Could a no-deal Brexit push Wales towards independence?

Boris Johnson may have given himself a new title of Minister for the Union, but how United is the Kingdom? (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News...)
In Wales, where he was today, the Tories are out in front in the latest opinion poll.
But many in the Welsh independence movement see his premiership as the perfect gift for their campaign.
A no-deal Brexit puts new pressures on Scotland and Northern Ireland, could it change the game in Wales too?
Just this weekend thousands gathered to march for independence, so how indy-curious is Wales?
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[@theblueidiot1]

As a person from the Republic of Ireland, independence was hands down a positive development in Ireland. Welsh and Scottish independence is necessary for their people's and Irish unity is necessary for ours. Let's move together as friends, Europeans and partners. 🇮🇪♥️🇪🇺

[@angelo2330]

UK 1919: the empire on which the sun never sets UK 2019: sometimes we get a little sun in June

[@tomasburns6128]

Angelo 23 technically the sun never sets on British territory.

[@jamsandwich9069]

Class, please tell the Tory Party that the empire has gone, thanks.

[@georgebritten8208]

@@tomasburns6128 you're right. British terratory still spans the globe.

[@jjosephs6521]

@@tomasburns6128 you showed him hahahaha, top mark's for not understanding the meta point.

[@jjosephs6521]

@@georgebritten8208 Would you really describe a bunch of tiny islands as "spanning the globe". Is that really the most accurate was to describe the British overseas territories.

[@hadiebah7675]

hello UK. I used to watch movies for fun, now I just watch Brexit news.

[@jamsandwich9069]

@Static Method We think it is hilarious too but in a sort of oh my god we are doomed kinda way but if you are from the States shouldn't you be tuning in to the total clown show called "US poh-lee-ticks" ? The ultimate satire, a massive group of degenerate psychopaths trying to pretend they are not totally obsessed with the acquisition of obscene amounts of money and the illegal invasions of tiny countries that pose no threat whatsoever.

[@frankmccluskey11]

As an American, Brexit is quite a show. What a cast of characters up against a deadline we all know they have no idea how to meet. If this was a reality show it would be #1.

[@adityanawani8134]

Mark Gable Maybe much better than north somalia i.e. UK?😂😂😂

[@hunter9372]

As a Welshman I just can’t see how we could be independent. We have little or no industry.

[@dog6647]

@@frankmccluskey11 It`s very similar to The Apprentice, a bunch of clueless Contestant`s competing to impress Donald Trump!

[@NickMusselle]

I was very much a unionist, after all, I served in the British military, however, after leaving I can see the neglect by Westminster in Wales. labour and the conservatives have not improved Wales over the decades i was away serving. so Plaid must be given a chance. oh and yes NO borders. I love the British people, but not the Westminster Government.

[@benowen8321]

If you leave you will get a border. You will probably have to join the EU to survive, so you voice will be even smaller. It is not like you will be self governing.

[@saber7529]

Ben Owen Wales 3.5 million people. Luxembourg 250 plus thousand,same Malta, Ireland, Latvia, Estonia, Norwey, Sweden ecc. Shut up the English empire is gone.

[@benowen8321]

@@saber7529 I am sure you think you made a good point, but you haven't. You have not disprove what I said. Wales will become a vassal state like all you mentioned (accept norway which is not in the EU and has a ton of oil moneytat wales does not). There is also not such thing as the english empire. It is/was the british empire. That includes wales.

[@saber7529]

Jake Burrows exactly

[@R4VEOPTIC]

@Jake Burrows im welsh im british ....

[@ULYSSES-31]

Scotland and Wales should each build a wall between England.

[@benowen8321]

Lol, with what money? Unless they build it out sheep. Scotland could just pile up the drug addicts and homeless. Should be enough to build a wall their end XD.

[@ULYSSES-31]

@@benowen8321 They can start building it by dismantling and repurposing the Monarchy's Scottish stately homes.

[@benowen8321]

@@ULYSSES-31 What are they going to pay the workers? Sterling?

[@ULYSSES-31]

@@benowen8321 Haggis

[@benowen8321]

@@ULYSSES-31 XD. And Scotch

[@kellymm7630]

As a pro independence Scottish lassie I do feel Wales has been more forgotten than us

[@jordan-ho7gt]

lol scotland is just a third world country without england.

[@kellymm7630]

@@jordan-ho7gt mate I could say the same about England. I've been in England parts of London and mate I've been to Bradford 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@benowen8321]

@@kellymm7630 England (specifically london) drives the UK. Scotland and Wales are a literal drag on the economy. You will just be a province in the EU.

[@toysintheattic2664]

jordan England would be a third world country without wales and Scotland. Facts

[@owainrhysphillips4102]

@@benowen8321 If we are such a burden why not give us independence?

[@claudiosaltara8847]

England should leave the United Kingdom. And consequently Wales, Scotland and Ireland can remain in the European Union. Is it possible? Why drag others into brexit?

