Could Deku Have Been a Quirkless Hero?

Deku was given one of the most powerful quirks in the series with One For All. But what if he received no Quirk? Could he have worked hard enough to still become a hero?
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:44 Base Deku's Superhuman feats
8:43 Knuckleduster
10:25 Mirio
11:55 Support Items
13:50 Can Deku legally be a hero?
Calculations:
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[@izzymosley1970]

Even though deku had to potential to be a quirkless hero I think it makes perfect sense that he didn't try to be one because of his mindset and how society conditioned him into thinking you need a quirk to be a hero. In the short he just didn't have the same personality type as asta which makes sense because there are different characters.

[@phantom9831]

I agree, if he didn't started defeatist, just by training he could've exploit his potential and becoming a great hero, he has the personality of a hero, he's clever, with a strong sense of analysation and adaptation

[@JDWalker495]

Asta also had the benefit of a better upbringing, he had friends to play and grow with who genuinely cared for him with at least one person that acknowledged him and kept his motivation up (yuno). Not that it devalues his training and hard work by any means, just shows the importance of upbringing in mentality. If Deku had met someone like Mei, or Melissa earlier his path might’ve changed

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

I wouldn't exactly call it better, at the very least deku was born in a society where at least 20 percent of population were quirkless , while asta no one is magic less , even the ppl who were actually nice to him actively put him down, saying he should give up , asta goals werent born from a want they were born from a need to survive, if decided to be like deku , he would have been better off killing himself bc in his world u need magic to do anything even basic house chores ​@@JDWalker495

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

I wouldn't exactly call asta upbringing better , for deku at least 20% of the world was quirkless and he had no one to support him , u could have said the same for asta , in asta case there is literally no one that is magic less , he was constantly riduculed, even the ppl who raised him actively told him to give up or didn't actively support, him u can say yuno but its implied in the first episode or chapter of series , yuno gradually stopped acknowledging asta as a rival, of course I think still saw asta as a rival but yuno stopped showing, of he eventually said out loud he was his rival but whatever my point his asta dream wasnt born out of a want but a need , it wasnt his upbringing that necessarily inspired him , it was the fact that in his place , if he didnt dream or train the way he did he was better off killing himself, bc u don't cant function without magic in black clover , even the most basic things in that world needs magic , asta would have spent the rest of his life being foot mat for every one else

[@gentlepeeps3351]

@@phantom9831 quirkless people were un able to enrol into hero school until his year where it was finally changed

[@JDWalker495]

The thing is Deku’s original dream wasn’t to be the number one hero, just A hero, to help people like all might. He was lucky that all might was there to witness that trait in him. But with mechanical training in the support course. I fully believe he could’ve been MHA’s Batman or Ironman, he’s got the intelligence for it just lacked direction.

[@Grayson-Winchester]

Deku didn't take being a hero all that serious as a kid. It was just the coolest thing on screen and what the other children were always talking about. Deku spend a lot of time in front of his computer. Like many others of his age. He would have never passed the entrance exam with the robots

[@arthurcosta1657]

That is his own falt he could pass ​@@Grayson-Winchester

[@JDWalker495]

With regards to Deku not being like asta and training from the start of the series I think a part of it also comes down to a difference in upbringing For good 10 years dude had basically no real friends or father figure, was abused physically, mentally and socially, got jumped often by Bakuguo and his ‘friends’ to reenforce his status as worthless that he would always be physically lesser all all because of what he was born as. Under those circumstances it makes sense he wouldn’t have motivation to hit the gym. Asta despite being the literal only one of his kind, still had a relatively normal upbringing, had friends he could play with, a supportive father figure to teach him morals, and brother that always believed in and motivated him. Motivation is the key cause it’s want saves you from despair, saved asta plenty when his will was at his limit. Sometimes you need someone to point you in the right direction, whether it’s with a gentle nudge, or a harsh slap, Deku and Asta got both throughout their stories.😂

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

Your right

[@axular7931]

The reason I believe Deku didn't train was because of lack of support in his social life. We could see that everyone either builled or ridiculed Izuku for having dreams of being a hero all because he was quirkless. Even his own Mom essentially gave up on him and didn't do anything to help him until he asked for help. Not to mention Bakugo made Izuku's life a living hell. Being gaslighted by everyone you know would take a toll on anyone's mental state. If Izuku had a rival like Yuno who didn't discourage him and help with training. Then Izuku would have trained hard because just having the support of one makes the difference in anyone's life. Which is why I hate the comparisons between Deku and Asta, I can understand why people make them but they are still apples and oranges. Because Asta still had Yuno and others who were willing to help him even if they thought he was going to fail in the end. But Deku had no one to support him or encourage him to try and train.

[@krystaldragons6040]

This comment needs more likes, bakugo only acknowledges deku after he goes through multiple trails and succeeds where as yuno acknowledged ASTA back when they were both in the orphanage.

[@axular7931]

@krystaldragons6040 Thank you! Bakugo is a terrible rival and is a toxic influence that most people would avoid if he was in a different series. Asta and Yuno are what Horikoshi wished he could be writing but he's an inept writer.

