Corrupted Sony FX6 - Update

[@Isak_friberg]

These types of videos you're doing are soooo valuable. It's not the sexiest topics, and clickbait ones. But I love it, and it feels like I'm experiencing the issue you're facing, and learning among the way. Learning as a collective. Found your channel in September, and I'm learning more here than traditional school. Easily!

[@davidmorefield]

@@Isak_friberg I’m happy to share! I took film classes as well so I can empathize with your sentiment!

[@avx111]

Out of all the brands involved, I would rank Angelbird as the least reputable. Tilta is everywhere in high budget commercial shoots, from the Hydra car rig, Ronin support systems and of course the Nucleus family of devices being used on Arris for years now. My money is on the cards.

[@AlbertoMendoza]

Agreed. There’s a reason why they discontinued the 1tb cf cards

[@davidmorefield]

@@avx111 You should take a look at a red forum. That entire user base has denounced Tilta electronics.

[@wulfenbearmedia]

We've had both of these problems this past year. Anglebird cards and Tilta V-Mount Universal Battery Plate. From what I can tell your media issue is probably the cards and has nothing to do with the battery plate. We purchased those same cards earlier this year and had errors on the first shoot. Returned them immediately after that shoot and after finding on multiple forums and sites that others had issues with them as well. Like someone already said, those cards have been discontinued, and for good reason. Now in regards to your battery plate, just like you, we've had perfect usage for the past two years... up until two months ago when one of the boards of the battery plates fried up on me and started smoking during a shoot. Thing is though the camera was absolutely fine. We use BMPCC6k's which are generally alot cheaper in build quality then a Sony so I would be surprised if your Sony has less tolerance than my Blackmagic in handling a sudden power change and not just stopping recording or shutting off if something like sudden power delivery change occurred. I forget from the video but do you keep a Sony battery plugged in as well as having it hooked up to the battery plate? Or do you have it running off a dummy battery that also connects to the plate? I would only presume that the battery plate is at fault if you are only powering the camera off of that without any other battery plugged in. Which if that is the case I would advise for you to start using a regular sony battery in conjuction with a battery plate as a redunancy in case the plate does actually fail.

[@davidmorefield]

@@wulfenbearmedia Correct, only vmount power through Tilta plate. New cards will be ordered as soon as BH opens.

[@garrettgoerlvisuals]

It doesn't matter if tilta is everywhere in high budget shoots, they are hot chinese trash. They are known for bricking cameras with their power plates specifically for RED cameras. A lot of people I know in the youtube space dislike Tilta but no one cares to talk about it because they don't to be blacklisted from receiving products.

[@BryceDearden]

Well two immediate workflow issues that I notice (assuming I understand correctly). 1: You said a couple times your format the card and then you put it in the camera. The cards should be formatted in camera every time. Even if they are empty and have been cleared on a computer you need to let the camera format them. If you frequently forget you can use a tool like Parashoot when you’re offloading to prompt the camera to format when you insert it. 2. Actually shooting out a whole card. In the computer and IT world, it’s considered a very poor practice to ever let your storage media fill up completely. The guideline used to be 80% capacity but people push that closer to 90/95% now. I try to never completely fill up camera media. Obviously things happen but avoid it as much as you can. Have you had those cards since you got your FX6? Or even before? They do have a use life after which they should be retired. The other disadvantage of smaller SD cards (64GB) is they wear out faster. I like ProGrade because you can use their software to look at how many writes the cards have had and how healthy they are overall. But I think you said you have 3x 128GB and 1x64GB? If that’s all the media you’ve had while using your FX6 (especially if it’s ever further back since your C70) I think you’re definitely due for a replacement.

[@jhjdp]

I would also highly recommend dual recording any client project to help avoid any scenarios like this in the future.

[@davidmorefield]

@@BryceDearden 1. Yes, I may have misspoke in the video but the cards are always formatted in camera. 2. I am adopting this practice moving forward to switch media before reaching capacity. Additionally, many people have suggested turning off the camera before switching media. Yes, these cards are from my c70 days, over two years ago. That could very well be the end of their life. Either way, I won’t be using them further.

[@SolisCreative]

Used 2 FX6s over 2 years fully tilta rigged, sigma and cine lenses, media was mix between prograde and Sony OEM CF express cards, never had that error luckily! Used to use angel bird bSSDs and CF but in BMPCC6k, best of luck man!

[@davidmorefield]

@@SolisCreative thanks. I think I’m done with AB media.

[@cornellcollins8167]

Thanks for updating us on this issue. As we talked about on IG, I hope it’s only a media issue and not a problem with the Tilta power supply.

[@davidmorefield]

@@cornellcollins8167 I hope so too. I really value the I/o of a vmount setup

[@kevin-haggerty]

As always this is super helpful. Documenting it helps all of us. Being someone who has had a card failure and had to do a reshoot I get this one.

[@TyTheCamGuy]

I'm excited to see unequivocally what the issue is. eyes are glued to the channel for updates.

[@davidmorefield]

@@TyTheCamGuy You and me both!

[@YourStoryStudios]

Very interesting to hear how you're problem solving this situation! Looking forward to hearing how it all resolves.

[@davidmorefield]

@@YourStoryStudios hopefully it’s not a crazy price tag. My buddy just got his I give for the same error and it’s not cheap! Has me thinking about different systems.

[@GeorgeGuillory]

Thanks for sharing! I never used Angelbird. I have a variety of Samsung, Sandisk, and Lexar cards that I haven't had any issues with in 5+ years. It's probably already in your workflow, but I also dual record to both cards simultaneously to have that backup. When I buy cards, i buy them in pairs because I know that's how I will use them.

[@davidmorefield]

@@GeorgeGuillory dual recording will be adopted moving forward.

[@QWSfilms]

i have been using the same 2 Angelbird cfast cards for over 3 years in my BMPCC6kpro and never had an issue. In my experience sd cards are rarely reliable and quit for no reason whatsoever. They are so heavily mass produced that I have to figure the manufacturing process isn't of the highest quality. I feel for you man, it's never easy to send your baby off for repair. Praying for a quick turnaround and a minimal fee with some answers and solutions.

[@davidmorefield]

@@QWSfilms My biggest thing is answers!

[@JadenPond]

These videos are super helpful. I’m looking to move to a v mount power supply and to upgrade my sd cards soon. Sorry it had to happen to you, but we’re all learning from it! Thanks!

[@davidmorefield]

@@JadenPond I’m happy to share my experience. It helps everyone get more data.

[@AlturaMediaProductions]

This SCARES me!!! I use Tilta Gold Mount Power Pass Trough Plate on my RS2 and RS4, I power my camera with a Kondor Blue dummy battery. Haven't had any issues...... so far. Keep us posted!

[@davidmorefield]

@@AlturaMediaProductions You can live vicariously through my pain 😂

[@bojanbrbora6453]

A friend had a similar corruption issue on a long interview running the camera on mains power with non Sony v90 SD cards. I think the power port is probably sensitive to voltage fluctuations, especially if you power camera and monitor/accessories from the same v lock, which in turn screws up the board processing temporarily. I'm sure that media with cheaper components, less buffer etc only adds to the issue. He kept the media but started doing all long interviews on large BPU batteries and the problem never happened again. My guess is it's 2/3 power 1/3 bad media . So both.

