costume design icks 👗 | things in movies + tv that make me go eeuuwww

[@violetception]

whenever they put an actor in a corset with no chemise/undergarments underneath an angel loses its wings

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

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[@mittenista]

Hollywood is to blame for so many fallen angels then

[@reebeesstorycorner]

I remember almost nothing from bridgerton season 1 but i remember a 10 second out of focus shot that included daphne not only wearing a corset without her chemise, but showing the chafing and bruises that would occur. Like? What???

[@cadaver6665]

​@@reebeesstorycornerThe worst part of Bridgerton is that they didn't even wear corsets in the Regency era. Their undergarments usually resembled a bra more, which makes perfect sense taking that the silhouette was as high waisted as could be. With that being the silhouette, there would be no point to tight-lacing. That show is filled with ill-fitting polyester dresses anyways.

[@reebeesstorycorner]

@@cadaver6665 There's sooooo many issues with bridgerton, but a lot of it i could forgive or wave off like the polyester or the half up/half down hairstyles. But the corsets make zero sense on every level even within the logic of that show rip

[@violetception]

bonnets, hair coverings, big hats, etc. are just peak costume design and opportunities to reveal more about the character, and it pains me that hollywood is so reluctant to use them

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

so many missed opportunities 😭

[@saladcaesar7716]

It’s because they wanna market the actor’s face. They want the actor’s face to be the first thing to remember not the hat. It sucks.

[@reebeesstorycorner]

i was so happy watching the latest emma and seeing all her bonnets and hats. capsule wardrobe be damned, the audience deserves all those hats

[@violetception]

@@reebeesstorycorner i nearly shed tears of joy when i watched emma (2020) for the first time lol. both for the amount of detail and artistic vision put into costumes/set and for being a damn good adaptation.

[@GC-gw7lc]

I love all the bonnets, period accurate hairstyling (which may look a bit strange through our modern lense), and big skirt dresses in 'The Piano' (1993) which are very historically accurate, make for extremely visually arresting silhouettes, and fits in with the character expression.

[@ten-ze1pq]

The fact that they had to cgi the movement of Belle’s skirt to compensate for its lackluster screen presence says A LOT!!! 😀😀

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

💀

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

Should have changed the color to gold too

[@chairliftphilospher5710]

wait WHAT?!

[@peepeepoopoo8416]

And even then it STILL looks lackluster

[@carag2567]

They also used CGI to make the hems of each layer appear shiny instead of just trimming them with satin. You know, the way Disney's animators drew it in the first place 🤔🙄😂

[@theartvoyager]

The fact is that Padma and Parvati Patil weren't even wearing lehenga's or sarees in the ball. They had robes, and they showcased their culture through bangles, minimal Indian jewellery, and colours. They were wearing turquoise and pink robes, and they were eye-catching, the way the dates of the two most important characters of the book should. Their dresses were elaborate in the books, because, you know, THEY WERE THE DATES OF RON AND HARRY , after whom the books and movies are literally named after

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

The movies have huge costume problem with getting rid of robes already. They could have been so amazing and shown us the culture! Hopefully the new adaptation will have robes

[@lost_comment]

Totally agree about Margot Robbie's outfits but most especially her hair! I would not think the film was set in the 1920's just by looking at her.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

oh yes don't get me started on the hair lol

[@adhyashetty5667]

Also every other character was in 1920's adjacent clothing - so she looked even more off

[@ginacamargo7053]

I think I read somewhere that the director said that he wanted Margot to be inspired by studio 54, which seems odd to me because the whole point of the movie was to be a tribute to the 1920s Hollywood. I just didn’t care much for this movie seem more show than substance

[@OlafavonGoeding]

I absolutely do not understand that choice. It's a movie about 1920's era Hollywood so why did he not make them look the part wtf ​@@ginacamargo7053

[@maggi4R]

And the make up too! Why do a period movie and just make the main character look like the 2020s

[@amyosborne9215]

Yes, agreed! They did Ariel dirty. I was so disappointed that she wasn’t given a princess dress moment. I wasn’t expecting a full on Dolly Parton extravaganza dress, but give us something special Disney. I also love to see women wearing beautiful hats.

[@ThePrincessCH]

I think Disney these days is trying to opt away from the "girly" aspect of their films in favor of something more neutral.

[@Awaken12578]

Haven’t seen either version but I thought I seen pictures of her wearing a dress.

[@Mokiefraggle]

Especially since Ariel in the original animated film wore so many different dresses! The classic puffy-sleeved pink dress she wore to dinner the first evening, the little sailor-collared dress from the "Kiss the Girl" scene, the teal dress from when she crashes Ursula and Eric's wedding, and of _course,_ the absolute classic of the sparking silver dress as she rises from the ocean. How are they _seriously_ gonna reduce that fabulous wardrobe down to two dresses that look to be identical except for their color? T_T

[@AadhyanshLLP]

THERE WAS NO SAVING THE BELLE S DRESS WITH OR WITHOUT CORSET IT JUST WASNT IT

[@elizabethnavarre7972]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was underwhelmed... sigh..

[@tash4951]

literally 😭 the colour and fabrics chosen really made in such an underwhelming dress

[@echocheck]

I was a professional costume designer for 45 years. You have to remember that you are dealing with a lot of opinionated people. If your director trusts you , you are golden. BUT, if you are working with an idiot who knows nothing about history, you will be miserable. The notes about changes are the worst. Especially if they come from the producer or even worse, from the producer's girlfriend. If you are a good communicator, you MIGHT be able to convince people to see your way. But sometimes you just have to bow to the director's vision even if it is technically wrong. Plus, and this is a big plus, no matter how good or bad the project is, YOU are the one who has to take credit for it. Here is an example. I was doing a project and one of the stars decided to buy an outfit for his costar which TOTALLY did not fit in with the other costumes. The director was intimidated by the star and said nothing and begged me not to say anything, but I had to take credit for it and wouldn't you know, a critic mentioned in it her review. Not fun at all.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

ugh yea i totally understand! imagine a world where designs are granted freedom and appropriate budgets

[@suzylovesmambo]

That's crazy because can you imagine another creative on the team facing that kind of control? The producer's girlfriend ain't telling the lighting designer how to do his job.