[@soul8648]

that. I only noticed your comment as I typed mine lol

[@soul8648]

@@axular7931 FACT. But, the creator took a realistic route with Izuku as a character and didn't which was a good thing

[@JDWalker495]

@@krystaldragons6040funny thing is there’s a side manga that show Deku and Bakuguo encountering a hero chasing a villain in middle school. Deku found the villains weaken before bakuguo and help defeat it but got no credit, still bakuguo knew what happened. Bakuguo always knew Deku was smart and had skill, his superiority complex just wouldn’t allow him to admit it till it was punching him in the face 😂

[@Grayson-Winchester]

Something I noticed when re-reading both series is that society has very different perceptions on Asta and Deku. Deku seems to only confirms to a society in which he was lucky enough to follow legal regulations. He entered highschool with a bunch of superpowered teenagers like he is supposed to. While in Black Clover, Asta remains to this day someone who defies his society by his mere presence. A magicless peasant from the poorest regions is something that loads of people looked down on and badmouthed at any chance. Throughout the story many people tried to throw stones in Asta's way but he overcame it over and over again. Which made the nobility grinding their teeth. When Asta and Noelle entered magi knighthood they also entered adulthood. As for Deku, his heroism is many times unacknowledged as people with quirks have strong regulations. They still a bunch of highschooler who know very little about the world. Don't get me wrong, this is not to diminish Deku's heroic feats until now. But it will be literally just that. He'll be number 1 on the billboard charts one day. Just another person with a very powerful quirk who worked his way up again. Deku should have met the vigilantes from the spin off. People who still pursuit their heroism outside of society's regulations. Would he want to arrest them or turn a blind eye to them?

[@kevintanza6968]

And I think that's fine because not every protagonist has to be the exception to the rule. But I find Asta a lot more compelling.

[@DragoWolf175]

What I think would be cool is that during the vigilante arc or dark deku arc, he'll go to American (for whatever reasons) he'll see that there are heroes without quirks, which makes him questioning himself and began believing that Mirio should've been chosen to be All Might's Successor.

[@arpandey698]

Could Deku be a Hero: Yes, because many low-level hero's and Villans have weak quirks and rely more on, their physical strength, Marial arts, and weapons to win like Stain and Ojiro. Would Deku be strong enough to be the number 1 Hero or even just top 5: No because all the top tier Villans and Heros have stupidly overpowered quirks that can only be countered by other stupidly overpowered Quirks or hyper expensive tech that Deku would never be able to realistically afford or obtain.

[@doctorkiro]

Stain is a pretty high level villain though

[@jackmakila3776]

@@doctorkiro plus if he could get to stains level he could probably ask support item makers for stronger gear stain was out here with basically just a regular sword and his physical training

[@doctorkiro]

@@jackmakila3776 Yeah

[@godpro3189]

But stain and ojiro domt have weak quirks, they rely on martial arts because theyr quirk is literally a close type

[@shadowgamesxy2843]

​@@doctorkiro He normally sneak attack the heroes though, i doubt he would Stand a chance against someone like Endeavor otherwise.

[@planetbirthday6859]

I agree I think that if deku trained himself up he could get superhuman stats. Now if he were to try and be a hero the legal way which is go to school and get a licence this is where things get tricky. I remember in the MHA dub it was actually said that U.A use to have a rule where quirkless people weren't allowed, but they changed it which is why izuku thought he had a chance to get in, that aside if he did get into U.A after doing all this training his first issue would be aizawa, if he was placed into his class again would aizawa expell him because of his lack of a quirk? It was later revealed aizawa fake expells his students and re-enrolls them, but izuku himself makes things different If aizawa doesn't expell him the next issue would would be internships even if he got into the finals of the sports festival would people be giving him offers to intern? And the 3rd issue would be the Hero licence would the Hero commission who are probably in charge of giving out both provisional and actual Hero licences let izuku get a licence? If all these things aren't possible there's always the vigilantte route

[@phantom9831]

Well for Aizawa, it depends, he expelled an enitre class before, because he thought they lacked the potential to be heroes yet, and he also wanted to protect them from what, he mike and Oboro lived, it's not really a "fake" expelling. And there's also the mindset which matters, if it wasn't for Deku's determination to continue despite his injuries, Aiazawa would've expelled him after the test, not only because he was last, but also because Aizawa thought of Izuku as a slacker because, despite wanting to be a hero, Izuku wasn't unable to control a bit a quirk that he had since years (at least, from Aizawa's perspective)

[@planetbirthday6859]

@@phantom9831 good point I don't recall izuku telling any teachers early in the story that he got his quirk late so from aizawa perspective izuku supposedly did have a quirk his entire life and only in U.A he's trying to work things out

[@phantom9831]

@@planetbirthday6859 Well after all, how could he tell to his teachers? Let alone convincing them it's not a lie

[@jorgehuertas3995]

So let's take this to the absolute extreme. Remember quirkless Shigaraki survived being torched and carbonised? Honestly, what are quirks worth in a world in which surgery can make you invincible?

[@gentlepeeps3351]

its done but with knowledge of quirks in mind

[@BlueBlazeKing]

To be fair wasn’t his body modified similar to that of a Nomu

[@Silvercomet251]

​@@BlueBlazeKingYes but let's remember be did fight gigantomachia and he has to strengthen enhancements at that point.

[@Agent-57]

Surgery done via AFO's quirk stealing abilites

[@qstar1237]

to be fair that surgery Isnt known or available to the general public at that time

[@nickisaneet]

For the argument for Deku not training pre story and still being a good character, it's worth considering he was bullied physically, mentally, and socially by Bakugo and society who literally would tell Deku to kys, and even his own mother didn't encourage him until he STARTED training. If you actually consider the situation he's in the fact that he's not mentally ill is sort of a feat lol, great vid!!

[@JDWalker495]

F*cking thank you, it’s like people forget he was being pushed to su*cide. At least asta had real friends during his childhood and a brother that supported him.

[@silverdemon1530]

​@@JDWalker495fact of the matter is "did he try" he never once tried to actually try and make those dreams into reality

[@tavaedenton3338]

​@@silverdemon1530 And how would he do that exactly?

