Cool and Innovative But.... || Evolution Table Saw || Review

[@matthewstanton9633]

Had this table for about 5 years and it is equal parts bad and good. The good is the amazing ability to cut metals of all types up to about 20mm thick and the clever way it carriage is integrated. The fence is also surprisingly stable and quite solid and it's fairly light and easily transportable. The bad is that although the top at a glance looks cast its not and its not particularly level either. The carriage although clever doesn't run very true and I have had to Shim mine out to make, it glide without any wobble The measure guide I have Never used nor the extension piece I just tape from the blade to the fence (usually more accurate in any case) the extensions are a little weak but I have manged to use the right hand side extension to house a quite beefy router with no real issues. All in all not a bad attempt and can produce accurate cuts as long as you are careful setting it up properly. Forgot to add the aluminium fence is made quite thin and needs a decent ply face to make more it solid and durable

[@matthewstanton9633]

By the way that mitre gauge don't bother just throw it away immediately it's utterly dreadful

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thank you for this detailed write up on the Evolution saw. I try and show as many details and up close shots of features as possible. What I can’t show is years of owner experiences. Thanks for watching!

[@willholt100]

The table is die cast.

[@matthewstanton9633]

@@willholt100 correction (and an error on my part) its cast alluminium not iron

[@garymorin4813]

I've had one for 3 years, I say this comments sums it up very well

[@BrianWashington-jc6ig]

I bought this mitre saw in June 2014, and I remodeled my basement with it. It it sturdy and it works great kzbin.infoUgkxKL3MYO42eA2JbKxs7_Q0tmRGZI4Ow4Ar . There's not a lot of extra play in the adjustments and it is definitely well built. It is lighter than higher-end sliding double bevel models, so I can move it myself, which is nice. When I had to cut 2x10 lumber, I had to flip the boards over and cut twice; but since most of my cutting was on smaller dimension lumber, the weight reduction and significantly lower price seemed to be a better trade off for the boards I did have to flip. Late in the project, I was able to borrow a DW718, and the sliding feature does make fast work of 2x10s, but it is a tank, and I stand by my choice of the DW715. I also added a laser guide (one of the arbor replacement style sold on Amazon), which is nice to have, but definitely not needed.

[@johnvodopija]

I’ve had my Rage5S for about 4 years and can offer the following: 1. The blade guard is rubbish and I never use it (riving knife stays in of course) 2. The smaller fence is a waste of time and I never use it. I do use the holes in the fence and thumb screws to hold a sacrificial fence 3. I have built my saw into a cabinet so the rails remain fully extended and are rock solid (as such I have added a separate tape) 4. The fence can be adjusted so it locks paralllel Thank you for the review. It’s good to see how others find the saw. Cheers 👍😎🇦🇺

[@brianfreeman8290]

AT LAST ! I've had mine for over a year and have watched grillions of review vids trying to grasp the mysteries of the dual scale. I'm still a tad confused, but you are the FIRST to offer any help whatsoever. THANK YOU !

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Glad I could help!

[@lafamillecarrington]

I'm a fan of the Rage 5S. It is far from perfect, but it has allowed me to make some great items, despite being a woodworking newbie. It probably doesn't suit the DIYer who expects everything to be working perfectly out of the box, but if you are happy to adjust the blade and check that the fence is at 90º, it does an amazing job for the price. That said, I had to dismantle and file down the aluminium on the fence as it had been extremely poorly made, the blade insert is way too flexible (Evolution now sell an improved insert), and there is way too much play in the mitre sled, so a crosscut sled is a must.

[@brucemoniz334]

I've used table saws all my life an I always use a tape to measure from blade to fence I never even look at the scale on the saw

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Me too and definitely if I owned this saw. Thanks for watching!

[@azzaron270]

I'm looking to buy my first table saw and this one really caught my eye. The fence and rail issues are a large concern for me as I likely won't have it built into a bench where everything would be solid all the time. Again, thank you for your thorough review. There are others that are fairly thorough but you take the reviews to a level that really is very much needed, desired and highly appreciated! Well done!

[@dalepres1]

What a fantastic review and testing of the fence. Not only did you do a great job in highlighting the concerns on this saw but you taught a great lesson on how to test and troubleshoot fence problems. I'm having a hard time considering anything other than SawStop but I'm always looking for something cheaper, too. Thanks for the great review.

[@niffrig]

@dalespres1 A Sawstop to a $350 contractor Revolution is a bit weird

[@dalepres1]

@@niffrig Oh, no, you must misunderstand me. Any contractor saw, including SawStop, is only worth about 800 dollars for a blade spinning by a motor. I'll pay 800 for a SawStop Contractor saw and pay in advanced another 1000 for my finger. My finger is worth it.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thank you. I was kinda expecting the fence to be trouble but the lock for the rails threw me for a loop. I haven’t used the small Sawstop saws yet but we’ll get to them eventually. Thanks for the comment!

[@puritan7473]

Good review, I bought this saw after having the 255mm compound sliding mitre saw and loving it. I was dissapointed at the potentially dangerous inacuracy of the fence but for the money, especially as I got it on a sale, I am happy with it. If I was using it every day, or even every week, I would deffinitely look for something more solid with better build quality.

[@minnesnowtan9970]

You do so many reviews, so when I found the made in USA table saw I scanned the reviewers and was glad to find yours. Your expertise and judgement help me a lot. Thank you!

[@michaelgregson5165]

Fair comments on the table saw, I've just bought one of these and had no problem with the fence moving, I think for the price you just have to treat it with respect and not bang it about it works fine. Regarding the fence storage, mine fits in the side of the saw quite nicely.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Glad to hear is worked out well for you. Thanks for the insight and for watching!

