Copy-Paste Comics: A Webtoon Plague Story

[@wyatt8315]

I once heard someone say that there are four types of manhua: 1) Bullied kid gets revenge by becoming strong and/or handsome 2) Porn 3) The most emotionally moving and impactful story with a rich cast and immaculate worldbuilding rivaling that of established authors 4) Porn but gay

[@XD-zg4pn]

Literally Korean comics

[@p-chan-therealone]

4 is peak

[@riibon4701]

I feel like 3 is the rarer of them all lol

[@gOat_GrandMa]

Reincarnation

[@karlixcontreras]

​@@p-chan-therealone peak in dogshit

[@isistaples3202]

"NEW WEBTOON ORIGINALS" and its the most unoriginal shit ever😭😭

[@InfinitySevens]

It's basically that one Buzz Lightyear clones GIF

[@Pukeprincess]

At least it’s above the guy who made I think im gay and his other stuff

[@CallmeVeil]

Not a high bar. Like at all ​@@Pukeprincess

[@ron4202]

​@@Pukeprincess Thats one person, why mention them when there is a fucking sea of shitty originals. They all suck ass lmaooo

[@froilanflorentino1252]

​@@Pukeprincess And drinking piss is more tolerable than eating 💩 lols

[@KayGee_yt]

It's the way they copy EVERY last thing. If I see another black-haired, red-eyed, emotionally blank Duke fall for a pink-haired or blonde noble I'm going to LOSE ITTTTT

[@Amethyst.i]

FR. I used to read some of those and eventually got to the point where I forgot who was who, didn’t care about any of the characters, couldn’t remember any of their backstories, they all had the same plot so I sometimes misremembered things not even remembering it’s slightly different and that thing I remember was from a different similar story. I’m not even a fan of romance, I always scrolled past any kissing scenes or other… stuff. Always made me uncomfortable I was just there for the drama and I liked the concept originally of a reincarnated character and all that. But when they all had the same garbage plot and nothing good even happened, it got so tiring and I usually only read like 3 chapters before getting bored. I also hate how fast they’d fall in love sometimes. Literally saw one where they just met and got married in the span of about 5 chapters, the guy was obsessed with her which is always annoying to read ngl, and I dropped it so fast

[@catduck2112]

My in-laws are obsessed with me is actually great though and doesn't rely on a ton of awful tropes other webtoons do, but yeah I'm right there with you

[@Some_guy_passing_by]

I can already name 5 of those . 😂

[@onemin8729]

​@@catduck2112Nah, I don't trust recommendations at this point

[@meisterfluffbutt]

its good, the person is right. ​@@onemin8729

[@sonloto]

From what I can interpret, copy-paste comics are basically content farms. So, like that one kid who copies everyone else's homework yet subtly changes stuff up.

[@vanzy01]

💯👍🏿

[@Hana_H]

Ya basically

[@Artsylittlewitch]

Every villainess manwha plot in a nutshell: female mc dies immediately and reincarnates as a noble in knockoff Europe, the mc does nothing evil and is the most morally good person while everyone is evil incarnate, the og protagonist is either boring or evil

[@vermillion_labotomy]

And there just so happens to be a very hot very problematic man who is the love interest because the author doesn’t have a social life.

[@Alexandraadftxr7052]

"Knockoff Europe" perfect discriotion. The only reason it takes place there is because of the fashion, which is as far as I seen is usually mixes the fashion of defrent eras and places. Most of the time it's genenly hard to tell which country or time period it's suposed to be. Not to mention that the rulers usually don't really rule, or just veary short court meetings. It's similarly how in CEO romances the CEO never really works.

Or sometimes, it is a villain protagonist without the narrative realizing it.

[@IAmSchwi]

Honestly, I think "villain" is just thrown in the title to make it "spicy"

[@K.KLovelyz]

I only read the ones where the villainess is ACTUALLY evil, and even then it's mostly just the same revenge plot just for the sake of revenge :/ (The villainess turns the hourglass is a good example though)

[@LunaArtGallery]

I feel for the artists. Because trust me, they barely get paid anything and most don't want to make these type of comics. But its the only thing that get picked up and marketed. If you want to make your own original webcomic please don't use these sites and don't expect to make money off it. Most webcomics before these awful sites were 1pg monthly passion projects that we all knew were never gonna get finished but we were here for the ride and artist. I miss those days.

[@BlackLightJack.]

I can name like 20 comics that run that lifespan of “updated every 3 months and we secretly all know it’ll never be finished but we still loyally read”

[@flowerbloom5782]

Yes like reading personal little characters was so fun. I remember reading tapas in the 2000s it was a different experience back then

[@mariaPapagi]

I have a mature comic I post only on twitter…the amount of comments I get bugging me to make it a WEBTOON, when it’s clearly not suitable for the app, it’s crazy! Not only that, they won’t stop asking me to turn it into BL and MLM even though my OCs are in a straight relationship, they literally want me to turn my female oc into a man. They have no chill, then we wonder why everyone makes copy paste slops, it’s what people ask.

[@readerofsouls]

Telling someone else what to do with their own characters is crazy 💀

[@Slappap]

"Wow I love your comic!" Thanks I reall- "But you should totally change everything about it. It'd be SOOO MUCH BETTER!!" 🙃

[@Nockgun]

This is why i am fear that if i had trained enough to be skilled in drawing, They would genderswap my femboy character and tomboy character or ask me to change it. or just make it the whole thing

[@Jungalicious5678]

Whatever the comic name?