[@silverdemon1530]

@@tavaedenton3338 he never tried. It's as simple as that buddy.

[@tavaedenton3338]

@@silverdemon1530 And I asked you how would he try to become a hero without powers? Cause last time I checked, this wasn't One Punch Man.

[@dspace4514]

I think that even if Deku still had OFA, it would have been interesting to see a Quirkless student at U.A. They didn't have to be in 1-A from the start, but they could be like Hitoshi that started in the General Studies and climbed their way up to the hero Course. It would have been an interesting side story to see to the main plot

[@funloop]

I think the fact that, unlike Asta and other shounen heroes, Deku was told early on in life that he was quirkless by his doctor whereas Asta, despite not having magic, still had hope that once the ceremony happened he would be gifted a grimoire and prove that he did have magic. It also helps that, unlike Deku, Asta had a support system he can rely on early in his life and even at his lowest point (when he was told he didn't have magic at all by the chain villain) he was motivated by his friend/rival to stand back up. Deku did not have any support system going for him and at his lowest point his one last confidant (his mother) shot him down again. And as cool as Knuckle duster is, he was still born and trained to be a hero so he has knowledge and instincts attributed from his past, and he had a job. Lastly, being a vigilante would be an option if it weren't for the fact that it is illegal no matter the circumstances, even using your quirk as an unlicensed hero/civilian is frowned upon (Deku, Ida, Shoto were reprimanded for using their quirks on Stain but since they were still students the punishment fell to their supervisors). All in all, what Deku needed before anything else was a support system to motivate him to try but seeing how everyone from his friend/bully, his classmates, the general population, and even his mother telling him that it's impossible form an early age, he would've ended up as a cop working under Suguichi at best.

[@phantom9831]

I would add that being a quirkless hero is also implied of being possible during the Yuei tournament, when Aizawa explains that because of the nature of the exam, people without physical quirks, such as Shinso are disadvantaged, even if they have all it needs in order to become a hero, and that's why he decided to train Shinso himself, not only because he know he has the potential, but also because in a sense, we learn that he faced a similar problem without his quirk. And when we see Shinso again, he became bulkier and stronger, able to mimic Aizawa's use of his bandages, and just by using them, Shinso was able to lift heavy objects during the interclass fights without much efforts, showing once again that a quirkless hero isn't impossible

[@hassentrh2118]

stain had very good speed/strengh it goes to show that quirkless people could defeat people with quirks if they put the work in

[@Grayson-Winchester]

So does Knuckleduster

[@romanov3937]

But Stain still used his Quirk to paralyze people, it was his MO, if he doesn't get their blood, he can't paralyze them and get the killing blow

[@hassentrh2118]

@@romanov3937 yeah but he can also survive deku kicking him in the head with 20% one for all with that metal boot just by physical stats alone

[@godpro3189]

​@@hassentrh2118no he survived a 5% hit from a newbye deku wich is a lot different

[@delaware5407]

Stain had mutant legs

[@rapidcougar3785]

0:56 QUIRKED UP HEROS Ahahah

[@sarthakarora3212]

This might be your most well structured video yet.

[@deathxanamon7211]

Also, izuku tries to look at things from an analytical perspective, while asta is like: NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

[@mubarak6391]

He definitely could have been a hero probably not a high ranked one though. Bigger question is would he have even got into UA.

[@Grayson-Winchester]

I don't think he would have been allowed to enter UA. They already turned a blind eye on the entrance exam. You remember when the students had to destroy robots to get as many points as possible? Deku showed great heroism but it was very close. UA highschool is one of the most prominent hero academies. I also don't think Deku would have even been send to UA via a recommendation like Todoroki or Momo.

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

@@Grayson-Winchester Wasn't one of the robots also a 0 point one, aka the one he actually destroyed?

[@progenitorgod1155]

Haven't seen bc yet so I can't speak there, but the story of mha was always about what it meant to he a hero. Could Deku have been a hero without a quirk? Of course, but I believe horikoshi chose to take it into a different direction, by having a quirkless person, someone who was considered the bottom of the barrel by quirk reinstill the true meaning of being a hero back into All Might, the No.1 hero, the champion of said society. Either way, I would love to have a what if one day of a quirkless hero Deku one day

[@HappiestSadGuy]

I mean...Izawa and Stain can't fully rely on their quirks and show how a well trained person can be a threat. Teenaged anime Batman would have been so much more compelling. They even had the pink haired girl who could have made all his gadgets (maybe a romance as well because shonen)

[@Grayson-Winchester]

Mina Ashido had the potential to be the most athletic person in this class.

[@tgreeny1400]

Agreed, would have made dekus fights alot more interesting in many ways. Instead of "I smash you harder than you can smash me" Would have to rely on strategy, cunning, tricks, and technology. It would def be a way more interesting deku.

[@markstriker925]

But then again it would be like every other anime about a non special protagonist, in a world full of special people.

[@kenslycarpel3140]

​@@markstriker925True, but then it's all a matter of how they execute it.

[@JDWalker495]

@@tgreeny1400he still technically does all those things just in addition to dealing with the limits of his quirk.

