Corvette LS3 V8 Powered Velocity Kitplane UPDATE!

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@cggage
@cggage 3 жыл бұрын
Talk about smooth! What a difference a V8 engine makes! How can you beat that sound? The aircraft looks solid, professional, secure. Very high-quality craftsmanship. Excellent job! Congratulations!
@theworshiptraveler6709
@theworshiptraveler6709 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Mark. The LS3 is one of the best engines ever designed.
@chippyjohn1
@chippyjohn1 Жыл бұрын
Back in WW1
@redlywaxer
@redlywaxer 3 жыл бұрын
Great sound and power. Would love to see more updates as it nears airworthiness. Thank you!
@foesfly3047
@foesfly3047 3 жыл бұрын
This project is exceedingly interesting. Thanks for reviewing it for us (twice so far).
@frisk151
@frisk151 11 ай бұрын
Talk about workmanship!!!! This looks and sounds amazing! I'm late to finding this but I hope to see flight videos as I look deeper now.. Thanks for sharing!
@glennoropeza3545
@glennoropeza3545 2 ай бұрын
I been following your build for a while! I love this plane!
@Mcleanbe123
@Mcleanbe123 2 жыл бұрын
your videos have restarted my interest in aviation/homebuilt aircraft. If/when I decide to build, this will be my plan. Thanks for setting the path for me!
@louisvanrijn3964
@louisvanrijn3964 3 жыл бұрын
Runs like a merlin engine...sounds convincingly. If you get the cooling right and the fuel feed fool proof-reliable, half of the machine is OK. Well done!
@thepurpleufo
@thepurpleufo 3 жыл бұрын
It's all amazingly great...the airplane itself and the engine...wow. Keep it going.
@davidgolden6068
@davidgolden6068 3 жыл бұрын
FINALLYYYY I have been searching far and wide for an update on this 👍👍👍👍
@camthompson4462
@camthompson4462 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, great watching the progress over the years. Officially you win. Can't wait to at least cruise around the airport with you.
@jackglossop4859
@jackglossop4859 2 жыл бұрын
“Follow me through on the controls” gets a bit friendly with that shared joystick 🤣 love this aircraft though.
@chrisbaxter23
@chrisbaxter23 3 жыл бұрын
So cool how you built every piece of that plane, if you could build it you built it! So proud of you papa!
@007bonder4
@007bonder4 3 жыл бұрын
There was an awesome guy done here in Fl x58 that was working on v8 for years … just makes sense reliable as can be . The Airframe is killer sir fast and responsive always liked the velocity but with an LS3 nice 👍🏻. Looking forward to your test flight !
@davejoynt6276
@davejoynt6276 3 жыл бұрын
That looks sweet, not sure about using the hangar door as a chock, lol.
@anthonyrstrawbridge
@anthonyrstrawbridge 3 жыл бұрын
What could possibly go wrong where the engine has enough thrust to fly without wings? Hmmm might be fun to put a silhouette right there.
@chrisbaxter23
@chrisbaxter23 3 жыл бұрын
Looks amazing Papa!! I’m so happy to see it up and running and so happy that you got your dream plane working!
@DrT_MD
@DrT_MD 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful work! Can’t wait to see it flying. With all that performance, I’d want at least one more artificial horizon on the panel. I’ve never met an iPad I trust that much.
@bassmith448bassist5
@bassmith448bassist5 3 жыл бұрын
I personally would NEVER own anything made by Apple.
@VusaMoyo
@VusaMoyo 3 жыл бұрын
Yup a G5 or GI275 or whatever Dynon makes as a backup would be ideal.
@joemedcalf7732
@joemedcalf7732 3 жыл бұрын
Love it can't wait to see the performance in the sky thanks. I will be subscribing.
@KitplaneEnthusiast
@KitplaneEnthusiast 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@dsgregg
@dsgregg 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. Looks fabulous. I'm loving the dual redundant ECU aspect too.
@devilliers123
@devilliers123 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful piece of work.. ..
@rbmiller3346
@rbmiller3346 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job. The small block Chevy engine has been a workhorse since the 50's and has powered everything from motorcycles to airplanes. Beautiful aircraft.
