Could A Chinese Naval Force Strike The US Mainland West Coast At San Diego? (WarGames 79a) | DCS

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[@grimreapers]

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[@thegungadfly8930]

The San Diego base would be empty because all their ships would be out tracking the Massive Chinese presence.

[@Gamerz-zx3hz]

At least active weapon systems

[@Squirl513]

So is that giving justification for their aircraft being scramble ready?

[@kellywalker9268]

Did you listen to first 2min of the video?

[@CombatIneffective]

Not all of them. This is homeport. Some are in for repairs, replenishment, refits, etc. The sailors live in the area would still need time to get their bags, get on the ship, get ready for sea, cast the lines, and get out of the narrow port entrance.

[@michaeljohnson4258]

@@CombatIneffective if this were true there would be plenty of warning prior to any attack due to intelligence and ships would be able to deploy without a problem. Ships in for yard work could not deploy due to maintenance needs. There are usually two and sometimes three carrier battle groups deployed at any one time in the Pacific and numerous ships and subs off the coast of San Diego preparing for deployment doing local operations. Also, more than half the crew live on the ship.

[@timkirchoff3869]

I have a story about a real life scramble while the US was being attacked. I used to live in the Burlington, VT area. Roughly in the area off the NW end of the Burlington International Airport runway. This airport is where the Green Mountain Boys of the Vermont Air National Guard squadron is based. They were flying F16s at the time (they have since switched out to F35s). The morning of 9/11 one of my roommates and I were glued to the TV as we watched the first World Trade Center building burn. We watched in horror as the second plane hit. It seemed like within a few minutes the F16s were screaming into the air. We were all used to hearing the jets take off, but this was obviously something COMPLETELY different. None of us had EVER heard them come out of the airport that loud and fast. That sound, and the purpose behind it, still gives me shivers. The planes headed directly south 260 miles to fly air cover over Manhattan. It didn't take them long to get there.

[@pilljr.3331]

But if you listen to the recordings you find out that none of these scrambled jets found a single hijacked plane! …NEAD was very lame ! …They couldn’t get out of their own way…They were too busy passing info “up the chain” to verify reality from drill…it was a “who’s on first” situation…Meanwhile the hijackers were completing their mission…A very sad representation of Air Defense Command!

[@horaceweatherby2910]

@@pilljr.3331 what the fuck are you on about you? the three successful attacks happened in the space of less than 50 minutes. credit to the saudis, that was well coordinated. not surprising they weren’t found when there were literally thousands of planes in the air in and around the eastern seaboard. fuck off dumbass

[@cuinican1980]

​@pilljr.3331 but now we are in the sky 24/7. I been driving 7 years now. I have contracts with Navy a and Airforce now. I have yet to deliver and not see Jets taking off and landing. Non stop Let me say that one more time. Non Stop ..... I have GoPro footage of the F35's in Ket West Station with the Super Hornets flying around and taking off in groups of four. Well the Super Hornets are grouped in 4 the F35 go up in 2's. In Key West that is. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. All they do is play all day every day now. Some of the Super Hornets have blue missles on them. So they do nothing. But others don't, so I say. This will Never ever happen again. Hahahahahahahahaha I'm kidding, this is nothing new. We been doing this since Pearl Harbor. Wayyyyyy Worse losing War Ships then losing life and buildings comparing the two. So , now that I know 100% because I asked every single fly boy. At every single base I ever been to. Not to mention when I was younger in my 20's im now 43. I was in Mississippi in Gulfport. And those boys fly 24/7 also. Over and over and over all you see is the Fighter squadrons taking off and landing. So we have groups in the Gulf playing around and patrolling at same time. We have groups all up and down the east coast in the Atlantic. We have groups all up the west coast in the pacific. I know this with my own two eyes. Soooooooo, 9/11 happened on purpose. I'm not one of those conspiracy people. But this is my own opinion. With the amount of Fighter Jets we have in the air. Knowing now that CIA said we getting attacked. Days before it happend. Come on man, little Bush did one Big Bush wanted. That's what's truly Sad Brother. Because America is a Bad Ass since Pearl Harbor. More so since Vietnam, we choose to keep wars going for 20 years. Makes money and develops weapons all across the board. Our dollar is backed up by out military not gold any more. Sooooo, let's talk about what really going on. Because America not ready especially after the first building went down. Pffffffttttttt hahahahahaha Nahhhhhh

[@bohan9957]

The narrator is so good it's like watching a sports match. I'm thoroughly enjoying this. Keep it up guys!

[@planetsec9]

The fear of a scenario like this is exactly why both US and China have invested so much R&D and funding into "weather monitoring" satellites.

[@MrCashewkitty]

Well, you called that one...

[@stevedavenport1202]

Partly sunny with a chance of AMRAMs

[@feliscorax]

@@stevedavenport1202 LOL! Better than “Cloudy because H-Bombs”, I suppose. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@nicholaslee5473]

It's highly unlikely that a Chinese carrier's whereabouts are unmonitored. To surprise U.S. intelligence is really difficult.

