Could A Modern Warship Flotilla Win The 1942 Battle Of Midway? (Naval Battle 93) |DCS

[@CyberKnightX21]

Yamato versus Iowa class. Upgraded Iowa class that was set up for the Gulf war.😊

[@grimreapers]

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[@omenaccipio]

​@@grimreapers but that is not the 1990s upgraded Iowas.

[@DragonstarFighter]

It wouldn't be a fight... not even close

[@Fix_Bayonets]

There were unused Yamato armor pieces the US got from the ship yard and an Iowa class cut through it like butter. Drak did a what if battle of Leyte Gulf, very entertaining.

[@StalinLovsMsmZioglowfagz]

I’m IJN, all TFW- always love an underdog.

[@MravacKid]

I'd say it's safe to assume that DCS is not quite ready to be a realistic naval battle simulator. :)

[@grimreapers]

Correct. Naval side is more game than sim.

[@Smokeyr67]

Nor an accurate air combat simulation, but it does it's best with the information available :)

[@dcacklam]

Command: Modern Air Naval Operations, or Harpoon 3....

[@Smokeyr67]

@@dcacklam Harpoon was a great sim, but very buggy when it was first released :(

[@youraveragecapybara]

@@Smokeyr67 it is easly one of the most acurate sims for Air combat in the world (that is publicly availible)

[@Silversiren28]

I predict that just 2 American cruisers and 2 American destroyers would mop the floor with that fleet, no issues.

[@rainerbehrendt9330]

Depends on the amount of Enemy Aircrafts. John Schettler has written about this scenario in his Kirow Series. The Kirow against a Japanese Carrier Group. If your SAMs run out its Game Over.

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

Honestly 2 of anything would be overkill

[@cranjismcbasketball613]

I feel the biggest issue is that MOST of the ship launches munitions don’t have big enough warheads to get through the armor belts of warships of that time period. Especially battleships. Not shooting down your idea, just giving my two cents

[@ashtiboy]

@@cranjismcbasketball613 well but the top of the decks that the sm-2 and sm-6 missles love to hit would be far more powerufl hits snece they actaly dont aim for the ship armor belts they aim for the top decks of the of the ships at a angle when they are in thermal impact pase. also it doent tanke much for a sm2 or sm-6 mssiles to blow up all the gunnery crew on those world war 2 ships sub capatal anti air and anti ship guns with the exposed crew wihout any hull or amory in the way. so alot of the kigsake class ships very expoesed AAA gun battrys with very litle protaction for those gunner crew memebers. also world war two naval ship amor realy sucks agest modern warheads of sm-2 and sm-6 basce the naval world war ships dident use any form of amor procation other just very very thick steel plates without any form of other ways of stoping modern anti amor weapons would go thoew a wold war two ships 750mm+ thick armor like a 1000F hot knife giong threw cheap bugit toilet paper.

[@CrazynToughKiwi]

​@@rainerbehrendt9330 idk, that's a lot of CIWS fire to brave

[@JonathanHStone]

In what world would modern ships with all of their situational awareness come anywhere near the range of the Yamato, instead kiting just out of its range to fire their own missiles or call in additional attacks?

[@nigeldepledge3790]

Well, they had all run out of missiles; and Yamato's 18" guns outranged the modern naval guns, so what else could they do?

[@JonathanHStone]

@@nigeldepledge3790 leave the scene? Also, as with the last episode, they seem to forgo the use of Tomahawks, which would certainly be effective.

[@RCAvhstape]

Getting within battleship gun range is like picking a fight with Superman. Not gonna end well for you and your thin modern armor.

[@JimmyDoresHairDye]

@@nigeldepledge3790 Carry more harpoons??? The solution is: more SAM's, more anti ship missiles, and more CIWS w/more ammo. You can remain 60+ nm away from any enemy ship and score kill shots on all of them. The Japanese fleet adds more planes? Add more RIM 174's (or navalize the AIM260) and CIWS systems.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

@J D - you mean they should reload the entire VLS in the middle of the battle? I didn't think of that. Or did you mean that they should've gone into the battle with bigger ships (and hence larger magazines)? I don't quite see which part of the scenario you didn't understand.

[@ifga16]

In reality, Adm. Yamamoto wasn't crazy enough to do a suicide type run after having his fleet take such a hammering from these super weapons. He would have made a fast retreat to save his ships for the planned final showdown that was planned for.

[@V-RADIO]

I honestly think shock and awe from that opening salvo probably would have chased the Japanese off as fast as they could.

[@isaacibbotson4632]

Remember though that at the end of the battle of midway the Japanese admiral was sailing a carrier in with the rest of the fleet for a surface engagement. It's entirely possible that the red must would have settled in and he would have suicided the fleet. It happened in the real thing too

[@shortlivedglory3314]

In reality, none of those ships would be functional after taking five modern missiles. Many of them would be done after one or two.

