Coote Fallout Continues plus England Dropout Fume | Talking Reds

[@ApeOfMyIdeal]

Klopp isn't and wasn't Coote's boss, so that argument - that you're allowed call your boss/colleague a c**t - doesn't really fly. He's meant to impartially judge sporting competition. It's more like a magistrate being caught on camera saying he dislikes a particular lawyer, the clients he represents, and everyone from the City. If he can't be impartial, he can't do the job. The PGMOL's response to this has been much as one would expect from a self-regulatory body which is more interested in protecting it's own reputation than dealing with the obvious issues extant in the body.

[@johnprosser5035]

Exactly basically Jurgen was the boss of one of PGMOL's biggest customers!!! And if any of us got caught saying that about one of our customers and they heard that then we'd be sacked!!!

[@antwango]

Well you say that though but I think Klopp now owns Coote and now lives rent free in Cootes head XDDDDD Hes got Klopp doing his laugh in his head over and over and over XDDD

[@tk2097]

Where did coote say he hated everyone from the city, or are we adding the comments from the lad next to him to his charges as well? Get a grip bois...

[@ApeOfMyIdeal]

@tk2097 I'm not interested in litigation via KZbin comments with a stranger, but when your "buddy" gives an "in conclusion" to sum up the lessons of the night, includes you in his "we", and you don't refute it, indeed your only response is to warn people not to "send this to anyone"... I'm afraid it's a little more than guilt by association. It's a shared publication. If you want to play the "legal" game.

[@tk2097]

@ApeOfMyIdeal so that's a yes then... Just be careful with the ground rules you're laying out for the future.

[@marclake2802]

The one stand out moment for me is Pickford and VVD injury. Likely to be close to when the video was recorded. Coote should have recommended Pickford to be sent off but “forgot” the rules. This video should bring that incident massively in focus

[@stevenfreaney1734]

Yes that was almost criminal

[@ajw9533]

If Coote had a shred of dignity, he would have resigned on Tuesday morning.

[@teacyhayes]

We need banners about saudi refs, howard webb, all the south yorkshire and greater Manchester refs.. this needs to blow up now. We need an independent study of refs performance not old refs that also hate liverpool. Its a complete sham.

[@gostepsenglish4431]

Like with the whole Diaz 'offside' goal against Spurs. So often we were told 'Oh, can't stop play when it's restarted, dems da rules'. Yet I have seen so many games since when play has been stopped for lesser reasons than that.

[@whh3946]

Got a like for Neil making the point of refs not giving fouls for us, its not even the big moments, its them literally managing the game from becoming to one sided

[@markswain99]

Did Neil’s jumper set off the tech?

[@adrianordonez8800]

Kin ell 😂

[@leebp9106]

This is such a high quality discussion.

[@nonnayoubuzinnes1669]

The 3 red flags with Coote were 1. Saying Liverpool were sh*t 2. Calling Klopp a German **** 3. Nodding when his friend said "we hate Scousers". No way back from that. SKY have Dermott, South Yorkshire Cop Webb and Dean on their payroll. They were always going to turn this back on Liverpool. As for the England drop outs... Brilliant 😂😂😂 Scouse not English.

[@mabslfc]

When i am feeling angry about a footballing situation i just listen to Neil Atkinson who provides amazing perspective. Still feeling anger at the football but at least i have a sound perspective.

[@richardlefaive1944]

It's NOT the same as a general workplace. Or a chat in the pub with your mates ... The point EVERYONE seems to be missing is that they are part of a PROFESSIONAL ASSOCAITION! Does no one who isn't a professional ( engineer, doctor, lawyer, etc. ) understand what that implies about the importance personal and organizational integrity? Does no one understand that this situation is virtually identical to players or anyone associated with PRO football making bets on matches ? How THAT is ALSO a matter of game integrity and this is why anyone suspected of doing it is investigated and suspended immediately ? I have been an official for baseball at a high level and I can tell you that , at least in that association, everyone took this notion of professionalism seriously and was well able to set aside any biases against particular ; head coaches, players, teams, jurisdictions, etc.. I can genuinely tell you that the vest majority of those officials I knew well was simply trying to do the best job possible and be professional. There was actually quite a bit of internal competition to be as competent and "good" at it as possible. So you got the plumb big regional championship games. With those assignments largely being very much based on merit and not how long you had been mates with the head umpire in charge of that event. The PGMOL is clearly so far off that attitudinal standard it's a farcical joke, not fit for purpose, and needs to be binned.