[@MrBlipman]

China will never be able to even attempt this. Their fleet will be sunk long before it gets within range of the US coast

[@gotalon]

Don’t forget the UPS squadrons located thruout the Southern California airports, they could be used to air drop millions of Amazon packages to overwhelm and sink the carriers and it would be mostly free if they concentrated with only Prime Packages!👍😉😂

[@colestahl1265]

Amazon air fleet with rapid dragons, based.

[@cheapscifi]

Lol I was thinking the Blue angels might be at el Centro. With no weapons, they may be the pinnacle of Fox-4 technology!

[@jeremyjackson8196]

Definitely play hell with china's radar

[@DanielBrown-sn9op]

🤣

[@eligebrown8998]

Lol

[@KNETTWERX]

Cap, the US Marine Corps is receiving both F-35B and F-35C. The B was to replace the AV-8B Harrier, and some F/A-18’s. The F-35C will be replacing the rest of the F/A-18’s for use on super carriers to supplement the Navy squadron in the carrier air wing. B model will only be used by LHD and LHA vessels. Another thing that might need to get modeled is the Evolved Sea Sparrow and the rolling airframe missile. The later is replacing CIWS on surface vessels.

[@williamhumber5890]

Yeah, the Marine F-35s at Miramar are all F-35C AFAIK.

[@scottsauritch3216]

@@williamhumber5890 They began "advanced F35B training" as of Oct 2021...

[@killswitch6673]

Also the new plañes have a shiney paint on them like chrome looks crazy nice

[@williamhumber5890]

@@scottsauritch3216 That makes sense that there would be a mixture of B and C models.

[@BV-fr8bf]

​@@killswitch6673 Shiney paint may be Ceramic RAM. Released yesterday. Last few minutes is esp. relevant. Also, ceramic stealth absorbs 90% radar vs. 80% for current stealth coating. So UP CLOSE and in your face before a ceramic coated stealth fighter is seen on radar. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5PFZZ6nbpqFnZY

[@reporttam]

The very first GR video I watched was like this one. I served in the USMC and I was angered. I learned quickly that these are just randomly generated simulations that are amazingly entertaining despite not super realistic. DCS has limitations. I think GR does a wonderful job and their team are hilarious!

[@angeldomingojr.7538]

I agree..this story is purely propaganda...the chinese are dreaming...their military foolishness will bring and make them worse than their russky comrade.🤣🤣🤣

[@mauricehinton5889]

Hopefully DCS could find a way to integrate modern submarines into the game

[@jameslove5457]

Subs would be great and definitely a game changer

[@jameshisself9324]

@@jameslove5457 Changer? As in the Chinese would get beaten MORE badly? Just going by the complete unknown of DCS modeling for accuracy they got their asses kicked. The actual reality is that the US has for decades been able to track not only every single surface warship anywhere in the world, but in the 1980s they could detect when Soviet ships were **preparing** to leave port. Not even moving yet. The Chinese are even easier to detect. If subs are brought into the mix this attack never happens. I think to make it sporting it's better to be kind to the Chinese and leave them out.

[@TheGeneral308]

@@jameshisself9324 Yea the whole time I was watching this I was thinking that. I was thinking even if they got this attack off it would never ever make it back to China. The whole Pacific sub fleet would be sicked on it. Fun to watch though.

[@peterpan8627]

@@jameshisself9324 it's not the present status quo but inevitable future Chinese progress that change the entire equation.

[@jameslove5457]

@@jameshisself9324 yea what ever bro

[@joli22]

I think that if the chinese started moving and splitting on the other side of the pacific, every major target on the west coast would have armed up and be on high alert.

[@majerstud]

Not so sure....they wouldn't want to be accused of racial profiling!

[@ILoveQazaqstan]

@@majerstud oh how the mighty are falling…

[@clarkeugene5727]

How many pilots did we lose for non-vaccinating? Add 4 minutes to the scrambles for the transgenders to apply their makeup.

[@PhoenixT70]

@@majerstud Given the current administration, you're probably right.

[@oscarrlee18]

Just like when we sail in them

[@fencerroy8117]

In a war scenario, I'd expect the Aegis/SM equipped ships in-port to be at least partially crewed and able to slave their missile batteries to either destroyer outside the harbor via data link. In theory, that should provide a lot of extra SAM protection. TRs airwing would be shore-based at NAS Lemoore which is 255 nm away.

[@emptyforrest]

yhea i dont see how war ships would be completely uncrewed at shore. there would likely be a skeleton crew on board for maintenance and also to be able to scramble defences.

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

​@@emptyforrest always is. All ships can be at battle stations in a matter of minutes

[@George-bm1lt]

There are several bases that were not mentioned in the scenario, you have Camp Pendleton that also has an air base (mostly helicopters), NAS El Centro that is only about 120 miles away, Yuma Marine Corps Air Station that is about 200 miles away, Also we have submarine base that would probably have subs out patrolling. And there is a training island off the coast of San Diego and I would assume there is some type of air defense there. And there is an auxiliary air base down in San Ysidro area that is part of the City of San Diego. Also we have killer dolphins that the navy trainings here as well.

[@jkrause702]

Handful of air force bases within 300 miles as well. That's not a lot of flight time for a fighter.

[@TheRealAb216]

Yeah the entire west cost and south west is like nothing but military bases. Any attack on the west cost is going up against the Marines, Navy and Air force air power. They are fucked. Not to mention the reverse engineered UFOs we got in area 51.... hahaha.