[@BatBitesTheBat]

Those people are gross fujoshis, im sorry you have to deal with them.

[@samithh]

My In-laws are Obsessed With Me is one of my favorite examples of having a basic premise but pulling it off and developing the story and characters really well. Honestly I think the title and opening chapter are to hook the people who want to see the basic copy-paste stories and then later on when we revisit the opening flash-forward scene, it's put in the context of the in-law characters putting on a show for the public to know that they fully support the FL, so it's a kind of a bait-and-switch situation.

[@SunOfTheRoanKingdom]

I love My In-laws are Obsessed With Me; apparently, it far outshines the webnovel it was adapted from in terms of writing, characterization, etc.

[@yayagldz]

My In-laws was a pleasant surprise. The art feels unique and FL actually looks and acts her age lol

[@wolftail2558]

I don't believe Jack HAS to explain why copy-paste comics are bad 😭 I thought it was obvious...Great video as always, thanks for always showing me what I shouldn't do if I ever make my own comic.

[@RaidentBlazeWorks]

Honestly, I’m tired of webtoon’s romance crap. The fact that they only care about romance is just so tiring

[@DakkaNah2619]

It’s kinda just an issue with media in general. Whether it be for music or shows, love is always a very common topic.

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

Real. Like where are my platonic ones where there’s no romance and just hanging out?

[@skookiecat_29]

Yeah… even though I’m also currently making a romance webtoon, it’s intended to be goofy tho lol

[@AnmEEE-e6g]

The Webtoons Romance Power Creep is real

[@suberon9173]

blame the readers who cause the demand for romance to which they inevitably get supply of

[@wirginiamobillio]

Tired of seeing the same looking couples in every comic. It's always blonde or white haired FL and brunette ML or if FL is brunette then ML is blonde. Just the same cliche story and characters design in almost every manhwa comic

[@mirimariana]

It would better if they actually put some effort into it. A lot of them are really lazy, no effort.

[@mun3698]

Don’t forget pink haired FL with black haired ML

[@XD-zg4pn]

Literally 99% of those male leads have black hair and the same bangs

[@sillystrings-p4y]

finally someone said it 😭🙏

[@user-bf2ft2vh2w]

They all look the same 😭 Black hair + stoic + unemotional + freaking rude + former villain/second lead/brainwashed by og fl Paired with Blonde hair + girlboss + somehow is very good in business in her new life but was poor in previous life + have new found powers that the previous body did not use or were not aware of its existence or IT SIMPLY DIDNT EXIST Also tell me why NONE of the new family members get suspicious of the completely changed personality of the isekaied girl. They really almost always goes, "oh she finally came back to her senses" LIKE NO DAD??? THATS LITERALLY NOT YO DAUGHTER They literally feel so dry that my eyes need eye drops while reading it

[@ReturnedLO]

Hearing that the author of Now, I am the Demon King's Wife, had a series before that filled with passion was unexpected for me.

[@Yuukichu]

as a webcomic artist who posts on webtoons and Tapas, I can say that their algorithm makes it very unmotivating to make anything that isn't romance and/or smut. Especially if it's not a BL or GL. I personally do have a BL comic but it's more of a natural introduction. The focus isn't exactly the romance but it's supposed to build up and focus more on the paranormal (I unfortunately had to give the story to a friend and have them write it for me, and another friend draw it). Meanwhile when it comes to action, if it's not super action packed every single scene it won't gain traction, even if the art is good. I'm still not used to writing stories so I'm always reading the comments for any criticism, but it's SO HARD when you're not even getting any attention in the first place, so you have to learn the hardest way possible.

[@daecrazyperson3208]

What's your comics name?

[@mirimariana]

Yeah if it's not Historical Transmigration romance, BL or GL, there's like no views. I always wonder how people who don't want to read romance even live? And when it's isn't romance people still shop them. I saw this author writing a mystery comic but then people started shipping the murderer guy and the victim(?) that's a girl so the author just stopped writing. I hope they started up again though,.

[@LifeIsAnOmoriReference]

If you want to share, what’s the name? I love a good paranormal story with a small romantic side plot, I would be happy to check it out :>

[@epiphanyart]

Say the name! I wanna read it 😊

[@riyafathima8332]

@mirimariana Let me guess... the guy upstairs??

[@MouseBolts]

Legit, why won’t webtoon just make porn allowed on their site?? Cuz it’s very clear that they dgaf abt sexual stuff when it IS against their tos, so what would be the difference if it wasn’t??

[@UnluckyCrickett]

Because then they'll lose their younger audience. Not REALLY bc it would be super easy to get around it as a teen to read that stuff, but it nonetheless limits webtoon's growth and isn't as profitable. Really that's all it comes down to. Mediocre moderation and half-assed attempts at separation with the 'mature' tag is better for business than allowing sexually explicit stuff

[@eepyinSpring]

I'd imagine porn comes with needing to follow regulations and pay certain taxes. The latter of which is the greatest motivator for corporations to not do something. They need that tax money for a new yacht dammit!

[@mun3698]

Please no. Porn is everywhere in media, this site still offers palate cleansers 😞

[@FurryBlossoms]

They literally have so many 18+ and up stuff on there, so I'm surprised that's in their tos anyway since they do absolutely nothing about that kinda stuff ☠️

[@kyrohowe3156]

I rather go to other sites because I'm SO glad I deleted the app months ago. It was fun while it lasted.

[@zagirlkisser9000]

“haven’t I already read this?” Yes. Yes I did. 2 years ago.

