Controversial History of T-14 Armata's Engine

[@P1X3L5T0RM]

I feel like people who argue that the T-14 engine is a copy of german WW2 engine are the same peaple saying AK47 is a copy of StG44.

[@joukonsson1872]

yeah its crazy that people dont know that ak is copy of israeli Galil

[@102ndsmirnov7]

please tell me this is ironic@@joukonsson1872

[@mi-283]

@@joukonsson1872 what are you talking about ?

[@truaphunter]

It's joke ​@@mi-283

[@mckanister246]

​@@joukonsson1872no AK obviously is a copy of Roman slingshot

[@FirstDagger]

Oh boy here we go again.

[@patterisepi]

My reaction to the dot.

[@williamjepson04]

i am dot.@@patterisepi

[@kwyoushyt6356]

basically everyone's reaction to all the new videos everytime they appear lmao rel

[@liamo8932]

God my popcorn ready for the sh1tshow

[@maxim4538]

I can say the same

[@emanuelfigueroa5657]

Saying that the T-14 Engine is a WWII one, is like saying that the F-35A is a modified copy of the F-105. Or that Jeep Willys is just a green Model T.

[@skwal5464]

more like the F35 is a copy of the yak 141

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

Saturn v is a copy of German ww2 V2 war rocket.

[@j.bartos1466]

​@@skwal5464 which it actually is.. and a chunk of the engineers that worked on the 141 later worked on the F35 after emmigrating from Russia in the 90s.

[@ImRandomDude]

better comparison to that absurd situation is like saying: Kalashnikov is copy of Sturmgewehr 44

[@toasterbathboi6298]

​@j.bartos1466 incorrect. It's more a continuation of the convair model 200. Lockheed started the f35 design and already had designed the lift fan system before they became aware of the yak. They did study it yes, and took on yak engineers. But it is not a copy. Biggest difference is that the lockheed system uses a clutch driven lift fan system, meaning the whole aircraft still only has 1 engine. The yak has 2 dedicated lift engines independent of the main one, uses only for vtol mode.

[@AlreadyTakenTag]

More time has been spent on talking about the T-14's engine than the T-14 has spent time in trials and combat.

[@Darth_Barnaby]

The same could be said of most tanks Edit: It seems my comment is somehow being misunderstood (not defending the T-14). Im just pointing out how we have probably spent more time talking about a certain tank, than said tank has seen combat. Idk why people get so worked up over such a boring fact

[@psbs1]

@@Darth_Barnaby no

[@mistachomkmartiantm1810]

nope @@Darth_Barnaby

[@LastGoatKnight]

Or on the assembly line

[@LastGoatKnight]

​@@Darth_Barnaby not at all. Look at the Sherman and its variants. Tell me ALL the engines those used then

[@МихаилОрлов-б8щ]

can we just appreciate the butterfly effect of all this havoc being caused by a single line in click-bait shitpost on a random forum

[@zerobudget8355]

Thats always like that. :D Especially on military stuff and highly classified stuff. The same was with su57 RCA numbers. Fun fact no one knows anyones RCA numbers, its super highly classified stuff, you can only guess the RCA numbers by geometric stealth from clay figures/models. So all countries have RCA numbers in a ballpark, but all the active or other measures taken to boost it are highly classified and unknown. But people do not care and go ahead with clickbait stuff all the time.

[@august4215]

​@@zerobudget8355Noo you are lying everyone knows su57's rcs is bigger than f18 😡😡😭

[@1KosovoJeSrbija1]

gotta love the anglosphere

[@zerobudget8355]

@@august4215 Lol

[@BARelement]

@@august4215DO IT HARDER

[@galimbertino4939]

The technicality of your video is astonishing, thanks very much for that concrete and precise explanation.

[@Ciborium]

As my grandmother always told me, "No matter what anyone tells you, the T-14 Armata engine is a literal copy of the Nahtzee Panther engine."

[@gerfand]

Ha don't think many ppl here will get it, I took a bit.

[@sebastianwolfmayr]

Nonsense, Macedonian engines aren't black.

[@notfunny3397]

For anyone who doesn't get the reference, this is about the black Cleopatra drama. Black people in the US trying to claim Egyptian history for themselves is somehow the timeline we are in.

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

This made my day. Now educate yourself you bigot

[@TKUA11]

I don’t think anyone made such a claim.

[@user-wi4jt8bs8v]

If you knew anything about engines this "debate" was pure brainrot, thankfully now everyone knows without a doubt that it's not a copy of the sla16.

[@user-wi4jt8bs8v]

The engineering of engines has advanced so much in 80 years that it wouldn't make any sense for them to copy a ww2 engine. Sure, each and every one of these designs builds on the Diesel cycle, previous methods of injection, cooling, but these two have as much in common as an old VW beetle and a new Porsche 911. @@HippoBean

[@Psychonauta]

Russian must copy cause they cant make anything by themself

[@graobloch9048]

It's actually baffling how many people did so many stupid takes. I only learned about ICEs in passing, yet a simple look at the datasheet told me that those are two completely different engines. All the basic parameters (piston dimensions, bank angles etc) are different. It means you would have to redo all of the basic calculations for the engine, at which point there's no reason for saying that they're the same.

