Could A Harrier/Viggen Squadron Have Stopped Operation Sea Lion? (WarGames 6) | DCS

[@PraetorAirsoft]

Being called a valued viewer always makes my day

[@OrbEmber]

same ere mate, same ere.

[@lionemessi]

Yeah it really makes me feel like a have a purpose

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

@@lionemessi I have blessed cotton socks

[@Colonel_Blimp]

For sure

[@romakrelian]

@@OrbEmber lol. There is a tab beneath your comment that says “translate to english.”

[@ryanpayne7707]

Shootout to the RAF mechanics who repaired and turned around futuristic aircarft in record time with no training. The pilots get all the glory...

[@Mojje42]

as a former S-AF mechnic i agree

[@huskvarnarymd8337]

Actually Sweden built its airforce around the notion that it would be fighting a kind of air "Battle of Sweden" against the russians. Having large airbases was useless since these would be destroyed with ease. Therefore the swedish made fighters were made to be able to operate from roads all over the country. Since a large portion of the country is covered in dense forest, it would be possible to hide alot of fighters in these wooded areas. The planes were also designed to require very few maintenance personel.

[@juliusfucik4011]

Yes and now look up how many Viggens the Swedes had, because it wasn't very many.

[@BPo75]

@@juliusfucik4011 >300 aircraft was still a rather respectable force for the era. Swedish war planning was nothing but realistic though. In case the Cold war turned hot and most of the WP-forces were directed towards the Fulda gap, the Swedish airforce was expected to last about week and a half as a coherent organisation, after that the air flotillas would be so attrited that they were down to individual aircraft missions. A focused effort on Sweden as prelude for a full scale war was the worse case scenario, where the airforce would only last 2-3 days before the surviving aircraft, dispersed and isolated, would revert to improvised individual groups doing essential guerrilla warfare.

[@meejinhuang]

Once the Germans see the hovering harriers, they would turn around and report to HQ the alien technology the British now have.

[@marmite8959]

Probably true, jokes aside ze Germans were pretty paranoid about allied technology. When U-Boats started getting detected by British RADAR and promptly sunk they equipped their submarines with an early form of RWR. After the Enigma code was cracked and the allies could decrypt the transmissions from the U-Boats to determine their locations, German intelligence assumed that it was impossible that Enigma could've been broken and there must be something else afoot. They thought the Brits had developed an RWR-detector and so ordered their U-Boats to turn off their RWR sets. Of course all this did was make the German subs more vulnerable to RADAR detection on top of having their radio transmissions intercepted.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@marmite8959 the speed of the Viggen, and the fact it meant we had broken neutrality with that kind of tech up our sleeve would make OKW run their orderlies ragged just fetching the entire staff replacement underwear.

[@johnhmstr]

Seeing those Viggens used for proper improvised airfield operations piloted so expertly is a beautiful thing to behold. Rogue13 MVP

[@grimreapers]

Great flying!

[@Mojje42]

Thank you

[@ClodiusP]

Who here wants to see what a single CBU 97 does to a group of landing craft?

[@bradleysilfies1350]

Thought the same thing.

[@rdionne]

Same, I was like wait, their in clumps....time for the fun popcorn

[@silentwatcher1455]

In reality, no intelligent pilot will waste a cbu on that small thing.

[@rubiconnn]

They already did that with the small Iranian gunboats. They don't work too well as they are too spread out.

[@grimreapers]

Sadly no VTOL/STOL planes carry them :(

[@scdavis5074]

Hey cap, I’ve never played a minute of DCS or IL 2 but I’ve been watching all your videos for the last several months. Love your content and just wanted to say thank you for the entertainment. I know you put a lot of work in to it. I hope you continue to grow your channel and wish you the best.

[@grimreapers]

Pleasure SC

[@Partstim]

Ditto that - not into the gameplay at all, but I'm really enjoying these videos. As for this scenario, once you're out of ammo, I can only imagine a supersonic flyby at , say, 200 feet or so overhead. that would really ruin the day of those barges. I don't know if that effect is in the game, but I can imagine this would, uh ... discourage the troops from making a landing. Try coordinating a beach landing when all of the troops are deaf.

[@alexnewman9290]

Same my gf and I like it but we are afraid the game will suck us in so we don’t play

[@alanp9740]

Don't worry, Captain Mainwaring and the boys from the home guard would have mopped up any Jerries that made it ashore.

[@jimbodimbo981]

They don’t like it up ‘em

[@Nails077]

Very nice to see the Viggen used as it was intended. Many quick strikes with very fast turnaround.