[@naomino7222]

I know that many people wanted deku to be the anime dark knight himself but with how the story was started and conveyed to this day it just wouldn't be possible especially with the scope of quirks we've seen. First of all deku is in a society that has developed a social hierarchy based on the power one is born with. The more powerful the quirk the easier the path to success e.g Bakugo. The guy managed to pass the second half of the UA physical through power alone. Since he was a kid he was praised and surrounded by yes men (e.g those goofy kids bakugo hung out with) , shitty teaching staff that couldn't care less cause "EvEryboDy WanNa bE A heRO" (while that is somewhat true these words become more problematic as the series goes on as this unwavering glorification of hero work is broken down as soon as all might falls) ,and finally the heros themselves (e.g the scene where deku runs in to try and save bakugo from the slime guy. Deku gets mercilessly scolded, with his selfless heroism tossed aside by heros who were to scared to approach while on the other hand bakugo was praised to infinity by having a powerful explosive quirk, even on the news this can be seen as there was no mention of deku at all only through rumors said by kirishima. From the first few episodes alone we can see that no one truly believed in deku. His own mother gave up on his ambition, his classmates bully and belittle him anytime he tries to mention his dream (teachers were useless af in his life as well) AND on top of that his own "childhood best friend" told him to commit SUICIDE. This is where people love to compare asta and deku claiming that they are the same when they're vastly different with the only similarly being that they spent the first portion of their lives with no powers. The GOAT himself, asta, had healthy relationships and a non toxic rivalry with yuno from the start. Despite their financial instability he wasn't truly told he can't and if he was he didn't give a shit. Why? Cause yuno truly believed in him and his ambitions from the start even using asta as motivation and vice versa. These things wasn't given to deku until he got one for all and into UA and yes even after he got in its not like he stopped training instantly he still had to improve his techniques and body to utilise ofa in its fullest (the kicking thing was stupid but I understand why the author did it from a narrative sense). So to end things off, if deku was quirkless for this story it wouldn't work given the threats that exist and the fact that every next generation gets stronger quirks from birth. While there are certain things i would change in the story and adaptation deku being quirkless ain't it.

[@hassentrh2118]

even people with quirks train that's the more reason why you should train if you're quirkless

[@JDWalker495]

Agreed, but admittedly that’s a benefit of hindsight. When people are constant physically, mentally and verbally abusing you especially at a young age it’s not really the first thing on your mind. Sometimes it takes proper guidance, something Deku didn’t have until all might. Hell you could even say the same for Naruto, dude wasn’t that talentless just poorly trained in early childhood cause everyone hated him, and Kakashi was a bum

[@hassentrh2118]

@@JDWalker495 naruto needs mentors to train him since he's a ninjs Deku could of done atleast a couple of pushups Hell even 10 pushups a day would build his chest and straighten his posture and he can also try the gym if he can afford it

[@godpro3189]

​@@hassentrh2118yeah but again like the guy said he was demotived by everyone, its like if someone judged you constantly when you eat something but to deku it was everytime he trained, plus deku was only 14 so he couldnt really afford the gym or to train that much

[@greyworld6242]

5:03 while I do think Deku moved that truck I don’t believe he lifted it over his head or anything like that as you’re saying and put it on top of the rest of the garage. I think he still dragged it, but that’s just my personal opinion. 5:30 I agree but also don’t agree because at this time(during season 2) Deku already has the right muscle strength from his training with all might and actually getting OFA and having it developed already inside his body to all really accomplish this feat without actually using OFA at all in this scene. But that’s just me, what do you guys think? 14:25 I won’t lie to you man I honestly forget about this dialogue because it’s been so long ago. XD Now do a todoroki and Bakugou video! What if Omni man and invincible were in bnha? Or has someone already made a video on that?

[@dominocut2963]

All for One and his underlings would get the same treatment as the old guardians of the globe

[@Quityapping]

I didn't watch the video yet , but im sure it will be peak ong , It would be cool to see you do more in depth video about other manga like mha or jkk , because tbh at first i found your powerscaling and manga review videos pretty cool , specially with the black clover scaling etc.. Amazing work as always 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Crueler_YT]

this aged like fine wine

[@diputsnoob3815]

Deku can still be a hero but can't compete against top tiers like All might or All for One There's so many characters that have quirks that do not buff physical stats, yet they are superhuman like Stain (sword that break ice), Nighteye (throw 10kg object like bullet) and heck even Toga can outmaneuver Deku MHA spoiler.... All Might have iron man suit that imitate Class 1-A power. Deku can build his own iron man suit after 3 years in UA. This guy is suppose to be smart

[@godpro3189]

Deku is tactical smart not smart on enginiring

[@arthurcosta1657]

​@@godpro3189he never tried he could study

[@Arekkusunotaijutsudojo-rr3qf]

This is why I don't get why deku couldn't be the asta, toji, or rock lee of his series

[@carondailey1450]

Armored allmight consolidated my distaste for deku getting a quirk as it showed that deku could keep up with top tiers with iq and tech. Truly a missed opportunity

[@dominocut2963]

He wouldn't have the resources to pull something like that off though

[@denzel4933]

Yesssss more My hero content!!!

[@HBpenman]

This was a cool video.

[@tmbpotatoe5975]

I think it's just me but I think it would've been awsome to see deku get into UA while quirkless as it would show how dedicated he was to becoming a hero and how he would've managed, and then still getting all for one after shigarakis attack, as it will show all might that deku would be a great hero without a quirk, but with a quirk, he would be the greatest hero or something like that.

[@dradencake3199]

You good sir, are driving me to basically make an entire response video essay coupled with a discussion about the state of the current MHA story undercutting its initial conflict of the idea "Deku cannot be a Hero while Quirkless" I'm the OPPOSITE of speechless, and this comment could never be big enough for what I have to say 😂 Solid vid even still

[@Br0ku]

tag me when you post

[@dradencake3199]

@@Br0ku Green Light Go I guess haha. I'll be sure to link the vid and anything else you request to discuss your vid.

[@chasesudler3714]

Couldn’t deku just get body modifications like shigaraki to have strength like ofa anyways?