[@wyrmofvt]

No, it's not a copy of the sla16 - I think it's what happens when communists try to copy an sla16. Planner 1: "We want X engine for tenks!" Planner 2: "But, comrade, we not ever make such engine before. Our engineers have no prior experience!" Planner 1: "Eh, they're communists. They'll figure it out." (Later) Engineer 1: (Cruses in Russian) "Ugh, we make double V. That makes X, right?" Engineer 2: "Brilliant smekalka, comrade! We avoid gulag this time!" Rinse and repeat for every feature. Voila. No, I don't feel at all guilty for the bad Russian accents.

[@user-wi4jt8bs8v]

@@wyrmofvt why would anyone want to copy an 80 year old engine?

[@Painkillerz_8]

Man is simple, he come from school tired, sad, he see red video now man is happy feel good, god bless red

[@jamesmandahl444]

Yeah this guy sums it up pretty good.

[@Bayofthe91st]

"Ah s**t here we go again" Said RedEffect in his thought, probably

[@l.b.3416]

He never thought about comparing it with other vehicles its age though. Both the Puma as well as the Boxer as well as most modern IFVs and MBTs use much more modern engines then the T14. Usually they use MTU ones that are a clean-sheet design from the 1990s originally intended for the Puma program.

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

@@l.b.3416 t-14 should be compared to kf51 or abrams x , which use older engine. puma is an ifv with a new engine and should be compared to kurganets ifv.

[@Jess-dg6wo]

love it or hate it mans did his research

[@billhanna2148]

As thorough a fact bitch slapping as has ever been done on KZbin 💪

[@Jun-o3l6t]

Unlike some

[@ThatOneGuy-mn6dv]

**Cough cough**

[@neonmem8826]

Like how the 2 replies here on this comment that arent mine complete eachother perfectly

[@winzyl9546]

Source: russian state papers... right, because russian or the USSR has never lied about the capabilities of their weapons.

[@anotherbacklog]

Thanks to Red and the drama now people know more about the inside out of this unicorn tank than a toaster

[@raptonsoul2557]

Gotta love the internet

[@crusaderanimation6967]

I think you could phrase joke better "...now people know more about engine used by few tanks somewhere in Russia than they know about their own toaster in thier home"

[@Evirthewarrior]

Personally I cant wait until we argue about the engine of the MBT-70, because that is about how relevant the T-14 is.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

To be fair, I have no idea what the rotary dial with numbers does on my toaster. I leave it on 3/4 and don't mess with it.

[@Irobert1115HD]

i bet that more folks know about the iside of this tank now than the russian mechanics suposed to keep this tanks in working order.

[@chokosabe]

This story will never die!!!

[@Ciborium]

Not as long as LazerPig and his myrmidons continue to spread misinformation.

[@gerfand]

Maybe now it will lol

[@staticboss4029]

@@u2beuser714😂😂😂

[@BKBCrAnK]

@@gerfand probably not since not enough people are going to see this

[@gerfand]

oh the people who care will @@BKBCrAnK

[@Vicarious_Heart]

LazerPig fans: *GRABS PITCHFORKS* RedEffect fans: *GRABS TORCHS* me: *grabs coffee*

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Pass me the popcorn will ya?

[@randomuser5443]

@@ericquiabazza2608ill make steaks

[@Vicarious_Heart]

@@randomuser5443 i'll get the bbq sauce and the corn.

[@winzyl9546]

Pig fans are done with this nonsense.

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

Me: grabs Popcorn

[@juusolatva]

the US also tried to develop an X-shaped engine for the T95 medium tank in the 1950s, but for some reason I haven't heard anyone try to claim that the development of that engine was based on a WW2 German engine, although it's not as well-known, since the engine was never completed and the tank never left the prototype stage. I can't wait for Lazerpig to learn about this and then claim that the T-14 Armata engine was based on the failed US engine instead.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Almost if not all "American" research from 40-90 was done with nazi researchers or their research Paperclip was a HUGE thing, yet is like it never happened.

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

didnt you know? all russian computers are based off some old 1947 invention called the "transistor"! How backwards!

[@SuppressedOfficial]

Hell, never mind tank engines. A lot of this work is based on work done on aero engines from a decade earlier. In the end, the reality is there are only so many ways to put together a contraption made of pistons and cranks, and they all look pretty similar to a layman.

[@serkantatar7448]

RedEffect's short videos is good but longer ones is piece of art man

[@Gxaps]

In retrospect, comparing an a 85 to a sla 16 is absolutely absurd, and I feel stupid for trusting laser pig so blindly

[@Edward-pw6zz]

THANK YOU! thank you for the sources, thank you for the effort and THANK YOU for taking time on explaining how engines work, also, thank you for calling this a "X" engine and not a "radial" engine, a lot of people dont know the difference awesome video!