[@Mojje42]

indeed

[@jimrussell4062]

Wow. The naval bombardment was amazing! I didn't think it'd be that well modeled in DCS. Great short field landing skills too!

[@alganhar1]

Shame both Gneisenau and Scharnhorst were in dock undergoing repairs on torpedo damage at the time the video is supposed to take place, and the Bismark/Tirpitz would not be completed for almost another year.....

[@No1sonuk]

There's a castle at Deal that had 2 six-inch Naval guns that look like they could reach the Scharnhorst where you have it (14 miles max range).

[@Rover200Power]

There were a significant number of gun batteries in the Dover Straight, including 15 inch, 13.5 inch and 9.2 inch guns. Most of which would have been able to fire on Scharnhorst.

[@grimreapers]

nice!

[@anonymous2513456]

@@Rover200Power the 2x biggest ones could land shell's on the French coast. Sadly, Gerry also had big guns in France that could land shell's in Dover.

[@alganhar1]

@@grimreapers Worse, at the time Scharnhorst AND Gneisenau were out of action. Scharnhorst had suffered a torpedo hit from the destroyer HMS Acasta during the latters futile attempt to save HMS Glorious which had her in drydock for repairs until December 1940. Gneisenau had been hit by a torpedo launched by the submarine HMS Clyde which saw her in drydock for repairs until late November 1940. In fact all the Germans had available in the late summer/early autumn of 1940 for Sealion were 7 Destroyers and 3 Cruisers. in contrast, in home waters alone, the Royal Navy could call on 6 battleships, 2 aircraft carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 Destroyers..... That does NOT include Force H in Gibraltar or the independently powerful Mediterranean Fleet. Given that Naval disparity, I would like people to explain to me how Sealion was possible at all, especially considering the Luftwaffes lack of pilots trained in anti shipping operations in 1940. There is a hell of a difference between bombing an airfield and bombing an actively manoeuvring Destroyer at sea....

[@DERP_Squad]

@@alganhar1 It wasn't possible at all, but it would make for a very dull video if it was just an impression of Churchill saying 'Send for the HMS Warspite and the Tribals.'

[@ghostviggen]

Viggen always works the best when it used as it built for. Fly low hit hard return and rearm and pound them again.

[@jamiewaterman8147]

Sounds like my love life.

[@Mojje42]

that's what makes it so much fun to fly

[@hegemonycricket9549]

Interesting scenario. The one thing that I found conspicuously absent were the Ju-52 transports, that the Germans would almost certainly have used to deliver paratroopers.

[@tomsoki5738]

Britain was so densely packed with Home Guard and British army personnel, not to mention angry farmers with shotguns that no airborne assault would’ve made significant head room without heavy equipment and reinforcements from the sea

[@fgialcgorge7392]

Every time I see a Harrier I think of that scene in True Lies when Arnold Schwarzenegger shoots the missle with the terrorist dangling off it and says "You're fired." 😂

[@pelmen1294]

Scharnhorst mains were 11 inch and tirpitz were 15 inch.

[@darkstar453]

10:16 Those cow's really don't care about the jets taking off right next to them.

[@trolleriffic]

They're the ground crew (or is it ground moo?)

[@grimreapers]

Aviation cows.

[@philipr.6090]

@@trolleriffic ground beef

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

If the Poms lost the Battle of Britain, what a frightening scenario! That shelling of that coastal town was painful. I would like to see what happens if you use cluster bombs for the barges. Thanks for exploring alternative histories, very entertaining. 👍 (Ps. Can Harriers and Viggens carry a nuclear bomb! One on Nuremberg during one of their assemblies could be interesting)😃

[@alancraley8273]

my thought exactly. Just like the Iranian gun boats, ii think the cluster munitions would devastate the barges

[@alganhar1]

Erm... if the Poms lost the BoB how would it be frightening? Take a look at the relative NAVAL strengths in 1940, specifically in the Autumn of 1940 after the BoB. Germany had, ready to sail, 7 destroyers and 3 Cruisers. That was it. That was their entire surface fleet able to sail at the time of Sealion. They had already lost half their available destroyers and a modern cruiser during the Norway Campaign, with other ships damaged. In addition there were further vessels in for routine refits. The Royal Navy on the other hand, had in British waters, so not including Force H in Gib and the Mediterranean Fleet amounted to 6 battleships, 2 Aircraft Carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 destroyers. All able to sail. Given that in 1940 the Luftwaffe had few pilots actually trained in anti shipping operations, and they were all in the Condors there is no way Germany could have invaded. The RN wouldn't have even needed to commit major assets, a half dozen Cruisers and a dozen or so Destroyers would be more than capable of keeping the Surface escort busy while Motor torpedo and gun boats tore apart the helpless converted River Barges the Germans were using as 'Landing Craft', which in good conditions could manage MAYBE 3.5 knots....