[@davidmorefield]

@@bojanbrbora6453 that sounds completely feasible that the problem was influenced by multiple sources.

[@LensofWyant]

The B cam scratch came in clutch!

[@davidmorefield]

@@LensofWyant it really did.

[@micstro99]

Thanks David for sharing this information it makes nervous! Pick up a FX30 as your backup until you fill confident that it works properly when you get it back. Im about to order some media today and it looks like I may spend the extra for the Tough cards just in case.

[@davidmorefield]

@@micstro99 i have an a7s3 already as B cam. I waited too long and the Sony cards are not discounted anymore. It’s going to be a really expensive purchase now.

[@danielkutcher]

Hi all. Great videos David. Just adding my similar experience for what it's worth (basically a transcript of what I sent the company from where I bought the FX6 and cards etc.): Camera bought November 2022. All running fine for the a year, many shoots all fine - many shoots filling up the Sony 160GB cards until there is almost no space left. Buy Angelbird 1TB card. Insert Angelbird 1TB and format. Issue with Angelbird 1TB not recording. Stopped recording after filming around 300GB worth of footage. Plenty of space left on card. Now same issue happening with Sony 160GB cards now not recording. Stopped recording after recording around 70GB worth of footage. Noticed file structure on cards is different to usual. Factory reset camera. Same issue then happening with Sony 320GB cards as well. The only one that the issue doesn't happen with now is the Sony 160GB (after factory resetting the camera). FX6 was on firmware V3.00 when this was happening. Have since upgraded to Firmware 5.01 and haven't had that issue with the Sony 160GB or Sony 320GB cards yet. Have not tried using the Angelbird 1TB cards since. So unable to determine if it was coincidence or if it was the Angelbird card that started it all. Note: All accessories used, e.g. batteries are Sony brand. Thanks, and hope someone, somewhere has an an answer as it seems to be happening to quite a few people (another colleague in my circle of freelancers had the same issue - though it happened to him again even after updating to the latest firmware).

[@davidmorefield]

@@danielkutcher thank you for sharing this. It’s really valuable. Glad to hear you haven’t had more of these problems.

[@Justin_Allen]

I just purchased an FX6 and also have a few Red KX cameras, so Tilta never gets a spot in my workflow. I really did not like anything out there for a V-Mount option so I came up with using the Core SWX 98w BPU style battery and then putting 2 Core SWX Powerbase Edge Snap batteries on my rails behind that. The BPU battery only powers the camera and the Edge Snap batteries send power using their new protected USB cables to the BPU, keeping it charged and the rest of the outputs on the edge battery ( another USB and 2 Dtaps ) power everything else on the camera. This protects the power going to the camea and also isolates everything else from the camera and giving extra protection to the SDI grounding issue as well. I have only used it once this way for testing, but everything work. And using the 98wh BPU battery only gives me a good lightweight set-up as well. I also only use the Sony CFExpress cards. I got them when the A7sIII and FX3 cameras came out and was glad to see they also worked in the FX6. IT was a tough purchase at first but now I am glad I did it.

[@anoophothi]

Thanks for the update. Hope it goes well. Think Tiltla hasn’t been bulletproof either if I recall correctly. BUT fyi and imho it’s worthwhile for your scale of productions investing in the Tentacle Track & Sync E for external TC sync’d audio recording and plug into B/C cam. Good luck!

[@davidmorefield]

@@anoophothi that’s a solid route

[@Tommy_Beal]

ooofff tricky. Hoping Sony can help you find some good answers. You definitely want that a camera to be reliable. I like how this interview looks, it’s nice looking through the window behind you!

[@davidmorefield]

@@Tommy_Beal my gf was using the living room for her nail client haha. Had to resort to the bedroom. I like the look too

[@Tommy_Beal]

@@davidmorefield hahaha

[@stheshooter]

Pretty confident its your media cards. I have been using ProGrade cards and I had a very similar issue when using someone else’s card. Never had the issue since

[@davidmorefield]

@@stheshooter what brand and type of cards were they?

[@Supercon57]

Could be worth getting a external recorder I personally try to always shoot with redundancy

[@davidmorefield]

@@Supercon57 that would’ve saved me here.

[@FlingerFilms]

I noticed in your screenshots of the FX6 that the DC In voltage was 19.4 on the non error-ed screen and 19.5 on the screen with the error.. Some quick research indicates the FX6 supports 14.4-19.5v I wonder if the Tilta pushed that max voltage and current.

[@davidmorefield]

@@FlingerFilms It’s possible.

[@micstro99]

This is why I use the bpu battery as a buffer and v-mount via plate. The v-mount keeps the bpu charged I just feel it’s something in the circuitry. But also keep in mind monitor solution changes the voltage a touch.

[@davidmorefield]

@@micstro99 yes powering an external monitor is definitely a variable in the equation. As I said in the most recent video, my colleague had this exact same issue when using a Wooden Camera plate and that allows for a bp battery as well. Sony has my camera now and I’m waiting to hear back from them.

[@JohnnoWaldmann]

From left field. Consider the media formatting method. On Blackmagic forums one of the pieces of advice is to only use the camera to format your media. This advice may also perhaps usefully apply to the Sony. If nothing else it allows the camera system itself to determine the functional space of the drive. And if necessary map out bad blocks/bits according to Sony’s own algorithm.

[@davidmorefield]

@@JohnnoWaldmann My cards are only formatted in camera.

[@MrAndrewClaycomb]

As an alternative guess that you might not have thought about, I wonder if the top handle became loose and shorted something. So after you powered down and restarted, it stopped shorting but the audio connection wasn’t secure which lead to bad audio. After a couple of takes it could have settled and made a secure connection again. It doesn’t seem likely, but that is at least something electronic that controls the camera and also is audio related.

[@davidmorefield]

@@MrAndrewClaycomb camera was on sticks and not touched at all. The only touching was replacing media. I think I can rule that out because as I broke down my camera to ship it away, I had to take off the top handle. I wasn’t able to loosen it with my hands and had to use a hex key to get it off. There wasn’t any play in that connection at all. However, I can’t rule anything out right now.

[@KygenPatriot]

Canon C80 is Calling you.

[@davidmorefield]

@@KygenPatriot Straight to voicemail.

[@piktureperfect]

Definitely probably your SD cards. More specifically because they’re Angelbird. I have their 1tb CF express card and in camera it works perfectly, but every time I plug it in to my computer to dump footage, Finder times out. Weirdest thing ever. Once you go CF Express A, you won't go back. No more broken spines on the back of expensive plastic SD cards, super fast offloads, and peace of mind knowing your card won't break with normal use. I’m all in on ProGrade cards and they work perfectly. I would recommend getting a 4.0 card to future proof yourself.

[@davidmorefield]

@@piktureperfect Media will be updated for sure. I will go oem to reduce vulnerabilities.

[@mediakobo]

I once got a "Battery not supported" error during a shoot. I was using a Sony BP-U 70 battery, one that I had been using for years without issue. Powering down the camera did not solve the problem. Other Sony batteries I had worked just fine. Weeks later I tried using that battery again and it worked fine. No problems since then.