[@SuarezIsGod]

Ratty Neville has had his say and believes Coote should be allowed to ref again and has played down the whole video. Safe to say PGMOL have given him the nod start the conversation that he should be allowed to carry on.

[@davidquirke4269]

Pure hypocrite he is, if it was Utd.....😢

[@CarlG-xu6qe]

Where did he say this? (Not disputing that he said it just genuinely asking cause i haven’t seen it)

[@raulpancholi3089]

​@@CarlG-xu6qethe overlap USA

[@jasonjones6463]

I would like to shit in Neville’s hat

[@ZambotikYT]

That means he should lose his job then cause whatever he says is opposite of what should/will happen

[@sjolson68]

The big issue with refereeing today is that standards are low and clearly not performance managed. The amount of shockers that happen on the regular - for all teams - and missed by VAR for some reason is the issue. There's no transparency & gaslighting about why something was/wasn't given. When the standards are so low and there's no honesty about referees cocking calls up, this is exactly how you end up arriving through a process of elimination that there is broad corruption and it's not randomly distributed. There has to be accountability for the FA, PGMOL on these things.

[@jimflan1712]

Sorry lads you have missed something altogether. The talk about dealing with this (the Coote/Klopp thing) in another company environment by moving people around, completely misses the point that this is exactly what PGMOL have done. We have only had him as the ref in 3 PL games in 4 years. My suspicion on this is that PGMOL have long been aware of Coote's views and stance toward Liverpool and Klopp. That is even more damning ....

[@CoreyTom]

Lads I hadn't even considered the point of city losing points, but you are 100% correct! If we win the title after they lose points thats all anyone will talk about 🤦‍♂

[@stewartmcfarlane2008]

Very good discussion lads. PGMOL is supposed to be a professional body but it operates like a mates club. The comparison with the MET is spot on. Great story about the Leverkusen coverage in Florida,with a bunch of scousers crowded around an Ipad. My sister lives there and is a red, and has Peacock. The elite footy coverage in USA is even more insane than UK. I live in Thailand,and the coverage is way better and either free or very cheap. 3 am kick offs for mid week games are a struggle, but i never miss a game.

[@terrygavin5168]

The lad thd said its blown out of proportion. You serious. Hes got serious hate for klopp,scousers and lfc and hes a manc. And u think when he refs us, he doesn't carry that into the game. Crazy

[@davidlow5934]

Cootes is from Nottingham

[@terrygavin5168]

@davidlow5934 oh well close enough for me lol. Supports the mancs. Same thing. Don't bombard me with facts lol

[@jurgensreds]

Neil i wouldn’t even paint the house in that jumper mate

[@mikefranliv]

Liverpool as a city have one of the best informed fan base re the rules and how the game should be played. Part of this being a problem to others is down to a “can anything good come from the north (or outside London)”

[@lincolnwilson8124]

How is it even possible the integrity of the competition remains if he’s allowed to officiate again?. I’m struggling to stay a supporting of my beloved Liverpool as the league and the competition as a whole is damaged?. The PGMOL make most games dreadful to watch?. If UEFA have banned him it’s not a light hearted matter to them!. Using the word “German” is unacceptable for a large organisation surely,especially when they are bending the knee for racism and we know what he’s said!!!

[@willow2927]

Apparently pgmol knew about the video 4 years ago and didn't let coote ref a lfc game for 3 years it's legit you can check it out this means pgmol covered up racism criminal charges should be made

[@danbellis7193]

Coote made his disgusting comments after we lost 7-2 at Aston Villa in lockdown. Our next game was the 2-2 draw at Everton when Coote is on VAR and fails to spot the assault by Pickford on VVD’s knee which finishes his season. Yet still according to Neville he has nothing against Liverpool and shouldn’t lose his job! What a farce 😂

[@1963frankd]

Coote did not referee an LFC game for years after Covid that is impossible, PGMOL knew about this video.

[@michaelrobinson529]

It’s been taken back to the Burnley v Liverpool Covid game.

