Could Humans Actually Build A Dyson Sphere? | Answers With Joe

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Dyson spheres come up a lot in science fiction, as well as in discussions around alien civilizations. But what are they? Do they exist and the even bigger question... Could humans ever make one?
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Kurzgesagt's video on Dyson Spheres: • How to Build a Dyson S...
Isaac Arthur's video on Dyson Spheres: • Dyson Spheres

[@Phlegm187]

I vacuum my rugs with a Dyson sphere every day what's this guy on about.

[@spruceg00se]

@Al Castill asking the real questions my dude

[@MrTaxiRob]

@Al Castill CATS

[@jamesdavis9036]

LOL

[@anthonym2457]

who tf vacuums every day

[@burbanana]

@@anthonym2457 people who value hygiene

[@dspartridge84]

Aliens "Shit they can see us. Oh they think randomly dimming stars are natural, good we don't have to talk to them yet"

[@ShadowLynx777]

Always presume the most plausible but prepared for the improbable

[@AnMComm]

@Gary Hochstetler there's one less bright star in Pleiades constellation nowadays, for example.

[@AnMComm]

@Gary Hochstetler to be honest, I don't now, but it was depicted differently during the bronze and early iron age. During the bronze age the celestial motifs were all over the place because of agriculture, and iron was originally a "star metal" gained from meteorites, as ore from Earth itself required more difficult approach. And now, one of the stars (or, possibly, a clump of those stars seen as one) shown there is gone. There are others, but this is the one I know of.

[@AnMComm]

@Gary Hochstetler And when, exactly, did I say it couldn't be natural? Whatever it was, it happened before humanity even came to exist in the first place.

[@urmomsbf4934]

Honestly i don't blame them

I think a Dyson swarm has one big advantage: when the time comes to pack things up and run it would be much faster than dismantling a Dyson sphere. It could be rearranged away from the star during the supernova blast and wait for the star to become a white dwarf to rearrange it again.

[@zanly5039]

Sol isn't gonna go supernova iirc, but it's still gonna grow giant so yeah still a good plan lol

[@WinVisten]

Sun-sized stars don't supernova, they make planetary nebulae. Stars need to be at LEAST 8 times as massive as the sun.

[@John-Perry]

I think you underestimate the size of the bang that the sun will make when it dies. We'll want to be very far away, and the swarm might just have to be left behind

[@jready1455]

Or we can make stars go supernova and extract all the energy from the blast

[@matthewhedge8955]

I think just a single nuke would be enough to dismantle a Dyson sphere it doesn’t even have to damage it much just knock it off balance so the sun will swallow it

[@kenduxbury7122]

"The Kardashian Scale": Illustrates the level of continual regression human civilization is capable of.

[@y__h]

We're Type 2+ already there.

[@reversethepolarityoftheneu773]

I read it as kardassian Like the guys in star trek

[@BoBo93212]

@@y__h The ones that already left yeah

[@CrispyCrusader117]

@@reversethepolarityoftheneu773 *lardassians

[@reversethepolarityoftheneu773]

@@CrispyCrusader117 c

[@toddwelsh8353]

"um...Earth." You gotta love the commitment to a running gag.

[@fourthpanda]

Actually got to a point where it was legitimately annoying.

[@richardcheese4680]

fourth panda isn’t so funny the 5th time in a row is what I thought.

[@chaosincarnate7304]

@@fourthpanda If him failing to say Earth annoys you I have no idea how you got so far through regular life without getting a cardiac arrest.

[@fourthpanda]

@@chaosincarnate7304 lol

[@wolfiewoo3371]

@@fourthpanda I actually really liked the joke

[@DERTHIX]

1977 Aliens: “SOS, Help us our world is dying”. 2020 Aliens: “WHY THE HELL HAVEN’T YOU HELPED US”?

[@MegaSandyvagina]

Aliens 2021: "human...the other white meat"...or...or "humans...tastes just like chicken".

[@chrisbraid2907]

Oops sorry Aliens, I read that as Dining and thought you knew that we couldn’t make it ...

[@the7swords]

More like 1977 Aliens: "Oh hi glad to finaly get a message to you." 2020 Aliens: "I thank we need to just stay away form each other.....sorry." #blameCOVID

[@sardoniclysane]

To be fair...signals came from different locations and uh....why would they bother reaching out to a species that barely can leave the atmosphere? (That said I love the joke and I did laugh. I’m not a complete buzz killington)

[@sardoniclysane]

@@MegaSandyvagina we taste like pork. Hence the phrase “longpig”

[@lightsoda7445]

The shell idea is basically like levelling your own house so that you can never pay for utility bills ever again.

[@BuggaBoy69]

It’s like leveling your house so you could build a solar panel big enough to power your (now non-existent) house

[@vincentcleaver1925]

"You can't destroy the Earth! That's where I keep all of my stuff..."

[@stefaness2153]

@J Fz "Look how they massacred my boy"

[@animistchannel2983]

@J Fz Vincent was making a reference to a 1990's superhero spoof cartoon called "The Tick."

[@akgarada]

I know good space movers that can help move your stuff!

[@AXharoth]

nobodies talking about how hard that would be , would we need to wait for lava to cool ?

[@nixord54]

Post-humans: hah, Dyson Sphere goes BRRRR

[@jwbflyer]

Sadly, humanity’s biggest hurdles are social, not technological.

[@ShadowLynx777]

Haha you humans do suck XD you can't even talk with trees

[@resete9274]

This is true to an extent

[@bhanureddy2087]

@@ShadowLynx777 yeah alien bit@h

[@remicaron3191]

This is the truest statement I've ever seen written. I fear we don't have very much more time to figure it out and are cutting that time down with every birth. We speak of equality and merit but only practice in-group and relations. The world today produces approximately $6500/year of "value" yet half don't make that much and a 10,000th of us make much much more. Until we learn that all basic needs of the people must be met and we agree to lower our numbers to a sustainable level we are heading to the end of the HUMAN RACE. And it is most likely already too late since we use up the Earth 3 times faster than it can heal itself. Too bad we couldn't grow up as a people instead of concentrating our efforts for the few at the expense of all of us.