[@davidmorefield]

@@mediakobo Those are the problems that scare me. The ones that have no rhyme or reason.

[@Vitaphone]

I use the smallrig fx6 rig because you can use bp bats and it comes with a power plug to also use vmount. Its the best of both worlds.

[@davidmorefield]

@@Vitaphone Wooden Camera plate does the same. The other user in my video had the same error.

[@Vitaphone]

@@davidmorefield it’s a conundrum, if it is media based in his case but power based in your case than it’s apples and oranges… I’m highly skeptical of error codes… so I would just suggest removing as many variables. I’m highly dubious on Sony repair as they have been frustrating on transparency and even efficacy… forums are filled with nightmare stories. I hope everything works out for your bruv, I’d just suggest removing as many variables moving forward.

[@davidmorefield]

@@Vitaphone Removing variables would be getting Sony cards (which I will purchase this weekend), and resorting to boy batteries. Not thrilled about that as I would need to use the oem lcd or power my externally monitor with its own supply. I hate have multiple types of batteries and chargers.

[@Vitaphone]

@@davidmorefield I feel that, I like the redundancy of using the bp batt and vmount… I used to use a shark fin with two mounts on other rigs as I’ve had some horror stories on sets with batteries crapping out mid shoot… a set full of talent and and producers where less than thrilled. I hate charging BP’s but all the mounts I use now are usbc charging… when possible I use wall power too… I’m neurotic about that kind of stuff.

[@Vitaphone]

P.s. I know guys that use the newer portable electric generators as there power source… so there are levels of redundancy/neuroticism even I don’t go to 😅

[@hot_pixels]

have you metered the power output from the v-mount on a multimeter? that would be the first step.

[@davidmorefield]

@@hot_pixels I do not own one but the fx6 shows a live reading of it.

[@arslanvisuals1140]

Had this same exact isssue with my angel bird card as well

[@davidmorefield]

@@arslanvisuals1140 do you use vmount? If so, which plate?

[@johnnybermudez]

Damn brother that sucks. Hope you get a real solution from Sony and it's just minor and you don't have to come out of pocket much more...

[@davidmorefield]

@@johnnybermudez I’m prepared to cry.

[@jamesandcamera]

I know it sounds basic, but did you check the pins and contacts on the cards and in the card slots for dust/debris/bent pins? (and check card reader for the same) I personally will only use Sony media, have had a bunch of issues when I owned a Lexar card in the past. Never had an issue with 1st party media. I feel for you, its a frustrating situation. Hope it gets sorted and doesnt cost too much.

[@davidmorefield]

@@jamesandcamera no broken pins as far as I can tell. And the rest of the shoot recorded fine. Haven’t been able to recreate the issue.

[@jamesandcamera]

@@davidmorefield even more annoying when the issue is intermittent 😔

[@magmastudioscombr]

I was watching your update series for this problem and suddenly this thought came in: did you recently, before this problem, updated the firmware on your sony fx6? I am saying that because if you worked flawlessly with this setup for 2 years and did not let any rain/water to wet the rig or any electronic parts, maybe a firmware update from sony made all of this problems happening. I have a sony fx3 which I always updated and thank God I did not have any problems, but a lot of people had their sony cameras corrupted after the update or a little later. I am just saying this to try to help diagnose the problem, because it may be sony's fault (firmware/software wise). Wish all the best luck and that everything turns out all right bro!

[@davidmorefield]

@@magmastudioscombr I wish it was that easy. I haven’t updated firmware for over a year and a half.

[@magmastudioscombr]

@@davidmorefield one of the other people that commented in this video said that they were having problems with sony's oem cf express cards after a third party one gave the camera some error. After he updated the firmware of the camera, the OEM cf express cards started working again. Have you tried that out?

[@davidmorefield]

@ sent my camera off before updating firmware

[@Pachiscruz2]

What about the Smallrig battery? Maybe it can be tested if it is giving a continuous amount of charge?

[@davidmorefield]

@@Pachiscruz2 yes this could be the issue as well!!

[@robertfratacci]

When I first purchased my FX6 I bought the tilta V mount plate and had an issue where the plate wasn’t delivering enough power to the FX6. Got a replacement and haven’t had any issues since. I use Prograde 128 V90 cards and Sony type a cards.

[@davidmorefield]

@@robertfratacci glad to hear no more issues for you.

[@BarefootMediaTV]

the canon c80 is looking mighty good

[@davidmorefield]

@@BarefootMediaTV For some people. Not for people who need a long camera, electronic vari nd, slog3, full size xlr and a rotating side grip. More importantly, it is a smart business decision for me to own the camera that clients wants and are requesting. Rather than trying to convince them that another camera is comparable. Even if the other camera is great.

[@avdcam]

@@davidmorefield nothing wrong with owning a very popular camera, it’s a recipe to get work! and it’s likely if it’s a power issue or media issue Sony or Canon debate is irrelevant

[@evanthecameraman]

My theory is it’s actually all 3. V-mount through Tilta plate may have had a small power surge (not concerning on its own) but that went through the Sony power port and transferred to the cards. It would explain why your Tilta and friends Wooden camera plate experienced similar issues and why you had 2 cards fail back to back same shoot.

[@davidmorefield]

@@evanthecameraman I think this is a strong theory as well. Logically it makes sense. In that case, I would resort back to oem bpu batteries. Either way I will be getting Sony cards.

[@christopherwhite46]

@@davidmorefieldit could be worth trying a power solution that allows the use of an internal BPU battery as well as Vmount. That way if you did have a surge or loss of power from the Vmount your camera is able to fall back on the BPU. No massive stress if it causes monitors, fiz systems or any other accessory to shut down if you can make sure the camera has redundancy power in the form of the BPU. I'm currently using a prototype Vmount plate that I'm developing with a company called cineparts and this uses this approach. Definitely something I'd like to test with it though, removing a Vmount while recording and forcing it to fall back and see if it flags any issues.

[@davidmorefield]

@@christopherwhite46 Conceptually it sounds applicable for some situations but not for this one. The other user I mentioned in the video had the system you are referring to. It was a Wooden Camera plate that allowed for a bpu inside. He ended up with the same error code and had to get his main board replaced. At the moment, I’m assuming all third party power supplies are at a disadvantage.

[@cineffect]

And here I am, doing professional client work with my MFT Olympus Pen E-PL9 for many years without any problems whatsoever.

[@davidmorefield]

@@cineffect congrats

[@scottsmokerx]

Really curious to see what Sony says. I don't even think they make a V-Mount adapter, do they? Would have to stick to the Sony BP-U's if you wanted to keep it brand specific, right?

[@davidmorefield]

@@scottsmokerx Correct!

[@ToxicMetropolis]

Wow, I did not see the "it's the power supply" curveball coming! Very interesting. Perhaps it's not so much Sony sabotaging the third party manufacturers (I think in the big picture of things they do benefit from the healthy ecosystem of these products), but the Tilta V-mount to DC design flaw. Have you reached out to Tilta on this? Would be cool to see if they have any insights or are aware of the issue. Anyway, great news about a lot of the audio/footage saved in the end via Adobe AI speech enhance and B cam. That must have been a massive relief to hear!