[@Oreo_166]

Not really, given how Dr. Ujiko’s method probably wouldn’t have been exactly considered “legal”…

[@JDWalker495]

He have to find someone that could do that lol. Garaki’s surgery on Shigaraki was one of a kind and it took him decades to perfect

[@downix]

The kid without a quirk can LIFT A FREAKING TRUCK UP A MOUNTAIN OF TRASH!! With just a few months of training he can outdo superhuman strength irl. Add his analytical skill, and you have the potential for a Batman.

[@Daniel_ii_h]

Broku, você poderia fazer um vídeo sobre o asta na terra do Sol? Tipo que ele varreu as nuvens do continentes do Sol

[@coolrod15thecoolest24]

Well yes it does make sense of how Deku could become like the Batman or Iron Man in a way into my hero world without a quirk. I don't think the mangaka/author/creator of MHA probably didn't think that far ahead when making the My Hero Academia world and probably (again probably) forgot about characters like Stain, or Aizawa performing superhuman feats without a quirk enhancement ability like one for all or something similar. But yeah I do agree on what you say despite me getting aggravated with people making argument saying Deku is a worthless character and pointless character because he COULD have be a hero without a quirk but still.

[@masterpink6963]

Could you do a video on how strong the Crawler is?

[@megawill04]

Would be nice to a see a version of deku that pulled an iron man/batman by making his own suit(s), and devices to help restrain villians. While having no quirk

[@Stormanet1]

Imagine if Deku trained tirelessly for good cardio and learned how to make traps lol

[@SamElZombie]

it's weird how people seem to forget that stain, a regular human with a quirk that depends on keeping up with other superhuman heroes, was not only considered a hero killer (meaning that he could keep up and even beat enough heroes to get famous), but also was able to keep up with iida and deku at the same time in terms of speed (both of them move at 65km/h), and withstand several punches from deku at 5%, which is more that enough power to climb buildings and break concrete blocks with ease, and not only that, but to also keep up with iida while using recipro burst, with whom he travels at speeds of 144km/h, only loosing because he got hit mid air and couldn't dodge. All of this depending completely on martial arts and regular tools such as knifes and a katana, in the case he were to get some gadgets he could prob take on any hero under the top 5.

[@milliondoller06]

stain had a quirk that could paralyze others that could give him an edge in battle but still inferior to others that could deal with him easily like all might or any other top hero. That's why he was more of a serial killer and assassin ambushing heroes with his quirk

[@GamerZero00012]

I mean it's possible cause why ? We've seen a lot of heroes from the comics that have no powers at all, yet they can still be a hero JUST fine. Like Iron Man for example, I mean, he's one of the prime example of being a quirkless superhero.

[@krypticbeast9152]

I think if Deku did train before getting ofa would make him generic and boring plus to know the reason why he didn’t is to look at his character in general. He isn’t hopeful, he is a pessimist, his self worth and confidence is extremely low. He never really saw being a hero as being a reality, he saw it as a dream, a fantasy. Do you really think any average teen is going to train just cause he wants to be like Batman, no of course not, yes they would find it cool but in the end would just see it as that “cool”. As for the “he could become a hero with self help gadgets”. This is honestly the most weirdest argument ever as where is an average high school student gonna get high tech gadgets. Yes deku is smart but it not like he is a genius plus where is your average high school student gonna get the funds. People complain saying of he got given ofa and bring up the arguments he could use gadgets but neglect the fact that he is gonna get gadgets from a high tech company without working for it which is the same thing as getting ofa only difference is in one case he is getting help from technology and not a quirk. People use asta and Batman saying that their underdogs and such, yes that is true to a certain extent but compare them to average humans they might as well be gods amongst men. If deku did train before hand and was a genius rich kid then he wouldn’t be deku. I would have to change his character from pessimistic to hopeful, from shy to confident and high self worth and my end result would be a Naruto/asta/batman wannabe generic protagonist. Deku has a lot of character flaws and I find him boring already but this argument is dumb.

[@godpro3189]

I have to disagree just on one thing, yeah quirk users are superhuman even witouth a quirk to boost them but because they have the quirk gene, deku even before ofa was a little superhuman but we dont know if all his feats prior 5% could be still possible even witouth digesting all might hair, plus yeah 5% dont give him a huge buff but compared to what he actually can harness not to what he already had. Still a w broku

[@soul8648]

you could also argue about these guys not having quirks are still heroes, is because they were born with quirks in the first place and been known for that. Therefore, having them quit because of them not having their quirks stolen, doesn't make sense when you look how the hero society works. And sure, you could say that All Might is quirkless, but no one knew that when he was a student and after as he was given One For All by Nana. So All Might, like these guys, already have hero license from the start. Unlike Izuku, who wasn't even known to the public at all besides those close to him for being born quirkless, therefore cannot being hero normally. You can also argue that the hero society was different 55+ years that All Might used to be as 80 years ago, only the chosen ones were allowed to have quirks from the theory

[@alwindanao479]

I have a theory as to why mha characters have such superhuman strength and power. It's called Quirk Body Mutation(QBM). Basically, it's the fact that due to the constant change and mutation that quirk have on their body, the people of mha has to have their human body force to become stronger and tougher in order to handle the strain their quirk give to them. That's why people that have quirk that don't effect their physical strength, and they are still become 2-10times stronger than real life with only needing 1/3 of the time/effort needed.

