Controversies, Sensationalism and YouTube - How the News makes money - Adeel Afzal

Writer, Actor and Content Creator Adeel Afzal comes back on the podcast to discuss the News Media, Controversies, State Policies, Sensationalism, the Business model of News Agencies, Print Journalism, Judiciary, Charlatans and the KP ka voter.
On this week's episode, we discuss Aftab Iqbal's Mentality, Industry kay Babay, Amanullah's Talent, Bulleh Shah, Political Appointments, Poetry, Teaching Children Civic Sense, Religious KZbinrs, Ramazan Shows and a lot more!
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:20 Controversies and State Policies
7:20 How Media Houses Work - Lack of an Industry
11:47 Controversies, Masala and News Sensationalism
17:00 News Channels and their Business Models
22:00 Making money in Newspapers
30:00 Judiciary
37:00 Attack videos on us
40:00 Channels and Journalists involved in State Agenda
53:33 Charlatans using dreams to justify their agenda
57:00 Journalists vs KZbinrs
1:00:00 How Print Journalism twists words
1:09::00 9th May
1:16:32 KP ka Voter

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Part 2 out Monday. Sorry about cutting it in parts. Editor isn’t feeling well. Pooray ka wait karta toh aaj phir kuch bhi nahee jata 🙈

[@tapasvibhardwaj]

Koi dikkat nahi h....more power to you❤

[@sherryyar5511]

in future available on editing part but always pleasure to listen you both together

[@paulhall1612]

​@@tapasvibhardwajwhat a gullible Pakistani shill

[@smwk8270]

Danishwar zaroor baniye, media or arts par lecture bhi dain or baqi logon or media par tanqeed bhi karain, sath mein aurat march ko promote bhi karain...bas itna bata dain k kamli jaisi vulgur movie mein kaam Karna Chahiye? Kamli jaisi vulgur movie ko promote Karna Chahiye? Or kamli jaisi vulgur movies Ka Pakistan ke youth ko faida hoga ya nuqsan?

[@Ainasyeda07]

Karachi Karachi hai❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@alevelbio6529]

One thing I have realised is that Shehzad’s comic timing makes this podcast so good. One liner after one liner absolute gold

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌🙌🙌

[@MuhammadAnas-jj8ik]

I am from KPK, and I had been eagerly awaiting your post about the martyred Gilaman Wazir. Now that I’ve seen it, I must say it’s wonderful to see you covering all of Pakistan. Thank you for highlighting such important stories.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@ThePakistanExperience]

We put it up on our story yesterday also

[@Mohdaguj]

​@@ThePakistanExperience Please don't because he was racist and used racist slurs against panjabis.no hate to ptm but some of their leaders are ultra racist towards panjabis

[@KhanKhan-te4pb]

​@@Mohdagujdosto ki larhai mai ek dost dosre ko qatal kia aur galiya dusre pakistani qomo ko wha ma sadqe 😂

[@MuhammadAnas-jj8ik]

​@Mohdaguj PTM leaders criticize Punjabis not due to their skin color, but because most of the Punjabis do not support the PTM's cause.

[@sikandarkhan3708]

I can listen to these two casually discussing everything in the world for hours 😄

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@MansourAlameri-p8e]

You need therapy my friend.

[@abdulraufkhawaja5917]

Glad to see Adeel Afzal on Pakistan experience back after long time.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@abz789100]

I’m not of Pakistani background but I truly enjoy your content. Through your content there is great opportunity to learn about your region (the good, bad, and ugly). I hope you continue to make this content because the reach is incredible, most importantly may it broaden our collective mindset.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌

[@iramnabj2928]

Very nice podcast. Many unknown bold facts on dark journalism, TV shows, and media manipulation in Pakistan came out of this podcast .May Allah protect them. Aameen ❤

[@pandra6944]

Ghiyas, by any chance are a PPP supporter?. The wadera-ism in Sindh and oppression of the poor powerless people there is not a false propaganda.

