Conversations With History - Francis Fukuyama

[@TheRacistsMustDie]

Fukuyama himself actually wrote a very interesting article in Foreign Policy a few weeks ago called "The Future of History" where he lays out how liberal democracy is in a big problem and what elements a new ideology should contain.

[@Mauday]

He's a wise man. Even though his "end of history" argument seems a little outdated today.

[@abrahamdecruz5128]

Now he bends his end of history to say it was the end of communist history and the collapse of communism and takes credit for his foresight in this. He is more a futurologist these days.

[@Gigika313]

@@abrahamdecruz5128 yet even that isn’t true either

[@HenryMiller17]

intro music ... so heavy.

[@GaminHasard]

Autro music... holy sjizzle!

[@ahmedabdeltwab2052]

I want to get the books on this philosopher

[@cammorris55]

Great discussion on the new book!

[@yeasayer]

wow, sounds like his new book develops and is based on a fascinating and insightful history of ideas

[@abrahamdecruz5128]

He borrows from all subjects like.philosophy, history, biology to support his ideas and theories. Sometimes the pyramid of ideas looks flaky and shaky but he writes very well.

[@CherryBlossomHill]

Demand for the right of self determination might have been a better choice of words (demand for recognition in current political terms implies identity politics which is largely pejorative).

[@mmsa5]

min 20:00- to learn from our biological properties, we could gain a detailed insight into the political features

[@S2Cents]

@Mauday That's a funny thing to say. His "end of history" argument is a bit outdated. Exactly, I agree he's a respectable fellow. And he now seems to have come out with a book recently that will be of use in the future.

[@AndrewStruthers]

Damn interesting

[@caviper1]

Does anyone know what is the music at the beginning?

[@RideMyBMW]

@RideMyBMW 1700s New England?

[@spmhall]

@RideMyBMW Well, suffice it to say that it would be a very interesting case study to consider! I find it unlikely given the logistical difficulties involved in managing and enforcing those principles, but I concede it might be possible. Would be cool if we could come up with one ;)

[@spmhall]

@RideMyBMW I feel that you might be at risk of taking institutions for granted yourself given your comment here. One may argure that - given a stipulative definition of legitimacy as being conceived in collective action in support of a political body, institution or set of values - the influence of any of the values adumbrated in the Declaration of Independence is contingent upon those values gaining popular support and societal advocacy.

[@henrix999]

in two days I will attack his ideas as a part of my exam. easy peasy

[@cliffgaither]

henrix999 :: I hope you passed your exam.

[@zackkilgore528]

@@cliffgaither probably didnt

[@sbnwnc]

Is the thesis correct?

[@zackkilgore528]

16:14

[@suthongsaebe]

I had this book ,, but ! ,,, I want my money back,,,!

[@RideMyBMW]

min 15:15 "(Americans) take political institutions for granted...we´ve got an anti-status position. We don´t like the government, we dont trust it (...) we dont appreciate the fact that its important to have a state (...) you go to a place like Somalia or Afghanistan, Haiti" Hmmm,don´t know about that. According to the Decl of Independence Some institutions come before the State, are older and of greater legitimacy than any government.

[@rebinnader688]

Conversations With History - Francis Fukuyama

[@spmhall]

@RideMyBMW CONT. This is something that is nigh inconceivable without a strong, central, authoritative body that can institutionalize those values. At the risk of sounding too Hobbesian; name a society - encompassing more than a single or a small set of tribal groups - that succeeded in abiding by the values of the Declaration of Independence without strong institutional backing.

[@sivaponnusamy9381]

Ki

[@danielkoontz6732]

Has a lot of stuff right, but rooted in biology stuff and some other points... He hits so much of this almost pointedly but misses out on the fact that American democracy is able to function because of its foundation in the belief that God is real and the Bible is true. Things like love your neighbor... man he is so close!

[@RideMyBMW]

@spmhall "name a society - encompassing more than a single or a small set of tribal groups - that succeeded in abiding by the values of the Declaration of Independence without strong institutional backing." fair enough, if manage to come up with this so called "society" of yours ,what do I get?

[@unfad1ng]

it made much more sense in the 80s

[@praaht18]

No

[@RideMyBMW]

min 15:15 "(Americans) take political institutions for granted...we´ve got an anti-status position. We don´t like the government, we dont trust it (...) we dont appreciate the fact that its important to have a state (...) you go to a place like Somalia or Afghanistan, Haiti" Hmmm,don´t know about that. According to the Decl of Independence Some institutions come before the State, are older and of greater legitimacy than any government.