Contra Force on the NES Is NOT Contra - When Konami Got Greedy | Retro Mysteries

[@SV-pv6km]

I Loved Contra Force! The low FPS never bothered me. It was my first experience with the ability to chose between multiple characters. It is probably my most played Contra game.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

That's cool man. I'm really glad you enjoy the game.

[@JAC3DG33K]

Glad I’m not the only person who loved this game back in the day. The farming for weapon upgrades was definitely a nice change of pace. It also tied me over until I got Contra Hard Corps on the Genesis for Christmas along with the GB version of Alien Wars

[@johanbee8757]

Same, had alot of fun with this game.

[@richbiles230872]

@@JAC3DG33K tide

[@brudel001]

Same here. Also I really liked the weapon upgrade thingy - made the game more replayable not to mention it kinda gave you idea of making choices.

[@landeny65]

I don’t care what anyone says-I had this game when it came out and I absolutely loved it!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Huge thanks to @MEGADAN29 @NESComplex and Chris Roberts for their help with gameplay footage and essential b-roll material to help bring this video to life. Please consider sharing this video. It really helps the channel. 🙏

[@jeffr1469]

Sweet. Welcome back. Love the videos. Keep them coming.

[@masterrserch3971]

Ya know I don’t even REMEMBER this game! Don’t think I played it!

[@PlanetoftheTapes]

Love the video, whens the next one?! Lol. Keep up the great work!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks @Jeff R - I really appreciate the support buddy

[@GenerationGapGaming]

You aren't missing much @MAsterr Serch lol

[@PatrickM-dm6sf]

Excellent job once again, I ove learning about these games I never tried back in the day

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Patrick! I try to make it worth your time to watch

[@applejuice281]

I had a bootleg version of this game when I was young and I had to say.. It had a banging soundtrack

[@jeppy4021]

me too

[@JT-nd6qp]

I always preferred this game to legit Contra. It's ambitious in the amount of stuff it tries to do for a NES game (destructible environments, moving platforms, switchable characters and weapons) and the soundtrack absolutely rocks. Just think of the slowdown as bullet time. ARC HOUND ftw.

[@johnathanlett4094]

Glad to see a new video from you. Good choice of a topic

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Johnathan! I thought it could make an interesting video. Hope it came together well.

[@johnathanlett4094]

@@GenerationGapGaming I honestly thought that the video came together perfectly. I really enjoyed it

Man, the music in the 2nd stage is one of the best of that era

[@schwaaard]

Great video--thanks for the work you put into these. ...And is that Paul Rudd at 01:37?!

[@ravinnox2640]

The Burns and smith thing gets weirder than you know. I first came across and played this game in 2006 while serving in the military. My last name...Burns..guy I worked with...smith. got a copy of this game and invited him over to give it a go as he was the first person to think me playing nes games was cool. Imagine our surprise when we booted up this game about the military and theres our names on the character select screen...minds....blown.

[@sebastian_manuells]

😄😄 What are the odds!b😄😄

[@roy12525]

If only the game wasn't so slow! It had the potential for being a great game.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

I completely agree dude!

[@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz]

There's a hack that fixes the slow down search Super Contra 6

[@BorsaMANIAC]

@@CookiesNCreme-ty6wz did it really? As far as I know the slowdowns were happening because the game really did push NES at its limits, and either devs didn't "push enough" because of the time&resources issue, or it is on fact a failed experiment when devs decided that they just cannot push the hardware that far and decided, instead of just scrapping, to make a cash grab. Either way, Contra 6 is a Chinese bottleg. There is no way that those people really did fiddled with a code and/or added hardware to the cartridge to make a game run smoother. Or did they? All the Chinese bootleggers usually did is hack games, remove copyrights, sell bootlegs. Sometimes they crappily ported stuff. The real effort is very rare coming from that front, although there is a good stuff like the 8bit port of SNES Aladdin. And I don't remember a smooth Contra 6 play either - slowdowns were there still. Maybe on an emulator it was better?

[@MRMAJOHNSEN]

this really is quite the contra-versy. nothing like it till when the NES classic had Super C instead of its superior ancestor - Contra

[@imperialjoe8023]

While both contra Nes games are great, Super C is better in my opinion. Even though I like super c better, I do think the first one deserves to be on the nes classic more. The first one is still great in its own right, and had a way bigger impact than Super C.

