Could US 7th Fleet Protect Taiwan From Chinese Aerial Strike? (WarGames 90) | DCS

[@exidy-yt]

25:10 the amount of missiles in the air is insane. Props to the DCS engine for being able to handle this kind of air-to-air carnage without inflicting time dialation or anything like that. Outstanding scrap so far!

[@willwozniak2826]

These battles just keep getting better and better.

[@karisu4598]

Here's hoping that such a scenario won't be happening anytime soon. Hopefully.

[@htf5555]

thats what i said about ukraine

[@paulvamos7319]

​@@htf5555😂 Putin was watching and said,"Hold my vodka!" 🤣

[@jamison884]

So, after watching the results of the anti-ship missiles, yes I understand it didn't work in multiplayer and the targeting needs work per the singeplayer test, but I think it's essentially a draw if you factor in some more real-world attributes. For example, once the Chinese threat was gone from their nearby jets/A-to-A missiles, all remaining friendly jets in the air would have been coached and coordinated onto the incoming anti-ship missiles. Per Violet and Matrix, the AIM-260s lock onto the missiles quite well. Add in a real-world data link, expert professional pilots, and dozens of command and control personnel to assign targets (vectors/altitude/deconfliction) plus the SM-2/SM-6 net, SeaRAM, and CWIS, I think there's a very good chance the missiles don't make it through. Finally, a somewhat minor note but it would presumably play a difference in defending this massive anti-ship missile attack. If the USS America is there (and the entire 7th fleet in general), then there should also be the four additional supporting amphibious ships (LSD and LPD) that travel with the LHA/LHD flagship: the USS New Orleans (LPD-18), USS Green Bay (LPD-20), USS Rushmore (LSD-47), and USS Ashland (LSD-48). I only mention them as they collectively have an additional 168 (!) missiles to assist in short-range defense with the SM-2 network due to each ship carrying two SeaRAM weapon systems (8 x 21-round RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles in total). Each SeaRAM missile has a reported range of 10 km, so they should have time to see the coming and fire before impact, but it would be close. It also depends on the whole scenario, but I'm assuming they would travel with their assigned Marine Expeditionary Unit that's typically onboard as long as they're sailing in support of the USS America, and either be caught unexpectedly within this naval batal, or be on patrol without carrying the USMC infantry/their equipment due to no planned littoral invasion plans. : )

[@lukescrase9833]

Yeah, that.

[@MrDJAK777]

IRL the f-35 that would be in the air also can act as airborne early warning thank you targeting data to ages defense systems as well using its das contract a tank shell prior to being completed and since upgraded. Some of the block/variants of the sm3 and 6 might as well be an entirely different rocket and have ridiculous performance and the f35 targeting can let them be launched earlier to get a higher chance of success for the engagement worrying about line of sight or over the horizon or even low altitude sea skimming blind spots ships usually have to deal with, even with even with AWACs in the air and a literal fleet of sensors they can't track or even detect out past half of the of missiles Max engagement distances for the latest blocks that are at the far end of their range but can't be detected or painted. Besides you're gonna have F35s up anyway 3 can make a 1200km 360 detection space that's fully passive and maintains their stealth.

[@obunga4710]

Good insight

[@goshring]

MERICA

[@bruhmomento4590]

would the ESSM make a difference if they added it?

[@loxachi1291]

Now all thats needed is to update the SM-2 family of missiles in game. IIRC the DCs still uses a fairly old version of the SM-2. Should be using a mix of SM-6 (150 mi range), SM2 SM-2ER Block IVA, and RIM-162 for air defense. Edit: Also worth noting that DCS seems to count the public fire rate for 1 VLS cell pack as the fire rate for the whole ship. So actual launch rates should be 6X - 8X depending on what block of Burke or if its a Ticonderoga.

[@Spaatz77]

It seemed that far fewer SM-2s were going out than in previous GR U.S. task force engagements. I remember the sky literally saturated with SM-2s. What percentage of those available for launch actually went out? Hell, there were 2 Ticos and 8 Burkes?

