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With chaos reigning in the UK it seems that there's more and more talk of the union collapsing. Generally, though, this conversation is focused around Scottish Independence, but they're not the only ones who could pack their bags. So in this video we take a look at whether the Welsh also want to leave the UK and how this could actually happen.
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[@joelbenford9327]

If Wales left the UK they could get dragons on their passports.

[@marconatrix]

Cool, but at least the Scots will get Unicorns! :-) :-) ;-)

[@JakeTheTrouserSnake]

Well now I want to be Welsh, wtf? 23 years of English nationalism killed by a dragon, the irony is blinding 😂

[@unfairlive2]

@Fresh Turkey If they were an independent country then they would need a passport, Luxembourg is a example of a tiny eu country, and they do indeed, have their own passport.

[@GeoffreyHellington]

*support for Welsh independence jumps to 100%*

[@tomosroberts1294]

This would be cool

[@BrandonPooley]

Can't wait until we get to the part where the seven kingdoms seceed from England and we take this thing back to 1056.

[@omaralkayal7598]

England Scotland Wales Ulster Republic Isle of Man Cornwall Balkanizing the UK

[@petervaughan9111]

Make Wessex great again

[@danishzuhairi338]

@@omaralkayal7598 lmaoo

[@hobbabobba7912]

Why would you want that?

[@Macaroth1]

Finally my many hours of playing Mount and Blade pay off.

[@Ziegrif]

This is the weirdest focking game of Crusader Kings I've seen yet.

[@NLTops]

You need to play more CK, this doesn't even scratch my top-10. The king isn't a satanic horse that philanders with his own cousins.

[@superhans85]

Johnson needs to set his focus on diplomacy, Time to start carousing with Sturgeon, Macron and Merkel

[@CedarHunt]

@@NLTops *Looks at prince Charles* ... Not yet anyways...

[@iapetusmccool]

England isn't Scottish and Scotland isn't Swedish. And Lithuania isn't scattered across Central Asia. This isn't even close to a weird Crusader Kings game. (Although 2020 still has over a month to go, so there is always a chance the Aztecs will turn up).

[@10Tabris01]

@@NLTops You sure?

[@jean-danielodonncada8161]

"Has devolution worked, or just led to the collapse of the UK?" For those who want their countries not controlled by England, that *IS* devolution working.

[@Nick-kz6dg]

England: We don't want to be dominated by the EU. Let's Brexit! Scotland, Wales, NI: Well we don't want to be dominated by England. Let's leave the Union. England: *surprised Pikachu face*

[@lighthouse620]

Interesting that you left out that Wales voted to leave the EU

[@lompeluiten]

@@lighthouse620 Even if they don't want to join the EU, it is still pretty funny if it would happen.

[@kieransawdust]

@@theblackswordsman9951 Limited autonomy, no real fiscal control, and a UK wide representation system that means that even if the whole of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland combined were against something it doesn't matter because if England wants it we have it regardless. Look at the last GE, the Tories only won England.

[@iwanbleasdale3387]

@@lighthouse620 Welsh people didnt vote to leave the EU. English settlers did. Once you factoer out the English settlers we overwhelmingly voted remain.

[@sparkymarky7504]

@@iwanbleasdale3387 that’s quite a racist thing to say. Are foreign born migrants living in London also merely “settlers”? Should their vote count for less than a Voter who’s family has lived in London for generations?

[@chriser3753]

When Scotland tried for independence, i was like "noo! don't leave us! :( were better together!" Now i'm like "Gurl. RUN get out while you still can, save yourselves!"

[@syedbilalnafees2002]

Same here

[@tryxoso2015]

Yeah Brexit changed everything. EU>UK

[@benfarmer-webb1016]

Just because we can't get out doesn't mean you shouldn't try

[@petervaughan9111]

Hear hear

[@xaviersaskuatch9313]

I have the same sentiment. It's not just the UK leaving the EU its how the Westminster government has gone about it. So many slogans, infighting, petty point scoring over the last 4 years since the Brexit vote to leave and the UK is simply not ready to deal with it. Its humiliating being English seeing how this is being done on the world stage with little chance of change in both competency and general attitude in politics. If I were Scottish I would vote for independence.

[@JayJay5244]

Woah imagine being the Prime Minister who oversaw the breakup of the UK... The dude who lost the 13 colonies doesn’t seem that incompetent anymore lol...

[@anthonymacgregor9790]

least the dude who lost 13 colonies lost it in a fight

[@briangronberg6507]

Lord North?

[@MeidoInHebun]

@@anthonymacgregor9790 And he still kept the Canada colonies

[@anthonymacgregor9790]

@@MeidoInHebun yeah but comes to the 13 colonies that would be part of the us he lost it in a fight

[@hendrikdependrik1891]

What about the Queen? From day 1 in office the British Empire only has shrunken. If this trend continues, she'll be the last queen of the UK.

[@natecar1]

Weird that he says that wales has a low level of nationalism since, in my experience, most welsh people I've met REALLY love being welsh... A LOT

[@a6s3]

I think in this context they mean nationalism in the sense of wanting to be an independent nation, which historically has been low, and is not the same as nationalism in the sense of cultural identity, which is just as strong as the other constituent countries.

[@1SouthernRaj]

Yea but Welsh has very low support for Independence, the lasted that came out on beginning of this year was only 33% at best

[@randodinosaurxoxo601]

@Welsh Independance Supporter very true from where I’m from down in north wales you get a lot of people from Liverpool coming over leaving the city life

[@joshuathomas668]

@Welsh Independance Supporter I am 20 and most of my friends I grew up with are half Welsh and half English (I am Welsh with 1/4 English ancestry). I just can't imagine a lot of young Welsh people wanting to completely break off from England because so many of us have family and friends there. Also speaking from experience the job opportunities are extremely limited in Wales for a lot of people and I can't imagine how such a small country would be able to genuinely compete in that aspect.

[@TyrooShino]

"And parliament has just decided to take this power back" How can people not read that and not smell the tyrannical control England has over countries around it.

[@jordaneveritt6754]

@@BritJim nonsense

[@benfarmer-webb1016]

That's it my bedroom is becoming independent from the UK

[@dougaltolan3017]

Yay! finally...

[@yungstallion2201]

I don’t get it, you you making fun if separatists or the UK?

[@lukeholt5485]

@@yungstallion2201 I'm assuming that his bedroom is across the border from the rest of his house.