[@Ainasyeda07]

ہماری فوج 75 سال سے وڈیرہ بنی ہوئی ہے اس پر بات کرنے کا تپڑ ہے نہیں بس سندھ کی گردن پتلی ہے دبا دو

[@KRATOS_9999]

Screw you. Youthia

[@seeker911]

See his interview with Bilawal Bhutto. He was blushing literally like Laila in front of Majnu.

[@blumenbauer7820]

اللہ تعالی آپ سب لوگوں کو اپنی حفظ و امان میں رکھے آمین

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@munakhan2469]

Adeel is absolutely right about the salary structure and mode of payment, especially at TV stations. And all owners of such media owners are wealthy families.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@asharlambray6377]

Lannat on them

[@talhakhaliq5195]

Shahzad you are becoming my daily soap 😂😂😂

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🤣

[@MHussain-es2qd]

Agreed with twist of truth

[@rabiakalsoom1933]

Hahahahah that is so true.

[@footballworld2023]

As a Sindhi I think the best thing to prove people wrong that Sindhis are as smart as any other Pakistani is by forgo the 60% quota system which was introduced by Bhutto. This is the only province or ethnicity that get this which makes us looks like backward and illiterate.

[@gladiator1186]

আমি অবাক হয়ে যাই, এত বুদ্ধিমান তরুণ থাকতে পাকিস্তানের এমন অবস্থা কেন হয়? এদের কেন দেশের আগে আসতে দেওয়া হয় না। অসাধারণ একটা পডকাস্ট। অভিনন্দন রইল।

[@amitk2284]

Your state name dear

[@Singh.Balwinder-s7s]

​@@amitk2284Bangladeshi gladiator 😂😂

[@bilalarifbassi]

Faris shafi have been spoken 11 years ago that ؛ہمارے لوگوں کو پسند ہیں قبریں، پسند ہیں خبریں؛ #farisshafi

[@ThePakistanExperience]

That man is a genius

[@itachiuchiha4267]

Don't you ever, ever Stop MAKING THESE VIDEOS.. im afraid for your well being mannn Pakistan really needs people like you. Im afraid voices like these are always silenced man please take good care of yourself! You're such a bold man dealing with all these people! You're true CHAMP!! 🥺❤️❤️

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@kainat8394]

I want Faisal Warraich on your show

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Whenever he’s in town

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Bhai hay apna

[@sherryyar5511]

it been always a pleasure to hear Adeel Afzal hope people get positive out of podcast .

[@shibrahrafaqat]

These are the conversations we need to have all across Pakistan 👏🏽

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@shumailasarwar]

بات کو اپنے مفاد میں گھمانے کا فن تو ہمارے معاشرے میں ویسے بھی عام ہے۔ سچ کو گھمایا پھرایا جاتا ہے۔ اور حقیقت کہیں پڑی گھٹتی سسکتی رہ جاتی ہے ۔ ہر چالاک اور بے انصاف ،بے ضمیر ایساہی کرتا ہے۔

[@wasilkhan2514]

Adeel Afzal aur muzammil Shah ki podcast pe fast forward Karne Ka Dil hi nahin krta, very interesting.

[@ahsanjamil4131]

Bravo shahzad! Even though sometimes I don’t like things you say, i still listen to you because just like am entitled to my opinions you are to yours. I don’t listen to many podcasts but whenever adeel afzal is there i make sure to listen to what he has to say. The approach you both put out is….. well its great

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@shaahu72]

so adeek afzal was the suprise guest loved him and really appreciate this podcast

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@AryanAdarsh-bt3gq]

ADEEK AFZAL GOOD INTECUATIAL MAN ..... APPRECIATED 😂😂😂😂

[@IrfanAli-hi6ms]

Great debate ❤ ma sha Allah ❤

[@umeshnaidu]

CMH gives quality healthcare...run by army...no issues: but where army screwd Pakistan from 1950s is their take over of civil governance directly or indirectly....that has taken the power away from civilians ..and ruined Pakistan

[@zahidiqbal439]

Zabardast shehzad, guest is also very rational

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@user-mu9gu2zu9r]

Pleased to see Adil bhai on your guest seat after such a long time..