[@patthewoodboy]

@@alganhar1 agree Sealion was never going to happen even if Germany had air superiority

[@chewyfoks1840]

@@alganhar1 If the BoB has been lost, the Axis would've invaded Britain completely. The US wouldn't have come to their aid if Pearl Harbor had gone ahead. The Russians may not have entered the war if Hitler stopped at the UK. Lots of ifs and buts. However, born much after WW2 events, would we be any less happy if we grew up speaking German in Britain? We wouldn't know any different apart from old pictures in history books. Interesting thinking about it.

[@m1a1abramstank49]

@@chewyfoks1840 The Axis, if they tried to invade would be a giant mistake. They didn’t even have proper landing craft by that time or even a navy comparing to the British Navy in that area. German aircraft didn’t even have AP Bombs so destroying the ships would’ve been a rough task. Britain would’ve also recovered and made more fighters based off of their production of aircraft during the Battle of Britain

[@GeekSHO]

Ah, so this is what it looks like in Civ5 when my military tech is two generations higher than my opponent. Amazing footage and super fun to watch, GR! Keep it up!

[@ka9dgx]

Can an A-10 Warthog take off from a road? It would be so much fun to see the BRRRRRRRRRRRT take out the barges.

[@No1sonuk]

You'd have to pick one with no power lines alongside - it's quite a wide wingspan.

[@rubiconnn]

The A10 wouldn't be as effective. It's low speed and short gun range would mean it would get shredded by gunfire.

[@phalcon23]

Yes, the did landings In the us this year

[@grimreapers]

Tried but was just too wide for British roads...

[@superkjell]

@@rubiconnn The A-10 can take a lot of damage. The guns of the BF-109s would probably be ineffective.

[@johanmetreus1268]

Would been interesting to see what one Viggen with Robot 15 would achieve against Tirpitz and Scharnhorst respectively, scrambled before the shore bombardment.

[@imranaiman7184]

Love the way cap yell next as the harriers took off,he runs the the control like dmv counter

[@Mojje42]

taking off from that road was not easy... specially with the bump that you hit just at takeoff speed (lucky i had Stage 3 AFB) landing was much harder as one landed in the dip (but not bad with 7 takeoff and 6 landings) Fun mission! but i wonder if Predator drones buddy lasing for the Harriers would have made it easier for them or cluster bombs.... hmm BK-90 for Viggen?

[@No1sonuk]

That was impressive flying, and Cap screwing up the landing showed it wasn't nearly as easy as you made it look.

[@MrSinnerBOFH]

Or infantry with laser designators near the beaches.

[@grimreapers]

Well done Rog Ue cementing your place in DCS history.

[@Mojje42]

@@No1sonuk yeah he landed slightly to much left on the road... you had to be in the center as to far left you'd hit a pole but to far right wheel goes in the grass.. which actually happened in one of my landings but i was lucky enough to quickly recover

[@Mojje42]

@@grimreapers Thank you i was dreading the takeoff and landing so much i kinda forgot about the 109 air threat... oppssy

[@huginstarkstrom]

as far as classic scenarios go, hunting the bismark or destroying the Tirpiz in the Fjord would be amazing.

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

Awesome battle. I love the idea of having other squadrons compete by doing these scenarios.

[@bassett_green]

Wowza thatViggen consistently landing and taking off from the road is black magic

[@MrRldunton]

Bismarck class battleships had 15 inch guns. More precily 380 mm

[@alganhar1]

All very nice, but the Bismarks would not enter service until the following year, so rather impossible for them to be involved don't you think? In fact at the time Sealion was to take place the Germans did not HAVE any operational Battleships as Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were in drydock being repaired after sustaining heavy torpedo damage and would not be ready for service again until November 1940 (Gneis) and December 1940 (Scharn).

[@imjashingyou3461]

Well if we are going with histroical accuracy the seawaves and weather WOULD have stopped Sealion, before the Royal Navy decimated it even if the Luftwaffe had air superiority. The Kregismarine had about 12 major combat ships (Destroyers and Bigger. The Invasion of Norway decimated the kreigsmarine, and you WAY overpoulated the ships they had.) operational at that point against the home fleet of over 100, and were trying to cross the channel in riverine, craft, barges, and other non oceanic craft no suitable for the channel. The Luftwaffe at this point had no good anti ship weapons, and was particularly bad at anti shipping at this point.

