Could "Modernized" US 4th Gen Jets Win Air Superiority Over Russian Air Force? (WarGames 83) | DCS

[@stormatron6184]

It seems that everyone who enters the melee in the middle can evade one missile but then has no energy to evade another, so someone else comes in to finish them off and ends up in the same position. Effectively it's an inescapable black hole to AI. The American speed/range advantage just dictates where the black hole begins but the capabilities are similar after that. It would need entirely different tactics with this sort of battle that the AI can't do, at least not yet.

[@grimreapers]

Yup, this is why I include humans, they do not follow the algorithm.

[@valentinmoerth2279]

It would be prudent to do a chainsaw for the US side similar to the old Renaissance tactic called caracolla. Go in High and fast, fire, notch, get down low, get energy back while the next wave gets in. Repeat.

[@matthewsnyder4360]

as an f15 crew chief your pretty spot on about the flight hours of the f15 the only thing you missed was there getting phased out by the brand new f15ex (solid looking acft is you havent seen it yet)

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@AndySpicer]

That was fantastic. Easily one of the top 5. Grump is still a legend. The core GR group is really impressive. I had no idea that Violet was new to DCS. She is a serious talent.

[@forMacguyver]

Cap, one of my biggest gripes is that "for reasons of fairness" ya always set the Russian skill levels at expert when we have clearly seen that they're not as well trained or maintained as their western counter parts. That makes a big difference. So 'for reasons of reality' I'm going to lobby for setting Ruskie skill levels @ something less the settings for western forces. That would be for all platforms, pilots, anti air, ground units, etcetera. To fair that's just the truth.

[@Rover200Power]

There needs to be a "drunk" setting, and a "conscript" setting for those with no real training, or for those drafted into the front line from a completely different branch of the military.

[@hawk7825]

INDEED!

[@JD96893]

I'm inclined to disagree somewhat, because i don't think the poor performance in Ukraine is very indicative of how good Russian pilots are, more so their doctrine. However if we talk purely about training, very few countries can match the large amount of hours of yearly flight time US military pilots receive. Combat experience as well! The US loves to get involved in foreign affairs and has been involved in several recent wars. I believe very few countries can match US military pilot's level of training and combat experience.

[@Utubesuperstar]

@@JD96893 Russian pilots have piss poor training and the maintenance and reliability of the airframes and weapons is crap as well so I’m inclined to agree we need to reduce their skill tho the us already wipes the floor with Russia on an unrealistic even footing so god help Russia in real life if they try some shit

[@garnetmichel5517]

Nah I disagree leave it at the expert skill level

[@jaxompol224]

the AI tactics favoured the Russians with the extra missiles. after the first wave the Americans would retreat and let the second wave do the same. remaining first wave doing a chain saw to re-engage at speed. the Americans gave away their energy advantage and manouver space at the edge of the sam net. good example of fighting the wrong type of fight by the Americans.

[@pranavsivakumar3873]

@Shannon Smith essentially a stand-off

[@chrisinstasis7986]

Kind of tricky to make the AI tactics work when the battle scenario is basically just a pointless (but very fun) COD deathmatch. Could be interesting to rerun it with another element running SEAD or some other groundstrike mission. See if the defenders manage to protect themselves sufficiently.

[@Charloots1]

alway its redic everytime i watch one of these

[@masonyoung168]

Damp Sock: No where near the contested zone flying in circles not threatening anything Also Sock: "I'm winning."

[@Knollepops]

I think some F-4 Wild Weasels, F-4 for MigCap and some A-6 would be enough at this point.

[@frankbarnwell____]

Exactly. F4 and a6 need love. Both carried more boom than a10.

[@Joseph-Colin-EXP]

Weren't the prowlers used for jamming and another ground radar stuff?

[@frankbarnwell____]

Yes. A6e. An intruder platform. A6.

[@Joseph-Colin-EXP]

Yeah, something in the mix to go dust up the a400s. As the fighters take missles to the face. Much disrespect.

[@aerohead8088]

@@Joseph-Colin-EXP E/A-6 Prowler

[@leeslures1499]

I know the US doesn’t have a whole ton of F-15 EX platforms, but I’d love to see what difference they might make in a situation like this

[@000-z8n]

I don't think we have any yet.

