Could Poland leave the European Union? | Inside Story

Poland is challenging one of the European Union's core principles.
Regulations decided in Brussels are applied equally across its 27-member states, and override national legislation.
But Poland's top court has ruled that parts of EU law aren't compatible with the nation's constitution.
Other countries, including Hungary, have been at odds with the EU about the rule of law.
So could Poland follow the UK and leave the bloc?
Presenter: Adrian Finighan
Guests:
Michal Wawrykiewicz - Co-founder, #FreeCourts Initiative.
Ulrich Brueckner - Professor of Political Science, Stanford University in Berlin.
Pieter Cleppe - Editor, BrusselsReport.EU.
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[@ericmichel3857]

13:50 ....."are double standards at play here?" ""It's not double standards because these are two different standards" Yes one for when Germany disagrees with EU bureaucrats, and another when Poland disagrees. So it's two different standards depending on who and what is involved, so not double, just two. Did you get that?

[@januszskassa]

of course caused big long laugh but every minute same reaction. Much better than any Late night talk show Fantastic make me happy 😊

[@ktelite]

From what I read Poland don't actually want to leave the EU and The EU can't kick EU member out.

[@dirkgonthier101]

Really? There are always ways to find. The first ones are juridical ones. If the Europen Court for Justice deems that Poland is wrong with its verdict, they will have to retract it (the first part of that verdict is expected next week). If Poland still denies this, then the other EU-countries have a right to disband their cooperation with Poland, 'cause if you are a member of an organisation and you're want to play with different rules, the usual consequence is that your membership is revoked. The second way is to organize a referendum in countries asking whther the local population still supports the notion that Poland receives one euro of the tax-payers of that country. If the answer is no, you go with that result to EU-council and demand that Poland receives no more money from the tax-payers of your country. If enough countries do this, then Poland gets no more money from the EU. I wonder if Poland decides to stay, if that's the case. And these are just two examples.

[@nyali2]

@@dirkgonthier101 you are wrong, the European court has jurisdiction only in cases where the member state surrendered its sovereignty. Rule of law is not defined, it is not against any law to appoint judges and so on. It is only some other member states’ opinion that it is not correct. In cases like education, migration, abortion, religion and so on the EU has absolutely zero say. You also have no idea about the cohesion funds, that is peanuts compared to the profit exported from Poland to Germany France and so on. People, read some studies before you comment, it is seriously frightening to see how uninformed many of you are!!!

[@dirkgonthier101]

@@nyali2 That's wrong. The Human Rights are the legal framework under which the EU works. You're right, many competences still belong to the member-states (like: education, foreign policy, defence, social programs and so on). But the member states need to accept the Human Rights in working out their policies. Austria had an EU-delegation over its floor, when the government chose to work with the FPO of Jorg Haider to check if the human rights still were respected in Austria. This was the case. So is also the rule of law one of the cornerstones of the EU. Certainly it isn't a problem to appoint judges. Every country does that (in its constitutional court). But it becomes a problem if the independence of the juridical branch comes into jeapardy. Because, then you don't have an independent legal branche anymore and the state can influence the verdicts of the courts (like in China and Russia can happen). Besides, the discussion doesn't go about that anymore. It's the Polish decision to make its own constitution weigh heavier than the ECJ. While, when you become a member of the EU, it's clear that the ECJ is the highest authority in legal matters within the EU. It is that simple. For the moment, we're all waiting on the ECJ-ruling concerning the objections that Poland and Hungary made against the new (since the beginning of this year) directive of the EU concerning the rule of law. If the ECJ follows the EU, the EU will be able to block all EU-funds to Poland and Hungary. This ruling is expected this week. We'll see what it says.

[@nyali2]

@@dirkgonthier101 the EU court is as independent as its Chinese counterpart. Obviously any ruling regarding a conservative country was made before it went in front of the judges. The European court has no superiority, only in cases where the treaty grants it. Human rights and democracy are basic pillars, but it is very hard to define the boundaries. Do you think for instance that Brussels’ attempt to overturn conservative governments is democratic? Are they respecting the Hungarians democratic decision? Or are they respecting art 14 section 3, when they are not distributing COVID recovery funds due to an unrelated education bill?

[@dirkgonthier101]

@@nyali2 That may be your opinion, but every legal mind that I hear, tells me the opposite. Even the conservativbe supreme court in the USA didn't follow Trump in his claims of election fraude. Human rights are a treaty. That means that what they mean is written down, just like constitutions. There are disputes over it and they go before the ECJ. Brussels is not attempting to overthrow conservative governments. Ursula von der Leyen is a CDU-politician, thus of a conservative party. Charles Michel is a politician from the Mouvement Reformateur, thus a conservative party. The only thing that occupies Brussels is the correct compliance to EU-rules. If everybody follows them, it isn't too much to ask that Poland follows them too. For the rest, Brussels doesn't care which government sits where. As long as it follows the EU-rules, subcidies will continue to flow. As example you can always look at the two Austrian governments with parties of extreme right signature as a part of them (one with the FPO of Jorg Haider, the other one with the FPO of Heinz-Christiaan Strache). There never were problems with one of these governments and Brussels. Poland and Hungary are two nations that don't follow EU-rules. If you don't follow the EU-rules, you can't expect of the EU that the subcidies flow as usual. Both nations knew this on forehand, but they both stuck their middle finger up to Brussels. A reaction is bound to come. At the moment, we're waiting on the ruling of the ECJ about the objections Poland and Hungary made against the new directive of the EU (since the beginning of this year) regarding the rule of law. If the ECJ follows the EU, the EU can block as good as all EU-money to Poland and Hungary. This ruling is expected this week.