[@penponds]

I think the killer dolphins have been used making the ultimate sacrifice above some pipelines in the Baltic this week. Only half joking…

[@th5160]

Navy trained Killer dolphins? is that why they are so mean to the local surfers.

[@George-bm1lt]

Yes the Navy does train dolphins and have a base in San Diego to do so, now Dolphins have been some human behaviors that are scary.

[@patricklewis9662]

The USMC will be using a combination of F-35B (for LHD/LHA operations) and F-35C (some marine squadrons are part of naval air wings). So you can opt Marines with F-35Cs.

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@willielinks3865]

@@grimreapers hey Cap, where can we get the LCS mods from, are you able to provide a link? Thank you and thanks for another great video as well

[@Doc_Roe]

"His missile just fell off like big douche" lmao Now that should be on a T-shirt lol. Wow just wow this has to be one of the best battles yet! I appreciate yalls hard work in making these awesome videos!

[@rich3371]

I was a carrier for th post office and only miss-delivered a package once. Amazon on the othr hand . . .

[@jabroni6199]

As a San Diego resident, I find this intriguing. I will say, MCAS routinely launches aircraft. See them often when I’m driving on the i15

[@TheRealGatD]

All day everyday lol

[@TheCaptainbeefylog]

I want to see the follow-up revenge strike of 2 squadrons of P-8 Poseidons, each carrying 11 AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER Harpoons on the Chinese carrier. With a squadron of F-35s to deal with the half dozen fighters they have left aboard. lol

[@grimreapers]

Jumping back to Ukraine after this for a few weeks.

[@Nightdiver20]

The empire strikes back

[@rodgemic]

Counter-Strike B-52 Squadron armed with anti-ship missiles.

[@totalnerd5674]

I mean, if GR don't do it, just use your imagination, I guess

[@savanterov]

I really enjoy these videos. I do a lot of work on the PC in like 12-18hour shifts and I often leave this on in the background as a sort of "audible wallpaper". One of these days I plan to get myself a decent joystick and get onto DCS. In the meantime, great stuff !!

[@someoneonetheinternet]

There were still 2 YJ-12s in the air in the south when you ended. When you thought there were 4 in the air at the end, there were actually 6.

[@jekkershinator4671]

Right? Watched the whole thing to come up a minute short of simulation.

[@chlim9478]

@@jekkershinator4671 Bunged simulation that is.

[@Mournful3ch0]

Well, when you consider allied losses of F-35s due to poorly coded missile launches, it shakes out. Not too bad

[@toptenguy1907]

If they're going after San Diego their going to be dealing with like 8 different enormous bases, Coronado, Miramar, Pendelton, Ventura, Edwards, March, Vandenberg and 29 Palms. Not to mention the small one and the various airpots that have armed jets. March Alone would probably blow a carrier group out of the water >_>

[@johns8364]

Don't forget El Centro and Yuma. San Diego is one of the most heavily fortified places on the planet.

[@ismaelcoronajr]

There is some other stuff in nevada US army. I'm sure that storage depot would be remanned and shipping Patriot missile batteries out... Also a direct attack on American soil, the response would be nothing short of hell on earth. Until our advisories no longer existed...

[@tetraxis3011]

@@ismaelcoronajrPatriot Missiles are useless.

[@jpsmusicforthemood5197]

Love ALL of your videos!! These "what if" ones are definitely fun to watch and I am sure they are a big challenge to put together. I didn't read all of the comments so some of what I am about to say could already have been said - sorry in advance. The setup for this video sort of treats San Diego as if it is a lot more isolated as a military facility than it really is. I am not sure if they are too far away to be much help in this scenario, but you have both Edwards AFB (North of LA) and Vandenberg AFB (NW of LA on the coast). Also, there is a HUGE Navy T&E facility with Surface AND Air Search radars located up and down the coast of SoCal and also on at least some of the islands off the coast. The Sea Test Range itself is 36,000 square miles in size (that is the area in which the official testing typically takes place). You can get an idea what this looks like by googling NAWCWD Point Mugu Sea Range. Point Mugu is/was also a Naval Air Station. I am not sure what is still stationed there as in the early 2000's I believe much of the tenants of the base we relocated to China Lake (further North of LA) as part of the BRAC actions taken by the US Government and the DoD.

[@CheeseDanish85]

There are several more bases in range for the parameters of this scenario that are even closer than the LA bases: March Air Force Base and NAF El Centro.

[@lorencasuto1249]

There is one major factor not being included in on this; NAS North Island. That's where that cold dark carrier's aircraft would be based at. Even taking into account the base is primarily used for ASW planes and choppers, there are always some F/A-18s out there. So they'd be amongst the first to be scrambled and you'd likely have an additional dozen planes ready to go along with anything else that could be thrown together for Anti-Ship duty. And it definitely has additional SAMs and whatnot.

[@OVRxNxOUT]

Great sim. I would have to agree, this is the best one so far of the more recent revisited battles/ Thank you guys for the show.

[@dcijams]

The last time I passed Miramar and my tractor trailer, British were training in the new 35s. A whole bunch of fifteens, and 18s were doing touch and goes.