[@LeoStorm007]

As much I like these videos, the fun, the creativity of these situations and the simulations. I'm here for caps commentary and the team. They make these so fun to watch. I don't think it would be as good otherwise. And it is weirdly calming and leaves me with a smile on my face by the end of it, like I learned something new and yet hung out with my buddies doing it. So thanks cap for these videos. Hope you and everyone are doing well.

[@grimreapers]

Thx Leo

[@zawiszaczarnysulima3700]

I wonder whether cluster munition would generate results? Barges were nicely grouped.

[@rubiconnn]

They tried that with the Iranian gunboats and they didn't work too well.

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

@@rubiconnn always fun to see them try

[@grimreapers]

Just too heavy to carry with VTOL

[@alganhar1]

@@rubiconnn The 'Landing Craft' the Germans actually 'built' were converted Rhine River Barges capable of MAYBE 3.5 knots in calm conditions, assuming they had engines at all, about two thirds did not and would have had to be towed in either by other barges, or the destroyer escort. If the invasion (which was impossible due to Naval power disparity but hey ho) took place during an ebbing Tide then those barges would be lucky to make 1.5 knots against the tide flow, and it would be even WORSE if they were stupid enough to try the invasion on a Spring Tide despite the higher water level as the flow on the ebb is even faster, meaning those barges caught on the ebb would essentially be at a standstill even while under full power..... So yeah, I think a cluster bomb would have worked quite nicely against what the Germans ACTUALLY had available.....

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@grimreapers not too heavy for Viggen though I suspect, and I suspect a couple of RBS 15 would have made short work of the capital ships due to lack of proximity fuses for their AAA.

[@justSkitBra]

all swedish aircrafts, viggen and JAS39 Gripen have the short takeoff requirement.

[@elborko6821]

Remember the SNL skit What if Napoleon had a B-52 at Waterloo

[@bonesmiginty2458]

Cap you should do an American Pacific theater re-enactment of WWII! Island hopping invasions, major battles, maybe even a "What If" invading Japan!

[@grimreapers]

Roger noted.

[@mandalorion]

That's some beautiful flying in the Viggen.

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@Mojje42]

Thank you

[@goatslunch6991]

Land in a soccer field. Does that mean even if its a perfect landing you will fall over with a fake injury?

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Yes.

[@Wolfen443]

That coastal bombardment, wow is just amazing but terrifying at the same time. Actually, if the Luftwaffe had put down the RAF, it just might have been possible to open a safe route in the channel for the invasion fleet if the British navy was kept away for a while.

[@anonymous2513456]

Are you forgetting about the Royal Navy's Home Fleet which by 1940 also contained the Royal Dutch Navy and the Royal Norwegian navy? It was an absurdly powerful fleet. Whole the Luftwaffe may have been able to inflict heavy losses on the Home Fleet, it would not have been enough to prevent the destruction of the Axis landing forces mid channel. This was all war gamed out in the 70's at Sandhurst. The RAF were not the only thing holding back the German invasion, the Home Fleet ensured that it could never be successful aside from perhaps the first wave, which would have been out of ammo and food within 2 days.

[@ladela7348]

@@anonymous2513456 That Wargame was actually done several times. One time they basically said the RAF and Royal Navy couldn't do anything for the first few weeks of the campaign. The Germans still lost because they couldn't supply their troops.

[@trolleriffic]

@@anonymous2513456 As I understand it Sealion wasn't even supposed to have been drawn up because Hitler never expected to have to go to war with Britain, instead seeing us as natural allies.

[@alganhar1]

No, no it wouldn't. Both in service German battleships were out of action being repaired after sustaining torpedo damage (one by HMS Acasta, the other by the Submarine HMS Clyde). In the late summer/early autumn of 1940 Germany had precisely 7 destroyers and 3 Cruisers capable of putting to sea. Royal Navy? 6 Battleships, 2 Aircraft Carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 Destroyers IN HOME WATERS ALONE. This did NOT include Force H or the independently powerful Mediterranean Fleet. Frankly the RN would never have had to risk Capital assets, a half dozen cruisers and a dozen destroyers is all they would have needed, and use the flotillas of MTB's and MGB's (motor torpedo/gun boats) to tear apart the converted barge landing craft that were capable of an entire 3.5 knots on a good day. Any attempt to land German troops against that Naval disparity would have led to 10 German Divisions on the bottom of the Channel...... And no, the Luftwaffe could not have done much, they inflicted relatively few losses in Destroyers at Dunkirk despite those destroyers being more or less still. At the time Germany had very few pilots or aircrews trained in anti shipping operations, and those they did have were all in the Condors on anti Convoy duty.