[@oceanwave4502]

Hungary and Poland should consider leaving EU if this organization becomes a dictator.

[@Ecovaluations]

The only dictators here are the men who run Poland and Hungary.

[@speedylopez870]

@@Ecovaluations The most stupid comment I've read recently

[@konradsikora8328]

@@Ecovaluations 😂

[@mr.snaplles5964]

They still want to stay to continue leeching off money they just dont want to follow the rules like everyone else

[@speedylopez870]

@@mr.snaplles5964 I admit - I was wrong. The most stupid comment is here.

[@saladv6069]

EU doesn't want Poland to leave, neither does Poland.

[@wilson1097]

The way things are going nowdays shocks me alot

[@bensonfrank2297]

Things are getting better everyday,but can't still understand why people are turning it the other way round

[@gracemorris2790]

I don't really understand what's going on

[@kelvinmarkson9652]

Lol, i laugh you guys cause you're really missing alot

[@user-vt9wo3iw8d]

@@kelvinmarkson9652 How do you mean sir🙄 ?

[@williamsdavid4671]

@@kelvinmarkson9652 Me too I'm interested in knowing why you said such thing please

[@nina-ciara]

The Polish Constitutional Court has only confirm that EU law has primacy over national law only in areas delegated competence. The transfer of competence by Member States does not mean that their sovereignty is lost to the EU. It is contrary to the Polish Constitution for EU institutions to extend their competence arbitrarily.

[@evajusttakeura1431]

How naive you are, IT WILL NEVER ONLY BE CONSTITUTIONAL, AS LONG AS THE EU ARE ABOVE ANY COUNTRY'S LOKAL LAW. AND THE SOVEREIGNTY OF A COUNTRY DO NO LONGER EXIST, BUT HAVE BECOME A EU OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE. Just look at all the laws EU have made, especially concerning the illegal invasion in the EU. The German Chancellor Angela Merkel, "SAID WIR SHAFEN DAS" -- IN ENGLISH --- "WE CAN DO IT". But they could not, so Chancellor Angela Merkel, went to Turkey and made an agreement with the Turk, without the agreement of the EU. Or can YOU PROVE ME WRONG???

[@randomjack1791]

@@evajusttakeura1431 No one can prove you wrong. Mistaken people will argue to their deaths to stand by their false truths. You will never admit to being wrong, it would mean that you lived in a lie for years with only yourself to blame. Good luck in life.

[@ormbywaly4350]

@@randomjack1791 the same is true for you. with this approach to self-education and gaining knowledge, you will die in ignorance.

[@evajusttakeura1431]

@@randomjack1791 How do you know that I would never ACCEPT TO BE WRONG??? But of cause it is so easy for you to say WE CAN'T PROVE YOU WRONG, BUT I WILL TO MAY DEATHS TO STAND BY THE FALSE TRUTHS. So if you will be happy, then let Poland be under the German EU power. EU countries have never been in so big trouble after CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL, divided the EU States with their Citizens, to be taken their INDEPENDENCE AWAY FROM THEM. How many laws have the EU Government FORCED DOWN THE HEADS OF THE EU CITIZEN AND THEIR GOVERNMENT. EVEN THEIR CONSTITUTION MUST BE CRUSHED UNDER THE EU/GERMAN POWER FORCE.

[@darth3911]

@@evajusttakeura1431 Those whom believed in communism would stand in there believe till they died and we couldn’t prove the horrors of communism till after the Soviet union fallen apart before hand it was all rumors which couldn’t be proven now it’s fact with physical evidence.

[@Adorjan77]

00:14:10 "it's not double standards, because these are two different standards" - the exact definition of double standards.

[@Schdcdd]

No, it isn't. A double standard is one standard being interpreted inconsistently merely depending on who it applies to.

[@Adorjan77]

@@Schdcdd which is exactly what the arrogant Western European politicians with their neo-colonolial mindsets are doing vis-a-vis Poland. Thank you for pointing that out.

[@Schdcdd]

@@Adorjan77 Yes, I know.

[@shanemurphy9024]

@@Adorjan77 Poland has basked in the security and investment the EU has bought to it. For over two decades it has experienced 4% growth all due to its access to the common market. The current neofascist leadership is willing to risk all that in its attempt to subvert the polish legal system to subservience to it. Cut them off from the common market until they abide by its rules. A good dose of economic implosion will humble the wannabe Mussolinis of the ironically named Law and Justice Party and the resultant economic vulnerability whilst being next to Revanchist Russia would seem an apt punishment.