[@downix]

Or a Rotary engine. Seen that happen once as well

[@innelator6941]

@@downixlol, they are so different, even uneducated person will see difference

[@RhomasTotevenaar]

First time I've seen this engine layout, pretty cool imo.

[@afterburner9209]

​@@downixit has pistons how can it be a rotary lmao 😂

[@downix]

@@afterburner9209 look up the Gnome et Rhône airplane engine sometime.

[@Migman141]

Yay red posted

[@Tepid24]

This is like if someone looked at a Volvo truck from the 70ies, saw that it used a turbocharged I6 engine and then decided that the current generation of BMW M4 must've copied that random engine that has absolutely nothing to do with it, simply because it looks vaguely similar, being a turbocharged I6 engine.

[@ДимаВеселов-в8и]

Unfortunately that type of stuff is literally everywhere: guns and military equipment in general, cars(luckily not to the extent you mentioned, but I've literally seen BMW, Toyota and other makes fanboys comparing VANOS/VVT-i/VTEC/etc. and accusing eachother of stealing the design), even the video games are plagued by people who don't know a bum about how stuff works but feel comfortable to make bold statements like that and start flame wars over it. The worst part in this clownshow is even if some of those claims are true-who tf cares? The stuff works and people like it, so we're supposed to be happy if the stuff we like exist in more shapes and colours, not be mad at it! Not every situation requires the reinvention of a bycicle

[@palm92]

@@ДимаВеселов-в8и In automotive it's even dumber as there is a lot of duplication and parallel development. Variable Valve Timing (VANOS/VVTi/VTEC) actually wasn't brought to market first by any of them - Alfa Romeo had a mechanical system in 1980, electric one in 1983, and Nissan debuted it in 1987.

[@stalkerentertainment3671]

This topic maybe the tank version of the "the AK 47 was a copy of the STG 44" debate. Like I said I am really sad that so many people just blindly ingrain everything they hear as actual knowledge not even researching this.

[@jhon__1940]

LazerPig is probably at the edge of his seat right now.

[@korana6308]

Ahh, the amount of respect I have for you for doing this video is immeasurable. Someone that had ACTUALLY done some research for their video and is not just recycling same myths that they've read on some random internet article... is like a breath of fresh air. You are the best! Thank you RedEffect 👍👍

[@robincray116]

Some interesting history I found while arguing in the comments of a previous video. One of the sucessful implementation X configuration engines is General Motors 16 cylinder 16-184 engine used on the WW2 era SC-497 submarine chaser. The handful of online sources on the engine say it was noted to be quite reliable and long lasting. More interestingly 78 of these X-engine sub chasers found their way to the soviet union through lend lease. So we have a clear record of the soviet union having 78 copies of a reliable production grade X engines and somehow we are expected to believe that they instead opted to copy a prototype engine that never saw any real service from a country that had a reputation for building unreliable engines. Im not saying the armata copied the GM 16-184 engine but it is a better option than the SLA-16.

[@zrikizrikic9126]

Cool but in engineering you have certain ways..so basicly you Can simultaniusly reach same product..but depends hugely for what you need it..then small things small things and you get very different thing .btw in ussr now Russia military archive projects you have millions things that were put on shelf cause different need or even political issue..i Can think USA Got similar archive

[@BrenoAgmL]

hm, Lp will be crazy.

[@namesurname624]

Waiting on it! I hope it will be a back and forth I'm a sucker for this content

[@kane357lynch]

​@u2beuser714 he's a 41%er?? Who does he think he's gunna fool with that voice?

[@hubertino855]

@@u2beuser714 Really??? LMAO How was it discovered???

[@OliverFlinn]

do you get a weird tingly feeling in your pp when you see a man?@@u2beuser714

[@OliverFlinn]

he has said hes gay multiple times.@@hubertino855

[@k40HellJumper]

The LazerPig mind cannot comprehend this video

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

I’m sure his knowledge of K-pop and fast food menus is extensive but he’s lacking in technical knowledge of any kind. He’s pure emotion and not in an endearing way

[@azizithelethargic9229]

He wouldn't even try tbh. *Thinking, I mean. It's a tall task.

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

@@azizithelethargic9229 his ideas don’t hold up in the open market of ideas. They can only exist in an echo chamber where his videos are artificially boosted and videos that take a different stance are restricted or outright deleted. It’s not real.

[@Conserpov]

LazerPig all but admitted he's a paid propagandist.

