Could Invincible Stop The Saiyans?

Could Invincible Stop The Saiyans?
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Could Invincible Stop The Saiyans? This questions always been on my mind as Invincible and Dragon Ball have alot of similarities like with Saiyans and Viltrumites, Invincible and Gohan both taking on the role of being a superhero, and both Omni Man and Goku are looked are as two big names when it comes to Crossverse Battles. Today we me and Lonks Takes decided to see what would happen if Vegeta and Nappa landed in Invincible, and fought Mark Grayson. Is Dragon Ball / Dragon Ball Z too powerful for the Invincible Universe? Invincible is an adult animated superhero television series created by Robert Kirkman for Amazon Prime Video and premiered on March 25, 2021. Based on the Image Comics series of the same name by Kirkman, Cory Walker, and Ryan Ottley, the show follows 17-year-old Mark Grayson and his transformation into a superhero under the guidance of his father Omni-Man, also known as Nolan Grayson, the most powerful superhero on the planet. During his transformation, Mark finds himself struggling between his personal life and superhero duties, where he will be forced to prove that he can be the hero that his father is. The series stars Steven Yeun, Sandra Oh, and J. K. Simmons as the Grayson family, while the rest of the cast serve as recurring characters. Dragon Ball is a Japanese media franchise created by Akira Toriyama in 1984. The initial manga, written and illustrated by Toriyama, was serialized in Weekly Shōnen Jump from 1984 to 1995, with the 519 individual chapters collected into 42 tankōbon volumes by its publisher Shueisha. Dragon Ball was originally inspired by the classical 16th-century Chinese novel Journey to the West, combined with elements of Hong Kong martial arts films. Dragon Ball characters also use a variety of East Asian martial arts styles, including karate and Wing Chun (kung fu). The series follows the adventures of protagonist Son Goku from his childhood through adulthood as he trains in martial arts. He spends his childhood far from civilization until he meets a teen girl named Bulma, who encourages him to join her quest in exploring the world in search of the seven orbs known as the Dragon Balls, which summon a wish-granting dragon when gathered. Along his journey, Goku makes several other friends, becomes a family man, discovers his alien heritage, and battles a wide variety of villains, many of whom also seek the Dragon Balls. Toriyama's manga was adapted and divided into two anime series produced by Toei Animation: Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, which together were broadcast in Japan from 1986 to 1996. Additionally, the studio has developed 21 animated feature films and three television specials, as well as an anime sequel series titled Dragon Ball GT (1996-1997) and an anime midquel series titled Dragon Ball Super (2015-2018). From 2009 to 2015, a revised version of Dragon Ball Z aired in Japan under the title Dragon Ball Kai, as a recut that follows the manga's story more faithfully by removing most of the material featured exclusively in the anime. Several companies have developed various types of merchandise based on the series leading to a large media franchise that includes films (both animated and live-action), collectible trading card games, action figures, collections of soundtracks, and numerous video games. Dragon Ball has become one of the highest-grossing media franchises of all time.
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#dragonball #dbz #invincible

[@randomyoutuber2633]

Vegeta surpassed King Vegeta as a child. That feat alone would be enough for the saiyans, let alone the fact that Omni-Man, Mark, the laser that weakened the planet and that other guy were needed to destroy a planet, saiyans can just destroy them easily.

[@titantrainer592]

It was a really dense planet and Vegeta has to charge up for quite a while to destroy a planet in the Saiyan arc

[@DHworldwide185]

The other guy was Thaddeus who killed the former emperor but I guess what you’re saying

[@BigJohn303]

@titantrainer592 No he doesn't. According to the dbz guide it takes a mere power level of ten thousand to planet bust.

[@ibrahimmaxamed8180]

Vegeta had to charge up against goku so he doesnt deflect the ki blast@@titantrainer592

[@studiobaguette7781]

But when will ppl understand dat destructive capability isnt strenght or what does u are stronger dan the dude viltrumites are tough and fast asf and dont have big destructive capability. Namek vegeta hell nah mark dont touch him. But saiyan saga vegeta yep mark can win

[@FinalLegend225]

Actually viltrumites don't get rage boosts as stated by conquest mark is half human so he has adrenalin unlike normal viltrumites making him stronger when angry

[@quetzalcoatl1013]

Not entirely sure this is true. As stated in the comics, Viltrumites and Humans are genetically the same, a human-Viltrumite hybrid will grow into a full blooded Viltrumite. Viltrumites are pre-disposed to anger issues. This isn’t a “rage boost” but Viltrumites can and likely are affected by adrenaline in combat. My main example is Mark’s second battle with Conquest, where he ignored getting disemboweled to kill the older viltrumite.

[@dublk5593]

Not necessarily they likely have adrenaline as well it’s just the fact they are trained to keep their emotions in check unlike mark.

[@monkcheese6218]

@@quetzalcoatl1013ur argument literally doesn’t make sense you can’t just say something isn’t the case then use an example where it is the case

[@quetzalcoatl1013]

@@monkcheese6218 I mean that viltrumites don’t receive a dragon ball style rage boost. In DB, a rage boost is strictly a doubling of a users power when undergoing extreme anger. This was important in the earlier arcs of dragon ball. However, a viltrumite doesn’t receive a quantifiable boost to their strength or speed, they just receive the usual benefits of adrenaline.

[@ROBSULL]

​ @quetzalcoatl1013 Rage boosts can vary. Vegeta when he rage boosted against beerus in SSJ2 surpassed SSJ3 goku. That means vegeta's rage boost made him OVER 4x powerful. Given the fact SSJ3 is a 4x boost.

[@vegetacultminorityhunter]

Vegeta would mostly stomp if we use Vegeta stating he surpassed King Vegeta as a child who has a feat calculated at dwarf star level.

[@Eesar11]

Above that easily

[@kingtiger5040]

A non-canon anime filler feat to be precise.

[@gentlepeeps3351]

@@kingtiger5040technically is canon to the anime time line

[@drunkenrage8996]

​@@kingtiger5040Anime and Manga are separate entities. Super makes this far more transparent. As for which is canonical? Both. In fact. So are the movies. Different timelines.

[@BigJohn303]

​@kingtiger5040 Toriyama never claimed the dbz anime only stuff was not canon though. Direct me to an interview of him stating this.

[@DxrkArtz]

Low class saiyans would be top tier viltrumites if they were disguised as some.

[@lucasbroome1048]

Are they moon level? If so, that's around regular Viltrumite level

[@Coldskin1]

​@@lucasbroome1048viltrumites have strenght an speed advantage Even stronger than base buu saga goku.

