Continuous Attack Modifiers Don't Work The Way You Think

Continuous Attack Modifiers Don't Work The Way You Think - Advanced Rulings

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6 ай бұрын

Gren Maju Da Eiza has the continuous effect to gain 400 atk times the number of banished cards you control. Lets say you banish 10 cards for Pot of Desires, that means it now has 4000 ATK. So if your opponent uses Blackwing - Galethe Whirlwind on your gren maju and cuts its atk in half, down to 2000. What happens when you use another pot of desires on your next turn and banish 10 more cards? Well Gren Majus attack will stay 2000.
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@Entei9000 6 ай бұрын

Friendly reminder that this game is apparently suitable for anyone over the age of 6

@papiderpy 6 ай бұрын

6 years old and requires a doctorate in neuroscience lol

@Ruby_Eve 6 ай бұрын

@@papiderpy that's the experience plenty of employers are asking for these days

@immy6392 6 ай бұрын

@@Ruby_Evefr fr

@korutodark7855 6 ай бұрын

@@papiderpy Nope the kid must have PHD at programming, knows every programming languages, and can type programs in STANDARD GALACTIC ALPHABET.

@xzenitramx666 6 ай бұрын

So youre 18 and that the exact age we need but we need someone with 6 years of experience @@Ruby_Eve

@luqmanloki4803 6 ай бұрын

Now I understand why there was a dueling academy in the anime.😂

@russellmathura6532 6 ай бұрын

Needed

@mrdude88 6 ай бұрын

Wait, so if the there’s a second effect that is activated after the first effect, the first effect that was activated becomes the last effect that gets activated and the second effect is the first?

@christopherb501 6 ай бұрын

SEVERAL

@luqmanloki4803 6 ай бұрын

@@mrdude88 Yup

@andytoskovic 6 ай бұрын

Such original comment wow

@jvbs7193 6 ай бұрын

Someone... Someone had to make this a rule. Let that sink inside your home

@ace-trainer-aj 6 ай бұрын

We Toadally need a Duel Academy

@flareongirl3606 6 ай бұрын

Kaiba: They called me a Madman

@halodragonmaster 6 ай бұрын

Anything that Multiplies or Divides a stat - unless otherwise stated - permanently affects said monster(s) stat. That's as simple as it gets.

@ace-trainer-aj 6 ай бұрын

@@halodragonmaster Laughs in Mathmech Multiplication and Division

@if7723 6 ай бұрын

@@halodragonmaster Shoot, I need to get yugioh rule makers involved in debt.

@radboyrandom1976 5 ай бұрын

Gx watchers: Why'd Kaiba make a school for dueling? That's dumb lol Kaiba now: Who's stupid now

@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 2 ай бұрын

yea its there for a reason. honestly i think we would all go to duel academy if we could go to their universe lol

@spoofy8885 6 ай бұрын

Is there just a Supreme Court at Konami that decides upon these rulings?

@dreamcream3738 6 ай бұрын

They are rulings set by judges at official tournaments, which are then set as precedent.

@ANDELE3025 6 ай бұрын

Support emails, FAQs or whatever is the most popular tournament judge interpretation most of the time... even if its a ruling that shouldnt exist because it outright conflicts with the printed rules.

@maomaeramnon3870 6 ай бұрын

Honestly, most of this stuff gets derived from similar, more logical situations. This trickles down ofc to more situational stuff. Often times judges would also make an argument for a certain ruling and if others would agree that one would prevail

@Ramsey276one 6 ай бұрын

SOLEMN COURT

@christopherb501 6 ай бұрын

They do make ABOUT as much sense, are just as out of touch, and are appointed without public input mattering by just as evil people...

@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475 6 ай бұрын

God I hate it how the oldest and simplest looking cards are a nightmare to rule.

@renatoramos8834 6 ай бұрын

They aren't. Konami is just a dumbass.

@getsomebud 6 ай бұрын

thats my yugioh baybeeeee

@ANDELE3025 6 ай бұрын

They aren't, its a self made problem by choosing to ignore the rulebook (or in old times, based on different translators using synonymous words by context with same meaning being interpreted differently).