[@davidmorefield]

@@ToxicMetropolis That’s not a bad idea. I should contact Tilta.

[@stuartswindellcampoy8483]

I feel like it was the sd cards, mainly just because the battery is going into the camera as a DC in not touching the smart bpu connectors(it would be understandable if you bought a cheap bpu) so technically if that's an issue then you reliably wouldn't be able to power the camera from plug in power by authorized power bricks from Sony. So most likely the sd cards I guess it happens you know , there's no way no one will ever have not have a corrupted file, cards fail Tbh it might just be the board as you said who knows, Sony will hopefully find out Also great video again haha

[@davidmorefield]

@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 I’m waiting for further info!

[@erikpreston2393]

It’s the AngelBird card. Is it the 1tb? I’ve had frozen recordings on my FX3 with it.

[@davidmorefield]

@@erikpreston2393 No. V90 128/64gb SD cards.

[@zachhaayema4481]

Going the CF Express route is a no brainer, even if the Tilta plate is the culprit. SD cards are made of such flimsy plastic and are just not really professional grade - I’ve had so many issues with SD cards with multiple camera brands in the past. CF Express type B is the future and I think investing now is the right decision.

[@davidmorefield]

@@zachhaayema4481 I agree. No matter the issue, media will be upgraded.

[@CoolBikeProjects]

I hade both of my v90 Angel Bird cards go bad 2x in a row. Angel Bird was willing to take them back but I had to wait a long time and had to send it directly back to them.

[@davidmorefield]

@@CoolBikeProjects I had one prior experience 2 years ago where I contacted them and they replaced my card as well

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

Bit nervous now, just order an angle bird type B card as my backup, but maybe I’ll cancel it . I used v90 rugged cine cards in my c70 since launch and was super impressed with how they’ve performed over the years - they’re under the Delkin umbrella. So when I got my c400 I opted the Delkin 4.0 black series as my primary. Delkin has earned my respect. SanDisk has lost it, and while I’ve heard great things about angle bird, this isn’t the first time I’ve heard their name brought up like this.

[@davidmorefield]

@@MrMoviePhoneEx The problem is you can read the comments here and find faults with every single brand. I had 2 years of use without issue. So I will be moving on but others have sweared by AB. I feel like I’m doing all I can by buying the expensive oem cards. Shouldn’t have any excuses at that point.

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

@@davidmorefield kind of surprised Delkin hasn't been mentioned on here actually. They have by far the best warranty, but also they've also been really reliable since their problems way back when, like they have and had to prove themselves ever since. I've spent thousands of dollars of Sandisk and have got no where with them lately - including their blade drives and bay I use for editing. Spending good money doesn't guarantee the best results!

[@davidmorefield]

@@MrMoviePhoneEx I wish there was an easy answer. It does seem like there is just random luck involved.

[@FilmedByHendrix]

Keep us posted man!

[@davidmorefield]

@@FilmedByHendrix 🫡

[@andonitheac]

I'm not sure what the internals of the Tilta plate look like, but I cant find any info to suggest that it conditions or regulates power coming from an external battery. I personally have also steered clear of smallrig batteries for cameras since they don't really have a proven track record yet compared to Anton Bauer or CoreSWX. My theory is that the power went slightly out of spec for the fx6 to cause issue. Personally the choice to use the wooden camera plate also allows me to have a BP-U in the body for redundancy and will let the camera auto swap power source should the battery trip the fuse.

[@davidmorefield]

@@andonitheac At first I thought I had a core battery but I realized in the picture it is a smallrig. That makes me think it could be it, since it is so new. I don’t think the issue would’ve been saved by having a bpu bc the camera was operating fine. Well, fine in the sense that I could use the joy stick and other functions. And when I turns it off, it turned off like normal. It could be that the power affected the card writing process. Who knows. I need answers from Sony.

[@MrAndrewClaycomb]

The FX6 requires 19 volts so the plate is definitely doing something to bump voltage up from 14 volts coming out of a v mount battery. The nice thing about the Wooden Camera plate is you can simultaneously have an external battery and a BPU battery in the camera for V hot swaps and power failure protection.

[@davidmorefield]

@@MrAndrewClaycomb As I mention in this video, the other user who had the same problem, same error and had to have Sony fix his main board… was using the WC plate.

[@DirectedbyZ]

Def the media. Have Tilta, and knock on wood, I never had a problem. Use CFexpress type A only.

[@davidmorefield]

@@DirectedbyZ haha that’s what I’m saying though. If you asked me last week, I would have said that exact same remark.

[@abram-green]

9:20 Thing is, Sony is a BIG company. They make a little bit of everything. Every division of Sony might as well be its own company, so while it's plausible that Sony Tough cards may be made to spec for Sony cameras, they're still two different teams who may not communicate with each other much. That being said, Sony Tough is so good, and I've had so many people swear by them that I don't think it matters.

[@davidmorefield]

@@abram-green If that’s the case, I can only imagine how far off actual third party media must be.

[@timdanyo898]

Are you dual card recording? If not.. this is why you need to! Again.. the Wooden Camera system allows for the BPU battery to take over seamlessly with power interruptions like switching out a V-Mount or when the v-Mount runs out.. Maybe that's why people aren't complaining about it? From chatGPT: Tilta: There have been some reports of power-related issues affecting media recording, though they aren't widespread. The problems are often traced back to specific configurations, such as using lower-quality batteries. Wooden Camera: Fewer complaints about power affecting recording stability. The system's design is generally praised for being reliable and consistent, making it a preferred choice for users who prioritize minimal downtime or recording risks.

[@davidmorefield]

@@timdanyo898 I don’t think double recording would have changed everything. The camera itself had issues and this why I had to shut it off. It’s not like there wasn’t power coming through the Tilta. Camera was on. Media was affected. And like I said in the video, the user with this exact same scenario was using a WC plate. He fried his board with the exact same error code. So I don’t have anymore faith in WC over Tilta.

[@adambobroy1958]

question - your fx9 buddy that had the same error i assume he was using sony XQD since its almost the only card on the market for fx9 and fs7. so lets say that the cards where not at fault maybe it was power or camera board? - then again hard to say since tech has so many electronics) My (i guess you could call fool proof way of not loosing stuff is this): FX9 + Wooden Camera V mount plate + an internal BPU in my FX9 also if V mount dies + Sony XQD Cards + Atomos Ninja V (1080 backup record) + Audio running into cam and getting fed into atomos from SDI + if possible audio recorder also getting audio) and if possible B cam for interview stuff On my ARRI you can't run like a BPU type batt + V mount (sometimes Shark Fin) so if doing interviews usually run atomos backup and throw on a V mount and wall power too as power backup

[@davidmorefield]

@@adambobroy1958 Backups can be extremely useful. I wish they still made the ninja blade. It’s a ProRes recorder without a screen.

[@kri8edmediagroup]

i havent had this issue with my tilta, but my tilta stopped working recently. when I plug it in the camera it feels loose and will cut off if the cable moves. Im using the BPU batteries until i can find a better vmount

[@davidmorefield]

@@kri8edmediagroup Ufff. I wish there was a locking connector. That would make so much sense! Or at least something more robust than a barrel jack. Sorry to hear about your problem man. But those bpu’s are working good?