[@dennismcintosh3699]

these are so fun to watch! im in the middle of it now. Ac130s with some fighter cover would be great in this situation

[@artonline01]

Poor Simba how embarrassing for him.

[@grimreapers]

Bless him...

[@vanguard9067]

Being in a landing barge would seem like avenging angels roaring out of the sky without understanding of and defense against my impending death. I would be begging the barge captain to please turn around and get me back safely to Calais.

[@rogerrussell5155]

Loving to see the keep calm and carry on harriers taking teapots on their sorties

[@rembratt]

So: Could something that never happened be stopped by something that could never happen? Your counterfactual theme just reached a new high! :-D Keep it up!

[@CombatIneffective]

Gonna stop you on the FW-190. It wasn't introduced to the Luftwaffe until August of 1941. Operation Sea Lion was scheduled for September of 1940 and therefore no FW-190s would have been available.

[@grimreapers]

Well spotted!

[@superkjell]

Also - Operation Barbarossa started in june 1941, so the Germans did have all the resources available on the western front in 1940.

[@danieljones7843]

8:34 you are absolutely right. Turpitz had 15 inch guns. Scharnhorst had the same 11 inch guns as Graf spee too…

[@sebastes0558]

Sooooo happy you did this!!! Right after you did the A-10 v Ju88 video. My first thought was could A-10 stopped Operation Sea Lion. Thank you all so much for the fun!

[@grimreapers]

:)

[@Gromit801]

Properly programmed A-10’s would work well.

[@psylentbob1]

Thanks Cap and the GR team. Love your videos and this one especially. I'm based in Ramsgate and it's lovely to see the site of the worlds biggest Wetherspoons getting hammered by German naval artillery. Keep up the good work.

[@EdMcF1]

A10 Warthogs to pepper the barges with 'brrrrrrrrr!'.

[@KLD2929]

I can only imagine if there were spitfires added into the IA to take care of the air to air attacks while your taking out the transports, would have been ideal.

[@bearcatracing007]

Yay the Tirpitz using its 15in guns for something other than protecting a fjord..

[@cf453]

These alt-history missions are a lot of fun! I wonder what the RBS-15 blast radius is? ;)

[@alganhar1]

Some issues. Issue 1) Landing Craft. The Landing Craft the Germans had for Sea Lion were converted River Barges, two thirds were unpowered, and those that did have engines could make about 3.5 knots. Hardly ideal when considering the ebbing tide around most of the UK reaches 2 knots (faster in some places), meaning that during an ebbing tide those barges would be making 1.5 knots against the flow. During a Spring tide when the flow rate is faster then they would be effectively stationary during an ebbing tide.... Issue 2) You would not need aircraft. The Royal Navy was more than capable of defending against a Landing. At the end of the Battle Of Britain the Kreigsmarine had 7 Destroyers and 3 Cruisers capable of sailing. They had other surface assets but they were all either undergoing routine refits, or were undergoing repairs, generally for battle damage suffered. In contrast the Royal Navy had on hand, around the UK, so not including Force H in Gibraltar or the Mediterranean Fleet, 6 Battleships, 2 aircraft Carriers, 25 Cruisers and over 100 Destroyers. This is ACTIVE ships and does not include ships in refit or under repair. Given that disparity there is NO WAY Germany could have launched a seaborne invasion of the UK Mainland. Period. The RN would not even need to commit Capital assets. A half dozen Cruisers and a couple of dozen Destroyers could have easily kept the German fleet assets busy while Motor Torpedo and Motor Gun Boats slaughtered the more or less helpless invasion barges. U Boats would not be an answer either, as the likely invasion beaches due to the slow speed of the barges were all within the narrow confines of the Channel, which means EXTREMELY shallow water. The narrow Channel waters are a nightmare even for modern submarines, for WWII boats they were a death trap.

[@ryanbrewis6990]

@@xyz-hj6ul Fuck me I've never read such a load of Nazi wank since The Raid on Scapa Flow. Bravo sir/madam.

[@ViperBATDTF]

Awesome! I'm currently tied up on learning the 14 and the 18, and patiently waiting for that masterpiece the AH-64D... now I believe I'll have to buy the Falcon!