@r3zaful 6 ай бұрын

@@ANDELE3025"translator" Its originally ruled this way from japan.

@ANDELE3025 6 ай бұрын

@@r3zaful Why i said in "olden times" because of issues like target/choose/designate or add/increase/gain. And OCG isnt pure and perfect either, as unlike TCGs erratas for cards intended to avoid that set of rulings, they just re-ruling the rulings like with Wicked Avatar (as they use the same wording/atk and def of this card _by criteria here_ becomes/になる that number).

@ToteVirusanti 6 ай бұрын

The worst thing is that this works in most cards, yet some cards like "The Wicked Avatar" are ruled to bypass this stuff, making more nightmare fuel.

@halodragonmaster 6 ай бұрын

The Wicked Avatar's continuous effect is different from Gren Maju Da Eiza's is continuous effect. His specific wording forces his stats to always be at a set value (+100 the highest attack), whereas Gren Maju's is a multiplied variable. It's like Diamond Crab King vs Apoqliphort towers. Towers says that all special summoned monsters lose 500 atk and defense, however Diamond Crab King says *this card's atk becomes 3000*, ignoring Apoqliphort tower's reduction.

@JohnnyMacs19 6 ай бұрын

@@halodragonmasterthis is a children's card game and the rules shouldn't be THIS complicated 🤣🤣🤣

@risingmoonutopiabeyond1458 6 ай бұрын

WELL, TELL THAT TO KONAMI@@JohnnyMacs19

@halodragonmaster 6 ай бұрын

@@JohnnyMacs19 That's been the joke for 20+ years at this point.

@yasharthpandey6317 6 ай бұрын

@@halodragonmasterThe Wicked Avatar is unique though. It is one specific card whose ATK is always determined by its own effect. No amount of modifiers (with the exception of the Wicked Dreadroot) will affect this. The Wicked Avatar and Gren Maju are similar. Green Maju's attack being a multiple doesn't change that. Even if Gale the Whirlwind's effect is applied to halve The Wicked Avatar's attack, the Wicked Avatar will immediately set its attack back to the value determined by its own effect.

@apocrypha5363 6 ай бұрын

I can't wait until Yu-Gi-Oh is out of beta, and the full release version comes out without all these dumb bugs like this and "missing timing."

@t3arki113r 2 ай бұрын

My friend is still waiting for the Yang Zing patch to correct the "when" bug. hahaha

@arielcevallos8188 6 ай бұрын

In this short you should clarify why it won't change, because not all people would know how Gren's effects works. Here the key word is "becomes", so that means Green Majus's attaks will be halve its attacks forever until it leaves the field or it's flipped face down. Antother example that comes to my mind (and that confuses me the first time I play this card) is Triangle Ecstasy Spark, which states "harpie lady sisters' atk BECOMES 2700". I used this when Harpie Lady 1 (who increases all WIND monsters' atk by 300) was on my field, thinking that my Harpie Lady Sisters will be 3000, but no, since Harpie Lady 1's effect was already applying when Triangle Ecstasy Spark's effect resolves. If I had activated Triangle Ecstasy Spark first, then summon Harpie Lady 1, it would have increases Harpie Lady Sisters' atk by its effect, resulting in 3000.

@halodragonmaster 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for this, because most of the time values being Multiplied or Divided are worded in such a way that state "this card's stats become double/half it's current/original value"

@Zoosmell413 6 ай бұрын

I unfortunately Found this out when at a speed dule tournament in the early days. I tried to use Copycat to copy the highest attack monster and have it be 200 points higher with Yami field spell. but it didn't work. there are a lot of stupid rules that aren't obvious that I come up against as a new Yugioh player.

@ianslee4765 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, and unless you negates majus own effect what stops it from just going back to x 400? Simple, a bad ruling. "becomes" isn't a permanent word lmao.