[@kri8edmediagroup]

@@davidmorefield I agree on the locking connector, that would be great. I shot 4 interviews yesterday on a bpu-90. I bought 2 used ones on eBay when I first got the camera. I usually just keep it in my bag just in case.

[@davidmorefield]

@@kri8edmediagroup that’s smart

[@dsdddsd4543we]

What was the firmware? Sony had a bad firmware release this year.

[@davidmorefield]

@@dsdddsd4543we older firmware. Haven’t updated in a year or so

[@MikeKangaroo-cj3gk]

Did you try to format the card in the fx6?

[@davidmorefield]

@@MikeKangaroo-cj3gk always

[@KenOja]

Some years ago I ordered two anglebird v90 cards for my gh5. After recording 20 minutes both cards failed. Formatting didnt help. I bought sandisc cards and they have been working since. I think some patches of angelbird sd cards can be faulty. I know that angelbird cards are promoted as high-end camera cards, but we will never know - they might be just regular chinese cards wiht fancy silver casing. I even had a probled with Angelbird Type-B card in blackmagic camera. I dropped frames. And some random chinese card did not.

[@TheLorax14]

Is there a chance that during the two years prior to this problem you were using mains power on a set? You might have got some dirty power that could have damaged the board.Hopefully Sony gets it sorted out. But I am feeling your pain.

[@davidmorefield]

@@TheLorax14 last time was probably over a year ago.

[@shueibdahir]

This sounds like a buffer issue. The camera's processor doesn't directly write to the card, it writes to the buffer first which then releases the data to the card. I'm willing to guarantee that it's a firmware issue. Did you recently update it?

[@davidmorefield]

@@shueibdahir I actually am not on the current firmware. I was thinking that not being on the most up to date firmware could’ve been a part of it.

[@CLIFFLIX]

I always record to a dual write on my SD Cards. I always have either twin V90 256gig cards or twin V60 512gig cards. Another thing I do with my FX6 is bring my Shogun Connect and record ProRes LT 4k to it's SATA drive....and...record 8bit long GOP on my FX6 as an emergency backup. 8 Bit Long GOP 4k is so small that I can just let it run the whole day without needing to stop it or think about it. I start and stop my ProRes after every take but the internal cards just run all day on 512gig SD cards until I power off the FX6. They are strictly for emergency but you get excellent backups of audio and video if you burn up an Atomos.

[@davidmorefield]

@@CLIFFLIX That’s some strong redundancy.

[@CLIFFLIX]

@@davidmorefield - It's some strong paranoia! ;-)

[@Berna75]

Hey there! Honestly I think you're thinking about this all wrong, what you need is redundancy. Let me explain; I record a bunch of interviews, and for my A Cam I use a rigged out Sony a7sIII where I do most of my monitoring like I imagine you do on your fx6. Now, the main differences my rig has in comparison to yours, to my understanding is that I have redundancy in case something goes wrong. In the case of the audio I record with the RODE Wireless Pro, it records 32-bit float audio ON THE TRANSMITTER in case something goes wrong with the file on my camera I know that I have a really good quality file in the transmitter. "Yeah but I'm using a shotgun mic, not a lav.." yeah me too, I use the Sennheiser mke600 which can take a AA battery and I run it through one of the Rode Wireless Pro transmitters. This takes care of the audio. Regarding the power situation I think using another v-mount plate instead of the Tilta one is the right answer, but not for the reason you talked about in the video. To my knowledge, the Tilta plate attaches to the NPF battery slot on the fx6, right? Prohibiting you from using a battery on the camera as well as the V-mount battery, correct? This is where I think another power solution would be better, because just like in my case where I have a battery inside my a7sIII and I get power from the Smallrig Mini V-Mount Plate using USB-C, you should do the same. Have a battery on your camera, and have external power going into it as well. That way, even if the battery runs out, all your perifals might go out but your camera will keep on recording like nothing happened giving you and your talent time to wrap up things and swich out the battery and it's more convenient. IF something happens to the file, this way at least you know it's the camera's fault and not anything else because you had redundancy measures in action. Glad to answer any questions anyone might have on this matter and also if you think I might be missing something in my thought process let me know I'll be open to chat!

[@davidmorefield]

@@Berna75 Redundancies are always beneficial. There’s a bit of information you are missing that I addressed in my previous video but you’re not far off. 1) I used the DJI Mic 2 as the lav. Unfortunately they were not internally recording. Safe to say they are set to do so now. 2) The problem wasn’t a loss of power. In fact, I had to manually turn the camera off. Quite a few people have mentioned the WC plate for this reason. However, as I addressed in the video, the other user who had the same problem as me, same error code and ended up having to replace his main board- was using the WC plate you recommended. So as I see it, any 3rd party power supply falls into the category of being proven to have similar failure points. But especially wooden camera and Tilta as that is the anecdotal evidence I have. Right now, I’m operating off assumptions and I am really looking forward to hearing what the Sony techs say! I appreciate your input though. More redundancy Ora gives will be added. I’m really glad I had the secondary audio on my b cam.

[@joshwhitee]

My tilta v mount plate recently failed me as well. I thought it was water damage but my camera kept shutting down even when dry. Luckily I also had the other tilta vmount that sits on 15mm rods and can tilt away leaving room for the stock Sony battery as well so I can hot swap the v mounts. Probably swapping to wooden camera soon. Ps. Took two years for my problem to crop up as well. (First power issues were beginning of September)

[@davidmorefield]

@@joshwhitee so the v2 hasn’t had issues after you had problems with the v1? Also, watch the full video, I talk about the other guy who had this exact problem, same error code and had to get his fx9 repaired was using the wooden camera plate.

[@avdcam]

Also, definitely record the backup of audio when you can too. Those DJI do have backup recording, very much worth the effort. I still think it might be possible to fully recover the currupted file with a recover service with werecoverdata but it's hard to know for sure. When you said you had a fresh formatted card and you out that into the camera to record the next clip and it also started to flash after a few minutes, was it formatted in the FX6 camera or on your mac previously? It's also not necessarily the v-lock mount, some of them have power regulation and some of them don't. Often it's the V-Mount battery's output that is so unregulated that's very easy for an over voltage to come out of the battery. I have fried lights because of the lack of v-mount regulation. But reading the details of the tilta and the wooden camera, it claims to be pushing a regulated voltage. So it's really hard to know for sure. CF-Express Type A cards, more durable, and sony oem. But I think that there is a likely hood that the over voltage makes a lot of sense when you have 2 dead cards. Seems sus. But basically 2 big questions: 1. Do you format your cards on your mac or on the camera? It's not clear and a few folks have been asking. It's best practice to format on camera (always) as formatting them on a mac or pc will create incompatibilities. 2.When you do battery swaps are you following the 12G SDI protocol? It's very easy to short a camera when not doing battery swaps in the correct order and pulling the sdi port before pulling the battery, and connecting the battery before reconnecting the sdi.,

[@davidmorefield]

@@avdcam 1. Cards are always formatted in camera. 2. Never followed sdi protocol. I know that is inherently risky. The sdi is 3g. 12g is definitely more power dependent.