[@Theresabrown1805]

Maybe that would be the best solution England should declare itself independent from the UK leaving Scotland and Wales as part of the EU and Northern Ireland reuniting with the Republic of Ireland. Independence for Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺 independence for Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺 and reunification for Northern Ireland 🇨🇮🇪🇺🇨🇮🇪🇺🇨🇮🇨🇮🇪🇺🇨🇮🇪🇺🇨🇮🇪🇺

[@dazzer273]

I’m Irish and I would love to see Welsh independence but I feel there is too much English influence and too many people who are welsh that feel proud to be British, I do believe Wales has been far underdeveloped compare to England and the Westminster government does not invest fairly into wales. I think welsh identity is amazing and far more interesting than the fony British identity. As an Irish person of course I want my island reunited and it’s a far more complex and extreme situation but the values and realism is the same. Please god Scotland will get its independence, Ireland Will gets its true independence and Wales no different may god grant the welsh people their land back.

[@samh3074]

North East England is the poorest area of the UK. It's not a Wales-Scotland-England thing, more a conservative government problem.

[@TheLewisLegend]

@@samh3074 south west wales and the valleys are considered the poorest in the UK from both the EU and Westminster government

[@spaceycakey1987]

@@TheLewisLegend to be fair anywhere in the UK thats not around London is poor in comparison the north of England not exactly rich northern towns are falling apart

[@samuelmc0123]

You couldn't have described the situation in Wales more accurately Darren, I'm Welsh and I'm very proud to be but I'm also very frustrated because of the English influence that has effectively "brainwashed" other (mostly non-Welsh speaking) Welsh people, when I hear other Welsh people talking about "being British" it really makes me feel a mix of disappointment and frustration especially since they are talking about sharing national identity with the people who conquered, raped and exploited us for centuries, I hope that one day soon we and the Scots will break free of this Anglo-centric union and we will have our own independent Celtic countries much like Ireland has already. May Gaelic and Welsh always be spoken by our peoples and may Ireland finally have it's 32 counties once again!

[@Mo-hc9lc]

So you are mad that people feel british so you want to take that away from them.

[@solidus784]

Fair play to the Welsh for reviving their language to the extent they have. Tír gan teanga, Tír gan anam (A country without a language is a country without a soul)

[@liamobrien4767]

Good to see my Welsh brothers awake !Respect from Ireland.

[@James-oo1yq]

Time Wales and Scotland were governed by Welsh and Scots...not another country!

[@jacobleonard4651]

James Thom I’m English and I agree, we all need to focus on ourselves. Be our guest

[@saxglend9439]

I agree - England for the English.

[@oursentenceisup]

@@saxglend9439 We need Northern independance too from the greedy neglectful Southern chiucklefucks in Westminster.

[@saxglend9439]

@@oursentenceisup North East Scotland and South East England subsidise the rest of the UK.

[@James-oo1yq]

Absolutely. But the English government won't have it. Funny that

[@robsengahay5614]

Didn’t the Welsh also vote for Brexit. This guy is acting as if the country voted Remain.

[@garsm2290]

Opinion has changed. The referendum is years ago now.

[@dnxls_]

@@garsm2290 Don't be so sure.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Gar Sm Well said. Boris' no deal , no ifs or buts, was never campaigned for, doubtful if it was voted for, and NOT the will of the people. Ambition and greed by these extreme right wing politicians, is turning the UK into a disaster zone. The £ continues to fall 1.089 to the €.

[@andyf7973]

@freaky Friday why should 18 year olds this year get a vote? the referendum was in 2016 simple as just like the SNP can't take the defeat in 2014 anti democratic you leftys are.

[@AqierDesigns]

Gar Sm so all of EU have to adapt cause you uk's can't make proper decisions? lol. uk voted leave, now leave. we in europe can start the united states of europe once uk is out. uk always made drama like a little girl.

[@ShrunkedDude]

Independance for Wales! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 You got my support from Scotland. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@ThePp12345678]

We are staying in our United Kingdom thanks. We are leaving the EU!

[@samuelmc0123]

Tapadh leat Glen! Support for Scottish and Welsh independence from Wales!

[@cymro6537]

Thanks for your solidarity! 😊👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@caxias1980]

Wales WELCOME TO EU and Europe...

[@DeezilOyl]

Manuel Duarte - you are brain-washed - do you not realise the Welsh voted in a sizeable majority to leave the EU - don't be fooled by this video provided by EU loving, anti-democratic, EU funded Channel 4 remoaners

[@Westmeath21]

Wales voted leave

[@roman648]

Last thing I want to do is join your EU, I’ll stick with INSIDE the UK thank you very much.

[@Halebopp97]

"WELCOME TO THE EU".... and good bye to your new found independence Wales!!

[@DeezilOyl]

@@matiasosorioolivera2106 Very good - you are like all the other losers who when you don't get your way you start the insults and name-calling. There is no point in my continuing any debate with someone of your ilk. When you start the insults it shows you have lost the argument. But then judging by your name you obviously wouldn't know much about the situation in the UK. By the way Nationalists from Wales are represented in the UK Parliament and have their say like everyone else. You should return to your shanty and stop speaking gibberish when you have no idea what you are talking about

[@adampowell5376]

I think that no deal Brexit could push Wales to independence. If Scotland gets independence the Welsh may want it too.

[@lovejetfuel4071]

@freaky Friday thats true, it would just be England left, so anyone from England , their passport would no longer say UK, but just England. I hope this happens to teach MPs a lesson

[@beegnutz]

Are there enough Welsh people left to vote for it?