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@Coldskin1 Do you mean like lifting strength?

[@redrain860]

​@@Coldskin1That's a ridiculous statement. Viltrumites would have their hands full with saibamen alone.

[@thegamingbeast3674]

@@lucasbroome1048 easily actually some of the babies have the potential to be higher actually

[@leektarantino8420]

Nappa flicked his finger and erased an entire city casually while standing in it. If invincible at this point in the show can’t punch with the force of destroying a city minimum 😂he’s not hurting Nappa let alone Vegeta. Also way weaker characters blew up the moon so yea, Invincible will get clapped in one hit

[@chrisbarclay4852]

I’m confuuuused what these 2 are fishing for to justify a fight with mark😂

[@Funwolf47]

​@@chrisbarclay4852they needed a video

[@MariUrameshi]

I agree. I saw someone say Vegeta would win but Nappa wouldn’t which I find crazy 😂 I think a group of saibamen could give Mark trouble

[@drunkenrage8996]

​@@MariUrameshiI made a comment explaining how a drastically nerfed raditz could likely do it lol

[@leektarantino8420]

@@MariUrameshi As I look back in the comments, the Nappa disrespect is crazy 😂😂they making it sound like he doesn’t have any type of fighting skills. Someone also said invincible would grab him and take him to space…as if that’s ever been his first move.

[@Ozi_121]

vegeta's power level is 18,000, and around 10,000 is what is needed to destroy a planet completely. Nappa's power level is somewhere between 4000 and 8000. If we aren't talking about end of series invisible, then he gets squashed by nappa like nappa did to the weak z fighters. But if end of series invisible is used, then invincible wins against nappa mid-high diff and then vegeta finishes him off low diff.

[@Eesar11]

King Vegeta destroyed 3 large planet by waving his hand and he had 10k power

[@Ozi_121]

@Eesar11 If we count filler then yes, which would mean invincible would be squashed either way.

[@CosmicGoku529]

@@Eesar11 That was anime only content and is not canon to Dragon Ball. Therefor it cannot be used as proof of anything.

[@anautisticperson5382]

@@CosmicGoku529 It’s canon. It’s anime canon only tho, the manga doesn’t show it.

[@BigJohn303]

Did you guys forget nappa has great ape ? Once nappa goes great ape it's over.

[@SaiyanCherry]

Short answer: no, Invincible gets walked like a dog.

[@renobenitez1039]

King Vegeta destroyed multiple planets with just raising his hand. Planets in dragon ball are 155 times bigger than the solar system, and Vegeta surpassed his father as a baby, making Vegeta multi solar system level as a baby.

[@EnoYaka]

Planets are 155 times bigger than our solar system??? Where have you heard this?

[@renobenitez1039]

@@EnoYaka “the distance to earth and Jupiter is 4,000,000km. That’s about the size of the earth”

[@XXXOmniAdvocateSupremeYT67]

Even Goku and Piccolo at the end of OG Dragon Ball can destroy the moon hundreds of times over. King Piccolo even stated ne could destroy the earth and kami finger flicked goku who defeated that same guy. Then by the end of dragon ball not even kami and all the z fighters would stand a chance against a heavily injured piccolo

[@marshallyoungmandy8434]

Agreed. It's also extremely easy to argue Roshi is a Planet Buster given how Quick the feat happens(basically nobody saw the moon disappear). The argument people use to lowball OG Dragon Ball to only moon(el manga legendario saying you need more than 10k to blow a Planet) is Just heavily flawed. Because that same Guide also says Vegeta can only Destroy the Earth with the Galick Gun, which i clearly wrong given actual feats. Not to mention even Beerus and Golden Freeza always Brag about being able to Planet bust with an attack(even If they are Universal), you can easily argue it's Just AoE.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Thata actually not true, Piccolo didn't mean that he could vapourise the entire planet but more so merely wipe out all life on Earth plus there's no statements of them being able to destroy the Moon Hundreds of times over which would make them able to rival Vegeta during OG DB which obviously they couldn't because Raditz destroyed both of them and he cannot vapourise a planet. Plus Toryama stated that it tales a power level of exactly 10,000 to destroy a large planet.

[@GooberGlumbus]

​@@CerealExperimentsMizukivia scaling you can argue they can destroy the moon hundreds of times over. In fact there's even a statment which implies such

[@marshallyoungmandy8434]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Toriyama never Said you need 10k to Planet Bust. A guidebook which is secondary to the original manga and anime said so. Furthermore that guidebook Just like any other guidebook has several inconsistencies in It and should be used Very carefully and not seen as gospel. Both Roshi's moon busting feat and Piccolo's moon busting feat have been calced to be Planetary because they happen in seconds, furthermore King Vegeta(who has 10k Power level) and Vegeta have Planet busting feats which are easily Large Planet to Dwarf Star Level given that they Destroy multiple planets at once or a Planet and a moon, also in seconds.

[@marshallyoungmandy8434]

By the same token there is a guidebook which says the Genkidama Vegeta resisted has the energy of a supernova.

[@marshallyoungmandy8434]

King Vegeta's triple Planet busting feat is more so dwarf to small star level than large Planet. The distance between planets is of millions of kilometers and the feat happens in a few seconds. It's One of the crazies Planet busting feats in Dragon Ball. And it's extremely casually done.

[@titantrainer592]

It’s not a canon feat

[@BigJohn303]

@@titantrainer592 Toriyama never once said the z anime only stuff was not canon. Direct me to an interview of him saying this ?

[@leo9184]

@@BigJohn303 naw they all keep saying that lol, don’t listen to them, the people doing the debate in the video is the people u should listen to

[@studiobaguette7781]

​@@leo9184well no ? Cause the video is not bad but there is a lot of mistake in what i did hear

[@Coldskin1]

Not only is it an anime filler not even in dbz kai, the entire bardock revenge and kid vegeta has been retcon.

[@onyx6774]

you didnt mention that Saiyans have rage boost as well. Not only could he adapt to the situation and get stronger while fighting vegeta can also get rage boosts as well.

[@onyx6774]

@@famalam943 yes, saiyans do have a rage boost. Gohan has a better one because he is more emotional Not even saiyans any other characters can get a rage boost. Like Buu as well. Vegeta also possibly got in the cell saga. But cell was so strong especially after coming back that i didnt do much. Wdym the ''My Bulma'' Line Broke the show?

