Could America Really Go to War with Mexico’s Cartels?

Is military intervention against Mexican drug cartels the solution to the opioid crisis? Join us for a deep dive into this heated debate, exploring the origins, challenges, and consequences of such a move.
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[@jonmikolajewski7167]

That awkward moment when you ask two corrupt governments to go to war with themselves and they say "no" for economic reasons...

[@COD2122638]

Bingo

[@nobodynever7884]

Until they have a eureka moment and say: wait a minute, we could steal more by going to war.

[@munkeyinspace5331]

Seriously. The Mexican govt won’t agree because they’ve been made rich by the cartel. Now they’re people are fleeing to our borders by the droves and their very own govt. is watching it happen… truly sad and makes me lose hope for humanity

[@5phany5]

Mexico has lithium.... the usa would really benefit from that.

[@Mrfallouthero]

​@@5phany5ya but USA already has one of the biggest lithium deposits in the world

[@dodoubleg2356]

I’m a recovering addict. I used heroin (& other narcotics) for nearly 20yrs & never overdosed. I used fentanyl ONCE, & was clinically dead for 13 minutes…Despite the U.S. having the absolute ability to wipe out the CURRENT cartels via the military, AS LONG AS THERE’S DEMAND, there will always be supply.

[@Comm0ut]

The US does not have that ability so the point is moot. Only the grossly militarily illiterate would imagine it does.

[@dodoubleg2356]

@@Comm0ut So I’m “grossly militarily illiterate” then?? Were you ever in the military?? Because you’re talking to someone who was. Trust me, we have the ability.

[@xenshe4448]

@@dodoubleg2356the United States has lost major wars against farmers and live stock herders what makes you think that the army would be able to defeat another unconventional enemy?

[@TheHeston83]

the Iraq War wasn't a success we destabilized Iraq and lost the Vietnam war

[@ez_company9325]

I hate to tell you people.... its actually a lot easier to defeat these big bad insurgents than you might think. Its not simply not as viable as it once was thanks to things like science and modern media. Without spelling out the actual honest but horribly brutal solution.... Just consider this.... do you think people like Ghengis Khan ever had to deal with insurgencies? no? wonder how he did that? To squash or prevent an insurgency..... the enemy must be made aware of a level of consequences that makes it the worst idea possible to perpetrate attacks while hiding among the population. And then, you simply must be willing and able to perform such a terrible deed. Other wise, you simply dont bother with occupying another nations land in the first place.

[@jmurphy6767]

The biggest problem is we live in a world where people, especially Americans, are easily sold on simple solutions.

[@nickweber1388]

what would a better solution be?

[@miguelquintero8866]

So cartels move up here there hq are in Mexico what els would we do they are actively doing the worst and for 20 years we seen Mexico State try and fail against the cartels so what we do

[@claytonwade3570]

@@nickweber1388 take the cartel out and dont be a dumb american like 95% of americans are

[@steveTGO]

Simon, the problem you are having with providing an accurate analysis on the complex topic of the U.S. military intervention to defeat the cartels in Mexico is the thousands of miles of ocean that separates YOU from OUR reality!!! Literally, the only way for us to successfully eliminate the cartels from Mexico would be to invade without providing ANY notice what so ever to the paid off corrupt Mexican Government!!! If we were to provide the senior Mexican Officials with information outlining our strategies, they would be furnished to the cartels within the hour. The line between the cartels and the Mexican Government gets extremely blurry. I think you are also rather confused with the type of trade that is exchanged between the U.S. and Mexico. The U.S. primarily receives Mexican labor, which produces imports from domestic corporations. The U.S. could occupy Mexico for as long as it takes in order to make them a more productive and reliable resource!!!!

[@kellydriskill7197]

Roberto Calderon fought for close to a decade and was making a dent. Unfortunately with Obrador it appears cartel money has found its way back into politics.

[@kepe9531]

As a Mexican who’s lived almost his entire life in the US and earned a masters in public policy, the US must prioritize the demand, the dirty money the cartels have in US accounts, and especially tackle arms trafficking from the US to Mexico. Mexico must also prioritize the corruption that helps the cartels proliferate and debilitate state capture, forced recruitment, poverty, lack of opportunities, and strengthen rule of law. It is a bilateral issue that BOTH countries must assume their own responsibilities that would require bilateral cooperation and other holistic solutions rather than ideas with results that literally blow up for political gain

[@donmamon9263]

Hi, any reading recommendations that backs what you’re saying? I’m also a Mexican living in the US, I don’t know anything about this issue, though I’d like to know. Thanks

[@kellydriskill7197]

There us no chance for bilateral cooperation unless it it bilateral military cooperation. Weve been through this with Columbia already. You all have not. We know what works. The stubborn hard headed attitude of asserting sovereignty while the mexican people muder and poison millions of Americans is not going to work. They simply must be willing to bitr the hand that feeds them quite frankly, or we will bite it for them. Theyre also peddling their poison in canada. I dare say that the synthetic drugs are at least 50% of the problem, they are causing the deaths. The brutal savagery inside mexico itself is another 25% of the problem. The last 25% is the indemic corruption at every level of mexican government. Sure most are forced in on pain of death but if that is true and they are really hostages of the cartels due to their savagery and brutality, why do they constantly downplay the idea of a CAPABLE military force striking at their captors DIRECTLY HMM? Maybe because they have stockholm syndrome hmm? Or just maybe they are greedy human beings that are not hostages at all but willing participants.

[@kellydriskill7197]

​@@donmamon9263are you serious? Youre mexican and dont know anything about this issue huh? You dont see the pictures of dismbered bodies being dumped on public streets? You never heard aboyt the grenades being tossed into casinos murdering innocent people? The stories of innocent migrants kidnapped and forced to fight to the death with melee weapons for their very lives and the winner getting to spend the rest of his soulless days carrying out cartel assassinations...well ill be damned, doesnt that just beat all? How old are you? If what you say is true you must be 18 or younger, and from around mexico city, cause the entire rest of your country is in the complete grasp of savage drug cartels that murder and intimidate with impunity.

[@ALCRAN2010]

Sorry amigo, but the only way to actually solve this is for Americans to halt the consumption of illicit drugs. Drugs won the war on drugs. So a war on cartels will also fail. When USA enacted prohibition, the Mexican border town was born. Same thing.

[@RPBolfork]

I am from Mexico, born and raised, live here and all. It's evident and obvious the government is complicit of cartels and so is the US government. There's just too much money on the table. If Mexico's government wanted to they could crack down the cartels in less than a month.

[@azwashman]

The CIA would be the government agency. Their way of funding their own subversive budget so they do not need to answer to congress for funding. To fund certain projects or payoffs not wanting to be explain to any politician. ALLEGEDLY!!! 😅

[@SouthsidePrinceOfficial]

Exactly that’s the problem💀

[@shimadwan8251]

Just Invade Mexico...problem solved

[@westrim]

I wish the world was as simple as you think it is.

[@williamnunley3493]

​@@westrimYea bless his heart smh

[@jeffreyscott5799]

Most people don’t realize that lots of Cartel members were trained by our military. I had a couple of them in my basic training platoon

[@thetruthhurts131]

Doesn't matter. They will get wiped out.

[@Capnobvious]

@@thetruthhurts131agreed! Just because they’re trained by us doesn’t mean they have the hardware to match. It’s hard to have big balls when your holding a grenade and we’re rolling up in an Abraham’s tank! With reaper drones and Apache helicopters giving air support. The complexity will and would be keeping civilians safe, there’s a scene in secario when two choppers fly onto a small convoy of heavily armed fellows and we’ll…. That scene lasted all but a few seconds being out gunned

[@anthonyjones8043]

​@@Capnobviouspeople just don't understand that the big army doesn't have to be involved. Sharing a border means that cross border operations would be child's play for green berets, seals and delta. It also means that you could just have reaper drones loitering in the air decimating cartel convoys, training camps and remote drug labs. Then deploy the national guard to secure the land border and the navy to prevent cartel subs and boats passing through with drugs. Though this aspect would be alot more difficult as they usually use shell companies or bribe there way onto otherwise legitimate cargo vessels.

[@user-ux3qu7mr2m]

Even less of you realize the cartels is watching this. "I thought we were friends" lol

[@user-ux3qu7mr2m]

​@@Capnobvious "Its hard to have big balls" Yeah thats why you are over powered to begin with. No balls. Also, you went against guys in rags on motorcycles and still lost. Get real dude.

[@AwokenEntertainment]

Too much money involved for them to start a war..

[@nealamesbury7953]

Yes, its all corrupt.

[@nathangallegos9304]

Send John wick and let’s see if their empire still standing

[@evanguillen6805]

What money? 😂😂 what we have gave to Ukraine $100 billion is less than what they make in a year. Chapo wasn’t even worth much

[@freethinker3716]

Gay ahh government. Operation fast and furious

[@user-xt5gi9nu5m]

Our country has illegal immigrants and it's own problems. United States might have a civil war or severe conflict or civil unrest and onwards all because of a weak United President.