@halodragonmaster 6 ай бұрын

@@ianslee4765 Becomes is only temporary when it's specified to be temporary, as in the case of Armored Bee (becoming half until the end phase), Diamond Crab King (becoming 3k until the end phase), and Utopia the lightning (becoming double its original attack until the end of the damage step). Other cases in which it is permanent (Gale) is because there is no specified limit on when it stops being halved.

@ianslee4765 6 ай бұрын

@@halodragonmaster do you see how this isn't a response to what I said or nah?

@Frogleeoh 6 ай бұрын

This type of effect ruling feels like a glitch as opposed to an intended feature, despite being a physical game first and foremost.

@rishnix 5 ай бұрын

I was playing Master Duel and encountered a scenario very similar to this. Something halved my monster's attack, but it had Power of the Guardians on it. I kept gaining spell counters, but my monster's attack stopped going up. I legitimately thought it was a glitch in the game. Rulings like this are why the game is such an unfun mess.

@iananderson4754 4 ай бұрын

@@rishnixsomething similar happened to me too

@Xeno_Solarus 3 ай бұрын

@@rishnixLol "unfun mess". You people are delusional. Don't like the game? Don't play it.

@quilavafactorynotreallybut5429 3 ай бұрын

@@Xeno_Solarus It's delusional to call out a game for having rulings that shouldn't exist? Gren Maju's effect checks cards in the banish pile to boost its stats while Armored Bee cuts Attack for one turn. No matter how you try to explain that, Gren Maju should be back to 4000 Atk by the end phase and register new removed cards.

@MH_Toffymaru 2 ай бұрын

@@Xeno_Solarus It is an unfun mess; that's why I don't play it anymore. It is not delusional to point out that the ruling and/or effects of some cards make what was supposed to be a cool game something very tedious to understand.

@humanoid251 6 ай бұрын

As someone who’s just finished putting together a Nemleria deck that runs Gren Maju this is great information to have

@Swordhand1 6 ай бұрын

Hello, fellow Nem Maju enjoyer

@joshuarobinson6011 4 ай бұрын

You can also basically reset it back to normal by either bouncing gren back to hand or flipping face down then face up since if your gren got galed and you flipped it face down it would remove the gale effect from gren so you’d go back to whatever its’ attack should be

@korutodark7855 6 ай бұрын

Ahh... Blackwing Gale and Darkworld Shackles modifies the "current ATK/DEF". That's why Gren's effect will not work because current Atk/Def modifiers are also continuous and overwrites continuous modifiers like Gren has. This can be countered by either bouncing back Gren to the hand or setting it face down so not only resetting Gren's effect but also remove similar effect like Gale has. It's good to know that you can even counter specific card effects like Gren and how weirdly it turns into a crazy shinanigans. Hope to know more on this.

@ANDELE3025 6 ай бұрын

Shackles effectively are because its a equip thus keeps its effect on the target by the type (unofficially called chainless passive or continuous like effect) much like how field spells are, but Gale is not actually continuous, merely a ignition, or startup/activated depending on the language of choice (continuous effect needs to... well keep continuing/happening/checking the state of other cards in all relevant interactions, it may not have a trigger nor activation beyond the monster hitting the field/spell or trap being activated in the first place, a common mistake the newer video games make as far as deviation from the actual rules). This caused a problem later on in the OCG where the Wicked Avatars wording in both TCG and OCG would fall into the same pitfall, thus it got its own set of rulings that countered the ruling how attack changes work to work back based on how the rules state they work instead of other rulings (to then get buffed/"""erratad""" to not need the rulings).

@korutodark7855 6 ай бұрын

@@ANDELE3025 Ohh yeah! You are right! I kinda sometimes assumes that because there are also effects that has "until the end" on it's effects. Thanks for reminding me that part. For me, maybe they made this kind of interaction to avoid loops like what Pole Position does in the game.

@nicholasdelbene3565 6 ай бұрын

So if you do banish 20 cards and get it to flip face down and flip back up, would it be 8000?

@ANDELE3025 6 ай бұрын

@@nicholasdelbene3565 Yup, when a card is flipped face down (except for specific effects that place it face down while the effect keeps track of it being that card) the flipping wipes public knowledge thus the gale effect, while Maju kicks in again the moment it interacts with anything.