[@jswilson64]

I've had this saw for about 3 years. For the price it's a good saw. If you just need to rip pieces of lumber or flooring, it's great - did a couple of home projects where this saw was used for ripping wood all day and it was great. If that's all you want your table saw to do, stop reading here. But... it's just imprecise. The blade wobbles side to side when you raise/lower it, and the angle can drift when you raise and lower it. You have to check your blade angle every time you raise or lower the blade. Build a sled, make your first cut, square up the fence, raise the blade to cut your material and... the blade is in a different spot side-to-side than it was on your first cut. But the biggest issue is the miter slots. They're not the "standard" 3/4 x 3/8 size, they're weird. The miter gage is loose in the slots. Since they're not standard, you can't easily replace the runner. Lock the miter gage to the sliding table (after you spend half an hour truing it up) and there's still some wiggle. My saw's miter slots vary in width from front to back, so if you cut runners for a sled, they're either going to bind in one spot or they're going to be loose in another spot. ***AND*** the miter slots are not parallel to each other. You cannot make a sled that has runners in both slots and have it run smooth -it's either going to bind or there's going to be some wobble.

[@arisskarpetis]

All true. This saw will drive you nuts once you try to do things other than construction. It can sort of do them but you will suffer.

[@peace4peaceful]

The more i see of this saw the more i want a Metabo. The Plastic, the fence. The fence measure. I think id be there all day figuring how to use it. Thanks for the insightfull video.

[@mpowersmedia3219]

I was actually on evolutions website looking to buy the R185CCSX track saw with the extension kit and it was gonna cost 278.00 plus tax and I ended up buying this table saw instead because it was only 100.00 more and I got the R185CCSX saw without the track for free which I couldn't pass up since I'm remodeling a mobile home. I like you was in it for the metal cutting capability. So I know have 2 of these great blades. Just put the table saw together last night and it wasn't so bad only thing I had questions about was the calibration which lead me here. Great video, I appreciate your detail. I now know how to make sure my blade is straight and how to adjust and set up the fence correctly even though the instructions do explain it, I have never owned a table saw before so it was a little hard to understand with more than one "0" on the measuring tape the black one and orange one. My only dislikes really are the fence of course but mainly that extremely wobbly blade guide but if I don't use it I don't have the saw dust collection option. I actually watched your first video where you skipped over the installation of the blade guard leading me here where you covered it. Glad I found your channel you seem to have lots of videos I will enjoy binge watching. Tools, tools and tools I love them. By the way on mine the side that stores the push stick is made to hold the miter gauge. The round foot fits into the slot just under the push blade in the very middle. Screw it out all the way and it slides right in there. The way it fits makes me think this is what it's for and if not we'll it still works pretty well for it so check it out. I did have one issue from rhe start right outta the box which i think theh should change which is already having the scews with tiny lock washer and washer installed on the extension. My box was in pretyy rough shape when UPS dropped it off so since the very first step was zero out and line up rear extension flush then adjust ride height i came across the problem of one of the screws had rattled loose and fell out, leaving only the metal square peice it threads into. So i was in dead water on step one. But after deciding to move on and assemble tbe rest and contact evolution later, i flipped the unit over and out fell the screw along with the washer so i just used a tiny lock washer just the same size I happened to already have. Crisis diverted but i think they need to just keep all the hardware together in a bag for this reason. I also didnt like the amount of play the miter gauge had in the track so a quick fix was to flip it over and place a strip of gorilla tape making sure to cut of a hole for the set screw which works pretty well. Overall for the price I paid for what I got Im not complaining. I feel like its a better than average first time buyers table saw. For those of us who cant afford Festool. Got a new subscriber now so thank you. Going to go watch some more of your videos now. Keep up the great content.

[@neilltranter2319]

Would fitting a spacer next to the spring work to lock the rail down tighter ?

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Good question and possibly? This saws in storage so I can’t look but we may revisit this one eventually. Thanks for watching!

[@richjames4445]

Great video. You should see the new Evolution R10” TBL+ soon to launch in the USA. It’s constantly sold out in the UK. It’s leaps and bounds above the Rage5s.

[@wedothework4105]

Really wish I'd seen this video 3 days ago. I literally just finished putting mine together today. Although I agree with every single assessment and opinion you have, I must say that this saw is better than the amputation/mutilation/death machine that is my Ryobi table saw (that piece of garbage is basically an upside down circular saw with a piece of scrap metal as a fence). I used my evolution to tune up some boards for a cutting board glue up. It's no DeWalt, but it seemed to make okay joints. I'm perpetually terrified of getting my teeth knocked out by a bad kick back, so I'm glad you pointed out how the extenders can make the fence out of square. This seems to just be a testament to the "cry once, buy once" idea....I should have just sucked up a little more overtime and gotten a solid DeWalt, or remortgaged my house for a SawStop.

[@janee7995]

2:45 what goes there is your bladeguard / safetycap however you want to call it . Metabo ts254 has a same storage space They made a cheap copy of the ts254.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thanks for watching!

[@garymorin4813]

I've had my rage foe 3 years, finally :)

[@greghauptmann]

What would be the least expensive table saw for DIYer that wouldn’t have these issues? Eg portable one like this but one that gets ok (not fantastic) reviews. Any recommendations?

[@Eye_can_see_you]

Thanks for the video, very useful. I was leaning towards buying one but the issues with the fence and rail you drmoed is a show stopper. I've had a cheep tablesaw in the past that cantered that made wonky cuts. No good. I guess I'll need to dig deeper into my pockets for the Dewalt table. Thanks again.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Glad I helped! Thanks for watching!