[@ShadowLynx777]

@@bhanureddy2087 Forests were here before y'all, so if you're playing like that, you're the aliens

[@surferdude4487]

"You can't destroy the Earth! That's where I keep all my stuff.". The Tic

[@elbozo5723]

"How do we stop global warming and move towards renewable energy?" Google: You can use solar power, wind power, even fusion and fission... Bing: *BUILD A DYSON SWARM*

[@martspil9848]

well a dyson swarm would basically be full solar power

[@russhamilton3800]

Acting like the earth has a magical optimal temperature is silly. The earth has been much hotter in the past and much colder in the past and it will be again. FFS

[@martspil9848]

@@russhamilton3800 when it was hotter we humans weren’t here, the earth isn’t dying, it will just be harder for humans and many other species to survive. And we do have proof that the CO2 production of humans is causing a new excess which causes this climate change.

[@russhamilton3800]

@@martspil9848 blah blah blah... We cant do anything about it and our contribution is deminimus, both overall and compared to the Chinese.

[@What_In_This_World]

@@russhamilton3800 we totally cause changes to the environment on a global scale, in 2020, due to Covid we produced a far lower amount of CO2 and it made the planet hotter….cause there wasn’t enough CO2 to block enough incoming heat from the sun vs how much there was to trap it, science is weird or some shit

[@robinhammond4446]

The solar wind info is understated, thanks for covering that. If the shell were of uniform thickness, you'd experience only the Sun's gravity when inside the shell. This basically mean all the energy you're trapping arrives beneath your feet.

[@thejesuschrist]

I love you Joe

[@whatsbehindu]

Jesus

[@osikbarbosik]

im an atheist

[@chicanoproletarian]

JESUS ITS GOOD TO SEE YOU

[@chicanoproletarian]

@@osikbarbosik ME TOO

[@nou4898]

god loves u

[@Unotch]

The fact that we never found a Dyson sphere might prove that we are alone .... or just that it is a very dumb idea and that they all have better solutions once they reach a point of technology where they could build one.

[@86BuzzSaw]

Or that we just wouldn't be able to see it as it would be covering their star... Or that its just a very dumb idea.

[@Unotch]

@@86BuzzSaw You know, if we think that they would build a Dyson sphere we also assume that they would need a constant flow of energy equal to a sun. I mean ... what the actual F would they be doing? Charging a billion electrically driven space ships? But while charging the space ships their home planet would be in the dark? I am very sorry but Dyson was a moron - as proven by all the aliens out there NOT building his sphere!

[@patrickcullen2714]

We are definitely not alone and a dyson sphere cannot be built

[@JFrazer4303]

It' a bad S.F. tabloid quality idea, and Dyson never said anything about it. What Dyson talked about is a very different and much better idea and realistic.

[@Unotch]

@@JFrazer4303 Yes of course but the Dyson sphere as we know it is a fabulously stupid idea. You have a monstrous nuclear explosion held in check by gravity and then you are going to build a mantle around it. What does that remind me of?? Ah yes ... A BOMB! What else does it remind me of? Ah yes, no more sunlight on your homeworld. And seriously, how much energy can one use? First you have to develop technology that can USE the power of a sun, like energy/matter transformation, a Star Trek replicator but once you are at that tech level you are not gonna harvest your sun. Not handy enough.

[@zackoleson6766]

Hello Mr Joe a few years back I actually loved your channel but I was a brainwashed conservative and actually unsubscribed from your channel after I heard your opinion on Donald Trump, when I turned 16 I got out of the right wing rabbit hole and I actually couldn't find your channel, I am so glad I just found it again. Love everything you do man!

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

Based

[@Liftindonutts]

I love Donald Trump, but I still love this channel. People need to be able to separate the political views from other aspects of life.

[@chcr18]

@@Liftindonuttsyes you're correct. I'm mixed on Trump because democrats are guilty of most things Trump is accused of, and they just deflect and gaslight us about it. But I just don't care about politics in my daily life. You gotta learn to compartmentalize political feelings. Politics ruin a lot more important things in life.

[@cashnelson2306]

@@Liftindonuttsliterally how are you a person that thinks about things and cares about reality while loving Donald Trump

[@Liftindonutts]

@@cashnelson2306 I don't love everything about Donald Trump. That said, he was the best viable option to lead our country. Hey man, we don't have to agree on everything. That's the problem, people can no longer agree to disagree, it's just hate now.

[@535Computer]

Note to future humans (or post-humans): Build the Dyson Swarm for all of your energy needs, but keep the earth intact and use it as a giant living history museum.

[@MrArchy1986]

Unless future humans can pull matter out of other dimentions, they will need to use earth for building materials to build that sphere. and probably all the rest our solar systems planets.

[@saladinbob]

What history would that be? Snowball Earth? Without the Sun Earth is dying, and if you build the swarm far enough out to enable Earth to be within its orbit, you A) defeat the entire object, and B) throw all sorts of additional gravitational equations into the mix.

[@keenfire8151]

Elon Musk thinks all industrial should be done off planet. So you arent the only one with that mindset.

[@DOSFS]

@@saladinbob If they can build a dyson sphere, they can used portion of those energy to artificially light and warm Earth if they want by using other fantastic technologies that we can't even imagine of at that point.

[@DJaquithFL]

LMAO .. Humanity is way to self-destructive and and incapable of global cooperation. Maybe our replacements if any...

[@PlasmaChannel]

What's that one planet called again?

[@lw4570]

One sec. Its uh. Its... Earth

[@joaovictorhasse1630]

I'm open to corrections, but I heard somowhere it's something like Œrth... I guess?

[@Railstar1976]

"Erf". Which is also, coincidentally, the sound I make when I drop my peanut butter sandwich. It must be a very disappointing place.

[@azhari7968]

Why does everyone on earth keep forgetting that planet name? Smh

[@Hummelsbusch]

Erf. Ers. Ehrve...