@stewartsmith1947
@stewartsmith1947 3 жыл бұрын
It's a Chevy but not the old type small block . LS3 is even better than the old small block . Much better !
@russellhawkins5113
@russellhawkins5113 2 жыл бұрын
The LS3 with the Stinger reduction drive and MT prop looks a great combo…..
@ztwntyn8
@ztwntyn8 Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome and thanks for the walkthrough
@cozy4build245
@cozy4build245 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Usually the weak link in these automotive conversions is the reduction unit. Awesome job. Cant wait to see it go.
@caturlifelive
@caturlifelive 3 жыл бұрын
agreed
@gi8323
@gi8323 3 жыл бұрын
huge thank you, really appreciate the update..
@goropeza101
@goropeza101 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome fast aircraft! can't wait for its first flight!
@michaelchesney3785
@michaelchesney3785 3 жыл бұрын
I've always loved the velocity ! The LS3 looks to be a beast!
@malibujack4852
@malibujack4852 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Will be fun to see if it performs as anticipated. Not sure about how it will do on 100LL (not a lot of places that sell mogas). One other thing I would mention is that many builders spend years completing their projects because they keep adding modifications that they think they need, but in reality are not needed. For instance, the defog on the windscreen. My experience in flying my velocity for over 20 years now in all kinds of weather is that the windscreen never fogs up. My advice would be to build it to spec, get it up and flying, and then decide what “improvements” are needed. Alternatively, ask those of us who have been flying them for years, what mods actually are warranted.
@julianbrelsford
@julianbrelsford Жыл бұрын
Well, if he's willing to carry the fuel to the airplane himself then there are a lot of places to get mogas
@savethedeveloper
@savethedeveloper 3 жыл бұрын
5:06 where Len is standing is where the wing goes. I have the same problem and dread maintenance once wings are on
@5xls
@5xls 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds awesome. Get that thing flying!
@mjhornidge
@mjhornidge 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man!! you did an update!! sweet!!!
@KitplaneEnthusiast
@KitplaneEnthusiast 2 жыл бұрын
I'll be making many more as the builder progresses all the way to the first flight.
@BiscuitsStuckToTheWall
@BiscuitsStuckToTheWall 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Looking forward to seeing it fly. 👍
@cm0ly989
@cm0ly989 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job! The LS engine looks amazing!!
@felixaudet5860
@felixaudet5860 2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a maintenance / cost comparison of the LS3 vs other aircraft engines with similar power. Thanks for posting, amazing build.
@banzaiib
@banzaiib 2 жыл бұрын
at 8k-10k for an LS crate engine, you could replace the entire engine 10x and not come close to a single, 400 HP Lycoming IO-720.
@tilsr2556
@tilsr2556 2 жыл бұрын
As well it shoild be made by qualified engineer
@Scjohn99
@Scjohn99 3 жыл бұрын
Suweeeet! Very nice. Great job and congrats!
@johnelliott4521
@johnelliott4521 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful work thank you for sharing
@jimarcher5255
@jimarcher5255 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on a very impressive build.
@coastalbbq1
@coastalbbq1 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful project! Thanks for the video.
@PistonsProps
@PistonsProps 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome bird. Flying in speed and luxury.
@cardboardrob1
@cardboardrob1 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see it fly
@armandobetancourt8488
@armandobetancourt8488 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the update. It´s a very interesting project. Please share the numbers (cruse speed, climb rate, fuel) when finally you have this beautiful plane fully operational. One more. Excellent job with the interior. I like the instrument panel layout and interior color and the direction everything is going. There is any plan to install a force induction system on the engine or there is not room in the engine bay?
@jimydoolittle3129
@jimydoolittle3129 3 жыл бұрын
Powerful beauty ❤️💪✈️
@clarkharms
@clarkharms 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice build, do you have a page outlining everything you did to make the ls engine work. I am sure many of use would love to benefit from your experience and build. Just wondering if you think the ls is a cost effective alternative to the lycoming engines?
@oldsloane
@oldsloane 3 жыл бұрын
A real beauty, can't wait to see it fly.
@NotTelling51
@NotTelling51 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to following the progress. Pretty cool.