[@Lwimmermastermetalart]

The 2024 saw has many improvements. For the money I think it’s the best there is. The thing about eveloution is their all purpose blade. I have one of their chop saws and it is unbelievable. Fast and accurate. Now for only wood use I’d use a different blade for sure. Just think how nice this saw would really be if they used aluminum knobs instead of plastic ones. I’m a toolmaker so when I get time I’m going to make them. I don’t like orange plastic lol. Anodized aluminum will make this look 100% better not to mention stronger . I love your reviews. The best channel on here for them.👍🏼👍🏼

[@Lwimmermastermetalart]

Dude what is up? I’ve been trying my best to get this new Evolution saw. Your review and channel are great and I’m wondering just how you got your hands on this thing? With all the videos on here I watched I came to realize the old saw was a Rage 5 and certainly NOT the saw I want. So I called Evolution and spoke at great length with a VERY nice customer service guy. Turns out this new model is ONLY available in the UK, and is 240 volt not 110. ( which wasn’t a problem for me) They don’t expect it to be available in the states till Feb 2025. I’m bummed . Evolution was founded in Sheffield England and supposedly as big as DeWalt and Milwaukee . I wish I had the patience to wait for one, but patience isn’t my virtue. Now I’m guessing because you’re a big influencer here is why you got your hands on one. Again I do appreciate your channel.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I spoke with Evolution a couple weeks ago and they were hoping to have one to me late this year. I’m excited to see that saw too. I’ve reviewed three Evo miter saws to date and all have been excellent. We’ll get that table saw vid out as soon as it shows up. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel!!!!

[@Lwimmermastermetalart]

So sorry I was a bit confused until now. After watching so dang many videos on here I just realized this one was on the Rage 5 and not the new R225 which I thought it was. So now it all makes sense to me. I forgot to ask them if they would be 110 volts when they were available here. There is a big difference between the old and new and you’ve pointed out all the negative features on the Rage 5. Not wanting to wait months I’ll go with the Skil. A few less features but appears to be the best at that price range. I’m retired and have a metal and wood shop. More metal than wood but still need a table saw upgrade over my Ryobi, which is basically junk. Keep the great vids coming young man.👍🏼👍🏼

[@4DXTProductions]

rack and pinion fence all the way for me anyway. glad i went with the dewalt 7492 I was looking at this for ages

[@AntoineLegoux]

It is the same design of fence on the metabo TS254. To have a more precise reading I took the habit of pulling the fence towards me as I tighten it. it solve the problem, the fence gets parallel with the blade. , but I agree it is painful!

[@speak_na]

Maybe dewalt can take notes and add the incorporated sled to one of their tried and true tablesaws as that is a really neat feature for a smaller sized saw. Especially because I don't know if evolution has the ability as a company to redesign and re manufacture this saw to a higher degree of accuracy and precision.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I agree I’d love to see that slider on other saws. It works excellent. I go into all my reviews cold but I do look at the online product reviews on the manufactures website to see if there’s any problems to watch for. Going by some reviews it would seem this saw is the weak link in Evos product line but we’ll get the chop saw soon to figure it out. Thanks for the comment!

[@MemelordSupreme]

I wish ryobi would bring back the BT3000 that system was phenomenal back in the day. If it was modernized, it'd be a beast.

[@1steelcobra]

Sawstop has sliders as options on their Contractor and higher models, at least, but it's be nice to see on a sub-$3K saw.

[@willholt100]

Evolution have a brand new range of table saws which have been redesigned from the ground up in house, which will be launching towards the end of the year with a lot of improvements.

[@funkmanone]

It seems like all these different saws purposely have certain great features to draw you in but then combine these great features with glaring flaws that you are supposed to overlook due to the advantages. It is not by accident that all of these great features have not been assimilated into a single saw. The sawstop story alone tells us a lot about the inadequacies of the industry. Like right now I’m really wanting to get the jobsite skilsaw with the great motor, cart, and rack/ pinion fence. But it combines these aspects with glaring flaws such as crappy plastic parts and floating motor carriage blade angle adjustment.

[@basilparkes338]

Excellent review Mike. I’m a total novice and planning to get one of these, you have given me many points to consider before purchasing this table saw and I thank you very much. 👏👏

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Glad the vid helped Basil! Thanks for watching!

[@martyc513]

Reminds me of my Ryobi BT3000. Looks like they took a lot of those ideas/features and tried to make it less expensive.

[@atrainace114]

I dont know if anyone knows but is the bracket on the right side for the blade guard if it's being stored.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I assumed but couldn’t figure it out! Thanks for watching!

[@amasasears2313]

Does the stand come with it ?

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

It does but the assembly instructions suck. New vids with this with this saw to fix its issues coming soon. Check out my assembly vid if you pick this up. Thanks for watching!

[@amasasears2313]

Thank you for the info on stand and setup of saw

[@garymorin4813]

The stand is all part of it, I think it took me 20-30mins to set it all up, works well

[@DirtDiving77]

Hey Mike, do you like this table saw better than the skil table saw?

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Nope get the Skil! Thanks for watching!

[@grantwellsphoto9779]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the depth of the track that the mitre gauge slides in. It is not standard. You can't use a higher quality after market gauge...it wont fit. This also creates problems if you try to make use of custom slides when building sleds etc.

[@barrymathison]

Hello this is Barry. I was talking to you about the hose that goes with it. I'm talking about the Shop-Vac hose or the hose that came with the vacuum cleaner itself. Sorry if I didn't say that before. Barry, good day!

[@James-dk2df]

Have you done anything on the Masterforce table saw from Menards.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I haven’t but we’ll get to it eventually. Thanks for watching!

[@James-dk2df]

@@ProjectsForAllReviews thank you i am very interested in this one

[@BrianMiller-v8x]

Will it take a dado blade?

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

No dado on this one. Thanks for watching!

[@paulcapon1139]

Did you set the saw up before giving this review ? A few simple set up procedures seems to rectify all of the faults that you're bringing up. I hope you get to review the new model. It seems to have upgraded all the "cheap" feel items.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I saw the reveal on the UK site. Nothing in the US about that table saw yet but I’m hopeful it’ll come here. Thanks for watching Paul!

[@andrewsimpson9435]

I like most of the features but the fence seems really poor. Any idea if you mounted the saw permenantly in a bench and removed the extensions, maybe fix the fence guide too. Would this get rid of any of the issues?