[@Adorjan77]

@@shanemurphy9024 you mean like the English humbled the Irish mid-19th century?

[@armosa]

Polak, Wegier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki. Simple as that!

[@Jon-tb2ty]

Well said and Big Respect from UK, stay strong 💪

[@tszirmay]

Been a thousand years now......

[@evasmith2705]

Go Poland! Do whatever is best for your country!

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

Votings unmistakenably show our will.

[@alflerran3536]

yes, when Polands only reason to stay in the EU is getting funds, then it better leaves. Nobody wants to keep Poland inside EU against their will. Without them more money for others is left.

[@josi8573]

80% wants to stay in the EU? I don’t think so. Where did that number come from?

[@irritatedanglosaxon1705]

93% polish want to leave EU

[@ChristopherSumera]

As always from selected anonymous pro EU demonstrators :)

[@rupert2019]

Even more. Its official data. Support to EU in Poland is very strong.

[@ChristopherSumera]

@@rupert2019 Not really. The problem is with questions. They always as questions in a negative way, social engineering. For example "Do you have a concern that Poland withdraw from the EU." concern is a keyword, OR "Do you have a concern that after Poland leave EU, you will not be able to freely travel" the point is that there is no relationship between EU and Schengen agreement. OR "Do you think that Poland is a beneficiary of EU funds? " This is tricky In the form of net dotation, yes. But in the form of gross dotation no. As regulations, production quotas limit, there is no income allow when projects are funded by the EU for few years. All dotations are really credits. You have to finish each step of the project on time or you will lose % of the dotation. So many times one company is, for example, finishing road, and a day after the second one is digging as they have to put their pipes, cables, etc. Very common situations and waste of huge money.

[@ten_tego_teges]

Its hard to a find a village in Poland that did not benefit from EU funds. Unless you're insane or extremely dimwitted it's obvious that Poland is benefiting greatly from the EU.

[@Wolek311]

Is 15 k crowd large?

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

Oh, global "free media" will tell you, it was 100k :-). We live in times when broadcast creats facts. The time when we believed that pluralism of media guarantees easy prevailence of truth are long gone.

[@Wolek311]

@@kacpersokoowski5208 Fact is fact. Media creats lies.

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

@@Wolek311 Surely. Media create lies that efficiently shape the society's attitudes. Such a lie is that there was "a 100 k crowd" in Warsaw. Average Europeans will believe it.

[@algrand52]

Poland's economy is heavily dependent on EU subsidy. There's no way Poland will bolt the EU. It's a marriage of convenience for Poland.

[@rrr19741208]

Fortunately, Poland’s economy is much more dependent on its own enterprises, not that much on subdidies. That is why Poland may buy a lot of Korean and Anerican equipment for Polish money, not the European one. Otherwise it would be blocked by Germany or France

[@damianpolandusa934]

money from EU is a compensation for access to the large Polish market. It is a win win to all EU. Poland also pays contributions to the EU like every member state, a.thirdly, 80% of this money returns to Germany and France, because Poland was sold out to them before 2015 so it is not actually win win for Poland.

[@randomjack1791]

Damian! Wake up! Mom is calling you for dinner! Damian! Wake up!

[@roromil2441]

@@randomjack1791 No counter-argument made. Ad hominem. Bot.

[@Leicht_Sinn]

Nah bip groth of poland has nothing to do with the common market and poland defintly isn't by a lage gap the biggest EU money receveir Also you only need to look at poland neighbors to see how stupid it would be Look at Brexit and Northen Irland or Scootland they sit on a island and still have huge border friction also poland will be even harder hit from the inverstors leaving the contry

[@gerrygeko9712]

It was supposed to be a trading block with a common currency, that's how they sold it to the people!!

[@joaomelo7018]

??? It's a union of states with common policy. What you're describing is a free trade area with a common currency, impossible. How would you handle common monetary policy with completely unharmonized legislation. People these days, don't think...

[@thereita1052]

That Is shengen area. If polish politicians sold It that way then they were lying. But I don't think they sold It that way either.

[@carlosandleon]

No, absolutely not. It was supposed to be political from the start. Since the inception of it.

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

@@carlosandleon Poles would never sell out their independece. For any money. We were told about a free cooperation of equal, independent states. And the current demand of the CJEU that we acknowledge their rulings as superior to our CONSTITUTION (not to our particular laws) is absolutely against the original treaty.

[@carlosandleon]

@@kacpersokoowski5208 It's either that or german tanks, lmao.

[@marekrutkowski2231]

Very creative bunch of lies

[@janosbrellos8943]

Upon accession, the competencies were fixed, the laws were harmonized and mutually recognized.Then, over time, the EU stole powers and changed laws. If these laws contradict the original and valid constitution or exceed competencies then the PL constitution grills. It is not a question of PLEXIT.