[@Satella_witch_of_dreams]

This is basically like the Gacha community syndrome or episode choose your story problem but Manwha is suffering this time lmao

[@heidokij]

Jesus Christ you brought back some suppressed memories of when I was in my gacha phase

[@suli4143]

I don’t know why but for some reason most romance manhwa’s characters look stiff as heck to me.

[@Mxtsukii0209]

That's because they use the 3d model assest from clip studio paint. It's a helpful tool to help artists, but the con is, that the proportion is stiff as heck

[@xadalau9758]

​@@Mxtsukii0209Yeah, that stuff makes your drawings look awful. Even pros can't make drawings over the model look good.

[@suli4143]

Oh yeah I was always bothered by how the ml’s shoulders are two galaxies long.

[@gimoy3871]

​@@suli4143ML shoulder being two galaxies long usually because Artist decide to draw the shoulders be more extra longer than the 3D model CSP they use.

[@felix-xd4mx]

they want the characters look pretty all the time instead of expressive. and yes the authors trace over 3d models instead of studying gesture and anatomy

[@artsandgoodies4653]

And the 15% that are actually in some way original and webtoon treats those creators like shit

[@Hana_H]

Fr

[@sillystrings-p4y]

monster and girls *cough*

[@greenmochi4408]

The Last Bloodline my beloved…💔

[@naomiorogun647]

YES I HAVE BEEN NOTICING THIS FOR YEARS. I literally have to dig for any different kind of comic to start reading. Ntm the artstyles become so homogenous that even when they're supposed to be "pretty" I roll my eyes super hard!

[@UniversalControl-13]

Doesn't seems funny that if you take the shade of black and white manga it would make it unique. Like there's also the issue of coloring that makes the panel seems generic or uninteresting. If you take the color away it would just be the model but it is servicable to the eye.

[@loot4213]

Yes is true when i open canvas in genre horror. Top 3 is BL not horror, same goes for genre action top 3 is BL and romance not action.

[@seaemji8591]

I think it would be nice to have something like major and minor genres... like, a romance with fantasy elements and a fantasy story with romance elements shouldn't be competing for the most popular romance (or fantasy story). As someone who loves comedies, it's so frustrating to see a hundred stories with one joke every three chapters, or just general light tones, overshadow witty comedies

[@mirimariana]

Like horror with a BL subplot? Action with a romance subplot? Or is it like more romance that the actual genre you want to read, and actions in the background. Hard to combat since it's 'technically' still action/horror.

[@ron4202]

Yeah, webtoon is plagued with romance. 20 straight royal romance, 15 bls, 10 gls. So much fucking romances.

[@Bowinwj]

Ikr- i look for horror and I find romance, I read it and it’s some shit like boy x zombie or something (a typical copy) Reddit is now my place for recommendations cuz u can’t trust WEBTOON on that cuz all they put out are their cliche crap stories

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Exactly. I love Rofan comics, not gonna lie. Sometimes I read things BECAUSE I hear they're trash but at least when I read them I know exactly what I'm getting and they're easy to find and sort through. I also LOVE straight up horror. I mean I want things like Melvina's Therapy and Shriek. Unfortunately, so many horror comics on Webtoon are not really scary. It sucks because series like Shriek, Horang's Nightmares and Unkown Caller really take the digital nature of Webtoons to add in animations and sound to elevate the horror, but that's not what we get. We get romance with some spookiness. Blegh.

[@tinysoulz]

"Release the slop or you're gonna get dropped" is such a great yet unfortunately true way to put it. Breaks my heart to see so many aspiring creators forced into mindlessly regurgitating already created concepts because that's seemingly the only thing both their platform and their viewerbase care about.

[@eepyinSpring]

5:00 yeah I also went through that. Attempted to do a monthly webtoon comic that was a cute childhood romance fantasy story. It really messed with my psyche that it got no significant traction. Family didn't help- and now I'm stuck with the mindset that I'm completely delusional for ever thinking I could be a comic creator and that I'm genuinely insane since I can't stop myself from continuing to try after cancelling my webcomic. It's not fun.

[@noblesshorts]

so basically, webtoon is a club where the kids who rip off other kids test answers but makes just small changes reside? how did i not see that?

[@triggerfairy4070]

Webtoon Romance is the Historal Romance Novel/Paperbacks

[@crissylulu]

Yes it’s totally the modern day paperback romance! I feel like the webtoons also reflect the modern romances you see being popular on booktok too. I’d guess the same type of people are consuming both

[@Slappap]

But like the bad ones you get from cvs.

[@TeslaBear-ne7jq]

while most originals disappoint me, there are still a rare few that are honest masterpieces and deserve love and support, these are often hidden too so ill make a list of some i personally love. Here There Be Dragons: has a diverse and immersive group of characters, literally every single one has flaws, personality, a fitting group dynamic, emotional depth. and all of it is set in original and fantastical world building. (highly recommend)(very LGBTQ+) Nevermore: A more gothic edgy romance centered around edgar allan poe themed lesbians in a mystery. the characters are amazing even the villains are written well. (need i say more?) Homesick: a post-apocalyptic world full of gore, mystery, and some of the most heartwarming and tense moments i've read. it covers some more sensitive topics but handles them in a good way. (this one has a few things i disagree with but i still love it.) Not Even Bones: this one isn't for everyone since the protagonist and love interest are horrible people and make questionable decisions. but that the point of the comic, and i got super invested in the characters and lore. (10/10)

[@jestemczowiekiem3661]

Nevermore is sooo beautiful and the world building is so interesting and full of mysteries, I'm surprised it isn't higher in the charts.