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

@@Conserpov whether or not he’s paid directly to be a propagandist is irrelevant. In order to exist on KZbin you have to support the pro Ukranian narrative. They all do it happily and accept their shekels

[@kobeh6185]

I dont know how people went from "oh its also an x-layout engine and uses diesel" to it *must* be a copy of the german engine it *has* to be. Like the piston diameter isnt the same, it doesnt even have the same number of pistons, nor is the volume the same. According to this logic, a diesel Ford F150 engine must be a copy of the Soviet V12 because they are both V layout engines and run on diesel fuel. You expect me to believe the Russians went, "we need a new powerful engine for our latest and most advanced tank, oh how about we pick this obscure German WW2 era engine that was famous for *not working* "

[@tovarishchmartins4999]

Did you make the animations for this video? This must have taken a lot of work, not only with the research and all. Out of a very silly internet argument, you are getting more and more skillful at youtube xD Well done!

[@mostafamohy8494]

I remember someone before requested him to explain tank engines workings so i don't think he made the video because of the argument alone, ngl his technical videos are one of the best in KZbin

[@d_rooster]

Well, it's a good thing we have you to do all this research. Pure gold, man.

[@sovieticodiabetico6874]

Oh god not this again

[@Gloverfield]

Watch the video before comenting...

[@behoover]

⁠hes commenting on the title bro

[@wakangaroo7722]

@@Gloverfield there has been some...yt history regarding the video title, wich is what he ment.

[@kampsie1841]

Ty redeffect for putting lazerpig in his place

[@TinyBearTim]

Incoming lazerpig fans

[@skwal5464]

and oh boy they are annoying

[@andyfriederichsen]

​@@skwal5464 They say LP isn't trying to come off as an expert and yet they treat LP like he's the ultimate source on military hardware.

[@pheonixshaman]

@@skwal5464 And ill informed, and low IQ.

[@laughingseal2282]

@iederichsen>isn't trying to come off as an expert >gloats about having a Russian gay bf and knowing Russian hardware with the smugness of a hundred reddit experts These dudes are pathetic, really. There is no other word

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

Lazerpig should spend more time researching his topics and less time researching ham sandwiches

[@wormyboot]

Your concise explanation of how an engine works was really well done. One example is when you had that diagram of the crank pin, journal pin, and webs. You didn't over explain the diagram. It's about what you didn't say as much as what you did. It was just a really well done part of the video.

[@antoniohagopian213]

How 1500hp is "not enough" 😭 Gimme that engine I'll take it if they don't want it.

[@korana6308]

That actually took me as a surprise, because I've also read about that engine before that it was easily improved on it's performance. The maximum achieved HP was 2200 on that engine, but it decreased it's reliability at higher rpm. So at this point I am also not sure what he is talking about. Perhaps it is just not as reliable as the army wants, but that is just a guess. Though as I said they could easily improve it's power.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@korana6308 We can only run those engines at that power level with tons of sensors monitoring every single bang and adjusting the parameters on the fly. The engine is very "late Soviet" in the sense that it's not as electronic as it was mention late in the video, the design is 30-40 years old.

[@korana6308]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD are you a Russian engineer?

[@EdyAlbertoMSGT3]

A car weights no more than 2 tons on a good day. A tank weights more than 40.

[@planterion7969]

Yeah that is kinda strange since other comparable tanks like the leo 2 also have around that power. On the other hand power alone isn‘t everything, torque and the relationship between the two also matter for performance as well as other things. Still strange to hear that 1500 PS isn‘t enough

[@Ironpancakemoose]

The amount of people claiming that T-14s engine is a copy of a WW2 engine reinforces my belief that the mechanic trade will never be outsourced. You can convince these people to replace 2 transmissions in their car with dirty engine oil.

[@SelimOGPz]

you make such good videos!! i dotn care what you talk about its just entertaining thank you!

[@Bomber_Fish]

I learned a whole lot about engine just by watching this video now. The explaination is just on point and easy to understand, at least for me.

[@quibblegaze]

0:35: ⚙️ Misconceptions surrounding T-14 Armata's engine origins debunked through detailed analysis. 4:31: 🔧 Optimal bank angles for engines with different cylinder counts are crucial in engine design. 7:47: 🔧 Comparison of T-14 Armata's engine components and cooling systems. 11:47: 🔍 Misconception about the development of A85 engine led to confusion with a different engine. 15:37: ⚙️ Development of a new engine for T-80 tanks faced challenges with overheating and high fuel consumption. 19:21: ⚙️ Development of V2 engines for tanks, including successful testing and eventual implementation in Object 195 tank. 23:25: ⚙️ Delayed development of new engine for T-14 Armata due to outdated V2 engines and production constraints. Timestamps by Tammy AI

[@WwarpfirewW]

Thanks for this elaborate work, it must have been a pretty hard topic, but Im sure you enjoyed it while studiing this topic, from tank designs into complex technical stuff, you really hold the bar high!

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

This is why I watch *you* instead of _them!_ Great video! That cooling difference is the real important point here. But the same codename (12cyl, 4-stroke, supercharged, 15CM bore, 16alCM stroke) mixup you outlined is equally important. For those of us with enough sense, this solves the case and it's sealed, no needing to be revisited. Unfortunately, we all know this debate is going to continue from the other side, and for silly reasons. 😒 Well done, Red Effect. 👏👍

[@motmontheinternet]

Thanks for the information, it's a lot better hearing it like this than just the shorthand remarks you normally hear about the T-14.