[@DaDunge]

@@beegnutz Funny enough people who move into an area often come to identify with its past.

[@richardsmith2825]

Then Cornwall. I find it hilarious that only now Brexiteers are waking up to this!

[@DaDunge]

@ME give it a generation.

[@SMKshaun]

My favorite part about these comments is Little Englanders saying things like "good luck trying to survive without England" haha - if you genuinely feel this way, you shouldn't care if they leave, same with Scotland - if they're such a drain on England, let them go their own way.

[@ryanhaigh8985]

I want them two so we can watch them rot

[@martindornan1667]

Most small independent western European countries are richer than England, according to Wikipedia the UK is 22nd for GDP per capita.

[@SMKshaun]

@Catfish Billy oh I'm English , my comment is aimed at the nationalists who are being so obscenely careless towards what happens to the union. I love Scotland and Wales dearly, but at this point in time I cannot fault them for wanting to distance themselves from us

[@hassymiia6267]

Everyone needs to get a grip. Why do you want to destroy what we have, United Kingdom, Britain. Where all can roam freely. Am not White Brit but am a Brit, and have never gone Scotland before yet, if Scotland goes independent then I cannot visit it like it’s my own country being part of the UK. Let’s face it no matter where you born each of the Island is part of your own country, and one should respect and take pride in that. All parts need each other, makes the United Kingdom. I live in South Wales but I was born in London and moved to South Wales and have most of my family, cousins, relatives in London, Other parts of England. I like it here lot more jobs available, less populated, less crimes (away less than London), people are friendly but you do get the odd weirdos), but opportunities are more, and hence why more people from England moving here, I know many from London moved here, people from western side of England moving here especially from Bristol. Let’s all understand one thing. Together you’re better and bigger. Alone will make you weak only!

[@malcolmjohn3273]

Imagine the price england would would have to pay for their water !!!, they pay LESS than the Welsh do and its OUR WATER !!

[@Fanboy675]

I love how that Plaid Cymru guy at the end was pretty much saying the same things about england as they were saying about the EU in 2016.

[@richardsmith2825]

What goes around comes around!

[@mikeshadez]

Nope it is just identity politics not the same thing.

[@TheSteelweasel]

yes they are stupid EU will eat them up . they dont have ports so everything comes to UK ..... want to be welsh and slaves to EU funny ha ha

[@Fanboy675]

Well, maybe better than slaves to the English I guess. The EU put more funding into Wales than England did. Just look at what's been promised after no deal. 300mil to share between Scotland, Wales, and NI? The EU sends Wales 650mil a year.

[@Fanboy675]

@historypoliticsbb I love it because you just know England will be all about unions and stuff. Just like with Scotland.

[@mamamac5267]

Go Wales good on you,set yourself free.....

[@saxglend9439]

Lervish

[@Dave-hu5hr]

🥔!

[@mamamac5267]

Mark Shepphard so,so does Scotland but the still rule their own country...and still be able to move around freely...

[@_MrAvocado_]

@@mamamac5267 freeeeeeedom of movement is, of course, of paramount importance to 99% to Scots, I'm sure.

[@callumstewart7230]

What a well mannered and insightful politician. You don't get to say that too often these days! Interviewer's questions were purposefully inflammatory and all of them were answered pretty well and succinctly. 10/10

[@peterdauda3351]

Nothing last for ever. The British empire is going going gone.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Newsflash : Wales voted to LEAVE the European Union.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

But far more to the point, the UK voted to LEAVE the European Union.

[@garsm2290]

Opnion's changed. The referendum is years ago and the full import or Brexit is coming home ...

[@californiadreamin8423]

Billie Piper’s Teeth TM When was this vote ?

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Gar Sm : Unsubstantiated assertions made ad nauseam will be rejected ad nauseam. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is LEAVING the European Union, per democratic mandate. It is long past time to make peace with this reality and move on with your life, queue jumper.

[@shriramvenu]

I guess Welsh nationalists are still pro EU. The way i see it the many smaller independence movements springing up across europe are all about becoming an independent country, but staying within the EU

[@ottovonskidmark629]

I think Wales and Scotland should become independent. In the long run it would turn out good for England. Everyone would be happy. Referendum please for both Scotland and Wales !!

[@poppet229]

I do not want independence and no one in this area does

[@timothyphillips5043]

But I know you live in Reading lol.

[@tonyjones9442]

phillips lots of welsh in Reading.

[@jakehenderson9845]

Then prepare for dark times my friend.

[@tonyjones9442]

@@jakehenderson9845 why,lots of us welsh dont want it. The silent majority dont want it.

[@tonyjones9442]

@@poppet229 I'm on north wales too.

[@earthman6700]

The Tories really know how to screw things up!

[@biocapsule7311]

Well they are the right-wing, which means profit for the very short term, wildly fluctuating financial outcomes for long, and unmanageable decline for the masses.

[@kryoboy1966]

Come on wales go independent.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿is rooting for u.and for feck sake some1 re-unify ireland.we can all have a big party.sorry england ur name isnt down u cant come in.

[@andyf7973]

Never happen taig.

