Cool But Ouch! Hogue Deka CPM-20CV Pocket Knife

[@TheSummerallFamily]

Hogue corrected the the tip burying in the handle . The newer versions being shipped have an extended handle length that allows the tip to sit deeper.

[@willx2018]

I just got one but with a wharnecliffe and can confirm that the too-short-scales are not an issue on this model. The blade sits comfortably deep within the handles and doesn't bite.

[@brianmcgraw6903]

I just checked min with the warncliff and I agree. Not an issue with this blade at all.

[@SquaredCircle777]

+1 I got the Wharnie today and the blade tip is deep within the handle.

[@thekeystonekid8687]

Benchmade uses omega springs, but I think that's just the type of spring and not a manufacturer. Wolff makes springs for different firearms and they're very highly regarded. Very smart move by Hogue when many Benchmade owners complain about omega springs breaking.

[@allaboutroofing2]

My guess is those with issues with axis lock springs cycle their knifes several thousand times. They are a tool, not a fidget toy. I have many benchmade and have never broken a spring.

[@isaacleachman1358]

Hogue is killing it! Most underrrated company of 2019 in my humble opinion

[@MrEMann]

Good point about the palm cut. I have another knife that is similar and it nicked me. Hogue makes great knives but this is an oversight they should correct.

[@braddah2009]

I have a Deka and I love this thing. Never had an issue with the shallow blade tip but I did notice that when I first handled it.

[@bearard]

I have the modified Warncliff blade and it is well back in the scales. No problem

[@gideonstactical]

Glad to hear that

[@banditgriot2000]

My son and I have the same exposed blade issue with the Benchmade Bugout. I have learned to not nick my hand with them.

[@danofiremano]

Years ago I had a Benchmade model that bit me the same way, so I promply returned it.

[@triplesoutdoors8649]

I just picked up the same knife I think they fixed this issue because my blade sets deeper in the handle than yours

[@ggmanatee]

I appreciate you pointing out the palm issue, but given I don't see it as an issue with me I'll probably pick one up. Cheers

[@farva37]

I just got mine yesterday. Exactly the same thing happened to me when I was playing around with it. It didn’t cut me but it definitely let me know. I had to adjust my grip on it as well. It’s an issue, and I’m glad you addressed it Aaron. It would also be nice to see hogue offer a deep ride pocket clip. *hint hint But this clip is a huge improvement over the old crappy looped one on the microflip I have. Very similar to Spyderco offerings, so they’re making progress at least.

[@GringoFusilero]

That exact same thing happened to me with the Bugout. Sliced open my palm.

[@benevolentsun]

I can‘t decide if I should get the Spyderco PM2 or the Hogue Deka. Thoughts anyone?

[@Skeeks27]

This exact thing happened to me with the Deka!! I have to newer model but got bit the first day and I think about it all the time when closing it…😂

[@colinfedorchak1460]

When I first got my bugout, I cut myself the same way that you were cut with the deka😂😂😂 I guess I’m just better and getting hurt than you are! Great review my guy! Cheers.

[@Llama_cowboy]

20cv is sweet, but I don’t like how the handle shape forces a grip further away from the blade. The finger guard is much larger than on the bugout.

[@Metoxetron]

My only complaint as well. I wish they’d made a forwards “1/2” choil. Think PM2/Para 3

[@kenmarapese9085]

The knife is dangerous, you almost lost your hand, send it to me.

[@gideonstactical]

Hiker Marapese haha

[@Every_Day_Aaron]

Thanks for the palm cut warning, brother! This is definitely on my wishlist

[@killough71010]

That's the exact same thing I did with my bugout. Same injury. Compared to my super freak, crooked river, and 940, I thought the tip was too close to the end on the bugout. Just like you with the hogue, I have to think about the placement of the bugout when I use it, I don't really like that.

[@itsaknifestyle8482]

I’m pretty sure the springs on the Benchmade axis lock are called omega springs. Great video👍

[@ck7629]

It's a Knifestyle believe thats due to the shape not manufacturer.

[@TheKyleMark]

Yeah. They’re shaped like the Greek letter Omega, I’m guessing they’re not made by Wolff though or I have to imagine they’d have mentioned that in marketing at some point because Wolff are the go to company for gun people swapping out OEM springs and are highly regarded.