[@ДенисСмоляр-з8б]

Make a battle in the city with tanks helicopters and planes please please

[@flare1578]

Yeah I would love to see that

[@TheAmbex]

Some random manpads too.

[@phillipmatthews8887]

@@flare1578 mc donalds

[@specialk2000]

Yes do this!!!!

[@ericclausen6772]

Yeah 🤣 you really want a close look at war join the military kid

[@strambino1]

I can’t wait to see this scenario develop further, the Taiwan campaign was an awesome set of videos!

[@hughmungus2760]

Wow. Confirmation that the YJ21 and other hypersonic anti ship missiles are in the works is exciting. I hope you get DF17s and Zircons too.

[@strykrpinoy]

My step father works for a defense contractor here in San Diego that does this exact thing (war gaming scenarios) and PRoC is their focus, His take is that you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario (that's what they do also so they plan accordingly and this is how the defense industry plans new systems).

[@ylstorage7085]

" you guys are using US standards for their weapons systems which is a good thing because its worst case scenario" what if some Chinese systems are superior...? a very BIG if, but an "if" nonetheless.

[@SlowRkers]

@@ylstorage7085 If using standard weapon systems is = worst case scenario, 1 begs to wonder what weapon system does a equal to best case scenario?

[@brianfaulkner3911]

Pooh bear Winnie the Pooh bear

[@blicious187]

Significant flaw in this simulation: You don't have SAM coverage in Mainland China. If the H-6J's can launch the YJ-21's from basically the coast of the PRC, that means they can do so under friendly PLA SAM coverage, but you're missing that the way it's set up.

[@gamerf1141]

I can't wait to see the SM-3/SM-6 missiles to be added to DCS

[@surefresh8412]

We also need ESSM asap... 4 can fit in a single cell

[@TheAmbex]

The F-15s in Okinawa are being permanently replaced with F-22s in the near future, announced last week I believe.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@blueskiestrevor5200]

​@@grimreapers If you read the announcement about the F-15s carefully they say they will be rotating different aircraft to Okinawa including F-22 and F-35 but that none of this will be a permanent presence. I think the U.S. knows that any aircraft stationed there long term have a high chance of being killed on the ground in a surprise attack. This way we keep units on stand by to fly into the theatre AFTER the fight starts. Makes sense on paper but it does seem like a sign of weakness to the world

[@AsreiMurasame]

@@blueskiestrevor5200 I think the F-35 would make more sense anyway since we're pumping those off of the production line. We'll see what they decide though

[@DeetexSeraphine]

"It will be in Stealth-Mode, not Murder-mode" .... is I think, the best way, with which to define the two operational parameters of the 35. Well played, sir... Well played. EDIT, now 17 minutes in... What a lovable bunch of knuckleheads you have going, Cap... Kinda makes me nostalgic and wish I had marketable skills as a simulated fighter pilot. Keep it up lads! More laughs == more likes

[@MrDJAK777]

Can't wait to see what murder mode looks like when they have the additional thrust of it's replacement engine being developed currently. All the aim 260s which I expect to absolutely crush the numbers if it is actually two stages I'm because it could outrange the current 120 by 20% with no other change then what propellant they put in it.moving something with ISP of 260 to 300 plus based on replacing ammonium perchlorate with nitro amines usually hmx traditionally a high explosive like we did for an icbms of of past and considering we now have CL 20 versions of that same propellant of even higher ISP without the risk the addition of literal explosives do you propellant usually causes. Capable of with some work meeting insensitive munition standards.

[@sulyokpeter3941]

Even with this bug with the YJ-12 it is still turned out to a HUGE BOOMBOOM. :D Love this videos mate. Its just makes my day better. Not just because of boomboom but because how interesting these things. I love this military stuff. From weapons to logistics. Everything about military stuff. Love it! Love to watch it after a hard working day! Keep up the good work mate! You got the Meteors working, you got the LARSM working, you got the PL-15 working, you got the Russian asstets wroking with the hypersonic missiles, everything. Go, and make a USA/UK vs Chinese/Russian Carrier Strike Group 2025 fight! Only stuff is that try to launch the YJ-12 from AI J-15 jets or from Human anti ship jets. Maybe that will sort the problem out. If not, use the old YJ-12 and the Russian Anti Ship missiles together!