@stevencarrollscorpio
@stevencarrollscorpio 3 жыл бұрын
i subscribed, please make another video when you complete this project, would love to see the project completed and in the air. really cool 😎.
@weshillsberry6275
@weshillsberry6275 3 жыл бұрын
That hangar door is definitely "experimental" lol
@chippyjohn1
@chippyjohn1 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you aren't using an old pushrod engine.
@JamesBond-xq3tw
@JamesBond-xq3tw 3 жыл бұрын
True engineer
@jimmycline4778
@jimmycline4778 3 жыл бұрын
7:15 You can here the LS3 motor up till the prop drowned it out!
@jwald6795
@jwald6795 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds and looks Awesome
@Dimrain13
@Dimrain13 Жыл бұрын
I love it! Since its an LS whats the estimated TBO and OH cost? Im out in Michigan as well and this looks like the perfect setup!
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Thanks
@donjohnston3776
@donjohnston3776 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, so EFFFFFFFFFFFFEN smooth !!!!!!!!!!!
@brentheilman8910
@brentheilman8910 3 жыл бұрын
I love it 😍 great work!
@CurtBagne
@CurtBagne 3 жыл бұрын
I put an LS engine into my Miata some time ago and now that I'm working on my pilots license, something like this may be next. Looks like a great build and I'd love to see updates.
@xXAlexbXx-hl9nf
@xXAlexbXx-hl9nf 2 жыл бұрын
Lool does it rip?
@CurtBagne
@CurtBagne 2 жыл бұрын
@@xXAlexbXx-hl9nf It's properly quick. Really fun to drive!
@xXAlexbXx-hl9nf
@xXAlexbXx-hl9nf 2 жыл бұрын
@@CurtBagne that's badass man. That's a dream build for me. The ls motor is such a great power plant and the fact it can squeeze in a miata is only a recipe for fun and awesome 👌. Love to see you living the dream brother good health too you
@dougrobison5342
@dougrobison5342 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, well done!
@wadeh9124
@wadeh9124 Жыл бұрын
Is there a resource on where I can find more information about the prop control when using this engine configuration? I assume electric but more interested in how this works since power of the auto engine power rated via RPM rather than MP. For example, do you adjust pitch based on engine load similar to shifting gears?
@Formerlytrouserttrout
@Formerlytrouserttrout 10 ай бұрын
I used to see an airplane like this in southern California. It buzzed us while hiking in the ortegas
@grumpyoldstudios
@grumpyoldstudios 3 жыл бұрын
I love the project and the plane but as the crew chief on an LS3 powered Corvette racecar how are you working around the problem of the LS3's propensity to burning off plug wires? The racecar goes through 2-3 wires a year even with wrapped headers and high temp wires. It is a terrible design having the plugs rite between the exhaust ports. I would love to see how you overcome it as it might help the racecar.
@quadsman11
@quadsman11 3 жыл бұрын
And you just may have brought a potential critical design issue to Mark's attention, ( possibly saving the aircraft ) ! This may be a very stupid question, and I do understand the prop being cooled by a significant amount of airflow, and ambient temperatures being much cooler as altitude increases. But, is there going to be any heating of the prop with the headers dumping out just ahead of the prop ??? Just curious !
@guidosarducci166
@guidosarducci166 3 жыл бұрын
@@quadsman11 the airplane isn't known ice certified, so prop heating shouldn't be a concern.
@quadsman11
@quadsman11 3 жыл бұрын
@@guidosarducci166 I guess I was misunderstood, I meant, propeller damage created by the outlet of the headers being directed at the prop, and only a few inches away from it. I should have realized that there could have been another meaning infered. My mistake for sure !
@guidosarducci166
@guidosarducci166 3 жыл бұрын
@@quadsman11 ah! Didn't even consider that. I don't think any individual blade would be subjected to the exhaust for a long enough period of time to heat the prop out of tolerance. Looking at the way he has the exhaust set up also, the exhaust gases will mix with air from the cowling a good foot before the gases encounter the prop, so I would expect the exhaust gases at that point would be significantly cooler than the EGT out of the header.