[@Shoutinthewind]

Yeah because the American military intervention has a fantastic track record of improving bad situations… going to war with the cartels now, in a world when our relationship with Mexico has never been more important, is a patently stupid idea. Not to mention the inevitably enormous cost in human lives.

[@leonake4194]

Absolutely True. And I actually like the US, if you invade us you would literally step down from the front Sit and Let China be the new power

[@AkilesTol]

Putin suggested years ago to the president of Mexico that if he joined the BRICS he would have a nuclear shield in case the US wanted to invade them using the typical pretext of terrorists in this case drug traffickers but the president of Mexico said that for now no thanks The US government would not be such an idiot to do something like that, I think AMLO underestimated gringo stupidity

[@0.7hujhyh]

Without American intervention we would have lost every world war and then some

[@ddoppster]

Invading a neighbor who is our biggest trade partner, is a disastrous idea, nearly as bad as the last grand GOP right-wing plan to reinvent IRAQ and Afghanistan as democratic allies, while killing terrorists, and anyone who opposed us there.

[@jessicanelson8228]

Yes, mostly Mexican

[@hilaryhongkong]

Whatever it will be, destablizing Mexico is the worst the US can ever do in an attempt to "solve" any problem.

[@ZeroResurrected]

Yeah. Because Mexico right now is the perfect picture of stability

[@rodrigopineda9090]

Mexico and cartels are not the same

[@z0ro_62]

​@@ZeroResurrectedthat sounds exactly what we said about iraq and Libya then we really saw a shit show isis in Iraq and slave markets in Libya

[@MoellerMike1977]

Mexico is already destablizing into a fragile to failed nation-state.

[@greg2502]

​@@ZeroResurrectedMexico is stable and doing well.

[@cynickal]

"The single greatest challenge we face as a country" Because the root cause that drives so many people to massive self medication is a challenge Americans refuse to ever face

[@tonym6193]

The problem is prohibition itself. when you push a giant market into the hands of criminals, they have no oversight or regulations onto what they produce. Fentanyl overdose is a byproduct of prohibition. There’s a reason you never hear of someone drinking a fentanyl contaminated beer- theyre produced in a factory with strict regulations. Legalize and regulate all drugs and the cartels will be irreparably crippled. That makes it easier to prosecute them as they run out of bribe money

[@pmarreck]

@@tonym6193 Correct. And there would be plenty less bloodshed as well.

[@kloschuessel773]

What challenge is that? The fact that people used to be off far worse but didnt do drugs has eluded you? With guns they say ban the guns. With drugs that actually arent easy to stop using when you did it them once its easily solved by welfare? Completely looney

[@mattbsea]

Finally someone with the right answer. We already have a model for economically crippling the cartels with the legalization of marijuana. It has cost them billions and dramatically reduced the cross border smuggling of the drug. The other aspect is America’s failed healthcare system. But these are difficult and nuanced solutions that don’t appeal to the conservative lizard brain that just wants to punish people and blow shit up.

[@PK-kr5bk]

@tonym6193 I’m sure Portland and San Francisco felt the same way you do. Unfortunately the reality is much much different than your vision of utopia. People act much differently than anticipated. How would you feel if your home was broken into daily? Your local store shut down because they can’t handle being robbed. Your friends murdered, you being assaulted all by people who need money for their addiction. We could always follow Singapore’s example.

[@_Chairman_Meow]

They continue to fail to realise or simply choose to ignore that you cannot stop the drug issue by attempting to combat supply alone. While the demand for drugs in the US is so insanely high and the money to made as result is so staggering there will always be someone else willing to deliver the supply

[@sabrinatscha2554]

I’m sure you have the same sentiments about the Chinese opium epidemic

[@McP1mpin]

At the same time if the price of admission goes up then less people will be willing to pay it.

[@jmurphy6767]

Nor do you solve a crime problem by stopping the drug trade. The cartels or most anyone through the chain doesn’t care about drugs. Any black market product will do.

[@jmurphy6767]

The Mexican government has long been ineffective in policing the northern states, whether it’s drugs, rebels or other issues. This has not only allowed the rise of cartels but necessitated it, just as in other poor and disconnected communities throughout the world who need some force to be in control. Geography will make it difficult for Mexico City to ever exert much control. There’s an argument that it might be easier for the US to do so. But gaining control and establishing order would be ugly, long and probably hopeless. Do we want to own this?

[@unhombrecomunymuycorriente1735]

Exactly. The drug industry is a multi-billion business. The U.S. needs to understand that, as long as its lucrative arm industry continues to unscrupulosly sell weapons to drug cartels, in the altar of profits, the problem is NOT going to end.

[@bleachie]

While watching this I kept thinking that the US government is trying to tackle the supply side instead of the demand side. Simon did mention it once in the video, but it was such a small footnote

[@user-ie4vt3tu3w]

Because that sells weapons to both sides

[@user-ie4vt3tu3w]

The USA get 1/5 of their annual deficit worth in drvg traffic "indirect" transactions

[@simioneitor1975]

I'm Mexican-American. Born and raised in Mexico City but came legally to America at a young age, since my dad's side is American. I just came back from a funeral in rural Mexico because my wife's grandpa got murdered. We were afraid for our lives because we thought someone had a hit on us. I spoke to law enforcement over there and got a sense of how thoroughly and deeply corrupt Mexico is. State/local police have assigned codes and handshake agreements with cartels and organized crime to literally let them "do their mess, but away from the population". To say that the police is a facade in Mexico is an understatement. The catholic church, cartels, the government are one and the same. Yes, every time America steps in to another country to "fix it", it's always worse. But this also begs the question: when the DUCK is Mexico going to get it's sh*t together?

[@dkupke]

It may sound crazy, but I think it may have already started. I’ve read about the cartels testing the waters on “going legit,” opening actual “real” businesses. For how corrupt she incapable the Mexican government is, the answer is most likely going to be the cartels disarming and going legit as part of a deal.

[@fattywithafirearm]

I just got back from a 2 week vacation in cancun. Almost daily i saw trucks full of police and federal soldiers in full battle gear heading somewhere. Was insane. US firearms dealers got a letter from the ATF this week telling sellers to be cautious with anybody wanting to buy a 50 cal weapon.

[@yaddar]

when the US stops demanding drugs and providing money and weapons to cartels

[@joeyindahl2593]

That’s what I’m saying. The problem will never get fixed if you just expect Mexico to fix it, corruption is way too deep

[@caballeroarepa9223]

Yeah, half of the police do deals with the cartels so they can mantain somewhat of a peace situation, as both sides are tired of fighting, but you have to remember that it's not only Mexico who is corrupt, but also the USA, as they as well are as corrupt by letting the traffickers go through the border. Not only that, but it's also a problem that can be solved. In Plan Colombia, the Colombian army was profundly corrupt and the police was scared of the cartels, with collaboration with the US the army and the police are now mostly integral.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

"See, if you look at the drug war from a purely economic point of view, the role of the government is to protect the drug cartel. That's literally true." -- Milton Friedman

[@Iskelderon]

Can't have competition to the American companies making mountainloads of money pushing opiods. 😂

[@blumhlx]

This quote has genuinely stumped me, can someone smarter than me explain the implications?

[@SonsOfLorgar]

​​@@blumhlxthe explanation is that Milton Friedman is a corporocratic economic anarchist and cult founder.

[@eniooliveira9196]

@@blumhlx The drug business is only as lucrative (and violent) as it is because of prohibition. Stop trying to protect people from themselves and most problems would be gone.

[@ladamadelarcoiris9554]

Actually, that's what I think about all of this. Sounds like they want to control a market that got away from their grasping hands. If there is no gun reform and the cost of life sucks, drugs will still be king.

[@user-sw2cp7kv1k]

Good job!

[@Bitter-Wounds]

Idk if this helps anyone, but usually my days go pretty well by NOT doing hardcore drugs

[@leonake4194]

Literally True. I live in México where the shitt Is produced and we dont have nearly as much adiction issues as the US, how Is It possible?? Well...we just dont do that much drugs. Is not like we Dont do heavy dutty work either and Dont get hurt, but we Dont get prescriptions for hard drugs to treat it

[@RifleFlow]

Correction: the choice of addicts isn't actually fentanyl (most of the time). The preference is still heroin and pharms; it's just that you can't really find regular heroin anymore. Fentanyl is much cheaper and more abundant than heroin in most places around the US. Even the "heroin" you get is almost always tainted by other things, and these days it's fentanyl. Makes sense, because it sends you into withdrawals faster meaning opiate addicts now need to use more often to stay well. It's a decent enough business decision, except when it kills everyone.