[@jawadalvi9332]

Two intellectuals in one frame ❣

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@KRATOS_9999]

You guys are saying what my heart says.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@fahadiftikhar9]

tou yee thy special guest 😋♥️

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Sab say special ❤️

[@sudeepkalkandha1785]

when are you calling Syed Muzammil Shah ​@@ThePakistanExperience

[@sudeepkalkandha1785]

​@@ThePakistanExperiencein my opinion he is one of best real scholars of south asia

[@UshbaUrooj]

Liking it without even listening the whole, because I know it will be amazing.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@close_this_window]

I liked that you fixed the perception of PTI's "performance" in KPK, I didn't see it like that either.

[@simple6138]

پنجاب میں عام لوگ سندھیوں کے بارے ایسی کوئی رائے نہیں رکھتے۔

[@AmeerHamza-x5y]

I nearly guessed the guest when you mentioned yesterday that guest is one of your regulars😅😂

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Easy guess tha 🤣

[@shoaibqureshi2353]

​@@ThePakistanExperience sir portal khol ke Sahil Nadim ko alien dikha do

[@fatimaamin1244]

A worth watching podcast 👏👏 so much to realize what's happening in your country❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@AliRaza-lg7sv]

I have always voted for pti and will probably vote for them again. That said I am a big fan of TPE because of the sensible discussions you have. I don't see pti as a great political party but I see them as slightly better than other flawed options.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@guides88]

Love you shehzad bhai.

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[@guides88]

@@ThePakistanExperience I'm from KASHMIR, INDIA Your podcasts are quite informative. Love you Bhai.

[@amnasamna]

I haven't watched the whole show, just paused here to clarify something regarding May 9th. Khadija Shah is granddaughter of Asif Junjua not Aslam baig ( correct it). About May 9th: I don't care about what kind of logical fallacies PTI supporters come up to defend it. They were all pti supporters, few of them, like in any other angry protest, went inside, burnt the building and did other damages as well( Other parties have done worst when it comes to " tor phor" for whatever reason, we agree or disagree with. By all means, it's understandable because they have been led to hate army after VONC. Planned or not, the logical and organic reaction was going to be against army. By the way, protesting outside any military establishment, installment is constitutionally allowed. As we all saw, those who burnt stuff were few not the whole support base who was out protesting.

[@iftunasrin]

Im so into this as if im in this room with you guys This man is one of your top guests Learning as always Thank you so much for this ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@abulhassan7235]

One of the best podcast with Adeel Afzal, very mesmerizing and inspiring to watch, be blessed

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@user-gr9tw2lw1k]

Bring Wassay Habib & Iffi Raja in next podcast. Wasay's cricketing knowledge & Iffi Bhai Rants >>>

[@relaxingvideos7799]

Otna shoar bardahst ni huta yar

[@jhanzaib9977]

Better than any Netflix series very interesting

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@hassancheema2268]

yeah and sindhi is a synonym for rich across the border, wonder what kind of people these karachi people were...

[@msjaffri7099]

Salam shehzad bhai As you both mentioned that pakistan is a nation of nations thats why there is a lack of harmony among different ethnicities.India has the same demographics and yet the nationalism or patriotism they posses for their motherland is very evident. What went wrong in our history that doesn't allow us to exist in the same way as India?

[@MuhammadUsman054]

Waiting for a Podcast with Hamid Mir 👐

[@anuppareek2050]

Good to see you back on the driving seat buddy. Poora dekhega mai

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@alisaifee630]

Your thumbnail gave me nightmares! Pakistan's Gandalf Orya, Hairy Portals, and the lord of misogyny Qaleel. Khair Adeel bhai nay bacha liya.. Good job boys 🙌🏽

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@daniyalawan3350]

Can you please try to link or add a popup when you refer to a different podcast/video so we can get more context🙏

[@SimranDhillon186]

Oyye aa gya Been waiting for it after your post on instagram 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@fezxan]

Shahzad taking subliminal shots at TBT is insane ifykyk 😂😂

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@yaqootmir6761]

CMH is not good due to resources it’s MANAGED properly.provincial health care institutions are simply managed improperly and by the way Lahore has some very good hospitals besides CMH.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Military propaganda. Military men aren’t better managers, they take more resources