[@nuba16can]

Yes with the British F-35 exclusively operating in the anti-ship role. Have the American F-35's and F-18 Hornets take off first and then send the anti-shippers in on the deck launching LRASM's.

[@popularopinion1]

"My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude!" Hilarious 😂

[@OctaviusRomulus]

That simulation was so, so impressive. I'm going to join your patreon right now.

[@grimreapers]

aaawww :)

[@strambino1]

The Japanese Navy now has 2 Izumo class carriers capable of carrying F35. The Liaoning class carrier has a similar aircraft load out to the Izumo, a fight between their fleets is likely in the future if this scenario were to play out.

[@MG_Steve]

Great battle - but I would doubt the US Awacs would ever come under threat as IRL it would have guided assets to take out the threat as a priority.

[@1701Larry]

Great but I think that all Awacs should be equipped with missiles of their own to protect themselves when other fighters are much too busy elsewhere.

[@PlacidDragon]

17:28 "My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude" LOL!! :D

[@jwickerszh]

It would be very interesting to estimate the total value of the assets deployed and losses. Also as role play it could be interesting to let the players chose what assets to deploy, which would be limited to the actual 7th fleet on the US side but the Chinese side gets to pick from their vast inventory. In this "battle" it does not make much sense to use the J10s for example, if the targets are ships simply max out on anti-ship bombers. H6-J and H6-K can carry 6 or 7 YJ-12 IIRC, so one regiment can launch 100 missiles. Estimated cost of a YJ-12 is IIRC less than $2M, so 100 missiles match the cost of a single US destroyer. I'd love to see what the fleet can do against say 800 missiles. Add a few J20 only for cover or recon if you want. 😉

[@mustavogaia2655]

Do you know how an ugly car doesnt look fast? This is exactly how I feel about J20s - they dont look like they would perform well.

[@cassius_eu5970]

I wonder what this would look like if you combined the Chinese side with a big drone offence. Given that China is investing massively into drones and that you don't yet have the PL-21 and Type 055 modelled in game, using cheap drones to drain the US' rockets and clutter its radars seems like a realistic and the most salient addition to this scenario.

[@christian-t1b]

🤫You can't do that.

[@SevPlays]

The US did that back in desert storm as the prelude to their seed missions. That was back in 91 though and Iraqi air defence couldn’t tell they weren’t shooting down actual planes. Modern radars are going to be able to track waaay more targets. They SHOULD be able to differentiate a cheap slow moving drone from missiles moving way faster. Throw massive amounts of jamming and or drone killing EW… who knows really. I also suppose that any drone with a 300 mile range is almost definitely not cheap and spammable. So perhaps not workable in this specific scenario. But for Taiwan I assume there would be a huge amount of drones deployed.

[@De_cool_dude]

MALD does that

[@Epiderm91]

Instead of low speed drone or loitering munitions just use cruise missiles..the one with highest number of missiles will win..😂

[@jjhead431]

**I have not watched the video yet** I'm not sure it can be implemented by anyone other than the designers: AEGIS can datalink and share targeting. Ships with the NTU or equivalent can join, I do believe, and be controlled by AEGIS. That way what always happens here won't occur. 1 inbound gets 37 SM-2s, 1 gets 2, and some get ignored. Rather annoying. F-22's and F-35's also have that ability amongst themselves. Also, replacing some SM-2/6's with ESSM. It's 1:4. Increase short range defense and doesn't need that terminal illumination. Also, the carriers all have that 21-round RAM launcher, in addition to CIWS. I don't think that I ever see RAM get fired. Also, big gator freighters, all have ESSM and RAM (+CIWS), and can operate F-35B. Inbound vampires can also be engaged by the CAP or whomever. E-2D should be able to see them and fighters can shoot on the DL. So can the ships BTW. USN CEC is very powerful. I'm sure this will be great one way or another. You guys put so much work into these. Thank you.

[@jeremyparker9749]

These wargames are so good, really enjoy watching how things play out and how unscripted they are.