[@RyanChavez-bs1en]

Very true. Even a lot of cocaine has fentanyl in it. They add it to everything because hard opiates have some of the nastiest withdrawals of anything on earth, and they know people will do whatever it takes to buy more. There’s no such thing as a safe street drug in America anymore. If it’s not regulated, you can no longer guarantee its safety

[@willymaykit1482]

Always one idiot that thinks he's right. You are today's winner. Stfu.

[@TheAidanodian]

Here in Seattle some people just actually do fent on its own but that’s kinda rare. Usually it’s people ODing on yercs.

[@silasgreene2479]

I don't know about that man. The rehab I was at the opium addicts preferred fent, they said the heroin didn't do anything for them. Sad

[@MissionaryForMexico]

The entire purpose is to kill! You're either ignorant or brain dead!

[@imdonkeykonga]

as a Mexican i would tell you this... the only reason Cartels are unstoppable and no intervention would be ever allowed, is that Government high ranking officers... including the president are directly involved in the cartels... period.

[@abelaldama1691]

As a Mexican, I tell you that the cartels were created by the CIA, just check who managed the opium business in Afghanistan

[@scarfalchon]

Pues, Obrador hasta los llamó mequetrefes por proponerlo, obvio algo sucio anda por ahí jaja

[@richardspillers6282]

And over here in the US our leaders are just as corrupt.

[@domenico_ginny6164]

So would you support intervention or no?

[@imdonkeykonga]

@@richardspillers6282 that is true. pure nepotism.

[@dantemv1950]

The only thing that will end this problem for both countries is to follow the money.

[@saulovalleb]

The final part was definitely my favorite and I totally agree. It was an excellent analysis, especially given the future problems for our two countries if a poorly planned policy or strategy is implemented.

[@georgeneza11]

They can if stop sending guns to the cartels.

[@rollinrat4850]

As long as there's so much corruption and greed among those in power, it's an impossible battle.

[@nismokid2533]

This is a JOKE narrative. CIA is running Cartels in Mexico. If the US military goes into Mexico, it wouldn’t be because of Cartels. It would be because; • Mexico having the biggest lithium nerve in the world • Mexico having the World biggest Gold mines • Mexico having a massive petroleum reserve Trust me millions of Mexican / American like myself would get involved on the side of Mexico. If you want to solve this cartel problem get the fucking CIA out of Mexico. Viva AMLO, Viva Mexico.. American corporations are butt hurt, AMLO nationalized lithium and petroleum.

[@swarmsheppard]

We need to go after our own pharmaceutical cartels in America they fueled the opioid epidemic and the drug cartels filled the demand on the streets when the prescriptions ran out

[@benaguilar1787]

That has more or less already happened. It is much, much more difficult to get a prescription for opoids today, even in cases where they may be legitimately needed.

[@orterves]

Why would the politicians go after their donors? More likely it's the pharmaceutical companies tabling the idea of attacking the cartels

[@SonsOfLorgar]

​​@@benaguilar1787 really? Then why aren't the news headlines full of hedge fund managers, bank CEOs, Hospital CEOs, insurance company CEOs and pharmaceutical company CEOs beeing charged and convicted to centuries behind bars on RICO grounds? Why isn't the whole US health care industry seized by federal, state and local government and put under public conservatorship through criminal asset forfeiture processes? Because *THAT* is what the *minimal acceptable level* of accountability would look like.

[@PrezVeto]

​@@benaguilar1787Yes, and the government making it harder to keep getting prescription opioids lead those already addicted to turn to fentanyl.

[@JayceGee-qy4rl]

Thank you

[@ScienceFindsGod-Official]

For years I worked in construction in California, and I started asking guys from Mexico about this very idea. Everyone of them said they thought it was a great idea. Those criminal cartels are responsible for all types of atrocities. Let me point out that the average citizen in Mexico understands that key people in their government are in the cartels' pocket, so maybe it's better to access what the Mexican people want instead of what their corrupt government wants.

[@moic9704]

With the exception of desperate people and traitors Mexicans don't want American troops in Mexico.

[@prometheusadept]

Bingo

[@datguy3581]

A war below our southern border would cause instability and more danger to Americans and Mexicans

[@scottmarsh7932]

The goal must be eliminating the demand, not the supply. Very insightful video!

[@jesusyebra2093]

Don’t be dumb.

[@jesusyebra2093]

Have you tried cocaine, meth, fentanyl, or heroin? You have no say than. All that is like a virus. It’s like telling the coronavirus virus to stop. Stop being sick. Drugs are a virus and the cartels are terrorists. I will never understand the people that defend the cartels. Devil shit.

[@SickSoundingStuff]

You will never achieve that goal. We have the knowledge that you can get loaded, therefore, loaded people will always try to get.

[@allthesmallthings1041]

Good luck with that one

[@redhunnid5142]

You can’t eliminate the demand when dope is so pure you would have to taint the drugs making them so weak no one wants them

[@E1DOLHANZ]

I don't hear of a lot of people in Mexico dying from these drugs. We need to fix our culture of loneliness and spiritual emptiness if we want to fix the drug problem.

[@alreadyblack3341]

That's right. Gotta start preaching that good word. How many times have you prayed to the Omnissiah today?

[@brianloper6669]

Cant happen when people are living paycheck to paycheck. Literally made the choice tonight to do door dash instead of hanging out with a friend. While I enjoy doordash, I don’t like the feeling of having to do it to plug a hole in my budget as a full time salaried worker. And before anyone says “well switch jobs” or “switch companies,” that might work for me, but it still means someone else would be doing it. And it’d probably be someone spending a lot more money than I do. The capitalist society keeps everyone looking for a way to make a buck or steal a buck in order to survive.

[@mhm3199]

The dea is one of the biggest cartels

[@happyinparadise7812]

True. We live in the Yucatan state. Dying from drug overdose is extremely rare. Maybe one death in 5 years. Mex gas Family, God and a health-care system yhats affordable.

[@Psalm23_Javie]

they also kill farmers for their avocado farms .. should we stop eating guacamole too? Sounds like you support terrorist organizations …not to mention the sex trafficking.

[@Sosa-lw3ku]

America is a continent is not a country

[@tomcherry7029]

Well, you are close but not right. There is North America and South America . And you have the United States of America, as well as the United States of Mexico.

[@carter7944]

​@@tomcherry7029dont forget the united states of canada

[@user-sm4ie3ti8f]

Where you get your info from?

[@jfrankcarr]

Funny how all the politicians supporting this idea have heavy defense company investments and/or connections.

[@relight6931]

Yeah, really strange coincidence.. War is a racket after all. What better business then having a corporation making militery equipment, while being a war hawk in the gouverment.. I wonder how many of American billionaires, made their billions in such a way, just got enough common sense to not be visable.. What better business then having uncle Sam as your main client.

[@jakobebirds8649]

So is what you’re saying we have the best toys for destruction 🎉🎉🎉

[@holyfordus]

@@jakobebirds8649What they’re saying is that these politicians are suggesting this policy not because it will work, because they likely already know it won’t, but they’re hoping it will make their donors lots of money in the process

[@badluck5647]

Not really. Most of the blowhards who want to invade Mexico are also the same clowns who want to cut off military aid to Ukraine to give Putin, Trump's BFF, an easy path to victory. This isn't about arms sales. They simply hate 🇲🇽 and love 🇷🇺.

[@Robert_Douglass]

And what about the lives that are being lost to fentanyl in the meantime? Do we just let them die in vain because we want to bring down the military-industrial complex?

[@michaelklingenberg7872]

The amount of blackmail the cartels almost certainly have on all tiers of government would be STAGGERING 😂

[@dawdoh3226]

Most of the government are cartel members

[@M0rshu64]

As if that's going save them from getting drone striked or Seal Team Six'd.

[@shunsuiv9276]

Its quite interesting that you believe these room temp IQ criminals, who thrive on the suffering of other humans, have any mental capacity beyond: r*pe, murder, steal. You are giving these gutter trash morons far too much credit.

[@of8699]

@@M0rshu64that’s never going to happen. Unless u want Afghanistan 2.0 right next to your doorstep

[@Themanhandler228]

@@M0rshu64unless you want 9/11 2.0 improved 🤣

[@dabluflcn]

I really think changes domestically, like decriminalization and robust aid for those suffering from addiction would solve the drug problem without something absurd like an invasion of a neighbor and ally. Treat the source of the illness not the symptom.

[@pK-lm3hd]

Thank you for not making clickbait.

[@Bigglesworth_OWeezer]

Us military vs insurgents? I feel like i've heard this one before...

[@hermit-sensei6610]

No see here's the thing: US military waging war on insurgents? failure US military waging war on drugs? failure But if you do *both at the same time* the failures will cancel each other out and become a success! It's a fool-proof plan.