[@adam_zs8292]

Im Polish.That's the case.

[@cptpepper7731]

What laws are you talking about. The EU is trying to block the Polish government from taking over the whole court system, which would in effect make the courts puppets of the ruling party. The only thing now standing in the way of Kaczynski's authoritarian ambitions is the EU. Those patriots talking about sovereignty are helping the ruling party take complete control over Poland, which will be the end of sovereignty.

Even if it was as you said, the competence to interpret EU treaties belongs exclusively to the ECJ, not to national courts

[@youtubeisdeletingmycomment3235]

@ that's a lie. The judicial system competence belongs to the independent states, not the eu. It has never been a matter of treaties between Poland and eu. Eu is over using its powers

[@christofjani3180]

@@youtubeisdeletingmycomment3235 Poland is handling exactly according to the signed rulles: (ex Article 5 of the EC Treaty) (1) The principle of limited individual powers shall apply to the delimitation of the Union's competences. The principles of subsidiarity and proportionality apply to the exercise of the Union's competences. (2) In accordance with the principle of limited individual powers, the Union shall act only within the limits of the competences which the Member States have given it in the Treaties in order to achieve the objectives set out therein. All competences not transferred to the Union in the Treaties remain with the Member State

[@tszirmay]

Appointment of judges in Germany and France. The court's judges are elected by the Bundestag and the Bundesrat (a legislative body that represents the sixteen state governments on the federal level).In France, judges are recruited through competition or on the basis of special qualifications (Doctor of Law). They are then appointed by the president of the Republic. Elected governments in most countries appoint judges (Canada and USA for example) . Are they more independent than in Poland?

[@michaelrossi6733]

Yes

[@ervinnagy8450]

What happened with Schengen after Covid? It is not the same EU anymore... Poland is just a distraction

[@juniwalk]

What do you mean? There is still no "after covid" we are still in covid... what do you expect?

[@ervinnagy8450]

@@juniwalk free travel as used to be...

[@juniwalk]

@@ervinnagy8450 Not true, I was in Croatia few weeks back and it was completely smooth, no checks, nothing.

[@juniwalk]

Closed borders when it was the worst are completely understandable, at least for me. Now I don't see that much of a limitation to travel around EU.

[@peligraso]

i went to poland from germany last week. there wasn't any closed border. what are you talking about?

[@Pablo123.]

lol out of 38 million Poles, there weren't many there

[@anvaranvar4549]

40 PL+ 70 BR= 110 mio 1/5 of EU population...

[@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.]

Idiot. Of course the whole population isn't going to protest at once.

[@christiankalinkina239]

It's interesting when people point to big protests in Capitol cities considering the Capitol cities and cities in general are majority left/liberal oriented ignoring the politics of towns villages rural and even suburbs areas

[@PLTommia]

Thats is only one city! Did you think everyone will take a trip even 400km to one place to protest?! Btw 38mil that is Total number of population so do you think elderly, kinds people at work just leave everything and go to protest? You must be inbreed.

[@Jon-tb2ty]

Typical MSM making it look and sound like it's EU majority ,just like they did with 🇬🇧 even laughing at Mr Farage's Speeches, well their not laughing now are they 🤣🤣🤣

[@ewamackowska54]

Mr. Bruckner, when Poland joined the EU, it did not sign in to relinquish its law to supremacy of law of EU.

[@guloguloification]

@ It is Germany or Netherlands that flirts with Russia. Not Poland. Loola at who buys all the gas from Russia to fund their military.

[@ewamackowska54]

@@elephone1542 you're still talking NONSENSE!!!! While Poland as a 1st country helped desperate, running away from war millions of Ukrainians - you germans are watching in your comfortable couches and Doing NOTHING to ease Ukrainins' pain, loss, separations from their families left in Ukraine. God wants ALL His children to show others compassion, give help, show solidarity when they are suffering and NOT JUST TALK YOUR NEEDLES B....SH..T!!! this time I'm not apologizing for this expression. You're too comfortable Germans in general, you didi not pay Poland any RESTITUTIONS for the crimes of your grandfathers committed during the II world war. Period. Because for you - killing 6 millions poles is NOTHING!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!

[@ewamackowska54]

@@elephone1542 you're still talking NONSENSE!!!! While Poland as a 1st country helped desperate, running away from war millions of Ukrainians - you germans are sitting and watching in your comfortable couches and Doing NOTHING to ease Ukrainins' pain, loss, separations from their families left in Ukraine. God wants ALL His children to show others compassion, give help, show solidarity when they are suffering and NOT JUST TALK YOUR NEEDLES B....SH..T!!! this time I'm not apologizing for this expression. You're too comfortable Germans in general, you did not pay Poland any RESTITUTIONS for the crimes of your grandfathers committed during the II world war. Period. Because for you - killing 6 millions poles is NOTHING!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!! you bastards!!!!!!