[@ReaverLordTonus]

Agreed, he wasn't a fool, and didn't actually prescribe to the rest of his country's military doctrine of short term, fighting to the death stuff. I'd like to think if we hadn't killed him when we did he would have voiced some objection over the introduction of Kamakazis.

[@ifga16]

@@ReaverLordTonus Unfortunately, the admiral was a 'company man' who possibly objected to the kamikaze idea but would not have stood in the way considering the mind set of the military ruling class which Yamamoto was part of.

[@Keezfocer]

It’s noteworthy that not all Japanese ships were sunk at Midway. The 5 cruisers probably could have fired all their anti-ship missiles, crippled the Japanese fleet, and then withdrawn with no losses, and that alone would have been considered a major success. These guys actually managed to sink significantly more ships that the Americans did in the real battle.

[@ogFIEND]

Congratulations on your new family member, Cap!

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@exidy-yt]

@@grimreapers You poor bastard. I went through this time period twice, and nearly resigned/got fired each time. Best of luck, Cap!

[@DaveC2729]

I think after that bombardment, there's a good chance the Yamato might be nonoperational even if it was still afloat. Those missiles might not go through the main armor bands, but they weren't trying to. Those missiles were hitting the decks, with armor only a few inches thick, and the superstructure, even thinner than that. That ship was completely gutted. The ammo would probably have exploded.

[@fnhatic6694]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. In real life, these massive ships were frequently done in by lucky strikes from weapons that should've really pose too much a threat, just by hitting fuel and ammo. Yamato would've been finished after a hit from just a couple of the AShMs, those things can absolutely punch clean through a ship.

[@tetraxis3011]

Doubt. It seems the UK thought Harpoons wouldn’t do anything tho the ARA Belgrano. That’s why they sunk it with a submarine.

[@mrspeigle1]

Remember bbs were designed to tank hits from 1500 lb ap shells, a 1k non armor piercing bomb isn't going to pen the citidel.

[@darthkarl99]

The ammo is all inside the armour. Battleships don;t just have a thick belt, they have a main armour deck that spans across the top as well. In the Yamato's case she has 8 inches of deck armour. You could probably so devastate the area's outside the citadel that she's unable to maneuver and her ability to fight is extremly limited, (the turrets have their own rangefinders and are even more heavily armoured so they still be able to fire, but with limited accuracy. For that matter i think some of the carriers at midway had the significant armour and would likely resist sinking for a similar reason, (though damaging them to the point they were unable to fight would be much easier). The cruisers and destroyers could probably be sunk that way as they aren't armoured that well. When they were actually sunk the Yamato and her sister ship each took over 20 armour piercing bombs and dozens of torpedoes. Musashi in particular proved to be a complete pain to put down, lessons learned from that were used when attacking Yamato which is why she took less, but each of those bombs was equivalent to a modern deep penetrator bunker buster bomb, not a regular cruise missile, LGB, or anti-shipping missile. The biggest advantage in this hypothetical scenario modern tech would have is that japanese damage control was notoriously poor.

[@DaveC2729]

​@@darthkarl99 I have to question that bit about being the equivalent of a modern bunker buster bomb. Maybe in size. Maybe. But I highly doubt they were the equivalent in terms of penetrating ability. Still, the bombs pretty much disabled Yamato, didn't they? But I think we can both agree that bombs and missiles striking the deck and superstructure could never sink Yamato by themselves. I think it was the torpedoes that did that, in the end, wasn't it? Bombs couldn't really damage her below the water line. In the case of matching Yamato up with those modern ships, they wouldn't be able to sink her at all without having torpedoes at their disposal, but I still say she'd be completely, or almost completely, disabled. Even if the missiles couldn't penetrate a magazine, I'd expect they would interfere with the ammo feed system. That system's likely not delicate, but neither are guided missiles. How much bending and warping from nearby missile strikes can it take, even if they can't actually penetrate the mechanism itself? I would think that when it was over, even if the guns weren't affected directly, Yamato's crew wouldn't be able to load them. I'd also mention that modern warship crews would be much more precise with their missiles than the gamers and software that were controlling the simulation. They'd have scored far more hits, and would've had a better idea where to put the missiles for the greatest effect. And yeah, there's that poor Japanese damage control you pointed out. They'd probably be having a bit of trouble with fires, and their firefighting pumps and plumbing would've taken some damage too.

[@blaircolquhoun7780]

The first book of the Axis of Time trilogy was about this. An American carrier battle group from 2020 goes back to Midway.

[@nakross4010]

I loved those books so much. The Australian Thunder Run and HMS Trident's defense during "Operation Sea Dragon" were easily the best parts of the series. Heck, I'd say every one of those battles would make a great GR video.

[@PhoenixT70]

Finally, someone showing these books some love. I would love to see GR recreate at least one of those fights.

[@nakross4010]

​@@PhoenixT70 I remember reading the books in 2006, set in the not-so-far future of 2021 😂 Unfortunately our timeline's quite a let down eh bud? No high speed trimaran frigates, hypersonic combat maces or Metalstorm CIWS! Seems like we're getting close to flexipads though, so it's not all that bad!