[@bisahnchen8727]

Nevermore is so great, man 🥹 I also read a good bit of Not Even Bones. It wasn't really my thing because of the constant pressure the protagonists are under, but that and the characters are what make the story intriguing for other readers, I can imagine! So I would also recommend it!

[@Mitsukouer]

For me personally, the cursed princess club was what made me download and stay on WEBTOON ^^ the story and music was awesome

[@Naviamm]

Not even bones is great but the plot had me in headache for a while. Won't re-read but if you like complex criminal drama then it's for you

[@RoseMaplemoth]

Gotta say "artistic inbreeding" is a genius word We have a lot of those now days, the artist inbreeding that Disney does but with their own works The artistic inbreeding of isekai genre harem genre and death game genre in anime It just waters down the whole thing so much

[@draconicfeline6177]

I'm so fucking done with it all. that, and the "im in a game world now" or "generic fantasy setting hero power fantasy"

[@ms.ladybird]

whenever I want to find more good comics on Webtoons (if god permits there to be any), I just go search in the genre categories and choose a genre I like besides romance and what not. Mostly in sci-fi or animals. (of course it would depend one's interest) but finding comics by genre in canvas is a better search method for me.

[@whistheartist]

I know this sounds dumb, but have they considered just making a separate platform for the shitty romances? I know it sounds ridiculous but listen for a second I recall in matty bites video on "cry or better yet beg" the naver company owns webtoon, yonder, and wattpad and if I remember this right, they have a south korean version of webtoon so why can't they just make a separate platform called "webtoon romance" or something like I know going on tapas or staying on canvas is the better option for an artist and writer but I guess I'm looking for a better solution for naver? The whole romance thing to me kind of fucks with me because it feels like it discourages artists to do stories for webtoon (that they like) and not what the artist wants But that's just my opinion on this whole thing

[@baguettedevourer]

I think you definetly have a point about how seeing so many crappy romance webtoons succeed where more inspired works get left behind can discourage new artists, however I think having an entire seperate platform is a bit overkill. I think the ability for people to read and engage with both romance and other genres such as action and thriller all on the same platform is one of the biggest strengths of webtoon and similar apps. I honestly feel that cross-reading is the best way to broaden peoples horizons and introduce them to something they previously thought they wouldn't like. The people who already enjoy reading the romance stories will just download the romance only app and have less opportunities to engage with more diverse stories. Additionally, making a different app might encourage webtoon to continue to push these copy-paste stories instead of encouraging new ideas, and even take away even more attention from less popular creators. The best way to combat webtoons romance slop is to continue to support creators who make more creative works, and encourage others to do the same. Maybe instead webtoon should implement a genre filter for those who want it, or even have a better reccomndation system where it focuses more on the content of the story rather then continually pushing the same genre over and over again to the same person. Ex. This romance comic has a revenge plot and a main character who wants to invent new ways to protect their friends and family while living happily ever after despite a rough past ----> Lets reccomend a mystery comic where the main character was wronged in the past and turns to inventions/forensic investigation to not only find who did the crime, but also to grow as a character who works to keep their friends and family safe from further strife. (I hope my tone didn't come off a rude as I just wanted to open a discussion to solutions T^T. I think you're idea absolutely has some merit)

[@flowerbloom5782]

This is the same issue with booktok infecting fantasy like a virus.

[@noobed9646]

12:45 Get shot in the foot: wattpad Don’t get shot anywhere: AO3 There was never a gun to begin with: reading physical manga and comics

[@RickyFSeiei]

I propose another Solution: Change the Market. The idea behind it, is that if the Market Demands are changed the Content they produced does as well. If we don't want to see another Romance Non Con BL/GL Slops, we have to change the Market so that they don't want those contents. The Problem is... It is quite Difficult to change what people are gooning to.

[@msf2399]

7:27 Okay, but “The Doctors Are Out” is actually a great pun-title for a gay slice of life comics staring, presumably, medical professionals. I like that, that’s clever. …Don’t care enough to look it up & read it, but it’s better than any other title in this scrolling section.

[@bisahnchen8727]

I once started reading it, the characters are pretty sweet and have nice chemistry together. They also seem fleshed out with a backstory from what I could tell so far (in contrast to many other Originals)

[@Ash-wf6me]

It stars a vet and a primary care physician, it presents refreshing characters conflicts where the two have a hard time getting together due to realistic life issues. The vet is handling his feelings after he gets cheated on and the doctor is dealing with a custody battle for a child he made after a one night stand.

[@_ameyui]

THW DOCTORS ARE OUT IS GENUINELY SO GOOD

[@Littleguyletsgo]

Omniscient readers viewpoint is by far the best webtoon I have ever read and isn’t like the other reused slop

[@mastertofu]

I think that's because it's an adaptation of a popular Webnovel. It wasn't made for Webtoon's romance-centred audience, instead more suited to Webnovel's ("male") audience of cultivation stories and power fantasies. (Webnovel pushes gender-specific genres so those for a "female" audience is the same romance slop as Webtoon.) Those aren't common at all on Webtoon, hence making Omniscient Reader look really unique on that platform. I love Omniscient Reader, I do think it's pretty unique. I'm just pointing out an observation that makes it different from other Webtoon Originals.