[@laurentdumas3198]

Hi Mike, I have just seen a review of a brand new Evolution table saw ( R255TBL+ reviewed on Small Barn Workshop channel - a Brit guy that lives in south west France ) that is very close to Skil tablesaw as well as the Erbauer's one. Looks like it's coming out of the same factory in China. Unlike the Rage 5, it has a rack and pinion fence. It has no folding legs but a troley ( optional ) similar to the Skilsaw one. This review does not mention details such as - arbor size : It's Evolution's 25.4 mm weird size : It's a pity as standard 30 mm bore would allow more blade choices. Is the waranty still valid with blades other than Evolution's ones ?. Are the rpm of the blades lower than the one of Skill or Erbauer to be able to cut metal and does this rotation speed gives neat cuts such as skil or Erbauer ? I beleive it would be worth a Mike's detailed review if of course this new saw is available in the US. Here in France, it should be available just after easter. PS : New review of this tablesaw on Woodwork Journey channel released today

[@muchsake]

that "weird 25.4mm" is one inch.

[@cullenbohannon7099]

I was impressed for price point and quality of the miter saw but that this seems to be very cheaply made but does have potential if they make some upgrades

[@scotttalkowski691]

The slot on the side that you didn't know what went there may be for the blade guard if you need to take it off, you'll have a place to put it, It's a bit similar on the Hercules Table Saw.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I’ll bet you are correct but I tried it every way I could think of to no avail. Thanks for watching!

[@stuartlambert5059]

To get around the problem with the fence, pull it towards you and then 'pump' the handle a couple of times as you lock it. That will make it mostly parallel, most of the time. I have this table saw and totally agree with everything you said!

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

My first solid mistake as a KZbin reviewer was forgetting to check the return policy on this saw when I ordered it. $280 to ship it back. Now that it’s mine forever my choices are throw it out or fix it. Watch for more vids on this one. I’m going to make this saw not suck or die trying! Thanks for watching!

[@ScottyDrake]

Thank you for a good, honest opinion. It looks like Evolution has offered some good ideas, but unfortunately, they're put in a very flimsy package. I'm still convinced that the way to go is to save up $680 and go with either the Delta 36-725t2 or its Ridgid twin.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

The Deltas not a bad idea at all. The Evolution is a pretty big disappointment. I’m hoping the Evo chop saw makes up for it. Thanks for watching!

[@cwb8047]

I appreciate your efforts and giving this an evaluation. Personally when you buy any lower end price tool you're going to have challenges that are either easy to deal with or they amount to so much that the price compromise isn't sufficient to justify the lack of quality. Personally for 50 years of using table saws I've never trusted the measure scale on the saw rails. I was taught to pull a tape and that's what I do. Even with high end saws and fences that cost as much as the saw. Only once did I get bullied into using one. When I worked in a small shop with a man who was umm crazy. Border personality defect. I could never please him even though my work was good enough to sell for thousands of dollars and good enough for him to say he made it. Oh well life is too short. Anyway he insisted that I trust the fence scale. Which I only did while he was looking. Too me, I want to do my set up with the same tool I measured the section or size of wherever the piece is going to fit. That way deferences in the scale and measuring tool doesn't matter. Clearly we all work differently, typically out of experience and training, so our comfort level comes from that. Hey whatever works best for you and whoever. Good video, I did like some of the features of the saw. However they're execution seems unreliable to me.

[@garymorin4813]

I have the same saw for 3 years in the UK, it's not perfect but fine for the money. I've actually just gone out and had a look to see if the table extensions can side on mine, and yes if you hit it it will move, I cut my hand trying :). Having said that it's never caused a problem in the pass, may be it because I always measure and not use the scale. I don't use the little addon to fence, but overall the fence works ok. I do take my time and measure 3 or 4 times, (to make up for my lack of skill) so it works ok for me. I guess if I needed something more robust and I could bang stuff through it quickly I be paying a bit more, but for £300 it's fine

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thanks for the insight Gary!

[@ST-0311]

Well done. An honest and fair review. Great features, but unfortunately lacking in quality. I expect a lot of watchers will like the miter sled; however, it's not really a new concept. It's actually very reminiscent of my 1st table saw the Ryobi BTS15. The BTS15 was made by (Blue) Ryobi way back, and used a miter panel that was interchangeable with a regular flat table panel. Unfortunately, neither of the panels had integrated miter slots. Nor was there a miter slot on the fence side. The only way to cut a miter was with the sled function. That saw was a scary beast, because it didn't have a riving knife. It had a splitter and pawls as part of the bladed guard, which would move due to the way it was mounted. When the guard was removed, there was no kickback prevention mechanism at all. That said, it served me well for around 25 years, until I upgraded to a Rigid contractor saw, then to the Delta 36-725T2. Oddly, I sometimes miss the old BTS15 in a "So glad the damned thing is gone" kinda way. It's pretty cool that Evolution incorporated the sled, but found a way to include miter slots. Too bad the rest of the saw falls short in the QC department.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thank you! Checked out that Ryobi. It wold they made a saw without miter slots! I don’t remember which model blue Ryobi I had but it was the bottom model for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@wwmilanl]

Like others have say, the only great thing is the SLED, but all the other problems shown in a great way in your video really live you no choice other than to return. Great video as always. Thanks

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Agreed! I dislike returning tools I buy for reviews as it’s not my intention to “borrow” them. I really don’t feel comfortable selling this one with the rail issue though. Thanks for watching!

[@konradrogowski360]

Hi I'm just purchasing the saw and love your explanation I have seen on another video that the blade knife has been altered by tightening the nut that connects it this guy had the same issue with it so worth a try he even bought a new one and it was the same slightly out of line hope this helps yours konrad

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thanks for watching Konrad!

[@kevincinnamontoast3669]

Is the plastic high quality?