[@erikerice9068]

"I wish you all well,....kind've" 🙄

[@rmp5s]

Damp was cracking me up with his Pooh-loyalty. 🤣

[@grimreapers]

Damp really likes to get in character.

[@rmp5s]

@@grimreapers Between him and "Grumpnik"...never a dull moment. 😆

[@stupidburp]

Would be nice to see Japan getting involved in a future scenario. The US fleet in this video started pretty much in the area of some Japanese outlying islands. The JSDF acquired F-35B in large part for reactive temporary basing on smaller Japanese islands such as these. A couple of JMSDF aircraft carrying “destroyers” [legally distinct from helicopter/VSTOL carriers] are tasked with transportation and maintenance of F-35B but not necessarily operating from them directly. The public information on their strategy seems to imply that they would drop off a load of F-35B on these islands near Taiwan as a conflict appears imminent and then withdraw to load more from the main islands. JASDF also has F-2, F-15J, and F-35A that might engage intruders. I suspect reaction time would be somewhat slow due to the way that JSDF command system works [paramilitary dependent on civilian leadership approval for actions]. In game, just leaving them as AI on ground with their slow launch time might simulate this. JGSDF does have some good air defenses such as Patriot that might be available from some islands. And of course the JMSDF is likely to have some frigates and destroyers in the area. JSDF also has their own quite good AWACS and MPA. Perhaps a scenario with the US out of position at time of the PLA strike and thus charging in with a fleet late to the fight. PLA goes after targets in Taiwan and Japanese outlying islands, plus perhaps a ground towards Okinawa. Taiwan and Japan defending on their own, trying to bide time until US fleet arrives, coming from position somewhere South of Tokyo.

[@chadhagans6687]

Whoever did the DW, Boogity Boogity Boogity! Let’s Go Racin! You sir, deserve a medal. The most American possible thing to say as you buzz the tower of an America class carrier on your way to defend The fleet. A bald eagles screeches , as a tear runs down Washington’s face at Mount Rushmore level America shit.

[@georgewoody4177]

Day 2, U.S. would have more than 4 planes flying cover. Ok now let's watch and see how battle turns out.. great job guys and gals

[@timallison8560]

very true, at least a dozen.

[@AntiOnYT]

THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR LETS GOO

[@OscarZheng50]

the aim 260 is so strong i wonder how it'll compare against the meteor

[@dangilbert895]

the F-35 weapons bay is being upgraded to carry 6 AIM-120D or AIM-260s and should be in service when the new AIM - 260 missiles are available (Project Sidekick) also a little further down the line is the new GE adaptive cycle engine that provides a 20% boost in Speed, Range and Acceleration.

[@tjmcdonald2835]

God bless Sock and his rising social credit score!

[@Rickydicky69420]

I just came across your channel and wow - this is super fascinating to watch and love your passion while narrating. Subscribed and sharing for sure!

[@commandercody6937]

Perhaps a different tone for the next Taiwan video, perhaps scenarios of the US running a Chinese blockade of Taiwan? Trying to stay unseen with SV-22 osprey or some other transport choppers avoiding a Chinese air/naval patrol that is tasked with spotting and intercepting them. It would be interesting as this scenario might be more realistic as to how a Taiwan war would play out, with the US trying their best to avoid war with China but wanting to discreetly help Taiwan

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Turkey shoot. No helo is getting through the Chinese CAP.

[@Operator713]

Nitpicking: 0.05 meters squared (what Cap said) is not the same as 0.05 square meters (what was written on the screen). 0.05 meters squared is a square five centimeters on a side or 25 square centimeters. 0.05 square meters is 5% of a square meter (10,000 square centimeters) or 50 square centimeters. And obviously, it's minutiae, but since GR is all the way down in the nitty gritty details, I think the distinction is important. Probably you know which is which, and which is being reported from your data sources, but just in case you didn't, I figured I would remind you. Thanks for your hard work and dedication. Love your simulations.

[@nathaniellazo5912]

Waking up this morning to a massive battle, hell yah!!

