When Should You Hard Clear and When Should you Fight From the Threshold? CQB Planning Basics in DK2

[@DracoAvian]

I'd like to see medical expanded upon in this game. Like if your operator gets hit, usually that's not going to be lethal right away since your body army usually covers all vitals. Head, eyes is a thing, but that would be those amazing crits the opfor sometimes get. I'm saying when your guy is hit in the arm or leg you'd have to let him apply a TQ in 15 seconds or so or be in danger of going unconcious. Then with the wound they'd be worse in the fight, slower movement on a wounded leg, slower aim on a wounded arm. Unconscious soldiers can be stabilized by buddies and carried to extract. Buddies with no interventions or worse, left behind, become casualties in a campaign mode or lost stars in regular maps.

[@acesarge2]

I wish medical stuff would be a bigger part of tactical games in general.

[@thebattlefieldproject6013]

@@acesarge2 It always runs into the problem of not being medical enough for the people who know medicine and then being too medical for the average person.

[@billfill]

@@acesarge2 Same man. I wish they would also make the actual process of breaching bigger in games. Like how much charge or what type of charge to use on different doors/walls/etc. If a game actually incorporated overpressure that would be the bees knees.

[@BattlesuitExcalibur]

That's the thing with most kinds of simulations. The designers have to choose the level of fidelity they are willing to commit to at the outset. If you have something high fidelity, but not accessible (easy to show to people, easy to learn), you end up with fewer highly satisfied users. On the other hand, something that has low fidelity but very accessible, gets more, but on average less satisfied users. You can't transition into higher fidelity games from lower fidelity games (or vice versa) without losing people. @BattlefieldProject is correct, in that as you add more simulated elements, users familiar with those simulated elements are left marginally less unsatisfied (everyone wants their job simulated perfectly), while people without that background just get a more difficult game.

[@gavins9846]

Yea exactly, that would be real cool. The Medics are halfway in the game already, so the chance of this system coming in is good.

[@vucko9201]

I really like smaller maps rather then big ones, you have less things to take care of and more CQB

[@RM-vp4wg]

I 100% understand this. But, what I have learned in the larger maps is Patients! It’s easy to use good CQB tactics and security for the first 10ish minutes, but 45min in on your 5th building…it’s easier to get lazy and complacent.

[@civilprotectionunit8145]

Same

[@nomirrors3552]

I think it's extremely valuable to recognize risk exists and you can't eliminate it, only reduce it. The guy who died might have been doing the right things and still only managed to reduce the risks. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us.

[@vectorvital]

As cinematic as the larger and complex maps are to watch, I enjoy watching these smaller scale maps more.

[@Spark-dl7hu]

Same ,fun,cinematic,and the best.using grenades

[@Spark-dl7hu]

Also kinda sus

[@spacetexan8695]

When clearing my own house there is a TERRIBLE spot in my living room/kitchen that’s a cqb nightmare 😬

[@creature3628]

You know where to go when defending your house then :P

[@Spider-Too-Too]

you can prob wall bang your kitchen or you can double down and reinforce your kitchen with concrete and leave a murder hole in the middle of the fortification. so any bad guy try to bust in you can hide in your kitchen and kill them all in the fatal funnel.

[@6tyjh]

I wish that the number of soldiers you have available was editable without going into the map editor. Having a 8-10 man squad just as a base unit throughout the levels would make the experience a lot less gamey. That plus a permanent ironman mode would also reduce the amount of sprinting into gunfights that most players are willing to do.

[@Caligari87]

Remember that DK2 is still in early access, despite its overall high level of polish. Right now only the "skirmish/quick mission"-type mode is in the game. The original DK had campaigns with ironman modes, permadeath, squad management, skill upgrade trees, etc. All of that and more is coming.

[@carlosglufke2]

Now there is a supression system... basically, if your man is targeted by 3+ people, he ducks in fear, if he is behind cover you pray they dont toss grenades

[@steven.2602]

@@carlosglufke2 I honestly think they just need to remove the ability for your soldiers to get pinned. I'm fine with the basic suppression effect- infact I actually think its a good addition, but there's times where you've rounded the corner to an MG nest, and you literally cant do shit since the game's already taken control away from you before you could pause the game.

[@carlosglufke2]

@@steven.2602 allow me to disagree Most of the times the enemies dies before being supressed anyway, even on suport's supressing fire, so the mechanic is 100% againt the player. If you are under heavy fire behind cover, it acually saves you, by force crouching you behind the cover (watch out for grenades). If you get Supressed before pinned, you could crouch and toss some nades yourself, wich is far more usefull. Before it, the only way to punish the player for bad positioning or rushing in was to hit (or kill, like the ranger that got 1 shot) the player. If hit, game could become too dificult. If unharmed, too easy. With a "frozen" or "stuned" troop, you are one man down but with enough information to bring him back if you are bunched up enough to respond quickly

[@macdjord]

The problem is, IRL if the outcome of the battle is in doubt when you enter it, you've already screwed up. In a game, if the outcome *isn't* in doubt, you don't have a game.