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

Gangbanging lp by red, cone and the chieftain.

[@robcanisto8635]

Good, laserswine is an obstreperous Stan.

[@yspear_]

That guy literally do no research and spews random shit anyway

[@xxxm981]

Dont say it like that, he would probably enjoy that

[@brianmead7556]

LP got out debated by Gonzalo lira on military matters. Keep in mind Lira was a scummy dating coach, with no military background, while Pig is supposedly former military intelligence. So the former Intel man supposedly doesn’t know the difference between airborne troops and special forces or production capacity versus reserves or the difference between recon vehicles and tanks. It got even more hilarious during the 2023 summer offensive when Lira was completely right about how it was going to go and Pig was entirely wrong. The only reason anyone listens to Pig is because they’ve been primed by decades of propaganda from Hollywood and the game studios that Russians are stupid and evil so they’ll believe anything that reinforces that prior bias no matter how obviously ridiculously wrong. Truly, the warfare version of Rush Limbaugh.

[@feraltrafficcone4483]

@@brianmead7556holy Lira stan vatnik bro

[@starley1978]

The Soviet engineering school also created more exotic internal combustion engines. For example, Balandin's X-shaped connecting rodless engine for aviation. It used connecting rods to convert the translational movement of the pistons into the rotational movement of the shaft.

[@CrackzTV]

But you didn’t pedantically dangle your sources over the viewer’s head, how will we know you’re smarter than us 😂 great job Red, you’ve gone the extra mile and then some. Great to see due diligence is still prized by some

[@mladenmanda103]

Samo sto ne postoji "most optimal" niti najoptimalnije, jer pojam optimalno znaci vec samo po sebi najbolje, tako da je najoptimalnije isto sto i optimalno. Super kanal.

[@rufimcaelum7972]

I think actual reason why Armata is not in production, outside of sanctions, that Russians see that in actual war current modification is not modern enough and not response of all new threats(such as drones in first place) of modern war. In August 2022. based on experience from conflict in Ukraine, Russian army requested, and engineers suggested following improvements: 1. increased range for APS detection of potential threat and, also, increased range for "hard kill" action measures of Afganit 2. improved T-14 all-out shielding against RPGs and ATGMs 3. enhanced electronics protection against electromagnetic and microwave weapons 4. new system for remotely deactivating AT land mines So I think T-14 will never be in mass production, at least in current version. It's just clearly not worth it.

[@dhanu_4539]

This is the most likely answer. Any of the benefits provided by the armata design would be irrelevant in the current Ukraine battlefield. It's very likely that the armata might get scrapped before going into production.

[@mionikat]

and that Russia is not rich enough lmao

[@dhanu_4539]

@@mionikat not really. All of Europe combined is unable to produce enough artillery for Ukraine. That should tell you everything you need to know.

[@MrNebelschatten]

Or Russia is unable to afford any kind of production of modern tanks, since it lacks the technology to produce high tech and high quality electronics and chips themselves. In the past they could source such tech from Europe, which is not the case anymore.

[@fredrikhultman557]

I think so too. Some time down the line we will have two broad categories of tanks, those that have some measure of protection against the new battlefield threats, and those that don't. Or a fifth generation MBT if you will.

[@kanestalin7246]

Let me explain it simply, it's like BMW and Ford each making a V8 engine, they are both the same configuration, that being the V-shape but they both have different dimensions such as the Displacement, Bore width etc. But while they are both V-shaped engines with the same 8 cylinders, they are not the same engine, they only share a similiar design philosophy.

[@nekko5778]

who wouldve thought russian engineers and scientist are a million times smarter the lazerpig and actually know what they are doing while hes unable to even understand it

[@bootlegfootballdisciple3253]

Is that why there are only 8 T-14’s and they break down so much Russia won’t build more or put them into combat?

[@nekko5778]

1. u have no idea how many t14s 2. there are many reasons for why russia is not massproducing them biggest one prob being money and the fact that they ARE IN A WAR AND KINDA HAVE TO FOCUS ON OTHER SHIT 3. t14 never broke down on camera and never broke down on the parade that is fact it has been proven as fact everybody with half a braincell who watched the video knows that it didint brake down but uk what tank did infact break down? the best top tier ukrainian bm oplot did break down during a parade not armata stop watching people like lp and get used to actually using your brain@@bootlegfootballdisciple3253

[@abdurrehmannasir5963]

@@bootlegfootballdisciple3253 Theres a lot more than just "8 T-14's" in the low tens probably between 20-50, not in large numbers but definitely more than 8. As for "they break down so much" I have not heard much of this part beyond the original "stopping during the 2015 parade" where it turned out the driver accidentally hit the breaks and did not realise it. Russia probably does not build more because the T-14 as a whole is not a very effiecient platform for the Russian military doctrine which still favors large numbers over significant quality. The T-90M seems to be their favorite because it is much cheaper to produce and maintain than the T-14. The T-14 seems to have become a defacto technology demonstrator with significant money spent not due to massive defects in the tank itself but because it does not fit well into the Russian military's requirement.