[@onyx6774]

@@famalam943Saiyans does indeed have a rage boost. Even Kid Goku had a rage boost when eighter died. So yea saiyans do have rage boosts.

[@onyx6774]

@famalam943 'Energy, Courage, and Right-Mindedness - The word “energy” [genki] is well-known, but if one asks if you do not have energy if you have even one sickness [byōki], it is difficult to come up with an answer. There are people who are healthy yet do not have any energy, and there are people who are sick, yet full of energy. Plus, even among people who have roughly the same power, for example, there were people who gritted their teeth and stood their ground when Piccolo Daimaō attacked them, yet there were also people who trembled and fled. Thinking about it this way, perhaps you will understand that a variety of different “ki” are indispensable in battle. In the world of Chinese martial arts, exemplified by T’ai-chi Ch’uan, ki training and control is given great importance.'' ''In Dragon Ball, the dark mage Babidi invented a machine that measures and absorbs ki, but current science cannot measure ki levels or store it anywhere. However, when someone cheers you on, you can “receive energy and courage [yūki]” from them. “Ki” is something that cannot be seen with the eyes, yet it is there.'' Akiras words. Rage boost was already a thing in Z Also Vegeta got a power up by simply being salty of Goku. Even the way Goku achieved ssj it was from a rage boost. There is also Buu. Ki comes in many forms and emotion also contributes to it. There was definetly Rage boosts in Z. Anyway even if you ignore this. they where added in Super so yea EVERY SAIYAN now has rage boosts, power ups related to their emotions. which makes sense since the only way to achieve normal ssj 1 and 2 is through rage. Hate Super all you want but saying that ''My Bulma'' line broke the show, you are insane. anyway tired of talking about this. if you reply i wont.

[@DarkDyllon]

@@onyx6774 but Goku also was more raised as a human, which doesn't completely overwrite his saiyan DNA, but it still influenced him to be more in contact with his emotional side. Vegeta early DBZ (and even in the android/cell saga) couldn't do this, he could get mad, but that wouldn't give you a massive power boost. Vegeta only really learned about his own emotions during the Perfect Cell fight where Trunks gets killed, he then still surpressed it and tried to force a family life, which he then tried to toss out with babidi, after that he's basically in tune with his emotions.

[@DeviTLR]

​@@onyx6774 left out the literal embodiement of saiyan rage which is broly. Who kept getting stronger the angrier he got.

[@tseyazmutseyami1402]

There is no way in hell Mark will do shit to Nappa

[@AmericaChavez17]

It will just be him fighting a much stronger Conquest

[@mazensultan2576]

@@AmericaChavez17 that can blow up a planet

[@AmericaChavez17]

@@mazensultan2576 not just blow up, but also survive an explosion since in the Invincible series, it was confirmed by Space Racer that even Thragg cannot survive a planetary explosion

[@generalmituna7042]

Invincible gets dog walked. Vegeta and Nappa are able to casually blow up planets with a simple ki blast and I don't think a single Invincible character can even destroy a moon.

[@lucasbroome1048]

When has Nappa destroyed a moon?

[@sageoverheaven]

​@@lucasbroome1048 Scales way past 21st Budokai Roshi, who oneshot the moon with a Kamehameha. Also scales past Piccolo, who oneshot the moon again in the Saiyan Saga prelude with a casual ki blast.

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@sageoverheaven I'm pretty sure a similar scaling chain can put the Viltrumites on Nappa's level

[@sageoverheaven]

@@lucasbroome1048 Not contesting this, since I haven't read Invincible. I was simply answering your question.

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@sageoverheaven It was rhetorical. I knew why Nappa was considered Small Planet Level. I was just throwing his own point of view back at him

[@basiliimakedonas1109]

Oozaru Nappa would wipe the floor with Mark. Mark being very fast though if he somehow found out could maybe cut their tails

[@Coldskin1]

Not really vitrumites have better speed and strenght feets. Wow buu saga base goku struggling with 40 tons💀

[@eror404acountnotfound9]

​@Coldskin1 that was anime filler and goku lifted katchin the most dence metal in the universe with one hand casually and threw it

[@default5790]

Crazy the levels The Saiyans are at now compared to when Raditz first turned up.

[@Pur-evl-flsh-horr]

Mark vs raditz should be fair

[@lucasbroome1048]

I think that's lowballing Mark slightly

[@fakeenrico]

LETS GOOOO. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS COLLAB 😭.

[@sarge4285]

Saiyans are just built different, way before ssj, they we're already faster than the speed of light, and strong enough to destroy a planet

[@yashaoftheflames8475]

Mark ain't even getting to nappa. The saibaman are jumping his ass

[@lucasbroome1048]

With what small planet level feats?

[@voxtube4396]

​@@lucasbroome1048 just roshi alone was able to destroy the moon woth a power level around 200 to 139 or something while saibamens are all around 1000. Not to talk about vegeta scouter that by throwing a small beam destroyed a planet. And wasn't small either

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@voxtube4396 Nobody besides Kaioken scales to Vegeta and destroying a moon isn't small planet level

[@BenDover-zp7bu]

Destroying a moon isnt small planet level but being 5 times stronger than a guy who destroyed the moon​ does make you small planet level@@lucasbroome1048

[@voxtube4396]

@@lucasbroome1048 isn't but considering how weak compared to other characters is just goes to show how strong the others are

[@wukongisas9564]

Yeah i agree Nappa would get his ass beat and Vegeta would win, like not only is Vegeta like blatantly way stronger than Marc but also way more skilled (swap hands with Goku who post training with king kai is stated to have thousand of years worth of training and be the greatest martial artist in the universe on a mental and physical level) so like outside of speed this man's going to get bullied

[@AngelloDelNorte]

Nappa is planet level though. Mark is continental+ level seeing he destroyed an unstable (or something) planet with two other viltrumites.

[@brandonscott5544]

SAIYAN SERIOUSLY INVINCIBLE VS NAPPA AND VEGETA SAIYAN SAGA.

[@lucasbroome1048]

King Kai having thousands of years of experience isn't any different than a Viltrumite tbh

[@dangerousdays2052]

@@AngelloDelNorte Loool, are you serious? Roshi could destroy moons and Nappa was nearly 30x stronger than him. Mark is literally weaker than Goku when Raditz one shotted Goku lol. 😂😂

[@getblooned3092]

Good job on hammering hone the facts dude!