[@docferringer]

Good timing for this video! A game called Dyson Sphere Program just entered Steam Early Access. It's sort of like Factorio and Satisfactory had a baby, and that baby decided to build a giant ball to play with. You pick a random star cluster with up to 64 solar systems to mine for resources. They even have neutron stars and black holes, though I am not sure what those do,

[@darthmoomoo]

5:55 Watts per second is a misnomer. Watts already measure the rate of energy use.

[@BasicPoke]

Correct

[@philipeanthonybattung3860]

Watts is Joules per second right?? Oh god my Thermo prof will kill me.

[@Lefygrens]

it is simply joules per second per second O_O mind blown

[@TanaisNL]

@@Lefygrens It's the acceleration of power production/consumption!

[@philipeanthonybattung3860]

@Gerald H but isn't that joules only. So W/s = J/s/s = J

[@Just_Sara]

You know, maybe I'm weird, but the fact that he tells us he loves us means a lot to me. And the fact that it's weird that he says it says a lot about our world today. Thanks for loving us, we love you too.

[@georgeno5300]

You know I finally didn't even think about it this time. I agree with you but thanks for making it weird again.

[@Just_Sara]

@@georgeno5300 My job here is done, then, you’re welcome. 😝

[@danfontaine8179]

You need to get out more

[@maasaiguy1193]

It would be cool to see Joe go through how humans would progress through the stages.

[@PaulPaulPaulson]

Isaac Arthur: Will we build a dyson sphere around each star or just around most stars?

[@cactichris9829]

@Click Bait let’s build one around our planet

[@trzascan]

@@cactichris9829 a little counter productive but you go the spirit

[@mux2000]

I wondered how far down the comments section I'd need to go before seeing Isaac's name. Answer - second comment down 😆

[@choonbox]

Isaac Arthur is quite out-there but it's nice thinking about the far (far) future. Event Horizon is also a great podcast by John Michael Godier. Sublime subjects for an old, curious guy like me.

[@hjk3927]

The sun is a relatively quite and calm star. I guess building Dyson spheres around more active stars will be a bit more challenging.

[@carpenter3069]

Kardashian scale: The amount of money you make increases as your usefulness declines.

[@rednammoc]

You've misspelt Cardassian. I've no idea what a Kardashian was, nor do I care to find out.

[@nicholasluigi]

@@rednammoc Stupid plastic people who do nothing but make so much money its sad.

[@Jmartin_leo]

That sounds just about right...

[@MrPoster42]

Reminds me of the "Peter Principle". Noting that people in a hiarchy tend to be promoted until they reach a job they aren't very good at. Then that's where they stay.

[@ac.creations]

@@rednammoc haha a Dan Murrell joke

[@MrSmity]

I’ve already started on mine. Dyson Sphere Project

[@SIB1963]

"Watts per second"? I think you mean "joules per second", also known as...watts...

[@Piotr_P_M]

I must admit I find it disappointing to see watts used as energy unit on this channel and this throughout the whole episode.

[@redstonerti9918]

@@Piotr_P_M what's wrong with watts

[@aok2075]

@@redstonerti9918 Joules is the unit of energy. Watts are the number of joules per second

[@aok2075]

@@Piotr_P_M These mistakes are easier to make than you realize.

[@y__h]

Aaaaand it goes to 2021 recap episode.

“We don’t have the technology to see close enough.” In 100 years: That alien close to Alpha Centauri is looking straight back at me!

[@mal2ksc]

Even creepier: "That alien was looking straight back at me... five years ago!"

[@bobinthewest8559]

We'll know our telescopes have gotten good when you and the alien can give one another "the nod".

[@bobinthewest8559]

@Brenden Heitzman ... I guess from now on I'll have to announce when I'm joking.

[@protus3882]

intergalactic gang war intensifies

[@joshuatraffanstedt2695]

@Brenden Heitzman yes, we're all aware of that, thank you.

[@JesusChristDenton_7]

Technological Achievement Tier Tier 7: Pre-Industrial Tier 6: Industrial Tier 5: Atomic Age Tier 4: Space Age Tier 3: Space-Faring Tier 2: Interstellar Tier 1: World Builder Tier 0: Transsentient

[@davidnemeth2061]

Sorry Joe but this "Örf" place you keep mentioning? Never heard of it, must be somekind of wacky place.

[@arnom1885]

I use that every time as my planet of origin in RP-games :P

[@chitlitlah]

I may be mistaken, but it sounded like Örþ to me.

[@zynosgd9982]

Anyone not speaking Swedish (or maybe similar nordic languages using ö): What?

[@bullie86]

@@zynosgd9982 nah.

[@markhatvani6785]

@@zynosgd9982 Hungarian, kind of related to Finnish. Earth -> Örf -> Föld

[@teemumiettinen7250]

Mercury has feelings too....and its crying because its surface temperature is 430 *C....we should really release it from its pain...

[@Thoughtmage100]

Agreed, lets help it find its purpose in life.

[@isaiahhurley7942]

2121 be like: micro life on mercury be suffering. STOP THE SPHERE. STOP THE SPHERE! lol and then all we will be rolling in our graves!

[@sixjhontongalamar979]

Yes let's end its suffering... by destroying it ourselves

[@40watt53]

It's like 0 degrees on average, 130 + or - depending on the time. Yes it's in celsius.

[@craigbond1513]

Joe, you should upload these as podcasts on Spotify, would be awesome.

[@jakobfredriksson2272]

Destroying Earth? Earthlings: "Challenge accepted".

[@jonathanseiersen513]

Nice profile picture.

[@chicanoproletarian]

Lmao

[@scottmantooth8785]

*future property values are going to be...interesting*

[@williamh4172]

The earthlings working toward destroying the earth are connected to entities not of this earth...

[@mysticmermaid333]

*whispers* "the mormons were right!" 😂 (My family is LDS, so I find this reference very funny)

[@supercalifragic1551]

I mean, if any Religion is correct it'd be Mormonism. It's the only religion with a logical cosmology and follow through, and purpose of life. Other religions effectively believe in Damnation as a heaven- Damnation being the lack of eternal progress and growth. So if that's you're view of heaven then congrats, that's the heaven Mormons believe you'll get even if you don't follow Mormonism (A heaven without eternal growth. And the lowest tier *may* even be a heaven with blackjack and hookers), just that there is a higher purpose above that eternal life. And the purpose of life is to grow up to become like their predecessor / father / parent. Humans -> Gods.