[@frankmcnally5993]

My left hand thumb is becoming independent, hopefully it will reapply to the EU

[@davidpeterson5647]

A Pict walks into a bar. A Celt asks for a seat next to the Pict. A Roman smacks the Celt and tells him to sit over in the corner, then leaves without another word. A Jute, an Angle, and a Saxon walk in, one after the other, and tells everyone to be quiet while the game is on, recounting how great they once were on the pitch. A Dane walks in, embeds his axe into a table, and tells everyone to shape up and does his own thing. A Norman walks in, kills everyone but one inside, then burns the pub to the ground. A Welshman sips his coffee and quips, as the flames lap around him, "This is fine."

[@otakuofmine]

@Bryn Webster they might have been. Lancashire/Cumbria was celtic too till a certain moment, just that language and culture didnt survive much at all. now some fun people giving the idea to use it as bridge, connected wales and scotland in a celtic union. not gonna lie, love that idea as living in lancaster

[@adventussaxonum448]

A Celt walks into the bar and the Pict says " Hang on a minute, you don't exist..... You're merely a linguistic and cultural continuum" Meanwhile, the Norman says to the smirking Welshman, "If you thought that the Anglo-Saxon was a bad neighbour, you ain't seen nothing yet. BTW let your Irish pals know we'll be over there soon to improve their lot. You can come along as well, as long as you do as you're told. Don't worry, we can all blame the English."

[@jameshazelwood9433]

@Bromley Co you are correct it is a very vague term however I do feel these people of which I am one should have a word to describe language culture place names shared myths celebrations and so on. So if you can think of something better Ill give it a try

[@rogerdavies8586]

@@otakuofmine You are right. My parents live near a mountain in the north of England called pen-y-ghent. Sounds Welsh doesn't it? Marianne

[@rogerdavies8586]

@@adventussaxonum448 Is the point that little Taffy wouldn't notice if his arse was on fire and would be too humble to complain if he did? Marianne

[@tylerbartlam3971]

I feel like the whole of the UK is just run by London. Like I doubt northerners feel represented by Westminster.

[@superboygamer4034]

As a welsh person the only time I’ve seen Y Senedd been use is in COVID Before that it was like it didn’t exist

[@MidgeCat]

I'm from Surrey, a county bordering London And WE don't even feel represented That's how bad it's got

[@barclaac]

I grew up in North Wales. There's no difference between being governed by a bunch of politicians in Cardiff vs Westminster. The North is ignored either way.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

Hold up, are you guys siding with leave or are you siding with remain?

[@MidgeCat]

@@olsenfernandes3634 Not really relevant to what we're discussing tbh

[@komradekevinthekommuneistd7362]

This is looking rather ... Yugoslav

[@gregajezersek9473]

Very yugoslav to be honest

[@alengrm7488]

Scotland is British Slovenia, Northern Ireland is British Croatia and Wales is British Montenegro Oh and Cornwall is British Kosovo lol

[@NAYRUthunder99]

@@alengrm7488 I'd say NI is British Bosnia, contested to death by England/Serbia and Ireland/Croatia. Still, the Yugoslav paragon is a true and discouraging image of the future. No one seems able anymore to identify with something greater than their small province. It happened with Brexit rejecting EU and now again with rejection of the UK.

[@NAYRUthunder99]

@Ginger You got it wrong, I meant that the Brexit English sentiment of "take sovereignty back" ("from others who are different from us" is implied) is comparable to the Scottish sentiment for independence. And, in my view, both are wrong, both are "Yugoslav" in nature. [Also yeah, I removed from previous comment reference to ethnicity, admittetly it sounded off]

[@NAYRUthunder99]

@Ginger Of course it's not the VERY same thing. But whatever, I got your point. My only hope is that our European Union does not meet the same end, and that her citizens understand the need of unity and of an even closer union. If Scots do feel sincerely committed, then of course they are welcome. My only fear (which may as well be unfounded) is that an independent Scotland into the EU would interpret again the same reactionary role the UK has covered for decades, keeping it as a cold business contract instead of a living democratic community.

[@gregmatic2861]

They might as well leave. Then Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and Northern Ireland can pass some sort of trade deal between them. England is the real problem there. The other parts don't hate each other they're just tired of England making all the decisions.

[@lordofnothing.]

if they leave, the EU will happily take them! We'll welcome you with open arms ♥

[@dg8620]

Wales is at a net gain for contributions and gains. Wales has suffered from leaving EU and will be very badly impacted by leaving UK. Half my family live in Wales. This would be disastrous.

[@lordofnothing.]

@@dg8620 the EU would happily take them. i'm sure

[@enmunate]

Don’t most people in the uk live in England? Maybe the UK needs actual federalism.

[@gregmatic2861]

@@GriffinParke England controls the economics because the financial services sector is in London. Up until the last election England was the most conservative part of the country and the conservatives were the party responsible for Brexit which the other parts didn't originally want.

[@Abcflc]

If I were Welsh or Scottish I would support a Celtic Union that included a unified Ireland. A stronger group of nations with a common culture is better than being ruled by a government that has exploited and subjugated the rest of the UK.

[@dazza2350]

as an Irish person I'd rather stay separate but have strong ties with both of them

[@nutpeg6915]

As a dubliner id support that 100%, sounds awesome

[@NicholasJH96]

@@nutpeg6915 being Welsh as born and grew up in Wales, I would prefer independence for Wales and Scotland and a United Ireland, who we share common things like Celtics all are Celtic countries. I wouldn't mind a Celtic union as long as it isn't like Westminster. Welsh,Irish Galic,Scottish Galic and English would be main language subjects. At least we have RTE and TG4 channels in Wales then if we had a Celtic union. But like uk tv deals would revert to England broadcast rights if Wales was independence. Meaning temporarily only BBC,S4C and ITV operating in Wales along with local tv Station. Few netflix Worldwide shows. Mainly sports would be affected tho but sooner Welsh Independence happens the better in my view

[@nutpeg6915]

@@NicholasJH96 i agree

[@jamesmiller9363]

with full control of each of their own countries instead like how the uk operates now ie england controls all the major economic levers id rather it be where ireland scotland wales have full control of each of their countries instead one calling all the cards like england does with the uk now

[@alejandrayalanbowman367]

Welsh Nationalism low? not in North Wales, Gwynedd would go independent in a flash.

