This Mara take made people VERY angry

[@iratepirate3896]

Mara Jade was a stellar character in her own right. In Survivor's Quest her arc was amazing in particular

[@autumngottlieb3071]

I don't care what Disney does or doesn't do with their canon, but people reducing Mara to just "Luke's wife" has always pissed me off, and I'm glad to hear someone else say it.

[@autumngottlieb3071]

@@exilestudios9546 I'm not even going to dignify that with a counterargument.

[@walli6388]

I 5hought she was the emperor's hand first and foremost

[@kubamcmillan3078]

​@@exilestudios9546um you forgot the legends cannon exists not just Disney cannon

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

@@exilestudios9546 while you are factually correct I think what the guy was trying to say is that even the discussion in of itself is unnecessary and frankly always leads to idiotic fighting.

[@LordVader1094]

@@exilestudios9546 Except there isn't one official continuity except in people's dreams, considering Disney does the exact same thing as Legends did of having some sources more canon than others. Keep bootlicking corpos though, lmao.

[@ecth97]

This was a perfect take on Mara Jade and why she was such an interesting character in Legends. Heck her competence as complexity as a character outside of her eventual connection to Luke was why she ended up being a much more interesting love interest for him than a character like Calissta. It’s comical that so much of the fandom doesn’t seem to realize this

[@pwnorbepwned]

Yeah. She was his foil, his rival, and his friend, for a decade before they got together. She was the Zuko to his Aang, or the Vegeta to his Goku.

[@jarjarjargon]

This was mostly a good take, the only part I absolutely disagree with is that she could be shifted in the timeline. That would be downright awful. Luke and Mara do not need to get married, but absolutely need to share some sort of bond if she is brought into canon. hey were massively important to each other's character growth in legends.

[@minicle426]

It's comical that people think Mara is 'complex'...

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@minicle426she is though?

[@jonathanryan9946]

Mara Jade had an incredible redemption arc, regardless of Luke. Further she did basically become a Jedi on her own without him, as she co-trained with Kyle Katarn. That said, she could still have a relationship with Luke, just here where she doesn't marry him. Just look at Hera and Kanan, relationship but not married. So problem solved. All we have to do is have them in a relationship, then Luke kinda break it off like he kinda did in the Jedi Academy trilogy by ignoring her to focus on the other students. Mara takes it personally, like she did in Legends and doesn't come back to him. Hell, she could even still have his kid, like they breakup shortly before Ben falls... then finds out she's pregnant. Say with Jaina Skywalker. Now, we'll get a Skywalker blood Ben, Jacen, and Jaina in Legends and Canon. Or as you said, Mara gets coomb spores and has to leave for medical treatment, while Luke can't leave his students as he's literally the only other Jedi Knight/Master besides Mara. She doesn't get better until long after Ben Solo falls and Luke dies. Thus explaining her absence.

[@dogloversrule8476]

Luke’s feelings of helplessness over her condition could also help explain his actions in regards to his attempting to murder Ben. His helplessness and loneliness could have caused him to be somewhat corrupted with the Dark side

[@jonathanryan9946]

@@dogloversrule8476 I personally don't see how Mara Jade getting sick leads to Rian Johnson's bastardization of Luke's character, by making him attack his own family without provocation. If anything it's best to just chalk that one up to Palpatine manipulating Luke's mind. At most, let's say, Plus Luke could have let his disciplined mind wonder due to Mara's condition. Though personally i prefer the idea that Palpatine snuck into Luke's mind via his bond with Mara and then Mara's bond with Luke without either being aware of it. Luke though never putting it together afterwards due to not realizing Palpatine is alive but instead thinking he became his father. Or they could just play up Palpatine's skills by saying he just gained a ton of experience entering the mind of unaware force users due to having Mara Jade as his Hand for nearly 20 years. With Luke just not having that much experience against mental manipulation because nearly every other darksider or Jedi to train with was dead... and Mara Jade was never the type to want to manipulate others minds after her ordeals and Leia basically quit being a Jedi (also due to bad writing).

[@dogloversrule8476]

@@jonathanryan9946 I’m not saying it’s great, I’m just saying that it could help explain why Ryan Johnson’s mess did what it did. Though you’re idea is pretty good, we know Luke has a strong moral compass but this could delve into how his moral compass is broken, or maybe he’s suffering from a mental illness

[@jonathanryan9946]