[@342Rodry]

It would be cool if someone models modern versions of the SM, for a more equal fight

[@mjcandy9153]

I think you forgot that Tiwan has F-16Cs, PAC-3A Batteries and THAAD Batteries as well as a healthy supply of light, medium and heavy AAA.

[@stupidburp]

Sounded like they hand waved them away to keep the scale of this scenario more manageable. Japan has islands right where the fleet was too and plenty of assets to defend them.

[@scottb3154]

The scenario was all explained up front in the vid. Taiwan aircraft stuck in their underground bunkers after the Day 1 Chinese missile barrage cratered their runways, and Cap did have 4 Taiwan PAC-3 batteries simulated by 4 ships... but I don't think those actually took any shots.

[@mshahmirraza]

Thank You Cap for using the picture of Pakistani J-10C.

[@grimreapers]

Cool

[@SavyJayy]

Here’s an idea, have your 8 main guys each command a Fleet of their own for a truly unique and realistic experience of what world war 3 would look like. Of course I’m thinking end of year episode. Put some time in, some phone calls and Computer power and I think you would have a hell of a viral video.

[@knutnorberg9670]

I absolutely love what you have done with the wargames series, such an improvement from the taiwan games.

[@harrisongilbert]

How quick are you planning on adding SM-6 and SM-4 capabilities to the fleet? I feel that the carriers are missing a large part of their defensive capabilities without these vital missiles.

[@grimreapers]

One more major naval battle before we think about adding it in. Probably 3-4 weeks at a guess.

[@mattseller148]

SM-3 and SM-6 make up less than half of the missiles on our destroyers according to one of the guys I met at Pearl Harbor who serves on a Burke but even with so few they are so good that it would make a huge differance.

[@bruhmomento4590]

You’re also forgetting the ESSM

[@bruhmomento4590]

@@mattseller148 longer range and an upsized AMRAAM radar would be pretty useful against cruise missiles

[@timmyhoward6638]

@@mattseller148 What about rolling airframe and ESSM missiles? They're made for intercepting supersonic maneuvering missiles.

[@douglasarthur2673]

Violet (Boom Boom) Moon is THE ultimate force multiplier !

[@Rob-rr4yp]

Considering this is hypothetically off the coast of China, why was the Chinese air wing so small? Especially if the idea was for an overwhelming decapitation strike on the 7th fleet.

[@matthewfriesen]

It is probably partly due to the desire for a smooth running game, as well as the difficulty in space alone on the battlefield. There is also the fact that, while doing their best to make a relatively balanced fight, by their own admission they make scenarios that are designed to give America a small margin of victory (But not a guaranteed one). Not that this is wrong, as it does tailor to the American leaning audience, but it is a fact that should be considered when watching these War Games.

[@Wyomingchief]

​@@matthewfriesenactually you're wrong he doesn't favor the US Fleet at all. In fact if you watch enough of his videos you'll see that a lot of times he handicaps them significantly. Also the number of aircraft has to be limited by the capabilities of the server. You can't put everything in or it would literally crash the server. So you have to scale down the amount of aircraft proportionally to be even able to do this

[@lizadonrex]

You are missing one big character in US side, EA-18G with new jamming pod.

[@Tenright77]

Nicely Done, I can only guess how much production time that took... Thx GR

[@grimreapers]

Pleasure

[@immortaldev1489]

I feel like the single player simulation afterwards wasn't fair since all of the planes in the air were capable of shooting down the vampires

[@jtom9086]

The radar reflector under the left belly of J-20 need to be removed tho

[@jjhead431]

How well is the SLQ-32 modeled? It would also be interesting to see the NULKA and especially the EA-18G modeled. The Growler is extremely powerful. It pumps out a lot of trons and very intelligently too.

[@stupidburp]

EW is barely modeled at all in DCS. Too complicated and too secret

[@surefresh8412]

SLQ-32's EW capabilities aren't modeled at all in DCS, nor the SRBOC chaff and Nulka decoys... In real life wargames, EW alone could soft-kill over half of incoming vampires; we definitely need them modelled in DCS ASAP!

[@kabloosh699]

Malfunctioning stuff from China sounds par for the course to be honest.