[@mangabot302]

Here is something that I think shouldn't be considered a feat, the King Vegeta feat ( in my opinion ) was to show how the Saiyans conquer and destroy planets. I doubt that King Vegeta actually blows up nearby planets, and like I said is to represent how the Saiyans take over and destroy worlds

[@marshallyoungmandy8434]

Not a Very good argument. If it's meant to show how the saiyans Destroy planets, then It can Just as easily be meant to show their real Power, we don't try to guess the intent of the author in vs battle(pretty pointless, also Death of the author). The Best you could argue is that we should not take the cinematic timing of the feat for it's inconsistency. If you Want an "in lore" reason to accept the feat, you can Just look How extremely casually Piccolo can moon bust(also super Quick), as well as the fact Vegeta in the Buu Saga compares saiyans to Buu's Destruction of planets and other celestial bodies like stars. You also have guides that claim saiyan saga is star level. It's not as Crazy as you think.

[@mangabot302]

Well I never said that King Vegeta couldn't do what was shown, I just think it represented the Saiyans taking over and destroying planets@@marshallyoungmandy8434

[@Goji-C]

Crisp editing this video was so satisfying to watch

[@havoc2781]

This is one of the calmest intros from this guy I have seen so far

[@drunkenrage8996]

I think it's crazy to think that Mark is around the 8 to 9 thousand range. He certainly has a lot of speed feats; that's not something to argue against. But in terms of durability and strength, I doubt he'd even be comparable to Raditz. Yeah, I know, people are going to yell that I'm wanking. But hear me out first. Roshi blew up the moon. If you watch the anime, this moon-busting feat was almost instantaneously done and is relativistic to light speed. In fact, it could be argued as potentially nearly equal with how fast the light hit the characters since light IRL takes around 1.2 seconds to reach Earth from the moon. I believe the key difference as to why people bring up Piccolo and his moon-busting is because it vaporized the moon rather than Roshi, who blew it into tiny chunks. Vaporizing something is obviously far superior to just turning it into smaller pieces, each of which burned in the atmosphere really fast though since there was no light show/meteor shower. Piccolo also did it as a simple uncharged ki blast, whereas Master Roshi did it at full power, exhausting himself. So there's good rationale to use Piccolo. But I think Roshi's feat is already pretty damn close and can easily be scaled to a planetary feat with at least relativistic light speed. Roshi had a power level of 180, and he was self-admittedly weaker than every Z fighter during the last tournament of OG DB. He was also still weaker than King Piccolo, whom Tien was confident he could one-shot with his tri-beam. And both were weaker than Kami, who could defeat the Goku who killed King Piccolo, with nothing but a flick of his finger. Yet despite this massive jump in power for Tien and this powerhouse Kami, everyone agreed with Piccolo that all of them attacking together were unable to win, despite him being exhausted and beaten bloody by Goku. The only one who stood a chance was Goku, a crippled man at this point. This just goes to show you the major power gaps that have already come up. We don't actually know the true gap in power between Goku having 910 during this tournament and Roshi with his 180. The reason we don't know is because Dragon Ball power levels used to scale wacky and be massively more powerful with even smaller increases. An example is that of the start of the series Kid Goku with a power level of 10 throwing cars, tanking bullets, and having bladed weapons shatter against him mostly unharmed...far stronger than an average human who has a power level of 5. And don't even begin to speak of the differences between 5 and 180; clearly, the farmer is millions of times, probably more, weaker than the moon-busting feat. He's not anywhere close to 1/16th of that. But DBZ makes power scaling more linear. But, even then, we don't exactly know when this happens. As it seems a little strange that around 4 years of training only makes Goku go from 910 to 924. Anyway, now that that's out of the way, let's just assume the lowest for Raditz. There's plenty of material to grab from which places him above 1200. But let's do it anyway. So he's, being incredibly generous to Invincible here, he's 7 times stronger than moon-busting Roshi. Characters in Dragon Ball physically scale to their Ki blasts. It's pretty common for characters to both physically dodge them and physically tank, catch, and even throw/punch them away like when Goku punched one of Frieza's into a nearby planet causing it to combust. These feats almost always happen when people are relative to one another. It actually barely happens when people are being supremely dominated, such as with Perfect Cell vs Vegeta. Raditz would be able to easily catch an attack that's 5 times stronger than Roshi blowing up the moon. (Likely far more) (hell, if we take the sacred water Goku at its word, it's implied the Goku who killed King Piccolo is at least 10 times stronger than he was during his fight with Tien. And Tien, Goku, and Roshi were all basically equal before drinking.) He could catch it when it's going at him full force, easily crush it in his arms, or throw it, or even just tank/dodge. Physically this would place him far beyond the best feats of the Invincible comic. Ramming through a planet. And that was done by 3 Viltrumites together, mind you. So no, I don't believe I'm wanking Raditz. DBZ just has stupidly high scaling compared to a lot of shows, and original Dragon Ball just ain't given the respect it deserves from a scaling standpoint. And yeah. Whatever, people can say im a dragon ball tard. But that's not an argument. Dragon ball gets absolutely crapped on ny numerous media which weirdly enough even includes WARHAMMER 40K. YEA, that was a shock to me too. I just like to be consistent with my scaling regardless of who it's on. And if you think I'm arguing because I like raditz more than invincible? No. Raditz and Nappa are boring ass characters, invincible is far superior as a character to both of them combined. But the fight, to me, is like throwing guts from berserk against fat buu. Obviously guts is a better written character. But at the same time. It's obvious he cant do anything.

[@Zeno1781]

Even then dbz power levels aren't linear 50% final form frieza who is only 333,333x stronger than roshi fp is solar system ~ universal Universal via the fact he could tank and survive the spirit bomb which had the energy of EVERY PLANET AND STAR IN THE UNIVERSE. A SINGULAR SOLAR SYSTEM in dragon ball has innumerable stars. Im PRETTY SURE the difference between a moon buster - solar system if not UNIVERSAL isn't just a 333,333x difference 💀

[@drunkenrage8996]

@@Zeno1781 I disagree with the fact that frieza is anywhere near universal. But, if that's how you interpret it, I suppose. Personally I think that frieza is around large star to multi star level when he's in his final form.

