CoreXY vs Bed Slinger vs Delta

[@3DPrintSOS]

Print times: K1 Max: 2h 35m V400: 3h 5m X4 Plus: 4h 4m All using the same “print” settings and letting the default slicer and printer settings do the rest at a .2mm layer height.

[@802Garage]

I wonder if a square "delta" machine with four arms would actually make sense? Of course it would increase cost, but it would take up about the same amount of space and have a larger and squareish build area. Just a thought.

[@BSOE3058]

Quality would be the same or maybe somewhat worse, hard to tell, since even $12k+ machines use only 3 arms

[@802Garage]

@@BSOE3058 Yeah I doubt there are any real benefits. More just a thought experiment.

[@shipool]

Fairly certain it would perform worse. With three points of contact, any movement on each arm would translate to some sort of valid directional input. Take a look at any of the three legged vs four legged table/chair videos. Three legged chairs are always stable.

[@jaybash2944]

I gave a like and follow. Thanks a million for this video. It was very nicely done. Short, detailed, and right to the point. Cheers! This helped me a lot with my decisions on what I'm going to want to purchase for myself here soon.

[@3DPrintSOS]

Awesome. Glad you found it useful!

[@jaybash2944]

@3DPrintSOS yea, man, I hope you can get some more following. It looks like you deserve it, and you seem pretty passionate about it. Is there any chance I could convince you to join our gaming community discord? We have a few members who are into 3d printing, and I feel your creations would be a welcomed sight for all. We have over 3,000 members.

[@3DPrintSOS]

Yeah, sure@@jaybash2944 Send me a discord invite, I’ll be there.

[@Reds3DPrinting]

I spoke too soon when I commented earlier! Lol Im glad you threw the v3 in the bunch! Im so excited to race the v3 against the k1c!

[@thenextlayer]

Great video. I DEFINITELY noticed the Z-Banding on the blue models, though!

[@3DPrintSOS]

You’re right, there was a bit. No hiding from my lights in that room! The delta killed it. I have another one like this coming with 4 machines soon. ;)

[@jeffhack6839]

I have a Neptune 4 and the V400. Footprint on the bench is not that much different. Both great machines once dialed in. Cheers.

[@3DPrintSOS]

I have a Neptune 4 plus and I can't fit it on any of my tables. :(

[@jeffhack6839]

@@3DPrintSOS Well that kind of sucks. I now have a second V400 as I have the room. Yes, there are the faster FLSUN deltas now BUT the V400 is just about bullet proof. I do a lot of filament changes for colour. Yes, those Bamboo things would make life easier BUT I myself do not do those intricate prints anyway. Do not see the waste as a benefit. Someday I will spend the time should I be able to make the file to work and do a multicolour print 'by hand'!! Cheers.

[@JonLaRue]

The opening of this video was great.

[@Nigel_Tufnel_11]

The other issue with Delta's and their size to keep in mind is that, if you print a lot of square based things (e.g. gridfinity/HSW/multiboard), the biggest you can print on a 300mm build plate is actually only about 210mmx210mm, which is smaller than an Ender...

[@Solista670]

I was just about to make the same comment. A delta printer has a square print size of 0.7x its diamater.

[@OldManJimmy1]

Started on a Creality CR-10 back in 2016 so very fond of the bedslingers. I do have a Bambu X1C and it's an amazing machine but also have my Creality bedslingers CR-10 S Pro and CR-10 SE the Ender CR-10. I even still have my original CR-10 8 bit driver board printer.

[@andrewzanoni2681]

Which did you like the most ?

[@OldManJimmy1]

@@andrewzanoni2681 My favorite Creality is the new CR 10 SE it's the only Ender sized CR 10 I've ever seen and like the linear rails on all the axis except the z. I have to admit the Bambu is hands down the best though.

[@JonLaRue]

the QIDI next to the K1 Max lol. That QIDI is a chonk!

[@3DPrintSOS]

She thicc

[@chadselbe59]

hands off i call dibs on the qidi

[@JonLaRue]

@@chadselbe59 we’re splitting the horse milk right??

