Wheaton College's Polarization and Peacemaking Event Continued

[@brad-ow6lz]

His very language is the give away. No one that is a conservative Christian uses all of the liberal catchphrases that this man throws out. The 80% that left his church were fortunate that they finally realized what he had been saying all along

[@DogOneIsOpen]

It is a comfort that this type of pastor is being identified and called out now. These pastors ran rampant for a couple decades in evangelicalism without much of a check. They were quick to defend women and throw men under the bus. They criticized doctrine and made emotions central to religion. They trashed the historical church to try to gain favor with those who wanted nothing of the true God.

[@conceptualclarity]

@@DogOneIsOpen I could not agree more!

[@conceptualclarity]

Hope Jon sees your comment to pin it

[@conceptualclarity]

As far as trashing the historical church it sickens me how these guys cannot see how they are probably if anything more in "captivity to the culture" than past generations of ministers

[@conceptualclarity]

The pastor pretty well gives away the fact that he's woke: at one point he lumps "patriarchy" together with racism.

[@bryanpark8098]

I'm a Wheaton college alum who advises parents with high school kids not to send their kids to Wheaton.

[@leewilkinson8328]

Also a grad, and have many friends in the college, but have serious concerns about the school.

[@brianmidmore2221]

This seemed to me like moral superiority (pride) that he is trying to disguise by false humility.

[@aribbonatatime]

Next time I run out of soy sauce I can listen to that speech again and save myself a trip to the store 🤣

[@Ransetsu]

Nice hahaha!

[@thinsomestone]

I graduated Wheaton in 2009. Man, I got stories… the writing was on the wall even then

[@patw15]

O My Goodness - God help us and all those young people. Lord please help them find their way to You - the True God of the Bible.

[@orbyfan]

Wheaton College went woke decades ago. In 1984, 18 Wheaton professors signed an open letter, which they distributed to the student body, supporting the Mondale/Ferraro ticket in that year's election. Wheaton somehow maintains its "evangelical" reputation because Billy Graham and Elisabeth Elliot went there, although that was back in the days when the St. Louis Browns still existed.

[@ruthmayforth5933]

Not sure if you are aware, but Billy Graham claimed to be a democrat.

[@conceptualclarity]

@@orbyfan I think the fact that the Religious Right arose in the late 20th century and we had prominent leaders like D James Kennedy, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Bill Bright served to mask the fact that behind the scenes the evangelical intelligentsia was thoroughly under the control of left-leaning people. What happened was that generation of conservative leaders died out in the 21st century and leaders who were the ideological offspring of the left-wing evangelical intelligentsia came to the forefront in the YRR and the SBC and many other places.

[@justinhadley2583]

The self importance of this guy. If a lot of mature Christians disagree with ideas you are getting from a hostile culture it is wise to consider.

[@MargotDeux]

Thank you for the great commentary. It's heartening to hear someone who fully understands the social justice warriors and how dangerous they are. May your tribe increase. But please be very careful when lumping therapists into the purple-haired freakshow camp. I'm a rarity, to say the least. I went back to grad school when I was 48, for a second master's degree, 24 years after the first. Seeing how education has become mere indoctrination was crushing. I challenged my professors who pushed CRT and other horrible ideologies---at a so-called Christian university. Was nearly kicked out simply for politely expressing another perspective. I kid you not. After graduating (thank God), I have worked as a decidedly "non-woke" LPC. Believe me when I say there is a place for healthy therapy, from someone who, while not a "Christian therapist," uses biblical principles daily with people who would rather choke than visit a church. We therapists are not all insane or broken. Some of us truly help people and find ways to show TRUTH covertly--- because that's the only way many unbelievers will hear it. They would never, ever see a "Christian counselor" (who, though often wonderful, have their issues as well). Being a Christian who is a counselor is a way to minister in pretty amazing ways. Again, please don't lump all therapists as useless and odd.

[@anitasmith203]

The chance of finding a Christian therapist, psychologist, etc is almost nil! Our local churches must promote these Christians in their area if they exist.

[@terristrange]

That dude was super BETA

[@laurenkuo2333]

I'm with Uncle Jim. He wonders why he lost 80% of his church.

[@reys7510]

False teachers abound!

