Controlling Shure ULX-D Receivers from Yamaha CL/QL Consoles

[@tillrotter1729]

There is one very important setting (at least in the CL firmware version 5) that can prevent remote control, that is not mentioned in the video. In the SETUP/NETWORK/FOR DEVICE CONTROL page the IP address TYPE must be manually selected to be either DHCP or "Auto IP" (better known as link local). Because if you have a DHCP server on your network and the device you want to control has a DHCP address while your console has an Auto IP address (or vice versa) control will be impossible. The device will still appear in the mountable device list though and Dante audio will work. The reason is, that most remote controllable Dante devices use two IP addresses on their primary Dante port; one for Dante audio itself, and another one for control signals. Any other network device I've ever dealt with will AUTOMATICALLY detect whether there is a DHCP server on the network and obtain an address from that and otherwise default to link local ("Auto IP"). Why Yamaha chose to make this a setting that has to be actively made frankly beats me. On the Tio stagebox this setting is made using the dip switches 5+6 on the rear panel. Same on the Rio V1 stagebox (dip sw. 2+3). The Rio V2 thankfully has a true Automatic IP mode.

[@Ben_O3149]

Doesn't he demonstrate this in the video? Are you talking about when he configures the ULX receiver and switches the audio and control setting to automatic? Or are you referring to a different setting on the console?

[@tillrotter1729]

I can see that I was probably not making myself clear enough: I'm talking about a setting in the CL/QL console's setup. The point I was trying to make is, that while Shure devices that are set to automatic IP will obtain a valid IP adress EITHER from a DHCP Server or a find a link local address for themselves (169.254.x.x), you have to tell the console explicitly which of the two you are using; otherwise remote control may not be possible.

[@Ben_O3149]

@@tillrotter1729 I see. I think he covers this in another video actually. On the console, it’s under Network > device control correct? Then you set the console to automatic and the Shure devices to automatic correct?

[@tillrotter1729]

@@Ben_O3149 Yes 👍🏻

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[@bennettgolden7537]

By doing this, does this create a bridge on the network with control and dante?

[@simonomis04]

If we use 2 mixer console (foh & monitor) can sign both of them?

[@soundgineering4771]

Great video! If I use a Dante Speaker system and if my speakers are very far away from the console and that exceeds the limit of Dante RJ45 6e cable length limit of I believe 300Ft, or meters; how can I use that Dante speaker without using any XLR cables? Use a Switch in the middle to reset the wire length limit?!

[@JBF-GST-Tanda]

Yes. Make sure that your switch supports gigabit connection and has its Energy Efficient Ethernet function turned off. The stagebox can be connected to the switch too.

[@calderwood9641]

Any clue to why I'm able to get my microphones(ULXD's) to work over Dante(into my QL1) but I am unable to adjust the HA or see battery life/RF meters?

[@lordrhavin]

Have u solved this issue?

[@ericmatland9734]

I've managed to get this to work on the CL5 with no problems. I then removed the CL5 from the network, rebooted everything with the same settings and just put the QL5 onto the network instead, and I cannot get it to work. When I reboot with the CL5 on the network I have no problem. I have YET to get this to work with the QL5. What gives!?! Both boards running the 4.02 firmware. I'm just seeing now that there is a 4.04. I guess I need to see if they fixed it.

[@ericmatland9734]

I've done this setup with a ULXD4-Q and both a CL5 and a QL5 running in redundant dante mode. Gave the ULXD a Yamaha ID per the video but found out that the CL5 doesn't have to have the yamaha ID mode turned on. The QL5 even with the yamaha ID mode hasn't worked yet for me. Also, contrary to literature on the yamaha website (download.yamaha.com/api/asset/file/?language=en&site=countrysite-master.prod.wsys.yamaha.com&asset_id=67996) I can use my router as a DHCP server so my control network is more easily managed and built on the same network as my dante audio network. Again, this has worked fine on the CL5 but everything being equal, does not work on the QL5.

[@remopns]

Working in a house where at some point the CL1 lost the ability to see the ULX battery level etc. I'm trying to reconnect it. The device mounts, but when I click the ULX button on the "Wireless" page it doesn't flash the lights on the ULX unit and remains in the same state. Any ideas why this might occur?

[@remopns]

Solved: CL1's device control IP address was off from the ULX, once I switched it, they linked up.

[@remopns]

How do you switch a channel back to normal gain mode? Mine are stuck on RX. gain and I have no control of my gains now.

[@tillrotter1729]

Hi Brendan, are you looking for a way to control gain because the RX gain is not working or in addition to the RX gain? If so, you might switch GAIN KNOB FUNCTION to digital gain in the SETUP/USER SETUP/PREFERENCE window to have an additional gain to the RX gain. Otherwise, the "normal" gain should reappear once you patch a console input or a Tio/Rio input to that channel. In any case you probably solved that issue already. 😊 Cheers!

[@personperson9591]

So these mixers are no longer made? I can't seem to find them anywhere for purchase, shame because I was building several Shure ULX systems and this looked perfect, and Shure doesn't say the new TF line is compatible, so I'm going with what I'm comfortable from Midas.

[@Kyosuke2]

The CL and QL consoles are for sale at professional audio dealers. You won't find them at Banjo World.

[@personperson9591]

@@Kyosuke2 huh I didn't think B&H, the largest supplier of professional AV equipment wasn't considered professional, but ok, especially since they sell the TF console and Midas consoles that cost $50k.

[@smallbrandproductions6906]

@@personperson9591 TF consoles do not cost anywhere near 50K.

[@personperson9591]

@@smallbrandproductions6906 bad punctuation, was saying they carry just about everything, from Yamaha TF consoles to Midas Pro consoles costing 50k, so they carry expensive pro gear, and even Yamaha gear so they are an authorized vendor, and is one of the largest AV supplier in the world, but for some reason these consoles aren't on there. It was in response to a comment that implied I shop for AV gear at unprofessional locations.

[@smallbrandproductions6906]

@@personperson9591 Most high end console manufacturers don’t put there consoles on third party websites.

[@ankrumc]

Yeah, will the Shure wireless work with the TF5?

[@smallbrandproductions6906]

You cannot control the ULXD from a TF5 console.

[@scottross3847]

Has anyone else made this work?I followed the directions and I was still not able to make this work. The console and receiver are both on the latest firmware versions. Does this need to be on the newest dante firmware update also?

[@patrikwipp]

+Scott Ross, Me to no luck! Hope someone is monitoring this feed! I have the latest Dante in my console.

[@ericmatland9734]

what model board? what firmware? see my comments above

[@CedricLathan]

I tried this setup, rebooted the system and it came up for about :05 seconds as controllable and then went away.

[@ericmatland9734]

what model board? what firmware? see my comments above

[@diegohmiranda100]

Nice. Very simple.

[@satishkhade3336]

can we connect senhiser microphone or iem

[@smallbrandproductions6906]

No

[@The07059]

4:00 up to 24 device?? that means if i chose the 4 channel model, i can have up to 96 (4 x 24) wireless microphnoe??

[@pattalouis5844]

Je suis là pour bien comprendre la console pour moi c'est la première fois que je l'utilise en plein concert

[@ezbarroso99]

when TF series, when?

[@smallbrandproductions6906]

TF series is a low-end digital console. You need to spend more to get features like this.

[@TruongNguyen-mu8hi]

He's looks like sleepless ? His eyes so dark

[@raimundorodrigues4238]

Temi e un ladraoi

[@raimundorodrigues4238]

Elis estao acabano con brasil