@ianslee4765 6 ай бұрын

Unless the card is continuous in itself or in its states effect, it's simply a dumb ruling. Brought up also here that's absolutely stupid is the idea that a SUMMONED monster just... Forgets about ITSELF when flipped face down.

@alchemist824 5 ай бұрын

We need irl Duel Academy locations

@Chvndlxr 3 ай бұрын

I thought about looking into making this a real thing and what would go into and boy oh boy does it need funding. Normal schools here don’t even get funding much less a duel academy lol

@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 2 ай бұрын

@@Chvndlxr it would take like mr beast funding and I doubt he ever do that lol

@mastatheif9909 6 ай бұрын

This is a braindead rule

@deviousj5868 4 ай бұрын

They might as well say once.

@joshuarobinson6011 4 ай бұрын

Not really since gales modifier is a continuous effect. If you flip gren face down then face up it removes the gale effect

@Xeno_Solarus 3 ай бұрын

Not really. Just learn the game. Sure it's complicated, but it's not that difficult to understand.

@DUxMORTEM 5 ай бұрын

This is why MTG has layers. Even the most complicated ruling can be explained once you understand layers. The only weird ruling ever is the Sevala and Panglacial wurm ruling but nobody does that anymore

@Storm_CW 5 ай бұрын

The weirdest ruling has always been Pot of Greed. Like, what the hell does it even do?!? Sorry, I had to make that reference.

@michaellancia45 6 ай бұрын

Ow ow owie my head 🤕

@ScarletDeclan 5 ай бұрын

Trust me. Master duel is your friend

@hugomendoza5665 2 ай бұрын

okay but like why. there's nothing about the wording of any of this that would logically result in that

@CorpCoCEO 4 ай бұрын

People joke about layers in magic the gathering for being weird and complicated (for those who don’t play magic, it’s a fully codified order in which characteristic-altering effects apply, so you can know how to apply something that swaps the stats of a creature and something giving that creature +2/+0 simultaneously for example) but I’m thankful for its existence if the alternative is this weirdness

@mistriousfrog 4 ай бұрын

This is the worst part about yugioh’s ruling nightmares. Magic has some mind bending minutia when you delve into layers interactions, such as removing the effect of blood moon doesn’t stop its effect from actually working. But all the answers are there in the comprehensive rules document if you know where to look. Yugioh lacks a comprehensive rules document though so everything is built on precedent from arbitrary judge rulings that were mostly not recorded properly. There is a reference document for OCG rulings but you are explicitly not allowed to use it as precedent when making tcg rulings. Its just an absolute mess.

@ChaoticNeutralMatt 3 ай бұрын

I want to say something like Esperanto vs English or metric vs.. imperial

@xDarkTempest- 5 ай бұрын

I've been playing this game for a long time and rulings will always find a way to amaze me

@zeidissaoui2908 5 ай бұрын

we need actual duel academy to understand all these rules

@uuu12343 5 ай бұрын

From a programming point of view, basically what's happening is that even though a card (in this case, Gren Maju Da Eiza) has a continuous effect, because it has an overlay effect (Blackwing Gale) slapped on top of it, effectively the effect of Gale is overwriting Maju's continuous effects until Gale is removed from the field So for example, in the case whereby only the attack is being locked by the opponent, the defense can still able to increase or decrease based on the card's continuous effect Thats right, clearly Konami was making cards with the programming mindset because why the hell would players - especially 6 year olds - know about overlaying and overwrite/overriding

@rishnix 5 ай бұрын

Even in that case though, further banished cards should still increase the attack, even if only by half.

@iananderson4754 4 ай бұрын

@@rishnix See this could be avoided by just saying the attack is reduced by half of it's current attack that way its just a constant -2000 because that is when the effect was applied.

@gfyGoogle 2 ай бұрын

This doesn’t make sense though, as it would imply that Slifer’s attack would be stuck, and it isn’t.