[@Anarchy_420]

F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk F-15 STOL/MTD VS F-16I Sufa Extreme AOA VS Extreme Missile Rating👍 F-4U Corsair VS MIG-15 MB-339 Aerimacchi VS Viggen T-45 Goshawk VS F-14 Tomcat AV-8 Harrier VS MIG-23 Flogger Please fly the Planes on the left😁✌

[@jamesa.7604]

Well Done, Boys! Sent them swimming and crying back home!

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@Evocati-Augusti]

I've had a Saab as my 3rd car since 1997, and 2 of them were stage 3 Viggens.

[@zhengsng6203]

It's quite overkill taking down those bardges with missiles... Take them down with Hydra rocket with armour piercing warhead is pretty good enough..

[@flybywire5866]

At 10:40 there are some quite cool cows 😋

[@kingtigerbooks1162]

Great channel ! Thanks to computer simulations we can find out how a small group of modern fighter jets will do against a massive array of WW2 fighters. Only in a good simulation can such wild battles take place, without anyone getting hurt. To me it's the stuff of Sci-Fi. To whom it may concern, my 3 favorite science fiction art books are : - Wonderworks by Michael Whelan - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson - Icon by Frank Frazetta

[@Naylte]

From what I can recall of the Wehrmacht's logistics available for Sea Lion, the USS Enterprise (CV-6) would've been enough.

[@alganhar1]

You are missing a little thing called the Royal Navy.... They did not need USS Enterprise..... But you are correct in any case. Given the Naval disparity, which I have mentioned elsewhere, Sealion was a fanatics pipe dream. It was impossible from the start and just about the only people who realised that was, ironically enough, the Kreigsmarine and the Royal Navy.

[@timbaskett6299]

The Luftwaffe would be embarrassed to know where some of the tech for the Harrier came from, the P.1127 and Kestrel. 😄

[@mrlodwick]

Thank you Cap- wife still well all is good!

[@edmorris1437]

Love the sound the Harriers make when they fly by.

[@willwozniak2826]

Nice take off and landing on the road boys....Ohhh Yurrrrr!!!

[@Mojje42]

Thank you

[@jimbodimbo981]

The cows are totally chilled

[@peterrobinson9402]

The bombardment was pretty scary. But whatever killed the RAF, FAA, the Royal Navy and the shore batteries and Royal Artillery must have been terrifying! I assume a terrible storm sent battle ships flying into airfields and factories. You used the right tactics. The Argentine pilots attacked battleships not troop ships in 1982 and it didn’t end well.

[@Pablo668]

I'm going to 2nd that comment about being called a valued viewer. It's awesome. That's as good as a win really, you denuded the landing force by about 3/4 before they landed. That would do the trick.

[@philipking6284]

the cows were amazingly calm on first take off :-)

[@richardchurchill5181]

How about using a few "grid removal tools" (MLRS) batteries against the barges? Cluster munitions would mostly land in the water, but a salvo from one vehicle into a formation would still likely do a lot of damage and sink some of the Higgins boats. Enough MLRS vehicles might still do enough damage, particularly as they are capable of running and hiding to avoid being killed.

[@alganhar1]

You know what the Germans were actually planning on using as Landing Craft? They didnt HAVE anything like Higgins boats. Their LC's were converted River Barges that could MAYBE manage 3.5 knots on a good day..... So given that information how effective do you think MLRS might be now?

[@grimreapers]

Those tools don't work on multiplayer sadly :(

[@richardchurchill5181]

@@alganhar1 Very. First, I don't believe the game has barges of the type the Germans intended to use, so Higgins boats are the logical stand-in. It is a matter of density of bomblets in target area and the density of barges in that area. A battle of M270s can place nearly 70,000 bomblets in the target area when firing the M26 rocket, or nearly 56,000 firing either the M26A1 or M26A2 rockets. Each bomblet is a DPICM or Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition roughly the equivalent of a grenade. Calculate the number of hits needed to sink or fully disable a barge and this would also likely leave the personnel on the barrage either dead or hors de combat. Set the targeting area size to provide the needed density and aim ahead of the advancing group targeted appropriately, then you should sink or effectively destroy a solid majority in that area. Rinse and repeat as needed.

