Correct BALL POSITION with Every Club

[@jcstreck74]

Would have loved to have a camera directly in front of Matt to see exactly where in his stance each ball was.

[@DJfookid]

You guys getting into instructional topics is game over for every other golf channel

[@MrWildcorndog]

Ian is such a leader. He impresses me every video with his passion and articulation.

[@stephenadams6959]

Another great informative video to help understand the impact of the ball position. What I would have really loved to see was exactly where in the stance "Forward", "Neutral" and "Back" was for each club and what the ideal position in the stance is for each club. Kepp up the great work guys. Love this channel!

[@wallstreetoneil]

A 2nd set of eyes, especially early in the season, on your setup is extremely helpful. I have made a lot of comments to fellow golfers on the range when they have asked for help where I have commented on all of their alignments, shoulders, hips, and very often their spine angle (which is often leaning forward when they think it is backwards). When your alignments go haywire, it then leads to the chain of events of ball position being wrong, which leads to path being wrong, which leads to your brain / hands trying to fix everything at the last minute when the ball flight is not giving you what you expect. This video is a perfect reminder, before the season begins, that the best fit clubs and shafts will not help you in the slightest if your swing is reacting to improper ball positions which often comes from improper alignements - i.e. knowing where Square / perpendiculars are to the target. Pros practice with alignment sticks for a reason.

[@edwindude9893]

I have watched this Chanel twice. And I’ve tried the grip size (I have size 10 hands) and moved to mid grips and started moving my stance to suit the club etc and understanding that. So I’ve made my clubs work for me. When the shop was trying to sell me different clubs. I’m not a fool. But I owe this Gentleman for sure. Mr Ian Fraser. If you work in the UK or have a service here I’ll use it. I’ve a lower back injury from service in the military and watched the videos for tips to help my golf (to hit straight 🤣) because I’ve been advised to mobilise my sacroiliac and sacrum.

[@SkyboxerGolf]

When I started putting my mid irons in center and wedges a ball back It completely transformed my game. :) Long irons are 1 ball forward for me.

[@dougmael]

Thank you for this video, guys! I have a perfect example of what ball position will do, particularly on a windy day, from just four days ago. I normally play the ball too far forward in my stance with my irons and hybrids/fairway wood. Because winds were a steady 20 MPH or more on Monday, with gusts of 30 MPH, I was very conscious of getting the ball back into the middle of my stance, and I did this whether I was hitting downwind or into the wind (more so into the wind). I have NEVER (and I actually mean never) hit my irons better, hitting tee shots on all four par-3s within 11 feet of the pin (three within 7 feet) and my left-to-right dispersion was even tighter. My approach shots on the par-4 holes was just about as good, with a couple of shots within 3’, which I knocked in for birdies. Normally, I struggle with hitting the ball too high and often short with my irons due to the ball being too far forward in my stance, so I’m going to continue concentrating on keeping the ball in the middle of my stance with my irons, and just forward of mid-stance with my hybrids and fairway woods - wind or no wind! I also now realize why I hit some excellent 5-wood shots off the deck when hitting downwind, but hit short, ballooning shots into the wind .... ball too far forward again. This may be the best piece of golf advice I have gotten in a long time!!!

[@cathalpenney5131]

Could you make a video about course management and every thing you take into consideration before hitting a shot. Love the channel by the way

[@craignelson5689]

Another great one! Really like how you guys are coming back around to the "basics" concepts with full detail and excellent illustrations. The one thing I wish you guys could've included would be actual dead face-on views of Matt's alignment for each of these as a reference point. As you guys discussed at the end, I'm terrible at judging my ball position and always have it further back than I think I do, which doesn't help my already I>O swing path. Could be interesting to see how/if ball position matters for short game as well. Keep up the great content!!

[@garethhill5166]

I'm a UK 5HC. I was such a middle of the stance hitter. 'keep it all the same for consistency' I thought. Had a driving lesson one day last year and he MADE ME hit of the left heel. Unlocked so much freedom in my swing never mind better results (in time) . Matty just illustrates this here. Great non club fitting video.

[@jaredvotaw8610]

Officially the unofficial best golf channel on KZbin 👍👍👍

[@hudsonr.743]

One of the best golf channels out there. So scientific. One of you must be an engineer by trade

[@jcstilwell]

Very helpful video on the impact of ball position. One issue, you didn't show us the ball position in his stance. Just "front of normal" which isn't helpful if we don't have a reference point for normal.