[@English_5Days]

Manzoor Ahmad Pashteen On Your Podcasts ❤

[@ahsenraza7447]

Shehzad you didn't explored him more , he was taking us deeply and you are twisting towards an other side only your platform is providing some actual so keep learning and keep serving. I Must Must Say you explored Adeel only 10% during the session

[@ThePakistanExperience]

kzbin.info/aero/PLlQZ9NZnjq5r0w_XhV1IByfevz2edwSV8&si=UpL8S38LpaHUS-HQ

[@omikhan143]

I have same opinion that if cases made against nawaz sharif was facts and truth then cases against imran khan are also fact and truth. You can’t say that cases against khan’s are fake and bogus but cases against nawaz was right.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Yehi hypocrisy nahee samajhtay ye log

[@omermaqsood3981]

I totally agree with you on the point of minority recently I had written to you to raise issue of minorities, recently I got a chance to visit Bhawalpur fort maujh gahr the people are totally in denial they don't admit minority is present in their area and the minority Hindu present called marachay don't get equal opportunities for job and the farmers are quite open about it

[@ummeali-dy7mt]

million likes regarding speaking on us (sindhi) yes we still label by them that our culture is reflection of Hindus and we own it its our Indus civilization.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@areeshamemon6570]

One of the many things to take from this episode of TPE: being conscious of how you pronounce the word "analyst"😭

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@thefiregaming951]

yaar shehzaad bhai peena weena bhi shuru kardi ha kya yaa neend main ho xD🙃

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@apnekokya6519]

Sir I totally respect the comedian part of you but yeh har doosri baat k beech aik ajeeb sa joke (especially with Adeel Afzal as you guys make an extremely well connected podcast) sari conversation aur uss direction se jo point aur conclusion built ho raha hota hai uski nisst maar deta hai. Plz consider this 🙏🏻

[@daniyalliaqat9248]

You don't allow the guest to complete any answer, the host needs to speak less

[@hareemmubashir6046]

Adeeeeel Bhaiii back in the house!!

[@queenPAK]

1.30.02 At the time of naturalization the American admin.ask all new citizens that please use your own native languages in your homes so that your children can be the perfect bilinguals . Unlike our Punjabi/ muhajir mentality to speak only urdu and not the regional languages.

[@salehaminto6328]

@35:00 the analysis became somewhat reductive in my opinion. The lawyers’ movement and “BAR politics” emerged in 1982/83 against Zia’s Islamization through introducing controversial قانُونِ شہادت، قصاص اور دیت، اور زنا بالجبر میں گواہی۔ A more defiant lawyers’ body was the need of that time and it hugely supported the women’s cause at that time. My two bits is that the problem does not rest with the said political area but always with the thought process of people running that area of politics.

[@UkAla-dz9dz]

Yaar thank Allah for people like you in Pakistan. Jub bohut ganda depression hota hai and all seems lost, watching a podcast by you gives me some hope kay among all these kanjars, ik ya dou tou hai jo abhi zameer pura baichkay nai bethgai hai.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@HafizMamooon]

It's now that I have come to fathom business model of these news mafias. Wesy Shahzad ki video ka pop up aye to irresistible hota hai click na krna... Nd I am glad yh mny poori video sun li aj... Aur hn Shahzad Bhai, Monday ko next part ka intzar rhyga!

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@sfzakaria89zakaria9]

Now dont let him go to lahore and record at least 7 podcasts. 😂 Love you adeel vai ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@relaxingvideos7799]

Fair rules or fair trades tu capitalism main b ni hia tu kn sa business model un ko lay k chaly ga 😂

[@muhammadawais7109]

Sindh is perhaps most rich province of Pakistan. According to some estimates it's per capita GDP is even better than Punjab. But when it doesn't reflect in HDI, Infrastructure, Health and Educatio n and someone criticize it, it is not anti- sindh bias. On the other hand I admire good qualities of Sindh. It is still the most pluralistic society of Pakistan. But don't blame it's problems on other people. Which outsider is forcing natives of province to kidnap and forced marry hindu girls? I hope one day sindh would be the most prosperous and (more) plurastic province of Pakistan.

