It would literally make sense if 100T said "Hey, we're paying you 65K a year but we're taking 99% of the deals we bring you." That is an opportunity worth way more to me than the money I would get from sponsors. Now if I was a 1000 view streamer then obviously Froste's deal is dogshit.

[@1biasedherbertfan979]

Froste is 100 or less live viewer channel

[@mushishi3319]

Yup..most small streamers would take the deal in a heartbeat

[@merrilllee4878]

it's exactly how investors or venture capitalist works, these streamers don't understand that if their streaming is basically a self-employed job or a small business. Even if you have a viewership of 1000, you're still a nobody. 100T is risking everything with pretty much 0 downside to you, yet you are able to leverage on their branding, content creators, and other resources to grow your viewership which in turn increases your revenue. 85% is still a good deal.

[@feetishfriend9624]

We gotta admit though, wether we all agree or disagree with anything he says, Charlie has come a long way. He's basically like the face of the internet. Anytime something is going on in the internet world, Charlie is on it and most times the go to source for people to get the full picture followed by his opinions. He at least shares the entire story as it's released and does his best to stay unbiased while sharing the story.

[@yourboss4561]

Yea I don't like any replies the other streamers gave Charlie is the go to nowadays basically.

[@eskees9498]

He is definitly biased though. What's good about charlie is that he has common sense and while he is biased in his videos, the bias doesn't cloud the information given.

[@Shadow---]

Eh

[@Bob-qu4wc]

"face of the internet" hahah

[@eatmypost9500]

maybe in your bubble, i dont watch him ever if hes not in those compilations

[@ayshafalealii2623]

11/10 video mans, very easy to digest bc of ur editing - love your work

[@aga3852]

The way this was formatted helps people like me who are confused of the whole situation. Thank you, imma sub to see what other news you can format alike.

[@drewsmith8534]

this edit is really good

[@drewsmith8534]

keep it up

[@eazymediaca]

The only thing we don’t really know yet tho: he did say they retained up to 85% of sponsors they brought them, but if the mob individuals went out and hustled themselves to find sponsors on their own would the streamers get more of the profit?? And also as a “content creator” would they not retain 100% of the revenue they generate on their non-sponsored streams (like their normal monthly payouts)? So in theory they could have made more money from just streaming a ton and getting the recognition from being apart of the 100T brand name.. if he only streamed 129hrs in a month max, then he is going to struggle the same as any other streamer.. still have to put the time in to make the money..

[@osmandoherrera4183]

exactly, and once you have the 100t clout, a lot of that shit comes easier same with merch, he still gets 100% of his donos, the 85% was only from the sponsors they brought (85% is still high tho) but cmon kid get your shit together

[@jotully]

Nadeshot claims the creators keep 100% of their twitch, youtube and merchandising revenue. 100T only touch the sponsorship deals, and only the ones that 100T brokered. The Mob kept 100% of the revenue on a sponsorship deal that they themselves brokered. 100T were also paying them a base salary on top of that, so that they had a stable source of income.

[@13a1Vana]

I think I heard that when you sign with these kinds of companies, you end being exclusive on some level. Basically any deal you get “on your own” would have to go through 100T still. Which means they could still take their 85% cut. Devin Nash mentions something along these lines in his video

[@iammars142]

@@13a1Vana This is my understanding. Supposedly The Mob had to give up a 20k/month GFuel deal because 100T had a conflicting energy drink sponsorship with Monster or something else. You can't really broker a deal completely independently when you are part of an org. The deals have to line up with the image of the org.

[@tommccarthy3279]

@@13a1Vana I believe 100T had to approve the sponsor first, so there are no conflicts. Froste said they were trying to get a Gfuel sponsorship but 100T didn’t allow it because they are a direct competitor with Red Bull that is a very big 100T sponsor. Which makes sense. But if they did get there own sponsors they would get 100% of the deal.

[@ARASH_SAMIEI]

The editing was great thanks

[@Silverfeaux]

I gotta say the way this is edited together is solid.

[@Anthony-pu7do]

they are an org. if they take 85% of the sponsorship they pay mostly all people involved in acquiring and facilitating the sponsorship. you on the other hand acquired such sponsorship through them. advice check all the contracts before you sign them dont hype yourself just because you are signing with a known org

[@johnsmith4187]

They are not talent agency. They are being employed and paid 480k salary. 85% is recoup and pay that salary.

[@Canseeyt]

Facts, how dumb you have to be to sign that deal?