[@TheHeston83]

dont forgot "WMDs" lol

[@npc2153]

Bush just forgot to check under saddams matress. The nukes were there.

[@izaac1312]

@@TheHeston83Or Oil! - Which Mexico is rich in

[@dinsdalemontypiranha4349]

I seem to remember that this ended badly...

[@JuanDi_SDK]

Despite mentioning it briefly, something foreigners learning about cartels from this video will fail to grasp is just HOW DEEPLY entrenched cartels are in small communities. Mexico is essentially a mountain range with small sections for cities interspread, so many small communities are so isolated they don't receive basic services or necessities. Cartels, with their immense profits, often provide actual hummanitarian assistance to these regions. They are known to kidnap doctors, telecommunication workers, etc and have them service their communities. That's why El Chapo was so beloved by Mexicans despite the US hunting him down like their life depended on it. The poor people from these communities will not just find it "annoying" or "inconvenient" to have the US hunting down these people. They will actively resist, because to them, these people are heroes. Mexican cartels are much more beloved by their population than even the most popular mafia lords in the prohibition era, because back then mafia bosses were just celebrities, and Mexican cartels are closer to saviors for these communities than just gossip. Edit: to clarify. No, this is not the case in big cities. This applies to the poorest, most isolated regions of the country.

[@efraj5106]

What are you talking about? thats Cartel propaganda, do you really think they can just put a "starlink" HUB and thats all? they use water suply that steal, put toxin and sterilize lands, kidnapp and kill those poor guys.

[@SouthernHavoc]

I see what you’re saying but they are making their money off of selling illegal substances within a different nation that is actively trying to stop them. They are a parasite to our nation and need to go. They shouldn’t kidnap our citizens, they shouldn’t traffic our children, and they shouldn’t mess around with the largest economic and military power on the planet. I understand that those people are poor but making money via kidnapping, selling, ransoming, or killing our people and theirs as well is not the way to do it.

[@benjammin9745]

I would be too if I was destitute and forgotten.

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

The proposed “War on the Cartels” would effectively be the Vietnam War and the War on Terror except this time, it would be right on the US border. I guarantee this would be our version of the Ukraine War except against actual criminals with zero morals and very little hesitation to make every drop of blood spent double so for the US.

[@JuanDi_SDK]

​@@SouthernHavoc I never said they were good people. My comment is mean to explain a major complication that any military intervention would face. That's it. Plus, Cartels dont kidnap US citizens or traffic US children. They do that to Mexican citizens, to Mexican children. The sex trafficking of cartels is mostly kidnapping Mexican women and south american immigrants passing through Mexico. CD Juarez was the most dangerous place on Earth to be a woman at the height of the violence and it was all against latin american women, NOT US citizens. You are deeply mistaken on what cartels actually do in the US. They supply the US with drugs and that's it. All the terror and violence they keep south of the border.

[@ctrlw__7-years-ago]

2:11 vivek “rum assery”??💀😂

[@jamessilveira158]

A ridiculous idea, one that will never happen.

[@HighSpeedNoDrag]

Heard around 20 years ago about the Cartels, Latino Motorcycle Gangs and Latino Prison oriented gangs being tactically trained and heavily armed with the intent to fight the United States Armed Forces. Additionally, the Mexican Armed Forces and the People's Liberation Army could be easily added to the equation which would pose a significant and paramount threat to United States southwest and National Security as a whole.

[@AFellowCyberman]

And the US will never invade the Middle Ea- OH WAIT

[@Fontadlens8067]

​@@HighSpeedNoDrag sounds like a righ-wing wet dream

[@CassandraFortuna]

Mexican consent or no, none of this would make a damn bit of difference without a serious, sober, and fundamentally-critical look at America's healthcare and community infrastructure.

[@padraigmuldoon4266]

What are you talking about ? Commie

[@ez_company9325]

While the drug problems wouldnt go away, nothing gives mexico an excuse for this behavior. They dont get a pass simply because there is a demand, so it must be supplied! Just like its not okay to rape women for being pretty, or rob people for having something to steal, or kill someone because they are alive.

[@willjapheth23789]

​@ez_company9325 those crimes exist regardless of the supply of prettiness or random stuff to take. The drug market however absolutely follows a supply and demand market. And demand drives the worst of it.

[@christiane5984]

@@ez_company9325 Why are trying to blame an entire country of innocent people for what cartels are doing? Are you 5 years old?

[@HelloFellowHooman]

​@@ez_company9325and just cause someone has a metric fuckton of oil, doesn't mean the US should just go in guns blazing, destabilizing an entire region for shits and giggles

[@draco84oz]

I remember a particular line out of the movie Sicaro: "Until we can convince one fifth of the population to stop snorting this s**t, this is the best we can hope for." In reality, I think its a bit easier than it looks - the drug trade is a business, subject to the rules of supply and demand. You can't take away the supply, because there is so much money involved, others will always get involved to replace them. So you remove the demand. If you need help with this, ask Portugal for pointers - they managed to curb a massive drug problem in the early '00s.

[@petros8478]

if your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ

[@montypython5521]

we should just ship druggies to mexico

[@happygilmore1844]

This is a great point...i agree

[@petros8478]

If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ

[@petros8478]

If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ @@happygilmore1844

[@mnorth1351]

Simon:"Anyone embarking on even a limited military operation needs --" [ad break ] "Head, shoulders, knees, and toes!" Me: "Hmm, surprisingly, that's true!

[@Only_Trees]

Let's Go

[@GorillaCookies]

A young mother who used to hang out around a friends neighbors house was recently found deceased in a local park from a Fentanyl overdose. But apparently she wasn't a known drug user and did not die there at the park. She had been dumped there after being drugged and sexually assaulted . So someone she knew or possibly didnt know used fentanyl to render her unable to fight back when they assaulted her. And then dumped the young woman in the park and took off . Sick SOB needs to go

[@KANGZZZ.]

I did that😉

[@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj]

Why when there are so much better drugs for date rape that enable the victim to cooperate with the violator? Carfentanilo depresses respiration deeply and rapidly and is dosed in hospitals by the microgram, not the milligram.

[@GoldGamer-pl8yt]

@@KANGZZZ.got spanked “funny” guy?

[@arthurbrax6561]

Was she hot?

[@dsgdsg9764]

If you start a war in your backyard don't get mad when the enemy kicks your front door in

[@N54htmare]

Hell yea and Russia and China are Mexico’s allies as well they will def help turn this into a proxy war

[@Zeppathy]

As Russia is finding out with Ukraine. Lol.

[@kaijuroar8415]

@dirt-kw7cy If you think the world would let the US get away with doing such a thing, especially the other Latin countries who stick together, oh boy, China or Russia would love to use it as an example of American tyranny.

[@N54htmare]

@@Zeppathy you’re acting like it’s just Russia vs Ukraine it’s really Russia be NATO

[@shadowslayer9988]

​@@ZeppathyDoesn't Ukraine need another 24 billion from the United states just to support basic stuff 😂😂😂😂

[@MFAM-Joseph]

The problem is people in our government and Mexico’s government are helping and making money from the Mexican cartels so they would never do that to jeopardize their money😂

[@kitcarpo4745]

I listen to you because you are a great speaker. However the background music is not you speaking. Too distracting to watch/listen.

[@winterstorm3325]

Given the fact that Mexico is such a major trading partner, and that it may be a key centerpiece in diminishing America's reliance on Chinese goods, such an endeavor without Mexican approval could result in trade ceasing, and thus a probable economic crash.

[@caballeroarepa9223]

Exactly, and after decades of submission, Mexico doesn't want to be the USA dog, as none would.

[@PrimericanIdol]

Not to mention Mexico would certainly turncoat and turn to China and Russia running scared banging on their door the same way the Baltics ran to NATO. BEGGING to get in.

[@jl8754]

Most countries moved out of China bud. Bangladesh and Mexico and S America countries for the cheap labor. Watch some China Observer or Serpentza. Probably spelled Serpentza's channel wrong but it's a white guy from S Africa.

[@saphironkindris]

at the same time, if all those profits end up making it into the hands of the cartels, will that really be better than relying on Chinese goods?

[@blank1778]

@@jl8754read yourself instead of being "informed" just by videos. Everyone still relies on China one way or another sadly. I’m not no pro CCP bot but your comment was just an iceberg and doesn’t go deep on how we’re still intertwine with China globally (not America but a lot of our partners still import more than 50% of their goods from China) yes we are slowly detaching ourselves (Americans) but our allies aren’t and that’s what’s keeping the CCP alive, not to mention you clearly didn’t read his comment. He said if Mexico falls apart so does the economy (even global Mexico is the top 10 in terms of gpd and exports)

[@ice-xv1hi]

A war with the Mexico cartels would make Afghanistan look like a play date.