[@TheAttic22]

Excellent video ! Massive salute to Red Effect for simplifying tons of technical information and a lot of not-so-well-known history into a 30-minute. If it's not too much trouble for you, I think it would benefit everyone in the military enthusiast fraternity if you could make a video on the Turkish M60T and the upgrades packages. Thank You.

[@kakakiri2601]

Who let red cook 😂

[@velvetthundr]

Thank you very much for the in-depth coverage in addressing this controversial topic. You are the very best!

[@milutinke]

LazerPig on life support right now

[@behoover]

Why? Lazerpigs point was its a bad tank that wont be produced. The engine not being from a tiger still dosnt make it good . And the rest of the tank is still awful

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

@@behooverno one is arguing the tank is good, Laserpig made a claim and still hasn’t released any sources on the engine and just responded with a “drama war” video.

[@zewydk]

@@behoover how is it a bad tank? it has all the stuff a modern tank should have. it addresses a lot of the design problems of the old soviet era tanks and fixes (most) of them. It's in no way a bad tank at all, they just can't make it. And by the time they can produce it, western tanks will again be ahead and in mass production.

[@blank3041]

​@@behooverThen he should have made a video using facts and actually good sources while putting aside obvious bias to demonstrate and show why the tank is awful instead of making objectively bad videos (including his response) that misinform people.

[@behoover]

@@blank3041 he used sources. He showed why the tank was awful. HE MADE 1 mistake about the engine. KEEP in mind redeffect dosnt even deny the fact that its still a bad engine...

[@TheIgoman]

Thank you for the effort of researching all this.

[@thetexanbuzzsaw3145]

Me, who barely under stands how an engine works: *Engine is engine!*

[@serialman1]

The coolest thing on the t14 is the stealth technik wich he bought from the su 57 you see nether of them in near the frontline . So good is the stealth of those weaponsystems

[@OperatorJackYT]

*RedEffect is a WarThunder player Confirmed*

[@MrAvant123]

How can something that doesnt really exist have a history ?

[@steriskyline4470]

Ask isreal

[@m.i.2451]

Can you please make a report about merkava loses and performance in Gaza

[@BrenoAgmL]

He already made it kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpnVkmWIbLCimrM

[@prateekmahapatra1789]

performed just like a tank is supposed to , neither st mervaka nor like a pile of metalcrap .

[@anchorread68]

Hamas report they have fired over 1000 anti-tank RPG, it might be 500 if they shot twice to overcome Trophy system.

[@correctionguy7632]

@@anchorread68 lol

[@ПетарКурилић]

​@@anchorread68saw vids where either Trophy didn't work or wasnt on

[@Postoronniy]

Thank you for an in-depth explanation and actually referencing primary sources. The whole copied Simmering story is ludicrous to anyone aware of the 2V family engines history.

[@Insulino36]

Babe wake up, RedEffect just dropped a new banger

[@mladenvujicic4992]

How much research does Red Effect did for this video it’s incredible.🎉 👏 👏 bravo 🎉

[@chost-059]

anyone who unironically says the engine is a copy of the SLA.16 shouldnt be taken seriously is T-14 good tank? its probably a tank and can do tank things i think, and its better than anything russia currently operates because if it wasnt it wouldnt exist past the drawing board. the main issue of T-14 is that the russian military cant afford it, assuming its a functional prototype without significant problems which we cannot know. will T-14 be adopted? probably not, im not an expert but i would expect them to slowly phase out the remaining T-72's after the war, continue producing T-90M and T-80BVM for the next 10 years. T-14 will most likely suffer the same fate as MBT-70 and be abandoned due to taking too much time/money, then replaced with a new project that takes the stuff that worked and changing things that didnt with T-14. what do i think about T-14? its a waste of time and money, which could have been used for developing a tank better suited for russia at an affordable price point so it actually would be adopted. the best thing about T-14 is what was learned during its development and technologies made for it, which can be later applied to a new tank.

[@dodgedemonsrtx]

T14 should have been a technological demonstrator

[@Տիգրան-ժ1է]

Here, rather, the situation is from the category of the absence of production lines, and without this, the Russian military-industrial complex doctrine does not allow mass production. Although you may ask why the Su-57 is produced if it has the same problem, but because Russia has no analogues for mass production like it.

[@arhidemus]

Т-14 примут на вооружение, но вероятнее всего это будет что-то вроде Т-14А и это произойдет после окончания войны. Т-14 различных модификаций (да, их несколько) произвели больше ста штук. А вот судьба Курганца и Бумеранга непонятна, в отличии от Т-14, их концепция сегодня не кажется правильной.

[@LyubomirIko]

The future of tanks is drone tank. Miniaturizing and leaving the crew outside completely, giving it also AI.