[@DialSforSam]

Good video. We still own the Contra Force game, but got it completely by accident. My brother let our cousin borrow Contra, and somebody happened to break in their house and steal the game. I can't remember who had a mail order game catalogue, but we ordered Contra, and wound up with Contra Force.

[@TheInfamousToney]

Love your videos, man. The content and presentation is awesome. It's like getting punched right smack dab in the nostalgia. Great to see another dad on here helping keep the retro games alive and relevant! Keep it up!

[@SteelyBud]

I'm not even a gamer and I still love your videos about the history of retro games. Great stuff!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Wow man! That really means a lot to me. I try to present it in a way for anyone to enjoy.

[@randominternetuser5872]

I just got reccomended this video, Thought this was from a channel that has a couple million subscribers, I didn't expect this channel to only having 50K subs, This channel is definitely underrated

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Wow! Thank you so much. It really means a lot to me ✌️🙏

[@Deconstruct0]

Living in KCMO we Love your videos. Candi and I are about to tackle Goonies 2 this weekend after seeing your review.

[@thenostalgiabusiness]

My cousin had this game when we were kids and we both loved it. Looking back, I attributed it to being a kid and not knowing better, and expected to hate it when I replayed it as an adult on an emulator. To my surprise, it wasn't that bad. It definitely doesn't feel like a Contra game, but it feels like a Konami game, if that makes any sense. I recommend giving it a shot if you're curious.

[@hgdagon]

5:37 I don't know why, but it warms my heart to know somebody liked my work enough for it to be useful.

[@cvbabc]

I don't know what it is about your channel, but it brings out a sentiment in me that other gaming channels don't. Seeing the instruction booklets, the old footage and how you present the information - and possibly even your southern draw, takes me back. I wish nothing but success for your channel.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thank you Clint. Very kind of you to say 🙏

[@urinefromuranus]

Very informative! Thanks G3! Love your content

[@JrodXX]

I love this channel now. Discovered it from the watching the Friday the 13th episode the other day and have been watching since. Keep up the fantastic content!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Jared! Glad to have you here man.

[@Andres33AU]

I found out about this game a few years ago, and always wondered why it never got talked about much. In the PAL regions, I don't think we ever got this game. We had Contra 1-3 (rebranded as Probotector due to censorship at the time) but we never got Contra Force. Very interesting to learn more about it!

[@WalkingRoscoe]

That's a very young Paul Rudd in that commercial.

[@Aquascape_Dreaming]

I thought no one was going to mention it 😂

[@WalkingRoscoe]

@@Aquascape_Dreaming Too late. Ha!!

[@JcDizon]

This is quite educational. I remember playing this game through emulation sometime during 1999-2001 and thought that it seemed to be an oddball in the Contra series and it seemed to resemble an American movie but I mostly ignored it. So all this time, Contra Force is actually the Super Mario Bros. 2 of the Contra series.

[@mullinsjm1]

Good video! I'm not much of a fan of that game, but I do like your fair and honest review of it. 👍

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Jeremy! I pretty much feel the same about the game.

[@childofcascadia]

I absolutely love your channel. I'm another gamer whos been gaming since I was a tiny proto gamer in the mid 80s - we're probably right around the same age. Your content is always well researched, interesting, and you make it very pleasant to listen to. Its become one of those channels that immediately go into my watch list when I see a new episode go up So much better than the annoying crap featured on most gaming channels. Thanks.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Wow! What a great comment. I really appreciate it. Definitely inspires me to keep creating content. Thanks for taking time to share with us.

[@darrenklein6090]

Thanks for the tip on the cart value - this one’s buried in box somewhere at my dad’s house.

[@PhilLeotardosGhost]

GREAT VIDEO. I had no idea there was a third "Contra" game on the NES. By that time I had already moved onto Super NES.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks man! I never saw back then either.

[@PhilLeotardosGhost]

@@GenerationGapGaming Your channel brings back so many memories. I'd love to see a video on Mega Man 1-6 on NES. You'd crush it, bro!

[@biz0unc3]

Great video, your videos just continue to evolve.

[@MartinGarcia-cc8fe]

Did anybody else notice that was Paul Rudd in the SNES comercial?