[@echocheck]

@@suzylovesmambo When you are doing a modern costume project, everyone thinks they know more than you. You have more latitude with a period piece because then you are supposed to be the expert. But even then, you will get ridiculous notes. I never knew what notes the other technicians got. I had enough to deal with.

[@Siocpa]

Funny that you mention hats because HP was a saga where hats were unfortunately abandoned for the sake of "looking modern and cool". I remember how everybody in Diagon Alley was wearing witch hats in the first film, but afterwards they stopped making the characters wear hats, and not even McGonagall wore hers! I loved when Lucious Malfoy had the hat AND the hair bow in Chamber of Secrets, but afterwards they made all the wizards dress like regular people...what a waste of costuming...

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

i miss those witch hats!

[@NayLouise24]

The extras all looked colourful and weird in the first movie, like they should. After few movies in, everyone’s in modern three piece suits…. They were supposed to dress completely differently to muggles. After the first movie, a lot of the visual magic was gone. The first had this whole feel of magical world.

[@suzylovesmambo]

People loooooove Alfonso Cuarón, but he killed the witchy aesthetic of the first two movies, and it made it boring and modern looking, two things you don't want a fantasy to be.

[@lapisinfernalis9052]

Oh yes. I completely adored the first 2 movies because it really looked like the wizarding world was a bit behind in sense of fashion. And then, they made everyone look the same and totally 1990s.... Lucius had so much style. You instantly knew he was a wealthy man, but in the later movies he's just a dude in a suit like every other Death Eater. I hope they don't make this mistake with the TV series.

[@l.m.hammond1927]

Another costume pet peeve of mine: Referring to stays as a corset and treating them as such by tight-lacing! The traditional corset didn’t come out/become popular until around the Victorian era, so anything from the Regency era and earlier should be referred to as stays.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

Oh yes a good one!

[@laurabayford1987]

Literally! If you pulled on stays like that they'd rip. They were fabric with very minimal- non metal- boning.

[@HinataUchihaInuzuka9]

And, like, even corsets weren't tight-laced! If actresses are having a shit time wearing them is because: 1) They are getting tight-laced on hours on end when every day stays/corsets shouldn't be. 2) They are shoving them in said corsets/stays without them a) seasoning the damn things and b) being used to being in a garment that effectively changes how you move, sit, walk, breathe, etc. Stays and corsets end up adopting the silhouette of the person wearing them over time because of the pressure puts on the garment and (in corset's case) whalebone and metal heat up with the body heat and change shape over time. 3) THEY PUT THEM IN STAYS/CORSETS WITHOUT UNDERGARMENTS!! Because they sexualise the stays/corsets (even when they try to make them seem as if they were a patriarchal torture devise, thus, not subverting the false narrative they're trying to pain) like they do normal undergarments, they need the actresses to not wear a proper undergarment like a chemise or a pair of combinations. Of course a rigid, unseasoned, tight-laced garment would hurt the skin!! They are not made to be touching the skin!! Which leads me to 4) These actresses are not used to these garments and they're expected to stay in them for up to 16 hours a day? They'd have a fighting chance if a) the garments weren't tight-laced, b) they were properly seasoned, and c) they had the proper undergarments. But, alas, they aren't... which leads to the women (more often than not) suffering because of stupid ass reasons. Which in turn leads to actresses (who rarely know any better) to disparage about corsets and how horrible they are and how they are anti-feminist. It just creates misinformation because they were forced into garments incorrectly.

[@intothemagic]

The opening scenes for Bridgerton annoy me for this reason. Tightlacing a pair of long stays just to wear a dress that hides the waist is an insane thing to include. It doesn’t even make sense from the perspective of a person who isn’t that interested in historical fashion.

[@christopherpitcairn8617]

On The Little Mermaid - as someone who was DEEP in the fandom at the time, the loss of the silver seafoam dress hit so hard; Mainly because everyone just assumed it would be there, as it's such a big moment from the original film, but also at the time Mattel had put out a "Transformation" doll that had a slightly different dress design than the one used in the film (sleeveless with a higher corset and longer ruffled skirt) that everyone assumed was based on the new silver dress. Turns out, it was a bit of a mix between the blue dress in the film, and an unused concept for Ariel's mermaid form. Also, in a slightly ironic twist, Halle actually found wearing the corset pretty comfortable, she described it as a firm hug XD

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

"firm hug" is hilarious

[@petloverspy]

Honestly! I recently wore a corset for a full day (underbust only) for the first time, a day which included several hours of sitting on a random log in a mermaid tail and late in the evening some light outdoor clubbing, and I was a little worried it might get to me as I’m very sensitive about pressure around my stomach/chest. Guess what? I was SO glad I wore it because it provided natural back support during the seated hours with no back rest 😂 Didn’t hamper my mobility in any significant way except for that I couldn’t simultaneously sing AND dance, and provided good support to rest my heavy belt on. And that was only my very first time wearing it, imagine how it’ll be once I’m actually used to it! Proper steel-boned thing, I love it.

[@mileaposdaughter]

As an Indian I've always hated the way they dress South asian people in western movies, specially in Hollywood. Till this day it hasn't improved, even NRI Indians who are born outside India dresses in decades old Indian fashion. An Indiam without 0 fashion sense even wear better ethnic clothes than all these combined. And about harry Potter, "following the trends of the time???? 🤣🤣UK still dress indian characters the same way as before! Please! And 00s fashion trend were NOTHING LIKE THIS.

[@minervarose7664]

Completely agree, those clips of Maduri, Aish, Karishma etc were all from 90s/ early 2000s and absolutely stunning! Nothing like the sad outfits worn by the twins in HP...

[@mittenista]

I remember Indian fashion in the 90's - bold colors being very in, as well as a lot of this western fusion kind of thing. For fancy occasions, shiny embellishments were (and continue to be) a huge thing. The flat, ugly, colors of the sisters' dresses, the limp skirts with no fullnes or *swoosh*, the cheap looking fabric with no border, sequins, embroidery, etc, the skinny, tightly pinned dupatta - it's giving The Help. I know that Hermione's supposed to be the belle of the ball here. But that doesn't mean you need to dress the two brown girls like servants. Even in the 90's, no Indian girl was wearing those shit outfits when they want to look fancy. And no Indian mother would let them. What would people think? It would be an embarrassment! I hope that costumer designer knows that she has brought shame to Parvati's mom.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

ooof i know!!! it's aggravating bc fleur has a normal dress (that doesn't overshadow hermione's). why don't padma and parvati get the same treatment?!