[@emfournet]

When the last missile broke through the clouds to face four SM-2 trails incoming... priceless.

[@cuda260]

These videos are awesome, one of the best things on youtube. Love DCS, but feels like the underlying engine needs to be replaced with something designed for the 2020s level of capability available in a high end PC.

[@superflyguy4488]

Yip, starting with true multi core support.

[@grimreapers]

Yes it's not realyl good enough for these large battles.

[@oscarrlee18]

And you can go to war without getting killed😊

[@jimkluska253]

It doesn't get much better that this!!

[@jimkluska253]

@@grimreapers the last month has been so good friends and I are having watch parties!! So good!

[@KipdoesStuff]

I've watched a few of your simulations, this is the first one to get me on the edge of my seat. Good work.

[@teresaharmon4405]

Very nice GR!!! very few issues and did not get mad at the ones that did. Very professional!! Keep up the great content.

[@th5160]

I live in San Diego, for all the dcs lovers and for what its worth, I once saw a b2 spirit stealth bomber take off from Miramar. Photos really don't show how big that thing is. Flew by the skyscrapers really gave scale of the thing.

[@CheeseDanish85]

Miramar Air Show every year, love it! Greetings from North County.

[@the_beef4762]

@@CheeseDanish85 Greetings as well from North County! Will be at the Air Show tomorrow with my son!

[@CheeseDanish85]

@@the_beef4762Yuuup! Pumped for it!

[@evanrichard2562]

Hi Cap! This series has been EPIC! Have you considered somewhat of a "tutorial" video showing how to get all the mods (ie AIM120D, PL15, etc) set up so that the valuable viewers at home could do their own roll play? Thanks!

[@strambino1]

This is such a FUN channel keep up the good work cap!

[@markhebden1052]

Maybe this has been addressed before... Can the F35 "Murder Configuration" not transform to a "Stealth" configuration after launching the external mounted missiles? Surely the boffins could find a way to detach/dump the missile mounts after use?

[@Werepie]

I'd imagine that the brackets that connect pylons to the wings would still be pretty non-stealthy, but it's doubtful that those would have a combined >1m RCS. Would likely result in the belly aspect being non-stealth, but anything coming in from above the nose (like a missile, terminally guiding) probably wouldn't notice any difference. Still, it's a pretty niche capability that probably doesn't warrant the cost, development hours or mechanical complexity IRL

[@redstonewisard]

I have wondered this too- the idea to me is that the racks would not be too stealthy, but probably not make that much of an impact. My only concern would be the mounts that attach the racks to the wing might not be outfitted with the correct stealth coating and maybe will have enough edges to emit a presence to an AWACS or a ship/land-based radar.

[@jeo228]

As other have noted, the F-35B is only used on Landing craft Vessels, which previously only used harriers and helicopters. Coincidentally idea for a future video, is to have a battle with the Japan self defense force, who for the first time will have "carriers" - helicopter carriers now equiped with he F-35B. Would be interested to see a small f35B contingent go up against a large north korea flight of migs guiding in missiles

[@joevalicenti2722]

First the skill of Katana and now Violet Moon.... the Lady Grim Reapers are quite impressive!

[@pompeytid1970]

Apart from the friendly fire. Just saying.

[@joevalicenti2722]

@@pompeytid1970 Well, there was that.....

[@TexasDevin]

Great video! My favorite so far.

[@LuisR3yes]

I was on the edge of my seat. Great video brother!

[@dreamhunter2973]

In a real life scenario, The Chineese won't even cross half the Pacific.... 🤣🤣😅.....

[@hughmungus2760]

unless they were already off the west coast. Ie: cargo ships loaded with missiles hidden in containers that totally sneak up without being noticed.

[@lightray706]

Cap you didn't notice two more Yj-12s that were still on their way. But still an awesome video!

[@saltyspades7493]

Great stuff! Keep it up! 🙂

[@gregdyer7227]

Great job. Keep up the good work.

[@CombatIneffective]

Just to clarify things for any of you I am talking with in the comments section. I am loving the discussions we are having. The research is something I like to do as a hobby of mine because I am passionate about it. Its why I made my channel in the first place. I love the commentary after these!

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

I was all bowed up and flexed the entire last 15 minutes. Cap is like a football announcer at a championship game between Arsenal and Manchester U (is that even possible?) Some excellent flying, excellent tactics and I couldn't be more stoked.

[@Zero_Requiem]

A EFL Championship game between Arsenal and Manchester United is a dream most football fans want realized.

[@garyhost9356]

I love these sims and they're only that good because of your delivery. Thanks mate.

[@TanksForTheMammeries]

one of the best simulations you have ever done. Unrealistic scenario? yes, up until the point of firing, then is was amazing.

[@IRONIC1688]

I was so happy when I saw this! Sad to see the Chinese naval series end. Please promise me that when new game changer mods come out we'll re-visit this sweetness. Cheers.

[@hughhopwood7421]

Wouldn't an attack sub/destroyer group assigned to shadow the group sink that carrier as soon as it was designated as a hostile? I get that this scenario was limited to air assets, but I would have to think that some of the air units would be tied up trying to defend the carrier from this.