[@avdcam]

@@davidmorefield okay, thank you! I know we are all reading into every word of this so sorry for the epic sleuthing but damn this sucks. I hate to say that it really does seem likely an over voltage event occurred and may have damaged the board. I know that tilta and wooden camera manage the voltage into the fx6 so either their circuitry is bad or you might have gotten hit with a ground loop when connecting/disconnecting batteries. And that can cause a short following the same nightmare scenario as those Komodo shooters. As the fx6 is a 12G sdi connection. And because those issues also are rare anyway and require a specific set of failures to all happen at the same time, it’s hard to even know how common it might be. I’ve always been on prograde or Sandisk so no experience with angelbird. But man make sure that DJI backup recording is always running always worth it just in case.

[@afseale]

Wow that AI audio is amazing!

[@davidmorefield]

@@afseale It saved me!

[@aenimatt]

When you fill up a card and the fx6 does the red flashing, even if you switch cards or delete clips and it still gives you the “clips full” message, you go into big menu and go TC/Media > Update Media.

[@davidmorefield]

@@aenimatt Never heard of this!! Thank you.

[@aenimatt]

@@davidmorefield you’re welcome! I use my fx6 as our roaming camera at the stadium I work for. But since we broadcast live, it needs to be in 60p, so I have it set to 4k60 all-intra recording to be able to crop in for social media edits. The cache recording comes in clutch with sports. But 4k60 all-intra eats up space fast and we run into this issue constantly, especially if the camera operator accidentally hits the switch cards button.

[@_FrontFootFilms_]

I haven't had this issue but I have had issues with Angelbird cards corrupting so I stopped using them altogether a few years. ago. Also, Tilta plates on Burano's started frying Burano's so thats possible as well. However, I have a Tilta Vmount plate on my FX6s and (knock on wood) they've been fine.

[@davidmorefield]

@@_FrontFootFilms_ Do you have a link to that video about the burano?

[@travisminneapolis]

I would trust Angilbird way more for your cards than Tilta for voltage. Nothing against Tilta, but cable connections, voltage regulators, etc... Any weak leak and you are running into issues

[@davidmorefield]

@@travisminneapolis It could be. Hoping I receive co clue I’ve evidence from Sony. I don’t care where the problem is, I just want to fix it.

[@beingdavidwatts2024]

David I only use the SONY OEM cards I have had that error also but I was using a third party card, once I switched to SONY no more issues

[@davidmorefield]

@@beingdavidwatts2024 what was your power supply?

[@racemode]

I use anton Bauer V-mount plate on my FX6 which still uses the Sony battery. Great for hot swap.. I only use cf express type A and cry at the price.

[@davidmorefield]

@@racemode I’d rather cry at the price than at a corrupted file.

[@Guillaume9]

Problem is that you can turn that in your head the time you want, any brand has issues. You talk sony though they got recalded in their history . For the angelbird sd, they are sold for very long time, so having issues now it is a bit weird. And generally having a break due to media is highly unlikely. Camera damage are always a matter of power issue. The fact that it appens long time after the first use could just says that the titla board or anything has become unstable, leading to bad battery output. It is a problem of power, and it can also have destroyed your cards. Those angelbirds v90 are often use in europe and no problems, it is for exemple often used on c70s and no problems

[@davidmorefield]

@@Guillaume9 It’s all conjecture at this point. Looking forward to real answers soon.

[@colemowery]

couldn't you purchase from adorama?

[@billmakesmovies]

They're also closed

[@davidmorefield]

@@billmakesmovies oh dang haha

[@jaswingrove]

this sucks. i’m going with media. i’ve used the tilta plate consistently for years since it was released. down mines deserts, high altitude, rigs, cranes, aircraft, you name it and it’s been perfectly fine, the whole camera running sony tough CF Express cards has not missed a single beat since I bought it the first week it was released. Angelbird are still a new player and i’ve not enough experience with their products to have an opinion but when it comes to media it’s just too risky to not go with factory cards, especially when they can be bought for reasonable money. yes the CF express cards are a little more than the SD cards i just noticed you’re running but i like the idea they have some overhead and more than up to the data job. i’m sure there’s many people running SD cards in the fx6 but somehow i’ve never felt as trusting. what v mount batts do you use?

[@davidmorefield]

@@jaswingrove Yes, factory cards on in my cart… just need BH to open their checkout haha. The battery was a smallrig 212. That is a new product as well and could’ve been the culprit.

[@jaswingrove]

@@davidmorefield 👍 hope you find a solution and a cause. keep us updated of course

[@MikeAnthonyPhotography]

to be honest i only used cf express cards since the sony a7iv came out and now with my a9iii ...i use two 1tb cf express cards ...ppl who use sd cards still in 2024 need to update for sure 100% there just so much better and faster ....also i use vmount for my camera but i ran usb-c into it for power i dont use the dtap or dummy batteries

[@davidmorefield]

@@MikeAnthonyPhotography I agree it is a stronger media type. The problem may still remain though if it is 3rd party media. Same goes for usb-c or vmount. All third party.

[@MikeAnthonyPhotography]

@@davidmorefield well then sony should make there own vmounts ...they know ppl use them way more then the batteries they sell ....also make a better monitor for the fx6 fx9 body ...just sell a 5inch monitor as a extra if your sony and make some money vs everybody buying 3rd party monitors also

[@davidmorefield]

@@MikeAnthonyPhotography I would love to pay extra for an oem 5” monitor.

[@willvazquez3218]

It’s 100% Angelbird. Angel bird cards are the biggest piece of sh*t cards I’ve ever used. I’ve had multiple Angel bird cards go bad with my red Komodo. The other card that completely sucks ass is Lexar. I only trust prograde Sony or sandisk cards. Also, you must record on dual cards 100% of the time. It’s a must.

[@davidmorefield]

@@willvazquez3218 With these new card purchases, I’ll be able to dual record more comfortably.

[@RahjJordan]

Hmmmm it's the cards. Sometimes cameras go into a buffer mode that can't contain or seal the file. Card issue for sure! been running the tilta v mount plate since release date. never skipped a beat. I use Sony tough cf cards and never had one file be corrupt or face this issue, had the same thing happen to a friend and it was the third party angel bird cards that failed.

[@davidmorefield]

@@RahjJordan Noted

[@98JamesNixon]

Did you dual record?

[@davidmorefield]

@@98JamesNixon Nope. That is a great practice that I will be adopting though. Seeing as the camera had to be shut off manually, I don’t believe that would have made any difference. It was a system wide error.

[@98JamesNixon]

@@davidmorefield ah right gotcha. I’ve been dual recording for the last few years for all my shoots, I’m just too paranoid haha. Has saved me once before with my C70 where one card corrupted a long form interview halfway through but the other was fine

[@davidmorefield]

@@98JamesNixon Ufff that must’ve been a rollercoaster to experience.

[@garrettgoerlvisuals]

It's most likely the angelbird cards, I don't trust them one bit and had an issue with a 1tb angelbird red cf card that was literally brand new fail to read in camera after shooting on it but footage showed up in computer but camera couldn't read it even though we had just shot on it. But in addition it could be the Tilta powerplate, I would get rid of Tilta for how bad they are and get a different power solution, run some tests.