[@Drakefance5]

Peanut got ruined by that insurgent. Alot of smaller custom maps will give enemies M4 carbines or M1911s which will 1 shot operators in the majority of cases. Very punishing.

[@austin6ish]

It would be dope if someone made a map that allows for explaining and showing different battle drills. I think that would be cool to help explain some basic concepts for a 101 in the game.

[@Spider-Too-Too]

the control paired tribute toliet map

[@austin6ish]

@@Spider-Too-Too lmao just variations of suicide bombers rushing you or immediately clacking off around hostages.

[@Thenlar]

Small maps my favorite! Glad you're onto workshop missions. Some of these are really fun! And yeah, there are multiple places for the HVT to spawn. I've done this map a few times, I usually find him in that lounge area.

[@piparkucinawow]

Quick thing for example if you're next to a door above the action wheel there's a button to switch between movement and the door options. Maybe this will help someone with their door kicking.

[@parappasan]

One change I'd like is to default to some elements of a platoon, maybe one squad on primary assault, and some other types for the SBF position or sniper and isolation. Even on small maps you can have two guys forward cross-covering down the hall and keep the others hanging back in support then have a support come up whenever they need a 2man on a door. having a full squad on primary also lets you do the Ranger style stuff where you're not doing really deliberate clears but push quick through the structure. And the high speed stimulus driven clears (which apparently these guys are like RRC or the Unit since they're doing it) that also should be able to flood a structure.

[@therazgriz0079]

The Return of the Threshold King

[@dasd6132]

That one shooter probably had an 1911. That thing was also shredding through my forces

[@Spider-Too-Too]

mod map with bad guys with m4 and 1911 shows how unfair the vanilla game is. turn out its not my operators being bad ass over the enemy, it's just the weapon. if the enemy with m4 has a drop on my soldier, my soldier is dead.

[@Bttl71958]

I’ve been waiting for these custom map gameplays, great video.

[@icarusgaming6269]

That yellow operator was positioned to both watch the gate and the surrendering insurgent. You could've moved the other guy off the gate a long time ago so you didn't have to enter with only one gun

[@thatguy593]

Love your content my friend, also as someone who has never been in the military it’s pretty awesome to watch you work and to see how you think. Keep it up

[@chrisxxx4714]

seeing real combat tactics in a video game is soo interesting and immersive! Your commentary is so accurate and analytic, i love that!

[@ryandoty6048]

I'm not a big fan of this strategy, but if there are surrendering insurgents in REALLY bad positions, (enemy taking cover behind prisoner, etc.) you can flash them, at which point the surrendering insurgent will drop his hands and get blasted.

[@aoelobi]

thats fucking dirty

[@StevenL00]

@@aoelobi moral of the story: don't be an insurgent, ever

[@neobaggins3718]

I’m excited for this! DK2 is a super good tool to illustrate tactics. As in, I had a general idea of what I thought I should be doing, then played Zero Hour and the bots were just destroying me. Then I watched more of your DK2 videos and actually paid attention, and being able to see a top down representation of what approximately you should be doing is so helpful!

[@Travio247]

I like that you upload the imperfect ones as well as the perfect

[@samueladams2080]

I played this map a few weeks ago with a few gun restrictions. Secondaries only. Very very fun.

[@Erick_Bloodaxe]

I think you were compromised by the INS at the workbench. You guy can see through the gap in the curtain before he cleared that window, which was the same gap he was working in front of. I think he saw your stack go by and he just did the French Salute preemptively to play it safe.

[@vanarcken113]

I’ve been subbed for months and follow you on IG. Really like all of your content, keep up the good work. DK2 is my favorite!

[@kickwriteteach2313]

in real life, if you have a window with a curtain, how would you clear the curtain?

[@YIGloomy2Day]

I think they would't remove curtain, just point it with the gun. and never stay front of door/window. so they won't get blind shot.

[@721pjm]

Im certainly no oper8or but I would imagine you could just firmly grasp it and pull pretty hard and the curtain rod would break or come down.

[@saulohernandez9655]

FIRMLY GRASP IT

[@Eralen00]

@@saulohernandez9655 and pull pretty hard

[@RM-vp4wg]

“Break and rake” you literally grab it and pull it out while someone else is covering the window.

[@TTRTIM]

Oh I think I committed a war crime when I played this level. I fragged the dude who was surrendering

[@mythmonster5522]

Awesome stuff mate

[@costbubbles8336]

thank you so much for introducing me to this game. i used the last bit of steam money i had to get it lmao.

[@pranjalmajumdar3326]

Ayye back to the basics😎

[@Jacob_Proto]

Best mil gaming channel on youtube. No debate. CPG NEVER MISSES

[@ck12ms]

Great vid as always Pairs!

[@Mob1leN1nja]

Insert Kermit yelling Yay gif here.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

❤️

[@elliotolson5335]

Love these videos, keep em comin 😁👌

[@jayswizzle57]

Good shit👍

[@JefferyHHaskell_Author]

Love this!

[@YOLO-nx3xy]

i hate how the enemies just come running around the corner blasting before they see anything, i mean they want to live right?

[@LQ...]