[@WewbaccaTheChookie]

I thought I recognized him... couldn’t quite place the face. I knew checking the comments would reveal all...

[@peterglen8396]

I love this channel so darn much. That is all.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Peter, thank you so much for saying that. Comments like yours keep me motivated to make more videos.

[@bruceaskew2107]

Me as well bro

[@JustinLeeper]

Thumbs up for using the SNES commercial starring (eternally) young Paul Rudd! Also, Gradius is pronounced like “grass,” per the Japanese spelling グラディウス

[@iniche]

Fun fact: A prototype version of Contra III was released online which shows the original title screen of Contra IV: The Alien Wars.

[@aaront8]

Can you do some more of the walk through videos? They're great.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

I definitely will. Thanks for letting me know you enjoy them. Helps steer me creatively.

[@ac2jones]

Yeah dude never beat legend of Zelda before, as an adult I work my @$$ off and don't have the time. Played through 3 times now and can't believe how awesome killing Gannon is! What a great walk through and best production value on all your videos! Man I wish you would do more videos!

[@ivanvargas2425]

Awesome video. Had never played it but just picked it up for $5. Definitely gonna resell it

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks. Man if you got that for five bucks that is a steal!!!! Great luck

[@tovopro]

Arc Hound would’ve made more sense if it took place in the Metal Gear Universe.

[@wafflestew4606]

Glad I found your channel, this is awesome

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks so much! Glad you are enjoying the videos.

[@0Fyrebrand0]

"Arc Hound" is actually a pretty cool-sounding name in a "smash two random words together" sort of way

[@0Fyrebrand0]

@MarSar Fishin' Parabola Pooch is pretty good.

[@biostem]

Your videos are always so good man. I learn so much every time. Thanks for these.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

You are welcome Matt. Really appreciate it buddy. I try to make it fun

[@MADHATTER1945]

Glory day! I basically stopped everything once I saw you put out a new video Tyler. Awesome content and the video is really well done

[@GenerationGapGaming]

I respect the dedication to watching Nick! 🙏

[@cacophonic7]

I believe “Gradius” is meant to be the English word “Gladius”, which is a type of sword. Gladius is pronounced “gla-dee-us”, so I tend to pronounce Gradius where the “grad” is pronounced the same way it is in “Graduation”. Love the video!

[@apocalypse930]

That's actually the intended way, since the katakana is グラディウス. Some in-game voice actor mispronounce it as Gray-Dius though.

[@masterrserch3971]

Oh nice, I just clicked on this by ACCIDENT cuz my phone wasn't locked lol... Can't wait to watch for real now!

[@invisiblehand13]

This channel is awesome. It's my favorite retro gaming channel. Generation Gap Gaming is better-quality and more informative than AVGN.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks so much @The Myke Show - I appreciate the kind words. You are too kind actually lol

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Hope you enjoyed when you got to watch buddy

[@Gatorade69]

@@invisiblehand13 I don't think being informative is what AVGN strives for.

[@Pixel-dan]

New G3 video is the best way to start a Friday!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Dan you just made my day buddy!

[@harryroberts2630]

Amen it is

[@dcrock1592]

Tyler!! Nice to see ya back bro!!!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks my friend. Nice to see you here too!

[@samuelc6834]

Dude! Awesome job! Of course now I just want to play Super C or Alien Wars on my Wii! I love your deep dives into the background stories of these games.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Really appreciate the kind words Samuel!

[@stacypare7955]

Great video my dude..keep up the hard work 👍

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Stacy! Have a great weekend.

[@madmike8764]

NICE!!NEW GGG!!WHERE YOU BEEN BRAH

[@bruceaskew2107]

I never played this 1 , nice video as always brother, im definitely gonna check it out now

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Bruce. I wouldn't be in a great hurry to play the game lol

[@af1762]

Never saw Contra Force as part of Contra universe anyway. Absolutely loved it as a kid. Still play it now. Was kinda always playing with Burns cause he jumps highest, but need to utilize other guys to their strenght.

[@pauldyson8098]

I've been waiting for a video on this since I first stumbled on a ROM of Contra Force like ten years ago!

[@Exodus_20_Deuteronomy_5]

Does up up down down left right left right start work on this one ?