@quadsman11
@quadsman11 3 жыл бұрын
@@guidosarducci166 I agree with you on that Paul, was more of a curiosity than anything. But I'm an autoracing nut, and aviation nut, so always thinking about things in the extreme ! How extreme forces, and extreme heat effects have on critical performance parts ! I try to never make assumptions about something critical that can have potential failure at critical timing ! Like, let's say 5000 feet, in the case of aviation of course ! Or at extremely high speeds, and depending on brake performance, etc. ! So, I guess, more of me thinking out loud !
@sirnewton6874
@sirnewton6874 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice! You Sir are a true craftsman. What ratio did you decide on?
@xpeterson
@xpeterson 3 жыл бұрын
So, since you’ve been working n it for so long, I suppose you put the engine in the rear before corvette did
@bassmith448bassist5
@bassmith448bassist5 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most reliable engines ever built. Gobs of horsepower and torque. I'd wager that even at max gross that airplane will practically leap off the runway. That's a beautiful build by the way. Are you planning on keeping her white??? Or are you going to give her a sexy paint job???
@robertphillips3078
@robertphillips3078 3 жыл бұрын
Really really nice job. The prop Noise was fabulous. Whats ur expected Top & Cruise Speed pls. Thx 4 sharing
@BudFox559
@BudFox559 3 жыл бұрын
That's really nice and it sounds amazing.
@matteopiras4773
@matteopiras4773 3 жыл бұрын
That's amazing !! Would it be possible to get in touch with the owner for more questions about this project ?
@jbj27406
@jbj27406 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that big stick on the transmission tunnel, so I assume it's a manual trans. Did you go with the Tremec T5 or the six-speed?
@KitplaneEnthusiast
@KitplaneEnthusiast 3 жыл бұрын
LOL now that's funny!
@jbj27406
@jbj27406 3 жыл бұрын
@@KitplaneEnthusiast Thank you, I just couldn't help myself. What a gorgeous full-out aircraft. Always loved the Velocity. Really, it's a personal time machine.
@SteveLarsen-gc3jn
@SteveLarsen-gc3jn 5 ай бұрын
Thanks been curious long time
@rileyswing9731
@rileyswing9731 3 жыл бұрын
What an unbelievable example. I need to meet this man. Perhaps I could fly into your airport??
@doncatch1
@doncatch1 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Enjoyed
@SGTMARSHALL1
@SGTMARSHALL1 2 жыл бұрын
What would be your expected fuel consumption when you drop it to 4 cylinders while cruising ? And why Dynon over Garmin ?
@watashiandroid8314
@watashiandroid8314 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time and effort to record and edit this update video, and thanks to Len as well! It looks like a lot of thought went into the interior, it's very nice and has a modern luxury/sport look that matches the plane. I'm wondering about the V8. Do you know if it can burn 100LL fine? Will it need an additive or limited run time on leaded gas?
@jtamsett
@jtamsett 3 жыл бұрын
I am sure it. Can with the right tune.
@TheOwenMajor
@TheOwenMajor 3 жыл бұрын
All autogas engines should have a lead scavaging additive added to leaded fuel. The lead will gum up any engine designed in this century.
@jameswiz
@jameswiz Жыл бұрын
What setup was used for the ECUs? Is that custom or off the shelf, and what system is it? Qre dual ECUs required? Also, could you have built this as a front prop, with the engine backwards? And what is your crusing Engine RPM?
@2thelimitandthensome
@2thelimitandthensome 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome build! I would like to know weight and balance of this velocity be compared to the weight and balance of the same model with a 300HP traditional aircraft engine? Is it similar?
@len3396
@len3396 3 жыл бұрын
The engine, drive, and radiator actually weigh slightly less than a Continental 550.
@alexrcastillo1977
@alexrcastillo1977 Жыл бұрын
wow.. this is awesome.. I want one .. lol.. when will we see it fly?
@kowkunt8710
@kowkunt8710 Жыл бұрын
What is the cost of reduction box ? Would a two blade prop work? Is your prop heated ? How many ft lbs of torque is your engine producing when your prop is at 2700 RPM? Is your engine t w in or single turbo? Is your crankshaft forged steel or cast? Cheers
@22tango0071
@22tango0071 2 жыл бұрын
Hi love it. Did you have to create special mods? I have a Velocity XL on order. I am thinking of the Continental desiel. thanks
@KitplaneEnthusiast
@KitplaneEnthusiast 2 жыл бұрын
That entire installation is a HUGE mod!