[@toddmichelic9938]

Agreed that makes the most sense to me because as we've seen people with quirks perform feats that are absolutely insane by our standards but Midori performs some impressive feat it's but nothing that's absolutely insanely impressive without his quirk

[@jeffali5157]

Considering AM using an Iron man suit against AFO somehow, it’s definitely possible instead of what we got

[@soul8648]

Izuku also, Bakugo was pretty much the reason of him to wanting to train. If you think about it, Izuku has Bakugo as a friend since 4 years old. A kid who has been praised for having such a quirk. Bakugo, took it to the heart and had superiority complex that made Bakugo trash Izuku's whole idea of becoming stronger. Subconsciously, could have slowly bought himself into that idea that because he thinks that Bakugo is cool and great, that he has no chance in keeping up since he's quirkless. That also could be a reason as we can see Izuku scared from Bakugo, and he's shy because he doesn't think he has what it takes to stand up to his friend/bully. Now, this could have used for Izuku to TRY and train to become stronger than Bakugo. But Izuku thought about it realistically, and didn't train while following Bakugo around

[@madchatter4032]

Welp seeing the newest chapter 421... This video would be perfect for izuku

[@Mustache99]

He is very clever and know many characteristics about a variaty of quirks so with gadget he could, and for quirk society yes the majority has one but some are like the same as being quirkless and some percentage of population is quirkless Also he could use a gun, wondered why more people didn't carried them

[@krogymania4946]

i'm surprised you did not talk about stain ! who also has a lot of feats with he's "regular human strength"

[@milliondoller06]

Stain has a quirk powerful render his victims powerless going up against powerhouses maybe like Dabi, Shiguraki, Afo is suicide.

[@jamthesnitch9847]

Stain for example, had a quirk which could paralyze people if he gets a taste of their blood. Yet, just by training himself, he was able to become as agile as he was. So yeah, I do think Deku would have had a chance to be a hero even without a quirk if he did the same training Stain did. (or something similar, atleast.)

[@milliondoller06]

No it doesn't and stop using that argument because it's a self defeating point. Stain is more agile than the average person and the average hero so what? How would that give deku a chance and stain literally had to ambush heroes without any support with his Quirk that could paralyze others. If wasn't the fact this man was murking people afterwards

[@grimsongreen3217]

Originally deku was foing to be quirkless, All Might was gonna be a one off character that tells him he can be a hero and we dont see again, and i think the characters were going to be older, like, college age.

[@GMYSTERYICTNF]

A Mashle style story in MHA would be awesome. Maybe if MHA gets a sequel they could have a character like that.

[@astrology_2]

Question, do you think Julius is a high tier character in Black Clover, like top 10?

[@kevintanza6968]

Yeah. Time manipulation is broken.

[@jordandavilabrown294]

Broku I have a question for you, what do you think would happen if Mahito was in My Hero Academia, how far do you think he would go and how much trauma do you think he would give the kids of Class 1-A?

[@shaine9968]

its anime so everyone is superhuman even if they have no powers cause the writers care about physics either way

[@Agent-57]

Deku if he joined UA while quirkless, would probably die against Muscular or in USJ Knucleduster is strong as heck but he also uses a lot of illegal stuff like Bombs, guns, moltovs and is very ruthless which is the only reason he is alive, Deku won't use illegeal weapons or kill people.

[@lWeBeatIt278]

What if that baby that gave in China not early brought quirks to the world but also boosted non quirk users physically abilities to help keep up with quirk users it only make sense because everything need to balance out.

[@cravensword4769]

Yes, I agree that Deku could become a hero quirk less. He just wouldn’t be the main character anymore.

[@Grayson-Winchester]

The story would have been very very different and not centered around Deku anymore. At least not this whole All Might and All for one dilemma

[@rossjones8656]

​@@Grayson-Winchester indeed, that's what I feel like people are missing. For this stuff to be real the story would have to change so much that at that point it's not MHA. People keep saying he could be like batman or Ironman but what they really want is just batman or Ironman in this world.

[@arthurcosta1657]

He could still be

[@animedude8712]

While you make some alright points here and there, I don't fully agree with some things you bring up. While it does look like people who are training seem to develop super strength, that doesn't mean they did. I just don't believe that Deku lifted a truck, and threw it. You have to keep in mind Artest wants to make things dramatic. He most likely had an image of how he wanted it to look and just made it that way. While I can't prove he didn't throw it, you can't prove he did. One other thing you didn't bring up or are avoiding is some of the feast. While characters like Deku, Mirio, Aizawa, and Knuckle Duster are strong, strength alone isn't enough. While all these guys hold their own, they didn't win. When someone with a bigger quirk showed up they couldn't hold out. Also, during the battle with Shinsou and Deku, Deku still used OFA. It's not like he turned it off completely and just battled him without his powers. In the end, Deku still had to rely on OFA to win the day. While it could be possible for Deku to be a hero without a quirk, I don't think he or anyone trying to do that would last long in the hero world. There are just too many powers out there that could easily out due someone with fiscal strength.

[@joshuaericsantos3552]

All might is 255 kg? damn I didn't know he was that heavy

[@EstebabadlGonzales-gz7bp]

If deku could be a qurikless villain he can be a quirkless hero

[@tapeshkumarvijay2205]

Broku how old are you ?

[@JustinL186]

Universal Naruto is so insane

[@user-jw3se7sn1i]

Knuckle is the Goat!

[@Unknown_Narrator]

0:33 Yes, yes it would help. Look at Aizawa, Deku is a hero nerd and yet dont come to think that there are quirks out there that dont do anything for their phsyciality nor give them flashy powers like fire or explosions? Aizawa can take down so many villains and all he does is train his physical body and learn to use a support item. So being a quirkless Hero is easily POSSIBLE which Deku will always be a MASSIVE L for plot stupidity and the same for ALL MIGHT for saying that quirks are needed to be a hero. One of the poor writing of MHA and their MC and logic.