[@Persei1]

But they're backwards and won't survive independence on their own. Wales will likely become divided where a large part will become part of England like Monmouthshire and Newport and the rest becomes independent. After all, only a fool would choose Wales over England.

[@martinshaw2079]

@@Persei1 England is corrupt with self centred profit before people politicians. A nation with deep rooted racism within it's society and a royal family riddled with perverted members. So it would be an easy choice for anyone not born there to live in Wales

[@justcallmefflower6677]

Also, Wales doesn’t have an assembly. Wales has a Senedd.

[@frankmcnally5993]

It was upgraded to a parliament but some people don't know

[@teiloturner5374]

Ti'n gwybod mae Cymru nawr yn y gwlad efo'r poblogaeth sinsir mwyaf yn y byd nawr

[@KingAgniKai]

@@teiloturner5374 Speak the King's English!

[@teiloturner5374]

@@KingAgniKai croga ar fy mhidyn

[@cymro6537]

@@KingAgniKai As the current reigning monarch is the Queen ,you should use the term 'Queen's English' - not 'King's English' But even with the correct term ,your comment is still imperialist , condescending, ignorant and arrogant .

[@Squimple]

As always when Wales get discussed, lots of inaccuracies. Plaid Cymru was formed in 1925, not 1997 for example. Having said that, not a terrible coverage of the issue for those outside Wales.

[@LuminalSpoon]

To be honest it's the same with Scotland as well...

[@teiloturner5374]

Ti hyd yn oed yn siarad Cymraeg bachgen?

[@Squimple]

@@teiloturner5374 Beth?

[@samuraijosh1595]

@@teiloturner5374 is that Welsh?

[@HDTomo]

​@@teiloturner5374 *cries in Welsh but cannot speak Cymraeg*

[@goldromans]

Sorry to be pedantic, but its the Scottish Parliament, not assembly. And as of earlier this year, in Wales it's the Welsh Parliament (or Senedd) :)

[@silliussoddus8751]

No, I'm pretty sure it's the Welsh Assembly Government, or WAG

[@goldromans]

@@silliussoddus8751 not since earlier this year. Welsh Assembly changed its name to the Welsh Parliament (Senedd)

[@t.wcharles2171]

( in a Palpatine voice ) I am the Senned

[@lexslate2476]

The name 'United Kingdom' is just getting funnier and funnier.

[@willtrent3077]

@Lex Slate; Yes, and they just painted that A330 aircraft 'United Kingdom' in large gold letters. More waste of money.

[@timonsolus]

No, it’s getting sadder and sadder.

[@lexslate2476]

@@timonsolus Once among the greatest of the imperial powers, the UK is now ruining things for itself. For most of the world it is like if you grew up dealing with the town bully, and then twenty years later he's completely burned out and you can watch him out the window as he gets drunk, picks a fight with a street sign, and loses. You maybe feel a little bad for him, but he spent so much time making everyone around him miserable that the most honest reaction is just pointing and laughing.

[@AnonYmous-lk9qy]

Ain’t nothing Great about Britain

[@jacobparry177]

Conjoined Kingdom? Kingdom of Cuckold Constituent Countries?

[@jonalex2823]

Cymru am byth!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@keybraker]

BREXIT backfiring nonstop

[@SuperibyP]

Like a 16in gun backfiring right into the magazine.

[@Pedgo1986]

Its not only because of Brexit. With country with semiautonomous governments that fight for power with central government breakage is bound to happen, on top of that add historical part and only question is when

[@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial]

Thanks for your stupid exuses.

[@DownUndaWhereTheresThunda]

@@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial 😂😂😂

[@keybraker]

Imperialism, is bound to fail, there is a size that cannot be exceeded with democratic or semi democratic governance. The Greek, the Roman Empire, the British all fail at some size. Although China who no has 1.5 billion people is fine as they have a dictatorship, and actively cleanses are the cultures and sub cultures.

[@garethhillary2302]

Perhaps the UK is the last vestige of the British Empire to die.

[@gerrykelly-zk6lf]

I think if you are of that mind, it is probably more correct to say the original English empire is under pressure on the original home islands. The England of today is more multi cultural with ties to the old empire countries and less bothered with the old conflicts and baggage that come with the so called home islands.

[@DSharpVII]

Elizabeth the 2nd will go down in history as the monarch that oversaw the breakup of the largest empire in history. The only parts left are tiny islands in the middle of nowhere.

[@AnonYmous-lk9qy]

That’s not a bad point, why even hold onto a country built on values that have lead us where they have.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

We still have overseas territories you know. So there actually the last vestige of the British Empire.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

@@DSharpVII Actually those islands are very profitable tax havens.

[@user-zg7xu1pj3r]

Q: which country will leave the union first, Scotland or England? A: Yes

[@mk1st]

Northern Ireland - "am I chopped liver to you?"

[@ElectricityTaster]

Then we have Manchester breaking away from Liverpool.

[@otakuofmine]

@@ElectricityTaster what do you mean by that?

[@hobbabobba7912]

@@ElectricityTaster I don't think that is ever going to happen.

[@andycole3894]

The union as a whole might, but probably wouldn't, survive. Good to chat though!

[@TenPester]

"Scotland! A no vote is a vote to stay in the EU" - Scotland remembers. Wales, come and have a conversation when you're ready.

[@imoldgregg8571]

@Jonzy 1987 Jonzy very smol think organ. NO higher eduaction amirite

[@Tonydjjokerit]

@Jonzy 1987 YAWN!!!!!!!!!It's called a type 1 civilisation vital to humanity's survival!!!Agenda 21 MY ASS!!!!!

[@andrewtrip8617]

I suspect you will want a grant from England to fund the meetings and pay your bus fair !

[@TenPester]

@@andrewtrip8617 Not in the slightest, but when England dries up in the summer, I wonder who’ll have enough water to keep it going.

[@livevine3351]

@@andrewtrip8617 oh, in that case, do you think we could get all of our resources back? And maybe we should get independence too if we are that much of a pain, I'm sure England will do fine without us! I mean, you still own Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, India and the USA right?

[@justcallmefflower6677]

I’m doing my postgrad thesis on how social media has affected the rise in interest in Welsh Nationalism and Independence during covid. Membership to YesCymru since lockdown in March has increased 500%. Every time there was controversial update from Westminster (like not feeding starving children in England) theres a huuuuge spike in joining.

[@teiloturner5374]

Ok smart ass imma join the army

[@justcallmefflower6677]

@@teiloturner5374 whats joining the army got to do with my comment?