[@Kodeuk]

@@drunkenrage8996u can scale final form Frieza to solar system level because when he blow up planet Namek the explosion was so strong that it showed the explosion from the zoomed out galaxy

[@drunkenrage8996]

@@Kodeuk kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX3KaYh7eaapY9ksi=vq4a-VMntrS63Yh3 I don't think that's what they're showing. I skipped to the explosion and it was large. But it also just seemed to be a view from the moon of namek. Due to limitations there's a maximum distance from the planet a moln can be, and the explosion never hurt the moon itself. I also don't believe that frieza was even the thing to make it explode in this way. Frieza merely started a process for this planetary destruction. He could have done it instantly. But he never did it that way because he wanted to prove he was stronger. The planet being destroyed was merely a pathetic fit of rage for if he lost. Since if he really was weaker than goku. He'd be damned to let goku leave alive. (EDIT:) Additionally. This scene with the planet exploding, with goku on it....."dying." Is symbolic, not literal. Although I personally believe that it makes no sense for king ki failing to notice goku survived.

[@Kodeuk]

@@drunkenrage8996 im not talking about that scene lol I’m talking about the planet explosion itself showing the explosion from a zoom out galaxy. And I have the scans for it

[@GoonBuzz]

Hello bro I’ve been watching both ur channels the cobra Kai one Tylern and this one and just realised it’s the same person I would just like to say ur videos are amazing

[@Tylearned]

Thanks goat🕺

[@wukongisas9564]

I'm glad i wasn't the only one who at one point was like "wait hold on that's the same dude"

[@mickeythejack9506]

Love the new content

[@athosanime]

I have to say I absolutely love your thumbnails

[@murillodaniel9208]

I guess a different scenario would be: "Can Vegeta and Nappa defeat the Vultrimite Empire?"

[@Multiversechris7154]

Bardock wins Neg difficulty

[@refuser_10]

Step one: Raise a finger and destroy Viltrum. Step two: Success

[@millardbaldwin7650]

I genuinely hate how invincible fans keep trying to scale viltrimites to faster than light. I get there travel speed is that, but there is absolutely no feat in the show that shows there combat speed is even close to that. If we are saying viltrimite combat speed is FTL, you are saying angstrom levy, immortal, mauler twins, and battle beast are all FTL. This is extremely bad when you watch the season one episode with battle beast. Since average humans were fighting him without getting speed blitz. So everyone shouting that viltrimite battle speed is FTL. Is saying that black Samson and duplikate are also FTL, since they were able to fight battle beast without getting speed blitzed. Also the kaiju was implied to have been able to beat Omni-man whenever he was amped by the government. We are really going to be saying with a straight face that the kaju’s attacks were FTL?

[@Lorfo11]

Agreed. If we were to put this on a much lower scale, we could say that Viltrumites fly at Falcon speed (which is around 150km/h or 93mph for the top Horizontal Flight speed), which makes them extremely fast in a straight flight, but they'd have to be much slower in order to properly fight and move around their foes. Doesn't mean they couldn't zoom around and charge up a Light Speed punch, but that kind of speed takes some load up. That's why we see them fight at a more grounded (pun intended) speed in the Show and Comics. They simply can't keep that speed up all the time.

[@eaglest0554]

I feel like the thing that makes dragon ball and invincible interesting from a scaling pov is how crazy the speed values in invincible and the durability in dragon ball are, it's basically unstoppable force vs indestructible object.

[@Balrog-tf3bg]

Only way Marks escaping Vegeta is if he goes full speed into space. As we’ve seen, when a viltrumite gets hit too hard, their body usually explodes or something, when Vegeta got crushed by a giant baby gorilla he was still able to crawl away

[@DamonWhatif]

Goated video bro

[@chrisbarclay4852]

I ain’t finished but why these two dudes casually taking like saiyans don’t get rage boost too? I keep hearing oh mark might rage this n that

[@DerpEpicFace32onXbox]

This is massive wank to Invincible. Nappa alone would lay waste to every Viltrumite and its not even close

[@lucasbroome1048]

What's wank is thinking Nappa solos a verse he'd have trouble even seeing fodder characters move. Plus, he's just not stronger than any named Viltrumite

[@tttttttttttttttp12]

​@@lucasbroome1048 It took three strong Viltrumites a lot of effort to destroy one small dying planet. Roshi and Piccolo easily blew up the moon in one ki blast and one kamehameha, and at this point Nappa is already several times stronger than both combined. Even if we lowballed Nappa and highballed all the Viltrumites, Nappa wins on strength alone, not to mention speed.

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@tttttttttttttttp12 You don't know the information you're spewing. Viltrum is bigger than Earth, and would have restabilized if the Viltrumites didn't hit it. Why do you think Thragg killed Thaddeus instead of Space Racer who shot the planet? Highballing the Viltrumites puts them at star level because Viltrum could be argued to be denser than stars, yet needed the Viltrumites to ram through it. That's like Android tier. Mid ball places the Viltrumites on Nappa's level while being faster than every single person during the Saiyan Saga. Lowball places them at moon level, which still places Thragg on the same level as Raditz Nappa has no strength advantage, and there is no argument to be had for the Saiyans involving speed

[@tttttttttttttttp12]

@@lucasbroome1048 whatever uncle grandpa soloes fiction so who cares

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@tttttttttttttttp12 As long as Invincible solos Nappa

[@cloudshifter]

4:20 Don't forget that characters can raise their power level significantly by concentrating all their energy into a singular point (Raditz statement) where essentially someone with the power level to not be able to destroy something such as a moon could potentially be able to do so by concentrating enough energy into a blast that exceeds the threshold required to do so. At the same time based on the distance a blast that wouldn't have much effect on a planet can destroy it if it's further away as shown numerous times in the series with villains going further into the atmosphere away from the planet so that their blasts can destroy it.

[@robertmurray6977]

What about Mark 1000 years in the time chamber vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta 1 year in the time chamber.

[@OldNameGhxst]

This is probably the only video where power level are taken into consideration and are treated as a fact

[@saikyy1180]

bro mark doesnt get past nappa, these guys are speaking bs. Plus what he said in 6:49 to 6:56 makes no sense😂. “Mark should be faster than vegeta but giving the fact that vegeta is both stronger and faster”.like huh?

[@decimation9780]

Unfortunately, Mark is probably getting washed by Nappa alone. While yes he’s absolutely so much faster than either Vegeta or Nappa, in terms of AP and defence, he’s incredibly and woefully inadequate, to the point that him punching Nappa would result in Mark likely shattering the bones in his arm. Through Roshi being able to blow up the moon in early DB, even though he only had a PL of 180, it shows that even very weak characters in Dragon Ball far surpass pretty much everyone in Invincible simply because of the difference in scaling. End of series Mark might be capable of going up against Nappa, but then he’s getting rinsed by Vegeta with no real difficulty asides from him being so much faster, which really only prolongs the fight and not much else.