[@jackmizell5894]

Hey Cap, would love to see this revisited with all of the updates and new assets that have been made lately!

[@lohrtom]

Suddenly, I have a craving for General Tao chicken

[@ericclausen6772]

US should never let one fleet to go into the SCS

[@EvolvedTactical]

Cap, Do you think the YJ-12s never went for a target because the southern ChiCom AWACS got taken out, and the northern one was out of range to see the ships? Just spit balling. As always, excellent work. Much appreciated.

[@simonwoess5679]

8.57 Billion $ on Amarican side and 5.53 billion $ on the chinese side The aircraft and their missiles alone cost more than the entire Defence budget of spain (I am not even counting in the carrier strike group)

[@IRONIC1688]

Wow! I'm that guy that winks and says wow right now

[@grimreapers]

He is cool

[@petesmith8000]

The Awacs would be protected by a pair of fighters.

[@timallison8560]

probably four each.

[@gavin1506]

I think, It's the way the missiles have been fired. I think they have assessed a wave threat and attacked the destroyers. In reality that's what a Destroyer should be doing (so they did their jobs). A destroyer is calculated at something like a life span of 30 minutes in a cold war battle. If the bombers did wave attacks in a more flowing wave, I'm sure that would work better. I'm liking the new Ship models. I think you need to do this again in a 90's mode in a test to see what happens. The destroyers are floating targets designed to keep the carrier safe.

[@gctzx]

"My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude". 🤣 Love it.

[@stealthassasin1day291]

They now have 2 carrier strike groups in the S China Sea. How would that fare? What about Subs? Could DCS handle the missiles launched on both groups?

[@joem0088]

The fire-power asymmetry between a fleet F and continental power C is so vast, the F has no hope inside the A2AD zone of C. These simulations I have seen never allow this asymmetry to come into play, or the depletion of fleet missile to figure. In reality the fleet's AD stock would have depleted when new waves of attack missiles are still incoming. C has high altitude SAT surveillance to know if key target has been hit instantly, and the need to send in more waves. After AD depletion, reloading is not possible except in daylight and very very calm sea so the fleeting has to race to retire to base. But it probably does not have time to exit C's A2AD range, and lost capital ships before finding distance.

[@Pimps-R-us]

Love the new(ish) lose counter you use now

[@Emma15969]

This just keeps getting better and better.

[@surefresh8412]

We need the Flight IIA Arleigh Burke-class destroyer in game, which can use the ESSM

[@cliffwahl7769]

Love the 'ol’ DW reference. BOOGITY, BOOGITY, BOOGITY LETS GO RACIN BOYS!

[@cshader2488]

I wish there was a map-maker for DCS, where you could build your own area.

[@grimreapers]

Agree

[@stupidburp]

I wish there was a way to combine DCS with Command: Modern Operations

[@adamnoftsinger]

The model for struck ships is amazing!! Keep up the amazing work!

[@jamison884]

I don't think China (human player bird) going after the US AWACS is relevant for this type of battle. There would be a massive amount of communication from battle command and the AWACS itself if any incoming jet flanked or even looked at the AWACS wrong, the AWACS would automatically perform defensive maneuvers as needed (even if that means simply flying away or towards friendly cover), and the real world pilots would know to defend their AWACS rather than ignore its defense. Just figured that's worth a comment for sim purposes.

[@jet_novice9901]

the ai in dcs is very stupid and only does what you program for it to do and it does provide a massive amount of communication and provides intercept data Wardogs

[@t.r.4496]

I'm sure the AWACS would be flying over destroyer cover also. They wouldn't leave him out there to hang.

[@jet_novice9901]

@@t.r.4496 possibly but hard to tell

[@jamison884]

@@jet_novice9901 Yeah I know DCS AI and instructions are very difficult, with very little capability. This is why I believe the AWACS should be off limits for at least *certain scenarios, as it can't defend itself intelligently per a real world scenario.