[@ewamackowska54]

@@elephone1542 you're still talking NONSENSE!!!! While Poland as a 1st country helped desperate, running away from war millions of Ukrainians - you germans are sitting and watching in your comfortable couches and Doing NOTHING to ease Ukrainins' pain, loss, separations from their families left in Ukraine. God wants ALL His children to show others compassion, give help, show solidarity when they are suffering and NOT JUST TALK YOUR NEEDLES B....SH..T!!! this time I'm not apologizing for this expression. You're too comfortable Germans in general, you did not pay Poland any RESTITUTIONS for the crimes of your grandfathers committed during the II world war. Period. Because for you - killing 6 millions poles is NOTHING!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!! you bastards!!!!!!

[@sharischoll9411]

Doesn't matter if it is an unwritten law? Make it up as they go along. How is this not fascism?

[@tomekg6629]

You mean EU is fascist organisation?

[@pastre999]

“He who wields economic power calls the shots “

[@emmamoller8172]

Und was hat das noch mit Demokratie zu tun?

[@tszirmay]

You mean China?

[@RandomGuy9]

Maybe Western European countries should leave EU and do a new alliance with countries that values democracy.

[@ewamackowska54]

Thank you Premier of Poland - you are a Righteous man and you get all my respect, esteem, admiration. God bless you and Poland as well. Ewa - Edmonton - Canada

[@janniezbedny1449]

Well said,thanks

[@szyszka8303]

This journalism... Who is representing polish state point of view(selected by majority of polish ppl) here? I can see only selected individuals representing own point of view. It is not a journalism, it is propaganda.

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

It is shocking how quickly the "media world of democracy" is following in the footsteps of the former Soviet ideological monopoly. And they even don't suspect it.

[@tszirmay]

Of course, it is a political issue NOTHING more. In 2004 when Poland joined the Eu, the Polish PM was Marek Belka from the Democratic left Alliance. The PM of Hungary was the awful Ferenc Gyurcsany of the Socialist Party. They were in agreement with the leftist PMs of Western Europe and the Eu, so NO WONDER, it worked well. Poland and Hungary became populist when Western banks and businesses swooped in and made a killing (such as on student loans) , picking up factories for pennies. Also, there are 9 EU countries that have more rule infringements than Hungary and 3 more than Poland.

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

@@tszirmay You are right. Only, there is no such a thing as "populist" (at least not in Poland and Hungary now). This word is a beating stick in the corpo-globalist newspeak. The corpo-globalist media call "populist" every movement that is inconvenient for their business. Nationalist reclaiming democratic sovereignty isn't "populist". It is a defence of a nation state against global non-transparent hegemonies.

[@tomaszswiderski7407]

Well...the same law does not apply to certain members of State (Germany, France). Poland is growing rapidly (faster than the main leading countries) which threatens their interest that's why Poland is being bullied by them. Why transport law has been changed in France? Simply because polish transport companies were too competitive and took their business. That EU is a farse now. There are no equal rights to each member. BTW I am not big fan of leading Law & Order Party in Poland. It is my personal view. Thanks and stay well!

[@ten_tego_teges]

What a load of bollocks XD Turn off TVP and read some real news instead of right-wing propaganda.

[@ChristopherSumera]

​@@ten_tego_teges PIS is not a right party but a left. The only right party is Konfederacja. You do not know what are you talking about. Tomasz Swiderski has right about double standarts. Also, that is typical for the left side, they do not believe that we can do anything without older brothers. shame on you.

[@ten_tego_teges]

@@ChristopherSumera They are socially conservative and fiscally left-wing. They call themselves right-wing and all the media that supports them is broadly considered right-wing. If you wanna play semantics go ahead, I'm a little too old for that. > Also, that is typical for the left side, they do not believe that we can do anything without older brothers. I don't doubt we can, trouble is that in a globalised world we are pretty insignificant. On top of that, we are wedged between a dictatorship and the biggest trading block on the planet. Either we side with one side or the other. The past 15 years have proven that our EU partnership is mighty beneficial to us while the previous 40 years of communism make be doubt if Russia can offer any long-term prosperity.

[@arcadiopolonia8720]

@@ten_tego_teges Bro, T.Swiderski is right.

[@thereita1052]

Yeah but if your constitiutonal law opposes the foundations on whic the EU Is built then It Is kind of a problem

[@fugitive88888]

It was 20 000 max and the surroundings on Sunday are busy there. It was mostly people over 50.

[@Sonny111]

No size can fit all

[@Cosmicmiind]

Warsaw doesn’t represent whole of Poland !!

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

20 thousand people (not more can gather on a small square in front of the Royal Castle) don't represent whole of Warsaw, either. I am from Warsaw.

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

@@pepathebeagle6447 It is killing a human being. Surely, it is not a "human right".

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

@@pepathebeagle6447 yes, there are

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

@@pepathebeagle6447 First: Realize that both of them are living. There is no side of "non-living" here. Secondly, active killing (including the "unborn", as there is no much change of the human status in the moment of birth) is a much greater evil than non-sufficient care for adult people who led themselves into troubles while tresspassing law. We should return to normal ethics, instead of bleeding-hearts' laments that tyranise the western mentality.