@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire 6 ай бұрын

Idea for a new “Da Eiza” retrain (similar to how “Maju Garzett has a small slew of retrains): _Great Maju Da Eiza_ (FIRE) Level 1 Fiend/Tuner/Effect _(Quick Effect) You can special summon this card you possess that is banished or in your hand or GY by banishing any number of cards you control. Gains 200 ATK/DEF and 1 level for each banished card. You can shuffle 1 of your banished cards into your deck, then apply 1 of the following effects based on it’s card type:_ Monster: Add 1 “Maju” card from your deck or GY to your hand. Spell: Target 1 card on the field: If that target is banished, draw 1 card. Trap: Target 1 card on the field: That target is banished if it leaves the field. _You can only activate each effect of “Great Maju Da Eiza” once per turn._ ATK/0 DEF/0

@mircogaglioffo1247 6 ай бұрын

Too broken, you could banish as cost a face down maju sent there from pot of desires and search it using this effect. To be balanced it needs to be a specific type of card for cost to not interact with face down removed cards

@Ramsey276one 6 ай бұрын

And here I made Tag Champ Maju G! XD

@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire 6 ай бұрын

@@mircogaglioffo1247 I’m pretty sure cards that are banished facedown are effectively negated by default unless otherwise stated… I don’t know, I’ve had people say it either way.

@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@Ramsey276one I mean there are like 4 versions of Maju Garzett (the OG, Great, Legendary and Emperor) and then you have Da Eiza standing out like a sore thumb by herself… At least ONE retrain is in order, especially since she see’s more actual play in the overall meta than the Garzetts last I checked.

@Ramsey276one 6 ай бұрын

@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire I was just playing one in Legacy of the Duelist! Tag Champ Maju G DARK Fiend Lv4 100 ATK 2200 If this card battles a monster while its ATK is different from it's original ATK, it cannot be destroyed or banished during that battle, also return this card to your Hand after Damage Calculation. If this card is flipped face-up (except Flip Summon) it's ATK is reduced to 0. You can return to your Hand one monster you control, Special Summon this card to the Main Monster Zone it was , also this card gain ATK equal to that monster's ATK on the field or it's original ATK for the rest of this turn.

@typhersgaming 6 ай бұрын

I won't lie theae videos have helped my dumb self. I got into the TCG at my locals and all the info I absorbed made me at least not look stupid XD Eveb helped a couple people

@helpimblind 2 ай бұрын

My.. my brain partially melted after this video...

@pashkodreshaj2558 6 ай бұрын

There are a few types of ATK/DEF changes in the game: The effects that changes it into a specific number like “Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind” or “Shrink”. The effects that update it like “Gren Maju Da Eiza” or “Axe of Despair. And within these effect there is 2 types as well: The ones that change the Original Stat like “Beast King Barbaros”. The ones that only change the Stat like “Black Pendant” Then there is the effect type of the stat changes which includes all of these but differs for these facts: An activated effect modifier, cards who’s effect you have to activate then they can leave the field and the stats stay the same like “Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind”, “Shrink”. A non-activated effect modifier, continuous effects that only last as ling as the card is in a specific place like Field, Hand, GY, example most old school Field Spells like “Sogen”, “Umi”, “Yami”, most Equip Spell, “Phantom Beast Cross-Wing” etc.

@NegativeNanase 4 ай бұрын

This is the type of shit that we need Duel Academy for. Separate the blues from the slackers

@Xeno_Solarus 3 ай бұрын

"Separate the blues from the slackers" lol, I love it. On another note, am I the only one who I would play a Yu-Gi-Oh GX RPG where you play a student and have to advance through the grades? I know there's a gba game and the first 3 Tag Duel games, but that's not exactly what I mean.

@NegativeNanase 3 ай бұрын

@@Xeno_Solarus I would absolutely love a remaster of those

@sethblackburn8067 5 ай бұрын

Yay, state based changes VS static effects, thanks Magic!