@@dogloversrule8476 Luke's character arc really doesn't work with a mental illness storyline (maybe Ben Solo or Jacen Solo, but definitely not Luke). At best I'd say it could lead into a fear of becoming his father, possibly a thought left in his mind by Palpatine. Though, obviously the best solution, is to just retcon the Sequels and chalk them up as a force vision. Afterall, Kathleen Kennedy can't run Lucasfilm forever (and hopefully after Indy 5 looking like a total flop, will be leaving very soon) and she's basically the main proponent of the Sequels... nearly every one else sees them for being very misguided in regards to their interpretations of the Original trilogy characters. Heck, make post RotJ Legends and the Sequels into two different sets force visions Luke gets while he trains with the Force Priestesses from season 6 of TCW. Both containing elements of possible futures they want to both warn him about to avoid and with different parts of each simultaneously guide him towards. Think of Legends kinda like hints of the path to take and the Sequels being like Yoda's trial in that CW arc, where it's more a dark future they want him mentally prepared for so they make Luke witness himself failing. So for example, Luke will see how bad his Jedi Academy will turn out if he tries to do it all himself like what happened in the Sequels, while simultaneously trying to guide him to allowing the training of anyone regardless of age like what happened in Legends. That way he can get help running his Academy, especially from Mara Jade and Ahsoka, as neither will be afraid to call him out on anything they see as wrong. Plus as both timelines had Thrawn and Palpatine returning, plus darksiders trying to turn his nephews he's now forewarned that that is how his future enemies will strike (and I'm personally a fan of Leia and Han having the kids from both timelines, so neither camp feels backstabbed, and to throw fans for a loop. Then hooking up Luke and Mara a bit sooner so they too can have Ben Skywalker sooner plus several other kids... heck maybe even adopting too as a wink and a nod to Rey, instead of her terrible Sequel plotline basically immediately retconning it from the getgo so now she's trained way earlier... plus being related to Palpatine will give Mara Jade one heck of an arc with her). As Dave Filoni seems to be working with Timothy Zahn and can always call Jon Favreau back once Kathleen Kennedy is gone, we'll kinda get a triumphant of qualified people who can fix what Kathleen Kennedy broke. If we get so lucky with them fixing post RotJ, then hopefully we can start to ignore the High Republic and instead call Drew Karpyshyn and Chris Avellone to setup the Old Republic era with Nomi Sunrider (probably with a name change due to Sunrider being trademarked by Jeep), Darth Revan, and Meetra Surik.

[@dogloversrule8476]

@@jonathanryan9946 very true, but don’t forget about Karen Traviss, it’s thanks to her that Mandalorians are who they are & the likes of James Lucieno & Mathew Stover. The former wrote such works as Plageus, Tarkin, Catalyst (a rogue one prequel novel), Labyrinth of Evil & the Rise of Darth Vader & the latter wrote Shatter Point, the ROTS Novelization, the NJO book Traitor, & Shadows of Mindor. They could also get the Sword of the Jedi series going again & put out a sequel to Republic Commando.

[@mannen659]

Mara Jade was basically a Space Jack Bauer/James Bond/Sherlock Holmes character. It could be done well with a bit of smart writing...

[@TimSedai]

The subtitles miscued Mara Jade as "marriage aid" and i effing died lol

[@CoreysDatapad]

Even the subtitles trying to objectify her smh

[@Amoschp524]

The problem with adding Mara Jade now is who will she be the foil too? What made her great was how she was a reflection of a Luke who went to the Empire. She offered insight into those who believed in the order and stability of the Empire without being pure evil. She was a force user who experienced strong emotion and yet wasn't controlled by it. She brought back into the cannon the smuggler side of Star Wars with Talon Karrade now that Han was respectable. But the main reason she was great was the discussions she caused in the Fandom about the Force and nature of evil. But there currently is strong hero character like Luke from Legends for her to be balanced against. People focus on the wife part because in my opinion she was the only character in legends who match Luke Skywalker and be his equal and not be overshadowed by him. If the brought her in the Disney cannon she will seem like a Mary Sue because in my opinion the level of competence of characters in Disney's cannon is very low. They would have to strip away a lot of the core parts of Mara Jade to make her fit. They had a chance to tell a similar story through Finn, one reason he is a fan favorite, and botched that up royally so I don't trust Disney with her character.

[@matternativ]

She doesn't necessarily need to be a foil to anyone in particular but she could be one for Ahsoka, Ezra or Cal if it can not be Luke. What I find more interesting is the idea of seeing her grow up under palpatines guidance, maybe we even see the Hidden Path fail to get to her. The other reall good opportunity is to have her become a sort of advisor for Rey and Finn as the Obi-Wan type mentor role. Her being not nearly as dogmatic as the prequel Jedi could help steer the New Jedi Order in a fresh direction and Rey has someone to talk to who was around and witnessed how the previous attempt failed.

[@davidb9639]

@@matternativ yes, let's just take more stuff from Luke, why don't we?

[@Quintus_Fontane]

Corey: "Let me just present this entirely reasonable point that's impossible to dismiss out of hand". The internet: *SCREECHING*

[@autumngottlieb3071]

Yep

[@kR-qj7rw]

some people got really mad about it, like corey made a personal attack on the redhead hot waifu that they wish they could have irl

[@autumngottlieb3071]

Also, some people just feel like they need to be right about everything in life.

[@Quintus_Fontane]

@@autumngottlieb3071 Yeah, that's an increasingly common thing today. It's been my (Hard learned) experience in life that if I ever want to be right about anything, I first have to acknowledge and seriously explore the possibility that I'm wrong. I feel like if more people were open to that, the world might be just that bit better off for it.

[@jarjarjargon]

I love Mara Jade as a character and WANT to see her in canon. I'm completely fine with her never marrying Luke, but they need to have a deep relationship or friendship for her to make sense in canon. They were massively important to eachother's character growth in legends.