[@RemedialRob]

I live in San Diego and I have several souvenir type swords so I'm pretty sure if something like this actually happened I'd just handle it myself.

[@bassett_green]

What was a lot of fun to watch, went better than I expected

[@formallyknownasj.a.2074]

I watch F-35’s fly everyday out of Miramar. It’s definitely a hell of a site to see and never gets old.

[@kyeduren5233]

Staying in SD by the Miramar Base there is a sizable chance that if the attack occurred after 9am there would already be Miramar based fighters in the air who could respond, but I'm not sure if it would be F 18 or F35. They are always flying though.

[@kyeduren5233]

@jamesmitchem7 Good ?

[@dherman0001]

This is hands down my favorite new channel.

[@DavidAllen729]

These scale battles make me so happy! The suspense from the beginning is so intriguing! Live on GRIM REAPERS!!! Answering the questions that need be answered!!!!!!!!!!

[@MXFoX408]

I was stationed in San Diego and its defenses are astounding. If there was an assualt from foreign naval assets they would be wiped clean.

[@bryanbowling1857]

We learned a thing or two from Pearl Harbor.

[@daynelagemann4727]

I was stationed in San Diego as well and you are right, it is way more dfended than this sim puts on. And yes some of the ships would be in cold iron and not operating or fighting but we always had a few ready to go and so many bases around San Diego that I am pretty sure no one would get through it to easily.

[@chadgray5120]

I would also add Air National Guard assets, Edwards AFB, and any assets Yuma Proving Grounds would add.

[@cjg6064]

This is great because I'm going to the Miramar Air Show on Sunday. It's been awesome seeing all the planes flying around San Diego this week.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Exiting! Great fun :) Thanks Cap!

[@jaredbreytenbach7416]

Hey I love this vids

[@NightHeronProduction]

Can you guys do a alternate Falklands War scenario where the Royal Navy task force is built around 2x modernised Malta class Aircraft Carriers (the unbuilt equivalent of the Midways) with Buccaneers and Phantoms? Maybe do an operation in place of the Black Buck Raid or one involving searching out and killing the Northern Argentine task force based around the Colossus Class Carrier "Veinticinco De Mayo" and her 2x Type 42 escorts? I'd be really curious to see the latter scenario. Love the content, keep up the fantastic work!

[@NightHeronProduction]

One additional thing! By 1982 with 4x (or more 3x by that time) Malta's in service the RN would have likely replaced the Fairey Gannet AEW with either the proposed P139 AEW Aircraft concept or E2 Hawkeye's. I think the latter. Just something to bare in mind

[@vader1a]

I'd prefer to ser the x2 cancelled CVA-01 class carriers.

[@NightHeronProduction]

@@vader1a Nope the Maltas were WW2 designs that were cancelled by Atlees government in 1945. They were open hanger carriers and about 10,000 heavier then preceding Audacious class Armoured Hanger Carriers of which HMS ArkRoyal R09 and HMS Eagle R05 were members of. Its been calculated that the Maltas would have needed less modernisation work to make them viable modern fleet carriers in the 60s & 70s, which could have seen them being retained in service until the late 80s or early 90s. Edit: Whoops sorry did you update the comment? In the notification I got you were asking if I was referring to CVA-01

[@vader1a]

@@NightHeronProduction I thought so I just wasn't completely sure. Personally I would I'd like to see due to cva-01 class with the cancelled type 82 destroyers. 😆

[@NightHeronProduction]

@@vader1a Okay with the Type 82's I'd be up for that, I do think however that too much needs to change in the timeline of things for CVA's 01 & 02 to become a reality, thats the reason I went for Maltas but heck either way, a alternate Falklands scenario with large catobar carriers would great to watch get war-gamed.

[@Name-ps9fx]

Very exciting! Kudos to ya'all!

[@FooBarr68]

Love missions with Matrix flying, good video chaps. Cheers

[@zingzong5]

These videos are awesome, one thing to add… people have already brought up that we’d know the ship is there well before the attack which is true. Along with the active naval fleets active in the East PAC area, the Coast Guard WMSL’s(national security cutter) and other legacy and legend class cutters would be more than capable of finding and even possibly engaging depending on the circumstances. The CG is beyond active patrolling these areas between us and Japan and all the way down to the tip of South America Edit: I’m not saying the CG would sink the vessel, but is more than capable of damaging it past the point of still being mission capable

[@estebanlara3702]

Chinese aircraft would sink the coast guard.

[@zingzong5]

@@estebanlara3702 nah nah nah, puddle pirates shall prevail

[@MrJamesBanana]