[@memelephant]

exactly what I thought. I know they can carry a lot more AMRAAMs

[@Mewithabeard]

Such an awesome concept, the F-15 is a beast anyway but with the EX its a really intimidating aircraft. Can't wait to see it coming properly into service and what it can do😁

[@Mewithabeard]

@@000-z8n I think I read somewhere that there's a few already but they're still working out some kinks and the usual stuff needed before coming into proper service. Shouldn't be too long before they come into service in larger numbers though

[@BLUEYENKO]

@@Mewithabeard there are 2 at Eglin being tested the rest will be delivered next year.

[@victorrodgerivynelson4238]

Thanks for pushing the technology envelope, I know it's time consuming but it makes war games something uniquely realistic.

[@exidy-yt]

Is Damp Sock actually BRAGGING about winning by sitting out of the fight hiding behind his SAM batteries? It may be a valid tactic, but not one to be especially proud of, methinks.

[@dampsok]

Dirty perhaps... shameful even. but effective... no?

[@exidy-yt]

@@dampsok Pretty much. 😏

[@dampsok]

In the immortal words of DMX, you wanna fight me? Fight these 😢.

[@exidy-yt]

@@dampsok it definitely worked, but nothing to brag about imo. Still, I'm sure karma will bite you in the arse on the next GR sortie. Watch your six! 😧

[@andydaniel3070]

If you’re going to claim a win by sitting behind the SAM net, then why even bother getting in the plane? You could do the same sitting in the mess drinking tea.

[@rockelino]

Your live action commentary is the best part of the video

[@christophero55]

Simba. I didn't realize you spend so much time behind the scenes working out stuff like this with Cap. Thanks for the time and hard work. It leads to a lot of good entertaining and informative videos. 🙂

[@simba1113]

Thanks. I just try to help where I can.

[@grimreapers]

Yes, he just never gets the credit...

[@shmevan_]

"It's not a draw!" claims Damp as he flies around his SAM net not doing anything while the inevitable wave of B2s come in to wipe Russia off the map.

[@formerlydistantorigins6972]

I'm trying to decide if the time and energy spent on these vast battles, is a work of love or lunacy lol. Great vid as always. I know I keep making suggestions but, I've got 1 last idea. Spain plans to take Gibraltar but don't want a Falklands style counter attack. So, while the QE is sailing through the Med, they launch a surprise attack with their air force and navy. Why would win?

[@grimreapers]

ooo this is interested.

[@henrygibson9613]

Great idea to nerf s400, the 250 mile missile in real life would presumably have so many friendly fire concerns that the site is probably more effective this way! Presumably the USAF would also have a few if its 400 tankers airborne too? Haven't watched fight yet but guessing some fuel issues will occur! Would love to see a dynamic war games like china Taiwan again, maybe here as this map with sead and sea combat would be awesome!

[@hemendraravi4787]

i think the friendly fire issue would mostly be cus the enemy is also using mig29 n su27 , here its f16 n f15 ,i doubt they would have a russian maverick so no.

[@henrygibson9613]

@@hemendraravi4787 Good point, I guess fog of war is always a thing though!

[@MrDJAK777]

@@hemendraravi4787 it shouldn't matter even if the Ukrainians put Russian paint schemes, as long as IFF is functional. Which if it's not, then their "IADS" is a joke, and can be for all intents, ignored tactically.

[@jeffburnham6611]

Given the AWACS or E2D's long range radar and datalink capabilities, the American pilots could have just as easily kept within the protective umbrella of their SAM's, fired off their long range ordinance, and let the AWACS track the targets. It always seems in these scenarios, the team lacks the knowledge of how to properly use the aircraft and its systems.

[@Doc_Roe]

Another Morning GR video and coffee lets goo! I love when Cap gets excited haha, Awesome work GR's! This battle was something I have been wanting to see for so long.

[@WyvernFalken]

Damp if you fly around in your own SAM net, the humans aren't gonna fight you. That's not a win.

[@trolleriffic]

He'd probably have got shot down by his own side!

[@AnkitSharma-1337]

Matrix was alive along with damp and matrix was outside the sam net, in the end matrix was killed by the respawned humans from the blue side so the red team did win because they had 2 active units left.

[@grimreapers]

There is a solution Grump, you could have attacked the SAM net low down, nullyfiing the SAM range, pop up, shoot run. Might have worked.