[@Unknown_Narrator]

though this might be the view deku has which was all shaped by Bakugou being the worst side character of all time. (Hate BKDK fans to the core BTW)

[@milliondoller06]

Aizawa literally has a quirk that is powerful enough to deactivate others. The series made it clear that certain people with or without quirks if not very useful on the battlefield are discouraged from participate because they might not be on the same level field with certain villains

[@Unknown_Narrator]

@@milliondoller06 so U agreeing with me or nah

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

I mean, I'm pretty sure having a quirk factor at all makes you superhuman to some extent, but yeah, I can see what you mean

[@guillliandelgado5422]

Like a batman mix with ironman

[@mikemerchant9242]

Hot take: Izuku didn't want to be a hero that badly since he didn't do anything to prepare before he got the one for all.

[@NIN948]

Facts

[@mangafan1._.741]

W ALL FACT

[@estesh8049]

Support item: Blicky

[@Mustache99]

Maybe deku would even be stronger without a quirk at the beginning he was reckless and damaged his body preatty much beyond repair if he trained and used gadgets combined with his insight he could either be a powerfull hero or an amazing side kick

[@razaro3145]

I feel like you still massively downplayed. What he would have been able to accomplish was not only just physical training but with support items. If a very physically weak might can g one-on-one withh all of her one with just support Items. Do you think if he Was in his physical prime with Those support items He would have lost that fight. Not to mention , there's hundreds of other characters You didn't talk about that have done incredibly impressive feats without any form of physical enhancement You didn't even talk about non.Quirk.Related abilities such as stains, blood lust.Or togas ability to erase her presence

[@milliondoller06]

Im sick and tired of this argument Should Deku have a quirk? Yes, if you understand what the story and author was going for. Yes, he could write Deku without a quirk and still be hero but that wasnt the story Hirokoshi didn't want to go for it.funny yall not making the same arguments against luffy when people in his verse can be the most powerful in without a devilfruit or anime protagonist that was granted power. My hero academia wasnt only saying "Can I be a hero, quirkless?"

[@johnconnor8206]

If deku was just Batman I don’t think it would of been as good granted if Deku trained he might be stronger than Batman as every character we see who has a quirk that doesn’t just increase their strength still has super human strength like lamillon he has superhuman strength without his quirk helping out

[@hilyfeyogi]

How is comparing a anima world to human world a valid point?

[@motivationallizard6644]

Yes. Mirio beat the crap out of overhaul without a quirk and pretty much moved at near super human speeds. On top of that All mights fight against all for one proves that there’s tech in the verse to bridge the gap between the top tiers and everyone else, if your smart enough to make it, which deku probably could with his implied intelligence. As strong as current shigaraki? Probably not, but still top tier.

[@rashaanfrater4411]

I like deku but ASTA is my favorite new gen MC

[@tgreeny1400]

Deku should have been batman instead of superman

[@Unknown-xr1iz]

"every hero has a quirk" yes but not all those quirks are good. I always wondered why a guy who can just stop one moving object is a hero but characters like gentle with better quirks couldn't be heros

[@Marshmallowdeer]

I mean eraserhead and shiso are quirkless if they are unable use their quirk against an enemy. In yet eraserhead is a top hero.

[@rashaanfrater4411]

ASTA deku and tanjiro are the new big 3 jujutsu kaisen is on another level but it is already in a trio of its own called the dark trio but I put jujutsu kaisen in a different league of its own 😂😂 but I love black clover my hero academia and demon slayer

[@kevintanza6968]

From a writing perspective, he could have been. Horikoshi could have written the story for that to work. From the perspective of this established universe, I think the All Might suit in the final arc proved that it was viable. Aizawa too, considering his Quirk doesn't have anything to do with his athletic abilities.

[@kevintanza6968]

Plus, Deku using gadgets probably means more Mei Hatsume in the series and I'm all for that.

[@milliondoller06]

They made clear the suit wasn't enough it was supposed to buy some time and to be suicide last act

[@YoungShonen]

Low key a dub vid😮

[@jordanholland616]

He could a been like tony stark

[@milliondoller06]

How could he be literally tony stark without money and tech intelligence

[@apocrypha5062]

Higuruma the Layer vs Damnatio the Judge ⚖️⚖️ Yuta vs Yami 🗡️🗡️ Sukuna vs Shigaraki🤚🏻✋🏻 Mahito vs Shigaraki 🤚🏻✋🏻 Mahito vs Overhaul 🤚🏻✋🏻 Jogo vs Dabi 🔥🔥 Toji vs All Might 💪🏻💪🏻

[@HellFlameGod]

Nah I don't think so.

[@Sjono]

Jack Midoriya 2.0 wouldn’t have been as successful as a manga character as Izuku Midoriya is now Plus anytime we see a Quirkless person like Izuku, Mirio, Knuckleduster and Toshinori go up against a Quirk user they can put up a fight but they’ll eventually end up losing

[@thenobody7509]

could izuku have been a quirkless hero? no, see he couldnt have. he didnt train himself until he was going to get a quirk and all might the number one hero does tell him. No, thus is the reason izuku was given a quirk. we dont know how much of mha vigilents is cannon and how much isnt for all we know only shirokumo is cannon. it is sad but it is the truth and at the end of the story izuku wont be a hero cause he and shigaraki are going to lose their quirks.

[@mightguy3118]

I never understood why make deku a quirkless "underdog" just to give bro the world's strongest quirk on episode 2 and later on give him 6 other powerful quirks alongside it💀

[@kameronbailey6939]

Deku was never an underdog. People just went with that because they read he was quirkless and bullied, and that was it.