[@PhoenixT70]

@@nakross4010 The most hilarious things for me were carrier-borne Raptors, depleted uranium rifle rounds, and an aircraft carrier named for Hillary Clinton. I read them in 2019 or 2020 as well.

[@blaircolquhoun7780]

@@PhoenixT70 Me too. The Yamato Class was supposed to be three ships. Yamato, Musashi, and Shinano. Shinano was converted into the first supercarrier. She was sunk by the American submarine USS Archerfish. Now, F-14 Tomcat v. Shinano, that would be good for GR to model.

[@ammoalamo6485]

At Leyte Gulf the IJN's big armor piercing shells actually passed through the US destroyers and destroyer escorts. The US ships were still badly damaged, and one or two sunk, but their thin skin was not thick enough to arm the armor-piercing warheads of the enemy big guns. I can't imaging a shell drilling a hole right through my ship, somewhere between 14" and 18" in diameter.

[@DeltaKilo77]

The American ships would have never gotten that close. They would have stayed out of range of the enemy ships and sunk everything without a scratch.

[@Filo-qn8pj]

Yep, Cap just wanted to make it fun by making them attack. In real life they would stay away.

[@kevino1219]

All those modern war ship have that capability. The US ship just has WAY more of it.

[@OG_Mac79]

If they were staggered in 2 groups the russia/china ships in first with the hypersonics then after their ship missiles are expended the usa/uk/japan ships come in range and clean up with fewer repeat targets. We practiced that at rimpac in the 90's when I was in the Navy.

[@danielearley5062]

Many modern warships have a combination of propulsion systems. UK frigates and destroyers have combined gas turbine and diesel electric drives. The gas turbines in the T23 are the Spey gas turbines, which were marinised versions of the engines that were in Buccaneers and Phantoms, and Olympus gas turbines, which were the same engines as Concorde, also marinised. Woof!

[@kevinriffey9970]

Would be nice if the zeros would circle the carriers to form proper squadrons.

[@wowwowwow8765]

Would it matter?

[@kevinriffey9970]

@@wowwowwow8765 would stop them from flying off alone to be picked off one by one.

[@redpillcoach1855]

@@wowwowwow8765 It would matter when the Phalanx runs out of bullets.

[@juanisosa22]

One thing that you could do to simulate the proper target deconfliction from the SAM and anti-ship missiles is to stagger the ships that are able to fire. Turn off the fire control of 3 of the ships until the first one is out of ammo. At that point enable the second ship and repeat until all ammo is expended.

[@noalear]

It'd be interesting to see what they'd do with good AI, coordination, and realistic damage (crew death, flooding, fires, ammo going off, etc.) I'm sure the Hellfires would devastate smaller ships in a hit or two, not 60-80 hits.

[@Michael-cf9cj]

A hellfire is an anti-tank missile. It wouldn't be particularly effective against a far, far larger warship ... and a smaller warship is far larger than a tank.

[@Alxnick]

​@@Michael-cf9cjThat's kind of the thing though. A more realistic damage model that can more adequately simulate the effects of a missile impact changes everything. You don't need to jab a bunch of holes in the armor below the waterline to do it. Even a lighter weapon has the ability to do the type of secondary effects that change the outcome. You can't model the confusion of the bridge getting shredded, electrical power cutting out from shock damage, second or third missiles killing damage control teams, and so on. The carriers have similar problems. You're not Hellfiring the ship apart, but you almost certainly can knock it out of action with 3 to 5 hits. The deck might be armored, but the elevators aren't. They're magical portals to the soft, explody insides. Even if you can't bulleyes the hangar, they're fragile moving objects that you can damage enough to keep out of action. Plus you can hit what aircraft are on the flight deck and let secondary explosions help out. A relatively light and small attack can do outsized damage, if you do the damage right.

[@larrswomback5823]

what navy uses Hellfires????

[@noalear]

@larrswomback5823 the US navy.

[@noalear]

I should add, in surface-to-ship capacity.

[@Ragnaroknrol]

Can you set some of the ships to not fire until ordered to? Missiles hitting the same target from multiple ships was part of the issue. I would also have had the attack VTOLS go in low and on the flank to avoid the majority of fire and have them pick off the escort ships furthest out. Going after the Yamato with Hellfires wasn't going to do anything, but removing almost all enemy ships before having the ships with all their missile begin picking targets would have likely been more effective.

[@GustavSvard]

Like you pointed out in the commentary, there sure was a ton of target duplication and the anti-ship missiles didn't target the carriers til towards the end. i.e. with an AI that prioritizes more like an actual human captain would, and coordinated like humans would (I'm sure the blue captains could have split the ship targets up quite well, someone on the Russian & Chinese bridges would speak English) then it would have gone better for the blue team.

[@V-RADIO]

Makes me wish he could get players to run the Japanese fleet.