[@rvaviima]

Oh boy, googling or looking at Pinterest even once... a lehenga or a formal saree could have been so gorgeous!

[@Idontkmowwhatshappening]

How tf did they design that red dress and think it looked even ok for the 1920s like there is so much you could do to show of her character without putting her in a random party dress you found on shein, at least add some jewelry.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

some jewelry was very much needed!

[@Thobela-h3x]

Omg, when l said that l disliked her hair and red dress people looked at me like l was crazy. It looked so out of place to me. It took me OUT of that movie, and l never came back into it. I think l just found my tribe over here 😂😂😂

[@esverker7018]

@@gimmepuffsleeves I think about the costumes in Ms. Phryne Fisher's Murder Mysteries. It was also 1920s, but they showed that the main character was outlandish and bizarre while still keeping with the silhouette of the time. And they made that point best when standing next to actually average 1920s outfits, rather than having her dress just as badly as everyone else in a weird party scene.

[@kirstenpaff8946]

The Harry Potter costumes are weird, because you can definitely tell when they switched directors. In the first two movies the designers were told to create a timeless magical world and muggle clothing that was not obviously from any time period so that the costumes wouldn't look dated in the future. Starting in the third movie, the designers were suddenly told screw looking timeless, make every character look cool and trendy to the theater audience. Suddenly the kids were running around in Muggle clothing 60% of the time.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

oh yes the switch is very obvious!

[@LifeUntilLove]

It is actually when I stopped watching the movies. As an avid book fan, child me was very offended they were dressed like muggles all the time. It is supposed to be a magical world, not a gang of teens at the mall.

[@ayannaaah6563]

the inaccuracies to the book were so staggering it wasn't even just the costumes. i read all the books last year and this year, then watched the movie for each book right after finishing it to compare and even the littlest details that didn't need to be changed were unnecessarily altered. even when they were sitting in the great hall for breakfast, lunch or dinner, everyone was jumbled and sitting wherever when they're SUPPOSED to sit according to their houses. the costume design was just one of the many problems with the adaptations.

[@madelinedelarche4543]

Honestly the switch to muggle clothes + letting the kids style their uniforms however they want made it feel MORE realistic to me. And their clothes are all pretty basic (jeans and sweaters, usually), so it doesn't feel offensively out of date to me

[@esterfederico0906]

The movie vibes went from "modern fantasy whimsygoth" to "basic dark academia"

[@raeoverhere923]

I was baffled when I saw the dress Emma Watson was in, both in Harry Potter _and_ Beauty and the Beast! I was both alive and conscious in the 90s, and Hermione's dress screams mid-aughts. And for Belle, who in the world looked at the gathered panels in the 1991 animation and thought "oh yeah, organza will totally work here"?

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

the pinking shears-esque edges kill me too

[@ashleyj1623]

The way I almost bust out laughing when you said at least Cho Chang didn't have chopsticks in her hair! The bar is so low! And yes will forever be annoyed at how they dressed the twins. Those leghas were something I would wear to a regular church Sunday not a ball!

[@sonny423]

ppl excusing the harry potter costuming as being "on trend for the 90s" have to be too young to remember how those movies were FIRMLY set in contemporary trends at the time they were coming out in the mid 2000s. all the muggle clothing for the teen characters was super modern for the time, including hermione's pink dress and curly updo which was such a homecoming dance type look. the movies were not costumed as if it was in the 90s and i dont even think they are explicitly set in the 90s the way the books are. all the boys in my school had the floppy goblet of fire hairstyles like the boys in the movie at the time 😅

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

I wanna retweet this a thousand times

[@jesuscarrascososa5049]

you're right the books takes place in the 90s but in the movies obviously not

[@minervarose7664]

Agreed, but either way those outfits were not even representative of glamorous Indian party wear in the 90s, so idk what they were going with.

[@Siocpa]

@@minervarose7664 They were making them simple on purpose so that Hermione's dress would stand out in comparison. You have to understand that her dress was very likely designed so that it was trendy as well as easy to replicate for marketing purposes. When you have to make replicas for little dolls or costumes for girls to buy at the theme parks you cannot add bead work, or lace, or anything too expensive or complicated because the price would go up, and since her dress is already quite boring, the rest of the costumes need to be even more boring so as not to outshine her. That's why the outfits look so plain and flat, because anything other than a plain white t-shirt would probably look better. Heck, even Ginny's costume look like a princess costume that a kid would wear for Halloween rather than an actual prom dress!

[@Siocpa]

Right! Tho specifically this started with the third film, when they wanted to shed the kiddie reputation to appeal to teens. It's why they went digital, why they changed directors and why there's so many silly jokes that look out of place. They specifically went out of their way to change the costume designer to make them contemporary, which is why Hermione wears pink from PoA onwards. IMO the contrast with the set was an excuse since it was likely that the dress's colour was chosen beforehand as part of Hermione's new pink palette. The 90's periwinkles and silvery blues (the same blues that were chosen for Beauxbâtons, who were supposed to be super chic even in the books!) would not be trendy anymore, which is why they were scrapped for her but not necessarily for other elements of the films.