[@jamespond863]

Refs need mic'd up, lets see how it goes and we take it from there.

[@chrisstockton4066]

Spot on. Need to hear and see what is going on in the VAR room as well for full transparency. Poor refereeing decisions have literally influenced outcomes of league titles, relegations etc. This incident is a drop in the ocean of all the problems that are the PGMOL.

[@JohnnyBarnes-th7zc]

Why? Don't want to hear what refs say just get decisions right

[@joelsmith3886]

Compare how LFC are refereed in the EPL with how they are in Europe. Big difference between the two, tells volumes

[@josephduggan3215]

While the lads were talkin,curtis jones has just scored a lovely cheeky back flick goal for england on his snr debut🤣👍

[@melabshier5812]

John. FYI, NBC owns Peacock. Peacock is a premium internet service. So more money for punters to pay to see LFC play in the USA. Pubs are charged a bomb to have Peacock, which is why a lot of pubs don't have it. Glad you enjoyed your holidays over here.

[@nicklasaxelsson71]

To miss pickford atack on virg in var room its difficult and onside to offside.

[@whatmatters683]

Some football fan somewhere is currently tapping and humming a David Coote chat - can't wait for it

[@teacyhayes]

The club and ownership have a responsibility as custodians of our club to stand up for us here. The club must call out the saudi refs, the non salah free kicks and all the statistical anomalies that occur in our games for decades now. They have the power to highlight tomkins articles or appoint an independent scientific study of its own.

[@TheLiverpolitan]

We need a "transfer market" for refs, where we can bring the best foreign refs to the Prem because this current English batch are awful, arrogant, incompetent and unaccountable X

[@arzc7]

Like the way the prem refs can go ref in the UAE

[@gerardmoran]

SO SPOT ON about the refs gaslighting us

[@jahbulonjaja191]

Watershed moment - The should we, or shouldn't we use a ref from the greater or lesser manc manor ref a game involving the Reds is no longer a debate. hopefully🤔

[@siempra78]

The fact that Liverpool V Everton has been allowed to become the contest with the most red cards suggests less care an attention is being given to officiating those two teams properly. I have always felt that the referees have "allowed a few bad challenges until someone gets injured" instead of stamping it out early and reigning players in. The Coote On Camera series has dispelled a few myths about his ability to remain impartial and fair to all people participating in the Premier League.

[@Farkmaster]

He created his own kompromat in a position that is historically targetted by organized crime and sees 70 plus billion of betting. The pgmol respond reflecively with insularity and rounding the wagons. Its at best a situation ripe for corruption.

[@leebp9106]

Neil laying the foundations for the garish Xmas jumper collection to emerge

[@Thespacecadet187]

If the PGMOL isn't fully dissolved or radically reformed with all new personnel then football in England really is gone, no one can watch any game with a clear mind. You'll now second guess absolutely every decision.

[@richardlefaive1944]

The BROADCASTERS are ABSOLUTELY loving VAR and the opportunity it provides to provide additional , click bait content. Their narrative that the "scape goating of refs is a fan problem" is the most hypocritical gas lighting nonsense I've ever heard. THEY and how htey've glommed onto VAR are the primary reason referees are coming under more scrutiny and abuse, not fans. Neil is totally wrong here.

[@sanjd6882]

In the wake of the Cootes video it's virtually impossible to look at various decisions over the last few years, involving Cootes and others, and avoid the conclusion that those decisions were influenced by something beyond 20:10 the pitch. No-one who saw the Rodri handball could have thought the ball hit his shoulder or that he didn't intentionally move his arm, no-one could credibly say Odegaard didn't scoop the ball away from Salah. These are just a couple of our examples, there are others. And other clubs suffer too when all almost all of us watching the footage come to the opposite conclusion to the refs. This has got to fixed as it affects titles and relegations. Webb needs to go and someone, not necessarily even a referee, but with a track record of instituting change within an organisation.

[@stevenwhite9408]

At a game last night.. Reading v Newport... A dodgy call by the ref,and a few people asking what the referee is snorting... that's why this ref needs too be sacked

[@johnfloyd4166]

There's more bent referees out there..next time we Liverpool score the referee should do the FOWLER celebration sniff line..would be funny as fuck 😅

[@mikefranliv]

What you describe football refs doing is the opposite to what rugby officials do. In rugby They first establish what happened then discuss what should follow. It took a couple of years but refs in rugby are still treated with respect even called sir!