[@WyvernFalken]

@@grimreapers Perhaps if Fog of War was on. With their AWACS still up though, Damp would have seen where I was coming from.

[@Silo-Ren]

Wonderful simulation Cap, was just as surprised with the results as you. Thank you. 👍

[@superflyguy4488]

Something that currently PC AI cant replicate is the emotion of combat. In games like the original F.E.A.R it was common for the enemy to withdraw if they took casualties but it was a simple piece of code using percentages. Anybody reading this will understand how much of a difference unit/individual morale can and will make in combat. The current conflict in Ukraine has brought this home to even the general public, numbers, competence and equipment quality mean little if unit morale is low.

[@grimreapers]

yup AI has no emotions.

[@restitvtororbis5330]

I feel like there could be ways to at least simulate AI morale, but it would probably need a few different parameters with a range of values that determine what the AI will prioritize. For example, i imagine that pilot's would be psychologically impacted by the sinking of the Moskva even if they were operating outside the range it could influence. Many pilot's likely had their confidence in their military shaken to some degree and possibly became far more risk averse than they were at the beginning. The impact of a major loss like the Moskva might have made pilots far more cautious about missile strikes, and were probably less willing to fly anywhere beyond firmly controlled territory. If that morale factor was used in this simulation, the Russians would likely be less confident about engaging outside their defense network, so would probably not charge out beyond their s400 range, whereas the first few weeks of the war they may have been recklessly confident and gotten blown out of the sky even worse than the sim. Just a thought

[@some.randomdude]

Gotta love a new Grim Reapers vid. Great content Cap, keep it up!

[@billthrasher3587]

Is the F15EX modeled? If not how do you think they would do in this scenario being missle trucks for F22s?

[@jonathanmcalroy8640]

Came to say this. Only some F15s are being upgraded as the EX is being rolled out.

[@lowtdave]

Yeah, the f-15ex and f-35 or 22 combo is going to be intimidating for sure.

[@Silo-Ren]

@@lowtdave yep, that's gonna give the enemy something to think about.

[@grimreapers]

Yes but having a few troubles with EX at moment. Will try to get her fixed.

[@keithwhitney1648]

Great battle, need to add Wild Weasel planes to force the slackers into the fight sooner.

[@LoneWolf051]

Note: F-16s are known to the pilots as 'Vipers" not "Falcons"

[@exidy-yt]

Maybe so, but the official name is still the Falcon (Like the A-10 Warthog is offically the Thunderbolt II) so the name is valid.

[@dexlab7539]

Absolutely LOVE IT when Cap goes into Heavy Breathing when things get exciting!!! 😆

[@brianwright9514]

My only real critique on this simulation is that, I don't think either side would wander into the MAR. I think the US would stage their flights at 40 mile waves. They would come in with their tanks on, maximize their speed, fire the first, maybe second wave of missiles, and then go back to the tanker and let the next wave take over.

[@brianwright9514]

@Shannon Smith I think this highlights exactly why fights like this won't ever happen. Losing this many aircraft/pilots is simply unacceptable and would be a huge strategic cost. The Americans wouldn't go in unless they could mitigate the SAM threat first. And if they had a range advantage with their missiles, they would arrange their order of battle to fully exploit that advantage.

[@xenaguy01]

Before discussing tactics, we must first define each side's objectives. Here, the objectives for each side were apparently _"Shoot down all the other guys."_ That's not a realistic objective.

[@markhamstra1083]

@@xenaguy01 Winning conditions not being defined is what allows someone to be a douche by not engaging in the fight and then declaring at the end that he has won.

[@Mobius118]

Matrix, the man of the hour. Well done today :)

[@PotatoeJoe69]

American jets have better combat records than anything Russia has, by far. Exceedingly far. The war in Ukraine has done one thing for certain; proven that Russia's capabilities are no better now, than they were in the 1980's, despite what they like to claim.

[@marshalljulie3676]

US hasn't ever fought a modern force armed like Ukraine🤷. the su 25 can take a hit and keep flying

[@bubblenugget1335]

Basically no russian jets have been downed by other ukrainan jets, mostly SAM systems that has done the work.

[@SakoRichards]

@@G_de_Coligny Ukrainian Naz1s? Propaganda much?

[@NightshadeX85]

Russia is an over-hyped bloated mess of a military nation . Russia today could not beat 1980s Soviet Union . Look at the mess that is the flanker enough said .