[@lucasbroome1048]

Mark is already above moon busting tho. I don't know why everyone puts him below it

[@decimation9780]

@@lucasbroome1048 Cool, so that puts him at a pl of… what? Like 300? Compared to Nappa's 4000?

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@decimation9780 What the heck are you guessing off of? There are no power levels in Invincible

[@decimation9780]

@@lucasbroome1048 Him busting a moon. For Roshi it was extremely difficult, and he had a pl of 180, for Piccolo it was extremely casual, and he had a pl of around 780. Splitting the difference, it’d be around 300-350 for Mark. Putting him around medium moon level, which is still woefully inadequate.

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@decimation9780 I'm saying where did you get the numbers for Invincible. Are you comparing Piccolo blowing up a moon to Invincible blowing up a moon? A planet is what was destroyed. Not a moon. It was even bigger than Earth

[@kj12351]

When Piccolo blew up the Moon, he did that later the same day they beat Raditz, so Piccolo was still tired. Raditz also took the same attack ( might have been more powerful as Piccolo wasn't tired ) to the face with no damage. Unless Invincible can use ki or pack planet lvl strenght, he's not gonna hurt Nappa. The guys in Db can also pack planet or universal lvls of power in blast and keep it in a small area without blowing much, we have seen that in every fight in Z.

[@MisanthropyPure]

Very interesting video.

[@deeperestmeme479]

Who is setting up my boy for failure! He’s maybe getting through Nappa

[@nasQuickToReact]

idk bout that

[@timetellnolies9425]

​@@nasQuickToReact naw he may be able to get mappa

[@emerald_sustrai2002]

How about comic book mark will he still win?

[@refuser_10]

If Nappa has a hearth attack, then yeah, maybe

[@lonkstakes]

Damn this video is peak

[@Tylearned]

We are invin-

[@matthiasrauert8397]

I'd say power lvls are only nonlinear until they reach a couple thousand, as from the beginning of Z to the end of the Freeza Saga where it is consistently shown that u need to be a certain percentage stronger than ur opponent to perform certain feats. Important to mention though that in og DB they can't be linear seeing as a normal farmer has 5, while Goku who can beat up huge monsters and tank gun shots has only 10 and even Master Roshi reaches barely 140 when he blows up the moon. So there is only a difference of little over a 100 between a normal guy and a moon buste. Imagine if it stayed like that and what a guy with only a couple thousand could have done following the early system. Btw. could be a cool vid to approximate the capabilities of Z power lvls going by db scaling.

[@lucasbroome1048]

Invincible would make it to Nappa in strength and durability. I personally don't think Lonk's Takes is a reliable source for Invincible if you are unfamiliar with the comic. He should be as strong, WAY faster as he is MFTL, Small Planet Level, better stamina, and can survive in space. He also outclasses in lifting strength. I don't think he defeats Vegeta in power, but I actually think he surpasses Vegeta in every other factor. I see a lot of people in the comments making ignorant claims about Invincible, but they really don't know their stuff about Invincible like they do for Dragon Ball which shows more bias than actual knowledge on the character. With wonky ABC scaling, Mark could also surpass Vegeta because of other characters like Supreme and Solar Man if we took King Vegeta's filler feat. This isn't a stomp like people are saying. Nobody around Raditz' level is getting Mark's attention

[@lantzcranford]

the saiyans stomp and its not close earth in db is clac to be 1/3 the size of the sun and the destructive power for this was clac to be multi solor system- multi galaxy level because of namek explosion destroyed the galaxy not just that the moon level feat done by roshi is dawf star level of ap and garlic jr can make superspaces that are 5D take that if you want and vegeta stated that a saiyan can do the same thing buu did when buu was controlled by Bibidi

[@Nirakolov]

I'd put Invincible's power level (as of Season 1 of the animated series cuz IDK) at around 250

[@xx_hivewars_xx9013]

Magnificent.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Lmao mark gets blitzed by Nappa. The saiyans have much superior combat speed

[@lucasbroome1048]

Viltrumites are comfortably MFTL+ with plenty of feats of them using that speed in combat. But I'll just say their combat speed is equal to their travel speed

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@lucasbroome1048 I'll take Omniman not being able to blitz reanimen and not being able to tag Cecil for $500. Or better yet, literally not being able to dodged the super satellite Lazer beam lmao But keep thinking their reactions/combat speed scales to their traverse speed to wank.

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@SuperKamiGuruu Literally none of that happened in the comic Cecil wasn't teleporting himself The Reanimen only get scaled up just like Vegeta upscales from his father. You can't pick one over the other The orbital hammer is straight up a laser. Nolan's dodged lasers before. You even saw a prelude to a character whose lasers Nolan had diffed in the show where you clearly got all of your Invincible info from

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@SuperKamiGuruu You gonna cashapp that $500 btw?

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@lucasbroome1048 Yeah use the reanimen tagging Omniman to upscale them rather than call out the ridiculously inconsistent showings. Vegeta was always blatantly stronger than his dad so that comparison was shite. And dodging a LS laser puts Comic Nolan nowhere near his actual traverse speed still lmao

[@odin....]

My take on how strong these guys are Invincible Strength: multi continental-planetary mabye solar system level with wank Speed: light speed-mftl+ Saiba men Strength: small planetary Speed: ftl Nappa Strength: small planetary Speed: ftl+ base vegeta Strength: planetary-multi planetary Speed: ftl+-mftl Ozaru vegeta Strength: multi planetary Speed: mftl-mftl+

[@kingtiger5040]

Invincible isn't even planetary unless you wank him or shoddy crossover logic.

[@Jsipki265]

How tf you get solar with mark?

[@odin....]

@zoltbruh276 it's stated in the guide books that omnipotus could contain enough power to destroy a solar system and invisible is way above him. This is extremely inconsistent though which is why I put it as wanked scaling.

[@lucasbroome1048]

I have Mark at small planetary. I have a feeling the Saibamen being small planetary involves a lot of math. And Idk about FTL Saiyan Saga unless we're looking into Toei composite versions

[@TheSuperCasual2914]

Nappa: Hey Vegeta! Look. *Title Screen to Invincible starts to play.*

[@daddyGbaby]

Nice!

[@uzookafor8721]

Nappa would defeat mark.hes comfortably in the star level tier

[@kingtiger5040]

With what feats.