[@chadselbe59]

@@JonLaRue ill split the male horse milk with you

[@3dpathfinder]

The best 3d printer is...the one you can afford. Its just about printing. Some can do it a bit better , some not so much but its about printing. Get what you can, start learning and printing and never feel like your less because you cant spend 1500 on a machine, all the latest gen printers are good in their own way.

[@3DPrintSOS]

Whole heartedly agree. hopefully my message in closing came through. This was about showcasing the types though.

[@colincampbell3679]

Well, Now I have all the different types of 3D printers after 5 years of doing the hobby! I did not plan this set of printer choices, it just ended up this way? I have now 3 bed slingers ( including the Neptune 3 Max. ) I have a FL Sun Delta QQ-S Pro. I have a Saturn 2 Resin Printer and now just got the new Qidi X-Plus-3 Core XY enclosed printer. So I by chance ended up with all the main types of 3D Printers. I had some big problems though over the last 2 years with the Delta Printer and the Aquila ( even though I upgraded it ) such that I saved up for some time and brought the Qidi printer. That core xy Printer with Klipper is my 1st klipper printer that also is the 1st enclosed one. It is the best by a long way out of the other FDM printers I got. I am now thinking of saving up to get either another Qidi x-plus-3 printer or the Qidi X-Max-3 bigger version? And sell off the Delta and the Aquila as, They just so much trouble to level and work right, They both were great printers and I loved both but no matter the amount of upgrading and maintaining and work I did on them, They just still got worse, So they most likely be going? I just keep the two newer FDM printers, the Neptune 3 and the Neptune 3 Max. I have the new BTT Pad 7 and hope to set those two up for Klipper control? I found that no matter the care and maintaining and upgrades and hard work you do to keep some new printers going, they seems to just bit by bit get worse to use even though I have only used they some of the time not all the time some hobby uses do! Shame to lose two But no matter the amount of care those two just don't wish to work fully? I will see about building a room inside the spare room where they are that be sound proofed and safe to put all the printers I keeping. It be better sound wise and mean all the printers be used without bothering me when I sleep next door. The Qidi X-Plus-3 really is a great fast enclosed printer. I be trying out a new Sparkle Type ASA filament by Flashforge soon? I just brought a new Ruby tip nozzle of 0.8 mm for the Qidi as the ASA sparkle notes state I need a hardened nozzle of at least 0.6 mm to use the filament! So I went with a 0.8 mm version. Be interesting to see what the sparkle ASA looks like? Mine is the dark blue one. They do also a white one, a black one, a light blue one, a dark green one, a red one. so some good colours there to pick.

[@matthewgiannotti3355]

I think I'm going to go with a delta next. I'm excited for the FLSUN S1. The only printer I currently own is a Qidi X Plus 3 CoreXY, and I love it, but deltas are so cool, and with the S1 coming out with all the things that the Bambu X1E has, I'm in.

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

People need to know about the terrible ringing and vfa on the K1 max.

[@3DPrintSOS]

I’ve made videos on how to tune input shaper via root access and unlocking both x and y shapers. That helped quite a bit. Also speed tuning to find at which speeds the printer prints the best and sticking to it. I have very little to no VFA in my prints on that machine and it’s still among the fastest printing out of my fleet.

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

​@@3DPrintSOSOK thank you. I have been reluctant to root the printer. But perhaps I need to.

[@followme8238]

That an important distinction…a machine that is “awesome once you root it and add new software” is an absolutely non-starter for a subset of the community, especially beginners

[@Kotaztrafee]

Am I Wrong? I get ringing with my QIDI X-Plus on text that I have on a cylinder. I tried a Flash Forge Adventurer 4 and there was much less ringing. My theory was/is that the core X-Y has to move a heavier extruder than the Cartesian. Therefore I am watching videos like this to see if my experience is a common consensus. From what is said here I should be getting better detail out of the core xy but does that take into consideration, Ringing?

[@MidMadn]

Video quality was great. You got everything nailed down pretty accurately. Huge opportunity missed though by not using the same models and even more importantly posting the actual print times so people have an idea how much time / speed their money buys them. Something to keep in mind going forward. Thank You for the video.