[@fredericlepeltier3435]

FYI: according to the IJN order of battle at Midway: The carrier strike force (Adml Nagumo) had: 4CV, 2 BB, 6CL/CA and 9 DD. The "main body" or 1st fleet main force (Adml Yamamoto, 100-200Nm behind the carrier strike force) had: 3BB (including the Yamato), 5 cruisers, 8DD and one light carrier. These two fleet did not sail nor fought together. source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_order_of_battle The occupation fleets came from the SW and did not participate. That might modify the result a bit.

[@Gearshoot]

Could you cite a source other than wiki? I believe you, but there are others that are going to bully you for it.

[@fredericlepeltier3435]

@@Gearshoot All other sources i have are Historical publications and old books including the one from Fuchida, the Kaga CAG. Also the Battle of midway did not end with the sinking of the carriers but lasted a fews more days when the us carriers ran out of planes for the pursuit of the retreating IJN fleet and came too close to Wake island for comfort.

[@jpgcne]

​@Gearshoot1350 cite a source??? Take a history course lol. Not like this is a mystery

[@CarterBartram]

@@Gearshoot Shattered Sword (2005, by John Parshall and Anthony Tully) remains the definitive western account of the battle from the perspective of the Japanese. Their bibliography has all the primary sources, both American and Japanese, that you could ever hope for. It also debunks a lot of previous western accounts that were based on biased or unreliable sources (like Fuchida Mitsuo) and it corroborates the Wikipedia article referenced above.

[@Wyomingchief]

@Carter Bartram I came here to the comments to make sure that someone had referenced that book, shattered sword, is literally the best book I've ever read that concerned a naval battle during WWII. There's some good ones on the Battle of Leyte Gulf and such but none are at the level of detail that shattered sword.

[@Plastikdoom]

Not of they were using AP, they wouldn’t even fuse against those modern ships, it’d hole punch them, and that’s all. It’d be like the last stand of Taffy 3, that’s why it worked so well, they were shooting AP against escort destroyers, and they were just going right through, instead of exploding. Wasn’t until they switched to HE they really did damage and sunk them.

[@DrDezaro]

A heap of those cubbies are fire directors and the large stereoscopic sight is for the main guns and the central part is where the fire control and calculations happens while the deck below is where the fight directors sight the fall of shot. The bridge is the lower one that you said was the bridge the first time.

[@RichieKeane]

Nice sim, but doesn’t type 45 have some spearfish torpedoes? Same a wildcat or mh60 with torps would be more effective than the hellfires?

[@rowanmaguire7890]

No spear fish are only submarine launched, you won't find any sort of heavy weight torpedo on modern surface combaton, to slow with to shorter range.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Nope, it only caries a handful of helicopter launched antisub torpedoes and a few light torps designed to fight patrol-sized boats. Nothing ship launched until NSM finally turns up - Harpoon was removed and given to Ukraine.

[@grimreapers]

Well I got a nice surprise coming up for you when I am back in action properly.

[@LordElpme]

@@LondonSteveLee pretty sure there was a news post a while ago about the new Wildcat version with new anti ship missiles

[@rowanmaguire7890]

@@grimreapers oh damn that'll really add a new dynamic to your videos can't wait.

[@theaxgame]

One thing I noticed in the battle is that the Gorshkov only fired after everyone else, and only at wrecks. Was that planned or just a weird AI thing? because it launched all of it's missiles at the same range as the others but only at stuff that was already wrecked.

[@grimreapers]

Nothing planned, I just let them do whatever they wanted.

[@tylerjones-davis6269]

i mean you have to make sure the enemy is dead before you can get to that new MCDonalds on the oil rig

[@charlesparr1611]

I just assumed it was typical Russian quality at work.

[@davidjames1063]

AI screwups.

[@davidjames1063]

@@charlesparr1611 Typical American quality you mean. F35 quality garbage.

[@trev8591]

Congratulations on the acquisition of 1 x Mini-Reaper, Cap!

[@grimreapers]

Thanks!

[@totalnerd5674]

You're a real trooper doing this on little to no sleep and with your baby

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@nigeldepledge3790]

That was a very large amount of boom-boom! Thank you, Cap and the gang! It turns out that Yamato's anti-air weapons are pretty good at taking down small numbers of helicopters that got within range, aren't they? I agree with Cap about that naval gun on the Type 45! That sounded like about 2 rounds a second! Most impressive. Cap - yes, the sticky-out bits near the top of the battleship's superstructure are indeed part of the primary range-finder. There would have been at least a dozen range-finders, of various sizes, on board a WWII battleship.

[@57thorns]

And none of them wold be operational after the first two missile hits.

[@CNC-Time-Lapse]

This was awesome. Watching the in cockpit views with the guns blazing were epic.

[@julie4871]

WW2 BATTLESHIPS Where some of the Last Warships built & Designed to Receive "Heavy Damage" & still Remain Extremely Effective, in its current Combat situation. & At least enough to finished a battle & return Home for repairs. Current Modern Warships are design to Inflict as much Damage as Possible before an enemy can respond. & also intercept as much ordnance b/4 it can hit the ship. " Great Video " Love to see the What If's

[@DrenoshGaming]

This gives me a yearning to see which generation is the best anti ship against this Japanese fleet. Would be a hoot to watch.