[@marfa-ilm]

I like romance alright. But if every story revolves around reincarnation, regression or transmigration and the duke/knight - princess pairing, it's getting boring real fast. Not to mention most of them follow the same plot with very few exceptions. I'm at the point of just skipping any story that has those cliche tropes which leaves me with just a few that I actually find fresh or interesting

[@archangel.jophiel]

Of the entire catalogue of webtoon, I only kept Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint (the masterpiece of all masterpieces), Schoolbus Graveyard, and Greatest Estate Developer in my library (and sometimes Merryweather comics because sometimes his works is a hit. JUST SOMETIMES. I like Clinic of Horrors, don't blame me.) Everything else, I could probably already predict the entire plot upon reading the summary. Word for word. Sometimes, it's lowkey an insult on my writer pride. Because how on earth can people consume such sloppy content over and over again? There's no twist, no nothing on it. Cliches are fun to play with, but if you simply just use them again and again with zero substance added, it's so TERRIBLY BORING.

[@lindathepretty3563]

If you like greatest estate developer i definitely recommend reading love advice from the great Duke of hell! The concepts and plot are very different from TGED but the comedy and storyline are immaculate, it uses exaggerated facial expressions to make the readers laugh aswell. It is one of my best reads on webtoon unfins genius is unmatchable😭

[@mitacestalia7532]

well yeah, orv is peak

[@freakystrawberry]

I was looking for someone to mention Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint, thank you so much 🙏😭

[@archangel.jophiel]

@@lindathepretty3563 oh yes, i've heard of it and it's on my reading list but just never got arounddd (more active on tappytoon and lezhin hahha). will definitely go and try reasing it now hahah

[@archangel.jophiel]

@@mitacestalia7532 very VERY peak. can't wait for the journey to the west and kaizenix archipelago HWYYYGDYUQHAHAH

[@meisgogo]

I mainly consume tapas comics. I have noticed a lot of the manhwas are very similar. What can i say, i like a tropy read 😅. It can be fun to just either turn off your brain or sift through the trope library to try and guess how the story continues. However, if i find it too generic, i will just drop it.

[@pearllady8959]

Copy and paste comic is equal to shovelware games in webtoon

[@sillystrings-p4y]

I hate how accurate this is

[@cryptidsystem890]

You’d think the portion called webtoon originals would be more… y’know original

[@febricaesar215]

It's the equivalent of Japanese web novel, authors are just releasing the same generic slop and hope that their slop hit the jackpot and outshine the others slop

[@momochi5230]

As someone who like villainesses genre i already suffered this things since before it pooping out more in webtoon, sometimes you get something good but most is just terrible 😂

[@shiromi-p6035]

I’m honestly getting tired of reading some same romance setting like the reincarnation or something, and just read the action themed manhwa instead or even an idol themed story That kind of story really makes me entertained and feels new to me instead of those romance 😅

[@Satella_witch_of_dreams]

Try reading some messed up romance such as withered flower or elegant desire those two really stand out, and I don't even like reading manwha

[@shiromi-p6035]

@ oh god… i know that manhwa 😅

[@shaospirit]

How dare KZbin hide this from me for a minute! Srly, love your vids! Tyyyyy

[@Anarchivist343]

This is why I read mostly manga. Even in romance, it's easy to find what you like because it was published in a certain magazines or because of competitions like kono manga ga sugoi. The quality is also better in many cases. I'd love to read some great webtoons but there is too much slop to wade through to find them.

[@MenollyKuromi]

Listen, I like royal-reincarnation stories, but they are literally *everywhere*. And the main character is usually a high end noble, make them a commoner for once who's trying to live a normal life and *not* give them a love interest everytime...?

[@polinagaranina4304]

Mioko-san here! A resident of Canvas since 2016. In love/hate relationship with the platform (the 'love' part being the Canvas community and how many cool people and comics I got to meet there). My biggest frustration with the amount of slop being thrown at people is the lack of advertisement for genuinely good things. Like, it's a constant barrage of same-ish things without any consideration for throwing a pearl or two into the waves of the ocean. Oh, and censorhip and content moderation. Good videos you make, friend, thank you for bringing attention to the horrendous stuff that shouldn't be on the platform, like, whatsoever. And now they're planning to hold a competition in 2025, which... Feels icky, to say the least? Like, a whole other can of worms.

[@Someoneelse215]

10:24 this channel is “Man Carrying Thing” and he is a comedy channel. The video with the thumbnail shown is satire and is making fun of grifters.

[@nanadreal]

6:24 RETURN OF THE BLOSSOMING BLADE MENTION‼️🔥🌸

[@justabooberv4298]

At this point the only reason I'm still on webtoon is for a few good webcomics i genuinely love like rooftop roommates, marionetta, lady knight, kasearin tales of the red dragon, woven and here there be dragons (i highly recommend the last two, they're so good and deserve so much more recognition)

[@libramoon1582]

I've seen LOTS of copy-paste media so I can wholeheartedly agree about Webtoon's laziness when it comes to content based on genre. I've seen webcomics on Google Images and TV Tropes that have interesting stories and unique art styles which Webtoon ignore in favor of nsfw romance slop

[@K.K.Station]

Its really sad too, i remember Webtoons in 2016 where there was a ton of originality, and the romance series we did get, like Winter Woods and Super Secret, would have something that play with the rules of their respective worlds to bring the leads together It wasn't until the boom of Otome Isekai that the platform changed because a lot of well written ones that expand upon the tropes are owned by their competitor, Kakao/Tapas, and Webtoons pretty much had the leftovers and the actual non-trending romances have to conform with the trending romances as a way to not get dropped....its just sad 😔

[@DeathsinkTV]

What comes to the "Empress's Two Wolves" I have seen that webtoon on other sites with way better and more unique covers, and like, to give credit... The story is interesting despite the generic cover of the webtoon. I do think that a partial problem is how the site advertises webtoons, they saw that one type of cover "sells" so they try to recreate that formula over and over not realising that it makes everything in the long run look generic.