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

@@pepathebeagle6447 The thing is that different European countries under the EU accession treaty have the right to their different laws. Voting majorities have the right to introduce liberal solutions or conservative solutions in their countries. European Commission trying to exclude Poland or to force her democratic majority to change her will (under the pretext of "human rights" or "liberties") is simply violating the EU accession treaty.

[@alphabarrie8403]

The UN, Eu, au and the Arab League are like the Unions of drinking buddies.

Try harder your fear addled nonsense is just gibberish.

[@walter3433]

That makes sense

[@margueritebeson8498]

Polen can easy leave and this should be a movement to turn the tables in the EU /EP

[@michalkuc1719]

Max 4000 people in this protest. Poland have 38 000 000 people.

[@PLTommia]

What a dump maths! If you counting whole Polish population then count people on protests in whole Poland in other many cities, not just one!

[@91more]

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT FOR 17 YEARS OF POLAND BEING IN EU EVERYTHING WAS FINE WITH THE EU SUPREMACY OF LAW AND THEN THIS GOVERNMENT GOT BORED OF GOING AFTER GAYS, WOMEN, DISABLED, IMMIGRANTS AND NOW IS TRYING THE EU???

[@mariuszwalas5950]

Do kłamstwo że w polsce ludzie są prześladowani, bardziej skrajne środowiska LGTB i lewactwo narzuca swoje wyobrażenie na nasze prawo, nikt osób LBTB nie prześladuje, tabliczki przed wjazdem do miejscowości były zrobione i zawieszone przez ludzi z LGTB, społeczność lokalna jedynie nie chce aby ich dzieci były przesładowane i namawiane przez organizacje LGTB w szkołach

[@przemyslawrozycki946]

They just don't want to pay money to Poland.

[@richard999]

EU law per se does not exist - EU regulations exist but they are enable by national laws which means that national laws have primacy. The EU likes to pretend otherwise. The issue is that EU regulations are being seriously used by Brussels to create “mission creep”. The same has been true of the ECHR.

[@rheijm9201]

@1240.. interviewer doesn t appear to notice the uh-saying phenomenon dont answer any questions. Interestingly the Poland judge subject is mostly.. quality standards. Alanis Morisette has a song that discussed the subject of irony, she well known on this youtube channel btw.

[@ormbywaly4350]

No, in the EU treaty it is clear that countries transfer 5 economic areas to the EU (of which Poland does not apply to the common currency). That is why the Polish Constitutional Tribunal judges that the EU exceeds its competences beyond those unallocated areas. More than 10 constitutional offices of other countries have previously issued such judgments, e.g. Germany, France, Spain, Romania, Lithuania and others, and Poland twice in 2005 and 2010.

[@WszystkoZajeteOMG409]

Common currency is bad idea. Every country except for France and Germany loses because of that. To tell the truth, there should be 3 currencies. West, East, South. That would make economy more stable. After some time you can try to merge these currencies.

[@abugayaw7030]

I see great confusion among the European countries ,you guys think you are wise we live to see

[@evajusttakeura1431]

I just have been written my opinion of EU, German Power, and Polands Constitutional Court. It were not allowed to be on the KZbin. However I will state that EU have NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY, but rather the opposites.

[@carlosandleon]

How is it not?

[@evajusttakeura1431]

@@carlosandleon the Democracy in the EU is dead. Why even the President is not elected by the EU Citizens. Angela van de Leyen, were even not on the voting list of the electoral list. So tell me how do you see the Democratic Agenda. Many Citizens DO NOT WANT THE EU, but they HAVE NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER TO GET OUT. THAT THE EU HAVE CLEVERLY MADE SURE, USING HUGE CAPITAL TO AVOID, THAT ANY COUNTRY CAN AFFORD TO. Look at Poland, they want to get out, BUT CAN THEY AFFORD IT???

[@carlosandleon]

@@evajusttakeura1431 Who said Poland wanted out. And how many is many? And you never voted for your representatives or what?

[@carlosandleon]

@@evajusttakeura1431 What do you mean she wasn't elected? she had 383 votes from the representatives. If she weren't in the list, how could she have those votes?

[@carlosandleon]

@@evajusttakeura1431 July 16, 2019 specifically

[@wojciechszymanowski]

This Guy from Warsaw is delusional, he forgot to mention that Polish judiciary system was reformed because there was a problem of communists and their descendants practically fortifying in the high court and constitution tribunal, not allowing any other judges to work there (only their family members or people of mutual interest/profit were allowed). Judiciary system needed to be cleansed, and current government is doing just that, by allowing judges from outside to replace those with ties to the era when soviets ruled over Poland, and to this day occupy most important branches of our judiciary system. Eventually we can slowly start to say that the court rulings in Poland are beginning to be fair, and the opposition like this guy, say that it was illegal 😂 (because government finally broke the decades long cooperation of communist sсцm!)