[@Anthony-pu7do]

@@Canseeyt exactly. now he complains what a 🤡

[@Canseeyt]

@@Anthony-pu7do lol

[@YourMasta]

@@Canseeyt How old are you? Most 20 year olds aren’t experienced enough to know they’re getting scammed. People still do unpaid internships, which should tell you something.

[@The.social.introvert]

Honestly i still feel 100 thieves is a great sponsor to start off with, especially to build a platform for yourself in which can possibly lead to brand deals as your channel grows. If 100t chooses to keep 65-85% of the revenue as they said, then it should be up to the streamer to decide wether to accept this deal or reject it and just leave the org and keep the brand deal for yourself.

[@thewovenmantis6813]

Yeah what people don’t understand is that in the real world, starting salesman get a 5% commission, and experienced ones may get 30% The deal is incredibly generous.

[@novadark9607]

Honestly my man this vid was great the flow and the style was great

[@JesusWithAG]

Great editing!

[@laksjdfization]

well done on this video. the thing that bugs me most about all this is one of Froste's biggest complaints is that they took 95% of the contracts they got, but 100t only took 85% of the contracts THEY brought to the mob, if the mob brought their own stuff they got the large majority, but they didn't because they didn't do shit to get any contracts or even fulfill the basics of the contracts they did have...

[@forkmasterderp919]

Yeah 85% is a lot but you gotta remember 100T was paying them a 60k salary for essentially 40hrs/ month worth of work. That's insane money for a 200 viewer Andy.

[@jacksonloram7887]

Stop defending 100T mate. It doesn’t matter how big you are, 85% is a joke. So sick and tired of seeing esport orgs sign young creators on ridiculous contracts and have clowns like you constantly defend them

[@YoungLiam74]

I mean 100T def expected them to do more then 40 a month im sure lol, but yeah. 85% is insanity, but they still got paid 60k and they chose the 10k house themselves. Froste only real point is the cut was scummy, but otherwise hes just a crybaby who squandered one of the opportunities of a lifetime. I don’t feel bad for any of them, hell that classy guy seems to be doing pretty good for himself nowadays and he was the only one who put in an actual effort while with 100T.

[@whydesignco]

@@jacksonloram7887 bro was working 8 hours a week and making 60k salary guaranteed wym lol

[@loucassavva3532]

@@whydesignco fax

[@tdayz9144]

@@jacksonloram7887 dude I’m sorry but that clown would never have got near any of those sponsorship deals without 100T. He’s lucky to even get 15% of the money when the sponsor is only interested in 100T any not the mob anyway

[@ChasingLions_]

As everyone else is saying, phenomenal video! Perfectly edited and very enjoyable to watch. Keep up the great work 🔥👏🏼

[@Pinner4203]

Good editing. This was well put together IMO

[@bucky2468]

When you bring a 100 viewer streamer a brand deal (like the uno one which was 500k) you can’t expect then to be paid 80% if the revenue

[@asersingularity4229]

brother it takes 2 parties to sign a contract. These are grown ass people. To blame 100t for everything and the whole "theyre taking advantage of them" spin is BS

[@BigBoss1228]

That's usually how this stuff starts, one party reads the terms, but doesn't fully comprehend what they're signing into, and don't ask questions about the deal, and when it turns out that it's not what they thought it was, they start whining and crying about it.

[@vitorabreu329]

look up What Is an Unconscionable Contract? If a lawsuit is filed and the court finds that a contract is unconscionable, the contract will typically be declared void. If a contract is declared void, there is no damages awarded or specific performance ordered, but, instead the parties will be released from their original contract obligations.

[@asersingularity4229]

@@vitorabreu329 okaaaay....And? Still doesn't mean they werent stupid to sign it in the first place

[@Coeaxe]

They were kids, and the Mob were basically Nadeshot meatriders. Were they dumb to take the contract? Yep, but a lot of people just getting into the industry would as well. 100T/Nadeshot should be ashamed for confidently saying how much they took. It's riduculous. However Froste seems pretty entitled and should have streamed more so both are wrong. 65/35 at fault for Froste, 100T/Nadeshot should take some blame though.

[@vitorabreu329]

@@asersingularity4229 bro just because they were stupid doesn’t mean it’s not a predatory contract that’s the whole fucking reason why people years later sue big corporations because of shady contracts now I don’t fucking know the contract obviously BUT 85% IS ABSURDITY

[@VVhawks51]

Love your editing!