[@teiloturner5374]

@@justcallmefflower6677 soundmlike your wasting your life go an be a fronten or somein

[@justcallmefflower6677]

@@teiloturner5374 yet again, whats joining a military force got to do with me studying for my postgraduate?

[@teiloturner5374]

@@justcallmefflower6677 everything bitch

[@allisondoak9425]

As someone of predominantly Welsh and Scottish heritage this makes me glad

[@danmacalpinbruce2555]

I can trace my roots doght back to robert the bruce. Stergen says im not welcome. As i live in yorkshirw

[@geraintcampbell9765]

Me 2 :)))

[@arga9767]

Who asked

[@arga9767]

Also most Welsh people don’t want independence because they know they will never survive on their own and they will crash and will live in poverty

[@geraintcampbell9765]

@@arga9767👏 you👏are👏not👏loved👏

[@MegaParrotMan]

It would be nice to see a Celtic alliance, Britain as it was meant to be before the Norman invasion. England has always been the odd one out.

[@dexstewart2450]

The English are not Normans - they were conquered by the Normans

[@randodinosaurxoxo601]

@@dexstewart2450 yeah but are there any non normans left no

[@rob8530]

I'm Welsh but there's too much romanticism with the Celtic past...We probably will become independent because all countries in the UK have turned their back on Christianity therefore we don't deserve unity and prosperity anymore... Before Christianity took over we were Pagans that means human sacrifice and cannibalism we would've made ISIS look tame in comparison....just be careful what you wish for

[@ctwarboss6913]

@@randodinosaurxoxo601 Um yes? Majority of English are Anglo-Saxon descendants lmao

[@ayelads]

@@ctwarboss6913 Majority are of celtic descent

[@welsh_dan_e]

If England could just leave the union and leave Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland ... That would be great!

[@VPhantom-rf3qo]

That would be great. And i'm English

[@oliverqueen5883]

I say we take the bullet for the other three authorities and take a hike

[@wheelie_1988]

UK/Britain won't survive without us.

[@hobbabobba7912]

That would fix all the problems

[@olsenfernandes3634]

Funny thing is that a vast majority of England, Wales and Northern Ireland voted for this. (England and wales= Conservative/ Ireland= Unionist) So I'd say we're either dealing with people voting wrong delebrately or a very vocal minority.

[@syedbilalnafees2002]

A United Ireland, independent Scotland and Wales are a much greater possibility now than ever befor, why? Brexit and its disastrous effects looming and the fact that Scotland and Wales have shown better leadership, compassion and competence then BoJo and his cronies could have even hoped for. Make no mistake Brexit will go down as the single biggest attributer to the UKs break up with BoJo being elected becoming a close second. I am a unionist make no mistake but failing to understand their motivations for independence and displaying gross incompetence is why I understand thier rationality in seeking freedom.

[@sclair2854]

@Welsh Guard There's a lot of issues with that (Most notably that Ireland and Scotland like the benefits of EU membership). But secondarily not adopting certain EU trading standards would be pretty disastrous for a hypothetical independent Wales, which would have next to no bartering power on the world stage.

[@reiteration6273]

As a pro-Independence Scot, I consider your analysis accurate. So far the polling hasn't really shown as much of an increase in support for Independence as I'd like before we get another referendum, but I'm hopeful that the absolute catastrophe that's coming in January when the Brexit transition ends will at least have the silver lining of persuading more Scots that we need to get out of the UK and rejoin the EU.

[@MDP1702]

@Welsh Guard The fact that you think the EU is another form of the soviet union is laughable. The closest comparison would be very early US when the states still essentially held all the power or maybe the HRE.

[@syedbilalnafees2002]

@Welsh Guard Poland, Hungary even Germany would not be were they are today without the EU and non of them(includingthe UK) can survive/sustain themselves withoutit. Simple as that

[@reiteration6273]

@Welsh Guard I was originally going to type up a serious response to your comment, but then I saw the mention of George Soros. It's disgusting that conspiracy theorists like you assume he's leading a massive plot just because he's rich and Jewish, but you don't seem to have a problem with another rich, old man (named Trump) actively trying to subvert democracy, just because he's Christian. You make me sick.

[@Calum_S]

With pro-independence figures like that I'd expect Wales to be offered a referendum before Scotland does - no government will offer a referendum unless they expect to win.

[@slayersam1]

I'd like to thank you so much for making this, I am from Wales and currently doing my MBA in which i will actually cover the potential economic implications of a Welsh independence. So this has given a lot of food for thought for when it comes to writing up my literature review.

[@2hotdogify]

Can I read it when your done??

[@RainbowMuse2]

A Welsh version of Braveheart? With Llywelyn? YES PLEASE.

[@DarkApostleNoek]

You do know the Scottish didn't gain independence in Braveheart.

[@Baloooooooze]

@@DarkApostleNoek william wallace means william the welshman a'ite !!!

[@Baloooooooze]

Arthur, The War King is far more apt !!!

[@DarkApostleNoek]

@@Baloooooooze still doesn't change the fact he wasn't the one who gave them Scottish independence. It should be Welsh Outlaw King.

[@Baloooooooze]

@@DarkApostleNoek indeed, agree with you there...

[@samwebb5648]

The Disunited Kingdom here we come- but at least we'll finally have our own sovereignty and freedom! Freedom to run and operate our own realm- from the dump that is Blackpool to the dump that is Birmingham, and excluding Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and London who all left, we're free to do as we wish! Finally. It only took 5 years.

[@samwebb5648]

@Bapple ... If you couldn't tell that what I was writing was sarcastic or satirical then I'm sorry to say it was.

[@samwebb5648]

@Bapple Fair enough to be honest.

[@benknights286]

@Bapple lol... like most on this you spouted your opinion before understanding or reading the original comment. try harder.. Assumptions make an ass of ........

[@samwebb5648]

@@benknights286 No need for that mate, honest mistake on their part.

[@samwebb5648]

@Hauke Holst Doesn't quite roll off the tongue but I like it.

[@pepevinkin3020]

5:34 " Scotland only got a referendum in 2014 after the SNP won an outright majority in the Scottish Assembly in 2017" this sounds wrong. The events in 2017 cannot be a factor influencing a referendum that took place three years earlier...