[@XX-iy5wy]

XD im from Poland and you are teling bulshit, we will adopt the same law as Germany, France or Lithuania, i.e. Polish law is more important than Euriopian law, the same law is in the countries I mentioned earlier \\ and I know if such large, around 20,000 people in Poland is a small protest

[@ceebee23]

The Ukraine war has revealed the absolute need for EU solidarity and the importance of human rights. Poland's government needs to think very carefully about corrupting is judicial system.

[@ceebee23]

@Carl Kocis and what "doctrine" is that? You mean human rights and freedom from bigotry and prejudice? The lies and utter gibberish spewed out by politicians and a pedophile church carry no moral weight at all.

[@shahadathossennayem2504]

Empty vessels sound more.

[@shakurullah]

How do you know their inside whether they are empty or not?

[@strickingJAH]

HOPE SO

[@OliPDZ1]

Even if Poland wanted to, it would not leave the EU so easily. The fact that Brussels will throw her out is nonsense will not allow such an important colony to be liberated.

[@ptasptasznick9305]

This is so superficial discussion. Nobody dived into the details. Even the ruling of constitutional court was ommitted and misrepresented. Discussion with so much omissions, half truths and plain lies is unreasonable and... stupid.

[@G4nd4lf]

It's bad in my opinion that among this 3 guests there are no one for the government side. It shouldn't be like that.

[@johnfoscolos5144]

Just who is Europe? definitely not the people, if they want the states to all follow the rules, why dont they ask the PEOPLE and not the stooges that rule Europe

[@jirichuran]

The Europe is a fiction, - trere is only reality - EC who rules of all.

[@georgeborcean8564]

This is the beginning of the end of EU. Poland , Hungary and others do not to give up their values just because Brussels wants to . Stay strong and do what England did or form an alternate eu.

[@h_fx57]

Its called “Polexit”

[@Zam_TV5]

More then 2 millions polish work in EU but polish don.t like immigration in poland

[@helenagrzegorczyk1114]

We do have immigration in Poland : over one million people from Ukraine. And the story about Polexit is simply fake news made up by opposition party, which is frustrated as they have not been able to win the elections for many years.

[@carlosandleon]

@Francis Bañares But it's a very restrictive one. They have a narrow selection.

[@n0rmalna]

Yes but I have higher education and still must speak English fluently ,if someone not sacrifice time to get m.a what he expected ?! We don't gave social programs every people want go further ,pl is only route to get to germany

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

>More then 2 millions polish work in EU < Because we are EU! :-) If you are from EU and you want to work in Poland, please, come. >but polish don.t like immigration in poland< That's what your media have put into your head. But it is false. We don't want relocation of migrants ruled by the EU authorities. But we have a lot of migrants in our country. The ones we like to host. Actually Poland is one of the countries with the largest number of migrants in the EU. But not Muslim or African ones.

[@carlosandleon]

@@kacpersokoowski5208 migrants and refugees are two different things

[@dawiddawid7198]

im polish and i think its closer than ever to Poland leaving the EU, reason? EU funds being blocked for Poland, so its only a matter of time when Poland bails out, European Comission doesnt want any compromise with polish government, and vice versa, so how can this end? with the current gov i can only imagine its gonna be Polexit sooner than you would think

[@alflerran3536]

yes, when Polands only reason to stay in the EU is getting funds, then it better leaves.

[@spaceshuttledoorgunner125]

Not only Poland but most eastern european countries only want the EU funds and benefits but don't want to be told what to do. It's what happens when you mix two different values, general western european and slavic cultures that only have the love of money in common.

[@tytanomir]

You don't know what you're talking about. And do not offend the Slavs.

[@cokurde]

u must be dumb kid. we pay same as every other member of eu lol

[@grapentine739]

This is the same thing egotistic ppl in America do with attitudes towards black families. You would do the same thing. Also the slavs were the most left wing ever

[@msab4883]

@@tytanomir read “the myth of the strong leader” you’ll understand why the west is different from the ex soviets, Slavs are traditionalist and attached to strong men over democracies

[@lisadiane10001]

Correct ! The Guy from the Brussels report got it right.... the EU should have stayed an economic union and the "Brussels boys" and eastern European countries are competing over who gets to be the 'authoritarian" winners

[@Henry_Jones]

Putin is laughing right now.

[@carlosandleon]

No, hiccups like this are normal in a union like this. If this weren't the case, you'd be under a dictatorship.

[@user-ci7vu7eo9w]

putin has a lot of problems in his own country

[@theon9575]

Who actually cares what that psychopathic megalomaniac thinks? Who trusts his judgement? A lot of people find Putin laughable, too. 😂. I do. " "My 💩 doesn't stink!" He's absurd. 🤣

[@dadbidad1322]

EU expansion geographically as well as in the scope of its power over its member states was not thought through properly. I believe people in the founding counties of EU have been disappointed in the results on both aspects.

[@randomjack1791]

In the end money will decide, and I do not mean the EU funds for Poland. German and Polish economies are deeply connected and none would want it to crash. Merkel doesn't want it, nor Morawiecki. Who would gain from pretty major German economic crash? France, Belgium and Netherlands... wonder which nations spoke strongest against PiS? Any guesses?