[@robertcourt8593]

It's relative to the individual.

[@notmenotme614]

@@brianranwick1 That is like saying “We have an instructional video on how to do something.... but to find out how. Look elsewhere”

[@wylie102]

H Not really, because if you look "back" for the 3 and the driver were still forward of middle. You are just further validating Chad's point.

[@wylie102]

H Bye

[@jeandupont8501]

@@method341 Congrats on behaving like a twat.

[@agentoranje3713]

This is probably the best ball position video I've seen. Thank you. Subscribed.

[@kmeekins4168]

As someone that struggled ROYALLY with a slice for years I found moving the ball forward in the stance helped a lot which is a bit contradictory to the video. I felt it gave me more time to get the club face square or even a little closed.

[@quakecon2009]

Everyone is different, too many people think there is only one way to play golf, but everyone has different bodies and abilities, if you understand the golf swing you can fix a problem very easily by just doing one simple thing, the problem is, most people do not and just practice and recycle the same thing over and over. Sometimes they get lucky and that re-affirms the belief the setup they have works and they just need to get better. But their setup is probably increasing the chances of failure and a bad shit, so they just randomise between good, ok, and garbage, which most of it between ok and garbage - hence weekend golfers. Many golf tutors have an interest in not teaching their students too much, its in their interest to keep the student as ignorant as possible because that's how they make their money.

[@joshgreen19]

You guys are doing lessons/instructional videos now? Every other golf teacher is in trouble... Thanks again guys. One day I am going to travel all the way to Canada to get fit!

[@chrisfreitag2603]

Valuable tips, tricks and lesson fromTXG University The Professor is in. Well done TXG.

[@dalyjernigan1211]

Wish you would show us the ball position relative to the feet

[@FlyboyAF22]

You'll be much more consistent if you line up to the ball referencing your chest center line 🙌

[@xxthadeucexx]

Ball position relative to feet doesn't allow for the the most consistent contact without compensations. The low point remains constant when referencing your chest center line.

[@ericmaher2316]

The point you made having it too far forward has a tendency to slice with high loft. I complete relate. Without trying to teach you guys are scrutinising the mechanics of the swing. Makes so much more sense to me with these instant facts.

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

Plus Matty is a seriously talented golfer for videos like this, he's the perfect specimen to display what each thing does he's incredibly consistent. He hit 94 out of 94 greens when they were trying to do that "hole out" challenge. That's absurd.

[@Dynamic3DLtd]

You guys have been killing it with content lately, its almost as if I think of things I want to see and you guys just end up doing it without any provocation. Keep up the great work.

[@MikesaBhoy]

This really blows up the teaching of putting the ball quite far forward in your stance in order to hit "up" on the driver. So good guys - IMO much better than the club testing (spoiler, they're all good - go get fit for the right one for you). Thanks for this.

[@johnmayer4746]

Fantastic Graphics! Another well produced video with tons of info

[@joshdrummond1109]

Absolutely love this content guys, it’s so easy to lose these foundational pieces over time, or hear variations that confuse people like me. Love these basics.

[@TZOID08]

This reminded me to check my ball position. I have a tendency to get the ball up in my stance and I start taking tiny divots and the contact is low on the face. Fantastic video !!!

[@banditbaker1675]

Thanks Guys, that was fascinating. As someone who habitually hits shots with the ball positioned too far forward, it will hopefully remind me to move the ball back in my stance!

[@mattsheehan5033]

The graphics that are being added are so good! Great video!

[@paulmangat9884]

A truly excellent analysis gents so thank you. Ball position critical for me - dominant left eye so tendency to position the ball further forward than I think it is ...

[@petehedrick1723]

When you say neutral ball position, is the middle of the stance or relative to the club your hitting? Especially with 3 wood and driver.

[@shaner21]

It's amazing how Matt still maintains a positive attack angle when he tees it up in the back of his stance. Most guys struggle to get that number above zero teeing it up outside their front foot lol

[@josephlandrum9269]

Thank you for your content. I learn so much from your videos. I have been struggling with my ball position as well as more consistent swings. After several injuries, your videos help me think about what to focus on at the range. Thank you. Please keep up the great work. I would like to see a comparison video between the straight to consumer clubs . Like the Sub 70, New Level, and Haywood blades and hollow backs. Thank you.