[@marshalljulie3676]

@@SakoRichards it is facts you know like a quick search on the web will show you how deeply rooted it is. BBC even made a documentary about it in 2015. And how do you explain all these tattoos of swastikas and Hitler's face all over these guys. Plus you don't have to lie for them they call themselves that on telegram 😂

[@bushyiscool2]

Everything about this was really cool. But one point of improvement I would recommend is not giving the RED TEAM info when u spectate. I noticed on more than one occasion when you would pass on info which is just unfair.

[@grimreapers]

Noted.

[@GrooveFederation]

33:30 Skynet: Bruh, I feel personally attacked..........

[@mgplaying8435]

"You can´t notch at that aspect - ... Shows what I know..." Made me laugh hard...

[@trevoirforrester7028]

I’m sure the US would not have used that tactics

[@bussolini6307]

neither would Russia.

[@tomkelly1017]

Simba, 421 TFS black widow here, I don’t play but watch your vids. Capt I find your entertaining

[@jamison884]

Excellent video and it appears the human factor played a huge role even when they are such a minority of the force. I think this shows why the US has the F-15E and F-15EX jets too, as they are the US missile trucks carrying 10+ long-range missiles. As Cap said, a large-scale air war like this is not likely to happen, especially just heading straight into each other. But, if this ever did happen, the USAF has the numbers to go up against any opponent at a 2-to-1 advantage, whether it's 4th-gen or 5th-gen.

[@MrDJAK777]

And growlers/f16s with alllll the pods + F35s and their barracuda system. Pods are still crazy effective, keep getting better and when used right let 4th gens accomplish things that previously would have needed a 5th gen/stealth airframe to achieve. And besides the F35s own insane EW capability, it'd probably be far better at shooting down missiles then modeled. It's DAS is fully automated and in tests shown the ability to track/achieve solutions on 120/155mm tank* rounds, and can track ballistic missiles out to nearly 500 miles. Just a matter if it's own weapons have the needed performance.

[@jan_franzke]

You always set these fights up for "fairness", but real life ain't fair. Crew training, airframe maintenance, logistics, ground support... the US has MASSIVE advantages in all of those, especially considering that Russia has been fighting a very real war for over half a year now and racking up the corresponding casualties. Most of their front line fighters and ground attack planes are probably not in perfect fighting order

[@dgthe3]

There are dozens of things that won't match real life. The air bases weren't struck with cruise missiles before hand. There likely aren't enough of those R77's to equip every Russian fighter with 10 of them. Even if there were, they won't all be sitting under the wings of the aircraft waiting to go. Then there is the relative difference in pilot training, in group tactics, in AWACS coordination, etc. Or the reliability of the missiles. And on, and on. There are very few things where the Russians would be on even footing with the Americans in such a battle. And if you have even a 10-20% advantage, in 10 different categories ... the result is going to be VERY lopsided. In the end, this is a little bit of entertainment. Although, just once I'd like to see a properly coordinated USN strike against a battlegroup. Lauch the planes, have them loiter around for a while before heading out in a large wave. Stealthy F35s taking the lead to pick off enemy fighters as they take off, a couple dozen F18s in behind launching 100 harpoons at once. And then a 2nd wave to finish things off.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Correct.

[@randalljones4370]

@34:35 "Will there ever be airwing vs airwing?" Me: I think that's the concept behind having a stealthy human-shepherd and a flock of missile-packing drones. You get the mass number of long-range shots (AIM2xxx) on little bombtrucks while risking a limited number of humans. DAMN !! The dodges @40:00 are insane !! ... when it comes to picking a Dodgeball team, I'm taking Violet Moon. Brainz, Guts. Aggressive as hell. Matrix and Simba are great, but methinks they have less upside potential. Violet is a hyperbolic beast. (am I baiting the guys? Nah, never. LOL)

[@MrDJAK777]

I know you said you don't see much point in a bigger version of the stealth vs Russia air but what about a full stealth airwing vs a full Russian air wing defending a Russian carrier group.

[@grimreapers]

Ah, got something coming up for that.

[@patricktracy4371]

Love the work yall do, but what cant be modeled in DCS are the 70 years of training, cycle after cycle. The generational knowledge gained from this experience would destroy Russian air force. Money spent on training is money that wins engagements.