[@ladylolth3057]

Wholeheartedly agree. I love how one guy told Corey, a co-host on Tapcaf Transmissions, "you would know that if you read any of the books".

[@AndreVeaseyJr]

I can understand the frustration with people only thinking of Mara Jade as Luke's wife. Indeed, she is complex and her being Luke's wife specifically doesn't define her. Like a comment before said, she can still be the wife of Luke Skywalker just a breakup though I'm not sure if I've seen a successful couple or marriage in Star Wars via the new canon so that would be refreshing. I'm almost done with the last book in the Legacy of the Force series, and I've noted a few things about Mara. Although she has her moments of jealousy and tough talk, she's still a great mother and deeply cares for her son. So much so in fact she gave Darth Caedus the fight of his life and even though she admits she couldn't beat him in a lightsaber duel, she chose the battle ground and structured it to give her an advantage. Despite many characters not being simply classified by their relationship, people's character is shown through how they interact with others and their relationships. She can still fit into Canon whether the wife of Luke or not, the mother of Ben or not, the assassin of the emperor or not.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Hust one more failure on the list then?

[@AndreVeaseyJr]

@@DIEGhostfish ?

[@davidb9639]

Well then, what's left? All you've done is turn her into some random attractive readhead, wandering the galaxy.

[@pwnorbepwned]

I’m going to be very blunt. If someone thinks Mara Jade can’t be a character in something because she can’t be Luke’s wife, that person did not read the books at all, and doesn’t actually know who Mara Jade is.

[@montelrawling2004]

Yeah a Disney Character

[@joelmaynard5590]

I personally would rather not see Mara Jade show up. She and so many EU characters made sense for the EU, the Canon is it's own setting and it should have it's own setting. I genuinely disliked seeing elderly Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie on screen because it was less time to know our new protagonists. We want and we need new heroes and villains in star wars.

[@unodos149]

Best idea would be to focus on Mara being a secret Imperial assassin and not even touch the Luke relationship factor. The Emperor's Hand facet is most interesting plus easiest to fit in, since they already shat the bed with the Luke-as-an-older-man time period with the latest movies.

[@JenniferKokoski]

I'm just delving into the EU. Just finished the first Thrawn trilogy where Mara is introduced. She's an interesting character so I understand why people love her. Frankly I would prefer that she stays Luke's foil and eventual partner. But then that's because I absolutely despise how Luke was portrayed in the sequel trilogy. He basically went on to make the same damn mistakes that Yoda and The Jetta canceled did in not having attachments. That's bullshit and definitely bound to imbalance Jedi knights making them susceptible to the dark side. It is attachments that grounded Luke and gave him the ability to overcome palpatine's evil. It's what led to Palpatine's downfall when Anakin finally turned back to the light because he loved his son and didn't want him to die. Having said that, the time for the OT characters is gone. Carrie Fisher is gone. Harrison Ford is too old. Mark Hamill unfortunately had his character ruined. We've been able to see some cgi de-aged Luke in the spin-off series but that's not the future of Star Wars. And because Mara Jade's character is so intertwined with the Skywalker family, I'm not sure you can bring her back and it not be a ghost of what she is in the EU. There was time to bring her into Canon. It would have made a more realistic background story for Luke the hermit if she and their son had been killed by kylo Ren. And ultimate betrayal of the family within the family. That would drive any optimistic hero into a pessimistic hermitage. But you can blame Rian Johnson for writing shitty stories. Unfortunately I just don't think there's any coming back for that.😢😢

[@Skywalker20239]

Her relationship with Luke doesn't make her less important to Legends)))

[@thorshammer7883]

"Legends" is it's slave name. Expanded Universe will always be it's name.

[@Skywalker20239]

@@thorshammer7883 I suppose you right 😄

[@thorshammer7883]

@@Skywalker20239 And no heartless and faithless Corporate Conglomerate and institution who defiles and profanes all which is good will ever say otherwise. Besides they will be reaping the fruits they have wroughted from their lawlessness soon enough. In one way or multiple ways. They will reap what they sown from their lawlessness.

[@Skywalker20239]

@@thorshammer7883 I don't know what to say, except, thank you, i mean it))) And may the force be with you, always 🙏

[@thorshammer7883]

@@Skywalker20239 Appreciate it. When a series gets as bad as this when under the enslavement of a wicked master like Disney it's to hold unto what's good and completely seperate yourself from such a abhorrent group like them and give them nothing but your rebuke for their lawlessness and refusal to compromise and hand out your support to them unless they repent and forsaken their ways. Which Disney has constantly shown they do not. And so I will give them nothing but rebuke. With the Star Wars hotel shutting down. It's just another one of the blunders which by their own hand have inflicted upon themselves for their defiled fruits. You reap what you sow. Let that be a good lesson.

[@alukenbachauthor]

Just Luke's wife?! It's like people didn't read the books with her in it.