[@mightguy3118]

@@kameronbailey6939 he had no quirk and was constantly bullied and looked down and at the end of the story will become the #1 hero. Sounds like a underdog story to me🤷

[@kameronbailey6939]

@mightguy3118 Yeah, but was he REALLY an underdog? Like yes, he was quirkless and bullied, honestly. Why does that make him an underdog? Also, he was bullied for wanting to be a hero, not because he was quirkless (which honestly I'm surprised after re-reading).

[@hyperkirby0143]

No he was definitely bullied for being quirkless too, just take the moment where Bakugou tells him to kill himself to hopefully get a quirk in the next life @@kameronbailey6939

[@kevintanza6968]

​@@kameronbailey6939an underdog is someone who has very little going to his or her favor and everyone else has an edge over him or her. Deku was an underdog in chapter 1. He wasn't once All Might gave him a Quirk.

[@MercenaryX84]

It would've been interesting to see Deku navigate the hero world with no powers, using just his intelligence and strategic mind. Maybe he could've built his own suit similar to the one that All Might would later wear. That would've made his drive and the idea of him becoming the number #1 hero even more special, since he doesn't have a quirk and would have to navigate even harder odds

[@hassentrh2118]

at the end of the day deku didnt train cuz the author wanted his character to be relatable doesnt train doesnt stand up forhimself and gets bullied all the time

[@TheProblemStarters306]

Doomslayer negs Goku verse

[@william12134]

Vigilantes is deku with a shit quirk

[@avoiceacrosstheworld1943]

First

[@hassentrh2118]

congratulations!

[@Prime_Legend]

Alotta this scaling is silly. Pixel scaling is ridiculous

[@Br0ku]

whatever you wanna believe, bud.

[@user-jw3se7sn1i]

@@Br0kuI have to agree it doesn’t follow the intent of the author

[@Br0ku]

author intent is a bunk argument if the author constantly contradicts it. I can just as easily argue author intent because that's actually what's shown on panel. I understand if you disagree though.@@user-jw3se7sn1i

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Sadly I don't think so. Most heroes who don't have super powers are usually super rich guys who are also crazy smart who can build all kinds of insane tech to help shorten the gap between those with powers. Izuku is smart but not in the technical sense.

[@toddmichelic9938]

Agreed from everything that we've seen midoriya is strategically and quark smart but when it comes to actual tech he really ain't that smart like he was fascinated with some of Melissa's tech but he wasn't really able to understand it like most of the tech that happens he doesn't appear to comprehend as well as somebody like hatsumi but when it comes down to Quirk intelligence this man is nuts

[@elemomnialpha]

You hit the nail on the head for why I don't like Deku, man's NO true hero if being told you don't have a super power was all it took to completely break him to the point where he sat on his ass for years doing nothing to try and actually help people He could have tried to be an inventor made support items for other heroes, He could have tried to become a doctor Or as established he could have just done the job without a quirk but bro did NOTHING until being literally handed a golden ticket to the top, didn't even have the drive to prove the haters wrong while also saving lives

[@kameronbailey6939]

So Deku, hearing over and over for that past 14 years by his mom, best friend, classmates, and teachers, that he can't be a hero in a society where having superpowers is seen as important and being recognized on top of finally meeting his hero who also tells him that you can't be a hero without a quirk is just going to be overlooked? Along with contemplating suicide (which honestly should've played more of role), suffering ITE and having no support system until UA. Like, I can't believe I'm saying this, but does MHA need to hold readers' hands more than it already does to get the point across of WHY Deku didn't train? Do people just want him to be like Naruto and Asta, where he just screams "No your wrong. I'll show you all that I quirkless person can be a hero"

[@kevintanza6968]

​@@kameronbailey6939Deku having insecurities is great. Gives a lot of room for growth. But the issue is that he got extremely lucky.

[@kameronbailey6939]

@kevintanza6968 And if he was quirkless, that would apply to him as well. Also, what about Naruto, ichigo, and Asta? Were they not lucky as well?

[@elemomnialpha]

@@kameronbailey6939 no it's evidence that he doesn't ACTUALLY want to help people, he just wants the popularity that the job of hero offers I gave 2 counter examples that if he ACTUALLY wanted to be a hero for the purpose of helping people he could have just become a doctor or made support gear or become a cop/detective (which would also require him to physically train) but he did NOTHING And at least ATTEMPTING to rise up against impossible odds to help others IS A CORE PART OF BEING A TRUE HERO, of shonen protagonist's stories he has one of THE BEST reasons to go "f*ck the haters, I'ma do it anyway" because that's what heroes do AT LEAST TRY, heck that's what ALL MIGHT thinks a true hero is and it's why he gave Deku One For All in the first place

[@elemomnialpha]

@@kameronbailey6939 yes but not remotely close to Deku's extent of luck and their stories were crafted around it where as MHA wasn't which is why it sticks out to people as "luck" it breaks people's suspension of disbelief

[@midgetydeath]

It makes sense given how he was treated for him to not try to be a hero. However, it contradicts his character and dedication once promised a quirk and after getting it. He had all this drive and never used it? That’s ridiculous nonsense. It isn’t even possible as having that drive would cause him to put in the effort. It’s impossible to have drive but you sit on your butt.

[@midgetydeath]

I long have believed Batman used hormone treatments, gene-therapy, etc. combined with his training to bring out the absolute maximum of the human body and mind. Including removing the brain’s limiters on muscles while compensating with artificially strengthening his bones and tendons. Especially since his physical feats mostly are consistent with that.

[@midgetydeath]

I mean, their support tech is so powerful that if I remember correctly its actually not allowed in their tests because it would basically be cheating. If anything, it's powerful enough that I question the point of even using most quirks in hero work at all.