[@jmtpolitico80]

Hope all is well SUPER CAP! I hope family life is good for you, it certainly changed my life! Thanks for the hard work prior so we had something to watch. I was watching a older video of the U.K. - U.S. vs Chinese - Russia 2025. One of your best video's...

[@grimreapers]

:)

[@acidtalons]

This really needs helicopter deployed torpedos. Mk 56 would really change the math on helicopters. Also I think the ships would have torpedos also.

[@me67galaxylife]

it's anti-submarine...

[@willwozniak2826]

I cameback a few times and rewatched this....this is on my top ten list of your videos off this channel....such an interesting battle and the Japanese kept coming.....OUTSTANDING!

[@ZackHab]

Congratulations on your baby!!!

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@blackjed]

Baby grim reaper has been unleashed upon this earth. The world best watch put!

[@texasknight5175]

Glad to hear Grumptastic's voice!

[@grimreapers]

Agree.

[@edwardhugus2772]

The carrier should stop launching after it's hit. 1 hit to the flight deck would stop flight operations.....it doesnt need to be 100% destroyed.

[@ralphrepo]

Can't understand why your modern vessels stay together as a bullseye for naval bombardment? If they had separated, they could have easily diluted the effect of naval gun fire from the Japanese vessels. Further, modern helicopters could have easily flew nap of the earth or wave skimming from a different direction and not went up against the Japanese fighters. They would have been a lot more effective and probably won't have suffered as many losses.

[@TheOuterCircle]

Regards the damage Yamato would cause to the warships, if Yamato expects WWII era ships, it would be firing armour piercing shells. Those shells, as per the Battle of Samar, would pass clean through the modern ships likely without detonating. They would however make a huge mess of them if they were smart enough to load high explosive shells.

[@merafirewing6591]

Yeah, those ships will make fantastic firework shows once the HE is out.

[@danielbond9755]

If they could hit them. At Samar, Yamato had a hit rate of only a few percent against relatively slow, unmaneuverable ships.

[@FooBarr68]

Great video guys, welcome back Grump

[@iain-duncan]

26:00 I read an amazing book that featured a story of Japanese Americans. One I remember was of a family living in Hawaii that, when they saw the planes overhead, flew their flag in an attempt to not get bombed. They felt betrayed, a common feeling among Japanese Americans at the time. Of course, their neighbors thought they were signaling, and had then locked up even before the internment had begun. Very sad, but I'm glad Japan is a strong American friend now.

[@louisavondart9178]

Not one torpedo on the modern ships? .... bringing them into range of 18" shells was really stupid. You'll never make Admiral like that.... signed Graf Spee.

[@miauwgabriel3547]

Congratulations on your new "people" in your family! I wish you the best in the future.

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@LordElpme]

Is there such a thing as a HOTAS plushie? I feel there probably should be

[@tajjej3649]

When my first born was born, I lost six months of coherency. I took the night shift because I could wake up, take of my baby's needs and then fall right back asleep. At about the six month mark, I realized I was finally getting enough sleep to realize that it had been six months. Babies can be demanding and take a lot of care. My wife's first born (about 2 years old when my first born came along) was quite and easy to take care of. She said quite plainly that if my first had been her first, it was unlikely there would have been a second.

[@numbersletters3886]

How about 4 Kirov class against them?

[@matthewellisor5835]

Anxiously awaiting introduction of the new officer cadet. (OPSEC, understandable) either way, congratulations and prayers for health and quick recovery for all involved. The Things, One and Two, are the second and third best happenings of my life; My own birth, other than predication of the superior three occasions for celebration, ranks a distant fourth.

[@DragonstarFighter]

My Question is, what difference would substituting a Arleigh Burke-Class Flight 3 for the Ticonderoga, and the Russian Gorshkov class with the Kirov Class, make, by really putting some ultra-hard hitting anti-ship capability in there

[@nataliefaust7959]

I don't know what it is about being called a "valued viewer", but I have the same reaction to hearing it that I do to Bob Ross welcoming me to watch his show. ♥

[@neodecker]

Have you done a "what if" the Pacific fleet was ready for the Pearl Harbor attack?

[@davidbruner9263]

I would love to see that one myself. Say all American ships out to sea and ready for the attack and all personnel at battle stations waiting for the IJN to run right into their trap.

[@batner]

Last time you fought stupidly and lost. You had a ship who had superior manuvering charachteristics, ability to attack way over the horizon and shoot any ww2 plane out of the sky. It would have been a massacre if your cruiser would circle the enemy fleet at 50miles and shot salvos of 3 missiles at each carrier. Instead you drove it towards the enemy and kept the ship on a straight line in battle.

[@CaptainMustanG4089]

Congratulations on the new human! Think game volume needs to be turned down a touch or all voices up, normally have trouble hearing y'all but all game volume is like Im sitting next to the real aircraft. Love the videos, hope all the best for you and your family!