[@cameronspence4977]

No it wouldnt, what a fking joke. We would obliterate them in less than a year as long as it was joint op with the mexican military. The cartels might look super tough and badass and scary when theyre killing civilians or lightly armed police who half of which are on their payroll but youre beyond delusional if you think theres anything those disgusting animals would be able to do against stealth bombers, rangers or armor battalions blasting through their defenses like wet cardboard. Cartels have machine guns and rocket launchers and some short range manpads possibly but there is absolutely nothing that any of those can do to stop an actual military, which they have never faced before as the mexican military is a complete joke

[@RequiemJr]

We'll annihilate them. No one can compete with the US.

[@DelGTAGrndrs]

I completely disagree. The Middle East has been at war for decades. Those men are battle hardened veterans. I don’t think the cartel could put up nearly the same fight. Both the terrain and the climate make fighting in the Middle East very difficult. We have already taken Mexico City before lmao

[@tiltzzzz7770]

@@DelGTAGrndrsidk most of Mexico is mountainous regions and they are equipped with modern weapons. I mean they are literally using the same gear the US is, lmao

[@katelynhanson3324]

No way this comment isn't satire/sarcastic.

[@viva_am839]

US needs to do the following if it wants to help Mexico Investigate US politicians that are complicit with the cartels Investigate bankers that launder the drug money Its so simple...

[@bubuhotep]

I think it's safe to say this would be called a, "Special Military Operation." and not a war.

[@fernandoortiz8875]

And leave the country worse than Iraq No thank you

[@carter7944]

​@@fernandoortiz8875you dont have a choice

[@fernandoortiz8875]

@@carter7944 yes we do

[@BogWitch8440]

You don't solve drug epidemics with missile strikes on an allied nation and trade partner. Sadly, our government doesn't want to take responsibility for their own complicity in the problem and, as someone else pointed out, they refuse to address the root problem of addiction. The demand for the drugs would still exist and would be supplied by whatever syndicate was best positioned to move in - IF - the Mexican cartels could be taken out. I'm desperately hoping for cooler heads after the next election.

[@killadelphia215]

I agree with what ur saying, but especially what’s happening now with this terrible Biden adm, this epidemic has exploded since he was elected president.. and the fact that Mexican government is extremely corrupt, what other choice does the US has at this point? I would start with closing the border, finish building the wall and have the US military at the border along with border patrol agents.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

The surest, easiest, and least deadly way to eliminate the cartels, is to take away the demand for their products, and therefore eliminating their access and dominance of the black market they operate through. All it would take to accomplish this would be to decriminalize all drugs, regulate and tax them. This would take time, planning, and work, but it’s the only thing that would be capable of substantial, and meaningful success. We can’t arrest our way out of this. You can’t punish your way out of it. We can’t send in the troops to defeat it militarily either. That’s probably the most crackpot idea I’ve heard so far on how to address this issue. We can’t ignore it, and we can’t keep doing the same thing over and over while expecting to somehow, eventually, get results. It’s time to be realistic about this, and that might require some people to swallow their pride and step outside their comfort zone at times. Otherwise, quit bitching about all the drugs, and all the addicts, and the larger impact on society. It’s just empty words.

[@coldarcticoasis]

It's not about taking them out, but imposing consequences, they would think twice about investing and getting into that game if they were going to do or lose massive amounts of money.

[@baddas380]

the problem is most of the cartels get their money from the U.S. not Mexico, and the Arms they used are also American made not Mexican, the politicians of U.S. know this, but they have always used this talk to gain free votes easy as that. at the end the middle class are the ones paying for the broken dishes of the rich and poor from both countries@@coldarcticoasis

[@themexicansensation2698]

@@coldarcticoasisnah this is entirely the US fault. US has had a massive drug addiction problems since its inception and they have done nothing to solve it. Without the US drug addicts the cartels would have never been created. Simple economics: no demand = no supply = no business. Top American celebrities and politicians love their coke

[@notyourdan3388]

Remember the time the US government gave guns to the cartel? Yeah, I remember.

[@Neb_Raska]

Operation Fast & Furious I think it was? They "lost track" of the shipment.

[@createusername6421]

Pepperidge farm remembers..

[@toby7582]

Remember when taxpayer money went to fund cartel members) and protect them with lawyers) who control colleges all across the United States?

[@kevindorland738]

I do.

[@sikox209]

What saddens me is that Mexico is a resource rich nation yet there are so many living in poverty. When you’ve been living in poverty for so long and then you see these group of people spending more money than what you make in a month and these people offer you this lifestyle and it’s more compelling when you’re hungry. The cartels are aware of this and there’s a reason they are often seen buying things for kids. Not because they care but because they know that these kids will be influenced by this and they will likely be the next generation of pawns for the cartel. Now I’m not sympathizing with the cartels, I spent some time fighting the cartels until my health deteriorated and was discharged. My respect goes to anyone who can fight the good fight for long periods of time, this shit weighs on my mind heavily and was beginning to take a toll on me way before I was diagnosed with leukemia

[@alex-fx1sn]

going to war against the cartels would just give room to other organizations to take control of the industry

[@Lord_Foxy13]

A War on Drugs you say, what a novel idea... I wonder why we haven't tried that before

[@toby7582]

You say that sarcastically, but I don't remember the 90's being as bad as the 60's, 70's or our modern era in terms of drug abuse.

[@Lord_Foxy13]

@toby7582 Yeah, perhaps, but the 90s were also the start of the crack epidemic

[@toby7582]

@@Lord_Foxy13 I was talking to a guy who majored in criminal justice who said something about crack but I can't remember.

[@charlesboettcher2955]

Any chance of success against the opioid epidemic has to be a lessening of demand in the country. But investing in treatment isn't nearly as flashy or viscerally satisfying as incarcerations and blowing stuff up.

[@kaliko4036]

Or effective, you gotta want treatment for it to work

[@SouthernHavoc]

@@kaliko4036So true

[@PotatoGawds]

​@@kaliko4036 people want it but it isn't available

[@jgw9990]

​@kaliko4036 Involuntary incarceration of addicts in treatment centres would probably work for a lot of them. They lack the willpower to make the change while chemically addicted, but after being treated for a few months that might change.

[@infuriatedsloth3335]

I think what makes this issue worse is that a fentanyl overdose doesn't always come from addiction. It could be college students looking for a fun time and thinking they taking a "safe" amount of cocaine but it's really been laced with fentanyl.

[@brettbambouturton3117]

I was deeply affected by synthetic opiates because of illnesses.. Nobody was really held accountable, and back in the day people who fell into this trap were told that it was their own fault. I'm out of the fire yet still in the frying pan being on substitute meds. I really hope that the Cartels and their insidious hold upon the unfortunate people powerless over addiction, will be held totally accountable for their exploitation and abuse of the poor people.. Most Cartels have the local politicians and police in their pockets.

[@lizdierdorf]

as a Mexican living this crisis on the ground, I have a lot to say, but as a the rock band Molotov put it in their song "Frijolero": "De la droga que sembramos ustedes son consumidores." If Morris or you Simon want to know more, let me know, I will gladly help you with updates from here

[@carlodurant87]

molotov rocks. donde jugaran las ninas.

[@stevenschwartz-vf2lg]

If the United States wanted to stop the fentanyl trade, it would require a naval intervention. All commercial ships, especially Chinese fishing boats, would have to be stopped and searched for the precursor chemicals that are used to make fentanyl. And the vessels seized. This would be very unpopular. But what are the alternatives?

[@bigvinnie3]

Legalization and proper regulation. You can never stop smuggling. Saudi and Iran and countries like them kill people over drugs and that still hasn't stopped it. Not to mention I'm a grown adult how I want to poison my body is my business.

[@z0ro_62]

The issue comes from China and an American population that wants drugs instead of confront these issues or securing the border they want to opt for cocking up another country

[@JuanDi_SDK]

The only real alternative is admiting the fentanyl epidemic is a public health issue and not a military issue, and then provide copious amounts of money to fight it as such through education, healthcare and public assistance for the worst-struck communities. The drug trade is so profitable nothing will stop it except causing demand to stop. Cartels have enough money to set up their own telecom networks, extensive underground corridors for cross-border smuggling, and even for busting US prisons (remember El Chapo).

[@stinkeye460]

Unpopular with who, the democrats?

[@caballeroarepa9223]

​@@stinkeye460With all shipment companies, as searching all the ships will slow down trade and leaves room for corruption

[@perryrogers4719]

What’s taking the government so long, it’s a no brainer

[@CaseNumber00]

The thing about solving social problems, in this case drugs, its always a multitude of factors. Say you are depressed, you take drugs to alleviate it. Now your drugs are gone, you still have the other problems, cant pay rent, SO is cheating awful person, prices increasing, stagnant wage, etc You can solve this one thing but the problem still remains since its still caused from other factors. Politicians always promise and carry out these quick fix solution and they rarely work mostly due to the situations I just outlined.