[@Lucy101-ji2lr]

Omg yess! I love a big fancy hat, its so sad that some directors won't use them in period films even though they are historically accurate

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

if we can't have fancy hats in real life, we should at least have them in our media

[@reebeesstorycorner]

I have an entire discord channel dedicated to me screencapping movies and the extremely rare comic that uses hats or bonnets lol. Not even accurate ones, just their existence is enough for me to get excited

[@dawg3334]

so glad you brought this up: 3:00. traditional outfits are cool when people are mature enough to appreciate them, but imagine going to high school in them. just showing pictures of traditional filipino clothing at school, like the flipiniana, caused kids to start giggling. a friend of mine also wore a filipinana at a school cultural fair, and her students laughed, asking if she was a football player. i imagine i'd get laughed off the grand march if i had worn one to my first prom lol.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

it's an unfortunate reality that many ppl have experienced, but i'm always happy to see those who start embracing their cultural clothing again

[@MayaBell]

I’ll always defend the corset tight lacing scene in Mirror Mirror. They saw how ridiculous those kinds of scenes are and said let’s ramp it up to 200%

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

i need to rewatch that scene now

[@CharlotteProduces]

When you said outfit repeating, I was genuinely expecting it to be the live-action Cinderella. The costuming is beautiful, I just can’t understand why Lily spends SO much time in the blue day dress, even after her father dies and they actively point out how much time has passed. To me it would have made more sense to see her in at least a couple of different dresses before he dies, and then keep her in the same day dress afterwards

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

that's fair! especially after he just died since she had other clothes. the outfit repeating (but w/ different outfits lol) makes more sense for her since her stepmother cuts her off and doesn't get her anything new

[@VaryaEQ]

I think they did well with her never getting new clothes. If you watch, slowly that dress becomes dirtier, faded, torn, and even her hair becomes knotty. Essentially, she wasn't given anything - not even time to bathe - after her father died.

[@CharlotteProduces]

@@VaryaEQ yeah that was my point… it made sense not to change her dress after her father died, but what about before? I don’t know if they were going for simplicity to contrast the stepsisters, but to only see her in the blue dress before her father dies didn’t make a huge amount of sense

[@fernydyke]

@@CharlotteProducesmaybe it was to give her a signature color?

[@Mokiefraggle]

@@fernydyke This. All the Disney princesses have over time been associated with a specific signature color, and Cinderella's is pale blue. It makes sense that they'd keep her in that same shade throughout, and I feel like they want to keep narrowing the characters in the live-action remakes down to fewer outfits than their animated counterparts had, though I've no idea why. I'm also slightly confused at why her ball gown was such a dark shade of blue, when the signature color for her is usually pale blue (as people constantly mistake the animated film's silver gown for, due to the initial transformation scene being in the blue-tinted night-time palette), but it's still a damn fabulous dress.

[@sullicakes]

i agree w you a lot w the hat section like it feels like no one wants to wear hats anymore, just accessories in general like necklaces, watches, gloves, scarfs it’s annoying they add personality to the outfits and to the characters too

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

seriously! accessories add so much to an outfit

[@alyalvarado1667]

When you said hats, my mind IMMEDIATELY went to the same Titanic scene. Like it adds to the moment so perfectly, really emphasizes the grandeur and how rich the society Rose comes from is. I feel like even though realistically people would wear hats WAAAAY more, we can have more hats in historical/fantasy pieces just for smaller moments like in Titanic. I don't think Rose spends most of the film in the hat, so it is just the right amount as the main character. You had a short moment of Damsel in this for corsets/period undergarments, but I would have to say that while it did start that way, we saw a bit of a subversion in that film because the main character slowly deconstructs her dress, using bits and pieces of it to help with wounds or climbing or stabbing. I thought it was kind of clever how we're used to seeing the clothing as restricting and patriarchal, but it kind of ends up being what saves her in the end. Costuming def went all out for that film, and I'm glad, since the storyline itself was pretty weak, it seems most of the budget went to costuming and filming on actual locations.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

re: Damsel, that's very true. thank you for pointing that out! love the busk usage as well.

[@esverker7018]

Honestly, the biggest problem with the Patel sisters' dresses is the color palette. The designers ignoring the source material and Indian fashion is one thing, but even the most ignorant costumer HAS to see that those colors clash horrifically with the wintery set. Why not pick a terrible dress in blue?? The choice can only be described as insane. No reason, no rhyme, pure colorblindness.

[@MissMisnomer_]

Yeah for me its definitely gotta be when historical dramas don't have hairstyles that are even REMOTELYT related to the time period the piece is supposedly referencing

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

Loose beachy waves no matter the time period 😂

[@almesivamoonshadow8805]

All the costumes in Reign. Huge ick. Ick of the century.

[@reebeesstorycorner]

Honestly I forgive reign since they said they barely had any budget comparatively, and a ton of their costumes were thrifted/repurposed and they were doing what they could. I'm not saying it was good, or that some of those wedding dresses in later seasons had any business being there, but certainly i can shut off that part of my brain for the first 2 seasons lol.

[@saprose]

Thank you! The Patil twins dress choices felt personal. Each region in India has unique designs- Metallic zari works and metallic embroideries with exquisite silk fabrics in Southern India, elaborate embellishments and flowy gowns with richly designed jewels of Northern India, to heavily embroidered and mirror worked colourful lehengas of Western India to colourful, eye catching contrast in skirts and handcrafted beautiful jewels of Eastern India. I remember watching HP4 for the 1st time (it's actually my fave movie) yule ball scene and being disappointed by the Indian dresses which seemed like inner petticoats rather than the final outfit lol. Blend in or Slay hard, please don't make them stick out in a weird way.

[@Bane_Amesta]

The Belle's dress belongs to Aliexpress and not even a million fairies could save it

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

sad but true

[@moonkenzie]

It's always clear when a man wrote a scene with corsetry. Corsets and stays are comfortable imo. I wear a spiral steel underbust to help with back pain. But on screen? Oh no, this is a torture device that no one would willingly wear ever! And they usually lace it wrong lol

[@poissillion]

this! A custom corset should not hurt when worn, when actresses complain that corsets hurt, they are just not properly made.

[@sierra8077]

I mean tight laced corsets were uncomfortable. There's plenty of women who write about that, like Laura Ingalls Wilder.

[@fantasyfiction101]

@@sierra8077tightlacing is super uncommon though - it was written about because it was seen as something that shouldn’t be done and the people who did were a little crazy.

[@ThePrincessCH]

@sierra8077 By tight laced, do you mean that someone kept lacing it too tightly, or is that the type of corset?

[@sapphiregold4195]

⁠​⁠@@ThePrincessCHtight lacing is the name of when a corset is being laced tightly.

[@iagonizante]

OMG thank you for talking about the tragedy that is Babylon's costume design! It's one of my friend's favourite movies and he just doesn't understand how much it pulled me out of the story to see her outfits be completely anachronistic. What's worse is that it was nominated for Best Costume design at the Oscars!! In what world???