[@rebeccamann5617]

Yes it did, the better together campaign promised if we stayed in the union we would still be in the EU, now do you get why the majority of Scotland voted to stay in the EU? Rather laughable the conservatives made the same promise they broke years later, guess the joke is on us Scots the mugs who should have left the union when we could

[@danielfield2570]

@@rebeccamann5617 they couldn’t exactly ignore the referendum, we live in a democracy.

[@ricardoabh3242]

That’s crazy double the support in a short time is impressive.

[@jproud6]

Last couple of polls have shown it's around 39% now!

[@DrGenesis]

The National Assembly for Wales rebranded to Senedd Cymru (Welsh Parliament) earlier this year, so its no longer referred to as the Welsh Assembly.

[@Carolus_Tsang]

If Scotland and Wales both leave the Union there's utterly no point for the Northern Irish to remain. Mind as well leave together if they're going to be leaving.

[@mk1st]

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

[@lebens3585]

Cool. Have you found that on Facebook?

[@dexstewart2450]

@@lebens3585 Someone confusing independence with a misconstruction of Licence meaning Freedom...and used a line from a Janis Joplin song - Janis being a junkie piss-head

[@saulbeck3398]

No mention of YesCymru?

[@onlinealiasuk]

shouldn't that be Ie Cymru?

[@tacticalidiots2340]

@@onlinealiasuk what... He is mentioning an independence movement

[@onlinealiasuk]

@@tacticalidiots2340 I was amused by the name of a welsh independence movement that had a half English half welsh name. Google tells me that yes is ie in welsh

[@rjfaber1991]

@@onlinealiasuk Yes, but English is the majority language in Wales. Sure, they could go down the route of Ireland where English is spoken by the majority but all official institutions have a name in Irish Gaelic, but that's not a requirement...

[@dancaddell6742]

@@rjfaber1991 It is indeed very much a requirement, and has been for a considerable period of time now. Both the Welsh Language Act 1993 and the Welsh Language (Wales) Measure 2011 make Welsh an official language within Wales, on equal footing with English (i.e. both English and Welsh have full official status in Wales).

[@VanguardRaven]

The United Kingdom of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has a nice ring to it.

[@kerriekupar6466]

*Sad England noises*

[@a1990hussain]

Especially as they don't have a monarchy haha

[@ansfriedjanssens7623]

The celtic union!!!!!!!!!!

[@y0uCantHandle]

Easier to say The Not England Kingdom.

[@vatnidd]

Englan't

[@olajong2315]

If London goes independent, everything would be fine

[@nunyabeeswax7111]

"Vote Leave!" "Take back control over your country!" "Restore souverenity!"

[@madgoat2692]

And become irrelevant

[@connor735]

@@madgoat2692 is that an issue popularity doesn't matter are you a teenager lmao 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@jonethomas3892]

Get educated first before say this bud.

[@ceriandavies9218]

Why was YesCymru not cited in this? And particularly their impressive boom in memberships in the past couple of months

[@1234saunds]

17,000 odd out of 3.1 million is nothing. YesCymru are deluded if they think independence will benefit Wales.

[@jproud6]

@@1234saunds The only political organisation in Wales with more members is the Labour party so I wouldn't say it's "nothing"

[@1234saunds]

@@jproud6 YesCymru can't even promise the electorate a referendum, that's why I also say they're nothing.

[@jproud6]

@@1234saunds Yeah but the YesCymru organisation is one of the reasons why support for Indy is increasing and will no doubt be a reason why many people in Wales will vote for Pro-Indy parties in the Senedd election

[@jproud6]

@@1234saunds I’m not saying independence is a majority view. It’s clearly not but I’m saying that the growth in membership in YesCymru does actually mean something. And Wales would survive independently just like every other country of similar size such as Ireland, New Zealand, Estonia and many others

[@collerz]

Devolution won't have broken the union, it would've been broken before, it's just now people have the ability to make their opinion heard

[@EmperorEdselstein]

Kick England out and make a Celtic Union with Ireland and Scotland!

[@MrSD-YO]

The problem with this video is that you missed a very key element. It was a Fact that Wales also voted to leave the EU and how that was not mentioned but you mention Wales could be tempted to join the EU if Scotland does is beyond me...

[@NLTops]

With a margin of less than 70.000 votes. Have you considered the possibility that the clusterfuck of the past 4 years has changed some peoples minds? If people were happy with the government's policies over the past 4 years and future prospects, one would expect a decrease in support for independence.

[@MrSD-YO]

@@NLTops I'm pretty sure the Torries did better in Wales than expected and that was on a manifesto of leaving the EU.... Your going off a opinion, what i said was a fact and it should have been mentioned in the video..

[@NLTops]

@@MrSD-YO Alway funny how easily people claim to be speaking "facts". Your views are just as much opinionated conjecture as mine. The only difference is I'll gladly admit my statements are, whilst you try to claim to be speaking from a position of authority.

[@MrSD-YO]

@@NLTops What you talking about? It was fact that Wales voted to leave and also a Fact that the Torries got more seats in Wales than in history. If I am wrong, please tell me how.... your opinion was that people might have changed there minds over the last 4 years.... No need to strawman me, I never said or claimed to have authority 🙄

[@NLTops]

@@MrSD-YO It is also a fact that support for independence is higher now than 4 years ago. But any projections based off of any of those 3 facts is still pure conjecture. Claiming that your conjecture is fact IS an arguement from authority fallacy.

[@ClwydEnComu]

There are a LOT of errors and inaccuracies in this video. - Most glaringly @ 5:37. Scotland has a Parliament, not an Assembly; the referendum was in 2014, so how could getting a majority in parliament in 2017 contribute to that?; there was no Scottish Parliamentary election in 2017, and the 2017 general election was for the UK House of Commons. And the voting system is ADDITIONAL Member System, not Alternative Member System. This section is all over the place. - Jeremy Miles is an MS (Member of the Senedd) and Welsh Government minister, not an MP. - Scottish support for independence has DEMONSTRABLY not been at "around 40% since 1998" - and support for Welsh independence is now at levels seen in Scotland just prior to the referendum. - When you say you find it hard to see this surge in nationalism converging into a major political movement, I don't understand. Have you not seen YesCymru? YesCymru is now the largest political movement in Wales, second only to the Labour Party, and the work of YesCymru has PUSHED this surge, not the other way around. - You also need to make a distinction between nationalism and independence - if you believe in organising states around nations, you're a nationalist (Welsh nationalists want a Welsh state, British nationalists want a British state). Nationalism has been interminably strong in Wales throughout modern history, but it has expressed itself in British nationalism, mostly. - It is very difficult to see Plaid Cymru winning a majority, however what you've omitted is the quickly growing support for independence in Welsh Labour - with a poll suggesting 51% of Labour voters in Wales would support independence. - Again, the election in 2021 is to the Welsh Parliament (Senedd Cymru), not the Welsh Assembly (that no longer exists). These are really silly and kind of fundamental mistakes to make - come on. Glad you're paying attention to us, but please do so with accuracy.