[@uzookafor8721]

@@kingtiger5040 the moon 🌕 in dragon ball is at least 4 times bigger than our regular own,master Roshi vapuorized it putting it at least large planetary.kid Goku has surpassed that level of power, even piccolo many times.vageta and nappa are leagues above raditz who fodderized Goku and piccolo who easily have large planetary to dwarf star level power.

[@kingtiger5040]

The King Vegeta feat is non-canon anime feat so don't use it as a valid feat and the same can also be said for Vegeta and Nappa blowing up the planet.Piccolo was 300 when blowing up the moon not 3500 as far as I know.Vegeta isn't a valid planet-buster due to not only never blowing up one in canon but also by calculating the average power level required blow overcome the Earth's binding energy. According to Daizenshuu Master Roshi=139 Semi-buff Roshi=180 Buff Roshi is most likely 200+ and used the kamehameha to blow up it.The energy required to blow up the Moon is 1800 times weaker than that used to destroy the Earth.The Earth is 81 times the size of the moon.Omni-man's meteor feat is calculated at moon-level and he needed help from Mark,Thadeus and Space Racer in order to fly through the core of Viltrum and was briefly knocked out by the collision.

[@uzookafor8721]

@@kingtiger5040 there is nothing like non canon in dragon ball.what you meant to say it's filler,that's a misconception filler is canon, just because it was not shown in the sub or manga does not make it non canon.

[@uzookafor8721]

@@kingtiger5040 and also cap 🧢,the moon 🌕 is one fourth the size of earth.the earth is not 81 times bigger than the moon

[@BLAZE_EDTIZ]

Um, I know this is probably too late to mention, but Dragon Ball's world is 5 times larger then our own universe. Dragon Ball's Earth is the size of a literal Solar system. And their speed is nothing to scoff at either. Mark could have an upper hand for travel speed.

[@BrianVaughnVA]

I think we also need to realize that in the beginning of Invincible (show, as the comics didn't show this to my knowledge) - Omni Man was capable of holding up a rock that was basically as big as the rock Frieza threw at Goku. Goku couldn't catch it, Namek Goku mind you. Omni Man just casually held it.

[@MegaDrainProductions]

I love this matchup purely from Mark and Vegeta having the same color scheme. Just flows really well.

[@omegaminoseer4539]

Nappa getting fodderized seems like it's a trend in any story with him in it. I'd be interested to see how you feel about the implication that a Black Hole was needed to kill Nolan when he tried to end his life in Season 2. I personally feel like Adult Mark is exponentially stronger, due to both Smart Atom stacking and the Zenkai Boosts that Allen the Alien gets by EoS. SPOILERS BELOW The only problem is like you noted, there is no concrete multiplier. I'd assume he gets 1.05X stronger every year after the series is over, since Allen is explicated to grow in strength, scaling with his damage taken. The beating(s) that Thragg gave him would be more than enough to cause Emperor Mark a problem, until Mark just levels him. He lays the entire Coalition out, solo, despite them having direct counters to Viltrumites at this time. It's laughable, since Mark runs a train on Allen so bad that Allen looked like Nappa. I believe that Power Ball Vegeta should be the basis of the scaling, since Vegeta is Dwarf Star Level, but Base Vegeta should not be as hard as you're making him out to be. Hopefully, the series doesn't try and antifeat Three Viltriumites, one of whom tanks the sun and burns himself to death to win.

[@db153yt]

Mark would get his ass beat. He got his shit rocked when he met the viltrumites.

[@lucasbroome1048]

You're using show version. The comic is 20 years old

[@db153yt]

@lucasbroome1048 didn't mark get his ass whooped in the comic, too. We aren't counting time skips. Just the time period before thraxa.

[@lucasbroome1048]

@@db153yt That's like arguing for Kid Goku. Did they say no time skips

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@db153yt the comic Mark is way stronger than show Mark, but he would still be around Z fighters level at most, even after training, dude needed Atmo Eve blast to actually make Conquest weak enough to have any chance.

[@Balrog-tf3bg]

Mark might be able to take on Nappa, but unless he uses his cruise speed to fly into space, all Vegeta needs to do is use a ki blast or hit mark at full power

[@d-manthecaptain1382]

I guess the thing is Mark is one guy, but even Goku couldn't have done it without help, so it makes sense Mark couldn't do it.

[@Darkri56789]

This is why I can’t take power scaling seriously. Everyone and their mom is lightspeed! I hear that word thrown around every time speed comes into question. It’s ridiculous.

[@lol0ajo]

that's true. dbs characters aren't the best. goku lost a lot of times. goku got helps to defeated villains.

[@Darkri56789]

@@lol0ajo Exactly. If you’re light speed, how are you losing? You should literally be the flash.

[@lol0ajo]

@@Darkri56789 aye

[@Lorfo11]

@@Darkri56789 Simple. You're fighting someone else who goes at light speed. Or, as seen in Super (or even Z, if we count Guldo), some guy who can stop time.

[@Darkri56789]

@@Lorfo11 if everyone is lightspeed. Then it loses all value. No one moves like the flash, so it’s best to remove that argument.

[@defeatingasandwich_onlymak9967]

Could invincible stop the sayians? Long answer; No Short answer; No

[@SmellenBellen]

People give the speed of invincible characters way too much credit, there’s a reason why you don’t see them casually going full speed at opponents since it would at best kill both them

[@pre4291]

W Lonk 😊

[@perminator218]

Why is this a debate? Omni Man solos the verse 🗣🗣

[@SIGMA-52]

This is a joke it has to br you're obviously taking the piss bruv because if not you gotta try harder than that then to successfully bait folks on the internet

[@chrisbarclay4852]

Trolls are getting weaker and their baits are getting too repetitive 😂 come on mate try harder

[@dluxajalt]

All the replies are british😭😭😭

[@inkchariot6147]

He says, with a Beast Gohan profile pic.

[@TimeToGetAGoodLife]

Realistically Nappa is more like Thragg level. Invincible has no chance.

[@nighfinite]

Tylearned is like always right… I like debating people but with this guy I just can’t.

[@saikyy1180]

mark doesnt get past nappa, he contradicted most if the things he said in the video

[@nighfinite]

@@saikyy1180 I was being sarcastic, this guy think Goku has infinite speed lol.

[@molester16]

Imo have read all of invincible friction plays a big part in the speed of the characters. We see mark get tired flying to Africa while a relative mark can fly to the moon in a flash. Due to the lack of friction they are able to move alot faster

[@lucasbroome1048]

Friction doesn't play a part in the speed at all. They even say they ignore inertia

[@Koppu1doragon]

Honestly I think there's a chance for Nappa to survive long enough for Vegeta to take over, a lot of people forget that Vegeta had no issue taking over he didn't kill Nappa until Nappa was paralyzed, now I'd say it's debatable if Vegeta killed him because he was paralyzed or if it was because he got paralyzed because he didn't listen to Vegeta.