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@furynick4541]

The Japanese Kido Butai (“Mobile Force”) was commanded by Vice Admiral Nagumo Chuichi and included 4 heavy aircraft carriers, the Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, and Soryu. Japan also had 2 light aircraft carriers, 2 seaplane carriers, 7 battleships, 15 cruisers, 42 destroyers, and 10 submarines.

[@cickeith9579]

I thought the modern 5 inch guns where super penetrating and had pin point accuracy?

[@grimreapers]

agree but not in game.

[@RossOneEyed]

Remember, Nagumo was in charge of the attack fleet at Midway. He would have left the scene long before this end - one of the reasons he finished the war (and himself) at Saipan.

[@RainbowDash-vy2dn]

Let's get more of Violet flying Grump around in the Apache, Violet did an amazing job with just one engine

[@grimreapers]

Agreed

[@ShuRugal]

tips for apache drivers shooting at ships: tell george to de-was, tell him to lase, then just fire all 16 missiles continuously. If the ship doesn't have effective AAA, take four pods full of M229s. Two pods full will do enough damage to sink a Tico if they all connect.

[@chrisgrilley558]

The Yamato used spotters to locate and target vessels, the entire tower was used for this. It had the biggest guns, but was not very accurate at long ranges.

[@Deilwynna]

was more accurate than you think at over 30km range, almost hit uss white plains (cve-66) at 32km (~20 miles or ~17 nautical miles) range, one of the straddling shells on her third salvo detonated underneath white plains, the underwater explosion shockwave damaged white plains quite a bit

[@bigbore4498]

Cap, congratulations on the baby. It’s not easy being a parent. But it’s so rewarding.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@sotiredoflies]

If I remember correctly the Japanese had an invasion fleet to the east of midway. It would be cool to split a flotilla for all of the Japanese vessels

[@draysoncrook4898]

I’m waiting for a call from the us navy to ask permission to use my blueprints for my aircraft carrier refit to make an aircraft carrier a big missile silo for large anti-ship missiles

[@Dirtyharry70585]

Unload on the carriers first, don’t let the planes off the decks

[@traveler8052]

chinese 055 can do that

[@jamesmenefee5519]

Why no torpedoes? Tico's have torpedo tubes for the Mk46 and Mk50. Plus I would think that a naval tico would have helicopters like the naval version of the black hawk with the Mk 54's.

[@yournamehere9928]

Lightweight torpedoes like the Mk 46 are ASW torps that don't target surface ships. They wouldn't have done anything here.

[@RobRoss]

I’m so happy for this video! I watched the previous one, and I commented that I thought you should do it again with one more cruiser. But you added 2 more than what I hoped you would. Good on you!

[@sonnybowman]

Someone had mentioned that that battle should take place at night, again with one cruiser and I heartily agree.

[@svenskdod]

The arleigh burke runs on jet fuel, that way refueling ships for a fleet only need to carry one fuel type, I believe. Could be wrong.

[@override367]

The US likes to run literally everything on the same fuel if possible, there are a lot of things that use that particular jet fuel

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@nova_3010]

Yoooo, thanks for posting this I needed to see this was awesome!

[@exidy-yt]

These are so much more fun to watch then the campaign videos, please keep it up guys!

[@grimreapers]

Will mainly be campaign vids until I am back in action full time.

[@exidy-yt]

@@grimreapers A shame, but as a father of 2 I completely understand.

[@thereclaimer2945]

Hi cap, just wanted to say congratulations on your child, I hope you can get some R&R when you can and thank you for keeping us entertained here on KZbin. Thanks again.

[@Ovall_]

What about a single US carrier, Its air wing and carrier AWACS but no escorts against the midway fleet?

[@grimreapers]

It will work but because US ship will be able to to launch from 130 miles away, it will be a bit of a boring battle to watch.

[@latch9781]

Reminds me of the book *Future Weapons*, very good. Premise is a modern coalition fleet travelling back to Midway, but everything turns quickly into a disaster

[@totalnerd5674]

Just a suggestion here - maybe do the battle of Pearl Harbor but with modern units: Have 2 Izumo class and 2 Hyuga class carriers (use Tarrawa as analog) with F-35B doing air to ground Have 2 Maya class destroyers (use Burke Fl III) as the battleships 2 Atago + 4 Kongo (use core game Burke Fl IIA) as the cruisers As for the Americans: 8 Burke IIIs as the objective as the battleships some F-35As (but not as many as the Bs) assigned to the airfields minimal air defense, as in 2 NASAMS launchers and some Manpads Japanese ships will fire Tomahawks at airfields/infrastructure, while planes will bomb ships with whatever you see fit

[@xeru98]

I know it would be a massacre but I would love to see a modern carrier fleet (with submarines of course) vs 2 or 3 times the forces at midway

[@57thorns]

A single modern sub with modern torpedoes would be enough, there is nothing they targets can do about it.