I have a suggestion for an alternate history scenario that would be really interesting to see how it would play out. Back story: At 19:57, 27 October 1981 the soviet submarine S-363 (Swedish designation U137, which i will use during this text) ran aground at Torumskär in Gåsefjärden, close to the naval base in Karlskrona. They are trying to pull themselves off, but are unable to do so and reports this back to base at 21:00. At around 22:00 they are spotted by a Swedish fisherman, who reports his findings to the naval base in Karlskrona the morning after at 09:54. At 11:30 this is reported to the Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces. This of course leads to mobilization of Swedish forces. The coastal artillery are deployed to the area, manning both fixed and mobile artillery systems. They also deploy coastal rangers with access to different kinds of anti tank weapons that can be used, such as m/48 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifles. At around 19:00, reports state that a Soviet naval force are on it's way to rescue the submarine. The Prime minister Thorbjörn Fälldin gives the order: Hold the border! When the vessels are roughly 700 meters from the border, the Swedish artillery switches it's radars from peacetime mode to the frequency hopping war mode. Within 30 seconds the soviet vessels reduces their speed, and at 21:00 they stop at the border. At 02:30, the soviets decide to cancel the rescue mission, which was planned for 03:00. The scenario: What would had happened if the Soviet forces had not decided to cancel their mission, but instead pushed trough? Swedish forces in the area: 4x 152mm Artillery based at Tjurkö island Coastal rangers with heavy weapons deployed at Östra Hästholmen island. Submarine Neptun Första flygeskadern aka ÖB:s Klubba (Three wings of AJ37 Viggen, 64-96 aircraft in total. Known as The Commanders Mallet. Probably carrying 2xRb04, with air defence provided by J35 Draken and/or JA37 Viggen) Icebreaker Thule, parked across the path to U137 Multiple smaller vessels Soviet forces: U137, stuck on a rock. Destroyer Obraztsovyj (Kashin class) 1x Destroyer Kildin class 2x Corvette Nanuchka class 1x Frigate Riga class Most likely at least one more submarine Several support vessels

[@hotstepper887]

Grow the F up.

[@hotstepper887]

Grow up!

[@nickgreer6877]

So would some Soviet Airforce assets get involved to spice it up?

[@fluffskunk]

There's a movie about this but it happens on the coast of New England. You're leaving out in your scenario that the Soviet Air Force was heavily based around the Baltic. Latvia, Estonia and St. Petersburg were at the time home to enough MiG-23s to dwarf the Swedish Air Force, a regiment of MiG-25s at Monchegorsk, and two regiments flying Su-24s for all-weather attack.

[@hotstepper887]

@@fluffskunk You mean a Hollywood propaganda movie?

[@ClassicCityMinistry]

thanks cap for making this video!

[@ANGEL197594]

amazing job guys

[@bloodyissue8296]

there were 2 more missles when you stopped

[@Evocati-Augusti]

You realize satellites would have tracked the Chinese less than 100 miles when they left their own port? in 2020 you can't sneak an Aircraft carrier anywhere..

[@WyvernFalken]

Again, this is a 'what if' scenario. ;) Don't read too much into it.

[@Evocati-Augusti]

@@WyvernFalken sorry im retired USAF/ISR .. I get bitchy...

[@Evocati-Augusti]

@@WyvernFalken I do enjoy youre style of flying..

[@WyvernFalken]

@@Evocati-Augusti yep my line of work too. Just have fun with the Red Dawn scenarios.

[@Evocati-Augusti]

@@WyvernFalken but Japan could have made it to Chicago, as far as Navel intelligence was concerned, put out for the reason of dropping the bombs...and their weather bombs weren't so bad, and the CAP was made, which is a real part of DHS and the USAF AUX. I remember having a background check done in 2004. and also being part of another program they had running. which is creepy so I won't say...

[@JJ-1-1]

Bravo you have a new subscriber 😊

[@Spookyashell76]

I love CAP's commentary. I could listen to him all day.

[@exidy-yt]

Was great to see how Violet Moon redeemed herself after her blue-on-blue mistake early on. ;-) GREAT battle, Reapers!

[@NightshadeX85]

Wow Violet went full Queen beast mode there . Really enjoyed that one . I've been playing DCS for a month now only got F16 and Nevada map (plus free ones like A4 and Marianas) really enjoying it , I'm ex-Navy aircraft technician (British Junglie) so training is not as bad for me , using things like HSI and understanding terms is fine (well done to anyone who had no experience) . The only thing I have struggled with in Air-to-Air is the JF-17 . I swear the F-16 has real problems detecting and tracking it , the Flankers are even easier than I thought to take down . I managed to land the F16 on my second ever try . Been doing loads of cold start takeoff/landings and CAP missions against a variety of enemies (AI of course) being outnumbered no more than 3-1 . Once I manage to get a grip with Air-to-Ground and purchase Flaming Cliffs 3 I will go multiplayer , not feeling confident about going multiplayer right now as I'd be more of a hinderance to people . Anyone else in the early stages of DCS ? .

[@bertkoerts3991]

Valued viewers, doing wonderful well - great greeting! Keep on making this really interesting content! Please! 👍😊

[@Ashinperth]

Love the channel and looking forward to playing the games once my busted finger is fixed. Roll on the learning curve to fly.

[@th3b0yg]

I'm pretty sure there are THAAD batteries in the area. I know there were a few years back. I worked on THAAD rocket motor design 17 or so years ago. THAAD is primarily designed with ICBMs in mind, but it is able to engage a variety of airborne as well as orbital targets.

[@davidcope3304]

As far as I know the THAAD isn't in the game yet

[@CombatIneffective]

I didn't see any indications of them active in the area.

[@th3b0yg]

@@davidcope3304 THAAD took down a missile fired in anger in UAE earlier this year. It's deployed around the world.