[@tahunuva4254]

@@supercalifragic1551 Mormons - repeat the same mistakes your parents made! 👍

[@LG123ABC]

@@supercalifragic1551 Yeah, humans tend to make lousy gods so, no thanks.

[@SkaterKing101]

When I imagine a dyson sphere my head goes straight to the Death Star.

[@petergant8767]

We'll build a Death Star, LONG before we have enough raw material to reach out to Earth's orbit, in all three dimensions!

[@TheycallemSavage]

I like how showed a picture of Q while mentioning gods of time space. Bravo.

[@Alex88lee]

As bad as 2020 was, At least we have Joe to tell us he loves us at the end of each video.

[@John_Weiss]

Yep, what Dyson originally meant wasn't a _solid sphere,_ but something now referred to in sci-fi as a "Dyson Swarm". The Orion's Arm Universe Project makes heavy use of spherical Dyson Swarms, as well as Dyson Swarms in other geometries. So, I actually met Freeman Dyson, back when I was in grad-school for physics. [One of the professors in my department knew Dyson, and managed to get him to visit and give a colloquium.] I found him quite humble, and he was a bit perplexed that we were all so honored and impressed to meet him.

[@JaydLawrence]

The book "We Are Legion (We Are Bob)" has a lot of these concepts and is awesome!

[@Chace957]

Fantastic series

[@500midnightmary]

When my husband can't get to sleep at night he tries to design a Dyson sphere in his head. He gets a little farther each time.

[@HeftyYeti8764]

I just want to say that I was here before this man builds a Dyson Sphere

[@ShadowLynx777]

@@HeftyYeti8764 Breaking news, man builds a super space mega structure that can encompass our Sun right out of his back yard. More details at 11

[@clairpahlavi8830]

Edging towards a disappointing reality. They won't function in the hypothesized manner. Although engineering might succeed, it's unlikely they would ever be constructed because the idea is based upon "just stupid". In physics, in economics, in mathematics = won't work, not enough materials, doesn't add up except in fairytales.

[@marcopohl4875]

not to different from how my mind works, maybe I should try that sometime

[@justsomeguywithtattoos6267]

@@clairpahlavi8830 what would in your opinion be a better solution to getting energy once the human race goes extraterrestrial?

[@superposition2644]

5:53 What in the universe is a watt per second? A watt is one joule per second, which is a measurement of power.

[@40watt53]

Acceleration?

[@buckmurdock2025]

@@40watt53 Accelerated increase in voltage, is very well possible. To Watt purpose, I don't know.

[@Dedjkeorrn42]

If you like this video Isaac Arthur goes really in depth with this topic as well as things like it.

[@bakuamad5519]

Check out Accelerando by Charles Stross as well. It's about the possible technological evolution of the human species and talks quite a bit about Matrioshka Brains. They are an all digital version of a dyson swarm.

[@NaRhala]

yeah, Isaac Arthur (youtube) absolutely bestest about all the things. careful cuz its really addictive if u into real, plausible, physics based futuristic thingies : )

[@anno5936]

I found Joe's channel because of Issac... topic was the Fermi Paradox

[@junrosamura645]

I like his topics but I cannot listen to his voice. Unfortunately, it's unbearable for me.

[@solarshado]

@@bakuamad5519 Accelerando's great! I've read it 2-3 times. And you forgot the best part: you can get it for free from Stross's web site: www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/accelerando/accelerando-intro.html (fair warning: the site's a bit slow)

[@nihildomini]

Shows picture of Q. "How can an audience relate to a character that can solve all his problems at the snap of his fingers?"

[@jacksonrathb3076]

Q who ;)

[@karlstruhs3530]

@@jacksonrathb3076 HE GOT BORED

[@That-JC]

Exactly my first thought! Q!

[@Pit.Gutzmann]

The real Q could only solve problems by creating more problems with a snap of his finger...

[@Pit.Gutzmann]

Q is kinda like the God of the Bible...

[@JK-gl7bf]

In Avengers Infiniti Wars Thor and rocket got to a Dyson sphere essentially to forge stormbreaker.

[@heliveruscalion9124]

it kinda was a dyson sphere wasn't it?

[@Al-ok1lj]

Interesting theory. Good one mate!

[@Manie230]

@@heliveruscalion9124 it totally was. But a pretty stupid one because it was only used for one forge. I mean fuck they could have used the energy for so much more but nope they used it for that one forge.

[@Herm.Q-92]

On a much substantially smaller scale because it was around a neutron star, orders of magnitude smaller than the star we refer to as “the sun,” but exponentially more energy output I think is the case. Not 100% sure so don’t proceed to roast me if I’m mistaken.

[@bradwessel9338]

Dude, the writing and editing on this channel, first class all the way. 👍

[@haruruben]

Bot 🤖

[@willh2739]

@@haruruben dude! He's not a bot, he just probably liked the kardashian-kardashev joke, it was funny!

[@haruruben]

@@willh2739 these generic comments are placed by bots

[@TheHandsomeOne]

Joe: Lets built a Dyson Sphere Mercury: My time has come.

[@mohamedb737]

not only mercury but also... how to call it... hmm.. erf?

[@ivannoreland5656]

@@mohamedb737 no

[@Blackhole-go3sx]

@@mohamedb737 I think it's called Eath

[@kykk3365]

...Sends shivers down my spine body's aching all the time Good bye, everybody - I've got to go gotta leave you all behind to face the truth...

[@musicguy20]

Nice pecs bro...

[@brodymears1185]

I love how these videos are perfectly long enough to watch on my lunch break, as well as entertaining and interesting

[@4077Disc]

Why would you want a vacuum cleaner that is shaped like a ball?

[@wolfvale7863]

Aerodynamics.

[@deviantaffinity1626]

So I'm not the only one who thinks about Dyson vacuums every time Dyson spheres get mentioned.