[@moow950]

kryo Boy Yep Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 and Ireland 🇮🇪 should stand together and fight for their freedom and independence!! 👍👏✊💪

[@rory9174]

Thank you Britain for giving us foreigners such great TV. Brexit is much more fun to watch than Trump. And now that Britain has put a clown in charge of this circus, Brexit must surely be the greatest show on earth.

[@henkoosterink8744]

It is great entertainment yes, but Trump is very funny too! Never a dull moment with Brexit.

[@batfinkforever7036]

Boris is no clown...

[@johnsmith-dj6io]

Well said.

[@rory9174]

@@batfinkforever7036 According to a yougov poll ,most Brits have an unfavourable view of Johnson. The top five words associated with him by people who have an unfavourable view are “buffoon”, “idiot”, “liar”, “clown”, and “untrustworthy”. My preference is clown.

[@MegaTRUTH007]

Rory RoRy ,How can it be wrong to regain national sovereignty ?

[@aaroncrilly2005]

Independent Scotland, Independent Wales and a United Ireland NOW! Time to end English tryanical rule

[@andyf7973]

Fuckoff tarrier

[@61shirley]

Aron Crillco 😂😂

[@mikeshadez]

you're insane

[@gilbert7794]

Great time to stop England bailing out the free loaders

[@bijimon7850]

The only tyranny in this is that you want to overturn the democratic mandate to leave the eu. I am honestly questioning whether we need you at all.

[@martindornan1667]

In an independent Wales the Welsh people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not be governed by the government that another country voted for.

[@NotKimiRaikkonen]

You just described the EU and why we voted leave.

[@bobrail2647]

Good hope you Scotland and northern Ireland get your wishes soon so England can have theirs 👍👍👍👍

[@kevinstanley9537]

Duh!!!!! That's called democracy init! You been taking grievance lessons from Nicola Sturgeon is it!

[@Rikard_A]

@@NotKimiRaikkonen The you must support Welsh independence.

[@Rikard_A]

@@kevinstanley9537 England violated the Union between England and Scotland when you excuted Charles II. Scotland should have been independent with the death of Charles II. But the union must be disolved since both Wales and Scotland are been negleting. Scotlands great Cathedral of Sankt Andrew is in ruin. Thank God that Norway left the union with Sweden, we could the rebuild our culture and the Nidarosdomen that forst was destroyed during Danish rule, later neglected by Sweden.

[@benchang1022]

I don’t blame them for wanting to leave Boris’s kingdom.

[@rodhayward836]

This highlights how un-united we are.

[@rodhayward836]

@swave158 Yes we are all cheesed off with naff politicians. Not enough common sense, just blind loyalty to some psychopath or other.

[@Dave-hu5hr]

From a Channel 4 perspective yes.

[@Dave-hu5hr]

@swave158 You need to get out more.

[@bobrail2647]

Agree entirely and of course when they come to England looking for work no benefits 👍👍👍

[@ThePp12345678]

No it doesn't, it shows how some people are playing a game by blaming Westminster not The EU for all the regulations, Laws. I blame the pro-eu lot in Westminster, the Welsh Assembly, Scotland and ROI for lies over the years by covering for the EU. Whenever anti-eu people have stated facts on how our rights are being taken by the EU, the pro-eu lot have slandered them.

[@StevePeel]

They don't want to be a part of the UK, but are quite happy to be controlled by Brussels. It really makes no sense and is more remainer rubbish. I understand wanting independence as a country, it's why we wan't out of the EU, and that will be real independence, not swapping one controller for another.

[@leehighland5435]

They just hate the English, it's the same with the Scottish nationalists, it's not about independence. An English independence party is required.

[@calderarecords]

It all starts with fear. Fear is when thought breaks down.

[@hornkraft9438]

"Those who control the spice control the universe." - Dune.

[@gustofzephyr947]

If the union falls apart, Boris Johnson will be the last Prime Minister of the United Kingdom just like his idol Churchill who was, more or less, the last Prime Minister of the British Empire.

[@smiggo1481]

As an Englishman I agree, the English want to leave the EU so I think we should let Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland leave the UK and take their problems with them. It also includes of course ending free travel zone, ending the dual passport arrangement, helping those who want to relocate back to there national country, money and imposing hard borders etc.

[@leehighland5435]

Hard borders, love the sound of that, English independence.

[@Gecmajster123456]

yes the same for SCOTLAND !!! go for it !!! ,

[@leviking4891]

100 % agree, the UK as a whole is poorer because we been governed by the country next door, the EU has been terrible for the UK economy, destroyed industry and common values, so i get why Wales wants independence

[@moow950]

A toast 🥂 to the end of the United Kingdom after Brexit! Scotland and Wales free and independent , Ireland united! Let Little England fend for themselves.

[@itsjad8365]

An independent Wales would be much less well off, not a good idea.....

[@philbemji3337]

The problem is the Welsh... too stupid and drunk to understand.