[@noelk2751]

The Premier League showcases talent in coaches, staff, and players from all over the world. Why should it be refereed only by English referees? The Premier League should be going after the best referees from around the globe to try and bring standards up.

[@antwango]

TBH i cant see a barcelona based ref reffing LFC while seeing Trent taking a corner quickly... Ref would have on field PTSD

[@johnhorrocks7314]

Neil’s jumper frightened off the chameleons & the live tech!

[@StephenDaley-ov4nb]

The baldy lad is spot on

[@G-LFC-85]

Love neils jumper

[@jamesnelson4981]

Think Neil’s sweater is scrambling the camera

[@aidtom3503]

Brightons,coach always state's we are taking on the establishment, there is only one team who has really done that and won is liverpool, and they will keep doing it. YNWA REDS.

[@JHaydon67]

How does a Club signed up to The Premier League take legal action against The Premier League?

[@andrewclifton185]

This is the one we have all been waiting for - OOOOO COOTEY BOY!

[@MartinRonson123]

Best one I’ve seen in ages 😂😂😂😂

[@BellumEtPacem]

Anfield Wrap in conjunction with Lamb Donner with Tahini sauce.

[@MichaelHerbert-l7v]

Gary Neville is David Coote's dealer😅

[@markhodge2735]

Has Neil dressed as a Dazzel ship?

[@gomey70]

Knocking around the woods with Gary Neville is not where you'd want to find yourself.

[@johnhorrocks7314]

Seems to me that rugby union using the TMO (3rd match official) and beaming replays live to entire stadium have managed to get the referee assistance more right than wrong over the last few years. Why can’t football learn from rugby union?

[@seth1455]

Ego

[@MidnightToker-ub4ni]

whether we like it or not or don't give two fucks us scouser's will always be the black sheep. #SCOUSEPROUD

[@antwango]

Are Neils jumpers in the Merch shop!??? Where does he find these jumpers!!???

[@seth1455]

I think he knits them himself.😮

[@LightweightUK2007]

Looks like the hole Coote has dug himself is even bigger than his nostril today 😂

[@ashleyjewell6767]

Ref should be allowed to question

[@JKkkkdddffrr]

[@jefffoster7105]

Can you imagine if it was Arsenal he was slagging ? Lar the media would be all over it and Arsenal fans and Arteta would be demanding extra points ffs 😂YNWA

[@wirralnomad]

I think it is very plausible that he may have been blackmailed to throw games, and this is certainly an interesting take, and if this is so he has a choice now, does he reveal to the Police that he has been blackmailed into throwing games and was outed when he cost a betting gang potential milions of pounds, or is he scared shitless that if he grasses them up he will be bumped off as payback... His mate is a former cricketer, it makes me think that cricket games have also been thrown and that maybe both Coote and his mate were blackmailed by a betting syndicate, it is quite possible that both are victims of blackmail here, or, he may have been the one doing the blackmailing after his own professional career failed, but that is totally possible by all means but I must sttress my earlier point that he too could also be a ictim and not the perpetrator but all possibilities must be considered! Put it this way, what may have transpired was Coote was just a foolish man who had personal bias but who kept his own professional integrity intact during games until he was caught on camera and then blackmailed to throw games, his last game during the Liverpool v Villa game may have been one such game where he was meant to make sure Liverpool lost but Liverpool scored after he called no foul and Liverpool went on to win which cost the blackmailer a lot of money and the video was released due to his failure to deliver the desired result. Now this to me opens the possibility of four years of throwing games, and not just Liverpool games, there may be far more questionable results here to name but one thing I can say is that if this is the case then he has not necessarily thrown games through biasness, well maybe a little, but not the type of bias we have heard touted, more a biasness of for his and/or the good of his family if there were personal threats involved so as to keep him from reporting being blackmailed.

[@janclinton5049]

5 star chat as always 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 YNWA ❤❤❤

[@ericthekop9624]

[@steven3038]

Neil, whats with the sweater? I would make David Coote wear that as punishment!!! ;0)

[@richardlefaive1944]

IF VAR is to continue, refs and the booth must be miced up hot.