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

at least it didn't win lol

[@nevaehaho61]

Elizabeth The Golden Age and Marie Antoinette from 2006 are my all-time favorite costume films and they have tons of historical inaccuracies. But it’s so good because it matches the tone of the film and most of the liberties are used to exaggerate the iconic beauty standards of their respective times. Elizabeth wasn’t literally wearing things that looked exactly like that (she even has a dress with sheer sleeves) but it’s believable and extravagant and evokes the time period and the boldness of her character. Same with Marie with her super tall hair extensions and wig pieces that blend into her natural hair and her forgoing of huge jewels in favor of youthful neck ribbons. It makes her feel a tad childish or naive which she is and while Marie’s hair didn’t look like that we still believe it. Literally perfect 🫶

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

both iconic movies with iconic costumes 💖

[@elevenandriver]

omg when u brought up outfit repeating and then the little mermaid i thought u were gonna bring up prince eric only having one costume the whole film!!!! i actually didn't mind ariel's dress coming back after her transformation but come on eric you're rich as hell!!!

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

the travesty!!!

[@angelagokool9514]

Are we not going to discuss how Emma Watson's bloomers were sticking out of her dress, in the live-action Beauty and the Beast?! This never would have happened in the animated movie! Watson had the worst reason for this choice: She figured that Belle would riding on horseback, so that why her dress was tucked up. She was only on horseback once, throughout the entire movie, and that was when she went to go find her father, after Beast had released her. Most of the time, she was on foot. Plus, she was still in her ballgown, whereas in the animated movie, she had changed back into her blue dress, when she had returned home, to take care of her father. Also, in the remake, after Belle had rescued her father from a lifetime in a mental institution, when she had left the village to return to the castle, she whipped off her dress, and spent the remainder of the movie, running around in her GODDAMN slip! Ugh! 😡She's not fully dressed until the end of the movie, during the ballroom scenes, in celebration of the prince and his subjects having been returned to normal. I understand that Watson has ADHD, but she shouldn't have so much say in costuming choices. Oh, and the ear cuff seemed out of place, considering the time period, the 17th century.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

i FORGOT about the bloomers and the ear cuff (must have blocked it out) 💀

[@ThePrincessCH]

I've heard that Watson wanted to make Belle more feminist.

[@Midknight_Fluff]

10:50 Oh! And also the plasticky look of some of the disney remakes like Mulan and Alladin 🥲 I'm glad they are using colors but... 😭

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

Ugh yes it looks so weird!

[@Midknight_Fluff]

@@gimmepuffsleeves Watching those films, I always thought that something was off and couldn't put my finger on why until I realize they were using digital cameras (more vibrant and clear) vs Cinderella (2015) which had used film cameras (softer and dewy)! Also, I think editing and changing color gradings might as well play a large part on the films' overall color schemes (T▽T)ノ

[@JakobMeier-jn4hg]

I have to say that I also don't like the costumes worn by men in many historical films. They often look modern, wear hardly any colour, hardly any interesting silhouettes and there are no hats, but long, modern pants. Not to mention the fabrics and jewellery, because that's also missing, even in times and places where men wore a lot of jewellery, lots of colourful and embroidered fabrics and sometimes kitschy accessories. And I don't know where this abcession comes from, that men wear so much leather in historical films. And that in times when most men only used leather for their bags and shoes. And also these open shirts, even in times when at most the collarbones would have been visible and there was no full-length button placket. If the men are to be portrayed in a sexy way, why not in a contemporary way? Or a way that makes sense for contemporary clothing, even if the sexiness is modern?

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

let men wear historically appropiate tights and colorful outfits! 😤

[@rosamariabest6069]

The skirt on Belle's dress looked like cheese slices.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

💀🧀💀

[@curly75]

I hate when in period pieces the outfits are vaguely reminiscent of the time period but obviously still trying to appease modern trends, because while we love that era so much, we wouldn’t dare go all in on the aesthetic because it would look ugly and old-fashioned, oh no! Then when it comes to hair and makeup they give up trying altogether and it’s completely modern

[@alishanightshade3270]

Yes! I don’t like the stereotype traditional clothings too. Especially for Chinese. I don’t understand why the western media always have to put them in red outfit. There’s way more colours than red and gold. Just like how people design Mulan. Not just her dolls, the other art always make her wears red but Mulan never wears red in her animation. Her signature colour should be green and blue. Like other Disney characters, belle would never design as wearing red, blue and white. Then why would a Chinese character need to wear red all the time.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

getting rid of the red and using the animated colors would be a nice homage to the original (esp since they did away with mushu, shang and the music!)

[@ThePrincessCH]

​@gimmepuffsleeves Getting rid of Mushu is technically accurate to Chinese culture. Dragons are a part of the culture, but for a time, they were mainly reserved for the emperor, though I don't think it's that problematic in a fantasy setting.

[@Mokiefraggle]

@@ThePrincessCH I mean, it's supposed to be a historic fantasy, though. That's part of why Disney decided the live-action one wouldn't have Mushu: the dragon as the symbol of the emperor made it kind of weird and awkward for it to be the wisecracking sidekick. Though they then slapped in a phoenix (the fenghuang, often misnamed as the "Chinese phoenix" is a symbol of the _empress),_ so it's still weird...not to mention the "witch," and all the weird misunderstanding of the concept of chi...it's a whole mess of "we watched a bunch of badly dubbed wuxia before we wrote this!"

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

There were some baller costume designers, pre-'49, who failed to get recognition for their incredible work - I can't believe it took them that long, tbh...

[@moritzmartini4132]

I personally have the (probably unpopular opinion) that it is sometimes really weird that (for movies/shows set in Britain or America) when for example there is a prom or sth that the main characters attend the white characters always wear "normal" standard prom dresses and the poc characters always have to dress and come in cultural traditional dresses. Like yes the diversity is nice and having the representation of a cute brown girl in a beautifully made saree is also nice, but it kinda gives off "othering" vibe meaning "you´re not white so you HAVE TO wear traditional dresses from your parents culture even if you were born and raised here. You can´t just wear a standard prom dress you HAVE TO wear a kimono or Saree"

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

YES THIS 1000%

[@walking-the-flower-path]

Regarding the live action remakes: I don't nerd them to be 1:1 copies of the original, so it's completely fine if they reimagine some of the costumes or scenes. That being said, what in the world was up with Belle's gown? As to Belle not wearing a corset because she's such an active character: I have seen pictures of women climbing actual mountains while wearing corsets, they were riding horses and doing all sorts of physical activities while wearing corsets. Just make sure that the corset actually fits the actress, have her wear a chemise underneath and you're good to go, the gowns will look much better.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

i literally just saw a photo of the outfits women used to wear while climbing!