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

Uncle Jim is really growing on me

[@richardwpage]

I wish someone would restore this "pastor" with a gentle spirit as to the foolishness he has been espousing. This guy has completely lost himself in the lies of "woke" ideology.

[@greggpurviance7252]

Maybe a little arrogant, in addition

[@kathleensanford1950]

This was very interesting, Jon. Thanks for taking the time to talk about it. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[@Klasniedryg]

I am the Uncle! haha :)

[@Ransetsu]

Yes.

[@PeterJRam]

More Biblical common-sense-per-minute than the average podcast! Thank you, Jon.

[@SgtRock1985]

Thank you for fast forwarding some of this at least.

[@greggpurviance7252]

Yah, Wheaton College hasn't been "conservative" for years

[@Danomight]

Probably because being conservative has been at odds with being a Christian for years.

[@conceptualclarity]

​@@Danomight not ardently opposing the Left is strongly at odds with being a Christian

[@greggpurviance7252]

​@@sw3783looking at a mirror it looks like bro

[@greggpurviance7252]

​@@Danomightprobably not, but you go ahead and you do you

[@paulvoit5610]

​@@DanomightSo, for decades and centuries before that being conservative wasn't at odds with being Christian? Your comment is incoherent nonsense.

[@lydiabouts8572]

I'm so sick of "invitation"..."inviting in"...😑

[@sevgibson]

How do so many get to this point where their lens of Scripture is so limited to the cultural context they're living in! Scripture should be the lens through which we see culture!

[@marymack1]

Do they consider globalism as extremist?

[@conceptualclarity]

No, that's the atmosphere they breathe

[@johntobey1558]

The globalism that is spoken about on campus us exclusively through the lens of Evangelism. World Christian fellowship meets every Sunday noght fir tge last 80 years and welcomes back missionaries to talk to students, and to inspire tgem to reach the world for achrost.​@conceptualclarity

[@Lilly2Gbtg]

😮. I never thought about that until you asked that question. Brilliant! TY.

[@spiritandflesh8477]

The evangelical facade popped in 2020 and there was no longer any question as to who the wolves were. God forbid Christians actually stand for Christ and take him at his word. No, that’s zealotry. Lol

[@reys7510]

Know a kid that went to Westmont College. Came back a DEI convert and was for abortion. WTH??

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

A friend's kid went there. Came home and announced he is LGBTQ................

[@sethevans1506]

This “pastor” epitomizes the Principal Skinner meme lol

[@justinwiebe2459]

Thankfully it wasn't too much of an issue, but I'm thankful my dad warned me to be extra discerning going to a Christian University, because the temptation is to let your guard down and implicitly trust what you're being taught.

[@orbyfan]

More evidence that you can't be a satirist anymore: Caleb Campbell, the woke pastor in this video, is the author of the recently-published "Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor," from the once-reliable Inter Varsity Press. I don't hear much love for those neighbours coming from him in this speech. He's a leader in the social gospelly Surge Network in Phoenix, and has done interviews (which you can find on KZbin) with the notorious Curtis Chang and Julie Roys. He also has "An Honest Conversation on Christian Nationalism;" whenever you see that title, you can bet that it will be anything but honest.

[@conceptualclarity]

@@orbyfan I heard that the After Party did a big program out there for its political education agenda for churches. I'll bet he was involved in that

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

@@orbyfan oh good grief

[@sethevans1506]

Guys… this “pastor” is a little lady. What an absolute Mary

[@millerjeff]

Sounds a lot like Tim Keller and JD Greer used to speak.

[@jenninscory]

He needs to get unburdened by what has been. I laughed when you said sounds like a guy who goes to counseling :)

[@NB-bi3bx]

He shows such disrespect to others. The opposite of his 'counsel'.

[@skenzyme81]

Somebody ask this pastor if saying the *"N-word"* is more sinful than *adultery* or *stealing.*

[@chachachachan]

Could it have been that his theology and teaching was a reason to leave and not the Nationalism boiling up in their hearts? Could he have shut down the church during covid and made people fell bad for not masking?

[@laurenkuo2333]

This guy has been over counseled. Where is the Gospel?

[@Mamabear0629]

Why is he claiming that his uncle the one that is polarized just because they disagree?

[@rey1454]

Remember all those scriptural references to not promoting the patriarchy?