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Im doing a follow up vid with this saw to fix some of its issues. I'll take a closer look at its construction in that vid. Thanks for watching!

[@AlfaRomeoFenomeno]

Thank you for an honest review. I’m admiring your open minded approach. Fully agree with the conclusion. Unfortunately market is full of such crap. I have bought a similar design Bosch PTS10 some 12 years ago. Has the same siding feed table and even worse fence (upgraded recently but still poor). What is more shocking even their professional range is the same just in blue color and few hundred more. There is almost nothing to choose from. Except Dewalt that in my opinion has it all right especially thanks to the rack and pinion fence and build quality. Almost matches much more expensive cabinet saws. Anyway Evolution excels in blades. I own their 14” metal chop saw. The earlier model without quick slide clamp. Cuts steel like butter. Even massive pieces. But the quality is so poor! You can’t rely on the scale for accuracy. Had to make my own jig for setting 90 and 45 degree cuts. Absolutely horrible.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I find these tools pretty fascinating. This saw is made for heavy duty tasks but is flimsy and cheaply made. Who is this made for? It is really bizarre. I plan to buy the 10 inch sliding dual bevel chop saw soon for review and to keep. Can’t wait to see the build quality on that one. Thanks for the comment!

[@xXJasonardoXx]

The sliding miter isn't a new Idea. In Canada here; I have a Mastercraft table saw that I've had for about 12 years or so that has this feature. the issue with that is - there is left to right play in the sliding table, and the gauge only fits into the front of the table, there is no slot to slide it forward and back - or to allow for a custom sled. I recently have tried to tighten up the sloppiness of the sled with ok results - but it's not perfect. Wondering if anyone is using this sliding deck design and how they find it in day to day use. Considering going with the Skil just to get a standard table top (the rack and pinion is obviously an nice bonus too).

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

So it would have been $280 to ship this saw back so I kept it. We’ll be doing more vids with it soon to fix the loose extension problem. We’ll have a closer look at the sled design too. The Skil is far superior in design though. Thanks for watching!

[@jawnTem]

Love your reviews and I purchase the Skill from one. On this saw it seems that they cheeped out in favor of other things. I was wondering if a person couldn't just purchase the blade for cutting metal and install it on another saw?

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

The 1 inch arbor hole in these blades poses a challenge but I’m sure it can be done. Thanks for watching!

[@Msports410]

I wanted to mention to you, friend, they just came out with a new saw that I had to get. It's a 14" mitering metal chop saw. It's not cheap, but it's amazing. I haven't truly set it up yet to cut, but I don't doubt it will eat metal like it isn't there their metal saw have always been incredible.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

That’s a serious looking chop saw! Hopefully I can get one for review soon!

[@vincejm]

Does anyone know why they have that smaller fence, bolted to the larger one? The large fence, looks like it would work quite well without it. This has also been the best review of this table saw that I have watched, thanks for doing this.

[@stecornes]

I believe this is to stop the blade guard hitting the fence when cutting thin strips.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

My guess as well. It’s hard to use the push stick to clear the material with the blade guard there. Thanks for watching

[@FinlayMcPherson]

This is my understanding: On bigger professional table saws (panel saws) it is possible and recommended to push back the fence, so it does not cover the complete blade. This should avoid that the cutted material can get stuck between blade and fence, escecially when doing long, long rip cuts in solid wood, as this can twist and bend right during the cut. Or avoid small pieces to get in contact with the upcoming backside of the blade so easily and is pushed back. As the fence here is clamping on both sides and has to go all the way across the table, this "rip fence face plate" simulates the above. (And of course helps with cutting smaller parts, as those panel saw fences (from above) often can be flipped from high to low profile) But here we find another tiny show stopper at the evolution (I own one): If you push back this "rip fence face plate" following their manual it hangs over and could interfere with the too wide handle of the main fence.

[@barrymathison]

Do you have extra hose that goes up as skill? Saw the 10-in 15 amp. If you got extra hose maybe the extra hose fits in there. I can't tell you don't give a good downward vision on the video. Thank you papa. You're very interesting by the way

[@milleradam98]

I want to do love this saw. But that fence, omg. It's just a deal breaker. That's all I can say about it. Thank you for doing such thorough, in depth reviews, alot of channels don't do long reviews but there are those that appreciate it

[@milleradam98]

Looking at the specs and features of this saw made me feel happy like when my son went to trade school. Seeing it's features in action made me feel like if he told me he's leaving trade school to be a professional mime....

[@gardenogauge]

Mine was rubbish. The fence could not be set square to the table and the blade could not be set square to the table either. The adjustment screw was stripped from the factory. I would suggest spending that bit more money on something like the DeWalt

[@bsheen]

I have this saw...for about 2 months now. Only used it a few times on a job. The fence is GARBAGE!. I had the same high hopes for it. But it's terrible. Just bought the Hercules saw....still in the box. That is now getting returned because I didn't realize you couldn't do full 3/4" dados until I saw your review. UGH. That is going back and I just ordered the larger Skill 10" saw you reviewed. I appreciate your efforts.

[@mastercraft5798]

Great review PFA, it deserves more likes.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thank you!!!

[@CraftyCrafty]

Awesome put the machine through its paces, lets's see it work on more stuff. 🤔🤔

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

This saws going back to Evolution. I can’t in good conscience sell it second hand if the fence walks when used. We are definitely getting the dual bevel sliding miter saw. It takes the same exact blade. Hopefully it’ll have no issues to focus on and we can just cut a ton with it. Thanks for watching!