[@glitchy_editzz3114]

Second day of asking for the roof piece squad versus mahoraga

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

Final battle Mark against Thragg when he was tanking the sun upclose might be able to put up a decent fight against Nappa. But the sheer level of destruction the can release is a bit unfair against viltrumites lol. Especially with Vegeta singlehandedly threatening planet destruction, meanwhile it took 3 strong viltrumites (including Mark) working together to do the same.

[@odeball22]

Quick awnser no, full awnser no.

[@porobotboyxxx]

No matter what, Mark will give it his all to protect the Earth. Also even though I strongly believe that Vegeta would definitely kill Mark. In a battle of hand to hand combat, even though Vegeta would definitely adapt since he was and is capable of fighting against Goku who’s a martial arts master. Mark could also adapt in hand to hand combat as well, since he was capable of adapting to Thula and Vidor alongside his father Nolan in the recent Invincible episode, all of who had thousands of years of combat experience.

[@lordcurze]

Mark's rage boost is just adrenaline, he's the only Viltrumite that has this 'ability'

[@jesusclock6156]

I can't believe Harold collaborated with puberty Chooper.

[@cm4n63]

Invincible has a crazy speed advantage, but vegeta or nappa could just explosive wave and win

[@TyStar45]

Bro get them past Raditz first 💀

[@cookieva3406]

I think it would be like in Saiyan saga but instead of having a kaio ken or spirit bomb. It is going to be a bloodbath of endurance, invincible ain’t going down until he is beaten bloodied and bruised.

[@koalteufel7947]

Earth is considered a small planet in DBZ btw.

[@lucasbroome1048]

Is Earth smaller in DBZ?

[@goddessrick8734]

How is this a discussion? Nappa evaporated a city and wiped the earth military just to pass the time.

[@vinsmokesanji4928]

Bro Omni man is a saiyan saga base victim

[@lucasbroome1048]

The Saiyan Saga had a lot of growth and transformations weren't a thing so everyone was in their base

[@nottegiew]

This isn't even fair, completely different universes that contextually treat their absolute power completely differently.

[@Lorfo11]

I mean, you can always compare two individuals for the sake of it. But it really isn't fair when Saiyan Saga characters were already able to level whole cities and blow up planets. It'd be like comparing a grenade and a nuke. Sure, both are explosives, but there's a clearly stronger one.

[@thereaver8083]

The Vegeta vs Diodora fight doesn't really apply to this situation cause he was much stronger at that point than he was when he first came to earth. Remember Saiyan's get a significant power boost after recovering from serious injury and he was pretty fucked up at the end of that first battle. Mark still wouldn't stand a chance against him, but I figured I'd point that out.

[@sylasDC]

Well we all know Goku is only a fight junkie. But at least invincible has intelligence when it comes to ruling or instructing when it doesn't come to fighting

[@odysseygrimes]

A group of saibamen could be as threatening as rognarrs to average viltrumites.

[@canaan5337]

Vegeta would end him in a second.

[@slsbaconbits4012]

How do you think a Saiyan conquering party would handle planet viltrumite? Like say Bardock and his crew would fair?

[@kenshiroeltounsi9557]

this is just the anime events in the invincible verse , if this were to actually happen raditz would be with the 2 saiyans cuz he doesn't have a brother to look for ( in this what if)

[@aguaboliviana1083]

Why is vegetas tail blue in the thumnail?

[@Diemondbakk]

My own take I think it would be really in😢. Mark would make a huge difference in raw power. Now if piccolo figured this out they might pull something close off at the very least get rid of Nappa lol

[@szeretemahansant226]

nappa would kill mark tf

[@lucasbroome1048]

With what destructive feats?

[@Professor_Fiction]

Vegeta lucky Mark didn’t have Dinosaurus backing him up

[@FsicX]

its the other way around dinosaur lucky he didnt meet vegeta

[@RayAkuma]

If we go with movie canon for king vegeta he was at a power level of 10k because that was bardocks power and it was said he matched king vegeta in power now.

[@DummyAcoustic]

Nappa would put Mark down like how Conquest would’ve had Mark not been the main character Viltrumites only ace is speed and recovery

[@AzzMonkeysauce03]

If early invincible had atom Eve for support and atom Eve was able to do what she can at the end of the series at the start for some reason when he dies maybe the couple times he gets revived by Eve then yeah easy invincible dub but if he’s by himself no atom Eve he’s dead

[@nobreadnation2305]

This video should be 3 seconds long and contain just the word “no”

[@INFINITIKAOS]

Radish being planetary (or any low class saiyan actually) stomps.

[@DarkDyllon]

it's also that in the Dragon Ball universe, if they hit someone much stronger than them, it just stops there, like a thud, not damage to the attacker (till the attacked attacks back I guess) in the Invincible universe, if they hit something stronger than them they generally explode or atleast break their limb. like when someone would punch omni-man with all his power, but it doesn't even slightly faze him, then the attackers hand would break. so I feel that if Mark would attack Vegeta he would probably just break him arm on impact concidering that Vegeta at the Saiyan Saga can easily destroy a planet with 2 fingers, he's stronger than King Vegeta who can destroy 3 planets with a flick of his wrist. let alone if Vegeta actually did get pushed back by Mark and Vegeta would use the artificial moon and become Ozaru, Mark would likely try to fly into him at full force and likely just splatter on Vegeta, if Vegeta wouldn't just swap him straight to the ground.

[@supreme_doge_yt7509]

Think mark think 🗣🔥how tf you gonna beat nappa the goat 🗣

[@DOESITMATTER7734]

I think you got two things wrong. Only mark gets strong because his human adrenaline gene is unique to him vs normal viltrumites. And top Speed verses combat speed are different. DBZ characters don’t need momentum to move fast, they go from 0 to 1000 real quick

[@reni9870]

Invincible is kinda like that old young Goku he keeps his true power level hidden because he doesn't want to hurt or kill anything thus limits himself to his true potential!

[@widowmaker4976]

Mark could absolutely suicidekill Vegeta, at least imo. Speed amplifying strength from impact and all that, take the combat into space, and just not dying long enough to put them both into the Sun. Since stronger characters than Saiyan arc vegeta have trouble with lava.