[@alganhar1]

​@@richardchurchill5181 The Higgins boats are not a logical stand in. The Barges were far larger and slower, each carrying around a full company compared to the platoon of the Higgins boats. Higgins boats make around 17 knots in good seas, compared to the maybe 3.5 of the barges. Now I will accept that the Higgins boats may be the only possible stand in given the game assets, but because they are the only possible stand in it seriously affects the realism of the scenario as the naval forces are moving far, far faster than they would have had to in reality due to the limitations of the speed of the barges being used as Landing Craft. Higgins boats were purpose designed for opposed amphibious assaults, the barges were converted civilian vessels.... Does not mean much for either if actually hit, but the smaller size and faster speed, plus the relative agility of the Higgins boats would render them somewhat less vulnerable to such a bombardment as they are smaller and faster targets. The larger barges, being slower and cumbersome however..... Well for them its rather like shooting fish in a barrel....

[@richardchurchill5181]

@@alganhar1 What suitable substitutes other than Higgins boats are there in this simulation? There really aren't any. Larger landing vessels were almost exclusive to the allies and Japan and sufficiently more robust to not be comparable to a barge as they were ocean-going vessels. I do not believe Japanese vessels are useable in European waters in this simulation in any case, given what I have been told. You are mistaken about the speed of a Higgins boat. In good conditions they could reach 17 KILOMETERS an hour, which is closer to 9 knots. In anything other than good conditions their performance dropped significantly ... and the English Channel is rarely "good." Square bows and even a relatively light chop are not a good mix. As for simulation purposes, the fact that the barges would be less robust means the same number of hits that would sink a barge would likely to the same for a Higgins boat. Thus, if you can demonstrate that the M270 system is effective against Higgins boats you have good evidence to conclude it would be against the larger barges. As for maneuverability, cluster munitions don't really care if you are maneuvering so long as you are within their area of effect. It is a matter of bomblet density in the area of effect. The task of any landing craft is to reach shore. Maneuvering at sea delays that achievement and keeps the craft at sea where it can be targeted with its load.

[@chrishickman9738]

Cap Watching ur vids has cost me a small fortune on a new hi spec pc to play DCS I salute u for making me make that jump sir :)

[@grimreapers]

lol I can only apologize :)

[@calmterror]

The real targets would have been the larger supply ships and supply landing craft not the troop transports. Army's can not fight if they do not have food and ammo.

[@rubiconnn]

I'm not military strategist, but I disagree. The troops probably carry enough supplies to land and secure the immediate areas. Once the beaches are cleared more supply ships can move in later.

[@phalcon23]

And the can take food from the British

[@alganhar1]

@@rubiconnn Lol, try no? Royal navy at this time = largest Navy IN THE WORLD. it would not be surpassed by the USN until 1943. Getting those troops ashore would have been a miracle from the German perspective, supplying them afterwards is a flat out impossibility. It literally is NOT happening.

[@alganhar1]

@@phalcon23 Right... and what do they do about bullets, shells, spare parts for their vehicles and that sort of thing hmm? They will be carrying combat loads, the chances of the Germans resupplying them is zero as Germany did not have the Naval strength to even THINK about keeping a supply line across the Channel open for hours, let alone days or weeks. They will have lasted maybe 48 hours before they ran out of fuel, ammunition and spares.

[@mortenBP]

I could wish to see this entire scenario over again, but with Harriers watching over a handful of C130 gunships giving it to the barges. Let it rain lead!

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@willammcyoung9433]

hey, throw a few ac-47 (spooky's) in the mix. weapons in those bad lady's would make that rain pedersen, don't yea think? along with the ac-130 ( angels of death).

[@mortenBP]

Just realized that one of the scenario details here is that all airfields are destroyed. So tough on the big gunship birds.

[@justinsmith9135]

Tankie “expert harrier driver”

[@grimreapers]

Technically he flew fine, just his Listening to Briefing is what left a LOT to be desired.

[@jacodebruyn9044]

A10 might also be a good option with the cannon on a good run could take out multiple targets. Love the content!

[@NaeMuckle]

Tornado GR4 would do more damage. Its a much more capable ground attack aircraft.

[@jascrandom9855]

Need more airburst weapons against those landing crafts.

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@jameslynn7271]

loadout with Hydra 70 rocket pods and cluster bombs? attack landing craft formations in formation for mass fires? Need some ADA around the FARPs. 40MM bofors?

[@markzed66]

Highlight of the battle: "Does anyone know what 350 knots is in kmh?"

[@BPo75]

Multiply knots by 1.852 ;)

[@jmccallion2394]

Harrier needs to use their Aden cannons

[@EdMcF1]

The Tirpitz wasn't commissioned until February 1942. Sealion was planned for late 1940.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@ilejovcevski79]

This reminds me so much of Panzer General's 1 operation Sea Lion mission!