[@grimreapers]

Yup agreed, not really modellable in game.

[@off_grid_javelin]

you do know that these same "afghan-iraq vets" tried to volunteer for ukraine, but ran within a week when went to the front line, I guess all that training is only good when expensive air support and mass destructive air to ground weapons are looking after you.

[@patricktracy4371]

@@off_grid_javelin Sample size too small to over generalize like that, but the fact before us is No effective Russian air force, ground forces? Yea right, Navy? Proof is in front of you, and yea US does have massive air power and it knows how to really use it, we've been paying the price every year, training budget, exercises, real world combat. Russian oligarchs pocketed the money that should have been used in training etc.

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

I think the correct term is wipe the floor with.

[@Maeyanie]

For stuff like this, when it's all about the air war, it might be better to not let the humans respawn.

[@henrygibson9613]

Great fight CAP! Your progress is amazing and such an interesting outcome, here are just a few ideas I thought of while watching, I'm by no means an expert but some thought led to these, they may interest people. I think this shows the Russian numbers doctrine vs the USAs tech doctrine is really interesting in a defensive role for the Russians. A bit like the stealth f35s for attack and murder for mass defense. If the Russians were attacking, then they would have to sacrifice missiles for fuel like the F15s in this vid having 6 AMRAAMs not 8. That would maybe be a delta of min 32 missiles maybe up to 64 for the American's advantage in defense. Then again, a sprinkling of maybe 4 F22s with 24 stealth AMRAAMs would also create a big difference in result. I completely understand how much time and effort these sims take to make but a few different scenarios based on this one just with different aggressors or slight changes in airframe models would be fascinating to watch! I can only hope they are made one day!

[@suecobandito8954]

Mod suggestion: AT-37 Flying Dog Whistle. Cessna AT-37 Dragonfly was a side by side trainer used forever by USAF. Combat tested I believe in Vietnam. Good video. Cheers.

[@simba1113]

if you have a link to a flyable one it may be possible. the only one I have seen so far is AI only

[@flickingbollocks5542]

I wonder how Mig - 31 would perform.

[@some.randomdude]

I'd like to see that.

[@MrDJAK777]

While the mig31 did have a ridiculously powerful radar, it's still older and is now outranged by the agp82 AESA modern f15s have so the mig-31 wouldn't have any advantage even if it had longer range missiles. And they can't turn for shit, low chance they'd be able to avoid any fox3.

[@rebelliousfew]

With It’s massive long range Sledgehammers and speed, put enough Mig-31’s In the air, and that American air wing will lose quite a bit of planes, all without the Russians losing a single aircraft.

[@grimreapers]

Mig-31 and F-14B are/were epic planes BUT I'm 99% sure they are outclassed by 2020s radars/missiles.

[@flickingbollocks5542]

@@grimreapers I thought the speed a missile was launched was very important in this scenario....

[@warangel19761]

Damn... Matrix went full beast mode!!!

[@timbaskett6299]

With the way things are going in avionics and aircraft costs, I could see the F-22/F-35 being the "High" in the mix and reduced observability versions of legacy designs (F-15, F-16, and F/A-18E) making up the "Low" in the mix.

[@neilwilkins9002]

cheers for the video guys, real interested in how you tweek the game to achieve this...must learn more

[@akivirus7020]

Matrix showing off why he is a real Ace

[@Theredmengroup]

On the ai, I wonder if Nvidia could do one of their machine learning experiments with DCS instead of Minecraft.

[@Anarchy_420]

Lmao I think the nerf of the S-400 should remain! It would have been cool to see a mix of SU-30SM's and SU-35's on the Russian side and few Super Hornet's on U.S. side

[@mrlodwick]

Brill, thank you. Violet is all powerful!

[@tiadiad]

48:31 ooooooooh say can you seeeeeee

[@tobyw9573]

What about adding a wing of C-17s and B-1Bs with cruise and other missiles ?

[@jamison884]

I'm making this comment at the 20:00 mark where you're asking for predictions. One thing that isn't factored into this is the quality of training and the number of flight hours training each year. I don't think there's much dispute internationally (except in Russia) that US pilots have the overall training advantage. How to model that in DCS? Not too sure.

[@QuentinStephens]

The AI was set to expert on both sides. Decrease the AI setting to model a lower level of training. That said, Russian pilots are currently getting a lot of actual air-ground combat experience...