[@memphismadetez]

I've had my FX6 for 2 years.... Never had that problem but I also don't have tilta baseplate and I only use Sony memory

[@Supercon57]

Since the error persisted over two sd cards I assume the camera was stuck in some kind of glitched state Not entirely impossible, I've had a few weird glitches with the FS7 Maybe when swapping media the vmount shifted sending an unexpected power surge to the main board Or maybe when swapping media there was a subtle static shock delivered directly to the main board I wouldn't necessarily write off SD cards or the brand of card, any media can have a moment of failure, it's just a numbers game, especially since the issue persisted over two cards makes me think it wasnt the card specifically If it was a case of the vmount, I would wonder if there is any play on the battery when it is attached to the tilta plate It could be worth powering down the camera before removing media and powering on the camera after installing new media, this might have reset the error state you witnessed

[@davidmorefield]

@@Supercon57 Yes! I am completely on board with the theory of the glitched state. Bc it was contained with three clips, spread over 3 cards… it makes me think there was an issue with that moment in time. After my last video, I have heard tons of people recommending switching cards AFTER powering down the camera. I never thought of this. Thank you for sharing.

[@PNWMOTION]

this worries me, I use the tilta plate and I recently saw a different post on the fx6 facebook page having issues with that plate before this series of videos. So I was already looking at the wooden one but your right its still 3rd party. I don't use angle bird cards but I use Purgear or whatever it's called and that's also 3rd party media. I will say I did have something like this happen with my a7siii using a 3d party v mount plate where it fried the mother board but the difference was the camera wouldn't even turn on. Sent it to Sony and got it about 2 months later.....it took awhile due to chip shortages during c19 so you will get yours back a lot quicker I imagine. Used to record audio straight into camera, not anymore im not.

[@davidmorefield]

@@PNWMOTION In this video I mention that the other user who had the exact same scenario with his fx9 was using a WC plate. So I wouldn’t invest any stock that it would be safer. I’m hoping to get a clear answer from Sony.

[@PNWMOTION]

@@davidmorefield thanks for the response and keep us updated, I will have to adjust accordingly to whatever Sony says

[@ActinDude]

I know we use wildly, different cameras, but a couple of years ago my GH5 froze while using a V90 AngelBird SD card. The GH5 looked like it was still recording, but wasn’t. When I finally restarted the camera, all the files were corrupted.

[@davidmorefield]

@@ActinDude ALL OF THEM? Dude that sucks. I’m sorry to hear that. Which media do you use now.

[@thebenlew]

Super valuable to know there are others dealing with this - albeit mine threw an error code: EA0-000

[@davidmorefield]

@@thebenlew have you looked it up? Never seen that one.

[@thebrianbossert]

When your original card filled up(I’m assuming it was a 128gb) did you replace it with an identical sized card(128gb) or a smaller sized card? If you replaced it with a smaller card that could be the culprit of your problem; when a camera doesn’t finish exporting the video and needs to complete encoding on another card, it needs an identical size in order for the “buffer memory” to finish writing properly. If you put in a smaller card then it will not be enough space for the clip to finish exporting. My advice is to use 256gb and nothing less. Stop recording before your cards hit 80% capacity; if interview goes longer get bigger cards. Think of cards like hard drives, they get slow and sketchy once you pass 90% capacity.

[@davidmorefield]

@@thebrianbossert This could be it!! I did switch to a smaller capacity card. It sounds logical to me.

[@ty-k6708]

The biggest problem that I have with B&H is they always seem to be closed when you need them the most. If there is this big concern from Sony about using third party accessories like Tilta or Wooden camera plates, then why doesn't Sony make their own solution for them and keep everything "in house" so to speak?

[@davidmorefield]

@@ty-k6708 They do keep it in house… with their bpu’s. The answer will actually come from their higher price point cameras. Burano and Venice both have native v-mount. That is why I have stated in other videos that I wish the fx line had the same power supply. Most people who use this camera use a plate to power additional accessories. I guess in Sony’s mind they are saying that if you want these features- then we have another camera just for that purpose. It’s product segmentation. I get it but it’s annoying for us.

[@derik_niez]

Sorry to be that guy but we’re the cards formatted in camera?

[@davidmorefield]

@@derik_niez Yes!

[@derik_niez]

@@davidmorefield The back to back errors on back to back cards is extremely confusing, hope the techs can give you some reassurance on either the storage or v mount. I wouldn’t be shocked if the catalyst was the nearly full media card followed by an error caused by inserting a card with the same name/folder hierarchy. The camera could have thought the 128 gb card was still the 64 gb card? I’m rooting for the most innocent outcome!

[@davidmorefield]

@@derik_niez Yes, after hearing others echo a similar sentiment, that sounds completely plausible.

[@derik_niez]

@@davidmorefield best of luck!

[@MindfulGrinds]

lol, I have been using 3rd party v-mount batteries on my FS5MIIs for about 6 years now. Hmm, maybe I should stick with that. Lol. I am considering a used FX9 though mainly due to 4K Super 35. That said, it is so crazy to hear people having issues with the FX6. It must be pretty few. I mean I get cheaper specs for some 3rd party brands and there are some products that just have a higher failure rate. For the sheer volume though of people using them, I don’t know. My guess is they will just replace the board. Swaptronics is cheaper for them than repairing. This is coming from someone who spent over 20 years repairing radio systems. Electronics are cheaper than labor.

[@davidmorefield]

@@MindfulGrinds I’m just hoping to get clear answers from the Sony techs.

[@TradeshowThomas]

yeah that adobe enhance ai is a game changer. Other ai apps can remove reverb as well deverberate is one

[@davidmorefield]

@@TradeshowThomas It saved me.

[@GlenReed]

Dude!! Send me that B cam audio, I can probably get it to sound way better for you. At minimum I can remove a lot of the room reflections.

[@davidmorefield]

@@GlenReed yo I appreciate that! This client is accepting it already so I’m just going to say ok and move on haha.

[@GlenReed]

@@davidmorefield 👍 for future reference take a look at the iZotope RX suite. It’s expensive but it’s crazy how powerful it is at cleaning up audio. I have just about every plugin they make, tells you how much I’ve had to fix bad audio 🤣

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

@@GlenReed it’s the industry standard for a reason, and as much as I want to just use the ai suites built into my NLEs for simple audio clean up, I default back to starting my chain with RX every time! Still the best dees mod on the market in my opinion too! It’s on sale frequently, don’t pay full price ever, and once you’ve bought in the upgrades are pretty reasonable. Since post is part of your business services, it’s an easy write off :)

[@GlenReed]

@@MrMoviePhoneEx agreed!! I bought the everything bundle for $299 and it’s easily one of the best investments I’ve made in my post production workflow.

[@nelsonclub7722]

Angelbird for sure

[@davidmorefield]

@@nelsonclub7722 We’ll see.

[@Valleedbrume]

I buy only Sony cards,haven’t had a problem yet.

[@davidmorefield]

@@Valleedbrume Good to hear!