[@BenGwalchmai]

hear hear. Though it is good to see that you included a poll where 51% of Welsh Labour voters support independence, the situation is very complex and needs specific terminology. Calling the Senedd 'the Assembly' is incorrect and it's really important to get that right - please do call it the Welsh Parliament. I think I know some A Level Government & Politics students who will be tutting at bits of this video. 😅

[@Sparx632]

He did make a lot of those mistakes but he said Scottish independent support has never been “lower” than 40% not that it’s been around there and I think he mentioned that around 51% of Welsh Labour supporters are pro-independent too.

[@Felishamois]

don't mind me, just helping this food for thought go up in the comments

[@ClwydEnComu]

@@Sparx632 it was always lower than 40% until 2013?

[@Sparx632]

@@ClwydEnComu Was it? Oh well, never said he was right just that you called him out for the wrong thing

[@alexopinionchannel9783]

I’m a supporter of a uk break up, I’m English and want England to be its own independent country. As it’s Westminster that is the problem and it’s the structure around it. What must happen for England to come out of its current issues is: Scrap the House of Lords and the old British parliament in favour of an English parliament that has PR voting system, an elected second chamber, make campaign donations illegal and make them publicly funded in full, make all English elected officials divest their business interests aswell as their spouses and block all elected officials from becoming lobbyists. As well as English devolution to English regions and have an English constitution to insure if a part of England wants to leave there is a route to self determination and make England a republic. What are your thoughts

[@Ukfairgrounds]

What about the Union Jack 🇬🇧 we have been flying that forever it’s a iconic part of our country

[@onlinedivorcescotland6493]

You made a mistake. It’s the Scottish Parliament, not Assembly.

[@DaxRaider]

it'd be more efficient to expel England from the Union, rather than have the other members leave.

[@thesagebrushkid1]

Y’know when I chat about this with my English friends, a couple of lines always come out: “You get too much money for what you put in” and “Since the coal’s gone you’re only good for tourism and agriculture.” And my personal favourite; “You’re not a real country anyway.” England doesn’t take Wales seriously. This becomes more evident as time goes on, I’m always seeing English publications like the telegraph asking “should we just abolish welsh language” or how we should be grateful for all England’s done. Also I’m still pissed that the tories denied the tidal barrage and electrified railways in Wales. No surprise that numbers for independence are growing. Things like this bit of brexit show that Wales is just a second thought. Bring on the revolution and the Celtic union!!!

[@davidjones272]

Wales has never voted for a tory government, yet we've been cursed by them decade after decade.

[@taffyman6089]

Yes, a Celtic Union/Federation has crossed my mind.

[@Baloooooooze]

not celts !!!

[@danielfield2570]

Tories Cancelled electrification in the north or England too, it’s not just the welsh the fuck over. All they care about is London and the SE cos that’s where the voting base is.

[@cymruambyth1985]

As a Welshman I hate how westmonster tells Wales what to do with it's own railways and also the police and justice system, Wales should be in control of ALL matters that concern it

[@TenOrbital]

Celtic Confederation please.

[@physiocrat7143]

How does that work?

[@royalzak2670]

Based and Celt pilled.

[@Armadeus]

celtic council, kinda like how scandinavia (and some other countries) have their fancy nordic council

[@DarkFire515]

Excellent idea. The nordic model would work well, as would some sort of federal system.

[@cosmarchy-4918]

I was born in Wales and I see myself as British. I saw myself as a citizen of the EU as well. It terrifies me that people will try to take being British from me as well.

[@tacticalidiots2340]

You don't need to be ruled from Westminster to call yourself British. Regardless of where sovereignty lies, everyone on the British Isles is British.

[@cosmarchy-4918]

@@tacticalidiots2340 you know what I mean. I see my history and culture as from the United Kingdom as a whole. I'm not some oppressed group ruled by a foriegn power. I'm part of it equally.

[@cosmarchy-4918]

@Hauke Holst thanks for trying to reassure me. Hopefully things stay as they are

[@BenMcManus]

@@cosmarchy-4918 well they don't really treat us (Wales) as equals in Westminster, do they? We're an after thought if we're even thought about at all.

[@rogerdavies8586]

You'd still be British.

[@pepperswan]

Annibyniaeth i gymru! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@superboygamer4034]

@ss ss ac hefyd iaith cymru yn Cael ei siarad ym mhob le

[@jacobparry177]

Annibyniaeth sydd yn galw am ei dewraf dyn~

[@lebens3585]

Welsh looks cool.

[@superboygamer4034]

@@lebens3585 yes, yes it is You should learn it

[@teiloturner5374]

@@superboygamer4034 ti eisiau rowndio fyny'r pobl sy ddim yn siarad y iaith neu rhywbeth?

[@YDdraigGoch43]

Annibyniaeth a llywodraeth sosialaidd Cymru!!

[@ietomos7634]

Darllena fyny ar hanes socialism.

[@Afon94]

Up the F.W.A!

[@maecawsynblasunneis7751]

@@jasser1918 iaith y dduwiau

[@skinnylozano9707]

Bore da❗

[@LANSl0t]

@@jasser1918 Cyrmraeg aka Welsh

[@MaZe741]

3:48 is a factor of 1.8 period, not 1.8 "percent", that makes no sense

[@liamanderson6424]

or increase of 80%

[@mimistar1427]

So you're telling me that the same Welsh people, who voted 52.5% to leave the EU, are more willing to be an independent country if they are able to rejoin the EU? You can't make this stuff up 🙃😂🤣

[@garymwilliams1]

The truth is that we live in an interdependent world, where we sign trade deals with other countries which places obligations on us and which has dispute regulation mechanisms. We trade sovereignty for benefits. The new UK-Japan trade deal that Liz Truss was so pleased about imposes stricter obligations on us regards state aid than the EU did. If we were to get a trade deal with the US, they would have their own T&Cs they would insist on and we would trade sovereignty to get a deal. I would be comfortable trading some of Wales' soverignty as an independent nation to be part of the largest, most successful single market in the world.