[@joshheiden7269]

well done guys! love the graphics to compliment your explanations... very helpful! Thanks!

[@mattw36]

Amazing. I have been struggling with hitting hybrids off the fairway (when my driver makes it there 😬) with my miss usually being a top or a stinger 10 feet off the ground. My overall miss is a push right so I'm hesitant to place the ball towards the middle. Forced myself to put the ball further back and WOW! Game changer. Thank you gentlemen.

[@brentninedorf6617]

Helped to understand the why. I trial and errored ball position today since it was windy after a half day of work. I got to where I was hitting fairway woods and my longest hybrid off the deck real solid for me and not getting eaten up by the wind. For me, I had to put the ball back in my stance (relative to my “normal”). Kinda wish I watched the video before going out to shorten the process. Nice to hear the explanation though to reinforce my hunch.

[@lovepeacewar32]

Best golf channel on KZbin! Thanks again for the great video gents 👊😁

[@scottyt8022]

Love this series of videos. Could you show a video with what Matt said about positioning using alignment to show each shot difference. For me the visual is key to show how different.

[@nickmarr1]

Love these instructional videos, gents. Explained wonderfully by Mr Fraser and executed marvellously by Mr Blois. 👍🏻⛳️

[@davidcullen3578]

Great work again guys. Everybody considers this basic but its so important! While we are all still at home in lockdown can you reach out to Foresight Sports and ask about a consumer product from them or why not sell 100,000 units of GCQuad at $5000 as opposed to 10,000 units at $12,000 to $20,000. Flightscope Mevo + sales will show how keen the consumer market is. Thanks as always

[@gkviera]

Great information as always! Can you guys show how ball position affects club delivery when the ball is too close or too far away from the body? Thanks!

[@drroger98]

I’m amazed how slight the change of ball position makes big difference. Will need to err more forward with my driver to avoid the knuckling duck hook

[@halfsumo12345]

Great info. Part 2 video would be great on ball position for how far away to stand from the ball. I find the longer the club, I start standing too far from the ball and the only path for the club to go is way inside on the takeaway. I forgot which pro said it, but he said something like almost all amateurs should stand closer to the ball.

[@K4rN1v00L]

imagine getting a fitting here.. mayb in my dreams

[@tweedl347]

That’s my goal. These guys are on a whole new level when it comes to helping the community

[@paulmedic6213]

Loving the new information on the last 2 videos ...... a HUGE thumbs up gentlemen 👍

[@rogrog099]

Love this series and the graphics, short to the point.

[@vincentdarby1080]

short to the point? what are you watching?

[@InWitheNew]

Short and to the point is something TGX regularly acknowledges that they are not lol. Love the channel but that's the most bass ackwards way to describe it.

[@brandongattelli1590]

Great video. Very helpful. Could you guys do a video on stance width and how it can affect aoa and club path etc etc

[@Mitch3515]

Another excellent video with some great information! Have you seen players utilize ball position to achieve the desired shot shape? i.e. pushing the ball back in the stance to hit more of a draw or up in the stance to hit a fade. Stay Safe!

[@clubchampionmedia]

absolutely!

[@kacolorado]

This is an awesome thing to try on the range and tee box where you have a flat lie. Especially when you start factoring wind, or needing specific ball flights, correct ball position is key. The only caveat I'll add is lie on a less-than-flat- surface. As an example, it is EXTREMELY difficult to have a ball forward position if you have a a downhill lie (you front foot lower than you back foot). More often than not, you'll hit this shot thick. It's also why an uphill lie (ball above your feet) is considered a draw lie -- it's very difficult to get over the top on this lie, because it's likely going to hit the ground before the ball. I know you guys can't illustrate this right now, but it's an important thing for golfers trying to lower their scores to know. Maybe ball position in relation to ball lie could be a future video?

[@Ken-wc7po]

Awesome video.. one of my favorite,s.. I just started fixing my game glad u two confirmed my theories.. A+

[@sbrodie08]

Should all your clubs in your bag have the same flex or can they be different?. love your videos !!

[@sushi_plays6661]

As others have said great video, but a follow up to identify the correct position would be awesome (I always thought I had the ball back, but it sounds like I have it too forward). Also do you adjust hand position based on ball position?