[@eletor]

I have a titla plate and angel bird card in my a7s rig, got me scared now

[@PNWMOTION]

bro me to, im looking at my fx6 thinking will it explode if I turn It on

[@davidmorefield]

@@PNWMOTION 😂

[@davidmorefield]

@@eletor Well there are a few practices I will be adopting after reading all these comments. 1. Never shoot the entire card. Pull it out at 90% 2. Turn the camera off, then switch the media and turn back on. Additionally, these cards are 2.5 years old. They may just be at the end of their life. But whatever the answer from Sony is, I’ll report it here.

[@chrisw443]

Strapping a dji action cam to your rig, thats linked with a dji mic kit, would be a great backup audio solution. Ah yes spend 4 times the price on sony only accessories. Too pricey for me.

[@davidmorefield]

@@chrisw443 I’m focused on reliability. If that comes at the cost or price, then that’s ok with me.

[@digitten]

Never had any luck with Angelbird cards.

[@avx111]

I still wouldn't go with Sony cards, those things are overpriced as hell. Never heard bad things about Sandisk or Prograde, pricey but not as much as the Sony Tough.

[@davidmorefield]

@@avx111 I need reliability. I don’t care if that’s at the price of cost.

[@davidmorefield]

@@digitten Have you had bad luck?

[@digitten]

@@davidmorefield not like you’ve had, but i’ve had them not be recognized in the camera before.

[@digitten]

So far prograde has worked best for me

[@AcastroAX]

Advice always use 2 cards and double recording.

[@davidmorefield]

@@AcastroAX I agree but that wouldn’t have helped here. I had to shut the camera off manually. Would not have mattered if two cards were recording when I did that. I could not stop recording so it seems to be a system wide error.

[@AcastroAX]

@@davidmorefield you really don’t know that plus is good practice overall

[@davidmorefield]

@@AcastroAX I agree. It is the smarter practice.

[@Stedmen]

Tilta.. have a hard time believing two cards went bad at the same time, if it was strictly a media problem.

[@davidmorefield]

@@Stedmen yeah that seems like quite the coincidence.

[@carloscmedia]

Honestly I don’t believe it was the media or the Wooden Camera V-mount plate that damaged my FX6. The only issue I can pinpoint, which is entirely my fault, is with my SmallHD monitor. I don’t follow the SDI protocol, and I think I might have damaged the board. That’s the only possible explanation I can come up with.

[@danbrockettDOP]

I wonder how many people in this thread can actually recite, know and always use the SDI/HDMI/powering order protocol? I bet most don't even know what we're talking about.

[@davidmorefield]

@@carloscmedia my hesitancy to that is this was in the middle of a recording. And then I recorded the rest of the day fine. Couldn’t replicate when I got home either. I assume if the sdi protocol damaged something, then how would it heal itself immediately?

[@davidmorefield]

@@danbrockettDOP After asking a few people, it is extremely uncommon. And those people have not had much issue either. It is weird that the incorrect sdi protocol would decide to takes its effect 7 minutes into the recording and then somehow never show its face again.

[@danbrockettDOP]

@@davidmorefield I didn't necessarily think that your issue was caused by SDI/HDMI/powering protocol. I agree that when that short happens, it's instantaneous and you would have known about it right away because either a monitor or your camera would have fried and wouldn't have worked. My bet with your camera/issue is either media or your V Mount causing a surge possibly. I think you're on the right track but hopefully Sony will have some news for you about what they think caused your issues. I do think you should eliminate SDXC cards from your FX6, the CFA cards are so much better. The Sony cards are good but kind of a ripoff as far as value equation. We've been running the Nextorage 480GB cards since July and abusing them and they cost a fraction of what the Sony cards go for. $199 for 480GB. They are a Japanese company started by ex Sony media engineers in 2019. If you wait until Black Friday, they'll likely be back down to $159. They have a five year warranty too and they have been flawless. They also download 8x-10x faster than SD cards.

[@davidmorefield]

@@danbrockettDOP CFA is next. I’m prioritizing compatibility over cost right now. Conveniently they have a discount right now that I can take advantage of.

[@robbiefilms]

its the media

[@davidmorefield]

@@robbiefilms It could be!

[@brandonmrsh]

I 100% do not trust anything Tilta related, especially for power. While they are a great and attractive solution, I honestly have ONLY had issues with 3rd party power options on all my cameras. Best bet? Rod mount a dummy vmount, and get regulated cables that you can run directly to the camera. That way, you know that there is 100% never an issue with power regulation. But I will say, it's very odd that they would point to voltage/wattage issues as the cause. Usually if it fluxuates the camera just shuts off.

[@brandonmrsh]

I will add, at the end of the day, all 3rd party companies are doing the same thing - Taking a positive, negative, and ground wire and running it through a voltage regulator, then taking those positive, negative, and ground wires and connecting them to the source. It's the most basic circuitry imaginable. At the end of the day, it comes down to the question - Does the 3rd party company use quality parts to regulate the voltage properly? Honestly.. It's probably a toss up between most of them. I don't think wooden camera is using higher quality parts compared to Tilta, nor Mid49, Kondor Blue, etc - However, I could totally be wrong. As far as I know, the FX (and FS) series of cameras are very sensitive to what kind of voltage they will properly run off of. Best solution? Use a recorder that has the ability to also output the signal (something by Zoom would probably get the job done) I would then run that signal INTO your FX6. You'll be able to know comfortably that you have a solid audio track, and you can also doubledown and test the FX6 to see if the issue persists. Not ideal for run and gun, but for anything on sticks, you'll be fine. Good luck

[@davidmorefield]

@@brandonmrsh Sony did not point to anything. That is my interpretation of the error code explanation. They said it was bc of third party accessories. I like your idea but it still falls under 3rd party power supply.

[@davidmorefield]

@@brandonmrsh I appreciate your thoughts on this. Hopefully I have more conclusive evidence soon.

[@Brian-Hansen]

I would bet it is an Angelbird problem.

[@davidmorefield]

@@Brian-Hansen Could be.

[@IMDABROWN]

I was so close to finally getting a used FX6. Guess this is my sign to hold off.

[@carloscmedia]

@@IMDABROWN don’t worry these are isolated issues. It’s still an amazing camera.

[@davidmorefield]

@@IMDABROWN Well in my research on KZbin, these problems of mine are obviously in the minority. I was only able to find two people who had a similar issue. And one was with the Tilta plate and the other was with WC. I believe something was done incorrectly on my end. That could be which third party accessories I chose. So, really looking forward to what the Sony techs say. Think of how many thousands of KZbinrs with fx6’s and Tilta plates haven’t gone through this though. Almost every fx6 owner I know uses that same Tilta. That’s why I think it’s something unique to my situation.

[@IMDABROWN]

@@davidmorefield this was the excuse I needed to save and not Spend.

[@davidmorefield]

@@IMDABROWN That’s usually the right choice no matter what the scenario is 😅

[@WalterTheBalter]

TILTA

[@davidmorefield]

@@WalterTheBalter 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@this_time_imperfect]

Sounds like a Sony problem

[@davidmorefield]

@@this_time_imperfect Unfortunately, I need more info than that. Hopefully I get it.