[@brechtstroobant9879]

Vacuum cleaners don't work in a vacuum

[@synccrow114]

360 degrees of sucking is actually the name of my biography.

[@year6million]

@@deviantaffinity1626 i think of dyson spheres every time i see a dyson vaccuum

[@crackedemerald4930]

*humanity reaches type 1* "Congratulations! You finished the tutorial"

[@daedracian9982]

Nice one

[@Mdautkreix]

Problem is we spent the rest of our VC maxing out destructive tech en route to type 1... 🙃 *Great Filter has entered the chat*

[@Bruh4.]

@@Mdautkreix well if we don’t find any aliens we passed the great filter

[@Railstar1976]

*Reapers have entered the chat.*

[@Manie230]

@@Bruh4. wich is the only thing I hope. As soon as we find life elsewhere the countdown begins. And it’s a matter of time that we will be hit by a great filter.

[@tompalmer5986]

I like to think that super advanced civilizations know we're here, and they're watching us to see if we can be trusted with technology.

[@ThingsYouMightLike]

"the Mormon's were right" - Duh, South Park called it years ago.

[@atosz066]

The Expanse

[@daveb5041]

Dude you said the same thing on the last answers with joe video I watched, come up with some some more material.

[@ThingsYouMightLike]

@@daveb5041 me?

[@flyfish20six99]

What were the mormans right about tho.. 🤔 does everyone get their own planet?

[@matthewsperry7847]

Of course we are 😉

[@TaeSunWoo]

(Looks at script)”........Earth” Best laugh I’ve had in a minute

[@Andrew-zq3ip]

I hear things get funnier via repetition

[@DwayneShaw1]

You talk about Dyson spheres (an absurd waste of space and resources) AND science fiction - without mentioning Larry Niven? The effort to accomplish this seems nearly insurmountable - congratulations ..

[@cryptounhinged5680]

Great channel Joe. You cover almost all of the weird stuff I think about constantly. Keep it up!

[@mhoover]

We've already started to build a Dyson sphere. Every solar panel is a piece of one.

[@WackyAmoebatrons]

That would be Dyson Dust :-)

[@brokenwave6125]

Every solar panel is just a piece of one piece of one

[@MTEXX]

Thanks!

[@thingextreme4889]

The "WOW" SETI signal is an encrypted warning from the final boss of 2021.

[@That-JC]

Oh crap.

[@davidsworld5837]

the wow signal was the vote for trump to win just took too long to get here

[@patricksanders858]

Considering that in less than 100 years we went from crawling on the ground to visiting the Moon....5 BILLION years sounds like enough time.

[@sunnyjim1355]

But all Earth's multicellular life will be dead in about 1 billion years because, ironically, there will be no CO2 in the atmosphere - which means no plant life. Only non-photosynthesis/extremophile bacteria will be able to survive then. But yeah, 1 billion years is time enough.

[@kazeshi2]

@@sunnyjim1355 letting our star run its natural course won't happen unless we die out anyway. we should be able to remove heavy elements from our star via star lifting and we can add more hydrogen if we want to extend its lifetime. not that we would necessarily want to as stars are likely not the most efficient way to create and store energy.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

@@kazeshi2 Sapping some of the mass of the sun would also decrease the rate of fusion, counteract the heating of the earth as the sun ages, and would increase the lifespan of the sun.

[@Gorindakia]

@@sunnyjim1355 why won’t there be any CO2 in the atmosphere in a billion years?

[@nobbynoris]

Only that we're not gonna survive the next thousand years the way we're going on.

[@mynameisunknown2368]

How could we ever evolve like this if we’re constantly at war with eachother? In order for this to happen humanity has to understand life and stop killing eachother.

[@Т1000-м1и]

Actually, internet wouldn't exist without WW2

[@IveGotAHondaFifty]

War has always been and probably will always be a big part of our species, we advance technology much faster during wartime and on the downside people die

[@themustardman219]

War and death makes people determined to make technology to stop the war and death. Then wars break out because of the advanced technology which causes death, which makes people determined to stop the war and death. War is a bad time for life, but a good time for technological advances. Plus, even with stuff like this, in the past years, technology has been advancing way more quickly. 100 years ago, we had basically nothing, and shitty living conditions and jobs. 50 years ago, we had some cars and guns being made, with the first computers being made. 20 years ago, we had shitty computers that could run pong or solitaire at best. 10 years ago, decent phones and computers and consoles, games like Skyrim. 5 years ago, we made drones and such. A year ago to today, we now have computers that can store terabytes of data easily, and drones that we can fly on, along with actual retractable plasma based lightsabers, and random people in their garage making laser cannons. Within 10 years, we could probably make something akin to the first iron man suit, without the missiles. Even with horrible conditions, there are those few people that keep on making awesome advances.

[@adriansmith3427]

Wars actually are the driving force of innovation. True wars are shit, but we would not have technology we have now if it wasn't for war!

[@dankhill7917]

That will require one nation to rule the world.

[@merlinwizz3997]

Videos like these give me goosebumps every time! Just the thought of a advanced civilization is encouraging.

[@holocene2164]

I have the exact opposite reaction...

[@mim8312]

Not sure a Dyson sphere or swarm would be "advanced" as opposed to foolish.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@mim8312A small swarm makes sense. You don’t need to capture ALL the sun’s energy. A swarm capturing 1% of Sol’s output would also end our energy issues on Earth

[@RealEstateRonFL]

Man, I totally thought you had done a Dyson Sphere episode.. maybe it's time for one on False Memories? :D

[@mizzshortie907]

I thought so to🤔🙄🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jasondcerny3646]

Same here! Joe, did you do an episode on Tabby's Star, and maybe mention a Dyson Sphere in that?

[@TucoBenedicto]

Mandela Effect? I think he had one.

[@danielbloedorn7983]

He already did a video on false memories i thought.

[@alexanderstewart3039]

Thank you for all the great and positive videos you put out. I also love the affection you have for our species. Please keep up the great work!