@Anonymous_Eyeballs 4 ай бұрын

They took one of the coolest win cons and drove it straight into the ground

@VoltitanDev 3 ай бұрын

With a channel like this who needs a duel academy

@Chazzvc 4 ай бұрын

Makes sense if you think about it like this. The cards atk becomes half the current atk. It's like gales effect permanently overrides Grens effect. if you book of moon gren it probably removes gales effect because it's no longer face up. I say probably because I haven't played yugioh in a decade and who knows where rulings ended up.

@trueSconox 2 ай бұрын

gales effect is a one of effect, not a permanent one. Else sayed, this is wrong.

@0f128 6 ай бұрын

Just commenting to come back to this one

@zearcjustice7837 5 ай бұрын

and they say having a duel academy is ridiculous

@Bigparr43 6 ай бұрын

I still say that Gren Maju Stromberg is the best gimmick deck. 2nd being Trickstar Burn and 3rd being Mayakashi Mill. So inconsistent, yet so hilarious

@franbh94 6 ай бұрын

I stg, Yugioh is the card game equivalent to 3 kobolds in a trenchcoat

@taylon5200 2 ай бұрын

I remember a deck i built back in the day around this card, basically banished half of both players decks with a trap combo, giving this dude monstrous values for a direct damage otk

@cristianDominguez314 3 ай бұрын

Wait ‘til they hear what happens when it is flipped face-down by a card effect and then flipped back to face-up attack position.

@yukimarusword Ай бұрын

Wut?!

@PhillyReese215 6 ай бұрын

I built a deck with this card and castle of stromberg... i don't need to say anything else. You're welcome.

@lightningfarronxp8899 6 ай бұрын

my current deck on master duel right now. use glif to get golden castle on the field asap. if i dont get glif on turn 1, use dimensional fissure or macro cosmos and stall. once golden castle is up, use hexe trude to stall until I get gren maju, necroface or eater of millions. the rest of the deck is handtraps and draw cards like upstart, pots, into the void etc. very fun and explosive deck but an absolute glass cannon.

@PhillyReese215 6 ай бұрын

@@lightningfarronxp8899 i use metaverse as well. Try using soul absorption to gain a crap ton of LP per turn.

@nunyabiznes33 6 ай бұрын

I need to try this in DL.

@terrykrugii5652 5 ай бұрын

Now add Eater of Millions and Gizmek Orochi

@resttrashtalker1413 4 ай бұрын

most comprehensive modifier ruling

@CntrazZombie4 Ай бұрын

This smells like someone making a bad ruling in a tournament and becoming law.

@supahfly8067 2 ай бұрын

This ruling seems to be ocg only. So a judge in a tcg event can rule otherwise if it comes up.

@chromathekitsune8193 4 ай бұрын

This is why I like Ghoti of the Deep Beyond Cause its effect changes its original attack, thus meaning it can revert back

@Buki_sandwich 5 күн бұрын

It's the wording from the black wing. Turns to half it's CURRENT so it gets locked.

@Naarukami 4 ай бұрын

Edison players knowing the Gale/Trag interaction are feeling smart today.

@DMAN99 6 ай бұрын

See, this is why I went to Duel Academy.

@alfonsopayan09 4 ай бұрын

This is why I’m glad i played thru TONS of games and hours All those GBA and NDS games show you all theses (old cards related) situations one way or another

@wingedbluj1674 3 ай бұрын

Superheavy Samurai Gigagloves: That's a nice ATK value you got there. Would be a shame if it suddenly became 0.

@Snivy-uy6oo 4 ай бұрын

Hecc Snek did not understand a damn word said in this video

@CelestialDeathscythe 6 ай бұрын

Thank u for including gale in this itineration of this series

@TheRyuSword 9 күн бұрын

So the continuous spell card which lowers the attack of monsters by 100xthe monster’s level hard counters this card since it’ll apply its effect immediately thus leaving it with an attack stat of 0.