[@JohnnyBarnes-th7zc]

No what does that achieve

[@richardlefaive1944]

@ If nothing else, it would force them to develop ; concise, efficient, professional, clear communications protocols. At best, it would either expose or force them to eliminate “in the moment” waffling and nonsense dialogue that is designed to cover corrupt decisions and protect each other’s asses.

[@mikefranliv]

Salah is persecuted full stop.

[@rondavidson8673]

After the new video he's deffo sacked and he'll be portrayed as an outlier and get them out of the ship

[@tk2097]

Think he's deffo gone now after Fowler gate...

[@Masna_]

Is it ‘bad apples’ or foot in mouth disease

[@corryface]

Could they not totally turn the group of premier league referees into a professional unit? Expertly trained and analysed the same way the teams are on a daily basis. They should be the elite of their craft..... but they're shite

[@paulstamper2488]

Your man's just thrown a boss gag out there 7:06 and none of yous laughed 😢

[@seth1455]

Wasn't that funny

[@davidwilliamson9462]

Sort of.

[@barrybrown6793]

non football question ... did adam smith have hair last week or am i going mental??

[@mwsaab9]

Could just be that Coote is totally incompetent and shite at his job.

[@willrobertsmith]

Liquid knitwear

[@johnskilly]

Salah is the 220th most fouled, what does that mean?

[@raulpancholi3089]

It means 219 players have been fouled more often than him. Which is ridiculous seeing as he's always manhandled, so clearly there's a bias against him

[@bishalbhattarai5284]

That means refs are not awarded fouls to Salah

[@ph8077]

Grealish & Anthony Gordon must be in the top three. They are both master con artists.

[@NewscorpPhoneHackingDepartment]

@@ph8077Gordon and Saka are in the top 5 with some outliers.

[@seth1455]

He is the main attacking threat in one of the most attacking teams. It doesn't make sense that he is fouled so little. If you watch Liverpool every week it's obvious he is fouled a lot, but the ref gives no foul.

[@paulmckevitt4299]

VAR feels like woke shite

[@-wypac5620]

No wonder every time Salah👑got foul no penalty for Liverpool #Referees in EPL 💩💩💩💩👎👎👎👎

[@frankward8336]

Coote in deeper now, seen snorting......allegedly.

[@SukhvinderSingh-de6lb]

YNWA LADS

[@NelsonComedy96]

Yeah, honestly I'm not sure why everyone gets so upset at everything regarding liverpool. Even small clubs like west ham, villa, newcastle, Southampton etc. Get really, really upset by us, like foam at the mouth 😂

[@eddiesdreamszn]

I'm sorry but this whole "it's Liverpool bad" and how you lot get the most tribalism sounds so bizarre to me. Like I'm not trying to be funny, I was watching this to get some opinions about this whole Coote thing but then you start with this pity party it's ridiculous the reality is this... Wolves have had so many shocking and horrible decisions go against them, Gary O'Neil constantly was having a go at the PGMOL and VAR and I bet you lot never talked about that, I get your a Liverpool pod but if you really want to see changes in football you gotta all band together, instead you go on this whole "it's only ever us" and poor us but the reality is Liverpool have also had their far share of decisions go FOR them... the Villa game where Coote was just the ref there was an incident Villa could've had a pen but you got away with it. Tribalism is in all of football it doesn't just affect Liverpool... you lot are tribal as well, Arsenal have had their fair share of bad decisions going against them but all fans want to do is say "get over it" or they're crybabies those Arsenal fans. You're doing the very thing you say your club gets... you're being tribal. Pick any team in the Prem and they can tell you they've had their issues with refs and VAR. But it's not important to you because it's not Liverpool. All the fans got to get together and try to force some change within PGMOL and how officiating is the worst int he so called "best league in the world"

[@kriissyy09ify]

Our fans need to grow up a bit. Suspend him for his language but that's about it, he doesn't deserve to lose his job over it. Paul Tierney though, clearly has a thing against Salah that actually impacts our games

[@theotherguy8007]

Yes He should. Has put the game in more miscredit then fifa has ever done.

[@graz4792]

Not us that suspended him

[@alanevans9385]

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