[@jamison884]

@@QuentinStephens I'm aware of the settings but this doesn't work because Cap is (rightfully so) going for more realism and not less. "Expert" AI may actually be somewhat representative of Russian pilot skills (not really, but closer to real life than expert is for the US). For example, actual US pilot skills and tactics would be far, far superior to the DCS AI. They certainly wouldn't be charging into the center in huge clumps and having their entire air wing getting within range of about 320 R-77 missiles when each of their own aircraft carries fewer AIM-120Ds. I know it's too much to ask for real tactics and skill because we honestly have no clue as to how good these guys are so it can't be modeled, but it's surely better than what we currently see.

[@grimreapers]

Technically you can change the skill level of each faction BUT I'm not sure it's something I want to start doing.

[@Stinger522]

If not for the S-400 net, the Eagles and Vipers would've cleared the Flankers from the skies but they would still suffer losses.

[@AllTradesGeorge]

I'd have to disagree with Damp's assessment. The stated objective is air superiority over the battlefield...you can't claim air superiority with a single fighter, especially when it's not even over the contested territory. He's the only survivor, sure...but he didn't really pursue the mission objective, either.

[@jouniairplanevideos]

Could you make a series of videos with current and future fighterjets for European countries? For example what if the RNLAF use F35's, Gripens, and AEW aircraft compare to only F35 and it's current view F16's? Or what if the German Airforce has F35, Typhoon and Tornado compared to the current Typhoon and Tornado? So what kind of improvement happened or which technology sucks. Because a lot of EU countries buy a view 5th gen jets or 4 and 4,5 jets. So basicly a small fleet for all tasks. But if you use stealth for air superiority and 4 or 4.5 gen for the "dirty" work how effective would that be compared to some stealth jets. Wich is more cost effective, sole stealth or stealth and 4, 4.5 jets. Great video guys!

[@scottsauritch3216]

No F15C's ARE ALL BEING REPLACED BY F15EX's WHICH FEATURES AN/APG-82, Which Leverages AN/APG-81 as the base likely with couple hundred less T/R Modules, but still gives Pilot the same/similar SA as F35 as it uses same/based off F35's computer... Edit: Correction, the F16s new AESA AN/APG-83 is what's based off F35 radar...

[@rogerrussell5155]

One of my gr favourites all the top names plus up and comers ...up there with the aircraft carrier landing competition

[@NightshadeX85]

UK has more Eurofighters than Russia has SU-35 .

[@NightshadeX85]

@Shannon SmithI hear what you are saying but that simply ain't the case with what is actually happening in Russia . The Su-35 is meant to be their air superiority fighter same as the Eurofighter . Last I saw they stopped producing Migs (except 35 for naval reasons and selling) their other fighters include the Su-30 as their multirole (with no a-g guided munition so dumb bombing same as the ordinary flanker) and the Su-57 which only 3 have been confirmed made , the project started in 1999 . The Su-75 Checkmate which is export only and not even prototyped yet . The R-77M missile has been prototyped but not gone into production as of 2022 . All of these aircraft mentioned and their old ones none have been standardized at all , most flankers all variants have no RWR fitted to them due to costs , I really believe the Russian airforce is on it's last legs and really is not on par with French , British aero-division let alone the Americans . Even China is not buying any more and India pulled out of the Su-35 altogether .

[@grimreapers]

I think Britain alone has more Typhoon than Russia Su-35?

[@NightshadeX85]

@@grimreapers Yeah , UK has 160 Eurofighter Typhoons , Russia has a little over 100 Su-35 , actual standardized Su-35s meaning how many are complete RWR installed or actual engines capable of running 100% without having limiters put on them is unknown . Russia makes a lot of things incomplete or partially operational . The British and German AIrforce alone outnumbers the Russians almost 4-1 in terms of fighter jets .

[@jimjustus4867]

This is the GR we all want to watch! WTG guys!!!

[@dshupac]

Get well soon Cap.

[@wardaddy7124]

There are a couple of things i noticed in this video- 1) the russians now that americans have better range missiles and radars 2) the russians also know they have longer range SAMs 3) the russians won't be stupid to go and fight americans on fair terms Conclusion - the russian air force is designed to work within or near their SAMs and the defend their territory and bomb the front line they would never meet the americans in an open field like the scenario showcased (I WOULD ADVISE THAT THE RUSSIANS SPWANED DEEEPER IN THEIR SAM NET AS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS PREVENT GROUNDSTRIKES AGAINST THEIR ASSETS) meanwhile the americans have to attack and thus inherently need to go closer to russian SAMs.