[@daveb5041]

*The borg arnt even type two, so a type two would be pretty scary and I hope they dont find that stupid golden record*

[@setcheck67]

Yeah a type 2 is a whole other level of amazing. That's a society that is so advanced that they just don't give a fuck about anything. "Xyrtar a meteor is supposed to hit the planet in a few hours, have you packed my favorite indestructible graphene socks for the trip to Ringworld Gamma B?"

[@stevegrieb6596]

No worries. We've found that the concept behind the Voyager Map is so flawed as to be useless. medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/voyagers-cosmic-map-of-earth-s-location-is-hopelessly-wrong-2affdf9c400c

[@viklaauma9151]

@@stevegrieb6596 Thanks for the link very interesting

[@wyattblaine7066]

"The Mormons were right" fucking sent me lol

[@ZuluLifesaBeech-]

You need to apologize to Mitt Romney.

[@spochan4]

HA I had to replay it just to be sure what I heard!

[@derekbaker2134]

Where was this? I never saw it...

[@heliveruscalion9124]

yeah where was this

[@derekbaker2134]

@@heliveruscalion9124 he whispered it around the time he talked about planets I believe

[@IvicaAnteski]

I think that the Dyson Sphere is a stupid idea. It's so stupid I would compare it to how people in 1800s and 1900s imagined how future would look like. My point is - who knows what ways to create energy could we invent in the future - that would make the dyson spheres look a childish idea :) ... just like we lough when we think of how people in the past imagined our present

[@fcan222]

Please freeze my brain and wake me up when we're at type VI.

[@HSamee]

You'd be so outdated though. Like a Abacus in an age of planetary quantum computers.

[@ShadowLynx777]

@@HSamee But that means they'll have the tech to make his brain into an advanced modern one, the problem fixes itself

[@HSamee]

@@ShadowLynx777 assuming they have technology that's compatible with the current age human physiology. I'm highly doubtful whether humans will be the same creatures they are now by then. we might be the evolutionary equivalent of Darwinius masillae compared to homo sapiens. But hey that's just my pessimistic take on the whole thing. Your opinion is just as valid as mine and speculative as well in terms of accuracy. There is just to many unknowns to assume any outcome of which there are many.

[@ShadowLynx777]

@@HSamee But you don't get it, if they've mastered spacetime and multiverse convergence, they can easily make an adapter for an ancient brain. Your looking at what they will be, I'm looking at what they can do :)

[@HSamee]

@@lakshmiwillowrose5112 all this time I was finding myself, and I didn't know I was lost..

[@TylerStillPlayz355]

2120: We've come prepared for this year... Hears that Dyson swarm is now large enough to block enough light from the sun for life to shrivel on... on... Earth!

[@mcgeorge]

i always thought The Kardashev scale should have more tiers like 1 and 2 great but to jump to 3 as galactic is a massive leap why not level 3 being the energy equivalent of your local star cluster or of a blackhole

[@foogod4237]

I think the idea was that it would be something similar to a log scale (which is often useful when you get into really large ranges of values anyway). That is, each step on the scale doesn't _add_ to the previous, it _multiplies_ it by a given factor each time. But of course the values used for the different steps are arguably kinda arbitrary, so they're not really totally consistent with a log progression either. I did think some time back about trying to develop a similar scale that was actually internally numerically consistent, but never did get around to really trying... (I also think it'd be cool to have a scale that reflected appropriate numbers for earlier civilizations too (i.e. "harness the energy of a wood fire", "harness the energy of a continent", etc)...)

[@loganwolv3393]

Whenever a new unique/weird signal comes in: Everyone - Must be aliens! Magnetars and randomly dimming planets: Am i a joke to you?

[@joed1950]

Thanks so much for the most interesting concepts and ideas in this video. It took me a few minutes to realize you are discussing far future possibilities and necessities. Very interesting. Again, thank you.

[@WesDaviestravel]

You're like a mixture between Tim Roth, Jimmy from Bright Insight, and Howard from Big Bang Theory

[@binalith4898]

wat de heck

[@justinianthegreatandnerd6377]

@@binalith4898 ja

[@freedapeeple2536]

I don't know who Tim Roth is, but I am familiar with the other names. I think it's outrageous to compare Joe Scott favourably with Jimmy from Bright Insight; a man who is a legend in his own mind and doesn't know the truth even when it's spelled out for him in plain, simple english. The only thing bright on his chan happens if you shine a flashlight in your eyes while watching it.

[@DawnDavidson]

Tim Roth from Lie To Me?

[@BrockNorton1985]

you got an actual "psschut" (lol) out of me with kardashian scale.

[@nfdr0kk3rz]

Not to be confused with the cardassian scale

[@valuebasedbusinessbyanders3709]

Watts PER SECOND ??? - Watt is ALREADY defined as 'one Joule per second'

[@Mdautkreix]

*1.21 Gigawatts per second*

[@valuebasedbusinessbyanders3709]

@@Mdautkreix 'watt' is defined as 'energy per second' - you DON'T have 'watt per second' as this would be 'energy per second per second' which makes absolutely no sense..... it was probably just a typo and should have been '1.21 Gigawatt' (no 'per second'). OK?

[@Gameboygenius]

@@valuebasedbusinessbyanders3709 1.21 GW is a reference to Back to the Future. While the movie didn't saw 1.21 GW/s, it could actually make sense as a unit in that case. If the Delorean went from using 0 W to 1.21 GW over the course of 1 s, the change was 1.21 GW/s.

[@valuebasedbusinessbyanders3709]

@@Gameboygenius That sounds like a very contrived explanation - I will still go with 'typo' - I don't think you will find your definition in any real situation or scientific definition. But 10 out of 10 for trying :):).

[@Gameboygenius]

@@valuebasedbusinessbyanders3709 You may need to calibrate your sarcasm detector. It's currently set to wet mode. Make sure it's set to dry.