[@krisf4704]

Thanks for the great review. After your previous video and the stellar customer service you received I was curious if the saw would be similar level of quality, especially after seeing so much plastic in the initial review. I did get a laugh on the Ridgid fence comparison. I have the R4512 and at that time was upgrading from a lower end Craftsman jobsite saw so a huge step up for me. Saw still runs great but the fence does leave something to be desired, although I've adjusted to its shortcomings. If I had to replace the saw I'd probably go with the newer iteration R4560, which I guess is supposed to be similar to the Delta one you have. Is the fence any better on the newer models? If not, with a new saw I'd probably invest in after-market fence.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

The after market fence would benefit your Ridgid for sure but the Delta/R4560 fence is amazing. It locks at 3 wide points on the front square rail only and if adjust properly is practically impossible to lock crooked. Check out my Delta vid I go into some detail. My saw had its own small shortcomings but the fence isn’t one of them. Glad to hear your Ridgids been good. I’ve had a few comments about the 4512 from satisfied long term owners. Is it possible Ridgid screwed up the newer one? Mine said “new and improved” on the box. If I see a cheap 4512 on marketplace I may grab it for a vid. Thanks for the comment!

[@MemelordSupreme]

Rack and pinion with a slide crosscut side would be sick. It reminds me of the old Ryobi BT3000, a super solid modular saw with a sliding crosscut sled. The evolution has so much potential. I wish they'd update it though. It's been out for a few years and everyone has the same complaints. If they redesigned it a bit and made it more solid and refined, they could sell this thing for even more and people would still buy it. Hate to see it hindered and set back by poor design choices because it's got a lot going for it.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I completely agree. This saw had a ton of potential in its design but was built to a have a low production cost. I would rather have a quality made basic saw with no bells and whistles. Thanks for watching!

[@jeffreytgilbert]

I just bought a rusty delta contractor saw which was a total mistake, even for $50. It’s old and rusty and probably missing pieces. I don’t know what i was thinking. I’m going to clean up the rust and toss it back on marketplace and scoop something newer. Wont be an evolution saw. Maybe the dewalt jobsite saw. A bunch if those show up used for a discount. Maybe a newer better kept delta if i can find one under $500

[@kendodd8734]

Great review u told and showed me all I need to know basically if the fence on a table saw is inaccurate and there’s room for movement as uve showed here then the saw is compromised and not worth buying even at this cheap price uve got to b able to turn out accurate cuts its whole premise of a table saw the fence should b an integral part of its design the same problem exists with the makita 100 u c you tubers showing how they’ve improved the design of the fence on that tool but surely it’s down to makita to do this before bringing it to market and subsequently it’s down to evolution to iron out this flaw also

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Glad the vid helped Ken! Thanks for watching!

[@kendodd8734]

@@ProjectsForAllReviews I’ve watched quite few of ur reviews now and u tell it the way it is . no agendas so a big up to u u must have saved a hell of a lot of people a lot of money on inferior products that don’t deliver

[@brianfreeman8290]

I've finally worked out why they insist on the silly add on bit of fence. If using the plastic blade guard (as if ! ) , the extra bit of fence now permits larger pieces of wood through the blade guard. Simple answer, use neither.

[@jewdd1989]

That moving sled is bad ass! Love these reviews especially for table saws! I have an awful Ryobi 10” and it’s been horrible so I’m looking desperately for a new, more advance and feature packed tablesaw

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I started with a horrible Ryobi too! It will make you appreciate your next one. Thanks for watching!

[@janee7995]

The one in this video is a knock off of a 700 euro Metabo ts254 .

[@julybug9795]

Oh my god, you sound just like Frank Oz!

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Lol! Regular Frank Oz or Yoda Frank Oz?

[@Vinimarshall450]

I had to cut out the bottom of the blade shroud because it filled with bits ,the blade would not wind down to the bottom otherwise

[@geraldhorst1]

If you are working on a Job in Construction it is worth considering buying one and when the job is done throw it.

[@cb2000a]

Nah....buy a Dewalt and keep it.

[@philiphoule7170]

Thank you for the great review. I agree that the saw would be worth the $500 price tag if they fixed the fence and other quality/design issues.

[@pcast1115]

I could not stand this fence if I were to purchase this saw. It requires too much attention by myself which at some point I would be sure to fail to adjust to it at some important point in a build. I do truly appreciate your review though because of your detail to the fence problem. If they were to repair this fence deficiency I may consider this saw myself.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I agree! With a good rack and pinion fence this would have been a very different review. Thanks for watching!

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

Talk about down to a price! So many areas a bit more would be worth a lot more. Someone could take one of these and apply lots of upgrades- but you would probably be better off starting from scratch.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

It would be cool to see Evolution redesign or refine this some. It could have been a really excellent saw. Thanks for watching!

[@barrymathison]

You're very interesting man. Can you explain things properly? I understand this 15 amp 15 amp table saw you're showing and I like the saw. I'm 70 years old. I need something you know I'm trying to get into woodworking. I'm in a wheelchair so I need something that's fairly easy to handle and this looks like a perfect table for that. There's a lot of a painting for you. If you can get past the confusion. Sometimes you over explain things but you know. Thank God for bossing TV. Anyway, nice chatting with you. Did you hear from you! I'm running a lot more. Is there other things? I just want to try to learn how to woodwork and do some things around the house refinishing some furniture so it's too bad it doesn't have a grinder but that's all right. I can get one of those anyway. Thank you. Barry

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

Kudos for keeping the hand closest to the blade ungloved. Every time I see some KZbinr wearing gloves close to a moving blade, it makes me anxious. I grew up hanging out in a machine shop, and watched my dad's best friend get his hand damned near torn completely off (hanging by nothing but sinew) while sanding a part on a lathe with gloves on,.... I have been very anti-glove ever since.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

You make a good point. Gloves can be bad news around moving parts for sure. The distraction of filming doesn’t help. I’ve had a couple small accidents but thankfully nothing bad. They’ve serve as a good reminder that no matter how experienced you are bad accidents are always possible!

[@tommysts1920]

That goes for long sleeves around machinery too. In my book gloves are to keep your hands warm and to be used while gardening with shovels and rakes. LoL

[@IanStreten]

I have a big aversion of seeing people with rings on whilst operating machinery. Witnessed a fellow apprentice have a really horrible accident working a lathe. Since then have never warn a ring apart from my Wedding Day!!!