[@Blox117]

the americans would be massacred

[@jameshead9119]

I think he did a couple of times already with same problem of ammo shortage biting him the butt

[@ReveredDead]

It's quite simple. The carriers would launch strike jets with anti-ship missiles and would strike the Japanese ships from above the cloud layer. The Japanese wouldn't even know what was happening. Only that their ships were out of nowhere exploding and going up in flames. There wouldn't be a surface battle. The modern American carriers could be miles out of range of Japanese planes and would simple massacre the Japanese fleet of 3x the size of it's real life version. The munitions, fuel and material supply on a modern American carrier is to put it lightly. Plentiful.

[@jameshead9119]

@@ReveredDead in RL yes but I game as in this game targeting proved almost impossible as well as rearming the aircraft after the first strike ( as in this game the out come would have been far different if the ships had a supply ship added so they could of reloaded for a second barrage of missiles )

[@davidl9507]

That was so satisfying -Thank you

[@Bluecedor]

I love the idea of running what-ifs in the Midway scenario with modern helicopter gunships versus IJN planes.

[@ML-dk7bf]

Helicopters only downside is there top speed is much lower than the zero's. 4 Apache helicopters could completely devastate a Japanese naval group if they fought at night.

[@Viperflight1984]

I never did understand why the Apache’s didn’t have the stinger missile compliment they can actually carry in real life. It would make air to air a lot easier. Even fully loaded with rockets/hellfires they can still carry 4 pillion tipped stingers. Must be a limitation of the game model

[@Wolfe351]

I don't think Stinger is available yet for the 64

[@jaybravo2199]

"Hello valued viewers..." the calming voice I need in my life.

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

In five years GR Baby will be learning how to set up DCS scenarios. In ten years GR Baby will be running GR and Cap will be sitting in a rocking chair muttering, “We had better battles in the old days…”

[@grimreapers]

lols yup

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

@@grimreapers As an aside, been doing some modelling. Had to stop till bigger SSD arrives, but I’ve been playing with the code, and have some really interesting ideas. I also being totally crazy, want to add every Fleet Air Arm aircraft so we can get more sweet WW2 action. Specifically I want to run the Battle of Taranto, so we need Swordfish, and I’d really like to know what difference having Eagle along would have made.

[@shawnjudson1179]

Love how you said "since you acquired a baby"... congrats on the new family member Cap

[@Plastikdoom]

Yeah, a modern fleet, would slaughter them…I’m willing to say to the modernized BB New Jersey as she’s gotten the most upgrades out of the Iowa’s, and a modern cruiser and DD for screening anti air and missile fire to supplement the Mew Jersey would also wipe the floor with that fleet, with no losses of their own ships.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Fun stuff! Idea - swing around to get out of the smoke

[@lewisvargrson]

I always do enjoy these "Countdown" style fights.

[@thomasbengtsson4034]

Hey, why couldn't the Visby come and play?

[@grimreapers]

Fair point, I didn't even think about her TBH.

[@Snowwie88]

Is in DCS the Gerald Ford carrier modeled already with it's high powered laser? That laser is pretty much hyped in how cost effective it is, but could the Gerard Ford carrier defend itself using this laser against a (swarm of) incoming Japanese 1940s fighters/bomber? If this laser is modeled in DCS.

[@tarrencesun1539]

Hi Cap, congrats on the new baby, hopefully another dcs lover. Thanks for the banger of a video!

[@roentgen571]

I can't see Yamato without mentally hearing, "We're off, to outer space....we're leaving, mother earth....!"

[@jacebralor71]

Starblazers for the win

[@thunderch1ck3en]

Those destroyers and cruiser look like tiny little fellas compared to how massive the Yamato is. Having served on a cruiser and only really doing a few missile launches and live fire exercises with the CIWS and 5"ers, it was nice seeing it in full glory.

[@Tryst1982]

Congrats on the newly made person!!

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@timbaskett6299]

Thank you for using my idea. That made a great video to watch after work. I wonder how it would with an LHD as a "carrier".

[@_.Glennicus._]

(I'm speaking in realistic terms, if this scenario were to happen IRL) What's funny is, the modern ships hitting the destroyers and cruisers first is actually eliminating a torpedo threat, so I actually see why the AI chose to end them first The carriers aircraft can be shot down by CIWS, and considering the type of ships there, they won't screw with the battleships with missiles, as their unlikely to compromise the hull armor HOWEVER, there's one thing the modern ships can do, if they have modern torpedoes on any of them, they can torpedo the battleships, and be done with them

[@haytorrock3312]

Next itld like a fleet of pheonician galleys verses the parl harbour attack force.

[@craig.bergman]

Have you done the "Final Countdown" with a modern USS Ford Class AC? See how it would do preventing Pearl Harbor attack.

[@paulybassman7311]

Love getting in from work and Supercap has uploaded another Battle . Maximum boom boom with my Bangers and mAsh 🤪🤣👍👍 Plus Grump as well.. bonus!