[@Maria-tm8jg]

Can the host please stop interrupting the guest with irrelevant comments and jokes jeez louise

[@gauravdey4163]

Are you a Pakistani

[@mahroofhussain8940]

عدیل افضل اور شہباز غیاث کی بصیرت ،ادراک اور بے باکی کو سلام

[@AsBi1]

very interesting talk but truth.

[@AhmedKamal-yd1mq]

Thanks ❤ waiting for second part 🎉

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Kal ❤️

[@rajausama7969]

Qom e Youth must be burning in the comments 😂😂

[@MuhammadRizwan-ps6et]

For the first time I listen him and yes he has some useful and critical thoughts . Otherwise I always fell like " aik drama kya kr liya ab jagah jagah beth kr philosophy jhaar rha hy" ❤

[@KhanHayal713]

lol he was famous way before he started acting

[@Kamran_Laal]

On our request Adeel afzal landed from zoom to studio.Thanks sir❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@HomeGardening212]

Another blasting PodCast ! Shahzad I am a big fan of yours ! your style is versatile ! keep it up brother ! love u ❤❤❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@alevelbio6529]

Loving the content on this channel for the past week

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@dadmuhammad8665]

That’s strange he took whole hour by saying there are someone else who control media, politics etc etc and then he say why PTI goes to core commander house and why not block mall road as it happing from last 60years. That’s strange they protest their where it would create more pressure.

[@Bilawal-Bhutto]

Good one ❤👍

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@UzmaMushtaque]

@shehzad bhai, it is always so interesting whener adeel bhai is on the podcast. There never was media awareness and no one has ever thought to dispense it to the masses. This shouldbe on national tv, as media plays an important role in today's world. Keep up the good work and make it into a segment with adeel bhai so that we get insights about such topics. 🌟

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@fahadjawaid3569]

As usual amazing and lots of learning..

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@tyrant_hermit]

Sidemen among us, TPE, whiskey and smoke. Life is good.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@BilalQazi-ds6ot]

1:20:00 Sindhis have a history of subservience and Ghulami of the Wadera. Atleast for the past 300 years this is has been very common for them. Subservience, loot mar, corruption.

[@BilalQazi-ds6ot]

Sindhis don't leave the country. Adeel bhai, Sindhis have big advantages in Karachi for being Sindhi. Ye nh chor k jayengay.

[@BilalQazi-ds6ot]

Also not talking about the poor Sindhi common man. They are ghulam by force and on some level by choice

[@BilalQazi-ds6ot]

Karachi shehr mai maujood 90 feesad police wale Sindhi hyn. Dekhlo Kia haal hai is shehar Ka. Jo log ada saeen Baba saeen sutho chutti karte wo log halkey main nikaljate. Baqi Quom walon ko ye sindhi tulle tang karte haun

[@BilalQazi-ds6ot]

Indus valley waley to kahin se nh Hain ye log Yaar 😂😂😂

[@queenPAK]

​@BilalQazi-ds6ot Karachi is Sindh.

[@kainat8394]

We wanted a video with Faisal Warraich

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Whenever we are in the same city

[@businesstycoon7444]

​@@ThePakistanExperiencePlease make it possible 😮

[@MuhammadFaizify]

اگر ہم قوم ہیں تو اپ بار بار سندھی بلوچی یہ کیوں ڈسکس کر رہے ہیں جب کہ اب یہ ڈسکس اتنا زیادہ نہیں ہوتا،

[@subhandar9062]

Great conversation ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@absurdist9609]

Yaar bhai apne guest ko bolne tou do, sometimes you make too many and irrelevant sarcastic interruptions which break the flow of the conversation. Usually I love your podcasts but this was hard to follow.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Fair

[@absurdist9609]

@@ThePakistanExperience Love the pod a lot in general! ❤ Keep it up, you're doing amazing work. Everyone has a bad day or night once in a while 😊

[@mutaherahmed1089]

19:16 channel black money white es tarhan krta h jo advertisement leta h usko 1 crore k bajaey books mn 5 crore dikhaeyga