[@jigsey.]

This is by far the best review of a tool I have seen on KZbin, and I have seen thousands.. I'm still tempted to buy this saw though, it's within my small budget

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thank you I really appreciate it!! Thank you for watching!!

[@mpowersmedia3219]

I just bought mine last week cause evolution is having a sale where you get the R185CCSX for free if you buy the table saw so I couldn't pass that deal up. Just arrived last night and I like it a lot.

[@cangooner]

Gah! This is so frustrating! I've been fighting with a Ridgid R4513 and it's stupid fence for years now, and was so hoping they wouldn't repeat its mistakes with this. I'd even overlook the weird scale thing and general wonkiness if it had a good reliable fence, but not having that that's a deal-breaker for me. I have a cold cut chop saw for cutting steel and aluminium and absolutely love it. It would have been great to have that ability in a table saw. Ah well. Thanks for the review

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Yep I know it. I was willing to look past no dado compatibility for a good fence but it wasn’t meant to be. Dual miter slider chop saw vid coming in a couple months for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@MarkK01]

It maybe $350.00 in USA but depends where you buy it in Canada. The price varies between $700.00 - $1200.00 here in Canada. Talk about highway robbery. They are asking Dewalt and Bosch prices and they are better quality. You won't see me being stupid and spending that kind of money on a lower end tool.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Hard to believe they’ve ever sold one of these for that money! I’d take the Bosch or DeWALT all day long! Thanks for watching!

[@alexofwidnthings3364]

for storing the fence

[@Sunlandexpress]

Just watched this video and had a good chuckle. Glad you reviewed it so I can stay away from it.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thanks for watching!

[@petrokemikal]

I always use a ruler and measure from the fence to the blade teeth.. I would never trust a gauge even on an expensive tablesaw and definately not a mitre angle gauge..

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I use the ruler on my Delta regularly unless I’m trying to be ultra precise. This one I would never use. Thanks for watching!

[@dalevanderzee4086]

that lower slot loos like it is for the blade guard

[@bernardpaumier7923]

I have the same machine and the worst problem i have with it is the dust evacuation during cutting .. I don't recommand this item at all

[@rossnichelson6322]

I think that the poor design and quality of the fence is a deal breaker. I thank yuo for the great reviews that you do.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thanks for watching Ross!

[@davidcorliss]

My guess would be the fence goes there

[@davidcorliss]

Or the blade guard

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I agree but I tried fitting everything in every direction. Drives me nuts when I cant figure something out! 🤣 Thanks for watching!

[@stevengreen4316]

Im a newbie in the UK & i own this saw. What makes it attractive to me was the sliding sled & price. I got for £280 & todays price at Amazon is£309. I was plodding along fairly happy & any discrepancy i put down to price. After watching your video i now know alot better. I have thrown a little money on this table, soft start module (£20) then a zero clearance plate (£27) and various bits of dust brackets. When you mentioned dangerous i wondered what would you do. Do i get another year out of it for experence as lm not asking for perfect cuts or should i get rid? Forget money. What price do you put on your carol singers flying across the shop. What would recommend please. Thank you.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Hello! The question is: does your saw have a weak lock for the extensions and can you move them easily when locked? I spoke with customer service and they were trying to figure out a solution which is still pending. Truth is I don’t know if it’s just my saw or all. I only have this one example to go by. I told Evolution I’d do a short vid update if they have a fix but I have not heard back yet. Check your saw and let me know if it’s the same I’m definitely curious. Thanks for the comment!

[@stevengreen4316]

@@ProjectsForAllReviews Will do when i get back home. Thanks Mike.

[@baggi0945]

@@ProjectsForAllReviews Hi great review. I have this saw and have had no issues with it but you may have pointed out a flaw I didn’t know it had( unless some don’t have this problem?) Please keep us updated on what evolution say about it.

[@garymorin4813]

@@ProjectsForAllReviews I'm in the UK and have the same saw, I have never noticed the extensions moving or sliding, not like the way yours was, it's all fairly solid

[@scottmaclean1455]

ive been using one of these saws for 6-8months now and biggest weakness's of this saw are the fence its made of to thin few hot australian summer days it warped and never locks down strait, the real bad weakness is the table insert far to much flex in it and gap around blade is way to big. first thing one should is make zero clearance plate

[@imtheengineer]

I bought this saw and he is right, the fence isn't great. It will probably be good enough until i need something better and the price is right. After a few small projects, I can deal with the fence, I can deal with the math on the scale, with some tightening i have found the rails to not move like his did, I did not have as many quality issues either. Overall, it's what I expect for the cheapest table saw i can buy, and I'm actually quite pleased, all things considered. do i wish it was better? yes. Will i return it? no.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

The comment section is really the best place to gauge a product on KZbin I think. I’m glad to hear yours is working out better. In the end I can only show one persons experience with one product example. Do they all have these problems or is it just mine? Tough for me to say. Thanks for adding to the discussion!!

[@imtheengineer]

@@ProjectsForAllReviews thanks for the awesome videos!!! I love building things better and this is my first larger "workshop" tool so i expect to learn a lot by the time i need a better one and maybe i can even upgrade this... starting with a zero clearance guide. omg. it's awful. I tried to rip a 1x4... scary stuff happened...

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

Watching the way everything twists, bends, and flexes as you move it around is not inspiring any confidence at all. If they would make the same saw, but replace many of the plastic parts with metal and just make it beefier overall, they could easily charge a few hundred bucks more for it and it would still be a great deal. The sliding table sure would make straightening and paralleling board edges awful quick and easy. Since I don't have a jointer, that would be great for me.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I agree! This one really bugged me. There’s so much potential here for an amazing, do it all saw! I really liked the sliding miter panel too but the inability to use a dado really sucks. I think the arbor size is because it’s a European model adapted for our market. Just a guess. Thanks for the comment!