[@commandlion8667]

I bought the gen 2 wharnie blue lava g-mascus / blk blade and have zero issues. Great action, better than my 940-1 and these Dekas come extremely sharp. Well, there is one tiny issue - the thumbstuds are a bit sharp.

[@barrygolden9823]

Anyone know of any aftermarket thumb studs? Will Benchmade Bugout thumb studs fit a Deka?

[@livnbiggr3482]

I couple similar cuts from the Benchmade Mini Presidio II.

[@ronaldroberts8515]

I just picked one up today with Wharncliffe blade. Really like the scales and able lock . Take care.

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

Been on my radar since I saw it on Slicey Dicey. Haven't picked it up yet. When I do, I see myself going for the blue Gemascus. Palm cut...ah, yes. It can be a badge of ownership.

[@grumpyoldwizard]

I got a Spyderco chef folder today. I really like it but you can do the exact same thing with it. It will cut you and you can open the blade with your fingernail when its closed.

[@gideonstactical]

Average Joe that’s sad

[@austing9529]

My 940 Osborne did the same biting when I first got it. Had to adjust my grip the same ways. My gen2 Hogue arrived today so we’ll see how this goes as well!

[@coralinealgae]

How did the gen 2 version go? Does it have the same issue?

[@austing9529]

@@coralinealgae it’ll bite if you have a really meaty hand or if you have the bottom of the scales sit in the middle of your palm. If you just adjust your grip slightly it’ll be fine. Overall this knife is more “rough” feeling all over. The G-10 is grippy, the thumb studs are sharp, at no point do you feel like you’re going to slip off from anything but like I said it’s a bit more rough on the hands than other options. I enjoy it, comes with the best factory edge I’ve seen so far from any manufacturer as well.

[@coralinealgae]

@@austing9529 Thank you for sharing your first hand experience. I preordered a version with the modified wharncliffe blade and was curious about that issue. Hope the extra pointy blade shape doesn't make that issue worse. Being rough on the hands doesn't sound like a selling point for a version 2 knife. Might need to rethink my preorder.

[@austing9529]

@@coralinealgae everything I see compares it to the bugout. I have never owned a bugout but I do love the Deka. I’m just assuming the bugout in smoother in hand (feel wise not speaking of action). This V2 Deka is extremely smooth when it comes to action, and “disappears” in the pocket from the weight and size. It’s just noticeably rough on the thumb for deployment and the scales are textured to a point of ensures grip. As a man who came from the Maintenance world into a desk jockey situation, i can tell it’ll be fine for anyone who uses their hands and a bit noticeable for people with softer hands. Either way, it’s a slicing machine and the steel, blade shape, grip, and overall build will make it a great everyday knife or a gem you rarely use. I would maintain excitement and just appreciate the product you’re getting to the fullest extent.

[@austing9529]

Also! Let me know how the modified wharncliffe treats you. The standard “drop point” is plenty slicy and has a good initial puncture into standard utility cuts. I have had no issue with that blade shape but I know products like the QSP penguin have more than held their own with utility cuts. Honest truth. I carry my Ti Penguin in 154CM more often than the Hogue Deka V2 as I’m in an office roll currently. When I go back to needing a better all around bite…. I’ll get the Deka back in rotation.

[@ericklbc]

Did the same thing to my hand with the Manix 2 LW. Had to adjust my grip a little and that took care of the issue. I brought that up to GPKnives and they said they've never heard of anyone getting cut like that when closing the knife. Still interested in these Hogue knives though. I had a Bugout and didn't like it all. The Axis lock was gritty and the action was tight. I hope these are better and smoother.

[@allaboutroofing2]

Lossen the set screw. Wow

[@49giants3]

I had a cold steel , where the tip of the blade stuck out the handle. They replaced it very quickly. With s35vn tho. I miss xhp

[@Vaytorra]

I do believe they corrected the blade because I just got a Deka and it’s no where near close to nicking me. Unless I put a lot of pressure into my palm which is unnatural.

[@michaelmarsh4013]

Funny, that cut happened to me with the bugout! Both great knives, for me the Hogue is better. Nice review!

[@kevindonihoo3564]

Same here with the Bugout.

[@kpfagerberg]

Glad to know I wasn’t the only one. It gets me every time. The main reason I never picked one up.

[@dylanfarnham5164]

I actually had that exact same issue with the Mini Bugout slicing my palm. I have a Deka, several full-size Bugouts, and a few other axis lock knives. The Mini Bugout is the only one to do that to me. Was a bummer because I loved how small it was. Gave it to my wife though and she has no problems with it. It really just depends on the length of your hand I'm guessing.