[@edipocarvalho100]

One of my favorite videos you guys have done awesome simple game changing round saving stuff love it

[@GSHOCKOUTDOORS]

Freaky that Matt can pull off shots like that but it was super helpful. Amazing to see the 7i as an 8i, which is something I struggle with I just don't get the most from my irons. I'm leaving yards out there I know it. My takeaway is that neutral to further back is the way to go for 7i. It'll take more than a bucket of balls to groove that swing change in I'm sure.

[@williaki37]

I've been hitting it fat lately. I wondered if my grip size, swing path, stance distance or this. Thanks for helping me eliminate one issue.

[@benross422]

Great video as always. Takes murky topics like Face to Path, AoA and ties it to real world cause and effect. Ian would make a brilliant coach.

[@dannypratt.]

Love this stuff! Does anyone have an opinion on the difference between a range finder and GPS watch?? pros and cons?

[@JoppersPC]

I spent about a year trying to work out ball position with my fairway wood off the deck, went for a lesson with my coach about it as I kept topping it no matter what I did, after trying a few things he notice when it comes to woods I’m more of a “sweeper” compared to my irons so pushed the ball position forward and bang, I nail it every single time off the deck now. Hitting my wood off the floor is my favourite part now compared to a couple months ago I wouldn’t go for a wood in to a green and would just hit 2 130 yard shots instead. Funny how we do things different without even realising when it comes to the golf swing.

[@BOWENSblog]

It definitely makes a difference. Good for versatility in most conditions

[@danielwinterbottom5531]

Love this i had issue with massive in to out flipping with irons now my lessons taught be to be further back more ball flight control no im definitely more push draw its just taking more getting used to with irons flatter i dont have to aim right anymore

[@danielwinterbottom5531]

And i think with driver i need to be further forward but with slightly lower tee

[@chrishartman5383]

The added graphics showing the swing path are a tremendous help. Thanks again for all the great content.

[@jacobmccain8082]

This is really interesting. I tend to play the ball middle to back in my stance and always struggle with low launch. Should I consider moving the ball up some or perhaps go back to a traditional loft? Current 7i is at 32* but in testing I get higher flight, more spin, and similar distance with a 34* 7i.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Yes try playing around with ball position more forward

[@wally6193]

the 7i should be 34 or 35* and should be about 1 ball left of center, imo.

[@cryptoking8060]

Interestingly, anyway who watches or has read George Knudson's awesome swing teaching, his ball position remains the same relative to the FRONT FOOT and simply moves his back foot away from the ball based on club length. Ingenious and amazingly consistent. Guess what I'm saying is find the optimal ball position relative to your front foot, that produces optimal numbers, then move your back foot away from the ball based on length of shaft. It really is simple and effective as the ball position itself never changes relative to the front foot. George demonstrates it in his swing perfectly. Obviously better players can manipulate this more but for 90+% of golfers George's approach is solid.

[@samme6010]

Can you clarifying the ball position definition? Middle - middle of your stance or middle relative to what club you are using before?

[@edlloyd976]

Super clip lads, just a few wee questions. With the driver, forward ball position meaning opposite left toe? Mid ball position meaning mid stance? And back ball position meaning midway between mid stance and right heel? The same goes for the fairway wood and 6 iron.....asking for a friend!

[@Poppateej]

some of the best videos on the internet

[@jdmferio08]

Was waiting for this video!!! Thank you guys keep up the awesome work. Love the show

[@TDAlan]

Jack N. teaches placing the ball in the same place for all clubs just behind the leading foot while adjusting the stance wider for longer clubs. Your thoughts please.

[@jakeroberts1285]

Your channel is amazing, so glad I found it.

[@widamo59]

Ball position will also effect grip position, alignment, motion. You guys should do an iron test with shaft weight and it's effect one the swing. Lighter isn't necessarily better? I've fitting for over 25 years. Every fit never ceases to amaze me. Equipment effects swing motion.

[@pateljn77]

Thank you, you have helped my game so much!

[@jeffgrove1862]

Brilliant ,change of ball position gives much better options .

[@duane05]

Nice work again! If a person comes in for a fitting and has one of the ball position issues you identified, do you change and fit or fit as they are knowing they could possibly return to that old position?