[@whiskey-and-rebellion]

We can clearly see where you lean but you’re clearly doing your best to remain unbiased. I appreciate it

[@Airbomb]

This channel has always been subtle right wing propaganda lmfao

[@whiskey-and-rebellion]

@@Airbombmust be right wing from a English perspective not American. Unless you’re so far left you think slightly left leaning is right

[@melkicastillo3399]

really subtle but fair in the info

[@TYR1139]

Theres no left in gringoland, all they say is right leaning

[@jazzercise300]

​@@Airbomblol wut idk how you came to that conclusion. I'm pretty far left and I don't see that at all.

[@sagitarriulus9773]

My dad died of a meth overdose but I’m not sure a “war” will fix it.

[@Exspiravito]

I’m sure saying no to drugs will fix it too

[@simparker]

No Mexican was guilty of the death of a drug addict.

[@user-gg4be4qd6y]

En plus its a antidepressant medicine in war also pain killers during war

[@northislandguy]

How can the left hand fight something when the right hand is helping the very thing the left hand is fighting

[@grayfiander7769]

I’m sorry but I want to add onto this something that is missing: the pharmaceutical industry’s hand in the current fentanyl problem… it’s not that it popped out of nowhere, it’s a straight line from the time of the 90s-2010s when OxyContin was prescribed in biblical amounts, they went as far to use heat maps to find places with doctors that would be willing to prescribe large amounts of it for kickbacks…they knew. After Purdue had to change its formula to make it less easy to abuse, people switched over to heroin. Then drug runners figured out they could get a bigger return on their money with one brick of fentanyl than they could with 10 pounds of heroin, and people were already fucked up enough to take it. Fentanyl didn’t come out of nowhere… it all started with those small pills given to you, your brother, your mother, every one…

[@Xalantor]

But since the US government is a slave to corporate interest there will never be blowback to those pharmacy corps without a significant upheaval.

[@cditzler2018]

Truth, as a former opioid addict

[@isaacsmind5575]

I can think of a very recent example of how bad it can go when you conduct a special military operation in your neighboring country...

[@SusCalvin]

No one wants a war at home. It's much easier to cheer on the troops and support it all when it all happens somewhere far away and you sit enclosed in the middle of an empire.

[@calvinware7957]

A number of people I went to school with as a kid have since died of opiods.

[@100domathon]

Purdue Pharma

[@thorssensgamesNCC1701]

Millie understands we risk a second Vietnam in Mexico.

[@dodoubleg2356]

There’s no point in declaring war on drugs. The war should be declared on our insatiable DEMAND for drugs.

[@magisterrleth3129]

That's the idea of the war on drugs. Arrest the customers. Unfortunately, whether the feds like it or not, Americans _love_ drugs.

[@hikingthere3540]

We’ve been there. We’ve also spent 50 years telling people that they should live their best lives and addictions really aren’t their fault.

[@dinsdalemontypiranha4349]

This was also my take from the video. Unfortunately, I can't remember when this has ever succeeded. My favorite aunt was born in 1905 and lived in Chicago in the 1920s. She told me about being in a speakeasy when a competing gang sprayed the place with submachine gun fire. This didn't stop her or any of the other regular customers from continuing to patronize the place. Some years ago I was so poor that I had to share a house with seven other guys. One of them had been a heroin addict for many years, but after being released from prison he was given methadone every day. For whatever reason, he stopped taking the methadone and went back to taking heroin, which meant that he had to go back to being a thief in order to purchase the heroin. There is no current medical treatment known to put an end to the craving of the human brain and mind for the feelings that people experience when getting high. I hope that medical researchers are working hard to develop this. Like consuming sugar, which was a good thing long, long, ago, when there was very little sugar available to hunter gatherers, now that we have access to an endless amount of sugar it has become bad for people's bodies, I suspect that the biochemistry in the brain associated with getting high was once a pro-survival thing, like adrenalin for "fight or flight" but now that this state can be easily and repeatedly achieved artificially it has become a bad thing.

[@caseyb1346]

There's a key point where it is mentioned the demographic that mainly partakes of fentanyl. It also happens to be the Republican parties base; poor uneducated white people. What you are suggesting is the Republican party declare war on it's own base.

[@PopeSixtusVI]

I say we just stop resusitating overdose patients. Eventually they'll all be dead, our streets will be way cleaner, domestic abuse rates go way down and our poverty index goes way up.

[@ElderNewt]

Imagine if they spent all this money on fixing America's healthcare society and system people might begin to stop taking drugs.

[@davidporter7051]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 how does one even come to this conclusion?

[@jakeohare913]

@@davidporter7051bro why do you think people get hooked on fentanyl in the first place? It’s perfectly logical. People are self medicating with opioids bc they can’t afford healthcare

[@relight6931]

That makes too much sense.. You have to justify the US defense spending. That is why US don't think twice, before hooreying for another military action, whether it's called a war, action or isn't even official. They only ever leave those with nukes to themselves.

[@davidporter7051]

@@jakeohare913 this is naive at best. At best the reasoning you presented is a feeble excuse. The most effective and lasting pain management is through physical therapy and activity. Americans as a whole do not want that. If they can obtain a dopamine hit while doing something as easy as popping a pill they prefer that. My family is littered with addicts and we have access to healthcare.

[@yayhandles]

​​@@jakeohare913 *Some* are, but the overwhelming majority are just looking to get high. Source: I live in the kind of neighborhood where this stuff thrives and ambulances carting out OD's is totally normal and junkies are everywhere.

[@Hollywood041]

Rama-swam-y. Mill-ey. Does he just show up and read the projector, or does Simon know of whom he is talking, like a review sesh?

[@gurriato]

Saying that the anti immigration efforts have largely failed is very misleading, considering the efforts have gone into exactly the opposite.

[@007kingifrit]

yea i didn't like that one. trump reduced immigration by 70%

[@philtorrez4198]

Hmm, seems like an awful lot of fuss when we could just fix the domestic policies that bankroll cartels to begin with.

[@PopeMetallicus]

why not both?

[@KingBrandonm]

Exactly. America is the world's largest consumer of illegal drugs. If we legalized all drugs and regulated them like alcohol, and legalized prostitution and legalized it like pornography, that would drain the cartels of their coffers and allow us to focus on real issues like human trafficking, because victims would be more open to seeking help if they didn't fear prosecution themselves

[@howhigh0521]

Let me guess your idea. Make all drugs legal and the cartels won’t have a way to profit? There’s no certainty that would solve the problem. Unless your alluding to something else that is.

[@KingBrandonm]

@howhigh0521 Do...do you not realize why they got into fentanyl? Because of marijuana legalization across much of the US. That put them in a financial crisis that they solved with fentanyl. Alcohol is worse than heroin, there are studies proving this, so there is no reason that legalization and regulation can't happen. And even if it doesn’t destroy the cartels, it will severely weaken them.

[@omnitravis]

@@KingBrandonm lol you are so incorrect. its a helluva lot more profitable. why grow weed which takes the better part of a year when you can import chemicals legally?

[@cesarvazquez8504]

One detail that you have not mentioned or have not been mentioned throughout the entire discussion about drug cartels is Mexicos rich lithium reserves. They only really want to do something desperately about the cartels, because that would be their ticket into Mexicos lithium reserves. It’s no secret the US wants a piece of that. Cartels have been around for years, the only thing that changes is the drugs they ship through

[@jerryguzman2847]

this is a cop out and a pathetic excuse to invade Mexico. if the US is so concerned with the drugs coming into the USA then they should make a better effort to STOP the illegal trafficing of guns pouring into Mexico that are being use to armed those same cartels they allegedly wanna "fight"! secondly, they should also do a better job of combating the drug use in their country! they should find a way to combat the demand for the drugs their people consume!!

[@rogerdadodger9033]

They want to take the rest of the land

[@Rokaize]

Why would we need it when we have huge amounts of lithium. Like some of the largest in the world. Why not just buy the lithium from Mexican companies. You make no sense

[@rogerdadodger9033]

@jasimmohammadsaleh9819 lithium is not the future lol keep it. Fuel powers electric shit

[@NezahualcoyotlMendoza]

​@@Rokaizetambién tienen enormes cantidades de petróleo y las guerras en medio oriente han sido por "unidad" y "democracia".

[@Jimbogf]

When has military intervention ever worked in the past 70 years?

[@neiliscoo2851]

When a fake intellectual tries to pronounce "quadrupled" 😆

[@Sakai070]

I've lost so many personal friends to the fentanyl epidemic, I was deeply entrenched in it myself for a significant amount of time. But military action will not bring those threatens back, and it may just make the situation worse.

[@petros8478]

If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ

[@smartcookie3500]

Bring it!