[@arhidemus]

@@LyubomirIko это очень далекое будущее по многим причинам. Средства радиоэлектронной войны с легкостью будут подавлять связь с такой машиной, а искусственного интеллекта, способного самостоятельно вести современный бой, ставить приоритеты, принимать решения и т.д. Сейчас не существует. Будет ограниченное использование искусственного интеллекта, который будет помогать обнаруживать цели, оценивать обстановку, а при поражении экипажа танка, самостоятельно отступать, возвращаясь в тыл.

[@fvo911]

Your effort is very much appreciated, a well-worked episode on the technicalities!

[@orzorzelski1142]

Just fyi: lazerpig is in united24's pocket.

[@Klovaneer]

i think it's more damning that his sources are "bro trust me" and "russians are dumb"

[@jspene]

@@Klovaneerand when he gets caught in an obvious lie he goes “erm actually it’s just for entertainment” like that makes straight up making things up okay? Hes exactly the kind of content creator who, if he had been around back then, would absolutely have spread the indestructible Tiger myth or that the Sherman was a terrible tank.

[@snowsnow4231]

@@jspene imagine unironically listen to a drunk unemployed out of shape dude who claims he worked for MI6 lol. He is a regular british geezer living off welfare in council housing provided by the nanny state. If you cannot get yourself into a decent shape, you are not going to convince me you are an expert on anything.

[@np4029]

Good to hear that rather than this being a failed copy of a WWII German engine, it is in fact a failed homegrown design 👍

[@paytonestrada7746]

People were just repeating Laser Pig's misinformation.

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

Well to be fair, RE hadn’t really made any actually good points before. It was kinda of more of a slug fest than a more civil discussion. Still rather wondering if what RE has said is right since he literally did cover the evidence supporting LP and wrote it off, as well as using more Russian/Soviet evidence.

[@christianpatton9364]

OMG , I can’t believe the internet is still banging on about the engine of a tank that isn’t even really in service.

[@arhidemus]

Так или иначе, это будущее вооруженных сил Российской Федерации. Чтобы понимать те или иные решения относительно новой техники, нужно немного разбираться в истории вооруженных сил СССР. Советский Союз принимал на вооружение и производил тысячи единиц техники, которая имела множество недоработок. Россия пытается это избежать.

[@gianttacogod]

More time was spent discussing the T-14 than the people making it

[@bornonthebattlefront4883]

I’ve never understood the whole “It uses an engine from WW2” As an argument anyways So what if they took a WW2 design, and made it output 1500hp!?!? That’s a damn good job IMO! The US still uses the M2 .50 Yet no one says “It’s a .50 cal from before WW2, so it must be terrible” Truckers have engines that are from the 50’s and 60’s What about something being old, makes it inherently bad??? I don’t get it It’s like someone who knows nothing about engines, tanks, or battlefield doctrine, made something up to sound superior, and people just ran with it My knife is 17 years old Does it make it worse than a knife that is brand new, just on the basis of age? No Not at all

[@lunarguard01]

how did you guys beat me its been 50 seconds

[@BL00DY08]

good video i hope this slows the spread of the myth that the WW2 SLA 16 is the Armata engine.

[@DavidDouglas-q7v]

Well, I personally clicked on this video simply because it's RED EFFECT I always click when you come up in my feed... ;)

[@iraeis7267]

Obviously not a real historian since you didn't leave out the sources

[@jaroslavdudas7227]

Great video red. As always. Keep it up!

[@truaphunter]

Спасибо за информацию, всё чётко и по делу, было крайне познавательно

[@carstenfriedrichsen6901]

so well done, never give up :) thanx for hours of digging in old books and files .... obviously a very compact engine is a great match for a tank .... and this engine is super compact :)

[@jelly.212]

Lazerpig should just admit his mistake. I can't believe there are idiots out there who actually believe what he says.

[@ДимаВеселов-в8и]

Nah, at best he'll just twist the words, say that it wasn't what his message was about and claim that his point still stands

[@fulcrum5690]

Maaan, 26 min dedicated to an engine. You should have enormous patience preparing all those facts and researches... To be honest I skipped few mins cause engines are not my passion. However, big bow to you for this video!

[@thegermanball9336]

T-14 : 0 destroyed Abrams: 1 destroyed Russian tech wins again

[@joshhanklon]

If it never sees combat no one can say its bad, imma start calling my broom the best tank in the world

[@daveA2024]

T14`s in combat 0 Abrams in combat 100`s, T 14`s broken down on parade 2, Abrams broken on parade 0. @@joshhanklon

[@joshhanklon]

@@daveA2024 i honestly just wish a T-14 would see combat, i wonder what the cope meltdown would be like

[@Stein871]

what i don't get tho, is why do people even care, in case it was a pump engine, as long as it does it's job?

[@102ndsmirnov7]

Because some people who don't understand anything about engines think that somehow invalidates it as a tank engine.