[@davesification]

I live in South Wales, and my experience of Welsh nationalism is that of a contrived counter-culture for middle class hipsters who are desperate for some sense of victim-hood. If you go to an independence rally in Cardiff, you'll find it in no way reflects Cardiff in terms of representation of the working class or of people of colour. We have so many problems in Wales, especially with Brexit and 10 years of brutal austerity, and nationalists can't explain how independence helps any of them. Ironically, when I am approached by YesCymru activists, their arguments are reminiscent of the VoteLeave campaign, offering nothing more than cultural conservatism and unfounded promises about sunlit uplands, and when confronted with facts (like the fact that public spending per capita in Wales is higher than any region in England, despite the fact that our GDP per capita is lower than Gabon's) they storm off angrily. I am aware that the movement is more inclusive/less middle class in the North and West, but the fact remains that we are far more likely to regenerate Wales via a green new deal than via independence.

[@goattm2]

What about Caernarfon then dipshit? Is that a rich middle class area? Why is the next march in Merthyr if it's just a hipster thing?

[@jamsandwich9069]

Interesting to hear about it from a Welsh perspective, in Scotland the majority of those working for independence are working class and there are few delusions about "sunlit uplands" (Andrea Leadsom), we just want to decide our political and socio-cultural future, we want to have entirely Scottish success or failure, on our head be it. The UK took back control from a contrived body of countries so why can't Scotland or Wales (or Ireland) take back control from a contrived body of countries ? A lot of folk in the UK voted to leave the EU for the principle of an over arching and essentially foreign government dictating to them. It is pretty much how a lot of folk in Scotland feel and yes, it is just as vague but just as valid.

[@Inquisitor_Vex]

A ‘what is best’ vs ‘what is best right now’ argument.

[@davesification]

@One Dwi'n gymro fel mae'n digwydd

[@jamsandwich9069]

@One Brussels can be negotiated with or denied there then follows arbitration and the courts. Scotland is told what to do by Westminster full stop. The Scottish tax-payer for example is currently being told that 2% of GDP is to be spent on the military as per NATO's order, £200 billion is to be spent on trident with a further £200 billion on new aviation and the F-35 programme - no control over big budgetary concerns and, obviously, foreign policy and still taking crumbs from the table and if Scotland did join the EU as an independent country and it was too restrictive we could hold a referendum and Scexit.

[@someuser6796]

As the man who runs XR says: You convince people by making them feel emotion

[@zippers987]

INDEPENDENCE FROM ENGLAND FOR ALL

[@iliveinurcloset]

WTF are u kidding me u are English and want uk to dk

[@st00fa]

I’m Welsh and very happy to say that. Independence is a terrible idea. It’s not just about be governed by it’s also very much about being subsidised by the UK. Financially, Wales cannot survive on its own.

[@Gillemear]

Deja vue. All these arguments against Welsh nationalism, economics, borders etc, were made over 100 years ago against Irish independence. History has proven them false assumptions. If it is the democratic will of the people of Wales and Scotland to become independent self governing nations then I welcome them back into the light as a fellow celt, away from the insular inward looking dominance of John Bull.

[@tonyjones9442]

Problem is,just like Ireland,wales is not United. Many of us in North wales want break free from Cardiff's rule.

[@leehighland5435]

England should just leave the Union, build hard borders and say goodbye.

[@emmylouplaysuke5846]

Lets do it for Owain Glyndwr!

[@run2cat4run]

Why are Wales want independence? They mostly voted for Brexit.

[@lookman-2844]

An interesting fact is that Scotland, Wales and Ulster are highly subsidized by the UK government. If these places stayed in the EU or went independent the people would notice a massive drop in living standards. However the problems with Europe is the economy is geared to enrich Germany there is no subsidies for the periphery. The EU is so sclerotic and dictatorial it will eventually collapse.

[@jarednovel]

WHILE COUNTRIES SUCH AS CHINA ARE LOOKING OUTWARDS FOR GROWTH .,,,THE UK AND USA ARE ISOLATING THEMSELVES AND WHAT WILL FOLLOW IS VERY TRAGIC

[@goldenlink10]

Yeah because the world is in the EU, UK and U.S is looking outwards for growth not possible in the EU

[@jarednovel]

@Mark Shepphard I have never known anything called benefits ...where we come from benefits do not exist

[@sandall7398]

I think Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales should stay together as a United Kingdom. As England seems to desperate for independence let it have it. There's the problem solved. Everyone will get what they want.

[@paulies5407]

Wales voted to leave you consummate toby.

[@sandall7398]

@@paulies5407 But it wouldn't vote to leave now.

[@sandall7398]

@EIRE LAND What foreign Monarchy?

[@semiveriland]

When England admits and apologizes for its atrocities people might begin to forgive it and move closer to it.

[@splinterbyrd]

Like Ireland, Wales was never a single state but a set of principalities all squabbling with each other. The only time Ireland or Wales were ever united was under the English.

[@TheLewisLegend]

Wales was already a country in 1054......

[@chrisklitou7573]

Wales voted for Brexit and are very pro union these people are a minority

[@DaDunge]

6:55 Yeah Wales is poor but before the EU so was Ireland. These days Ireland is a net contributor to the EU.

[@Dave-hu5hr]

So it's paid back it's bail out money in full from the last recession then.. ?

[@DaDunge]

@Albert Pike so? The U.S. also has massive debts. Debt only matters if it grows quicker than inflation.

[@DaDunge]

@@Dave-hu5hr aren't you lot still paying your debts from the seven years war?

[@DaDunge]

@Albert Pike between 70-90% of Ireland support the EU.