[@hecvec1172]

"my counselor" 😂

[@theresa42213]

As soon as he mentioned ''Thanksgiving table'' l thought about MSNBC anchors. Not the Thanksgiving table! YAWN. He's telling that a colonizer is someone that says ''live out your Christian faith like me'' ...while telling all of us to live out his Christian faith like him ...''not like uncle Jim' Calling us Xenophobic, bigoted? l hope everyone listening to him is board silly as we are.

[@Mamabear0629]

Easy for this guy to talk badly about covid. Yet he lived in Phoenix that was very open. We live in Phoenix. The cowardly churches that stayed closed showed their cards and lost people. The brave guys stood out and attracted many. Maybe he’s bitter. We moved to Driscoll’s church, as did many others at that time. I know he gets a bad wrap, but his church was really a lighthouse to much of the valley at that time.

[@CGGeary]

"I'm not like THOSE Christians" seems to be the message evangelicals have wanted to communicate with the world for the last decade at least. Moral grandstanding instead of gospel proclamation.

[@sueh2970]

I do find high school church leaders become lead pastors but doesn’t seem to be more biblically mature. Also lead worship leaders /bands are very skilled but seem to also be less biblically mature.

[@laurenkuo2333]

He's written a book on loving your nationalist neighbors? Seriously?

[@Ransetsu]

I could have saved him the trouble :"to love your neighbor, love your nation and people."

[@NB-bi3bx]

They could save themselves some time and just watch "How to Talk to Your Racist MAGA Uncle This Thanksgiving" from The B Bee.

[@homerk2479]

Hey Caleb, did it occur to you that you are the only thing common to 300+ broken relationships? (26:00)

[@JamesRiddle_Christ_is_King]

I'm guessing this dude's 300 close friends are friends and their families. Like, if 100 people leave his church and on average each person has a spouse and a kid, maybe it's that. It's still crazy.

[@c.m.granger6870]

How does this guy not get called out for this drivel? And I've never been anxious in my life. Who raised this guy?

[@jessica7333]

The fruit of the spirit is definitely not showing in this pastor.

[@nodramamomma2777]

Being anxious shows spiritual immaturity.

[@brockd15]

Sounds like 80% of his congregation called him out and it didn't phase him

[@justinhadley2583]

One wonders how this speaking pastor still has his church and was not kicked out by his elders.

[@dcazador7401]

He’s worse than woke. He doesn’t even know where his ideas come from. Not from the Bible, that’s for sure.

[@joshuamichael2463]

What is a Wheaton college? Should we be concerned?

[@anitasmith203]

That pastor's symptoms could more likely been caused by mRNA jabs. But no, that cause is never considered. As far as politics goes, the Christian must look at the policies and agendas pushed, not the personality of the candidate and therefore Trump is our best choice for upholding our Christian ethos, whereas the other choice is the pushing of culture of death.

[@spitfireap77]

If you're a pastor and you use words like "racial reconciliation" and "social action" I'm automatically suspicious of you.

[@ZephaniahL]

Did R. J. Rushdoony advocate violence in his day?

[@justinhadley2583]

Sounds like all the people he thinks is spiritually superior to followed Galatians 6.

[@evelynrowland1993]

Perhaps the most condescending self righteous unhelpful stuff I’ve listened to to date. Just wondering if they find Jim and Elizabeth Elliot ‘problematic’?

[@danielwarton5343]

How many people left the guy’s church in 2020 because he stayed closed or made them wear masks or pushed jabs? I don’t know if he did but to lose that many there’s more to the story

[@justinhadley2583]

Creates division, laments division. This pastor engaged in DARVO.

[@shawngillogly6873]

High view of Scripture. High view of Jesus. Doesn't mention a single text or address an actual Biblical Ethics issue.

[@PeterM8987]

Steeping into the season? Cringe. This bloke is fully committed to progressivism.

[@AustinGonder]

You can just tell in this guy’s body language that he is woke and low T

[@minutebooks3245]

Like Paul? Be followers of me the way I follow Christ.

[@designbuild7128]

Nice list of sins that 'preacher' parroted from the world; some I can't find in the bible; but as long as you're wired for sins we know and that have been around more than 10 minutes, Jesus and this pastor's missions team can work with you.