[@lazycyberdog4746]

You should do a video on a KA-BAR bk 11 bet you would love it maybe even customize it like the bk 16 that’s what I did I stopped carrying pocket knives

[@wolffztalksknives7814]

I wouldn’t say stronger lock but the springs are less likely to fail than the omega springs.

[@6lillium]

Love my Hogue Doug Ritter.... fantastic all around edc

[@southernyert7597]

Grt review. I have one. Open & close it constantly & have not cut myself yet. I luv the knife. On the benchmade I think they are called omega springs? I enjoy ur channel. Thx

[@Greg_M308]

Great insight. Yep, that's a deal killer for me and my XL hands.

[@kurtstreyffeler405]

I just received the Hogue Deka (SMKW Exclusive Red, White & Blue) in the mail today. I had already seen your video prior to purchasing but it was too good of a deal to pass up. I immediately checked for the palm slice issue and am happy to report that I did NOT experience this problem. I experimented by holding the knife in multiple positions and nothing came close to nicking me (with one exception). I have small hands and not very meaty palms. The only time I was able to make contact with skin was holding it higher in the palm, and forcing the meaty part up toward the blade by severely bending my wrist and forcing the knife deeper into my palm. Additionally, my knife is seated deeply and I cannot touch the tip even with my fingernail. Perhaps you got a "defective" knife? I am very pleased with this knife for all of the reasons you stated in your video, and I don't have the palm slice danger. Thank you for your review.

[@thatguyglenn7558]

I think they fixed the problem with new models

[@ck7629]

Had the same problem. I really liked the design but don’t want to have to think about it every time I close the knife. I have a bunch of axis/able locks and haven’t run into this issue before. For example: I love my Hogue RSK.

[@JuandelaCruz001]

Something very "Benchmade-ish" about it and not just because of the lock. I'd love to see a head-to-head with BM's Crookerd River!

[@colinfedorchak1460]

JuandelaCruz001 I got this cut from a bugout too!

[@thorin693]

I had a similar problem with the Ontario model 1 in d2, the tip would cut my hand when I went to get something out of my pocket at the price point of this knife I just re ground the point.

[@johnwest4492]

Hey Aaron, Awesome video. Dont have a Deka yet but I'm getting one thanks to this vid :)) also are you gonna have anymore G/T patches coming soon ?

[@jadencanaday3948]

I have had mine for a while now and I love it is such a nice price for what u get, highly recommend

[@SG-ds8pr]

How is the heat treatment on the 20CV? Most companies are putting out 20CV with garbage heat treats. I want to order this but I can’t find any info on the heat treat.

[@dougadams7684]

Great review, good pricing on that knife is right.

[@msharmall7298]

Thanks for mentioning that weird little quirk. Definitely worth mentioning, but it won't drive me away from it. I have had one or two knives with that problem before, not a huuge deal.

[@ibpositivemostly7437]

I have a We Double Helix 🧬 and it will bite you the same way. But still a great knife. Thanks good review.

[@mperchiano]

I don't hold my knives like that when I'm opening and closing them so it's not an issue for me, but I do see what you're saying. I just ordered one last night with the satin standard blade and the blue black g-mascus. I'm stoked.

[@va7oloko]

Great review! What OR jacket is that? Thx

[@johnnyeas1431]

I like supersteels but I never have time to sharpen them. I work 100 hours a week, so once my super steels go dull, they go in the retirement drawer.

[@hansen2230]

Just got the gen 2 today. I've been sitting here checking it out and testing it out, as you do with a new knife. I have zero compaints except what you stated. It bit me twice already. This could be a deal breaker. I want to love this knife, but a couple of weeks will tell. This should of been fixed in the gen 2 model. It's really too bad, nothing else wrong with it.

[@gideonstactical]

Ya, I thought they did, I know they saw this video. 🤭

[@TheSrekaens]

I have a Bugout and I never close it resting it in the middle of my palm, feels unnatural and unsafe. I place it at the base of my pinky and there is no flesh in the way of the blade so I think I wouldn't cut myself with the Deka neither.