[@martindornan1667]

@Albert Pike The UK national debt has under the Torys in the last 9 years gone from about one trillion pounds to in 2019 £2.18 trillion. That massive increase in the UK national debt by the Torys happened at the same time as the Torys austerity cuts against the working poor, disabled, unemployed, children and public services. High street banks disappearing, being replaced with food banks and homelessness on the increase. With the health services struggling and education budget cut per head. The Torys are incompetent.

[@joescott5015]

'Lets create an island of equal nations' - Population of England = 55 million, population of Wales 3 million. Tell me how that is fair

[@JoeMarine]

UK wants to leave the European union and the countries in the United Kingdom want the leave the UK. Oh the Irony!

[@zakthomas7978]

Lol. He says all the power is in Westminster but wants to be part of Europe. Hmmm so he wants to be ruled by Europe but not London. Lol

[@Funkikora]

you correct

[@martindornan1667]

The little Englanders are saying that Wales is poor and will not survive being independent. But Wales is controlled by Westminster and if Wales is that poor it is due to lack of investment from Westminster for decades. The same Westminster that favours London and the south east of England for investment. So all the more reason to become independent and get decision making for investment etc. In Cardiff. In an independent Wales the Welsh people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not be governed by the government that another country voted for. Most small independent western European countries are richer than England. According to Wikipedia the UK is 22nd in GDP per capita.

[@jackkruese9929]

Ruled by Brussels and not London ? I wouldn’t blame him

[@hawsrulebegin7768]

Eu gave Wales more help than England had.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Boris Johnson congratulations ...... the first Prime Minister of England. With grandparents from the 4 quarters of the British Isles, , living in England, not Turkey as you claim, why should my future be jeopardised by you ?

[@californiadreamin8423]

UndergroundGrower UK Really !! Well thanks for that . Does Boris know ??? Bollox to Brexit, I need my Insulin.

[@billyscott5635]

I'm English and want independence for all nations in my opinion British is just a geographical term like Scandinavian for example 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪

[@eamonnsiocain6454]

How united is the UK? Let us count the many ways: Scotland voted 62% to remain in the EU, Northern Ireland voted 56% to remain in the EU, and England and Wales outvoted them by a less than 4% margin.

[@amermahmood77]

and what is the population of Scotland vs England... Exactly.

[@rsrs8632]

Westminster has mismanaged every country/region they have ever owned. Wales, Scotland, Ireland, India, Australia, Canada, South Africa, Egypt, ... pretty much all have fared better when independend from the Westminster governments. London is and only will be the beneficiary of their policies.

[@spidos1000]

Rs Rs so I guess the eu would do a better job?

[@rogerbennett9641]

Such a banal statement.

[@lellyparker]

I think it would solve everyone's problems if the UK just kicked England out of the UK.

[@Dave-hu5hr]

Good luck kicking me out luv.

[@EinkOLED]

England is where all the money and industry is. We are a united kingdom and shall stick together.

[@Talushallux1]

@ Lelly Parker. 😜This is a hilarious comment which is prudent and practical than going through this never ending charade of brexit.

[@lellyparker]

@@EinkOLED There is plenty of money and industry in the EU.

[@lellyparker]

@@Dave-hu5hr Well you don't seem to be doing a very good job of kicking me out of the EU so there is that.

[@frazerspence4331]

North Wales has always hated England. So they want independence? What about if South Wales want to remain in the UK? Wales is one country not two so how will they get independence if the people of South Wales say no?

[@T-ADMIN]

I'm a proud Welsh person. Personally I'd prefer to be part of the UK and Welsh than part of the EU and Welsh. Could we not argue the case to become a little more independent as a country and still be part of UK? We are strong together

[@jamsandwich9069]

We are strong together but if you are implying we would be weaker apart then that is fallacious thinking and crooked logic. The member states of the EU are radically different in some cases but they have built mechanisms and frameworks to collaborate through - it would be a doddle by comparison for former UK countries to build a similar framework due to shared currency, language, infrastructure and vast amounts more.

[@joshveall7092]

no because wales voted in full favour of Brexit what part of that don’t you understand

[@garsm2290]

Opnion's changed. The referendum is years ago and the full import or Brexit is coming home ...

[@ChrisRedfield--]

When they discovered their agriculture will be destroyed and the ruthless rule of Westminster , they changed their mind.

[@joshveall7092]

Gar Sm opinion don’t change pal have you not seen how popular the brexit party is ?

[@joshveall7092]

Chris Redfield are you a moron our agriculture will not be destroyed and we run by Westminster regardless

[@andyf7973]

@@joshveall7092 exactly they'll always get my vote.

[@tomhermens7698]

Rediculous!!! England is part of Wales.

[@mikestephenson7505]

If Wales wants independence why shouldn't any other large county in the UK have independance. i.e. Yorkshire. There are more people who live in Yorkshire than Wales.

[@timothyphillips5043]

That was the best argument for Welsh independence I have herd in decades. this could be a turning point in Welsh history.

[@Omegaman1969]

Yeah good luck with that . England has 55 million people in that find the social care for Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland, they would be third world countries if independent.

[@bbclondon4]

EU subsidies. And they would relocate businesses from London to Cardiff, Edinburgh and Dublin'.