[@amethyst_cat9532]

A lot of actresses complain about corsets because most directors don't care about getting one that actually fits. A well-fitting corset feels great, but an ill-fitting one feels AWFUL

[@lydiaedwards8813]

Yes when Micarah made a Belle dress I loved it soooo much more than the live action version!

[@reebeesstorycorner]

I will never forgive what they did in the live action beauty and the beast. i know its a cash grab i shouldnt take seriously, but they set it in my favorite fashion era with panniers and sack back dresses, how could they suddenly give us the most unimpressive, modern-looking prom dress? I'd have begrudgingly accepted a vaguely victorian looking gown, but the one belle wears in the ballroom scene makes no sense at all. Her wedding dress is somehow more impressive, and it still falls flat. Meanwhile bit characters with 2 minutes of screen time are in gorgeous, heavily detailed robes a la francaise, and their costumes aren't played for a joke. I love miss watson, but she absolutely lacks knowledge in costuming, and giving her so much control over the final gown in that scene did not turn out well.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

sad but true 😭

[@someone-you-do-not-know8522]

I did costumes for my high school’s yearly musical for a few years, and when we did Bonnie and Clyde, my three priorities was hats, on her skirts and ties. And it looked absolutely great! The hats added so much to make it look like the 1920s and 1930s!

[@brandyloutherback9288]

Margot Robbie in Babylon is just one big Ick for me!

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

🫣

[@candy-vintageghoul13]

Why would you make a Emily Bronte, Jane Austen, or Little Women film if you hate bonnets?!😭

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

seriously?!

[@rebeccallanes797]

Every time I see corset slander just to show that this character is a “feminist” I get so aggravated

[@SirenAlpha]

why? the dress reformers were suffragists and first wave feminists, it's historically accurate for feminists to be against corsets

[@Siijiska]

Oh, I love when they repeat outfits! It adds so much realism!

[@pinkdolly]

I actually appreciated the Indian representation in Harry Potter

[@Whimorbood]

My ick is whenever the filmmakers know something is a myth or a stereotype but dont want to show how it really looked like, because thats not what the audience expects. For example horns on viking helmets or this gritty and dirty look while vikings were so clean europeans were worried that these well groomed frequently bathing men with well kept hair will take their women from them. The only exeption i understand is probably searies Asterix and Obelix which is fictional and the horns are a part of the designs. I think it kind of ties into the corset slander, people expect a fainting scene or tightlacing and they will get it. Some directors refuse to educate themselves and may even hurt the actresses (lets be honest men are not wearing corsets even tho they were highly fashionable) by making a corset in whatever size. OR even putting zero padding, it was all about a shape and not about taking an incredibly skinny actress and tightlacing her.

[@PoisonIvy-1138]

As an Indian girl, I can tell you how much so many of us hated the Patil twins outfits too BUT my sis and I were laughing once at how if we asked our parents for new outfits at that age they totally would’ve told us to just wear our Indian clothes and just switch skirts/scarves to make it “fancy” (just like they look like they did 😂)… so I thought they picked awful lenghas for them but at least that felt real. 🤣

[@mountainjune]

'Headbands' on men in movies do look pretty bad, but when there not just supposed to imply that this character is athletic, they are actually functional. 'Head bands' are actually 'sweat bands', my Dad would wear a bandana tied like a sweat band like that, every time he was working hard outside and he knew he'd sweat a lot. The band would keep the sweat out of his eyes. It's why you'll see them on athletes too. In most cases they're functional, but yeah... they can look kinda cringe, especially on Ken. And YES, totally agree on the HAT's assessment, we need more hats in our historical and fiction movies.

[@BethRang]

That dress from Babylon gave me 1970s disco vibes. 🕺

[@cheetoprincess]

Yes! I totes agree with these, especially the corsets/stays and hats. I love putting a hat on an actor, it can do so much!

[@leoniebarkakati2035]

Thank you for voicing the thing I've been feeling all along! Yes, the live- action Disney movies have been so underwhelming. It feels like they are trying so hard to make a statement when the original movies made the same statement so much better

[@ThePrincessCH]

The issue is that Disney's live action remakes are attempting to address the criticisms that the studio has been getting for a while. For example, their Princess franchise has been criticized for encouraging harmful feminine stereotypes.

[@madis6780]

I always thought Belle's dress was velvet like rich expensive curtains. Since all the furniture is alive it makes sense to me that her dress is also part of the decor.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

Ohh yea that's a great thought!

[@starlinguk]

If you want a particularly nasty case of the ick, watch the Sissi films. Set in Victorian times but not a corset in sight. Second generation Indian people in the UK would absolutely wear traditional clothing, by the way.

[@matrixiekitty2127]

I’m with on your take with historical inaccuracy. It’s not all horrible, it’s excusable when it’s done tastefully. But I feel a lot of these historical inaccuracies come from a lack of research and care. You’ve gotta know the rules before you break them, if you’re gonna make stylistic choices you’ve gotta know what the original style you’re making a spin on in the first place! It’s why I love Crimson Peak’s costumes so much! They’re stylized but you can tell they did incredible research!