[@sergioruiz733]

Characters who are in relationships are more they just being other said characters partners. People seem to forget that. Y'know kinda like real life? That's really a great correlation about your Mom with Mara's situation,my Dad had stage 4 Colon Cancer and can definitely see the correlations. Should reread NJO again.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Mara is a wholly complex and compelling intriguing character with plenty of strings to her bow, besides being just Luke's wife and to character her as just that is deeming to her as she so much more than that; with Imperial hand, assassin, master trader, smuggler, friend, lover, mentor, jedi being many different facets of her personality over the years at different points. That she could bring a unique perspective as a character to the new cannon if introduced there in whatever way they choose to do so.. Though given how badly Disney botched and mismanaged their depiction of the original trilogy characters would prefer that Disney left her well alone as an integral part of the legends verse

[@damarglover6363]

If they had try to introduce her at the beginning of Disney having Star wars then I would have supported it. But now all that would do is just piss people off because now you have to create some reasonable excuse for where the fuck she's been this whole time unless their goal would just be to kill her off before all this happens which at this point wouldn't be no point to even introduce her

[@Skywalker20239]

I always thought that Mara Jade is a great character with or without Luke Skywalker, i like her, she's my favourite female character in Star Wars)))

[@senorelroboto2]

I also disagree with George Lucas' assessment of her as a character in a catsuit.

[@piraticalmoustache7181]

Considering the terrible writing of disney Star Wars I'd prefer if Mara wasn't adapted to their canon at all.

[@willemdafreind4994]

My opinion on this is I don't see why they made the Thrawn Trilogy cannon, only to now go and make a slightly different version of the Thrawn Trilogy. And I feel like no matter what I will enjoy Legends post ROTJ but we'll see.

[@Arashmickey]

I think her later appearances as Luke's wife not just enjoyable but fairly thoughtful as well, but some of the parts where she isn't Luke's wife is some of the most celebrated expanded universe material, which puts into perspective just how much good material would be thrown out with the "bath water" by accepting this argument.

[@The.Crawling.Chaos.]

Well said Corey. I agree 100% While I'm not angry I do wonder why LucasFilm decided that the old Legends stuff was not good enough except for certain things they might be cherry picking. It will always be an adaption anyways if we are talking about Legends stuff being adapted into Live action. After all, Marvel did not disown their old comic books but they have adapted whatever they like from those into Live Action. Yes I know Lucas looked at Legends as a seperate thing, I do think LucasFilm is wrong in just doing like Marve. Basically, if it's good, use it. Or maybe they have begun to do that now. No disrespect to George intended but he did sell Lucasfilm and all it's properties.

[@e.corellius4495]

it was never a matter of "not good enough" they never looked at any of it in the first place, didn't want to pay royalties to the authors, and were possessed of the sheer mountain of hubris shared by most of modern Hollywood, that they were somehow actually "better writers" and would "of course" do even "better" than the original.

[@jipjomon]

e.corellius is sort of right in that it wasn't a matter of "not good enough", but I think they're still characterising it from a place of imagined victimhood. It was clearly a business/marketing decision and you can follow the train of logic very easily: Lucas wants to sell Lucasfilm -> Disney is interested, he pulls the trigger and gets his bag -> Disney want to make their money back ASAP by having Lucasfilm make Star Wars sequel movies -> 99% of general audiences have not read the post-ROTJ EU and very few directors/screenwriters would want to work with the baggage of dozens of novels of continuity -> like Lucas before her with his ST concepts, Kennedy decides these new movies won't be in continuity with the EU novels -> a new continuity is created for these new movies and their tie-ins to take place in. At no point was the quality of the novels even relevant: every single one could've been a Stover/Luceno banger and they would still have been put aside for any sequel trilogy that would have ever been made. It wasn't a value judgement on the novels, or the people who enjoy them (evidently, given many people writing for the Disney continuity are themselves big fans of the EU).

[@mb9484]

I just want Luuke back at this point.

[@pilotlist6276]

I just want to know the mental gymnastics behind how Mara Jade is more than just Luke’s Wife is INCEL behavior…

[@jrev2284]

I don't get why every relationship in these movies have to end in marriage. I don't know the numbers but I'd guess that 1/20 relationships ends up in a marriage. Even then 1/2 of all marriages end in divorces, so that could also apply here as the Luke we see looks like he would be a horrible husband and any sane person would leave him. Although I couldn't care less for how this turns out as I've never read the trilogy and I can't stand the sequels

[@tomasjasiunas1911]

I'd say characters can be adapted and changed in this case, it's not always great, but for example Thrawn was brought back, but so far really none of the essence of the Zahn's Thrawn trilogy (except for his introduction) have been brought over so far. Yet they can still do it in the future or change his story to make it interesting. Same for Mara I'd say.

[@Hannezia]

Longtime fan of the mod, at least since around 2012. I just wanted to say that you are probably the best SW-channel out there, with your video on the senate and its structure being an absolute gem. Sorry to hear about your mom, cancer can go f**k itself and I hope reading about Mara reminds you of her.