[@bubblegirl55]

webtoon cannibalizing itself 😭🙏

[@Sony_p_l]

I consider myself an avid romance reader but now that im thinking about it, most of the comics I genuinely enjoy (like omniscient reader, the apothecary prince and a couple Merryweather comics) I think im more into other genres lol Also if you can/want to, check out the greatest estate developer! I think its great!

[@K.KLovelyz]

Fun fact: the author of Overtime Elite has a KZbin channel! Branden Chen, I believe his name is.

[@SirenSirenKaninis]

I agree with you on the point that romance comics on webtoon are inbreed and flooding the place. They are often filled with problematic, shock value, cheesy and toxic tropes that appeal towards girls. But i have no idea why you say estrogen dopamine. I get it if you are talking about the readers being female, but other than that estrogen is not something the brain releases and does not really have a direct affect on someones emotios like dopamine or serotonin. I dont mean to complain it just kinda confused me lol

[@eminora-art]

I have been posting my webcomic (Drama/Fantasy one, with no Romance) almost for a year already, and got featured in Hidden Gems / Staff Picks, however I still have pretty small audience compared to other series. I have really good page views to readers ratio, which means that those who tried to read it mostly liked it, but the main issue is that most visitors don't even go that far. I have already decided to change cover, to make it more "clickable" but there's only that much I can do besides that. Meanwhile I spot some new works in Romance/BL/GL genres that skyrocket to thousands of readers after being featured, going directly to Rising Star and continuing their promotion. I know that my work is not something outstanding, but lately, considering anniversary is approaching, I felt so tired fighting with regular updates and promotion on social media.

[@georgebeckons539]

I deleted webtoon years ago for this reason. It's an old problem they have unfortunately. Another issue I had was many comics had relationships between adult and minor and somehow nobody cared. Every brain dead fan in the comment sections were just like "omg hes so hot!!!" Like be so serious this guy met this girl as a 7 year old kid then when she grows up they date and they're the protagonists? Be so fr.

[@keisolos]

THIS!! when i saw the thumbnail i literally agreed immediately. when it was released on webtoon the other day i saw both savage proposal and empress 2 wolves and thought "why does this keep popping up" and clicked on savage proposal and saw its... low rating, nosed at the preview and moved on. it took me a day to realise they were different when i went back to see if the rating for savage proposal has improved or worsened but i checked the other one without realising and saw "oh so it might be good the ratings improved" went to properly read it, i audibly said "oh wait theyre different comics" and then i actually went to savage proposal saw them together and theyre almost identical. (savage proposal barely changed rating LOLL)

[@darkdream1469]

The thing is most of those romances arent even good 😭

[@hedrick_art]

Literrally why I put my own canvas on Hiatus. No reactions, no views, just silence both in France and US, while being drown into clone webtoons

[@whoisthishmm]

As a long time manhwa reader, I remembered using Webtoon in the early days, when there were a lot more variety of genres there. I no longer use official manhwa apps since they're no longer very "free", so I turned to random recommendations I get on social media and the various recommended stuff I'd get from websites where you can read manhwas for free. Since then a lot of the genres I've been consuming are those with some form of nobility as a setting and there's always some form of romance on top of it. A lot of the times, they are absolutely boring and use the same tropes and I've never considered how copy-paste-y they are until this video (down to the cover art even). While some are absolute gems, a lot of them are really shit in terms of either plot, character, or both. I like to think of it like viewing the isekai genre in anime (funny enough, isekai, regression, and reincarnation are also settings that are used often in these manhwas). As in, as long as they can execute it well, it's still a good story in the end. After seeing this video, I didn't know how bad it's actually getting. I thought the recommended stuff in these free websites were meh enough or a 50/50 coin flip. Didn't think they'd start publishing content that aren't supposed to be there. I'm probably not going to blame the author/artist. I don't know their situation but I feel bad if this is the only way they're ever going to get their bills paid. It's like having their creative potential stripped from them and they're forced to output the same thing just to get by.

[@chloeamito9877]

I fr have an idea for a comic that i've been working on and one that i have published but i know that neither will do well because of how unique the ideas and premises are. As for the unpublished one, i'm putting too much effort into it to the point that i learned to draw in two different artstyles just for it's sake but i still know the only way for me to get eyes on it is to promote it outside of webtoon which i have no idea how to do. The though of making a copy paste webtoon has crossed my mind many times tbh because I know it'll be easier to draw and get more views and attention but I really want my weird story ideas out there with my unnecessary blingy art.

[@HiOKbye-gm7ns]

Maybe start a comic who look like à copy past webtoon but then after a while , put gradualy your ideas . It will atract an audience and maybe some of them will love your ideas . But anyway , good luck.

[@chloeamito9877]

@@HiOKbye-gm7ns not bad, thank you, I'll definitely do that!

[@Kvir0s]

I want more horror webtoons like sweet home was my EVERYTHING

[@ombrellodivetro]

I used to like romances on webtoon, but so many of them are poorly written that i cant get myself to sift through the trash to find the well done ones, it's kind of ruining the genre. This happened when i got into isekais too😢

[@Stickamajig]

Comments throughout the video I'll add here: 3:32 This tactic itself isn't BAD. Keeping the audience hooked on your story and what will happen next isn't a sign that the webtoon is bad, its when its the only that is has going for it. Seokwoo's webtoons are a good example of this, because even though that have this, they still hold themselves up by substance. 4:45 Good time to talk about Khephera, really good scifi war webtoon.