[@Steve_ATL]

I discovered this title when I came across a copy and a store that mainly sold used VHS tapes bought from movie rental stores in the late 90s. It only cost a few dollars. When playing Contra Force, I immediately knew it was another Super Mario 2 USA situation.

[@raggeragnar]

Back from trip , first video to watch : THIS ONE. Extra interesting for a Swede to watch because back in the day , the morality-patrole had control over which ”toys” were appropriate to allow for the children. Contra got the cold hand. But we found our way around by having friends or relatives in Denmark or Germany buy and send them. Great video !!!!

[@markm4033]

Well lets see. Arc Hound, Fox Hound. Hmmm Metal Gear? Metal Contra? Lol. Yeah I played this games a few times and I couldn't get into it. Great video, I love how you make your videos, very informative. Think I'll give this game a go this weekend. And I haven't beat any of the games I said I'd play like Jaws for NES. I can barely get time to truly sit down and play. I will this weekend. Game on bro!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Wow! Never made those connections with Metal Gear and Fox Hound??? Always good to hear from you Mark. Have a great weekend.

[@thesummitbeforeyou]

Awesome video Tyler! Never played this one as a kid. Nice to see the history on it.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks man. The history may be more interesting than the game lol

[@ContraG]

I still have my copy! (lose unfortunately). I loved the game and I just accepted for what it was. Hey did you know you can do an infinity jump? Like in sonic boom, jump then pause the game and while still holding jump unpause! Rinse and repeat. It really comes in handy on the third stage!

[@JiuJitsuGuy24]

The easter egg joke made me laugh!!! Well played sir!😂

[@GenerationGapGaming]

😂. Glad you enjoyed it

[@luismatus6743]

Another great video! I'd never heard of this game. Thanks so much! P.s. I love your Back to the future poster. (Best movie ever)

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Glad you enjoyed it! I love BTTF too obviously lol

[@7thangelad586]

Any co-op game is worth a shot, but this one is at the bottom of my list. Reminds me of Gun Force on the SNES. Great to see the upload, G3! Hope you’re staying well during the coronavirus pandemic!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Great to hear from you buddy. Yeah the family and I are doing well. Hope you and yours are as well.

[@GhostTruck67]

This is great, first video of this channel I watched. I was like "why does this dudes accent sound like someone around where I live?" then it cut to him wearing a WV hat. I'm born and raised and lived in WV most my life. I loved this game as a kid. OG Contra, never got a chance to play Force.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Chase! Awesome you are from WV too. I grew up in Logan. Great to have you here

[@GhostTruck67]

@@GenerationGapGaming For real? I'm from and currently live in Williamson at the moment. So that's absolutely crazy that we lived like 15 minutes away from each other lol. I was in Logan just the other day.

[@8voices]

The way you said D N M E was worthy of a subscribe imho! Had to hit the subscribe button.

[@SoulforSale]

I did not shift into the 16-bit era until 2018

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Lol! I'm almost the same way

[@edmundasj]

Loved that game. It had one of the best graphics in NES, at least from the games I had. I recently fired up batocera and was surprised how actually hard it is - it felt comparatively easy back in the day.

[@sgtlegacy7]

I love me some GGG! Couldn’t get home fast enough to catch this video, so let’s get started👍🏼👍🏼

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Yes! Hope you enjoyed buddy

[@johnnygrind77]

Wow, Paul Rudd in a SNES commercial. NEAT!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

I know right? Caught me by surprise.

[@GoatOfTheWoods]

Well, without people to tell me what to think, this was my favourite Contra game when i was a kid. Still love it today

[@KnuckNFutz]

Again, love the video!! Question, I watched the video where your son tries to best 7 bosses (great video), where did you get that shirt? I have a Punch Out shirt myself, but that one is cool. Where can I get it?

[@joshuariddensdale2126]

The blonde Contra guy kinda looks like Duke Nukem.

[@Video-Games-Are-Fun]

a less constipated strider on the sega genesis box art

[@GenerationGapGaming]

😂

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Joshua you are right. They look almost identical!

[@joshuariddensdale2126]

@@GenerationGapGaming Not that I've ever played any Duke Nukem, but I've watched walkthroughs of the 3D World Tour release (the 20th anniversary re-release containing 5 episodes).