Your next onward vid gonna b a banger I’m already knowin

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Tuesday

[@tacticooltaco]

Yo pairs, I posted a map some time ago, you said that I should post it in discord so you wouldn’t forget it but where do you want it?

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Send it in media and links and tag me

[@tacticooltaco]

@@ControlledPairsGaming i think i already did can you check?

[@tacticooltaco]

@@ControlledPairsGaming pairs?

[@jonathanroberts8855]

thank you for not encouraging war crimes, despite the fact the surrendering guy was a huge problematic situation. there's so many people that would've just much rather shot that guy dead despite his surrender.

[@jonathanroberts8855]

@@micaheiber1419 shooting a surrendering enemy is considered a war crime by US law, the ICC, the Geneva Convention, the Brussels declaration, the Oxford manual, and UNTAET regulations. And many many other recognized treatises and instruments. Violating rules of engagement is similarly a war crime. I pray you are not actively serving. If you are please please please go to your local jag office and confirm with them that shooting a surrendering enemy is a war crime, hopefully they will save you time in military prison.

[@ryean1_aus]

He dropped a c*nt.

[@Mr133mike]

yo, i like tis dope stuff comment for the algorithm

[@carlosglufke2]

They could hear your man running to cover explosive breach plant

[@eamonmaloney9263]

super cool!

[@notaname8140]

Not that it's particularly important, but I'm pretty sure the thing you said looks like an engine at 8:50 is a bench grinder, you can see the 2 grinding wheels with guards and the motor in the middle

[@TENGILL]

I was on episode 22, but wanted to skip to see the latest video. Now i am going back to episode 22 and watching the rest of the videos. Looking forward to se the evolution of the game.

[@chillrock5978]

Could you do a CQB theory lesson like this but in onward please? That would be awesome. Great vid

[@garrettl8247]

so question for you. at around 4:35 you say a innocent in reference to a person who isn't armed. but wouldn't they be classified more as a none combatant since they are part of a terror group. but just not armed. just curious the line between a civ and a none combatant.

[@badkarma2761]

Could you consider going back and playing the OG Door Kickers and see if there are many differences between the new one?

[@Tim51564]

Love the content, howd you learn all this terminology and tactics? Self taught? Milsim? Service? Keep it up, catching up on the backlog of awesome videos

[@carsonquigley3658]

I commented so more people see it like you said ;)

[@sonnycorleone9615]

Bro can you do a replay and kill everyone on the map ? Please haha I feel a little cut short

[@lordevilgaming850]

I’ve been trying to complete as much missions as I can solo as a personal challenge to myself and would like to see if you’re up for the challenge would be dope

[@jaanikaapa6925]

And this, folks, is why I use large calibers.

[@blueberries8985]

cool

[@joncostello7490]

Wondering why you didnt clear compound and leave a shooter watching the whole street first... flush them out from the back right into the street?

[@Eralen00]

I've seen other people going in with pistols as a primary weapon for smaller maps. I'm not sure because I don't have the game, but it seems to me they have much faster target acquisition with a pistol in very close quarters. i can't find stats or info about this but maybe this would be a good map to test it out

[@wisnoskij]

I know when you stand near walls characters lower rifles, which I assume is bad.

[@AvocadoSmoothiee]

Buddy got bodied by peekers advantage 😭🤚🏽

[@gavkay763]

you going loud me copleted this map stealth

[@Nikolas100o10oao]

I swear these insurgents are better shots than the operators now...

[@endphen]

can you name one of your operators Cornpop?

[@echo3568]

Quick response squad where are you

[@almerindaromeira8352]

He was in the fatal funnel...

[@iancorder6133]

Remember to comment to promote the vid and help get Pairs paid.

[@jondbaptist3694]

"I don't think there's going to be women working around the car" Me: ok ok My wife: what he just say? 😆

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

I mean it's the middle east 🤣

[@jondbaptist3694]

@@ControlledPairsGaming 😆 enjoying your content. This is the next game i buy & definitely from your store

[@darkmagician4697]

Sacrifice to the algorithm

[@sneakerfeen1990]

E X P O S U R E

[@militarybuff7107]

how do you pie im new to the game and i only figuerd out how to tell them where the look

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Hold shift

[@militarybuff7107]

@@ControlledPairsGaming thanks didn't think you would respond great video by the way

[@warbsii1769]

anyone know how to set my guys to pie something off?

[@zeetack8625]

CHALLENGE try todo a level with no pauses if u do u failed

[@AViewCado69420]

Drummer saw his teamates die in different times. Poor drummer

[@KaDaJxClonE]

This compound, with its separate living space for women away from men, is very Afgani.

[@TerribleGamesTV2]

imagine using BD6. just frag that mf kek

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Facts. Except civilians and all that.

[@TerribleGamesTV2]

@@ControlledPairsGaming fax fax

[@wisnoskij]

Any reason to just not throw a grenade at the surrendering insurgent?

[@1.blazeIT]

So where'd you obtain all this knowledge huh? Is your day job teaching tactics to navy seals?

[@ryean1_aus]

Most of it has been on the internet for a few decades. But he's former Military so experience counts.