[@dkh9160]

Should do a revisit of the code 4 cold steel

[@jasonazuma]

Just go a brand new Deka with Magnacut. The Able lock is super sticky and beyond gritty. A little better than my Bear Ops Rancor, but just barely. Certainly nowhere near the quality of any of my Benchmades. Pretty disappointed in the Deka. Maybe it will break in?

[@bostwix]

Hmm is this knife on amazon, I don't see it on the link provided.

[@gideonstactical]

bostwix not yet, bladehq has or two days ago

[@JPC326]

Is the other blade shape harder to sharpen?

[@samerqamar5786]

CPM 20 CV steel is similar to Bohler M390 properties which is excellent steel (premium steel)

[@3wheelmannc860]

Grips need a mod just to be safe and IMO that clip should be a loop over as you mentioned. If they change those two things...i'm in.

[@Greg_M308]

Knowing this issue is so helpful!! Thank you!

[@davidmace3310]

Great vid! Luv Hogue knives. Vid request ( some will think it’s dumb or just common sense) but requesting anyway: Bug out bags for pets. Dogs and cats. What do u need to get them through their 72 hrs? Just seems like a very often overlooked topic.

[@dramace11]

Great review. For me that’s a deal breaker. Just too many similar options at that price point to have that issue.

[@mjc7778]

The Benchmades do not use Wolf springs. Wolf is a better spring. I have had issues with my Bugout springs. I am getting ready to return my third Bugout. Each has had issues with their Axis Lock and two of them as they had springs that broke. Now I have never had that issue with any other Benchmade.

[@synerfect]

Same problem with my bugout. I ended up putting a griptilian axis lock bar and after market omega Springs in mine. Now I love it!

[@mjc7778]

Great idea. I do appreciate you sharing that. It is also nice to know that I am not the only one having that issue. Where did you get the parts?

[@synerfect]

@@mjc7778 www.etsy.com/listing/698127977/benchmade-omega-spring-set-for-axis-lock

[@mjc7778]

Thank you. I will give them a try. I don’t want to go back to REI again.

[@synerfect]

@@mjc7778 The after market Springs are awesome! I've put them in most of my Benchmades now. They feel like more quality and thought went into them. I've decided I'm done buying benchmade or spyderco anymore. They keep raising their prices and imho they're quality has continued to drop.

[@charlesdudek7713]

Actuslly I think the price on the deka is about right. If it were much higher there are some other benchmades and Spydercos I might consider first. Para 2 and 940 come to mind.

[@scottyi88]

is it different from the deadbolt lock?

[@natek1993]

I believe you have to many knives to be able to use and should give me one 😂 thanks Gideons Tactical.

[@OLMmedic]

Nice vid. I love the bugout. Been thinking about the deka but who knows. Lol

[@kevinAuman1]

It is called an OMEGA spring in the Benchmades but I am sure that it is similar or thee exact same thing....

[@ck7629]

Anybody tried the wharncliffe version? To see if it has the same problem?

[@ZKPTK]

My sheeps foot benchmade mini griptillian cut my palm like that all the time.. the worst lol..

[@joecorzine8057]

I have two different bugout’s, and one Deka…. Although I do like the bug outs, but the Decca is a much better value especially now in 2023. The base bugout is like 140 or 150 bucks. Benchmade is out of control with the pricing. I love Benchmade, but I hate the pricing.

[@grandprixgtpjy]

I did the same exact thing closing my 940😖

This knife is a bugout killer

[@williamlenderman387]

I understand the palm nicking thing and while it might not be a big thing, it is a thing. I have a Ganzo 753M which has what Ganzo refers to as a g-Iock (same thing as an Axis Lock) and I can't count the number of times I've nicked/sliced a small cut into the palm of my hand while closing it as you describe. Of course this Ganzo is only one tenth (or so) of what the Deka costs so this (minor?) design flaw can sorta be overlooked on the Ganzo. At the price point of the Deka however, this flaw shouldn't exist in my opinion. Not knocking Hogue now mind you, I have a Hogue Ritter RSK that is really sweet, but they could/should make a slight tweak in the blade and/or handle design to alleviate this small but niggling problem. Just my 2 cents worth on an issue that really has no bearing on me as I have no plans to purchase a Deka.

[@marjiecleveland]

Reasonable price and review!