[@dazey8706]

this video was so incredibly real. i HAVE indeed been on historical fashion side of yt and have fallen for the bonnet propoganda. but youre so right we need wayy more hats in general. lighting is not even an excuse its notttt that disruptive lets be fr. also i did not even realize how badly i need a babylon costuming critique and maybe even a video on how youd style them instead! i couldnt quute put my finger on why i couldnt quite lose myself in babylons world despite it being pretty amazing cinematically and set dressing wise. alsooo i love ur chemise and corset combo i think u should do fit check twirl before ur videos start. beautifully edited video kudos♡

[@avengerwidow9]

I haven’t watched babylon but i totally agree with what you said about margot robbie’s outfits in the film… i was actually quite shocked when you said the film took place in the year 1926 because none of her costumes look anything distinctly like they’re from the 1920s. and even if it was a deliberate choice by the director to not make any of the costumes traditional-looking, they could have at least retained a little bit of the vibe from that period. the best example i can think of of a modernized take on 1920s fashion is the costume design from baz luhrmann’s great gatsby film. although some of the pieces worn by characters in the film were haute couture from prada, the styling looked like something straight out of a 1920s fashion plate (albeit with more embellishments and pizzazz). the anachronisms in the costume design of the great gatsby were deliberate but still managed to reconcile our modern view on 1920s fashion and its original form and aesthetic. i wish the costume designer for babylon had looked to that film for inspiration because what she created instead was kind of a hot mess 😐

[@CrystaICupid]

I agree with the first one except for Ryan, He rocked that headband 😂

[@Mr-Larry-xoxo]

Hi Kathy! I'm not someone who likes to comment on KZbin videos, but I'll make an exception this time. I'm a gay man in a conservative household and a student in a very elitist university. I love femininity, fashion and movies but is hard to express it in my daily life. Today I feel particularly alone after my family and some classmates make fun of me. Fortunately I found your video and I feel happy, even if it was just for a moment. Thank you for help me❤

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

Larry! 😭 i hope you eventually get to a place where you'll be accepted and be free to enjoy whatever makes you happy 💖

[@ChrisBrooks34]

This is not a costume. It's just a historical ick, and its usually the hair. It feels as though they're never willing (or not enough movies I've seen) are willing to do the interesting updos. To like curl the hair properly to pin it in place. And if the actor doesn't want it, get them a good wig like why is everybody having these weird beach waves. That's not how their hair is supposed to look like.

[@xoxojhjhhh1740]

The excuse of ✌following trend✌huh!??..The 90s had a trend of mixing indian ethnic with western fashion. To be accurate we would've seen padma parvati in fitted sleeveless or strap blouses scraf around their necks(not in whatever style that was) and mermaid style lehngas, their hairs would've been curled to shoulder length and only be wearing earings so no bindis no bangles. They put the girls in whatever they think indian clothes is and was nothing but tracky. Even in recent show "never have i ever" Whatever devi was wearing was utter disappointment. Also like someone tell hollywood to let the trend of putting stones as bindi go. Its been 25 yrs put those stones down

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

i would have loved a fusion outfit that incorporates both traditional and modern elements!

[@minervarose7664]

Completely agree with the HP characters but i don't think Never Have I Ever Devi character was styled too bad...she looked like a typical teenager

[@ريحانة-و8ك]

see as an immigrant teen i LOVE fancy outfits that combine elements of where you came from and where you are now, because they're both home in a way, so i love cho chang's dress. but they did the twins NASTY, those outfits look like something you'd wear to clean the house - it's so sad because they could have done so much with it, desi clothes are gorgeous. i think it's a really common mistake actually because when western designers do deign to use eastern clothing, they often don't understand literally what's fancy and what's not, because what's fancy for them is semi-fancy to smart casual for us, etc.

[@akechijubeimitsuhide]

A few of mine: - roman senators all wearing toga praetexta (the fancy toga with the tyrian purple border) when it was only for higher-ranking magistrates - actresses with shitty shoulder length hair(and often visible roots) in a historical drama. give them extensions or a wig. - not a single Landsknecht in sight ever - armour styles that won't be invented until several centuries later - no chemise / shift under stays or corsets. no wonder the actresses are complaining!

[@glam_narcissus66]

when you mentioned repeating outfits I almost immediately thought of the little mermaid remake, seeing that final moment of her in that distressed dress in theaters was so underwhelming

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

i'm so thankful i didn't see it in theaters 😵

[@serenawiita]

I agree with the corset section, the only one I will argue for though is Pirates of the Caribbean, if Elizabeth grew up in the Caribbean then it’s really unlikely that she’s experienced a corset before and obviously the climate there is much different/hotter than in Europe, European women there usually went without corsets because of the heat. The maids also probably didn’t know what they were doing either, so I think taking that into consideration makes it make a little more sense that she would pass out.

[@susknot4596]

Also, about Padma and Parvati Patil’s clothing, that color combination has actually been done well in Indian clothing. These clothes were just not great.

[@ArrowOdenn]

I don't get the lack of corsetry in Belle's dress at all. She's not riding, or running, or even sitting awkwardly, she's dancing in a ballgown. They are literally designed for dancing waltzes in. Without bodice structure it looks simultanuously flat and like it might fall off her. And the yellow shade they chose (or the colour correction) is horrible.

[@blobthebuilder8031]

Pink n orange is a classic in indian fashion. They just got the wrong shades.

[@sariahd5083]

I still have my metal butterfly clips from the 90s. They were built to last.

[@jesuscarrascososa5049]

That's why I don't like 2019 Little Women, it looks awful that anyone aren't wearing an accurate costumes and even the hairstyles, why emma wore a 2012 prom hairstyle? doesn't makes sense

[@lapisinfernalis9052]

Mine is (in addition to corset slander) the overuse of leather in medieval or fantasy movies.

[@NihilisticJawbreaker]

I get so upset when they mix different cultures and time periods!

[@AmaraEmme]

I hope the harry potter remake features the most beautiful lehengas

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

fingers crossed!

[@a.egodoy7745]

I will say, IRT hats: our lord and savior Sandy Powell designed hats for a Queen Victoria movie and the women in that wear bonnets and hats … but! they’re designed with a mesh/lace material so we still see their faces and the lighting isn’t a problem and I thought that was so genius! Not accurate but so beautiful to look at. Sandy Powell never lets me down.

[@CostumeMetamorphosis]

Thank you for bringing such high-quality content! 👍👏

[@jasminexie379]

I love Cho’s prom dress!

[@co7314]

To me, it's the excessive fake tan (and/or fake lashes) in 19th century nobility. Example, Alicia Vikander in Anna Karenina.

[@biazacha]

Cinderella remains the only Disney live action that actually worked.