[@Beldoras]

In the tacview at 07:14:09 a "Parachutist" was shot down by a PL-15 lmao

[@superpooper_2030]

Actually, China will use combination of JH-7 drones, swarm drones, submarine drones, mothership drones, stealth drone WZ, normal drone CH-4/5/6, etc as first strike. You need more than 5000 anti missiles and anti-air defense to win the drones.

[@SarcastSempervirens]

Never thought I'd see the US Navy fighting the US/Russian planes.

[@MrCastodian]

Strange that you use weapons that haven’t entered service for now, is that not a bit cheating? And PL-15 can be retarget if the initial target are missed, AWACS can give them new targets via data links, including against ships, if that was made this battle would have been way more messy…

[@aauwhatitdo1582]

This is a 2025 simulation because that appears to be the earliest feasible invasion year. All tech will be ready long before that year.

[@Arcane808]

I have become obsessed with these videos

[@geekstradamus1548]

Awesome as always! However, there is no way China could get that many planes in the air without that much activity being picked up by satellite surveillance, and allowing the Americans to get aircraft into the air from the carriers and Okinawa.

[@travelfoxxxx]

Exactly! Why are you the one the few comments mentioning this? You only 2 likes. There is no way Chinese airpower would have this much element of preemptive advantage. US fleet would have scrambled a wave of missles & jets much quicker than this scenario. Though entertaining, these vids seem to have bias towards US being defeated when entering data for simulation.

[@GG_Wolves]

Could the RAAF defend a attack from the Chinese either land or sea

[@roubanopo5355]

I was really waiting for the last fight between chinese missiles and the US ships, but it ended like the last season of GOT

[@iiKiboshii-c3z]

"Surprise attack" with massive flights of aircraft. US Geospatial intelligence: Lol

[@shanemartin2491]

I think the US navy needs a 57 or 76mm 3 barrel rotary cannon CIWS of a bolt on bolt off nature to replace the Phalanx. Some of those AShM got way to close.

[@mattseller148]

Great content as always. I am pretty sure that China wants to upgrade the J-20 with thrust vectoring to improve it's manuverability to a SU-27 style of capability but I also am not sure when they want to do this or if it will even happen.

[@mattseller148]

@Jake's Tutorials True, and there is a good chance nothing will come of it.

[@henrygibson9613]

Hi Cap Regarding a mid/late 2020s US carrier airwing Battle Order did a really good video on what it may contain. In short: .16 F35 Cs .28 F18E/Fs .5-7 EA 18 G .5 E2D .5-9 MQ5 stealth UAV refuelers .3 CMV-22Bs .6-10 MH60 Would be interesting to see in a Naval Fight against China as I'm guessing they would also operate an approx. 55% combat plane mix too. AKA 32 J15s.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks.

[@fredm1988]

Love all the ways you try to fix weapons capable and , all the military technology of military assets involved

[@Sidekick_Snowman]

I'm a valued viewer!

[@jamesfletcher9032]

The missiles might have not been attacking the carrier as the nearest chinese AWACS got shot down and the other was quite far away.

[@LDV8Foax]

14:14 best battle cry ever

[@timallison8560]

these simulated battles are impressively great at pinpointing future and/or present needs. for instance as i watch the battle, i would think the two best needs for a fleet located off another countries borders would be either, spy satellite capability of real time air space monitoring from the coast inland 100 miles, or high altitude stealth real time air space monitoring for the same area. this way you could at least be observing for incoming assets that are beyond the awacs range. secondly, if you are going to have a fleet off the coast, you might want to consider deploying a few subs even closer inland just along the coast loaded up like surface to air missile trucks, just in case they were needed.

[@stupidburp]

Sadly antisat missiles will destroy most useful satellites on day one of a major conflict between US and PLA. The PLA have already explicitly threatened to do so.

[@timallison8560]

@@stupidburp you have me laughing from my gut.

[@aauwhatitdo1582]

@@timallison8560 It's true, we'd do the same too. It's the first thing that would be done in an actual modern war between two powers. We'd have to launch new satellites every few weeks, which is why we are pumping a lot of money into SpaceX.