[@eds1942]

The model that they used for Mara also had a deteriorating health condition. I would like to see a Mara Jade like character who’s in a romantic relationship with Luke in canon, if for nothing else than to give him a better reason for losing his mind. Cause the current explanation doesn’t make much sense. As far as she can’t get married to Luke since “Luke doesn’t get married.” Well, Lucas signed off on that story. So I just chalk it up as Luke didn’t get married in Lucas’ canon, which was episodes 1-6 and Lucas was getting tired of being asked questions about the EU, which he oversaw and guided, but wasn’t invested in developing it’s stories. He’d give the developers some ideas, dates and characters to do something with, say he liked or didn’t like such and such, step in and have them change this or that, answer their questions and he might have gone over a summarization of the storylines before the sign offs, but that’s about it.

[@nickevans2605]

really weird to call you an incel because you view mara jade as a character rather than just "Luke's wife"

[@spencersholden]

I was a big fan of the Dark Empire Comics and Audio Drama so I have always like Jem as a love interest for Luke over Mara. But this is ridiculous. It’s like saying Revan can’t be canon because Malachor has already been shown.

[@0100-d8m]

They could easily have a Mara & Luke relationship that is more platonic, and that might even be an improvement. The issue is that there isn't a good way to do that without making Luke's sequel behavior even more bizarre. (Why didn't he go to his jedi best friend/rival/whatever for help or advice? etc.) They would end up needing to kill her off just to preserve the continuity, which would be rather limiting. Making the character of Mara Jade with absolutely no connection to Luke makes about as much sense as re-imaging Luke without Vader. Characters are defined as much by the contrast with their foil as by their own traits.

[@nuancedhistory]

I dunno I feel like Corran being a furry is a pretty important part of his character. :P

[@ThomasMusings]

User "Sinrebirth" on the JCF has a great theory on how to One Canon all of this.

[@SubManic]

This was so well written. Great work.

[@roseredthorns]

not surrpised a bunch of misogynists only care about having a woman being tied to a man and being pretty and nothing else. not her relationships with friends, her kids, the struggle of leaving the empire and its philosophies, the trauma she has from her past in the empire and from losing her nephew Jacen to later being killed by him, the struggles of her career and her past. she's a great character and im not surprised a bunch of star wars chuds are just obsessed with her being no more than a wife and a pretty face

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

If they did bring Mara into canon as an Emperor's Hand, I would simply explain the title in Rebels as being something that can be pointed to if something about the Emperor's Hand was ever leaked to the Empire so that they can still remain secret and nobody will be looking to deep into Palpatine's spies

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

The problem is that reasoning is that she's basically became a cultural icon among Star Wars fans not just for her relationship to Luke but in large part because of it she's like mary jane to his peter parker. Both characters can only ever reach their full potential when they're in a romantic relationship with each other because all of their character growth comes from that relationship. That's not to say writing about them in a time before the relationship can't be interesting. It's certainly can be. But it has to be in service of that end point

[@conradojavier7547]

It's like Sega & Sonic Team trying to Censor or Remove Sally Acorn, cuz they knew She's more Popular than Amy Rose who simps for Sonic.

[@histguy101]

It had nothing to do with Mara being valued as "Luke's wife." It's that a character is the sum of their experiences, their personality, and growth. Simply "bringing a character into canon" has no value except for marketability. A canon Mara Jade isn't Mara Jade, just like a canon Thrawn isn't Thrawn. It's just not the same character, because their entire story is rewritten. They've lived a different life, and the one readers are invested in is not that life. So introducing Mara Jade for new canon readers who don't know her is fine, but for those that do, that's not gonna make them happy or excited. It would be a different Mara Jade. Maybe it's Mary Jade, but not the Mara we knew

[@matternativ]

I may as well go ahead and just link your video in my own's description because you say everything that needs to be said quicker and better. Really good video and thanks for including your story in it, it really does give it a personal touch and an angle I hadn't even considered.

[@CamelotGaming]

Being Luke's wife isn't her most important trait, but it was a very important part of her and Luke's story. Their marriage was one of the best things to happen to Luke, so not having them be married feels wrong. I'm also against bringing EU characters into canon as every time it's happened that character has been significantly worse.

[@johnperiwinkle9912]

I haven't read the NJO series, or a lot of post-rotj material (legends or canon, working on both), but the scene where Luke proposes to Mara caught me more off guard than any other sentence in a Star Wars novel.

[@kjhuang]

Yeah, it does seem to kind of come out of nowhere.

[@cd5sircoupe]

I personally don't think Mara's coming into canon, but damn those comments around 0:42 are some fucking hot takes if I've ever seen any. I can't tell if they're just trolling or if they seriously believe the shit they said.

[@kjhuang]

Do we know for sure that Canon Luke wasn't married or in some kind of relationship prior to _TFA_ ? Maybe Mara Jade has already come and gone in that continuity. While Mara Jade is obviously much much more than just Luke's wife, I do find the idea of them not being together to be weird and sad. It'd be like a Spider-Man universe where Mary Jane Watson exists but isn't Peter Parker's significant other. But in any case, I'm done with Disney Star Wars so no, I don't want them to bring Mara Jade into their canon, I don't want them to make any new stories, I don't want them to exist anymore period. I just want them to sell Star Wars to someone else who will make and adapt Legends material.