[@ichivt]

Froste: Nadeshot took 95% of our revenue Nade: well no.. we had the choice to take 85%, but we took 35% for 2 of the three sponsorships we brought to you. Its not our fault that you felt short on the obligations the sponsorships required of you Froste: >:(

[@RizzAdobo]

I don't think people understand the justification for the 85%. If a e-sports organization signs a new creator to a salary, the offset the risk by taking up to 85% from sponsorship deals to match their salaries. Instead of thinking of a person selling their home, imagine you own a real estate company and you hire a brand new real estate agent with no experience and give him a salary, in order to offset the large salary you create a incentive program where they make 15% of commission percentage (average 5% of the deal) and the real estate company retains 85%. If the agent salary is $75,000/yr and he starts doing well and he starts selling $10M in real estate a year thats $500,000 they bring in, and his cut would be $75,000, yes the RE agency brings in $425,000, now that seems like the agency is taking a lot. On the other end similar to the Mob, If the agent salary is $75,000/yr and he doesnt do well and he brings in $500,000 in real estate sales, that's $25,000 in commision of which he gets $3,750 in commissions and only brings the company $21,250, if the Agent cant hit a revenue closer to his salary than his performance will most likely cost him his job.

[@cognition26]

No you don't understand Froste makes no money. He said he streamed and made 2k. 2k a month anyone can earn with an hourly job. Nadeshot took a chance on a nobody and gave them a chance to grow into a massive streamer. The 85% is fair because Nadeshot is taking a chance on them. The 85% is temporary if he grew into a big streamer he could renegotiate or leave the org. It took years for every big streamer to get to where they are at. Froste thinks he's pulling thousands of viewers. He's delusional. Also none of those sponsorship deals are possible on a 100 viewer streamer without someone batting for you. No 100 viewer streamer is getting sponsorships paying them more than 100 bucks. If you had 100 viewers go and try to make a deal with any big brand they will laugh at you. He has ruined it for other streamers trying to come up.

[@cognition26]

Here's the thing your comparison is terrible. For real estate agents to start making any real money it takes years of networking. 80% of real estate agents fail in their five years and after that most quit. 100T is coming up to new real estate agents and telling them I'll funnel clients to you but I take 80% the first 2 years. No driving around for hours a day, no signs, no cold calling, no mailing propositions, etc. just here's some clients. Please convince them to buy a house. 100T is taking a chance on them hopefully they know how to find the right house for their clients and hopefully get their clients to buy it. They are giving you a chance to grow a client base.

[@bzermikitokolok]

This is some god tier editing I haven’t seen before

[@soroushmahdavi7704]

really well edited video

[@gameingwithtoxic]

I am so surprised by people's reaction. Does nobody remember Faze contracts for CSGO pros? 85% is EXTREMELY common in any org and has been for a long long time.

[@mocapcow2933]

Still doesn’t make it right. Not defending Froste either, but 85% is a scam. Most of managers or agencies for big celebrities is at most 15-20%

[@ghost-whitesand9447]

@@mocapcow2933 it kinda makes sense for small time creators… you’re not taking away all of their income that they make from streaming, you’re taking 85% of the sponsorship deals that your organization brought to the creator because you want to recoup some of the losses that you took trying to help the small creator you signed. (I.E: you paid for the housing and salary for a small creator but you take 85% of their SPONSORSHIP to make money back)

[@ghost-whitesand9447]

@@mocapcow2933 that’s the thing… you’re talking about successful and financially secure companies managing BIG celebrities. (We’re not talking about big celebrities, we’re talking people that barely averaged 200-400 viewers from what I heard)

[@mocapcow2933]

@@ghost-whitesand9447 imagine if those people got insanely huge though, and secured million dollar sponsorships, what we have learned from the Tfue situation, is that these esports orgs still take a majority. If you think it’s okay to take that much from small creators, it allows these orgs to take that much from big creators too. That’s not a good point.

[@gameingwithtoxic]

@@mocapcow2933 oh I agree its not okay in the slightest, I'm just pointing out that this has been very well known and I see crazy reactions from people like this isnt public knowledge hahaha I do fully agree 85% is horrible but also feel more than 20% is completely fine. Even somewhere in the 30-35% range if the creator is signed when they are very small (viewer wise of course lmao)

[@meltedbutters]

Funny how miskif was justifying the 85% and then backtracked when Charlie made his video

[@gazehound]

OTK def taking >30%

[@henrymorales9584]

Omg. I don't know why Miz didn't immediately freak out at the 85% number. Like, commissions and management at the most take 20%. Let's be generous with the number and say 30%. Not a freaking 85 cut from revenue. I honestly don't even know how to feel about Miz. Anger?