[@LondonSteveLee]

If Russian SAMs were as good as they claimed - they'd still be in control of snake island. Russian kit only works in DCS. It's hopeless in the real world.

[@QuentinStephens]

I'm not surprised at the result. Aggressors typically require a 3:1 advantage.

[@smokeyjoe1034]

The Su-35Ses did very well against the F-15s/16s.

[@andersonlmjr]

An absolute joy to watch.

[@stevenbroome2520]

I'm stationed at Spangdahlem, i see the F16 pilots everyday interesting scenario.

[@sedatedape315]

Good mission set up, as always. Any thoughts of running something like this but using US Naval aircraft? Updated F-14's and F-18's?

[@jarjar684]

Like the ST21 Tomcat.

[@grimreapers]

wayyy ahead of you :)

[@sedatedape315]

@@grimreapers wOOt-WooT, or some happy noise like that 😁

[@toptenguy1907]

Matrix is becoming the Ace and Violet is the number 1 Rookie

[@nikkolts2610]

Being too aggressive costs lives!!! 1. Move in... shoot... 2. move out 3. Gain SA 4. Move in again

[@salmon4749]

Wasn't the irbis-e able to track objectives the size of 3m^2 from near 175 miles?

[@RedneckRapture]

I think this isn't an accurate depiction. For the russian side it may be, sending up their fighters to engage the US fighters. The Americans would have sent in an air wing to engage the Russians and a SEAD strike to take down the SAM sites at the same time, if not a missile strike from their navy. The Americans don't send in just fighters. I would also call it an American victory anyway because the Russian commanders would not have allowed their pilots to cheese it and hang back while their other pilots were fighting and dying. They have this thing about their people seeming to display cowardice in the face of the enemy.

[@rubiconnn]

39:17 Grump's bitching betty sounds like it's deep fried lol

[@comradesascha3734]

How did ya'll get the radars better and the F16 to fired the 120D's?

[@rarejavelin6547]

Matrix going absolute god mode

[@ALIEN1-3Blackout91]

The F15 when you get hight enough, around 30-35k+ feet in altitude, can burn for damn near forever, it's a fuel truck

[@JJ-1-1]

Hello Cap I wanted to ask you I was looking into DCS from Steam and I noticed that it looked like content could be as high as $1800.

[@grimreapers]

Yeh it's normal to spend nearly $2000 on DCS these days.

[@kevinmaki2504]

That was really cool. 😎

[@reynaldiwidjaja277]

So dumb questions whats the different between AESA and PESA ? Does active radar is like turning on flashlight in dark room ?

[@grimreapers]

radausa.com/blog/pesa-radar-vs-aesa-radar

[@LondonSteveLee]

PESA uses a traditional large radio emitter (or emitters) but with the grid of multiple receiver modules. AESAs have a grid of individual send/receive modules, this means the back end systems can multitask much more ably as they have many parallel streams of information - there are disadvantages though - AESA modules are hard to cool in confined fighter environments and field of "vision" is not great without mechanical steering. Which is why the long range advantage universally mooted for AESA isn't true. The modules often overheat in high power search and track modes and go into a cooling strategy such as firing transmissions from the AESA modules at a reduced rate and or in alternate pairs. The good old fashioned emitter(s) in the PESA set can burn away at 10, 20 whatever Kilowatts for hours giving you the maximum performance 100% of the time..

[@Istandby666]

Violet didn't say Hi, because you only asked the guys to say Hi.,.lol Thank you violet.

[@caseydudzinski9422]

Where can install this mod? I really want the modernized planes? Please respond

[@grimreapers]

Not ready yet.

[@caseydudzinski9422]

@@grimreapers 😭 please make a video on install when ready, no rush

[@golfinguy423]

Oh god hearing for and angels in a BRAA call is like having John Wick shove a pencil into my ear

[@bajasmancer]

Wonder what's the point of the strange grated tail fins of the adders...

[@baggyunicycle494]

Hey GR! Love the content! I’ve been interested in the past vids of the US v.s. Different countries (mostly Russia) and I was wondering if you guys would ever release your Aim-120Ds and your radars so people like me could try it for ourselves? Thanks!