[@mistersmith3986]

Hey man! I respect two aspects of this knife. 1. U.S.A. Made 2. CPM-20CV Steel Other than that, I have absolutely NO use for a knife that small. If Hogue were to make this knife with a 3 1/2" or 4" blade, then I would definitely be interested. Thanks for the video my Bladed Brother⚔️✝️

[@jamesanderson562]

Hogue has a sweet line up but i love their fixed blade even more

[@BrentonCarr]

I've cut myself with the Benchmade 940 and the mini presidio in the same manner.

[@larryrosen2984]

I think Hogue should send deep pocket clip , at NO cost , to make up for this design problem . It may help the medicine go down easier..

[@jeremyb9948]

Mini bugout did that to me.

[@ericblade8330]

Nope. It has that goofy side lock w/e they call it. Had a ganzo with that lock gave it away. Love gonzo n Eafengrow, but lockbsvk or lineock🎂

[@Igor-gt6vb]

Great review.

[@patrickvanovermeeren4513]

Good review , thanks for sharing !

[@stevebrown7190]

A Spyderco Ikuchi will bite you. I cut my finger on mine after about a week of carrying it. It has found a home in the back of my safe since that incident.

[@twatmunro]

My tip is also precise.

[@zripster]

I've cut myself the same way with my manix 2 a few times, still my favorite knife though.

[@gideonstactical]

Z. Ripley weird never have with mine, still my favorite too

[@stephenbarone4053]

Yeah, same here with G10 versions. Still love it.

[@lancebeare8314]

I got rid of a Quartermaster Yoda having cut myself 3 times...I get it.

[@bushcrfter7917]

Cool blade!

[@seca021]

You don't want to think when you're using your knife :))) Good review, bytway

[@jamesmurray6348]

Damn nice knife but it's a deal breaker for me. I hold my knives the same way and have for 25+ years. It would be hard to change the way I hold my knife.

[@jamesstraub4981]

Great review but this one is a pass for me. I really wanted to like this knife; looks, materials, value, maker, but I got bit within 30 seconds of handling one. That's something my four Bugouts have never done. For me, I'm good with my much loved Benchmades which I don't have to "learn" or accommodate. This is why I never buy before handling. Keep em comin bro love the channel.

[@Metoxetron]

The warnie doesn’t even come close to the palm

[@timmccorkel2989]

A Ganzo did the same to my palm! I just picked one up for $126 new. At that price, you could easily send it out for re-profiling and still be money ahead!

[@cooperevans3835]

Benchmade does not use the same springs as hogue. The springs in the axis lock are called omega springs. The say that the wolff springs are longer lasting and more durable. Love your videos, keep them coming!

[@b-rad6723]

Cool design! I love the handle scales!

[@Orange-yp9bl]

Where's my check book ...

[@phillipdavis5241]

I assume you know that cardboard dulls a knife real quick!!?

[@lddtyrone]

Thanks you just save me $148... as usual very good review

[@guns4funfreedomkeeper999]

I like almost everything about my Deka but Those thumb studs are almost a deal breaker. They are too tactile and too proud for my liking. They snag on the way out of my pocket and will open my blade just a little if i don’t pay attention when I remove it.

[@whatfreedom7]

It’s crazy how these knife companies charge so much but then don’t even design them with a deep carry pocket clip. Knowing when they design them that’s what most people want. Then you look at cheap knives like a $50 Civivi even has them.

[@randyyeager]

needs a ceramic ball bearing pivot and to cost $100 or less...

[@BrentonCarr]

Ball bearings are terrible for any kind of outdoors/ work knife.

[@randyyeager]

@@BrentonCarr I've never had problems with the pivots in my ball bearing Ganzos...and why does this knife have to an outdoors work horse?

[@kevinpanetta1554]

I would argue that the price is very reasonable considering that it's 20 CV and has g10. If you can find me another knife that even competes with those specs I would agree with you, however I don't believe there is one.

[@randyyeager]

@@kevinpanetta1554 look at Artisan knives (I think that's how ya spell it) Lots of newer brand chinese knives with great steels out their for about a 1/3rd less....G10 isn't anything special....it's used on inexpensive knives as well....

[@randyyeager]

@@kevinpanetta1554 www.bladehq.com/item--Artisan-Cutlery-Tradition-Liner--84994

[@gingerbowman4574]

With the price point of this knife it shouldn’t have any issues at ALL!!!!

[@williamchee2935]

I like your reviews... this knife is not for me!! I am a big knife man... Cold Steel Recon 1 with the tri-ad lock. I have Spydercos that will put this knife to shame.