[@grimreapers]

:)

[@downunderprepparedness]

is ship reloads modelled? as 30+mins of combat would expect them to load up second salvo of Anti ship in 30mins?

[@grimreapers]

Modern ship VLS can only be re-loaded in port.

[@downunderprepparedness]

@@grimreapers thanks and congratulations on the baby:) I did not know they had removed the cranes from Arlie Bourke class, an interesting decision going to gave google more as wondering now if the Chinese hq10 or the heavier NSM pods like on the LCS are capable of hand loading

[@mm3mm3]

Perfect battle with lots of BOOM BOOM 😃

[@danieljones7843]

32:57 you are absolutely right, those are the stereoscopic rangefinders. Those, the antennas and the big cylindrical structure that they are attached to sitting on top of the main bridge (there is a lower and upper main/admirals bridge that you were pointing out just prior to my time stamp) is the main DCT (direction control tower). The tower just behind the funnel has an aft DCT sitting on top for the rear guns in case the main dct is knocked out. If that is knocked out then all guns are then under local control. There is a third stereoscopic rangefinder facing forwards that you later pointed out which are for the forward facing guns. The main DCT sitting on top of the pagoda rotates as well. I’m pretty sure the aft one rotates as well and the forward facing one set lower I’m pretty sure is fixed.

[@danieljones7843]

36:51 I don’t know how the Japanese labelled their turrets but the Americans just numbered theirs, the Germans did theirs alphabetically and actually named them as well (Anton, Bruno,Caesar and Dora) and the British has A B for the forward turrets and X Y for the rear with P Q R if there were any turrets amidships (in the middle) although weirdly Nelson and Rodney’s third turrets in the C position are referred to as X turrets because they can’t face forward.

[@psykology9299]

The Yamato's main decks had to be cleared before firing and the all the deck AA guns near the main batteries had to be armoured up because the shockwave was so strong from each main gun that it could rip your skin off (apparently)

[@epope98]

no they were armoured to prevent straffing from taking out the gunners in a pass.

[@psykology9299]

@epope98 youre wrong but its fine dont learn something new today

[@epope98]

@@psykology9299 no dude, your wrong your saying the guns firing would peel skin, its directed fire not 360 blast that would vaporize humans to paste. no the aa guns on ships had Armour to prevent enemy fire from killing your gunners. Not to prevent your cannons from killing your dudes who are 100 feet away. At most if the guns were fire in there direction they take cover to protect themselves from the focused concussive blast that would cause deafness, blindness, or if you right in the way rupturing of the organs from sudden pressure change. but no would not peel skin

[@psykology9299]

@epope98 my dude. If you took the time to actually look up anything. You would know that the Yamato's blast pressures from a single gun on the main batteries (of which there were 3 per battery) was enough to destroy boats on the main deck and the main deck had to be entirely cleared when the gun was in use. It is well known that blast pressures of as little as 10psi are capable of tearing your limbs off, and a single main gun from one of the batteries could put back over 100psi onto the deck at upwards of 35m away from it, 35m is a 10 storey building for perspective. They did have to have some armour to the AA guns for direct fire of course they did but they made them fully enclosed because you would die if you were any near the main guns during firing, thats because shockwaves still double back even from a directed blast. They literally took main gun shockwaves into account on even smaller battleships because the blasts were strong enough to knock crew members over. Again, also something you would know if you would do any research.

[@psykology9299]

@epope98 also, its youre not your so you automatically lose 10 points for each infraction

[@benbrown7708]

Congratz on the new addition to the Cap family!

[@CMDRScotty]

Imagine if this happened in real life before the battle of Midway then these ships just disappeared as the first American planes from the Enterprize, Hornet, and Yorktown should up to clean up what was left.

[@44lucas]

Hey Cap, happy to hear your voice is back to normal!

[@geekpoet7443]

Battle ideas for GR. 1. Battle of Rabual, January 4th, 1942, GR defends Rabual with limited resources against the Japanese attack. 2. April 18th, 1943, GR escorts and defends Isoroku Yamamoto as he begins his inspection tour from Rabual to Balalae Airport near Bougainville following the defeat at Guadalcanal, Feb. 9th 1943. Both are rather difficult but might prove to be interesting.

[@exidy-yt]

I second this. These would be insanely fun to both fly and watch.

[@ВячеславСеменов-м2ш]

Next time please try 1144 project instead of 22350. Ir would be great - you know, "Kirov reporting", "Battlecruiser operational" (c)

[@Orieni]

You could do Taffy 3 with a small modern force taking on the IJN battleline, and see if you can summon the spirits of the Johnston and Sammy B.

[@mbraden66]

In the historical battle, there was a bit of a "WTF?" on the Japanese side as they were confused about the American carrier group location, hence the changing of ordinance on the planes. In this case, the pilots would have had a bit of "WTF?" on seeing the helicopters. The command on the carriers would have also taken pause attempting to determine what they were up against. Same thing would have happen when the missiles started coming in. Any sonic boom would have caused another one.