[@afterburner9209]

The gas turbine engines in many tanks are helicopter engines, OMG it's for a helicopter and not a tank that means it's not a good engine!!!!1! For fucks sake if the thing can pump crude oil or coolant or whatever it must have so much torque which a tank can make use of with the right gearbox. It's a powerplant, all that matters is that it fits physically, turns the crankshaft, meets the specifications and that's it.

[@rafaellastracom6411]

The notion that Russia cannot field a modern tank engine must be the dumbest thing I´ve heard in 2024, congratulations.

[@kwanlinus6999]

LazerPig Boot Lickers incoming in 3, 2, 1...

[@DrunkbearZ]

lazarpig looks like a pig in human form he needs to looksmaxx

[@kane357lynch]

​@@Vlad_-_-_ we aren't fanboys. We are just anti unsourced claims

[@laughingseal2282]

NAFO boomers and wine moms are already flocking here like ants to sugar

[@kwanlinus6999]

@@Vlad_-_-_ I actually quite like LazerPig tho, he is quite good on any topics that is not the T-14

[@jaroslavdudas7227]

Exactly 😂

[@Conserpov]

The engine is not old by conventional engine standards. When those 'theorists' say the engine design is "old", they mean it was developed before the advent of modern CAD methods, 3D-printed parts, plasma ignition, nanocoatings etc.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Which means that it's a dinosaur. Older technology is difficult to draw power from without serious compromises. When you have superior cooling, less drag losses, better coatings, more sensors and electronic control to adjust the engine operation on the fly, you draw more power without sacrificing reliability.

[@Conserpov]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[@b.elzebub9252]

*Cries* Stop.. Stop, it's already deaad!

[@HATCH5T]

😂 you dream

[@mbtenjoyer9487]

Wake up babe new RedEffect video

[@centurion262]

Uh oh internet drama

[@robcanisto8635]

i mean, if laserswine and his little boys decide to do the one thing they're good at, yes....

[@winzyl9546]

​@@robcanisto8635red effect literally started the "drama"

[@coryfice1881]

@@winzyl9546No. Lazerhog did months later after the videos were made.

[@nigelmacbug6678]

any 'discussion' on copy of design seems daft. Rotary engine invented in 1769, V engine invented in 1889, Opposed piston engine invented in 1890, Flat engine invented in 1896, Radial engine invented in 1901 and X engine invented in 1919. dates from quick google search

[@Toralian89]

Why do i hear pig noises?

[@texoschannel4907]

One point you should keep in mind is that in order to place a new bigger tank into military service, the infrastructure has to be upgraded/rebuild., a certain amount of technical personnel has to be hired and trained and distributed to the units, technical training manuals have to be put together and personnel trained. It's not just about building tanks.

[@itsuk1_1]

expect NAFO liberal arts degree to debate over this literal engineering porn

[@WillfulTangent]

Add the T-14 to War Thunder. Have someone plant a thread on the forums and let it do its thing. We'll know within 24hrs who's right.

[@pantherdev0123]

Timestamps: Start: 0:00 End: 26:43

[@onlinepc8423]

Ty I don’t what I would do without your timestamps on what he is talking about

[@zopEnglandzip]

Really appreciate this dive into the technical aspects, pretty conclusive.

[@Sevastous]

Oh yes the dunking never stops. Yes please!

[@kane357lynch]

I mean someone made up a claim and wouldn't share their sources. Was because he didn't have any

[@highjumpstudios2384]

The saga continues! I'm excited to see what you have to say.

[@egonieser]

Uh I mean... You can't reinvent the wheel twice. Most engines we use today are directly based on the engines before, and ones before and before... But just because "It looks the same" doesn't mean it is the same. Yes - it has cylinders, pistons, uses combustible fuel same as literally any engine in the world. That's literally where the similarity ends. Just because there are some visual similarities means diddly squat. Lot of engines look similar or the same, doesn't mean they are. Not to mention the engine is only one part of a puzzle. Even a WW2 engine if hooked up with a modern gearbox, ECU, transmission would output much greater power than it did when it was originally made as a ECU would ensure it gets the utmost power out of it in the most efficient manner possible and played ball with other components in the vehicle. Something that wasn't a thing until the late 80's

[@meddy833]

The most lucid take on this I have read so far. Well said.

[@FPK___]

W redeffect video as always, love listening to this stuff while playing war thunder

[@erikfeis1530]

Redeffect > laser pig

[@rocksnot952]

Pretty amazing that they developed this from the old 2V design. What an amazing piece of engineering.However, a gas turbine would have been less complex, although also less efficient.

[@arhidemus]

Это очень дорого. В 1980-х годах двигатель Т-80Б стоил, как весь танк Т-72Б.

[@rocksnot952]

@@arhidemus Это действительно очень дорого.

[@IFRYRCE]

It is obvious you actually have an understanding of internal combustion engine mechanics, unlike a certain other youtuber who shall remain unnamed by me (but not by the rest of the comments, absolutely lmao).