[@reagandow850]

Joshua Riddensdale NO DOUBT!! ;)

[@leroylawrence2773]

I remember playing that game on a black & white tv and you know how that went! But being a true young gamer we were still able to finish it! Woot woot

[@denysuhendraproject5251]

I really loved to play Contra Force back in the day I dont even know the title until recently

[@thecunninlynguist]

It's sad Konami wants to sweep It's entire gaming legacy under the carpet. You'd think COVID might have sparked some fire to get back into gaming, since all the pachinko machines and such would be out of commission for a while...

[@GenerationGapGaming]

It is super frustrating man

[@megadan2988]

awesome episode man, loved it. I actually really liked the game but could see why ppl could b disappointed in it

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks MegaDan! Appreciate all of your help with the gameplay footage. You're the man!

[@mentosvagabond]

I beat this game when I was 10 and accidentally found a bug that give infinite life. Still listening to the ost every now and then. Now I know why there's no Contra Force 2.

[@sarmatiko]

It's amazing how different is perception of some games in different regions. While it may seem that Contra Force failed and kind of disliked in official Nintendo regions (NA, EU), in post-soviet market with unlicensed Famicom clones (Dendy) this game was kind of popular and still considered by many as true part of the series to this day. I was kind of disappointed that it wasn't included in that Contra Anniversary Collection that was released recently - even if it's just some other game with added "Contra" title, it's still a decent game and already part of Contra history. It's the same with Super Mario Bros. 2 - we don't pretend it doesn't exist because it's Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic with Mario name, isn't it?

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Wow! Very cool to hear it from a different perspective. I appreciate you sharing your experience.

[@sarmatiko]

@@GenerationGapGaming yeah in 91-92 when SNES was already released in US and most players probably switched to newer generation, we only started getting Famicom clones and pirate cartridges from Taiwan. Those clones remained popular almost until 2000s and competed with only with Megadrive in households (SNES never gained any popularity). As a plus side, through Chinese pirates we got full Nintendo library from all regions all at once so a lot of late games like DuckTales 2 were widespread and common everywhere and some games like Battle City (never released in US) gained cult following.

[@shekharmoona544]

How the hell do you use the cheat code on the super Nintendo classic mini Contra III.

[@deafomega]

this was one of my favorite nes games as a kid.

[@Damiq17]

Me too. Imo Contra Force > Contra

[@hadjiioke]

I never even knew this game existed. Thanks for the entertaining content!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

You are more than welcome Rick! I am just glad you enjoy watching

[@amazonviking]

This was a very good review of this obscure cult classic. Yes, there are people who liked it. I remember I got this one and Mega Man 6 on the same xmas. I remember that I was kinda shocked there was a Contra I didn't heard of. I gave it a good try and I felt it was way off the series, I remeber I took it out, put in Mega Man 6 and it stayed in my console for several months. I didnt came back to Contra Force until much later in 1995 or 96 when I came home from college. I saw my old NES and decided to plug it and blow some steam. I grabbed Contra Force, wondering why I never played it, the frustratingly high challenge curve early on in the game helped me a lot, now having played harder games it seemed kinda natural. The game to me felt more like an alternate Metal Gear kind of game. I enjoyed it for several months. I feel so sad that I sold this and all my NES games back in the late 90's to Game Stop none of the less! You know I got ripped!

[@RussLyman]

amazing backstory that I never knew. I died laughing when you read the manual and it said the the bad guys were called D.N.M.E. 😂

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Russ. I mean yeah how corny is DNME??? 😂

[@halfshark101]

Well done video once again, very informative as well! My son and I play the original Contra at least once a month (ya, with the cheat code lol) and is a favorite for sure! Keep up the great content 👌

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Nothing wrong with using the Konami code buddy lol. Glad you and your son play together.

[@jpmunoz6518]

4:33 Top left corner. I finally found your son in one of these!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Great eye there buddy!

[@random-artifacts]

I’d chose this one over any other Contra game. Played SO MUCH of this growing up.

[@brockalbert5111]

The Simpson's was a pretty good theory. I certainly wouldn't put it past programmers who named the enemy D.N.M.E.

[@NipseyEternal99]

Great video 👍🏽 I did play that game and I thought it was horrible specially the slow down fps with only a few enemies on screen

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thank you my friend. The slow down is mind boggling!