[@petros8478]

If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ@@smartcookie3500

[@happygilmore1844]

Nah, its gloves off this time

[@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387]

It will imagine the Iraq war but being their neighbors with their people being the highest minority number in your nation surrounded by others in your nation who share similiar culture to them there would be insurgency for generations not to mention neighboring. Countries would step in not something we want in American soil Just militarize the border

[@willjapheth23789]

Going after the supplier in a black market never seems to work, especially if you ignore the demand side of the equation.

[@Setapart.1]

Vivek what?? 😂😂 “ Ramasery”

[@matthewjordan7731]

Not trying to nitpick but as someone in recovery from opioids non of us actively sought out fentanyl,we did pills..no pills..okay I’ll try dope (heroin)…then it started getting cut with fentanyl (around 2015 in the mid Atlantic) then by 2017/2018 it was “heroin” but really fentanyl..now every dealer will call it heroin but we all know what it is. Some people will say “well if you know it’s fentanyl don’t do it” and even though that’s completely rational when you’re dopesick and projectile vomiting while shitting your pants you tend not to care what it is as long as you don’t feel bad anymore…some of these people who want to go to war are angry and sad because of the ones they loved who died from an overdose. Even though I think selling that poison is wrong it is up to the addict to eventually say enough is enough and get on the right path. Also, if the politicians care that much maybe they should consider more MAT options, needle exchanges etc before drone striking Mexico. Just a thought

[@jamiewebb8633]

I’m a professional Firefighter in WestVirginia. Overdose calls are a constant thing in our daily life. Our city’s are being ruined and overwhelmed from zombie like homeless people. Many are not local. Every year a new generation of youth gets hooked.

[@Pimpin-rm1ju]

Such a beautiful state! So sad!

[@S1XxX777]

Yes! At last, thank you simon. I've been waiting for you to make this video for while now.

[@ChcgZ]

It can start with making more difficult to get guns in the frontier for them not to get smuggled to the cartels

[@killzone014]

The cartels have become a much more noticeable problem in recent years from what I can understand, and obviously the US can’t go in guns blazing or anything since the cartels are so spread out and vast in terms of how they can operate and other such things. Another problem is how common opioids are now in North America and how easy it is to obtain them compared to other drugs, it’s also obvious that a lot of people on these drugs just don’t want to stop taking these drugs or seek help in the short or long term. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised opioids were the new cocaine.

[@AcidUsagi]

Simon really needs to narrate a audiobook at this point. I'd buy it.

[@petros8478]

If your a christian you need to repent of your sins PLZ

[@darkcoeficient]

I don't know. He butchered Vivek's name I think.

[@MrPaul-kj5bm]

So I've heard a theory from people around me that this is such a big point for Republicans is that a huge lithium deposit was just found in Mexico and Mexico doesn't want to sell to American companies

[@JuanMartinez-mw5rc]

Sell, yes; not give away for pennies on the dollar, ostensibly through privatization of national resources that leaves out Mexico's GDP fair distribution of wealth in favor of oligarchs groomed by US interest, or outright US takeover. This is the exact method in which Mexico, and Latin America, has been pick pocketed for the last two centuries via Mexicans groomed at Harvard or otherwise corrupted (Including CIA and DEA partnerships with cartels - Money, Drugs, and Military Grade Weapons), mainly by the US, but also Spain and other nation states. This practice has exacerbated in the last 40 yrs. and rendered Mexico's citizens into great social economic outcry. The US' Monroe Doctrine ongoing agenda fully documents the multi-faceted strategies beyond my brief comment to monopolize other nations resources. These tactics have been employed in many of Mexico's resources, ie: Petroleum, Water, Electricity, Subsidies, Land Grabbing Stock Market Speculation, Mining, Agriculture, etc. These exacerbations in Mexico, and Latin America, with the complicity of the US has been the cause of mass migrations. Of course US Think Tanks foresaw these events, simply by considering just one industry, the monopolization of agriculture in both Mexico and Colombia cornered farmers into exile or Illegal crop growing by farmers who were ousted of main staple farming via corporate co-ops and licensed bio engineered seeds that corrupt native seeds. Since 2018, Mexican President AMLO has begun a massive campaign to eradicate illegal exploitive corruption by Mexican nationals and their foreign government conspirators. This has incensed both internal treasonous nationals and their foreign conspirators who are hell bent on piracy. Their incense is so pronounced that they are willing to fool, or attempt to fool US citizens to believe Mexico is the cause or threat to their national security. How soon have we forgotten the permissiveness of Pearl Harbor, the Bay of Tonka and Vietnam, the Iran Contra Scandal, the permissiveness of 911 and Weapons of Mass Destruction; now also the proposition to humiliate Mexico further ostensibly to succumb drug cartels? The real cartel bosses are in the DEA, CIA, Congress, etc. Lucrative resources that rightly belong to Mexico's social economic success is what the US is really after. To effect any kind of military campaign under false pretenses on Mexican soil will be the cause of a very tragic unconventional pyrrhic war. DON'T GO THEIR!

[@CesarTheKingVA]

No they're willing to sell lithium, but they're not willing to let American companies come in and extract it. That's all nationalized and run by the Mexican government.

[@El_Soyato]

you might be confusing that with the one found in the United States recently, because of the size of the deposit found, I don't think the Republicans are too concerned with Mexico

[@jackylynn]

Keep your dumb takes confined in your woke bubble

[@lalito._.01]

​@sawyercooney300 america likes to use other countries resources before they use there own. Oil is a good example

[@michaeldeal7819]

What exactly is a mili tree?

[@wrencher42a]

I think this problem could be handled internally, without interaction with Mexico. Build the wall and get rid of the lenient laws that allow our youth to slip easily into death.

[@Elc22]

It's as if we were going back to the idiotic war on drugs, where it is all about trying to fight the symptoms and not the cause... but that's normal for politicians.

[@User-rka_zykx76]

We know a thing or two about destabilizing foreign economies. In all seriousness the US military could walk into Mexico right now and own it. Had we not pissed off China lmao.

[@WildWombats]

This is it. For a party that claims to know economics, they seem to fail to grasp Economics 101. Supply and Demand. Go ahead, try and cut off the supply, but you never will be able to so long as there is a demand for it. Chop one head off, 2 more grow. It never ends. Anyone can make the drugs anywhere. So even if you succeed in Mexico, they can easily move out somewhere else and do business in another country instead. Sure, you might make it harder and raise prices, but in the end you're not stopping it. The far smarter approach is as you mentioned, we need to fight the DEMAND side of it. That will cripple the supply side without even needing to shed blood. There's a few ways you can go about fighting demand, but it all starts with proper education on the drugs, and "just say no" doesn't work. Then, poverty needs to be addressed because poverty and drug use go hand-in-hand. Poverty is also how cartels themselves thrive as they prey on vulnerable people and recruit them, promising riches. They'd be far less prone to join or use if they weren't in poverty. So creating more jobs would be very beneficial in this effort. Ultimately, happy citizens = less drug use, educated citizens = even less drug use, employed citizens = even less drug use. I doubt you'll see a world of 0 drug use ever, but we can work to reduce the amount of users out there. Lastly, the prison system is a JOKE, a total joke. It's PART of the problem. If you've ever watched prison docs, half the time you're PRESSURED into doing drugs in jail, and yes, they can get all the drugs in jail they can on the outside. And most jails do have them. So imagine being a recovering addict, and someone PRESSURES you into doing more of the drug. This ain't helping them, it's only making it worse. SO, my proposal is drug users don't go to prison or jail. They go to forced mandated rehab - LIKE a jail, but they're treated much better and the goal is to get them off the drugs, therefore drugs will not be smuggled into this facility. Working to get our citizens off the drugs rather than just throwing them in a jail where access to drugs is even more available would do far better in hurting the drug epidemic than going into Mexico. sorry for rant

[@user-pf2gm7mo9y]

I happened to live in the city of Juarez Mexico during the period of 2007 through 2010. It was during this time when Sinaloa cartel was in a bitter dispute for territory with the Juárez Cartel and its allies. Dead bodies on the street were a common findings as it was finding yourself in the middle of a gunfight, while trying to get groceries. Not a lot of people know that there was a formal petition from several activist organizations in Juarez to have UN military intervention. Why? It was not only the violence that was brought forth by the cartels, but also the blatant attacks on civilians at the hands of the Mexican federales, and the Mexican military. The Mexican military was a clear ally of the Sinaloa cartel and both the Mexican military, and the federales took a vantage of the situation to rob, rape, and extort the locals I can tell you right now, during that time I would have welcomed with open arms, a military intervention from the US or the UN.

[@jessicalacasse6205]

we probly go in israel for 1000 killed while how many death south of the border this year

[@burpinglight9415]

Idk why but this very closely resembles the definition of Civil war

[@tetraxis3011]

Um the GOPES are not military g.