[@willammcyoung9433]

Yea, Miss the hell out of those old games. P.G. was so much like chess, not all rush around. You took your time. An playing against the machine was relaxing. And yes this board looks very much like P.G. Sea Lion.

[@ilejovcevski79]

@@willammcyoung9433 well said!

[@fgialcgorge7392]

Man, I think my cats or dog unlock my phone when I'm asleep because it's retarded and if you so much as look at it it turns on and continue the War Games Playlist. Because I don't remember seeing this but I definitely remember hearing it. Down to the specific Harrier designations.

[@jkrende]

You know what would be cool? Start with like, 8 planes like this? Then just keep scaling it up like, one or two planes at a time until you succeed. "What's the amount of force needed?"

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@peteruk8925]

Hi cap regards aircraft you could have brought back which used rough terrain take off or roads etc, was the SEPECAT JAGUAR ! Tough aircraft used in tandem with Harriers would have been formidable to see !!

[@torjones1701]

I would have thought that A-10's would also be really good in this situation as the Warthog can also operate from rough air strips.

[@traildogisla]

Would get mobbed by the 109s

[@torjones1701]

@@traildogisla considering the 350kn "minimum speed" assigned by Cap, you have a fair point.

[@grimreapers]

Also too wide to operate from the roads.

[@ricardomartinez1871]

My wild guess is that MiG-15's 37mm would be more effective to sink those boats.

[@grimreapers]

cool

[@ricardomartinez1871]

What is the circular thing at the right of the Viggen's HUD?

[@grimreapers]

RB-75 sight.

[@ricardomartinez1871]

@@grimreapers Thanks!. First and second video on the YT search: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWaWdYWBiLd9psk kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnLEi5SFhsadiJI

[@drrocketman7794]

8:40 Tirpitz and Bismarck had 15" L/52 main guns.

[@martinschwanke7127]

The sound of the Sharnhorst's "11 inchers" is a little underwhelming when fired. but the end blasts are gut wrencing I wonder any way to mod that initial sill little pop. otherwise good show Cap and Gang, 🙂 All "Said n done" - DCS is a great simulation.

[@peterbrazier7107]

Ha ha Scharnhorst missed my house

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@darkhorse13golfgaming]

Honestly, I'm not sure if the Kriegsmarine could've pulled off Sea Lion even if they had won the Battle of Britain. I love these time machine scenarios though.

[@commandingjudgedredd1841]

Grand Admiral Raeder himself, knew his Navy wasn't ready for such an operation.

[@sergeantklein6026]

More like this please (New Mexico, USA)

[@toomasargel8503]

ATC -air traffic control use is zero "Where You go ? " .

[@ScienceChap]

The Royal Navy would have stopped Sea Lion. Indeed, it did. The Wehrmacht realised it had no hope of crossing the English Channel without defeating the RAF and the RN. The RN would have obliterated a Wehrmacht attempt to do so. They may have got some troops ashore, but they would have withered away with no maritime logistics support.

[@potholerrepairsterra]

amazing video, nice work cap getting more kills in one run than...

[@grimreapers]

Look at me doing a thing!

[@AH64Doc1]

If you can reduce a force by 50 percent, that is a win. The leadership and equipment lost will decimate any possibility for success. Especially when resupply is difficult and attacking the enemies home country.

[@FlightSimDude]

I wonder what the 109 pilots are thinking , LOL

[@grimreapers]

What a frustrating day this is???

[@mirthenary]

Even if you "only" got 80% of the barges, I don't think it would be a very successful invasion. Some, or most of the rest would be killed or captured.

[@VandalIO]

Redo this with Super Tucano

[@STScott-qo4pw]

now THAT would be super interesting. single seat super tu's and twin-seat super tu's doing their thing...

[@bjorngve]

A Swedish road base had a width of at least 17 - 18 m. No telephone poles at the pics I´ve seen. Also not very bumpy.

[@BPo75]

Minimum measures for the emergency rearm/refuel strips was width 13 meters and 600 of length.... and any telephone poles would been shortened to 1/2 metres with pentyl cord ;)

[@trev8591]

Late to the party, but given the Historic threat, don't you think they would authorise the use of cluster munitions? Just a thought, and once again thanks to everyone for the entertainment and laudable flying skills.

[@joegoveia6499]

Amazing flying Rogue!

[@Mojje42]

Thank you

[@joegoveia6499]

@@Mojje42 welcome!

[@kebromglidewell7896]

Your videos are super cool. I really enjoy watching them, thanks for all the amazing videos.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@josephkiernan7367]

I would love to watch you guys do a full war win or loss not just a battle