[@lweleven3423]

Thanks for the review 👍 glad I didn’t buy one 😂 I do like simplicity

[@johnthompson3462]

I have seen the Evolution mitre saw and it is decent for home use.What I don't get is,that everyone raves about how the "SAW" cuts metal and wood.It doesn't.The blade does.So,all you have to do is buy a replacement blade and use it on you own saw

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I assumed the Evolution tools would be lower rpm and higher torque but that doesn’t seem to be the case. The blades operate in the same rpm range as most saws operate. At least table saws. The 1 inch arbor hole on all the blades makes it a little tough though. This saw had an included arbor adapter I show in the vid. 5/8 to 1 inch. Google searching for an adapter didn’t produce many promising results. Possible you can just buy an adapter from Evolution. I’m going to research this more. May be a future vid topic. Thanks for watching!

[@psychedelic-guitar-art]

I would like for you to show us the sled's simple design that we may copy. Or better yet, teach us. Please, it's worth, five burgers.🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔

[@chrisybradshaw8594]

Have probs with the sliders and slider bars, you just cant get any of the shelf ,u end up bying that plastic shit, or have make your own up with nylon or hardwood

[@jerryhuber3653]

Some fantastic design features, but executed terribly. I love the idea of extendable table ends on a jobsite saw, the sled, the micro adjustable angle adjuster and the T connector for the dust port on the blade guard. That T connector should have a cap for those times you have to remove the blade guard. If Dewalt incorporated those features (built much smarter and more solid), I would definitely buy it.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Agreed and good eye! I didn’t notice there was no cap for the blade guard dust port! Thanks for watching!

[@scottmaclean1455]

you have the riving knife lock block installed wrong in video the is arrow on it ment to face up as there two bars on back that lock in to knife other than great video

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thanks for the tip Scott. I had to go back and look. Thanks for watching!

[@1steelcobra]

If this is the only blade they want you to use with the saw, I see zero reason it shouldn't come with a zero-clearance insert. That one thin cutoff dropping into it was not good to see. That fence is just inexcusable if Skil could copy the DeWalt rack and pinion design at the same price. I think ultimately though, if I wanted to have a multipurpose tool for free-hand/miter/fence-based metal cutting, I'd do it in the bandsaw instead of a table saw. No risk of kickback on that.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I agree with you, band saw is the way to go. We’ll get this saw in another vid soon. Im going to fix that thing or die trying! Thanks for watching!

[@mypeeps1965]

GreT video.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thanks for watching!

[@ch3shirecat936]

hey great video. i used to have the cheaper green model of the evolution table saw and its awful. i recently upgraded to the dewalt. i also have the evolution 300mm sliding compound mitre saw, only the single bevel though and its actually a good saw. the mitre saws are built much better than the table saws.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Thank you! I’ve been eyeballing the 10 inch dual bevel slider for years. We’ll be getting that one for review very soon. I do keep hearing the miter saws are better. I hope is good so it can replace my antique blue Ryobi miter and Ridgid abrasive chop saw. Thanks for watching!

[@ch3shirecat936]

@@ProjectsForAllReviews i think you will be pleased with one. for the price point the build quality is good and they are very accurate to. although i did have to tune it in first, which is easy enough. another great product from evolution is the circular/track saws which are brilliant for the price i have one of those also P.s i have no affiliation with evolution lol

[@paulrooster2108]

I loved the comment - it's just making me tired 🤣, I hear ya

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Shipping to return this saw was $280 and I still have it. Expect another vid with it fixing its various issues. I'll make that saw not suck or die trying!! Thanks for watching!!

[@martinahardaker8739]

There's worse TS's out there. Some fences can't be locked on both ends. Looks like a 'hard start' motor as well although that wasn't mentioned. It is I think intended for the hobbyist or DIY market and as such the safety angle should be doubly reinforced because beginners make big mistakes. You have to be doubly careful with any table saw.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I agree! Thanks for watching!

[@imadog131]

I have their chop saw. It is bad ass ! If you own a shop and don’t have the chop saw you are wasting time !

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Evolution contacted me after this vid and they’re supposed to be sending the 10 inch dual slider and 7-1/4 battery chop saws for review. They look nice and better than this table saw. Thanks for watching!

[@alunreynolds9646]

It's a rack for the fence.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I agree but the fence doesn’t fit in it!!! Thanks for watching!

[@stecornes]

I bought this table saw a few weeks ago after watching loads of great reviews on KZbin, but I would agree there are some quality issues, mine arrived almost a week late direct from Evolution [promised next day delivery], when I opened the box there were loose nuts, bolts and washers rattling around in the box, luckily it was easy to find where they had fallen from and they were not part of the setup process so should not have been loose. The right hand extension plate had a dint and rust under the paint in one corner. The build instructions are poor and Evolutions own video is almost as bad, way too fast, changing camera angles and mistakes like forgetting to put the 4 washers between the undercariage and the frame shouldn't happen. Before I started the motor I had a good check around and noticed the blade was catching the dust collection guard, after some photos and email to Evolution they said the plastic was warped and sent me out a new part to fit, it now seems fine. I think for average DIY usage the table saw is decent, but you will need to constantly check everything is adjusted correctly, being table to fold up the table for storage is a good if you haven't a huge workshop.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

I never watch other people’s vids before I do a review. However it is interesting to watch some reviews after I do mine. Especially on a odd product like this one. Odd design. Dubious quality control but with some useful design elements. I had planned to sell this to a friend but not being able to lock the fence tight is going to force a return. Sad because I really wanted to love this thing. Good luck with yours. Thanks for watching!!

[@tom0428]

too many pieces to machine it right. more adjustability equals more error... keep it simple is the key of great tools.

[@ProjectsForAllReviews]

Yep! Especially if your going to build it to a low price point. At $650 made for pros it could have been one of the best saws on the market. Thanks for watching!