[@th3b0yg]

@@CombatIneffective I can't find evidence doing a quick Google search, but I am sure I've seen maps of THAAD reach above the eastern Pacific centered near San Diego. I guess my memory could be wrong. Back when I worked on the program test flights were being conducted at Vandenberg, not Miramar, because Vandenberg is equipped for that kind of experimental test/eval work on unproven, dangerous rocket platforms. After I left the program I read about it being tested at White Sands and I think that's still easy to find when googling, but yeah, I can't prove that it is or was deployed near San Diego so I'll retract that.

[@davidcope3304]

@@th3b0yg I know it's deployed IRL but I dont think it's in DCS yet. Hell DCS still has sm-3's and the navy's at what now the SM-6?

[@jimdraven2432]

Absolutely f@#$ing amazing battle guys, loved Violet rocking the air to air dogfights!

[@JackThelRipper]

Capt. You would be one hell of a sports announcer!! Love your dialogue

[@dfor]

Violet is surprisingly even better at dog fighting than she is at friendly fire missiles lol

[@FuzzJBall]

I know you stated that scramble range would be affected by afterburner use and fuel but I think that there would be additional resources available considering the scenario. March ARB is less than 90 miles from SD and has a detachment of F-15C/D on alert status. Additionally MCAS Yuma is ~175 miles away where there are several squadrons of F-35B and C. Additionally there are squadrons of KC-130 in the Southern CA area that could refuel the MC aircraft. Some of those Yuma birds could be launched with anti-ship ordinance to go after the Chinese carrier.

[@roypase8488]

Along with KC135s at Riverside and additional F15s from Fresno, CA

[@jkrause702]

Honestly even Nellis is in play with refueling capabilities.

[@connorparks1130]

I would love to see a follow up video with the whole US Fleet in San Diego; Carriers, LHAs, Destroyers, Cruisers, LCS everything hunting down the Chinese Carrier and the Type 003 meets up with some more destroyers and frigates but it only has its remaining aircraft.

[@danielstephens7416]

Don't forget B-52s spamming cruise missiles.

[@tetraxis3011]

@@danielstephens7416Regular cruise missiles are kind of useless against moving targets.

[@bobhazen8013]

The Carl Vincent is carrying 5th gen plans now. My son serves on the Vincent!

[@tonyaustin4629]

Best narration ever, good job.

[@anileator7343]

Just out of curiosity, wouldn’t the us naval forces be warming up from the moment that any Chinese naval incursion was spotted and so be warmed up by the time the Chinese arrived?

[@grug6682]

The ship crews are probably out on Liberty and scattered all across California or at home.

[@xenaguy01]

_"... from the moment that any Chinese naval incursion was spotted ..."_ The entire scenario was based on the premise that one small Chinese carrier TF was able to escape American surveillance and sneak up on the west coast. A 21st century Pearl Harbor, if you will. But at San Diego.

[@thorH.]

@@xenaguy01 As he explained, the Chinese scrambled their whole fleet and the Americans lost track of this one group. So the Americans would most certainly know if they lost one of the Chinese Carriers. So in fact, they would ready every singe destroyer to defend all important locations and try to track the group down.

[@xenaguy01]

@@thorH. I don 't disagree. But, . . . _THE SCENARIO FOR _*_THIS GAME_* is t hat the Americans were unprepared. Please bear in mind that: 1) This is a game. 2) No one can know what _WILL_ happen in any set of circumstance, only what one _THINKS_ will happen.

[@thorH.]

@@xenaguy01 yeah sure, but I am pretty certain, that US Comand will be very nervous when they loose a Chinese Carrier in the pacific. So hmm, maybe kind of unrealistic, but it is still a very interesting scenario nevertheless

[@YouTubestopsharingmyrealname]

I'd like to believe that if china sent every piece of hardware toward the west coast, they would not even make it half way across the pacific and every bit of it all would reside forever more at the bottom of the sea.

[@rags417]

So totally not true ! The US would send in the modern equivalents to the Glomar Explorer and raise every sunken Chinese ship from the deep and display them at the entrance to San Diego harbour as a warning to others,

[@YouTubestopsharingmyrealname]

@@rags417 oooh, even better. I like it!

[@tetraxis3011]

Sure bud. The US can beat all the world combined right? The US wins everything……(sarcasm).

[@YouTubestopsharingmyrealname]

​@@tetraxis3011 US VS the entire world, no. But with the power NATO and all the bilateral relations with the Indo-Pacific region, Yes.

[@-ruttley3457]

The US navy can indeed, beat every other navy in the world, at the same time

[@MrGriff305]

The Sand Diego ships didn't notice what was happening in the Pacific for a few days

[@SurelyYewJest]

33:15 The streaking fighter on fire during the dogfight was an awesome sequence.

[@SaraWilliams-ph9yn]

wow, massive chinese break out, so lets just sit and twiddle our thumbs. Also the odds of any Chinese ships making it back, after most of them being tracked, minus the whatever you think makes it there, is a lot of submarines having a field day

[@DavidWilliams-ig5ec]

Given that any Chinese carrier group would be shadowed by a US sub since leaving its home port, the Fujian would probably be immediately sunk just after launching is A2A wave and it heads out toward SD. The anti-shipping wave would never even get into the air.