@22tango0071
@22tango0071 2 жыл бұрын
@@KitplaneEnthusiast thank you for the response. I can immanage the time spent. I was thinking I can do all the mods using a 3d print. I have over a year to fig it out. Thank you again
@pumarolz
@pumarolz 3 жыл бұрын
Finally some info on this plane
@youknoweverything7643
@youknoweverything7643 2 жыл бұрын
I flew in one that the interior seats and everything looks identical to a gt 40 racecar with 5 seats beautiful plan and interior was designed using real gt 40 interior panels and seats and all and fits with the whole look of the plane it's so nice and bad ass. But I love this one as well I want one bad
@johnfitzpatrick2469
@johnfitzpatrick2469 3 жыл бұрын
G, day Mark from Sydney Australia. * love the panel: unsure about the circuit breaker identified numbers, (what system is affected No 8 etc). * Run up against the hanger door: any nose rash? Thanks for the tour. 🌏🇭🇲
@KitplaneEnthusiast
@KitplaneEnthusiast 3 жыл бұрын
John, he has a page in what will be the flight manual that shows what each number is for. Maybe not the best system, but that's how it works. As for hangar door rash on the nose, check out the previous video I made about this plane. He has a retractable tie down "bumper" on the nose! So no scuffed paint. It's pretty clever how he did it.
@patway4683
@patway4683 3 жыл бұрын
That is awesome!
@inhocsigno9151
@inhocsigno9151 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, great airplane.
@michaelsanchez8457
@michaelsanchez8457 3 жыл бұрын
Does that MT prop have reverse? I think that is one of the coolest things. That is an amazing plane.
@cartmanrlsusall
@cartmanrlsusall Жыл бұрын
Interesting plane it's going to be a fast hotrod when it flies the exhaust right next to the prop?I'm sure it's fine but I'm not sure about that
@roryderbyshire4630
@roryderbyshire4630 Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@robertlafnear4865
@robertlafnear4865 3 жыл бұрын
NICE ! Plane 😁 Should be a darn fast ride across to Oshkosh (lol). Bet the guy that built the "Raptor" wishes he went with an LS motor..... now.
@awhite3713
@awhite3713 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, the Raptor guy has overpromised with no way of delivering for years, I'm not saying the cornfield was planned... but not saying it wasn't planned either 😉
@robertlafnear4865
@robertlafnear4865 3 жыл бұрын
An AH HA moment here....might be unto something 🤨 Let me ponder this a bit.
@Robert-mn8gc
@Robert-mn8gc Жыл бұрын
The 2 best engines 4 the Velocity Aircraft in my opinion are . A V8 ... thought the Corvette engine would push a 4 Blade ? And a Turbo Prop Engine . The V8 sounds awesome 👌 👏
@Robert-mn8gc
@Robert-mn8gc 2 жыл бұрын
Gr8 Job on Ur Velocity. Love ❤️ the V8 LS3. What is Ur expected cruise & top speed please. How much HP
@mikegirard4388
@mikegirard4388 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting that it makes more HP than the prop can handle. But out does sound cool. I suppose he might be able ot eventually get a higher performance prop that could handle it and change the gear reduction.
@bhhvvbvgyvbuvv
@bhhvvbvgyvbuvv Жыл бұрын
It's beautiful
@EGGSHL
@EGGSHL 2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how this could be possible!! Come to think of it, a supercharger definitely helps
@ThePinkPanth3r
@ThePinkPanth3r 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yes!!!! Woooo
@johntenhave1
@johntenhave1 Жыл бұрын
What does it weigh? And therefore what is the useful load, staying within the manufacturers mauw?
@markg4498
@markg4498 2 жыл бұрын
Wish you were my neighbor, I would be at your house helping every day
@williamwheeler4118
@williamwheeler4118 3 жыл бұрын
How fast? What's the range? How big are the fuel tanks? Total weight allowed? What's the cruise speed?