[@avocatto1877]

I am the villain is actually pretty good, I like that one.

[@sleepdeprivedweirdoo]

Welp, as an adicted reader,I am happy to say that I dont think I have read or liked any of the webtoons you called out and totally agree with you. There are a few of the generic repeated themed stories that shine in their own way but most of them, ehhh😅

[@smiledude1538]

I don’t think even Jungle Juice got hit with the mature rating and that series tends to be really damn gruesome.

[@sashab2488]

The only historical romance I follow on webtoon is The spark in your eyes, and it is SO extremely underrated, i've only ever heard of it because a mutual of mine on tiktok introduced me to it. The premise is so interesting and well executed, the romance is not cliche and the characters are nuanced and not 2 dimensional. These r the type of stories I expect webtoon to promote instead of this kind of slop

[@nvnvnv13]

Even Isekai nowadays have variety 😅

[@derrickthomas4767]

7:30 that is the perfect phrase for this

[@cyberdemonic260]

Alright Jack, asking for a friend, what is your opinion of a Jackal as a fursona?

[@JackvsWebtoon]

Anything that’s not a generic neon fox or edgy wolf is welcome so it’s good

[@ARStudios2000]

Thank you ​@@JackvsWebtoon

[@arthurmorganSUN]

I know this is an old webtoon, but if you want fun story I would recommend "I don't want this kind of hero" it's a really good story packed with humors and interesting characters. It's old and already finished in 200 chapters. Old gold in Webtoon is the only reason it could stand the way it is now. It is not famous like other webtoon OGs from years ago but it is a good story to spend your time with. Brief summary: it tells a story about a 'normal' highschool student, Naga, with too much power for his own good, being recruited into a 'hero' organization that handles cases outside the police force's scope. The world is a mix of modern with fantasy element such as hybrid humans, people with powers or deals with the devils. Naga is your standard OP MC who is only comfortable using his power for mundane things.

[@vaelia1203]

I always thought that instead of having new stuff coming out every week that is too often the same boring trash action or romance reincarnation comic they could just advertise more finished ones or other currently running ones. Without all of these they'd have the time and space to promote more stuff that they usually don't as much and also the ressources could be focused on making sure the authors are not mistreated. I do find that you always only talk about the romance ones but honestly the action copy pastes of solo leveling/orv/revenge stories are just as bad if not worse in quantity, they're just really slightly less promoted on webtoon (tho other apps do push them just as much) and often have extremely problematic content in them too (racism, misogyny, actual plagiarism scandals, barely disguised gross fetishes, the way they approach slavery, the ones that want to be "edgy" with humanoid monsters (or even just to show a guild is evil bam they all 🍇 women) that 🍇 women to reproduce that are almost explicitly shown half the time... maybe this should go into barely disguised fetish... maybe even racism, etc...) on top of being copy pasted slop with the worst use of assets you've ever seen and mcs that all look the exact same 😭

[@xsatsuki98x]

A Good Day to be a Dog is very good tho

[@nananananananana1567]

I love the creator's works so much. See you in my 19th life is a good one too. Now they're making "Disaster always follows me".

[@freakystrawberry]

​@@nananananananana1567 they made see you in my 19th life?? Woah I'm checking out their other works too

[@vaiduliuke]

Most of these look like Harlequin romances but in webtoon/manga format. Same old plots too.

[@nevernadeshiko164]

Those made money too (during their time) and now on Amazon Kindle there's a lot of copy paste and.. I am trying to get into making trope-ish kindle romance.. (wanna pay the bills)

[@myrthywyrthy]

Thank you for showing on which webtoons I should NOT waste my time on! And just wanna say that this video is a bit quiet, my ears will be blasted off if I forget to turn it back down at the end.

[@benamisai-kham5892]

The huge problem with a lot of these similar looking ones is the feeling of wasting time, especially when the actual romance doesn't go anywhere until the last 15 episodes. I also struggle to get into some of these new webtoons because they go too hard on the world plot paragraphs immediately instead of introducing the characters and why I should care about reading about that world. Can you talk about the weird surge of established comics randomly getting a new art style between either breaks or seasons? Not that it's bad for many but some you read because of the art style then it just...changes in the middle of the story? It's super polarizing for some comics, even subtle changes like the recently changed "a martial master wakes up as a concubine" with an entire new art team (the old one seems to be gone) or even "when the third wheel strikes back" changing between seasons. There's plenty that have been doing it but it's just weird that it's becoming more common? Sometimes it's really nice and looks like the old style but improved, other times it starts taking me out of the story. I'd just like someone more well spoken to open this topic up more and analyze it.

[@modesolaedebor2459]

Now while i agree there are a lot of copy paste comics, there are also a lot and i mean a lot of originals, you just have to find the right authors for example, every lico studio comic, merryweather(i know who i said), every story the authour of Bastard made, every story the author of a good day to be a dog made and so much more. And i actually liked freaking romance, it was the first time i saw that olot premice

[@springdemon.w.]