[@bilalkhan-vw8ob]

Hi, I am from Swat. I am a PTI supporter but I enjoy listening to your podcast. I often hear you asking about kp voter mentality but I feel like you never get the right answer. Let me give you a comprehensive answer, I hope you would give it a read. Before 2013 elections people gave a chance to almost every party but nobody performed, even ANP pre-terrorism era govt. 2013 Election: PTi forms a collation govt and they perform really well, built roads, motorway, improved health system, police system etc and there was peace in Kpk for the most part and corruption was also low Election 2018: PTI won simple majority, even people who were Anti- Imran gave provincial vote to PTI but this was a very unpopular tenure, their performance was poor and they lost popularity and were bound to lose next elections but they did one great project sehet card and there was peace but popularity was still not great Interim Govt: As soon as PTI govt ended, terrorism increasd, inflation increase and sehet card was stopped. Poor People were literally waiting for PTI govt so they can do treatment in hospitals on sehet card Election 2023: people in kp are very very anti-establishment. The crazy vote Imran got was because of anti-establishment narrative and sehet card and increase in terrisom.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

But if we look at the records then development during PTIs 11 years hasn’t been great and corruption has been high. By performance metrics they’ve failed. Guess 2018 mai you’re ignoring the establishment support factor and 2013 mai the Ttp support factor

[@bilalkhan-vw8ob]

@@ThePakistanExperience As I mentioned before. PTI second term performance was poor, corruption was high. I completely agree but that’s not true for 2013-2018 tenure. Before PTI har jaga roads kharab hotein the, ab rarely kharab roads milenge and Pti had genuine Vote in 2018 in KPK, establishment might have supported PTI but KP mein khas farq nahi parhna tha. I am telling you ground reality. TTP ka support kidhar se agaya? If you are referring to ANP campaign tou ANP was already very unpopular. Campaign se farq nahi parhna tha.

[@hunybuny6824]

Adeel afzal is really a special guest ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@saleemnaqvi2200]

I would like to discuss something that Adeel Afzal said in one of your recent programs. He had said that we should understand that there is no such thing as the 'Pakistani nation' as Pakistan is a country that comprises many 'nationalities'. My submission is that there seems to be a confusion about the definition of the terms 'nation' and 'qaum' 'قوم'۔ in the prevalent narrative of intellectuals in Pakistan. Just like the word 'captain' which has multiple meanings, the term 'nation' also has at least two different meanings Urdu. One meaning is what our intellectuals subscribe to, which is the one that is the traditional meaning of the Urdu, Sindhi, or Punjabi word 'qaum'. Which is a group of people who live in a distinct geographical region, have the same mother tongue, they may belong to different religions or sects but they share the same traditions, culture, literature, music, dances and history and who identify themselves as a distinct entity compared to those who do not share these things with them. But these intellectuals either do not factor in, or deliberately do not mention the fact that the term 'qaum' has another meaning in in Urdu also. That meaning is the same as the meaning of the English term 'nation': all citizens of a state irrespective of the region within the state they belong to, mother tongue, religion, caste, creed etc. They don't need to be born in the state, or even be its traditional inhabitants, they just need to acquire citizenship of that state through legal means. The second meaning of the term 'qaum' is used in 'aqwam e mutahemida', 'اقوام متحدہ' the Urdu translation of 'United Nations'. The 'nations' that are members of 'United Nations' are Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh and not the Pakhtoon nation, Punjabi nation and the Bengali nation. The interesting thing is that in Urdu the term 'qaum' is used for both types of groups, but in modern English native speakers don't use the term 'nation' for a group of people coming from a particular area within a state having shared language, customs and history etc. The term used for such grouping is 'ethnicity'. However, people from India and Pakistan call allegience to such groupings as 'nationalism' or 'sub-nationalism'. This is because of the influence of Urdu/Hindi and mother tongues in which the word qaum is used for such groupings and they translate the word qaum in English as 'nation' or 'sub-nation'. Yes, traditionally the term 'nation' was used for such groupings also, but only in the case of very large single tribes, e.g. the Sioux Nation, but not for a collection comprising multiple tribes having shared language and traditions. Similarly, the term 'nationalism' is also used for feelings and activities in the context of the state, even though we use it in the context of our ethnicities. Thus, in English a 'nation' is confined within the borders of a state, but an ethnicity can transcend state boundaries. If we take a Pakhtoon who holds the Afghan nationality and a Pakhtoon who holds Pakistani nationality, then if we take the traditional meaning of the term 'qaum' used in Pakistan and India, then both belong to the Pakhtoon qaum. On the other hand, if we take the other meaning of 'qaum' i.e., citizens of a particular state, which is equally valid in Urdu, then one Pakhtoon belongs to the 'Afghan qaum' and the other to the 'Pakistani qaum'. It depends on which meaning you take, both are valid; just as a captain could mean the leader of a cricket team, the senior pilot of an ailiner, or a naval officer who is one rank senior to 'commander' and one rank junior to 'commodore'. In the light of this I would say that it is not right to insist that out of the several meanings of 'qaum' or 'nation' only the one that matches our ideology is correct. Therefore, it is OK to call the citizens of Pakistan the 'Pakistani qaum' or 'Pakistani nation' and we can say that Pakistan is a 'multi-ethnic nation', or 'polyglot nation'. I would be interested in knowing your comments on this and please pass on my message to Adeel. I am curious to know your comments about my opinion the acknowledgement and respect are a two way street. The state should 'acknowledge' the various qaums living in its territory AND the qaums should also acknowledge that they are living in a multi qaum country which has its own compulsions and shouldn't resent the state's attempt to evolve its own identity?