[@SoApost]

There is nothing wrong with a defined destiny for a support character to the main protagonist in a fiction. Mara Jade isn’t a real person who needs to have her personhood validated outside of the role created for her as a character designed to progress Luke’s journey as the main hero.

[@drakevane2663]

I don't think people disagree that she's a good Character w/out her relationship w/luke. It's just people don't like that disney is against their marriage

[@QA-ut7dd]

Not really sure why this take would be so touchy. Perfectly valid argument that you made with regard to not being reduced to another character's love interest, especially that they're all so much more than that - from Mara, to Mirax, to Wedge, etc. Even if they decide to adapt things, we'll always have the old stories to revisit. Personally, I've never really been completely sold on the continuity reboot post-2012, but I still consume the old EU material and content related to it very regularly. Would I like to see the Legends storyline picked up again? Absolutely.

[@DarkVaati13]

Very good video Corey. I'm generally against Legends only characters being brought back, but it has always been more out of a desire to see something new done. As much as I would love to see more stories about Dass Jennir and K'Kruhk as purge survivors I also really like seeing how Kanan and Cal have lived and acted as Jedi during the Empire. If they're so different from their source material I feel like they might as well be new characters. I personally would love to see a Mara like character who was either a Force Using servant of the Emperor who was left to wander after his death(s). It's part of why I dislike Dark Disciple where it just does such a radically different thing with Quinlan and Asajj (who herself is mired in weird retcons and rewrites thanks to TCW tying her in with Dathomir) that I almost wish it was just new characters rather than trying to be a Canon version of Quin's arc while removing vital characters to him like Aayla, Tholme, and Khaleen.

[@owlsayssouth]

I don't want Mara jade in Disney star wars. They have hurt me enough, I don't need to see them butcher her too.

[@spectre0586]

10/10 Could not agree more. Mara is a well balanced and complex character with plenty of story potential in the Disney Canon, and reducing her simply to: Luke's Wife does a disservice to one of Legend's most loved characters. If Thrawn can get a new lease on life in Disney, I see no reason Mara couldn't.

[@RevanMartinez]

She was the hand of Thrawn before she was with Luke... she was in Jabbas Palace during RoTJ.. theres so much to tell. I really wish we could see more of the dark side acolytes like Carnor Jax, Mara Jade, Lumiya, and Jerrec

[@Sephiroth144]

And while I don't care either way about Mara being married to Luke or not in D-Canon- the presumption that Luke never married, (not like he was keeping touch with people for quite a while), is itself pretty questionable. I mean, it could be a secret marriage, something that isn't talked about much (did she die in the Academy purge?), something that happened on Ahch-To, that happened between the Academy's fall and Ahch-To, etc... And that's presuming MJ "has to" be married to LS. Hell, they could have Mara being married to Luke, and raising their child in secret, and boom, if they want to have a REAL Skywalker to counterbalance Rey, there ya go. (Not what I'd suggest, but *shrug*)

[@theenchiladakid1866]

Not sure about the hole "she is only lukes wife" bit but she could totally be new cannon, Dineny make up and change stuff all the time. Plus The galleries needs more redheads as their are only 3

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Still, though, even if she doesn't become a love interest, she'll still feel nerfed. The best option would be for an iteration of her that has a bunch of notable twists... like, say, she's a clone of a Mara who unfortunately failed the Emperor's training for reasons unknown (for the time being) or perhaps bring in a Mara from one fortunate-or-unfortunate Star Wars universe (somewhat similar to Legends, but with some notable discrepancies) accidentally brought in to this world by some World Between Worlds shenanigans in other works. Bonus if said take(s) on Mara is actually one who'll appear in the otherwise controversial Neo Jedi Order plan for Alt-universe storytelling.

[@Skipray_Blastboat]

We dont know anything about Luke's life before the razing of his Jedi Temple. He could have had a wife, she could have gotten killed then, or left him before that. Nothing in the very small details that are given in the ST make it impossible to add Mara. Hell say she left him with an ACTUAL Skywalker child and give us a true heir to Luke's legacy. People forget how little was defined in the entire 3 movies of the ST.

[@Italiangentleman2394]

I mean Mara could absolutely fit in the cannon and palpatine having secret force sensitive spies in secret is pretty cool

[@carlbusch2295]

Mara is one of my favourite characters in legends. If she didn’t become Luke’s wife she still would have been a great character.

[@aceofhearts573]

Sorry about your mom. My grandma passed away 8 days ago and she was the one that raised me.

[@CoreysDatapad]

Sorry to hear that

[@Arashmickey]

You know who doesn't make people angry? Moruth Doole. He's handsome, he's charismatic, he's savvy, he's got drip with that yellow cravat. Moruth does nothing wrong. #DooleForChancellor

[@frantictoast3741]

The point is that a majority of her story after teaming up with Luke and Co revolves around her being a part of the Skywalker clan. A lot of her emotional moments wouldn't be emotional if she wasn't Luke's wife or Ben's mother.