[@richardsmith2825]

If Scotland goes..Wales goes. Then Cornwall if "Mam Cymru" goes. The North won't want to be stuck with the "Jeremys" and will join Scotland. London will want to keep it's financial might by becoming a City state. Boris Johnson...Prime Minister of Surrey!

[@mighty.me96]

I just dont get it the uk is already a small country and you want to divided into even samller countries !! How you are going to protect and maintain yourself!!

[@petrovonoccymro346]

Ahmed Shaker the same way that many other smaller countries than Wales do.

[@kristopherashley7524]

Because we defend our land when attacked, not bully other countries like America and the British Army

[@oliverhunter3015]

I would suggest by joining a larger economic union of European states. But that doesn't seem to be that popular right now

[@benowen8321]

The UK is not a country.

[@borakaraca9788]

basicly they will be franco-german(eu) vassals

[@celticcomradelad1850]

Since Southern Ireland gained independence and left the UK they have become the 5th richest country in the world by GDP and is far ahead of the UK. Wales and Scotland do what's best for you.

[@taintabird23]

That's by GDP per capita...

[@kevburke]

Fair play to the Welsh. Go for it lads, we'll be your mates 🇮🇪👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@andyf7973]

You Tim's would be....

[@kevburke]

@@andyf7973 I don't get that reference. Don't worry, I'm sure it was fabulous.

[@andyf7973]

@@kevburke being a Tim you should mate 😂

[@kevburke]

@@andyf7973 love it. Look, it's been lovely talking to you, but since you're clearly trawling KZbin looking to hurl racial slurs, I would rather not give you the satisfaction, so... best of luck with brexit, I guess.

[@andyf7973]

@@kevburke pretty sure it's sectarian mate not racist and thanks best of luck with paying back all that money you owe the UK bailouts and such....

[@jamesroyle6888]

You've got to ask yourself why c4 are focusing on something that has less than 15% support for in Wales.

[@StewartEvans52]

because they have an agenda just like other media outlets

[@rogerbennett9641]

Every issue or non issue that can be skewed to make Brexit a bad thing will be broadcast relentlessly until we leave that corrupt Zoo they call the EU.

[@richardsmith2825]

Not anymore. Last week it was 25%. A few years ago it was 3%. Politics is about momentum.What do you think will happen if Scotland goes and Ireland reunifies?

[@rogerbennett9641]

@@richardsmith2825 England will initially save a lot of money, what they do with that bounty afterwards is anybodies guess.

[@rogerbennett9641]

We might even charge a divorce settlement.

[@stuartkelly3106]

I think Wales more than Northern Ireland and Scotland have a bigger shout for independence (if they so pleased)as they speak their own language.

[@ottovonskidmark629]

Yes i agree.

[@holdforth724]

This guy... Wales voted to leave the EU Leave 52.5% 854,572 VOTES

[@richardsmith2825]

Wow. Just Wow. So pleased to see this! Wales is finally waking up. Many have said that Wales is an idea as well as a nation. It could be the first in the world to show that being proud of an identity doesn't mean negative nationalism. It's true as "Billie Piper's Teeth" has said below that many voted Brexit but that's out of deep poverty and desperation. The next step has to be UDI.

[@benowen8321]

How would it work though? Are they going to join the EU? Identity gone if so. If not, then how? Currency? Courts? Parliament? Banks? If you leave there will be a border between England and the rest of the UK. Is that really what the welsh want? They cannot exist on their own. The UK can only just about do it.

[@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362]

No because the majority in wales voted brexit 😂

[@martynfenton4862]

Er the proposition makes no logical sense because how can you have independence within the eu? Are you listening Scotland because you have, do and will have FAR more say as part of the UK than the eu

[@martynfenton4862]

@frenchie jones I'm not a tory you muppet

[@Stevieboy130664]

We know that a third of SNP voters voted for Brexit - now why did they do that? A friend in mine voted for Scottish independence and then for Brexit because, in his words, it makes Scottish independence inevitable. Brexit is an absolute gift for non-English nationalists in the UK. Expect the UK to be pulled apart at the seams over the next ten years after a hard (or even moderately soft) Brexit.

[@awesomeavenger2810]

Assuming Scottish nationalists could negotiate a leave deal from the rest of the UK. Which, if Brexit is anything to go by, they wouldn't.

[@Stevieboy130664]

@@awesomeavenger2810 wait and see - Brexit has increased the risk of the UK breakup from unthinkable to possible if not probable yet.

[@alexanderb293]

Next on c4 news: No more sun in the UK if we leave the EU without a deal ☹️

[@captscratchybeard]

Propaganda machine in full effect

[@Buckers0885]

What a load of propaganda WALES VOTED LEAVE

[@GreenCocanix]

You heard it

[@DaBIONICLEFan]

Wants to leave UK on the basis of controlling their own affairs but wants to stay in the EU? How is it that Scotland and Wales now view a faceless undemocratic union, the leaders of which aren't elected, more positively than the one they're in ? The UK is full of people of the same culture, and share a history. These nationalists are pretty much saying "I know we've been united with you for 500 years, fought side by side in two world wars, married into each others' families, work for the same companies, speak the same language and watch the same TV, but we feel more solidarity and security with the banks and unelected elitists on 8-figure salaries in an entirely different country".