[@Mobius118]

I believe he mentioned that in video, but they are still being worked on currently

[@grimreapers]

yes but it's a long way off release.

[@jeremyparker9749]

That was cool!

[@mazztothemax1888]

Can't wait till you release the mods!!

[@The340king]

Mass of fire is a component of battle. The lack of missiles on the American planes was the deciding factor.

[@gdlonborg]

Amateur observation: In addition, this outcome was more or less predictable, given that a longer term strategy would have included refuel, resupply, and logistics back at the base. I'd guess it's a moot point, as the USAF would use stealth at the tip of the spear, and attrit the enemy air defense network early on, or use guided missiles to do the same. In either case, it's still very entertaining to see 4th gen vs 4th gen, and how it was seen as untenable decades ago.

[@5Andysalive]

So it's confirmed: Simba is a real guy!

[@simba1113]

not sure if thats confirmed yet. I still have my suspicions about that guy.

[@francisvantuyle]

It is not the aircraft. It is the pilot that makes the winner in a dogfight. The difference between the 4th Gen modernized fighter and a Russian 5th get fighter. Is not what you imagine. For Example the latest version of the F-16 is the F-16V. Which is a long ways away from the F-16C

[@__-fm5qv]

How come grump was allowed to use the map screen to dictate tactics? Or was Simba also allowed to do that? Also Matrix really living up their name! Really some excpetional missile dodges there.

[@simba1113]

we had our plan laid out and we stuck to it pretty well.

[@__-fm5qv]

@@simba1113 Well it clearly worked! I just question whether grump would have made the same calls if he had not looked at the map screen to see positions of planes he may not have seen with his own radar or AWACS. Getting him more situational awareness than he necessarily should have. At the end of the day it all played out well enough. Just thinking there should be more map-use rules in the future to prevent an unrealistic advantage. Whether that be everyone able to use the map screen or the opposite.

[@grimreapers]

In this case I allowed them the entire map as it was such a complex fight.

[@speedyham545]

I would argue that hiding behind the SAM net is not entering the fight- and doesn't count as a win.

[@roentgen571]

So the new F15EX would be simulated by the upgraded F15Cs?

[@woolyimage]

Any advance on a squadron of Sopwith Camels??

[@Rover200Power]

Only if it is called 266 Squadron.

[@trolleriffic]

Let's not make things too one-sided! Russia needs to have a reasonable chance otherwise the video would be a bit dull.

[@stupidburp]

When one side has extensive ground based air defenses the other should be provided with the means to suppress or destroy those air defenses. F-15E with JASSM-ER, MALD, and HARM for example could degrade the S-400s.

[@phill5917]

Should have put R-37M's on the Su-35.

[@grimreapers]

Fair comment.

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@grimreapers It's not a fair comment - there's literally zero chance of a R-37 hitting a fighter sized target making any attempt to avoid engagement. R-37 was designed to take out AWACS and large cruise missiles. It cannot turn hard enough to engage fighters. R-37 is massively over-powered in DCS.

[@georgeantabi6025]

​@LondonSteveLee it did shoot down a Su-27 in Ukraine at a range of over 250km though.

[@hernerweisenberg7052]

Interesting! Now that you have some custom coding skills in GR, could you do some naval experiments again but with proper speeds on russian anti ship missiles like P-700 etc?

[@ijxman5223]

Matrix is so good wth

[@ДанилАльбертович-ж2и]

the su-35 has a much more powerful radar no35, although this should not affect the experiment, thanks anyway for the interesting videos)

[@Idontwantahandle6669]

Ukraine has S-300V systems operating in the conflict areas if you wanted to add further realism to future simulations.

[@grimreapers]

Yeh I figured that out at last minute but didn't get to change it.

[@hotrod525]

How do you mod radar ?

[@grimreapers]

Just declare your own in a LUA link it.

[@pogo458]

So… your gaming next week…?

[@sonar357]

War Game idea: Japan recently upgraded their 'Helicopter Destroyers' to operate with F35B fighters and have purchased both the F35A and F35B. So, how would a Japanese carrier air wing operating the F35B compete against a Chinese carrier air wing? You guys may or may not have done this (like a USMC assault ship air wing/Lightning carrier vs Chinese carrier), can't find the video.