[@larry-three8225]

If one wanted Mara and Luke to be together in Canon, I believe 15 ABY to about 27 ABY would be a good window... Maybe.

[@Kataquan]

Not to mention reducing women characters to their romantic relationships is pretty sexist.

[@CoreysDatapad]

What "leftist weirdos" are you talking about?

[@CoreysDatapad]

I mean, you'd probably call me a leftist weirdo, and the people who left the comments I cited in the video (and many of the ones I did not) are very much not leftists. If you're taking their side and claiming I'm the one attacking "actual fans" then I don't know what reality you're living in.

[@Kataquan]

@Brock Samson you might want to get that victim complex checked out, bro. I promise you that the people discussing Star Wars lore online that don't agree with you are just fellow fans that disagree with you, and not people pretending to like Star Wars so they can steal your skin or whatever.

[@ObligedUniform]

​@@BlackIce3190 impressive. Every word you just said was wrong. 🤨

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Either way, "Satellite Love Interest" is a trope that needs to die off.

[@quadcannon]

As an old-EU/Legends die hard fan, I can understand why there are 'absolutists' among that group which would want the character to remain as true to the original as possible. Likewise, I am a reasonable adult who understands that characters are not and should not be one-dimensional. I'd like to see Mara brought into the new canon, but I think having her involved with Luke, at all, would lessen her character at this point. Having her simply be a skilled, James Bond-esque badass who may or may not be force sensitive would be just as good to me as anything else. But her status as Luke wife should not define her, ever.

[@DMBLaan]

As much as I complain that all the good parts of the current Canon Univers is just ripped off of Legends characters and stories, it's more because of the modern fans who never, willingly so sometimes, looked at the old Legends U. But, that said, I don't think Mara should be put in Canon as she was in Legends. A character based on her I'd be all for. But even without the Luke connection, there's too much of her story that's been gutted by Canon to have her work as she was.

[@enisra_bowman]

or maaaybe is has something to do with the constant whining the all new Ideas are Crap and they want the old stuff back, but since it's Star Wars with a "Fanbase" that's more toxic than american Food and Water: If they make something new it's wrong and if they bring something old back it's also wrong

[@jthomas76]

Warning the fallowing comment has been made by a fan of legends material if you are a fan of the current cannon material that is good and I am not attacking you or what you like please don’t take it that way. Her story is strongly tied to Luke as he was the principal factor in her leaving the dark side and evolving as a person. In the current “cannon” the only person who could do that now is Ashoka and if they were to do that it would be yet another way they would be assassinating Luke’s character by destroying not only his mentorship toward her but as well as further destroying a key moment between the two when in the last command he was willing to turn himself over to a dark Jedi to save not just his sister and best friend but the woman who had vowed to kill him. That was the moment she realized that Luke wasn’t a monster who destroyed her master in cold blood he was a good man fighting to protect everyone including her and that led to her realizing that she was a person who could control her own destiny and not just a weapon to be commanded which is how the emperor saw her. So you can slap the name of Mara Jade on to some actor just like they’ve done with Thrawn and Grevious but it won’t be them because it’s hallow. The best example of what I’m talking about is Grevious when he first appeared in the micro series they established him as a true threat by devastating a group of Jedi in a matter of minutes then in his fallowing appearance he pops out 4 arms just to add more intimidation. The animated series came out and they dropped his I.Q. and almost every time he goes up against Obi-Wan or another main character he’s gets a limb chopped off. They should have used him sparingly, slowly building up his threat as time goes on.

[@kevinvassago]

Tbh theres room for her in canon to even be Luke's wife. It never specifically says Luke never married, and even though she wasnt spoken about in the last jedi, i doubt hed talk about her to Rey anyways. Mara could have died at the Jedi Temple like the rest of Luke's students when the temple was set on fire. Infact, the thought of Luke's wife burning to death would probably be a very valid reason for him to never speak of her again. It would also help add more context to why Luke exiled himself

[@HenryLouis21]

I never liked the idea of having Mara die at the temple, because it just seems like people just want to fridge her to further the story of a male character which is not something I want to see out of Mara's story.

[@Invalidcookie-bv4cx]

I bet Omega from Bad Batch ends up being the "Mara" Adaption.

[@analoghabits9217]

their relationship was more about helping each other find their identities, romance is just what they chose to do with those identities. i don't think disney's version of luke could offer her anything to help her find her identity.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Some of Mara's pre-Luke stories were interesting, but I generally liked her best in thr flirting and wife phases.

[@markthompson1400]

Really good episode 👍 and appreciated you sharing about your own loss; added a depth to it . Thanks Corey

[@seanwade2218]

Also take Into account that the original intent was to have Luke be unmarried. Doesn’t mean that can’t change. You can easily pull an Ahsoka with Mara. Easy. In fact if their is one character that could add texture to those sequels it’s her.

[@the_only_lonely]

Why do we know that luke doesn’t get married, it would make sense for him in new canon, maybe he was so broken not only bc his order got destroyed, but maybe too bc kylo killed her.

[@WarWolf111]

Or have Mara Jade be an inquisitor as well.