OMG YES LICO STUDIOS! One of my first and favourite webtoons when I started back in 2018 was Refund Highschool! Reading their newer work Return of the Blossoming Blade. Other creators I recommend are Seokwoo's Days of Hana (sobbed like a baby) and Quimchee I Love Yoo. WEBTOON tried marketing ILY as a romance, misleading readers who read for romance when the story is a drama and romance is very much in the background, and very slow bc of what actually goes in the story. Hell, webtoons tried getting Quim to have another male character that's in the story, as a "second love interest" or more "romantic scenes" with him😒 thankfully she has refused since, and continues to make her story HER way as she intended. Webtoon still fucks with the system though, cutting long chapters into shorter ones, so they end up ruining the pacing of the story as Quim says those long chapters NEED to be intact cuz that's how SHE wants it told. Quim has gone on hiatuses and little strikes just to get new contracts and negotiate conditions with webtoon over stuff like that (they STILL split the longer chapters, ffs)

[@foxcomix]

can yall share platforms I can post comics that are better then webtoons? after seeing this I feel like my comic wont thrive there (theres no sex or romance in it) edit: i mean this as a joke but i wouldnt mind if yall actually gave names of better platforms 😗

[@honeybunlulu]

I recommend The doctors are out The beast of hadingley hill Surprise you’re gay Daybreak Star catcher I abdicate my title of empress Love & other wicked things A spell for a smith The blind prince Like mother,like daughter Muse of fame Skool of street The egg project Winter before spring Back to chanbi R.a.w Clinic of horrors Manager Kim Yada yamas There are no demons It strikes a cord Cinderelle Les normaux Vibe check School bus graveyard.

[@Regene2383]

lol I read like most of them, good picks!

[@honeybunlulu]

@ thank you! 😊

[@LemonheadPhilosopher]

They kinda remind me of those Gacha mini movies i watched as a kid. Lmao

[@DaydreamerAaren]

Even if I was 12, I'd be bored af with all those copy-paste romance webtoons xD

[@chiar8476]

i dont c the issue, if u dont like it dont read it. thats wat i do with isekai when it comes to anime. but yea its weird that the filter/genre system doesnt work properly.

[@Dread2012death]

Likely webtoon needs to actually screen things for readability but maybe they do and horrifyingly its run in reality by people fully into this.

[@riotkitty]

Unoriginal Webtoon Originals

[@BurntSushi.]

OVERTIME ELITE MENTIONED AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I STARTED READING THAT THE DAY IT CAME OUT It's so fun to read :))

[@lvckyun]

for me 2016 was the best year in webtoon, they used to nitpick the original works at the time each one was unique and just generally really good, there may be some bad ones but it's mostly really good, to a point where I read almost everything that was released every month but now I couldn't care less, I don't even have the app anymore ... to think I've been on the site since it's relatively humble beginnings, now seeing how webtoon had become is just upsetting

[@springdemon.w.]

Been on webtoon since 2018 thx to Emirichu video on it but I wholly agree. Back then, the front page was much nicer to browse through, and didn't feel so cluttered and canvas too. Now they just advertise the SAME works, same tropes, REALLY milk certain series, and don't give a damn at all. Webtoon as a company has just gotten worse and more shit over time as well

[@lvckyun]

@@springdemon.w. omg the good ol' days, I remember being so excited to see the front page update and recommend us really good stuff. Now everything just seems so boring to me ( which sucks bcs I know the creators worked hard on these but it's really just so messy now ) also correct me if I'm wrong wasn't back in 2018 we didn't have any of the coins and daily pass things? gone were the days

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

the fact there a high demand in romance proves even more webtoon is a woman dominated space. while manga is more boys dominated space but im not sure about Chinese manga

[@ilovewagner]

And good story like return of the mount hua sect , orv, hand jumper ,spore , vampire family and etc doesnt get any likes at all , but trash/generic romance story always get so much likes , bruh wtt

[@naomireme9080]

At this point i really hate webtoon, they aren't promoting actual original unique art ans stories.

[@theotherjared9824]

It's in Webtoon's best interest to allow these copies. The originals are being copied for a reason, and it's all more money towards the site at the end of the day.

[@whohangedmyname]

I'm pretty sure these comics are just poorly disguised fanfictions of one another.

[@Silver.0.13]

i read two comics in like a year ago and now i can't even identify which stuff happened in which because both of them is so similiar, i quit trying to find them now. sometimes even if i went to my favourite genre, i still can't find a new comic i want to read because i read other ones before that look the same

[@wiggie666]

Great video. He's speaking truth. I've been creating a series for almost 5 years now. Ppl just want no substance on there.

[@Light15XV]

Honestly I found gems in wholesome fantasy bro friendships manhwas that have very simple plots and are consistent mostly. It was such a breath of fresh air to read them and I wish one of them had continued its manhwa though I do wish for the novel to be translated… Pendant of the Nymph btw I love it

[@official_mosfet]

It's almost like people took a trope (that's almost a complete template) that's very jarring, easy to replicate, kinda controversial and on the romance side (ofc), to make *money*

[@TheeSilentObserverz]

8:30 its not just teenage girl that read those its even adults woman. there a reason why twilight was extremely popular and 50 shades of gray.

[@jakeguillero9804]

I don't like how comments are calling these hardworking webtoon artists as "Lazy". Art creations will always overlap with other art creation, artists will always inspire each other. It just so happen that they are in the same site. Mangas have a lot of similarities as well, there's some standouts of course but it's the same with webtoon. It's the same with novels. It's the same with music. It's the same with games. It's the same with all creatives.

[@Listless_Seira]

Tired of romance and smut crap? Just pirate… just kidding 😃

[@SunOfTheRoanKingdom]

This is how I find my favorites. I kid, I am a legal consumer of media 👀