[@richardwinczewski3264]

Great video to start the weekend Thanks again Ian and Matt ⛳️👍⛳️

[@nicklaus4512]

I always end up back at this video when my game is off, and almost always I’ve formed a bad habit around ball position. So much to remember and focus on in golf, it’s easy to lose track of the fundamental basics.

[@jeffreylondongolf3448]

Wow so amazing to see the data behind the ball

[@jerdo402]

Once again fantastic info. Thanks for sharing........off to the range.

[@stuartholmes6262]

Great video guys, loved the editing in of the animations showing path and angles. Thankyou.

[@James-th8tu]

It will be nice to see something on tee height /ball positions for iron shots. Sometimes I would tee the ball higher to take off some distance when clubbing up versus chokong down. Your thoughts?

[@Rich--J]

Hi, would the ball placement for a DHY be around the hybrid position (shirt logo) or a little more forward like a three wood? Thanks and really enjoy your videos!

[@MapleS2324]

great video guys. Im currently struggling with tee position on driver

[@awp7662]

Fascinating stuff as always guys love your work! Would you say ball position is the best way of managing/changing ball flight and shape?

[@codyreeder1837]

Well done, what are you working on in your swing? It is looking very different and kinda strange..

[@alexpelaez2295]

Hey guys absolutely love the content you guys put out on each post. Question though, as you change the ball position forward, neutral and back would you suggest the height of the tee change as well?

[@davemarshall2756]

be working on this in Mulligan Gardens for the next few weeks.

[@robertmurphy239]

Great video men, like always!

[@jsuszynski]

Always putting out great content. Keep it up

[@golfbulldog]

Ball position between clubs has 2 classic variations, stable feet width and move ball back in stance for shorter irons ( eg. SNEAD) OR ball off left foot for all clubs but move the position of your right foot (wider stance for longer clubs) (eg. HOGAN). Ball position is relative to low point of swing (around about left nipple/shoulder) and not to feet is the key message.

[@son21387]

Please do a video on influence of golf lead tape ? Does it make a difference especially on woods / drivers

[@niradshah2951]

Very informative - thanks Where are you based ? What is Matt’s handicap?

[@fernandocampos2145]

Wow! Ball position does make a big difference on your ball flight and distance! I am a 12 handicap and my struggle is a a slice at times! I guess moving the ball back a few inches would definitely help. Correct?

[@ThomasPlaysGolf]

Great video, please more like this. Would a spinnier ball have much affect on these results?

[@ThomasPlaysGolf]

@txg any thoughts?

[@Roon3y]

Love all these technical tests. If I had a launch monitor to hand then I would be all over this kind of stuff! Any tempo related tests coming up? I've been hearing a lot about how 99% of tour pros have a tempo of 3:1. Would love to know if this has any true meaning

[@rolandburrows4859]

Interesting and thank you. How does this compare to the way Jack and Tiger who both “supposedly” play every club from the same ball position but vary width of stance?

[@kourt2469]

Would love to somehow see a test with different slope lies. For example hitting off an uphill slope and downhill slope. So you club down on an upslope do you club up on a downslope? What does the slope do to launch and spin etc.

[@backrooms_3am]

Great info as usual gents. Thanks fellas gonna use this info next time out on the course!

[@cwkimenhour8073]

I love the graphics!

[@lucasluisluescher5746]

Such a good Video and very easy to understand! Would be great if you could do a similar video with draw and fade! Great stuff guys

[@MrBBHHBBHH]

Brilliant video guys!!!

[@rufussthoo4083]

Before watching past the fist shot a question came to mind. Just thinking out loud. What compensations, subconscious or otherwise, might a golfer make to adjust for the changed ball position? For example, if a player moves the ball back to catch the ball with a more -ve AoA, might they subconsciously 'hang back' because they feel the ball is behind them? What are the likely outcomes of such compensations?

[@TheOgieone]

Okay i rarely criticise any of your videos but i felt this video could be longer. I'm sure it's just the right length for maximum views but i seemed rushed. Great info as always...would just like more of it. Also the illustrations are fantastic!

[@ianfrasergolf]

Very fair point. Appreciate the support!! 👍🏻

[@Jaijay35]

Great video guys fantastic explanation. Who is the Dirty Dog by the way? Ha Ha left hand side top of the screen.