[@3DPrintSOS]

Appreciate the feedback. I have the times in the pinned comment. ;)

[@3dtechnologies153]

Which one do you like the best?

[@3DPrintSOS]

I like CoreXY because of the space management but Delta is by a mile more fun in my opinion.

[@3dtechnologies153]

What about reliability?@@3DPrintSOS

[@3DPrintSOS]

I dont think the machine type will matter here as all 3 are generally using the same type of components. The reliability typically comes from the manufacturer choosing one cheap part over another and that part failing. Like a bearing, belt, or more likely a sensor.

[@vahvelpoiss]

speaking of coreXY - what's the status on Reborn2? I have replaced the frame on mine for some more height and slowly seemingly turning it into a Trident or as I would call it - Highborne :D

[@3DPrintSOS]

That sounds so cool! I think it’s been discontinued too. So even cooler. Mine needs time. I wish I had more of it.

[@vahvelpoiss]

well, they are coming out with Reborn 3 apparently if Orca profiles and some hearsays are to believed@@3DPrintSOS

[@2916tnt]

What about the bed droppers? Looking at the sovol sv05, any thoughts?

[@3DPrintSOS]

Since they are mechanically the same as a cartesian machine, I skipped them. My personal issue with them is they are usually more expensive than a bed slinger and now that coreXY is getting so cheap, there is almost no benefit to get one over the newer style machines. :/

[@RobbieTV]

Hi. Are the laptop stand files available for sale?

[@spelevator1845]

My Dad has 2 Core XY 3D Printers at his Shop. they we made by a company called Qidi Tech they are called the X Max3 and the X Smart 3

[@ElijahG98]

My heart wants a delta because they are sick and less popular. But because they are less popular I'm worried ill run into issues with possible upgrades I 'may' want to do. How hard is enclosing a bedslinger? The electronics on a core xy are technically enclosed, but usually in their own compartment. I like enclosuers to vent out my window. I have a slightly upgraded OG Solidoodle 4. I've been getting back into 3d printing and feel like its time has come to upgrade lol. Theres so much new tech out now, upgrading it doesnt feel worth it when anything new offers so much more. My goal isnt really to get a printer to 'tinker' but also feel bad blowing a ton of money on a high end one. Which likely means tinkering lol. which is where popular models have benefits. I was thinking of getting a refurbished FLSun on ebay. SR is 200 and V400 is 400. Cant decide if the V400 has enough upgrades to be worth double. Its nicer in virtually every way but at the end of the day does the same thing.

[@jesseburson]

Wanna talk about buttered sausage? LMAOOOOO good vid ferdo

[@zac2877]

i like cheese EDIT: Awesome video. Helped me understand the difference between the diff types. Thanks.

[@ROCKETKNIGHT-ph7xp]

Do you want to sell your Voxelabs Aries?

[@vash469]

I know a guy in Australia I think that's got a couple he was selling

[@3DPrintSOS]

Already passed it on to someone

[@spelevator1845]

Thank you for the video. you have a very nice 3D printer Setup

[@KasarReis]

should i get cr-10 se or ender 3 v3

[@Andrew-hr5on]

im getting the v3.... better form and tech

[@micver1091]

The ender three se rules Its thru you just have to need fun three d Printing. I started whit easy thread k9. And fine tuned it in Cura. For smal prints i stil use the smal one . Bud i put a steel bed on the k9 and use a glu stick . And i used other Springs and cut them to the size. And its a amazing Little printer. That is almost as fast as my 3vse . You also need to fine tune the se. And put on 2100. 80 80 50. And the slicer speed 160. Even the Eiffel Tower came of it whit no supports. So nice. I must say. The creality slicer is a good slicer. A specially for this printer . Just pusch the advanced button. And it almost the same as cura. That a use on my Little k9 from easythread. Have printing sruff

[@chadselbe59]

The cover photo featuring Ferdo is rigged AF

[@3DPrintSOS]

So…you liked it?

[@chadselbe59]

@@3DPrintSOS its FAP worthy bro!

[@JoseLopez-oz1xm]

Excellent. 🌮