[@rossglory4631]

many people have learned who brexit cheerleaders are and what brexit really stands for. you may no be one of them.

[@geraintcampbell9765]

The worst part of this is everyone is complaining about England in English.

[@danielstephens4035]

Annibyneaeth Cymru! Cymru am Byth! Coffiwch Dryweryn! Independence Wales! Wales is Great! Remember Dryweryn!

[@fergfighter]

Sincerely hope one or both gain their independence. As an Englishman who has had nothing but tory leadership since I was of voting age, and one that has strong familial ties to Wales and Scotland, this might spell an escape for me and a return to being an EU citizen. I also love haggis and deep-fried mars bars :)

[@wodens-hitman1552]

Since when is callum ferguson an English name you muppet

[@jamesmiller9363]

just dont get the molten caramel on your lip its the equivalent of napalm haha

[@jamesmiller9363]

@@wodens-hitman1552 i know polish called callum so stfu haha

[@fergfighter]

@@wodens-hitman1552 I never said it was. It's a Scottish name. Like I said, I have familial ties, my grandparents were Scottish - I happen to be English. Shocking news I know but I have a friend called Sandeep, it's not an English name, it's Indian, but he is in fact English would you believe? Maybe brush up on your comprehensive skills before being unsolicitedly rude

[@j.l.boekestein3201]

Just for the fun of it: Well, maybe after North Ireland and Scotland have left, the English will declare indepence from the UK and rejoin the EU, leaving Wales to be the UK... ;)

[@superboygamer4034]

Wait if we all bolcanize would that mean we can all join seperatly

[@MinecraftMasterNo1]

The Welsh economy is literally subsidized by England. If Wales were to leave, things would go down hill very quickly.

[@andrescneira1568]

Yes, I agree: We need a welsh version on braveheart

[@bethdavis1812]

William Wallace family were from wales so yeah makes sence

[@CornG4397]

@@bethdavis1812 No his family fought in putting down Welsh rebellions under Edward the 1st lol

[@bethdavis1812]

@@CornG4397 you can laugh all you like " wallace" translated means welshman, come back once you have done some research his family were originally from the welsh marshes 😂😂😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@ayelads]

Oh wales, always fails

[@buhlesolomon3741]

I would like to ask, why would independence go up if Wales could rejoin the EU? Wales voted to leave in 2016. Have the Welsh had a change in heart? Or are leave voters already highly over-represented in Welsh independence calls already?

[@stephenjones1380]

Do these polls represent the views of the Welsh alone, or do they include the many English that live in Wales, and who generally are unionist? I'd love to see the results of a pure Welsh poll.

[@jerrybarnes6611]

Yes my question too. He starts off by saying "the Welsh people". He probably just means the people currently living in Wales rather than people born in Wales or who consider themselves Welsh

[@hayleyjones3809]

I'd like to know this too, especially since reports show is was English people living in Wales that swung the leave vote.

[@lostcarpark]

Will you do one on Cornish independence?

[@Gog1964]

We're leaving,its just a matter of when!

[@srenholmer7727]

Dear @TLDR News, I can't seem to find your podcast regarding the collapse of the United Kingdom, where is it available?

[@captainclarky5352]

National self-determination is a right! Independence for the Celtic nations!

[@wearsideexile6616]

The hilarious thing is that recent studies of genetics show that there is no such thing as a shared Celtic ethnic group. The Welsh and Scottish are as distantly related as they are to the English. 🤣 The English are a largely homogeneous people, with a massive slice of Anglo-Saxon DNA. 😎

[@captainclarky5352]

@@wearsideexile6616 Ethnic Celts used to live all over western Europe, including in England. The invasion of the Angles into England explains its largely Germanic ancestry. All of this is quite irrelevant, though, because nations are a cultural construct not one based on genes

[@Bubblybrunnettebeth]

WELSH PARLIAMENT AND SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT - We are not assemblies anymore! Informative but you need to be aware that is all. Thanks again the videos are great.

[@hunterthompson4777]

Thank you for pronouncing Plaid Cymru correctly! 🙌🏻

[@FacheChanteDeux]

I never knew that Wales could leave. Well they are pretty impoverished so they probably would do better as an independent state. Watch the Scots, Irish and Welsh become one nation in the EU system! The United Celtic Republic.

[@aperson22222]

Even if Plaid took a majority in the Welsh Assembly they likely still wouldn’t get a referendum. The SNP got theirs because it was Cameron’s preferred tactic for nipping emerging threats to his government in the bud. In 2011 the AV referendum allowed him to deny that the 2010 Lib Dem manifesto had any real mandate, and Clegg became a far more tractable junior coalition partner than he would have been otherwise. The 2014 Indy ref was likewise about proving to Salmond that the voters weren’t really buying what he was selling. Cameron tried the same tactic to see off Farage in 2016, but of course it backfired horrifically. I should think his successors will be much more hesitant to follow that lead moving forward.

[@tomosprice8136]

But Wales can argue that we've never had a referendum on this, so a Plaid majority could he seen to be a mandate. Boris' main argument against a referendum in Scotland is that they had one 6 years ago, he can't use that argument here. I don't think he would allow a referendum, but there would be fewer arguments against having one in Wales than in Scotland should Plaid win a majority in the Senedd

[@aperson22222]

@@tomosprice8136 It's still up to him whether or not a referendum happens, though. Fewer arguments just means he needs to come right out and say "You're not having one because I don't want to give you one" instead of pretending there's some higher principle at play.

[@tomosprice8136]

@@aperson22222 aye, it just makes it slightly harder for him to justify in Wales than in Scotland

[@kylehardman9135]

adam price is from near me ex army ex paramedic massive respect will always have my vote

[@gillesmeura3416]

There is one additional factor, that may play a significant role in the level of support for Welsh independence : the actual effects of Brexit, that will begin to take effect in early 2021. If we assume that there would be substantial negative effects from Brexit (supply, travel, economic impacts...), then I think it is reasonable to expect a rise in the popularity of independence. It may be minimal, or it could be a real game-changer...

[@konradbrakhage8244]

Where did podcast episode go? I can't find it.

[@TheScruph]

As an Englishman I want a vote for England’s independence from Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Cornwall.