[@MicJaguar]

I imagine the energy put into a Dynson swarm or sphere would negate what you would get back before the species would figure something else out. Also, the change in gravity while consuming planetary masses would surely create chaos in the solar system. Instead, would it be more feasible to construct a self repairing membrane that can adjust its opacity as needed to allow the Earth to warm and cool on demand. Machines tasked as custodians in a mesh network would maintain and harvest energy on one side and then using microwave or lasers could beam energy to the moon where we house facilities like rail guns for sending packages to other planets or energy in safe ways to Earth all part of a massive collaborative mesh network of energy. The membrane could slowly grow and allow space debra through or be caught. A sort of space web if you will. As hundreds of years pass we would use the growing storage of energy to free up invention of long term mega vessels that could carry machines to the next solar system where they could then plunder resources more quickly without worry of harm coming to our home system. Building new artificial worlds that bridge machine and biological systems. Advances in one system helping the other but evolution of one system would be different than the other yet linked. Am i still typing? Are you still reading? Time for bed. 🤣

[@philmatthews3537]

Q. Could Humans actually build a Dyson sphere? A. No. video ends at 6 seconds.

[@chrisbraid2907]

Correct Answer is : Not Currently.... video ends in ten ....

[@martin3288]

We can but not now

[@squirrelofdoom3830]

@@martin3288 I dont think you grasp the scale. The surface area of the sun is 6,000,000,000,000 square kilometres. If you could cover 1 kilometer per second, it would take 190,000 years. And a Dyson Sphere would need to be built millions of miles from the sun, meaning the area needed to be covered orders of magnitude bigger. Its simple not possible. It would require the resources of millions of solar systems and could not be completed in any kind of realistic timeframe.

[@MrBakersown]

@@squirrelofdoom3830 huh you sound like the people who said we would never leave the planet.

[@squirrelofdoom3830]

@@MrBakersown Not really. See there is a difference in speculating about the theoretical possibility of say, interstellar travel and something that is just ridiculous. A dyson Sphere is proposed to be built 1 AU unit from the star, meaning the surface area would be about 29 trillion square kilometres. Or about 57000 times the area of the Earths surface. Where are you going to get the trillions of tons of metal and glass and cable from? If you had access to the raw material, and we could produce 1,000,000 square kms of the Sphere per day, it would take 77000 years just for the manufacturing.

[@Duo2]

"his world seems a lot more fun than mine" be careful what you wish for.

[@datboi1026]

I like ur pfp my guy

[@thephilosophicalagnostic2177]

First things first. Time to start building O'Neill space colonies.

[@JFrazer4303]

Which is basically what Dyson's original idea was all about, though he wrote about genetically engineered giant space trees that ate comets and grew habitable volumes inside itself (O'Neill hadn't done his work yet).

[@AlanUnpronounceable]

Joe, you need to make a new presenter clone, this one has deteriorated to having to hold the script up to keep talking

[@Guust_Flater]

According to Isaac Arthur : Yes, we could.

[@endsinvention1390]

Isaac is the man.

[@endsinvention1390]

They say if brute force isn’t working... you’re not using enough of it.

[@jtb6737]

We can built, but can we solve the radiation and gravity issues.

[@anthonymoses3697]

Well, he'd probably say that we'd go for a Dyson swarm, not a Dyson sphere.

[@zainkhwaja8688]

Anthony Moses I just watched Issac Arthur before this, and he would

[@uvsmtid]

5:53 Isn't watt already "energy per second"? It should be joule/sec then.

[@popeheely480]

Wait wait wait, mining on Mercury? I hope everyone knows how the DOOM games started.

[@mugwump7049]

Doom has nothing to do with Mercury.

[@popeheely480]

@@mugwump7049 Unless it was Mars?

[@mugwump7049]

@@popeheely480 Yes, more specifically its moons Phobos and Deimos. Mars itself wasn't until Doom 3, and that game was a reboot.

[@popeheely480]

@@mugwump7049 well I feel dumb

[@mugwump7049]

@@popeheely480 It's OK, it happens to the best of us.

[@mooktakim]

There's no need to cover the entire star with swarm. Because orbit is like a disk, you could just capture all the wasted energy, heading out from North and South of the star. You can leave out a stripe in the equator to for planets to get light. You could consume majority of the energy. This also means the planets can still be used for living, Dyson sphere only for collecting energy.

[@mardethkellerman1182]

Too many khan 2-D thinkers, nice to see some 3-D thinkers!

[@parasocial2375]

@@mardethkellerman1182 lol

[@MinibossMakaque]

You can't just position collectors north and south of the star. As you said, orbits are disks. Any collector orbiting over the north must cross though the plane of the solar system into the south. With a full swarm there would always be collectors at the equator, even if none were in an equatorial orbit. Of course, at that level of technology and energy, you could always just have collectors making course corrections to ensure the sun is never obscured from the planets.

[@Dragrath1]

@@MinibossMakaque The dynamics are more complicated but you definitely can make orbits which are stable out of the equatorial plane. They would need to be eccentric orbits and would naturally precess but could easily be designed so they never cross the equator. However if you listen to the video the easiest and most effective solution a statite was already mentioned. A Statite does not orbit instead of using angular momentum to counterbalance gravity like an orbit would a statite cancels out the effects of gravity with radiation pressure instead. As such a statite would remain fixed in position relative to the Sun at all times. In summary in a true Dyson swarm you can have any configuration of collectors you want because the collectors would not be satellites but *statites*. No pesky orbital interactions or transits to worry about. Both Isaac Artur and Cool Worlds have discussed this in a fairly comprehensive manner though cool worlds missed that the idea he proposed quasites already existed as lagites. (though honestly quasites sounds better)

[@MinibossMakaque]

@@Dragrath1 Oh right, he did mention radiation pressure. That's pretty cool. I don't understand how you can have orbits that don't cross the equatorial plane though. Do have a resource where I could learn about that?

[@dominikvereno8404]

5:53 I'm no physics expert, but does Watts/s make sense in this context? Wouldn't it just be Watts, since we are talking about power and not the increase of power?

[@Jay20181]

Yeah i think its either just watts or joule per second

[@smellthel]

I think we could start building a dyson swarm right now instead of harvesting all the earth’s energy.

[@samsawesomeminecraft]

5:53 what's a watt per second? is the power increasing at that rate? Watts per second is Joules per second per second, right?