[@andrewelphick2304]

someone paints some graffiti and this is a resurgence in welsh independence? Is this a parody story?

[@SamMitchell90]

Given that support for independence in many US States is higher than it is in Wales, no I don't think it'll lead to welsh independence. Many US states could survive on their own separate from the US, Wales could not from the UK

[@phyjcb]

US states are not allowed to secede. There is no article 50 in the US constitution.

[@timothyphillips5043]

Wales is not a state of the UK. There is no comparison to be made. Wales is a country with over two thousand years of history culture and language. America is a country of just over two hundred years with next to no history, culture and doesn't even have a language of it's own David.

[@jamsandwich9069]

Are you saying Wales would become a failed state without England ? Talk pish ya bawbag, regards from sunny Scotland.

[@adityanawani8134]

Jam Sandwich Sunny?😀😀😀

[@Hashterix]

😂 no, it won't. Wales voted for Brexit! Pull the other one, channel 4

[@stardust5379]

Let each home nation be independent. Each is capable of governing their own people. End the Union.

[@melvinpenman1102]

fantastic watching wales grow and realise that they have been used and abused for centuries

[@sirdigbychicken-caesar5189]

Every time Welsh independence is discussed the mainstream media says that England subsidises Wales and it will be an economic disaster. If this is true why does England want Wales to stay in the UK?

[@rogerbennett9641]

Why doesn't London go for independence they subsidise the rest of the UK?

[@martindornan1667]

If what you say is true all the more reason for Welsh independence. The supposed deficit Wales has happened under Westminster control. Most small western European countries are richer than England according to Wikipedia the UK is 22nd in GDP per capita.

[@rogerbennett9641]

@@martindornan1667 And what ranking do you think Wales would have in the GDP per capita rankings after independence and would that change over the next 20 yrs and how?

[@joker_g7337]

You could expand the question to the whole EU. Why is Paris ruling over the Provence? Why is Berlin ruling over Bayern? Why is Madrid ruling over Catalonia?

[@ericneil8626]

thats total rubbish. those are provinces within a state. Wales and Scotland are sovereign countries.

[@tomkeating5178]

please scotland please wales please go away then however when ever there is a referendum you vote to stay in uk and take money , please just go go go

[@ottovonskidmark629]

I am also with you, i pray every day that Scotland gains Independence and we get shot of them, together with Wales. No hard feelings, but please go away Scotland and Wales !

[@luked8380]

Can I just make an observation that Welsh independence advocates are not speaking Welsh to their attendees? I'm not a unionist or independent, but rather 'freedom'. If your people do not feel free or represented then they should be free to lead themselves.

[@markandcathynickerson1287]

Brexit? Breakup! Britain no more.

[@johnsmith-ky5qg]

lol, Wales and Scotland..."We don't like being ruled by England, we would rather be ruled by Germany and France!"

[@justinmcneil659]

Free Wales, Free Scotland, Unite Ireland!

[@khankrum1]

Wales is not a nation, it is a Principality. It has never been a nation, and can not survive as a nation. Where is your budget for a start? Let alone a viable economy! Scotland is different! it has long been a nation state!

[@TheLewisLegend]

Wales was a nation for around 10 years before the normans gobbled it up

[@scootjockey]

I am all for Wales Scotland and of course NI to become independent ENGLAND is better of without them.

[@kellymm7630]

Or maybe off

[@paulies5407]

No. Wales voted to leave, as did the whole UK. In Scotland, more people voted leave than voted for the SNP at the last election.

[@dalemarshall8398]

The ballot didn't say leave or SNP though so not really comparible. You really have to cherry pick the Scottish brexit vote to come away with that fact.

[@andyf7973]

The SNP only care about independence lbh they moan about Brexit but yet they can't take the fact 55% of us voted to remain in the union in 2014 hypocrisy at it's finest.

[@andyf7973]

@tcfreestyler123x *Scots and handouts? Pretty sure i also work for a living pal thankfully not all the English are as arrogant and thick as you.

[@Locutus]

I agree, Wales needs to be independent. It needs to be independent from EU rule, like the rest of the UK. Only once Wales and the UK are free from the EU, can we rebuild our country, and make Great Britain, greater.

[@daviddavies5555]

I’m Australian of welsh descent and no country who ever left English rule has regretted it since. Independence is highly recommended!

[@ryanhaigh8985]

No one ever regretted it🤣🤣 your mad u loads have of u look back most of them did so do ya history

[@richardw7959]

Nationalism seems OK if your aren't English. 6:08 sounds like an argument for exiting the EU, contradicted at 7:32.

[@u.a5351]

U don’t see the welsh nationalists causing havoc on the streets.

[@richardw7959]

@@u.a5351 I haven't personally seen any English Nationalists do so either.

[@tedhuges8275]

de godfather not to long ago. They were blowing. Places up don’t brush it under the carpet

[@KingScorpio84]

they haven't met the eu yet the eu will explain them in english that they dont care about welsh culture, they are a communist economic union and have more important stuff to do

[@rogerbennett9641]

@@richardw7959 Buy a cottage in Wales and come home to a real fire!