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

The most dangerous two words in the English language just popped up in my mind. What if… What if the LHA/LHD plus planes and escorts were replaced with a Queen Elizabeth class, it’s planes, plus it’s standard escort which I believe is two Type 45s and two Type 23/26 depending on year, and fit the British with Meteors. Similar could be done with the French carrier. For the British swap in the current Canadian and/or Australian ships of the same size classes. I think we can ignore New Zealand, they only have two frigates though they have been upgraded recently (2-3 years) in Canadian yards. Heck, for that matter if you can the Canadian OSPV modelled, I’d really like to see how it’s main gun would do against missiles. Haha. I don’t want much do I. Amazingly educational and entertaining mission today folks. Too bad about the missile coding issues, and your server trying to imitate Chernobyl! But hot damn, it was great.

[@2001TMA1]

Good fight, but the AIM-260's flight profile doesn't quite make sense. Why both stages directly after each other? It would probably be better if the first served as a booster for the second to build speed and loft the AAM. Then ignite the second stage when you reach the endgame. This would give the AIM-260 performance comparable to that of the Meteor, especially in the final phase.

[@aauwhatitdo1582]

They are finding a compromise between speed throughout the flight and range. It is better to have a missile that travels 200km in 3 minutes than a missile that travels 500km in 8 minutes. Better time to kill.

[@Lord_Shadowz]

No submarines for the American group?? Come on! I actually loled at the guy playing China. He was hilarious! Great video as always!

[@Wyomingchief]

You do realize this is not a naval simulator, DCS is a aircraft simulation with Naval assets. Having said that submarines are not modeled in the current generation of the games so there's no way to even add them at this point. Other than assets that just sale on the surface and don't do anything😂😂

[@MkD_SENS]

Day #5 of asking for Hornet dogfights

[@kypackerfan4-12-15]

Other than that this was a great battle; the thing is the us wouldn't just send 1 or 2 carriers. More like 3-5.

[@aauwhatitdo1582]

I don't know, the US still has a lot of security obligations around the world. I'd say the west coast carrier, the pacific carrier, and maybe the Indian ocean carrier.

[@williamrausch4245]

It takes time to move 2 additional carriers from the west coast or other theaters, but there would probably be at least two carrier groups near by to be able to join together. Remember this scenario is only day two. Assuming intelligence was good and the US started moving carriers into place prior to hostilities, then two carriers could be on hand on day two. Of course, with enough warning, more could be there, but modeling one (or two) is most realistic on day two of hostilities.

[@davenobody407]

3-5 US carriers are constantly in repairs and re-fitting, and as other ppl correctly pointed out there’re other obligations such as Ukraine, Middle East and home defense.

[@frenchroast1355]

The sonic booms give me goosebumps...

[@Amazing_You]

About those Anti Ship Missiles going for the destroyers, word is; Commanders of frigates/destroyers would deliberately get between the Missiles and Carrier/s....since the CV is the most expensive, heavily crowd, flagship of the CSG. (don't quote me on that, just something to consider)

[@mugekuge]

In case you guys should know, this is just the 7th fleet excluding the AFB in Okinawa and the Japanese MSDF... and the Australian Navy/Air force... the 7th is deeply nerfed as far as AOR itself. not accounted with other CTF, and air force components. As i remembered correctly 7th fleet during these excises always play a no win situation just need to hold it out until 3rd fleet and 5th fleet.

[@xchillkillx]

Maybe YJ 12 failed because only one Awacs since one got Shot down

[@timallison8560]

and it was the closer of the two. the other was quite far away.

[@marklampo8164]

Christopher Robin after TDY to MK Ultra.

[@jtom9086]

The new PL-15 (V2) seem to perform way worse than V1,they couldn’t seem to track the target that well unlike the V1 and Cap if u can mod the AIM-260 than why not also mod the PL-17/PL-21 and J-35 as well

[@hughmungus2760]

the PL17 is a 6m long mach 6 missile that can be fired at 400+km range, it would just be fired at the AWACs right at the start of the battle.

[@Kenneth_James]

My social credit score is rising faster than my altitude! lol great line

[@sweatybotfn9982]

This is so realistic 😂😂😂 you forgot the “it’s not the plane it’s the pilot” part and without talking about maneuvers and flairs