[@darrylsmith7871]

"A" sub? I'm thinking '688 feeding frenzy.

[@DavidWilliams-ig5ec]

@@darrylsmith7871 LOL, you're right, of course.

[@rakheem351]

What’s 688 feeding frenzy I’m a tactics dude

[@hughmungus2760]

if the chinese were smart they would put dozens of antiship missiles onto civilian cargo ships and fire them off at less than 50 miles range, containerised missiles are a thing these days.

[@creefer]

Funny that you did this video while I'm visiting San Diego. Aboard the USS Midway museum, you can currently see the Nimitz and the Carl Vinson. The Lincoln has just left. Saw DDG 93 coming in.

[@vanguard9067]

Great job Reapers!

[@ryanpayne7707]

17:42: IIRC, Vandenberg does not have any LIVE ICBMs; its solely a rocket base. They have ICBMs with inert payload simulators, but no nukes. All they do are launch satelites and test fire inert ICBMs into the Kwajalein Atoll off the Marshall Islands; they don't have any weaponry other than small arms. 18:00: Does anyone know how many CA compliant ARs it would take to shoot down a Chinese jet? I'm sure there's a lot of Californians outside of LA and San Deigo that would be more than willing to give it a try. I mean, if you put enough 5.56 into the air, it eventually functions like flak. 27:21: PLA cyber capabilities are unmatched... 28:57: Isn't there some legend about a Chinese general killing condemned prisoners in front of the enemy army? The enemy thought the prisoners were inocent civilians, concluded that the soilders and thier leaders were psychopaths, and elected not to get involved. Maybe that was Violet's plan? 48:44: CVNs don't have thier airwings in port. The CAG is not part of the ship; its its own organizational entity. A CAG relocates to a NAS when the ship is in port.

[@Steven_Edwards]

@18:00 it's an interesting question, I'm going to have to do some math on what the maximum altitude a round could reach. I would imagine if you had enough guys firing off rounds and saturating the air, if any made it to the right altitude it would be as bad as a small bird strike on the intakes at the very least. Of course with all of those bullets raining back down I'd wonder if they would do more damage to people and property on the ground.

[@MaeMaeTube]

There are a TON of Navy, USMC facilities here in SD. If you're ever here go to the Midway Carrier museum. It's awesome. A ton of good military museums, etc here in town. Every time I am down town I always imagine how China would attack us here lol.

[@CaptainSeamus]

I was just thinking, what about the HMS Surprise? It could go out to meet that carrier! 🤣🤣😜🤣🤣

[@ky-effect2717]

You're blowing my mind with all the possibilities

[@fedster187]

that map at the start reminds me of Janes fleet command loving the videos

[@maximusprimus827]

When I was a kid in the 80s, I heard a psychic speak about a vision she had of the future. She said she saw men in black and ships invading the west coast of the U.S. The thing that stood out to me was that she said they were Asian looking. This was weird because at the time there were no Asian countries that were a threat to us. Now, I know what country’s forces she probably saw in her vision.

[@James-bs8bd]

Why they gotta be Asian? Where did you find this psychic? Did she say they were wearing black or were black? Why does your comment sound like a 80’s action/thriller?

[@maximusprimus827]

@@James-bs8bd she used the word “oriental” to describe them. They were dressed in black uniforms.

[@djzoodude]

All legacy Hornets have now been retired from the Marine Corps. The US no longer operates any C or D model Hornets. They've either been replaced with Super Hornets or F-35s. I know for a fact that Squadron 323, which is listed in Wikipedia as still flying legacy Hornets, has actually officially retired their Hornets and is upgrading to the F-35C. They were the last Marine squadron still flying legacy Hornets.

[@Edward-gp8oh]

This is completely wrong.

[@djzoodude]

@@Edward-gp8oh No, it isn't. There are literally articles about the Marines retiring the last legacy Hornets.

[@Edward-gp8oh]

@@djzoodude that’s crazy because I am literally staring at a legacy hornet right now.

[@djzoodude]

@@Edward-gp8oh dunno what to tell you man.

[@Edward-gp8oh]

@@djzoodude you can’t tell me anything. I work on legacy hornets day in and day out. Your sources are wrong. My sources are actually touching these aircraft and watching them fly every single day.

[@ronaldweasley6175]

this might be the best channel on youtube

[@Femur15]

Good Sim! Very well done.

[@GENTcz]

Thing to note about China. Beside using J-15T they would also use J-35. Fifth-gen carrier-borne fighters. About AWACS they would haje KJ-600 which is finishing its development.

[@bryanbowling1857]

It is one thing to copy a design, it is quite another to logistically supply that asset in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Logistics win wars, copies of technology win photo contests for internal propaganda consumption.

[@packd6]

Agreed, I think the KJ-600 would be in the first 10 planes off the carrier.

[@Brainreaver79]

stretching reality a bit,.. considering japan sent a single U-boat to artillery bombard us mainland with its pea shooter in ww2 .. these doesnt sound so hilarious anymore

[@nickjeffrey8050]

This is fucking awesome Your commentary is next level

[@guard13007]

I really wish I could see this engagement from Violet's POV. Just the glimpses shown here means it must've been WILD.