[@alekz112]

Yeah that got me too, a lot of educational channels run by laymen use watts as a unit of energy. Makes me question the entire video, to be honest. Fortunately, this is just idle entertainment for me. If I really want to passively imbibe credible information, there's always Veritasium, Steve Mould, Braincraft, Kurzgesagt, etc. etc.

[@nobbynoris]

What?

[@hellfire66683]

The watt is the most commonly used unit of measure for power. ... A watt equals a joule per second. If a smart phone uses five joules of energy every second, then the power of the phone is five joules per second, or five watts.

[@isaacthecorncob]

@@alekz112 But, you already know about what he actually meant, so why does it really matter? I mean, if that affects your view of the video or creator then you should probably take a better look at those other channels. They've all made mistakes at some point, and most likely used at least one word where they shouldn't have.

[@alekz112]

@@isaacthecorncob Doesn't really matter, no. Like I said, it's just idle entertainment for me. Chill.

[@orinblank2056]

Been playing Dyson Sphere Program recently, and it's interesting to see the theories that the game mechanics are based around. I recommen the game to anyone who likes games like Factorio, and who deosn't have problems spending hours building an extensive system to automate the construction of a single thing

[@JM-us3fr]

That "Earth" joke never got old for me lol

[@Eyedunno]

Joe sort of hinted at this, but it seems to me that by the time we're capable of far-future technologies like Dyson swarms, or even sending large payloads (like humans and life support systems) on interstellar voyages, we probably won't need these technologies, as simulating minds (either through mind uploading or good old-fashioned AI) is a much easier problem to solve, and would likely reduce the energy needs of our civilization and the need for large payloads to send intelligent beings to other stars. There is the scenario in Charles Stross' Accelerando where our solar system is taken over by essentially a ravenous A.I. virus that does dismantle all planets and moons to create a Dyson swarm, but presumably if future "life" is intelligent and posthuman, it can train itself or reprogram its own minds to restrain these impulses in favor of sustainability.

[@jp3b875]

This is a very thought provoking video! The idea of uploading human consciousness into a computer makes me wonder what kind of experiments (outside of any kind of “Turing Test”, which at best could only confirm that the information content alone in a test subject’s brain has been uploaded) could confirm that the test subject’s conscious awareness has been transferred to the computer. It would be great to have a reliable alternative for survival (e.g., as a computer upload) if some life threatening problem with the Dyson Sphere technology should occur.

[@bigboss-tl2xr]

What kinds of experiments? Only one needed, just a have spouse or sibling ask it a very personal question that no one else could possibly know!

[@matthewray6008]

Dyson Sphere: The only sphere that doesn't lose suction!

[@deathscreton]

Take my thumbs-up dammit.

[@Mdautkreix]

I’m a fan. 👏🏽

[@PhoenixtheII]

Perma suck, we don't make products that suck, we make products that suck, permanentaly.

[@animistchannel2983]

Joe, as much as the "earth" gag was a great running callback, you should have brought up "Starlifting" near the end and finished with "Then at least we can keep... .... ...the earth." Happy ending. Mercury and Venus are likely to get chomped down for building O'Neill Cylinders anyway. They are kinda in the way and full of good stuff we can use; and earth's orbit is more stable without them.

[@EarthenGames]

The algo brought this into my feed which is interestingly just a couple days after reports suggest scientists may have found evidence of Dyson spheres around faraway stars

[@tnvmadhav2442]

Plot twist: Earth is a Dyson sphere and the core is a sun for the micromen

[@onlymediumsteak9005]

Plot twist: Iron Sky is real

[@justnoah2073]

The inner planets of the Solar System and it's alt accounts have disliked this video.

[@FloatingOer]

The background music keeps tricking my brain into thinking there is a phone somewhere nearby that I need to answer

[@halaboly8915]

My favorite part of Mondays!

[@mwam1985]

Sounds like the "Matrix", but with extra steps

[@emilrohrbach9131]

uuuh lala someone‘s going to get laid in college.

[@jhause9404]

Underrated comment

[@DennisRyu]

Funny. There is a game coming out in a week called "The Dyson Sphere Project" where you play a robot flying through the galaxy to build factories that harvest resources of planets to build a dyson sphere. Even more funny is the background story. Humanity build a supercomputer that is able to create a true virtual reality for humanity to live in, but it needs so much power that only a dyson sphere can support it.

[@Macakiux]

8:43 Is when Larry Niven hit like

[@TheGavric]

I stopped the video at 8:42 and headed to the comments. How can you talk about Dyson spheres, mention, "...a ringworld...", and not mention Niven? Man never gets enough credit for his contributions.

[@glen1arthur]

@@TheGavricI am with you man - ringworld far more likely than a Dyson Sphere.

[@glen1arthur]

www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a11183/could-we-build-a-ringworld-17166651/

[@robwealer5416]

Any civilization that can build a structure of this size, does not have energy production problems that would require them to build it...

[@esecallum]

insufficient mass in solar system. to bring mater from other stars would exceed the total energy output of the sun. its A DEAD END

[@morosis82]

Depends on whether the output is higher than the input. You could say exactly the same about solar panels today, except the initial cost of energy is far outweighed by the lifetime production of it by the panel.

[@pingwingugu5]

@@esecallum Sun has a lot of matter that we can use, far more than the planets have. Even if you have fusion reactors why not use the free energy that sun provides? Solar panels are very efficient in space, and if we will build them in space using local materials than they will be dirt cheap. Plus you need a specialized dyson to dissemble the sun for fuel and materials either way.

[@esecallum]

@@pingwingugu5 use it for what? central heating?

[@pingwingugu5]

@@esecallum I don't know... running Crisis 2? You need energy for everything: growing food, climate control, computation, manufacturing, research. You could build a whole matrioshka brain powered by a star that will run deep neural networks to generate up some Disney movies. Why? Well because why not? Stars are quite wasteful, why not disassemble them for fuel that will last you way into the black hole era. Just enough time to re-watch Dragon Ball few times. There is plenty of things to do in this universe.

[@russhamilton3800]

If you have the technology to make a Dyson sphere, you would not have a use for it...

[@goodlight4113]

I was like..."I thought these were all Magnetars" but then he said Proxima Centari. Now you have my attention.