[@rangoononline]

Wow, this is really informative. I always hated this game with a fiery passion for all the reasons you mentioned. It seemed like an LJN Contra game. If I would have known that it was just some other random okay game, I might have played past the first stage. Great video!

[@gmw1701]

A lot of good memories playing the original Contra. Still play it when we can get the old gang together to this day. I didn’t know about Contra Force. I think I remember hearing about it but I never saw the game play till today!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Yeah the OG Contra is an all time classic. Contra Force......not so much lol

[@PragmatikReviews]

I bet the localization team may of been having some fun with those names. And I gotta say I'm digging your increase of cut-in's. Good bit of history in the long running line of Contra!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Joey. Glad you enjoy the cut ins. Just trying to bring some levity.

[@felipeguimaraes1359]

It's the SMB 2 of the Contra series!

[@thebatman9683]

Excellent Job! 🤓👍

[@reagandow850]

I was thinking about you guys just the other day. This is a great episode man! Say hi to the kids for me and take care of yourself my friend. Edit: I’m going to get tarred and feathered for this but I kind of like Contra Force. ;)

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks Reagan. I will tell the kids you said hi. It's ok that you like Contra Force. We won't hold it against you lol

[@reagandow850]

GenerationGapGaming - Hahahaha Thanks man. You sure are a great pal! 👍 ;-)

[@XMattingly]

Way back in the 90’s, getting cast in a video game commercial was your gateway to playing a superhero in a major motion picture. 🐜

[@segamatthews5023]

The game definitely didn't feel like contra. Games are supposed to get better. It would make more sense if this was Contra part 1 but it's not it's the third one in the series. Great video again.

[@P1983sche]

Ha. “17” Easter egg...good stuff. Your theater room looks cool too.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Lol I'm glad you thought that was funny. I came up with that during the last phases of my research and thought it may be a fun little joke. Thanks for the kind words about the theater. Always was a dream of mine to have one when I finally "grew up"

[@RainePhoenix]

Bad as this game is, I have always had a soft spot for its soundtrack. It still has that classic Konami/Contra feel and it makes you want to blow stuff up.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

I will say that the music is good. I agree with you on that. I maybe should have mentioned that.

[@ReaperX7]

If memory serves, the developers eventually retconned Contra Force to be in the Contra World timeline, but set out as the first game in the timeline placed well before the events of Contra before the Triumvirate stole the alien artifact and started the Alien Wars, and was the origins of the team lead by Bill and Lance, and if I remember Burns was supposed somehow related to Bill after the Retcon, but it was only a Retcon to mask a terrible decision by Konami.

[@Yuuretsu]

I'd heard of this game and even tried it out once knowing that it wasn't really a Contra title. Interesting to learn about its development cycle. It was never released in Europe and I could see why. The slowdown was egregious and it didn't really feel like a Contra game. Not a bad game persé and the squad formula was later used in Contra Hard Corps

[@Th3Gam3925]

I guess the American Super Mario Bros 2 is NOT a Super Mario Bros game then.

[@ConstantineFurman]

The thing is that SMB2 was originally developed to be a true SMB2. Miyamoto was big about not repeating the same thing twice ("Zelda II" for example), so he wanted this new Mario game to be able to move not only forwards and backwards, but up and down as well. However, that whole Doki Doki Panic thing came about and they hurriedly reskinned the game for that release. This left Miyamoto without a second Super Mario Brothers game, so he took the mechanics of the first game, amped up the difficulty, and put it out. Because Nintendo of America deemed the Japanese SMB2 too difficult for American players, Miyamoto took the Doki Doki Panic game and converted it back into the Mario sequel it was meant to be from the start. Sometimes, things just have a way of working out.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

I feel the people who responded to this comment summed it up perfectly.

[@Th3Gam3925]

@@GenerationGapGaming So which is the Real SMB2 and which is NOT a real SMB2? The Japanese version or the American? By your logic, both CAN'T be a real SMB2.

[@JLuv81]

Awesome video!! I never played Contra Force but it definitely plays nothing like Contra lol.

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks JLuv! Yes it is nothing like Contra or Super C. I know you are very skilled at those two games

[@johnl9067]

Whatz up guy! I've missed ya bro!

[@GenerationGapGaming]

Thanks John. I miss putting out videos as regularly too. Glad you still enjoy watching.