[@PootisPenserPow]

Uhhh yeah. That's why the Mexican government doesn't want any part in fighting the cartels. They're all bought off by the same.

[@luisfowler]

.l.

[@kennethboyer2338]

This would be a bad idea with the current military leadership from the rank of O8 and above. These aholes let politics dictate them and what they do. Also with the lack of retention of current members and record low recruitment levels will make it worse.

[@whatsreal7506]

This is a pointless question. The USA has the capability to stop all illegal drugs coming into the country at any given time without bloodshed. They choose not to do so because the entire economy would collapse starting with the criminal justice industrial complex. Make token seizures they do, stopping it all, never.

[@adamcheklat7387]

Well, if the U.S decides to form a military coalition with the Mexican government, then yes.

[@holyheretic3185]

Even if they didn't then yes, it's Mexico. We'd basically just fighting slightly better armed cartels.

[@CHlNY]

I think the problem would still remain. Someone else will step up to take over the distribution operations. We need to stop their sourcing/production somehow.

[@moonasha]

too bad the mexican government will never agree to that, because it's infiltrated at every level by people involved with the cartels.

[@zakf2929]

​@@CHlNY Fund their poor community's and target corruption, people are only turning to the cartels because there's no better option. It most probably won't be something that could be fixed in a few years and will most probably take generations to stamp out.

[@thirdlife911]

The Mexican government is so corrupted by the cartel, they’ll never allow it. We’d have to force it

[@sarakajira]

I tell people that as Americans we are good at either fighting stuff, or making money off things. When a problem comes along that we can't fight or make money off of: we simply don't know how to handle it. And most social problems are problems that cannot be solved through combat or profiteering.

[@gclip9883]

@@dearmas9068 You imply that people take drugs solely because they get access, which is not true. People who get addicted to opioids either had a medical prescription after a medical procedure or are deeply unhappy. Both problems can be solved with the right course of action. First of all, doctors should start to look into other pain medication, or the combination of NSAIDS and opioids for example. We should use the mildest drug that still has the desired effect. Second of all, in the united states, a lot of people live in complete poverty or are homeless, and there is no one to help them get out. Of course, those people will take drugs to make their life less miserable. If you want to help those people, you have to provide social seervices for the poor and aid them towards a better life. Drug addiction is not a moral failing of the individual, it is a failure of the system.

[@eegernades]

​​​@@dearmas9068it literally should be the US problems to solve. They went and destabilized Latin countries to suit their own needs for US private businesses, which created poor economic situations around Latin countries. And the US even went and assassinated democratically elected leaders to serve their own benefit. Which destabilized Latin countries further, and the US goes and train militias to take down those Latin countries, causing unrest and poor economic situations, andassive rise to violence throughout. And you somehow think it's not the US's problem when they caused this? You are not the pure victim. The US caused this issue. They should try to fix it. And help the actual victims that they created, and in turn, help themselves by doing so

[@oscarrmelchor]

You forget the part where you steal and put in place a puppet government.

[@siddsunil3731]

@@dearmas9068it is our problem. Our citizens are the consumers of the drugs. Without our money, the cartels would cease to exist

[@siddsunil3731]

@@dearmas9068 that’s true, but wherever there’s a demand, a supplier will step in the fill that demand. Chop down one cartel, another entity will step in to take over. Cartels are simply the symptom of a bigger problem.

[@Skyerzen]

The Mexican Army would really not sit around either...

[@jeffwarren9106]

If the demand for the product remains strong, it doesn’t matter what type of operation is undertaken , you will still have the demand and that will continue to find a way to satisfy itself. No matter what you do to stop it.

[@alain0996]

And there is corruption in both USA and Mexico, who do you think is the weapons supplier for drug Cartels. If USA really wants to help they should control the overflow of weapons to Mexico In Mexico it is legal to own firearms but there is only 1 store in the whole country operated by the military. Firearms in USA are sold EVERYWHERE and there are no followups to the location of weapons.

[@johnniemiec3286]

What about the reaction of the large numbers of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans living in the U.S.? That is a topic I feel should have at least been mentioned. Those folks are a large part of our communities and our economy. Not surprising a right wing plan doesn't even account for it's own citizens.

[@noelramirez1551]

....thats what I've always wondered its like they want the right conservatives to not just hate illegal immigrants but also hate legal brown Americans just look at whats going on im Florida if your Chinese you cant buy land imagine telling a person of Mexican decent they can't open a business because they kight have ties to cartels

[@QEsposito510]

Either you’re an American and care about this country or you’re an illegal alien and your opinion is null. Being an American of Mexican descent doesn’t entitle you to special government consideration.

[@teanott5073]

So we're just gonna keep letting drugs get in and letting people die by cartel murders

[@igorz3551]

I was born in Mexico but I've lived here my whole life and it's just sad they don't want us but there's really lazy and bad people out there but they hate the humble ones.

[@jD-wg3py]

U just answered ur own comment...its own citiznes...yur reffering to US citiznes so the their loyalty will b to the US or it can be considfed treason

[@jaredeiesland]

If attacking supply is not feasible, can we please focus on demand? Why do people want fent so bad? What are they trying to cover up? Sounds like treating that would be so much more effective. Desperate people will do desperate things, no matter what you take away, unless what you take away is the desperation.

[@gphjr1444]

Nah we need that money and resources for law enforcement and prisons. When profit outweighs the greater good of a society you get in this endless cycle of giving law enforcement money and seeing no improvement. Unless you're the entity that sells the cement and metal for prisons and the guns and bullets for law enforcement.

[@manolososadavinci1937]

It's disgusting how many America's youth and adults are addicted to fentanyl,I lost a marine friend from fentanyl o.d

[@jcheck1107]

We’ve been treating drug addiction for decades and it hasn’t helped anything

[@benjammin9745]

Yes, this is the only true solution. Nothing else will ever work.

[@SpicyCheeseAltHistory]

You have the best opinion the us needs to increase taxes a bit and invest in social care

[@dalelange845]

The only practical way to loosen the grip the cartels now have at the border is to shift policy to strict enforcement coupled with disincentivization. Obviously, reducing the size of the markets they target would have a profound effect on the success they currently enjoy as well as constricting the scope of their operations, hence the size of those operations. Weve tried in the past to stifle the demand attached to illegal drug use, but with limited success. There are, however, lessons to be learned from previous policy failures. And even more relevant, what can be drawn from the current catastrophic policy failure. Point number one, policy is just that...policy. It can be quickly changed, and those changes implemented quickly and effectively. Any new policy should include the delegating of enough authority to locally based enforcement officials to implement necessary strategic and tactical changes as needed IN THE MOMENT. Changes to the current protocols are clumsy and slow, very much like turning a giant cruise ship vs the cartels' ability to change direction which is almost instantaneous, like turning a jetski. In short, we react to new and improved changes within cartel strategies and operations way too slowly and way too predictably. The lesson we need to take away today is that those with boots on the ground, those doing the enforcement of our laws, are much more in touch with the border dynamic than the lawmakers in Washington could ever hope to be. Politics and egos in DC have suffocated the common sense and reason necessary to effectively control the border. ***The U.S. Supreme Court will likely hear a case, before summers end, that could ultimately set the stage for the changes mentioned above. Let's pray they do the right thing. 🤔

[@benjamincho4819]

My personal opinion is that it's a very complex subject regarding Law & Order, People need to know what is Right/Proper/Correct as well as Wrong/Improper/Incorrect to sustain ourselves as Human Beings; once you eliminate something deemed as "Wrong" you start to see the Animals in the People that are "Right." Comic Book quote, "You live long enough as a 'Hero' and you become the 'Villain'.

[@jaimeacosta7714]

You need to also tack into consideration the weapons that cross the border and armed all the cartels, how did they get in to the cartels hands? Why are there so many people in the US addicted to drugs? What is the US doing to fix its own issues? I think Mexico needs to work on there cartel problem, but the Us need to work on there drug addiction and weapons problem. In the end both governments are just pointing fingers at each other to gain VOTES.

[@Archon_Angel77]

Exactly 💯 I say this to republicans and I get called a communist/socialist

[@ServantOfTheSouth]

You ever heard of the black market? Doesn’t seem like it.

[@arico1987]

​@Albert__Wesker 200k weapons get crossed yearly from the US to Mexico. We focus more on protecting our borders from ppl, drugs and illegal things from coming in. When do you hear we should stop criminals from taking money and guns to Mexico.

[@armandoventura9043]

An acronym: CIA They simply turned a blind eye in order to control the Latin American political sphere, but thanks to that the Chinese have the American government by the balls, but worse still, they created a low-budget Yugoslavia on the border

[@chalinosanchezalv]

@@ServantOfTheSouththe weapons were supplied by the U.S administration supposedly so they could track them down to the cartels who bought them. The U.S funds their operation because it makes them money and keeps the poor population down in America.