[@sandorsbox]

We DON'T know that Luke doesn't get married, though. We know he wasn't married during (ugh) The Last Jedi.

[@kjhuang]

The most outrageous part of all this is how you pronounce MARA! 😆 But really, I always thought it was pronounced MARR-uh, with the first syllable rhyming with "far". Is there a confirmed pronunciation out there?

[@Bayofthe91st]

This is Disney we're talking about, I rather seeing her never adopted into today's canon than see a memorable Legend female character get butchered by "modern" writing, not to mention their alergic toward red hairs .

[@alicesaxon601]

Basically i no longer want legends characters adapted by Disney because they will just fuck it up. If they could adapt the characters faithfully and with respect id be all for it but nope. Disney canon sucks, no need to drag our beloved characters from legends through that

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

Where’s that ThrawnProstate guy and his crowd when you need him, we could play the two groups off each other

[@urktheturtle2988]

I think its better if Mara and Luke dont get married, but still deeply love each other, and had a child together...

[@Empty00Eyes]

assuming the Disney Canon is relevant is what's laughable.

[@matthewfriedewald8551]

"your mileage may vary" hahahahahaha well done brother. safe journey

[@randallflagg1180]

Luke and Mara getting married isn't the only thing to her character, but it is a key pillar of Mara's character. You take that away; you still have a character, but not Mara Jade. Corey focuses too much on the "married" aspect and on Mara's influence on Luke's character but doesn't put enough focus on how Luke influences and molds Mara's character; because Luke does very much influence Mara's character. The final stage of Mara's character is because of her and Luke's bond. They grow together as characters.

[@atiredfloridian777]

You're right, like I read Thrawn's trilogy and she wasn't 'just' Luke's wife. She hated him for over half the books and like reducing a character to who they marry is just super sexist. Thank you for saying that Mara is more than just her marriage.

[@noname-xx5uj]

Im not interested watching disney ruin anymore of my childhood heros, hard pass

[@i-thalhawkins9813]

Luke Skywalker ghost wife 🔥 she would Be interesting to follow A crazy man’s ghost family of force wilder !?

[@huntclanhunt9697]

More reason that Legends is better than Canon.

[@davidalan528]

0:36 you damn skippy. Retconned as never darkside or not your ass’d be force-choked before you finished talking. Just a little choke, though. A love-choke.

[@lynngreen7978]

Without her story, it is not the same character. It is a proper noun. Like all the other proper nouns they taken, but aren't using respectfully to their source.

[@troo_6656]

Don't care. Disney nuked the expanded universe and they should bare the concequences of it. Don't bring Mara back for the same reason nothing out of "legends" should be brought back. To stop the slander of good stories and characters, by greesy disney fingers.

[@kevinvassago]

Were those responses from twitter or the maw installation? Both i love, but can be incredibly toxic af😂 Sorry about your mom corey😕 My mother pased away from cancer too when i was younger

[@e.corellius4495]

god i hope they stay far far away, like in another galaxy. Disney would turn her into carboard mush with no personality. disney has never cared or understood star wars from day one. they chose to throw out the EU, so they should stay away from it. they already made thrawn an incompetent commander, they dont need to ruin mara too.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Disney didn't make anything, it's Filoni who keeps butchering EU stories for his personal fanfiction. He's like a typical casual fan who has only heard how cool EU is, and thinks adding that to his stories making him cool by association.

[@dkveen]

They just need to approve legends content to be made in film. that's all we want. Keep cannon separate, give the fans what they want Disney

[@seekertwo1]

Good video. There's an easier way to handle all this.....SW should just dump all the post-Jakku "canon" and start over with the EU that they never should have dumped in the first place.... ....except for THE MANDALORIAN. That's worth keeping.

[@ArcBing]

Definitely agree with you Corey, great job explaining your viewpoint as well. I hope that helped bring people to understand your statements better, or at least make the internet a little wiser and less angry 🙂

[@demonicaxeman7264]

It could be possible that Disney wants to avoid bringing Mar Jade into canon is because Mara Jade is a beautiful and well-written character, unlike Rey and Reva.

[@TheYargonaut]

Ah, but as a Ginger she is a prime candidate for dyslexic diversity casting

[@LibertyLocalizer]

A Mara Jade story without Luke isn't a Mara Jade story. You might as well make An Isolder movie without Leia

[@chriswilder9719]

You do know she has a very interesting life before Luke right? She was the emperor's apprentice and was actually told to kill Luke not to marry him. She deserves her own show. Hell they gave andor one off of a bad line and she is way more interesting than him

[@LibertyLocalizer]

@@chriswilder9719 it's really not that interesting, it's also ignoring the core of the character

[@chriswilder9719]

@@LibertyLocalizer which is? The core of her character isn't being Luke's wife. She is a smuggler, sith apprentice, Jedi, fighter pilot among many other things. Being his wife didn't define her it simply became another thing in her already long list

[@conradojavier7547]

I bet Mara will hook up with some dude named "Jake" in front of Luke, & their kids is named Jaina, & Jacen to add Red Salt in the Wound.