[@yungstallion2201]

Cornwall doesn’t have a culture anymore, unlike in Wales the English destroyed Cornwalls culture

[@rhianwenj7597]

As a Welshwoman yes I agree. I lived in England for 30 years. And I've lived in Scotland nearly a year. Let the Celtic nations rise. Iechyd da pob Cymro, ac ati. 😉

[@yoann5934]

Then Cornwall could unite with Brittany once it's get independent from France, in 2532.

[@hobbabobba7912]

@@yungstallion2201 I think the term is assimilated.

[@TheScruph]

@@yungstallion2201 and paid for everything

[@Musikur]

congratulations on pronouncing Plaid Cymru correctly!

[@danielwebb4713]

Regardless of economic and political reasons, I would be really sad to see Wales leave the union. I hope they stay.

[@superboygamer4034]

Gib money We stay

[@samuraijosh1595]

But, they feel much much sadder if they continue to stay. I hope they decide what makes them happy and implement it.

[@ayelads]

leaving England*

[@callummarsden182]

Wales is my favourite holiday destination and I'd love to live there one day.

[@stevemiceter07]

Why didn't you mention that Wales voted to leave the European Union???????????

[@yungstallion2201]

Polling suggests they changed their mind because of misinformation spread

[@ElectrifiedLex]

Also when are you going to release a Wales only pin badge?

[@GeoffreyHellington]

When he stops being an English nationalist 🙄

[@helloim3j]

@Jonzy 1987 Wrong. Nationalism is trying to snuff out capitalism and self-determination movements to cling to power and subjugate the minority. Globalism (a.k.a global capitalism) is allowing self-determination movements to strengthen, politically freeing minorities while preserving their economic freedoms through access to the single global market.

[@andrewriley4735]

Could you do a video on the conditions required for an Irish border poll and reruns thereof and compare with the situations in Scotland, Wales and maybe a further afield look? Catalan, Puerto Rico, California??

[@jasonjasonjason564]

Love how an Englishmen compares the desire for independence in Scotland versus Wales and fails to mention that the Welsh were conquered whereas the Scots united the kingdoms (even if subsequently may have cooled on that decision). Regardless of views of that it is a significant historical difference and probably a lot to do with the polling. Different legal system. Historical affinity for Europe and against England...

[@MrKevstocks]

Massive difference to Wales and Scotland is probably the majority of English born residents in living and working in Wales and the higher Welsh land population working over the border in England and vice versa...in a dream world bi would love an independent Wales...but I would also love to be slim, full of muscles and capable of making cream cakes appear from thin air lol

[@ThatsMe1010]

What's English born got to do with it?

[@MrKevstocks]

@@ThatsMe1010 as in born in England and traveling to Wales or born in Wales and traveling to England rather than just buying a house or renting... essentially more mixing of nationalities than the number of Scots and English

[@alynwillams4297]

If Scotland leave then Wales will be close behind. It’s inevitable.

[@MrKevstocks]

@@alynwillams4297 if there was a better government in power which respected the devolved nations I doubt that many would push for it

[@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4]

If the breakup happens, I wouldn't be surprised. Like watching a very messy relationship doing its own thing

[@hobbabobba7912]

Can I just say I really enjoyed the podcast you took down, is there a specific reason that you took it down besides negative reception?

[@danishzuhairi338]

cool topic

[@vladwei2753]

What's the point of calling it TLDR and parenting that you deliver quick news when you self promote for a quarter of the time? I might as well watch traditional news.

[@Anankin12]

To be fair, the shorter the video the longer the % of it dedicated to self promotion if we assume constant promotion length

[@ben_young]

Instead of calling them Scottish and Welsh Assemblies, the correct terms are the Scottish Parliament and Senedd Cymru. They are not called Assemblies anymore.

[@frankmcnally5993]

Senedd Cymru is the Welsh Assembly and Holyrood is the Scottish Parliament.

[@ben_young]

@@frankmcnally5993 *Welsh Parliament you mean? It’s not called an assembly anymore, in English or Welsh.

[@fabio.1]

Unfortunately, it's very unlikely any time soon

[@dieonlego3515]

Now its higher

[@AnonYmous-lk9qy]

As an anarchist, I’m glad, as an Englishman I’m sad, as a Brit I’m mad.

[@sjeskey8361]

Celtic Union rise up!

[@rmdodsonbills]

"A Welsh version of 'Braveheart'" LOL

[@joshsaunders6962]

where is the podcast for the collapse of the uk? is it in apple or spotify

[@getnohappy]

Could TLDR do a video on whether the EU would accept Wales? The way I see it: - Countries like Spain would be in no hurry to offer membership to breakaway regions (this came up in the Scottish ref) - Would the EU want/need another small weak country that would be a net recipient of the EU budget (not being antagonistic to Wales, just stating a fact)? Equally, the UK was a rule maker in the EU, Wales would not be. So a return to the EU would not be a return to normal (as it were).

[@WightKnight]

I'm excited to see Boris Johnson being remembered as the Prime Minister who lost the Union

[@alanmarr3323]

Eventuually Wales will find life outside the EU so much worse this will drive Welsh independance!

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

They voted Brexit too

[@alexpotts6520]

So my current take is that Wales is not likely to leave the union, but then I would once have said the same about Scotland. Politically, at least for the moment, Wales is behaving like England. It voted for Brexit, and returned a post-war record 14 Tory MPs at the last election. If Plaid Cymru wins next year's devolved election - and I don't think they will - I might have to reconsider. (Just as the SNP's 2007 win was a tipping point for Scottish politics.) But for the moment, it's off the table.

[@rogerdavies8586]

I don't think it's going to happen soon but it's amazing we're even seriously discussing balkanization in the UK. It would have once seemed a pipe dream. Wales voted for Brexit but at a lower rate than England. I've heard it attributed to the large numbers of English retirees who allegedly swung the vote for leave. The story goes that those who are culturally and linguistically Welsh were almost all for remain. How can we know this? Isn't there a secret ballot? Carole Cadwallader alleges that the Valleys, heavily reliant on European funding, voted leave 'cos they'd been bamboozled by algorithms from Putinistas. One person only who voted leave, has expressed regrets to me. He says he was duped into a fear of imaginary immigrants. We do hear more support for independence in the south, and there were marches for independence before the first lockdown. But these are early days. Who knows if it will come to anything? Marianne using Roger's computer

[@platinum_overdrive982]

I guess Wales saw that one overly sarcastic production video