@nyrubin
@nyrubin Жыл бұрын
Love it
@kennethcohagen3539
@kennethcohagen3539 3 жыл бұрын
This is my life long dream! A fast aircraft that I can share with family and friends. The only thing I might change, is to go from the LS3 to a Gen III Hemi, and that’s mainly because it already has two spark plugs per cylinder. And anything with fuel injection can be modified to use twi injectors per cylinder. Redundancy can save your bacon. This plane is almost perfect, and it is for the cross country mission. But there are two missions that I want to fly. The other is search and rescue. The Zenair CH 750 HD fits the bill. With room for three I can fly with an observer while carrying emergency supplies that can be parachuted down to the victim. It could also extract one person if there is ample landing space anywhere. I have one question about the Velocity. What RPM are you running? What gear ratio are you using to maintain an effective prop speed?
@len3396
@len3396 3 жыл бұрын
Max 4100 rpm Cruse 3300 to 3700. 1.54 reduction
@len3396
@len3396 3 жыл бұрын
Redundancies: 2 ecu 2 fuel pumps 8 coils 8 plugs 8 injectors each wired independent of the others. Engine runs very well as a V4 on the ground…. We will see how that works in the air!!
@EatPezzzz
@EatPezzzz 3 жыл бұрын
@@len3396 But 2 crank position and cam sensors? Loose one of those and both ECUs are useless.
@ick79
@ick79 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome update!!!!! another request!!!! can you update again when it's in the air with some performance numbers? this is a build i have been thinking about for quite some time!!!
@KitplaneEnthusiast
@KitplaneEnthusiast 3 жыл бұрын
Zac, I’m planning on more updates anytime Len wants me to film the current status!
@ick79
@ick79 3 жыл бұрын
also want to follow this and see how the stinger drive does.... I have talked with them and autopsrus and still don't know what direction would be better... i think both are great products.... but they have a huge $$$ difference.
@erikpetersen3812
@erikpetersen3812 2 жыл бұрын
Super interested in this project. Building a Wheeler Express Series 90 Auriga and would love not to put an IO-540 in front of it. I'm curious of Len's challenges with the 'other' PSRU and watching how his Stinger drive runs. What gear ratio did he pick?
@ick79
@ick79 2 жыл бұрын
@@erikpetersen3812 that would be nice to know what the issues where with the first one... However in this close net community one must be careful when posting issues with a product (I know we all have good intentions for wanting the knowledge) but putting stuff like that out on the web can ruin a company fast when it may not have been a product issue but more of an implementation issue.
@erikpetersen3812
@erikpetersen3812 2 жыл бұрын
@@ick79 agree, even before the advent of youtube, twitter and facebook... Wheeler Express got a bad rap in print due to pilot error on a number of occasions and folded.
@MartinSage
@MartinSage 11 ай бұрын
Scary Power! Projected Cruise speed? Max?
@EatPezzzz
@EatPezzzz 3 жыл бұрын
I've built, tuned, and/or wired at least 100 LS swapped cars. I'll tell you now that the O2 sensors being 3" from the exhaust opening will not deliver anywhere near the correct readings to the PCM. They need to be as close to the collector as possible AND a minimum of 18" of exhaust pipe after the sensor.
@clarkstonguy1065
@clarkstonguy1065 2 жыл бұрын
You have a good point there. Pressure pulsations can create a surprising amount of reverse flow from the end of the pipe, and O2 sensors are EXTREMELY sensitive to ANY oxygen that finds its way in from the atmosphere when running stochiometric (as required to make a 3-way convertor work effectively on an automobile) or when running rich of peak to get maximum power out of an automobile (still legal for a few more years for production cars as catalyst temperature protection). Even 3-bolt flanges with missing gaskets or slip joints a few inches downstream of the O2 sensor can be a little problematic. If the ECM is relying on the feedback signal it should drive it to a much richer condition, so at least for takeoff power that is in a safer albeit lower power condition. Assuming wide range O2 sensors and setup to run lean of peak for maximum fuel range at cruise (as I certainly would) it should be less sensitive under that condition. But definitely something to be keenly aware of when setting up the fuel air ratio that the O2 sensors are probably lying...
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