@hanscascante7933 3 ай бұрын

Yup, i regret ever wondering why there was a Duel Academy, been playing that card wrong for years 🤣🤣

@trueSconox 2 ай бұрын

If maju has atk equal to the number of banished cards x400, how should gales effect still work, after the number of banished cards changes? since gale is a one of effect, while maju has a continuous effect, which needs to be reevaluated, each time the number of your banished cards changes, majus atk and deff should again be the number of exiled cards times 400. Your take on the matter makes no sense.

@xiongray 4 ай бұрын

OMG, yes. I remember this goofy ruling. It almost doesn't make sense except for, it's atk is halved, and it is what it is.

@luqmanghazi3104 5 күн бұрын

This card was my childhood dream to summon unfortuntly my deck was a mesh of other cards at that time still, the coolist card imo6

@JesskuHatsune 5 ай бұрын

Shit like this is why i tell people once you learn how to play Yu-Gi-Oh, you'll never get swindled from a contract

@ColonialImpactWrestling83 6 ай бұрын

Glad the sacred beast engine I splashed into my gren maju deck doesn’t have to contend with that

@MICHAELTUMANGDAY 3 ай бұрын

getting Malevolent Sinned/Compulsary Evac Device/Dimension transporter before Banishing cards will fix the boosting problem.

@TheRyutora 3 ай бұрын

You can flip it face down with something like book of moon for example and then flip it face up with final attack orders for example. It will reset its atk/def.

@LittleMoose1 9 күн бұрын

I remember back when you couldnt halve attacks of monsters with ??? For attack because they stated halve original attack and now they have it changed because rulings

@use_spore3512 5 ай бұрын

Glad to see Gren Maju in a vid. He is my favourite card in the entire game and got me to diamond in Master Duel.

@irochinmercado7339 2 ай бұрын

The reason why the ATK won't change isn't explained.

@ThatGirlYouForgot 3 ай бұрын

This is why I have only ever played Yu-Gi-Oh in videogame form, and even then I'm not good at it.

@AROAH 6 ай бұрын

It makes sense, to some degree. The new effect overrides the original effect, because it’s calculated after the card’s base effect.

@cragl3yman343 5 ай бұрын

Gotta love modulation rules

@rennenb 6 ай бұрын

Saw a win the other with a set Gren Maju and it’s the simple things that are the best

@solarisnova9530 4 ай бұрын

...... welp i just found my new beatstick for my inferno tempest/chaos end combo

@olddays1598 3 ай бұрын

I used to use this card and i always thought the more cards you banished it would keep going up in atk/def Kinda of like slifer

@clarafedde8674 6 ай бұрын

Easy to remember, but only applies to permanent atk change effects, the atk is restored if you use temporary like collapse\shrink. Dreadroot

@UnsealedRecollections 6 ай бұрын

That’s is a great ruling to go over there many time I’ve seen it and no one tells about it because cards like those don’t see common play

@beautifulstrange7057 6 ай бұрын

Lmao this game is way too confusing

@YV11110 6 ай бұрын

Duel Logs is teaching more than the starter decks omg

@leftysheppey 9 күн бұрын

Im not a Yu-Gi-Oh player, but the ruling, although doesnt seem immediately intuitive, does make sense. The way I think about this is: -Gren Maju comes in and makes a rule (being its atk/def) -new card comes in and makes a new rule about gren maju Theres a rule overruling a previous rule because of time stamps of that rule coming in

@wailmerwithinternetaccess7934 6 ай бұрын

"Its ATK becomes half of its original" and "Half it's original ATK" are different 😵😵😵

@asmyself4021 5 ай бұрын

Yep, this video misunderstood it. It would simply half each ATK added, that simple.

@Xeno_Solarus 3 ай бұрын

@@asmyself4021No, you clearly don't understand the ruling.

@edgyzackyt-edgelordzackari4889 5 ай бұрын

Goody Yugioh rulings at its finest

@AnotherVessel 18 күн бұрын

Black Garden causes the same thing. Found that out when meming in a 2010 format and opponent summoned Trag.

@Endersgamejp 4 ай бұрын

As a gren maju user, that makes sense.