[@belladonnacrow5775]

If you want a gorgeous live action Belle dress, go look at the costume design for Once Upon A Time. They knocked it out of the park with Belle's dress and it blows my mind away every time I see it (also: the costume design for Once is stunning in general. I could talk for hours about it)

[@sacha3296]

the live action little mermaid costumes made me upset. they missed out on so many outfits it was insane. i dont understand what the problem with disney is as cinderella the very first princess live action did so well in costuming

[@tenderwall]

just went back from rewatching the hp saga bcs i totally forgot that katie leung does have a heavy scottish accent, thank u sm for reminding me (and for this great video)

[@TheGabygael]

something i liked about the first season of outlander is the fact that most scenes showing a piece of 18th century corsetry are scenes of Claire putting on her own stays in the most casual way ever, i.e. the modern viewer's POV character, who lived through the time when women started to stop wearing "corsets" in favor of even softer garments, who has a worldview that is even more modern than her contemporaries, and who's written like a "not like other girls" type of character, puts her stays on every morning, shoves the busk in for comfort, gets dressed and goes out the door without ever once mentioning how "patriarchal" it is. Claire has other things to worry about than having to wear an article of clothing, Claire approaches the situation with curosity and adaptability, Be like Claire about the belle debacle, there was an article of clothing in the 18th century, that was a really notably french thing to wear, that provided support, that was comfortable and was mostly worn by working class people, that the elite really fashionably gravitated towards and likely wore regularly behind closed doors : the Blanc Corset (lit. white corset) also known as Jumps in english. Why did they put her in the most ugly caraco known to mankind and not a pair of jumps (also it was frown upon to wear your jumps visibly in public, so having her wear a pretty embroidered or patterned pair of jumps would have made her look modern anddistinct from others)

[@GerryIsNear]

I liked Cho’s dress, and liked the details like the collar while not making it a standard qipao. I’m kind of saddened when Chinese diaspora feel like they wouldn’t want to wear cultural outfits or explore cultural art at all, since the qipao or things like pottery does have a lot of baggage. It probably would’ve demonstrated multiculturalism more if there were a male Scottish student who wore a kilt to the ball to make it so that it was not only WOC who were wearing a cultural outfit.

[@itstherudy]

I am always on board for talking about the atrocities that are the live action Disney princess dresses. All the money in the world n they still can't hire a good designer (or writers)?! It was tragic how they cheaped out on Ariel's wardrobe (such a beautiful skin tone didn't get to sparkle enough in human clothing ), how they added those garish peacock feather designs on Jasmine's pants (it was fine on the veil but overzealous on the pants), n Belle's ballgown, the worst offender of all the live action remakes, was just misfiring on all cylinders. 🥀

[@gryffinclaw]

I'm Bengali and I remember how I felt so offended by the costumes of the Patil twins. Not only was the colour combination so bad but also Indian clothes, especially lehenga and saris for parties, are way more beautiful, with elaborate designs and certainly don't look like cheap mismatched scraps the way they showed in GoF. The entire thing is a stereotype of how white people view Indian clothes and styles to look like. Also the makeup and hairstyles are also pretty.... stereotypical too? The way both twins have the same boring hairstyle. Young women nowadays don't wear clothes, makeup and hairstyles like that 😭 They didn't do the bare minimum of research.

[@Rumade]

I'm from an area which is about 50% British Asian. At my prom in 2006, many of the girls wore lengha or saris. My prom dress was lace and I got snagged on a heavily beaded friend!

[@lilavrillover]

So happy to see an @possessedbyhorror shout out, I've been watching Sara for a decade now so pleased to have stumbled across this video

[@NightAtTheOpera3]

I will never forgive Emma Watson for what she did to Belle.

[@9786oof]

I thought this was a moderngurlz video when i saved it to my watch later

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

love moderngurlz so much

[@9786oof]

@@gimmepuffsleeves me too! im glad your thumbnail made me think you were her because i like your content too

[@SilveryRow]

Ooh, I have another one! Male protagonists in anachronistic leather trousers, leather jackets, vests to make them look 'cool'. Yeuch.

[@akechijubeimitsuhide]

Oh, that. BBC Robin Hood is so guilty of this. Guy of Gisborne is running around in black leather and looking like some grundge/metal star from the 90s or so. I mean, Im not complaining bout a sexy young Richard Armitage in leather, but this is medieval England. One episode has a dude in a generic cowboy outfit that would be ridiculous anywhere past old-school John Wayne movies (and there is a modern casino, too). Marian has a cardigan that could pass for modern streetwear.

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

Gotta add slicked back hair, sunglasses and a cigarette for good measure.

[@brokebaddieboutique]

Can we bring back fancy hats in the modern era please? 🙏👒 LOVE this one 5:58

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

it would look so good in other pastel colors too 😭

[@selkiefluff]

When I was a kid pink and turquoise were my favorite colors, I was so excited to see the Patil sisters' dresses and then it was... this. Not to mention they looked so samey. It was even bigger of a shock since as a non-English speaking kid I did not realize while reading that they were supposed to be Indian haha (now they names seem obvious)

[@h.s.l6875]

I'm subscribing right now. Loved your video, you are a sensible lady.

[@PriscillaV1964]

Gotta break your heart here, . . . Those Pink and Orange Winter Ball dresses, . . . In the 90's my SIL and I had to find an outfit for her daughter in her favorite colors, Pink, Orange, Yellow and Red. We thought we wouldn't find anything. We were wrong. Not only was there "an outfit" there was an entire Juniors department of it. Words can not describe the sensory assault that 90's fashion was, . . . especially Teen Fashion.

[@_noctivagus_]

I'm south asian, have been to a lot of weddings, and even one where I was a bridesmaid and got a sari made for it in east london - I never would've guessed those really boring and clashing saris the patil twins got were made in the same circumstances as mine 💀 whoever sold them that did a good job ripping them off ig

[@gimmepuffsleeves]

I believe they were custom made by someone in East London according to the Tatler Asia interview 💀

[@sasariwtf]

Its almost as if Disney doesn't actually care about the live action remakes and they're just making cheap remakes to profit off peoples nostalgia and sell the same thing that already sold so well to a newer generation :0 Who would have thunked.