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[@saleemnaqvi2200]

Dear Shehzad I would like to discuss something that Adeel Afzal said in this program. He had said that we should understand that there is no such thing as the 'Pakistani nation' as Pakistan is a country that comprises many 'nationalities'. My submission is that there seems to be a confusion about the definition of the terms 'nation' and 'qaum' 'قوم'۔ in the prevalent narrative of intellectuals in Pakistan. Just like the word 'captain' which has multiple meanings, the term 'nation' also has at least two different meanings Urdu. One meaning is what our intellectuals subscribe to, which is the one that is the traditional meaning of the Urdu, Sindhi, or Punjabi word 'qaum'. Which is a group of people who live in a distinct geographical region, have the same mother tongue, they may belong to different religions or sects but they share the same traditions, culture, literature, music, dances and history and who identify themselves as a distinct entity compared to those who do not share these things with them. But these intellectuals either do not factor in, or deliberately do not mention the fact that the term 'qaum' has another meaning in in Urdu also. That meaning is the same as the meaning of the English term 'nation': all citizens of a state irrespective of the region within the state they belong to, mother tongue, religion, caste, creed etc. They don't need to be born in the state, or even be its traditional inhabitants, they just need to acquire citizenship of that state through legal means. The second meaning of the term 'qaum' is used in 'aqwam e mutahemida', 'اقوام متحدہ' the Urdu translation of 'United Nations'. The 'nations' that are members of 'United Nations' are Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh and not the Pakhtoon nation, Punjabi nation and the Bengali nation. The interesting thing is that in Urdu the term 'qaum' is used for both types of groups, but in modern English native speakers don't use the term 'nation' for a group of people coming from a particular area within a state having shared language, customs and history etc. The term used for such grouping is 'ethnicity'. However, people from India and Pakistan call allegience to such groupings as 'nationalism' or 'sub-nationalism'. This is because of the influence of Urdu/Hindi and mother tongues in which the word qaum is used for such groupings and they translate the word qaum in English as 'nation' or 'sub-nation'. Yes, traditionally the term 'nation' was used for such groupings also, but only in the case of very large single tribes, e.g. the Sioux Nation, but not for a collection comprising multiple tribes having shared language and traditions. Similarly, the term 'nationalism' is also used for feelings and activities in the context of the state, even though we use it in the context of our ethnicities. Thus, in English a 'nation' is confined within the borders of a state, but an ethnicity can transcend state boundaries. If we take a Pakhtoon who holds the Afghan nationality and a Pakhtoon who holds Pakistani nationality, then if we take the traditional meaning of the term 'qaum' used in Pakistan and India, then both belong to the Pakhtoon qaum. On the other hand, if we take the other meaning of 'qaum' i.e., citizens of a particular state, which is equally valid in Urdu, then one Pakhtoon belongs to the 'Afghan qaum' and the other to the 'Pakistani qaum'. It depends on which meaning you take, both are valid; just as a captain could mean the leader of a cricket team, the senior pilot of an ailiner, or a naval officer who is one rank senior to 'commander' and one rank junior to 'commodore'. In the light of this I would say that it is not right to insist that out of the several meanings of 'qaum' or 'nation' only the one that matches our ideology is correct. Therefore, it is OK to call the citizens of Pakistan the 'Pakistani qaum' or 'Pakistani nation' and we can say that Pakistan is a 'multi-ethnic nation', or 'polyglot nation'. I would be interested in knowing your comments on this and please pass on my message to Adeel.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