@aym7291 4 ай бұрын

Wow, I might have not lost all those duels. Lol

@jameskirkland6916 5 ай бұрын

I feel much better about layers in magic now

@layachaz7318 5 ай бұрын

This is such a nightmare

@ScarletDeclan 5 ай бұрын

I appreciate that you specifically went out of your way to make a follow up video since so many people were arguing with you pretending gren maju isn't a complicated card

@Xeno_Solarus 3 ай бұрын

It isn't a complicated card. It may seem so at first, just like this ruling, but if you just a little bit of time learning it, it's pretty clear.

@Xeno_Solarus 3 ай бұрын

If anything is complicated here, it's not Gren Maju, it's the specific relationships between it and other cards. Aka the rulings.

@ScarletDeclan 3 ай бұрын

@@Xeno_Solarus well yeah but it still is worth a video

@amazing_me_0116 9 күн бұрын

HERO deck using Miracle fusion Summoning Wake your E HERO by banashing 17 monsters, and then summoning this guy like it's nothing.

@normangarcia8941 4 ай бұрын

This card together with micro cosmos , Necroface , Foolish burial, soul absorption , D.D dynamite and other D.D monsters and Supports that can make a removed from play and hand and deck destruction effects is my Go to deck that I end up a duel just to make my opponent's deck exhausted that he or she cantm't draw cards no more and my staple deck in the past 10 years , but this today i dont know

@PANDA8AKUMA 3 ай бұрын

I hate how alot of those old card that are very strong got nerfed then they produce diabelle kashitra and tearlament and labyrinth and traptrix. Or flower and they all have the most completely overwhelming effect based outside of loops based off the principle of. One time per turn

@777gers 3 ай бұрын

Nice i didn't know this, even though i not playing this game for a years in real cards

@zacharywheeler7703 Ай бұрын

I love the maju cards

@antonius.martinus 5 ай бұрын

I had a great duel with someone that was using a vanishing deck with maju. I was using a an og light/dark deck. I had used the effect of chaos empreror dragon envoy of the end, as well as sky scourge norleras's effect during the duel. He got monster reborn and brought his maju back with like 8300 and was about to attack directly, and the only card I had was effect veiler on the hand, so i brought his attack back down to 0. Then, on my next turn, I drew necroface and got it's attack to 4000 and attacked his maju for game 😂

@thatrandeguy 6 ай бұрын

We also have to take into account atk stat changes that also negate effects, like forbidden droplet. You'd think droplet would set gren maju to 0 however it halves its atk and then negates its effects, so it would stay at half until the end of the turn. However, effect negations that don't change atk stats are different, because they simply set gren maju's atk to 0.

@killingerk 6 ай бұрын

there's another old school card like it but I played this a lot back in the day Chaos Necromancer Fiend / Effect Monster The ATK of this card becomes the number of Monster Cards in your Graveyard x 300 points. usually this was my last resort if I have to play defense remember having tracked and spells basically made it and mute to everything when are you sure got up around 5,000 or moresometimes they just quit and didn't fight if I remember right the highest I got up to was 9,000

@elsquisheeone 6 ай бұрын

but muh King of the Skull Servants

@STEPHxCA 6 ай бұрын

If you try hitting it with veiler or imperm and your opponent chains concentrating current to double its attack, on resolution its atk will increase by its defense, then go back down to what it was before

@uchuzuihamaki 5 ай бұрын

So if I had to guess, it's because of the specific wording used. Particularly the word "becomes" I'm outta the loop with current rules, but if it said "reduce by" or "looses" x amount, wouldn't that allow his attack/Def to still fluctuate? Main thing I remember is that the smallest change in wording could make or break cards 😅

@some2043 5 ай бұрын

yes but even half and double are variations of become ,and unless it says until somepoint it applies as long the card is face up

@ANDELE3025 4 ай бұрын

Nope. Entirely just a ruling question. Prime example being the wicked avatar, who has the same wording in jp and contextually the same while having a different source of ATK scaling yet both cont effects, yet is a rare non-combat only attack modder that isnt given the "this makes no sense and goes against multiple pages of the rulebook" nerfbat via ruling.