[@Pyrosquid]

well he backtracked mostly after realising 100t didnt pay their rent for them

[@jacobdejongh9042]

@@henrymorales9584 so it’s strange to me that the 85% is looked at in isolation though, they pay them a salary and let them keep 100% of donos/ad revenue etc. Would it be better if they only took 15% but it was 15% of everything they earned + didn’t pay them monthly?

[@c.k.1933]

@@gazehound Nah Miz clarified on his stream one time that OTK doesn’t take more than 30%

[@gabrielrodriguez8019]

Idk why but I love the editing cuz it shows everyone reacting to every piece, Well done

[@RickyB256]

Very nicely edited man good job

[@Cole6god]

9:21 That's the dedication it takes to be the #1 streamer

[@joaquinortega6623]

Man Imagine who is more deserving got the chance that they had. We in the wrong timeline.

[@Clairevoyance1]

Damn. This was great edition 👌👌

[@irine_elle]

This is some nice editing right here!

[@dawnggg]

Froste just strikes me as super entitled, wants the money and fame, not willing to put in the work

[@Sephiroth32vergil]

They were 100 viewer streamers then they got signed by an org that could multiply their viewership 100 times over. For the duration of the contract which is probably a year or two. So 85% is their price for exposure for a year or two. If after that time you are much greater as a brand then you can negotiate a new contract or go out on your own. The 85% on the contract is probably so that 100T can cover costs of getting the deal but only take what they think is fair, which is why Nade said they only took about 35%.

[@ravenvamp11]

We need more of this reaction compilation type videos

[@adonis3726]

This was edited so well

[@TeddyIsHereIRL]

Never heard or saw anything of The Mob before the 100T Uno tournament. Nadeshot gave them a chance, they tried (more or less, but more less), they failed. Now Froste is bitching about how unfair life is

[@northwestclasspnw7974]

pretty much this. 100T gave them a platform that they did basically nothing with

[@VJ-kl5mw]

good edits! New sub 👋

[@DailyStreamer]

Thanks for the sub!

[@fif1]

bro this editing is insane

[@foilto3971]

nice editing dude, felt nice

[@gasad01374]

100T took 85% of 1 single deal. and even then Nadeshot was losing money having them in 100T with the high % that they took from the deals

[@RicardoZuniga]

What people fail to understand is yes.. 85% is a lot, agreed. But when you're a small streamer and the org is taking a chance on you providing you with their resources and ecosystem they have to make their money back one way or another. The mob didn't pull through and I guarantee you if they did ended up blowing their contracts would've been renegotiated with a new and more fair percentage. Dude's had access to some of the biggest creators in the platform, sat down next to Valkyrae (streamer of the year award winner btw) on a big 100t event and still ended up fumbling the bag.

[@johnsmith4187]

its not alot at all. How are they suppose to pay their 480k salary?

[@JR-kv6ez]

Average commission rate for people who work in sales is 5% at entry level and 30% for successful, established sales agents. So by these metrics even if 100T took 85%, the mob were being paid on the higher end of the spectrum percentage-wise.

[@RicardoZuniga]

@@JR-kv6ez exactly, they were in a blessed position, they were given an opportunity and they just didn't grind the fuck out of it like they should've.

[@JR-kv6ez]

@@RicardoZuniga Amen brother.

[@johnsmith4187]

@@JR-kv6ez They are not taking 85% from their revenue. Only their brand deals that 100 thieves brought to them. In this case was only 3 of them because they were screwing them up. Froste for example still made around $300,000 dollars. 120k salary from 100 thieves + 109k from twitch earnings leak + 50k from brand deals + casino sponsors. He was very successful and only had to stream 9 hours per week. Because this was peak covid lockdown Among us Meta. All small streamers from there went from working minimum jobs to millionaires. The money was so good.

[@NickKrispy69]

Amazing format and editing man

[@TheBongeSpob]

Bro you need more subs this editing is so fire and is a good way to uodate eveyone 😊

[@DailyStreamer]

thanks, man. I appreciate it!

[@IrishBiteGirl]

Miz had the best take. If they are paying for their rent, 35% is not bad. The amount of money you can save when not paying rent is insane. They also clearly were living like they were bigger than they are, flushing money down the drain.

[@vakantieman3270]

they paid the rent of the salary that 100T gave them... so yeah 100T paid for their rent.. it wasnt the mob themself.. the mob didnt earn ANY money with their 100 viewer streams.. 100T gave the 4 of them almost 500K in 2 years and now people are complaining they took to mutch of the sponsorship deals .. The only thing 100T should have done better is advice them in their choice where to live.. a 2 bedroom appartment would be fine just deal with it and keep some money of your salary instead of wasting it all on your rent