You are slightly conflating the words nation and a nation-state. Even in Canada indigenous people are called First Nations, they don’t see the use of the word as a threat to the Canadian Nation State. Pakistan is a Nation State, it is a nation of nations with several different quomain inside it, not acknowledging this and forcing nationalization by violence is what we are criticizing.

[@saleemnaqvi2200]

​@@ThePakistanExperience Thank you very much for the prompt and respectful response. Shehzad, I did not mean to trivialize the ethnicities living in Pakistan. I was only saying that these days the term 'nation' is not used English to denote what we call 'qaum' but the term used instead is 'ethnicity'. In this I am conflating 'nation' with 'nation-state' and I have given my reasons for it. I agree with you that the term 'First Nations' is used in Canada, and that people in Canada, U.S. and Australia are waking up to the horrors they have committed on the first nations. However, you will notice that such terms are reserved only for marginalized native populations that have been replaced by whites as masters of the land and are part of affirmative action. The term 'nation' is not used for people other than the first nations in those countries and is used to denote citizens of the state. I agree with you that Pakistan is a nation of different qaums and they should not be, to use your words, "not acknowledged". Shehzad, I feel this is a two-way street. The state should acknowledge them. The problem here is that our 'nationalist' friends have a definition of 'acknowledge' that is different from the dictionary meaning of the word. Pakistan has state run radio and television. News bulletins, analyses and cultural programs are broadcast/telecast in major languages spoken in the country in them. When foreign dignitaries visit Pakistan cultural troupes from all regions showcase their culture, music and dances at state functions, and all provinces showcase their culture in floats at the Pakistan Day parades. If we look at the dictionary meaning, not the ideological meaning of the word, it shows that they are being acknowledged. The flip side is that that people belonging to different qaums and ethnicities should also not acknowledge that they are part of a multiethnic federation, and such states have their own problems and compulsions, balancing the different ethnicities and its own identity as a state being some of them. Different ethnicities/regions cannot behave as independent states in their own right. They should not resent the state when it wants to present itself as a nation in the comity of other nations (the Western meaning of the term). All parties need to agree on the definition of 'acknowledge' and all need to respect the others' right to acknowledgment, dignity, respect, fair treatment and equitable opportunities.

[@saleemnaqvi2200]

@@ThePakistanExperience I would like to discuss some of the points raised by you in your speech at the Blackhole in Islamabad. I am not on X or facebook. Is there any way we can have a polite and reasoned conversation on some other platform?

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Not true. Catanolians refer to themselves as a nation within Spain. In Germany different areas use nation for themselves like Bavaria. Nation is not exclusively used for nation states. Also a nation isn’t the same as an ethnicity.

[@saleemnaqvi2200]

@@ThePakistanExperience I am a great fan of yours. I salute you for talking about subjects that are taboo in our society. However, I have some difference of opinion with you, but I differ with you with the greatest of respect. I do not agree with your last sentence. These days generally speaking the word 'ethnicity' is used for what we use 'nation' in Pakistan. What you have pointed out are exceptions to the customary practice. But I hope you do understand the general drift of what I am trying to convey. I request you to please consider the overall meaning and not specifics, where I could very well be wrong.

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