[@WszystkoZajeteOMG409]

Germany because they have their own Political Party injected into Poland

[@jozefdekan8253]

why should any country except to change its own personal laws why should they accept that being a part of Union of Europe that doesn't mean that the countries have to change their laws all that means that they are a member of something bigger than themselves and therefore no one should implement the laws in their own country

[@loyalist5736]

If Poland backs down ..that's it it will have to always bow .

[@eyesofibad2461]

yeah, totally agree. They must keep their ground.

[@jirichuran]

EU have told to people, EC have right to change any constitution of any so called member state. . . . It means, that for EC - The Constituon of Poland s is only a pile of irrelevant papers.

[@dvonpache]

Excuse me? I assure you, the cultural & national achievements of Polish independence and identity by my progenitors were paid in 1000 years of blood shed EXACTLY because of people like you. Do NOT test our resolve & sit yours right where you belong & don't come around.

[@jirichuran]

@@dvonpache The problem is, that for EU and for Ursula von der Leyen especially, ringts of people are nothing, rights of member states irrelevant, and co falled "european values" everything.

[@frenk4468]

None is forcing Poland to stay Just leave and walk on your own! All the other countries are respecting the minimum level of democracy except Poland and Hungary Both countries are useless for the EU economic and are only creating problems and takes resources

[@youtubeisdeletingmycomment3235]

@@frenk4468 what do you know about democracy in Poland? Have you ever been there? Have you spoken to people? Have you observed last 5 major elections to say it wasn't democratic or you just get your information from the massmedia? How do you know what you hear on TV is true? Ruling party in Poland won 5 major elections and there was no complaints about lack of democracy about it. After 7 years of having power they still have huge support from the society and are miles ahead from the the opposing party. Isn't that democratic? Or is democracy only when leftist and german loving parties win the elections? Gather some proper informations before you make a statement again. In other case you make a brainwashed fool out of yourself

[@frenk4468]

@@youtubeisdeletingmycomment3235 That's the point! This government has the majority in Poland, so it reflects the mentality of the majority of the country At the same time this government and his leader are far away from being democratic, because never forget.. In order to be democratic you have to respect every person not only the white, straight Christian polish and they don't. Poland and Hungary are holding down the rest of the countries in Europe that are miles a miles ahead them. Answer one question: why should EU keep them if they are totally useless military, economically and politically But both get millions and millions every month not giving anything back to the other countries? Eu has a plan for immigration, green economy and human rights, all the country sticks to this rules except this two countries So it is better for them go get out and show to the rest of the world what they can achieve with their political model and without the eu charity

[@Tempestni02]

Money above sovereignty. Pathetic.

[@Gezira]

you're free to be poor, of course

[@Gezira]

and alone.

[@ljt3084]

Can’t eat or heat with sovereignty. Ask the Brits now.

[@Gezira]

@@ljt3084 he knows :)

[@markwilliams7091]

When people speak of the "rule of law", they invariably have an utter contempt for the will of the people as expressed through the actions of their democratically elected representatives. By "the rule of law", they mean that the people should do what they are told by their betters who know what is best for them and not be such a nuisance. By "rule of law", they mean rule by the experts, rule by the bureaucrats, rule by the elite.

[@Andrew-fe7zi]

arent there at leat a few countries that don't recognize primacy of EU law? Nothings gonna happen here

[@veli1495]

Its all BS... they're just teasing Poland for leaning towards the east a bit to buy military drones etc...

[@brianfleming8561]

The most coherent comment was that by Viktor Orban.

[@swamphead6578]

Why would Poland want to leave? Aren't they the country who receives the most funds from EU?

[@tomviktorsson5052]

ok , so EU laws or legislations hold supreme power over the national LEGISLATIONs, which are laws that created by the government , BUT the national CONSTITUTION is usually NOT the government or created or changed by the government , the constitution usually hold supreme power OVER the government , unlike Hitler or the EU , by which the government hold supreme power over the CONSTITUTION . Asking to override the government 's legislation is fine , but to override their CONSTITUTION , including human rights is completely different.

[@stfnsipos]

I will be not surprised.

[@TomKrysiak]

"it's not double standards because these are two different standards" LOL my favorite quote (14:10)

[@bogdanmeleshchenko6706]

Bunch of hypocrites.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Double standard refers to two versions of the same standard applicable to similar circumstances. There is no one standard here because these are two completely different situations with two separate standards, as he elaborated further

[@demonslayereren3970]

All countries should leave EU dictatorship

[@mischa1880]

It could and it should. Poland would do much better on its own. They could then lower taxes and attract all the wealthy people that will be running away from the western countries to tax friendly ones.

[@PLTommia]

So tell why they can not lower taxes now??? 🤔

[@TheeRomantic]

Did Poland learn anything from the UK 🤨 Poland would be hurt WAY more than the UK

[@thedude2916]

UK is ok, because theu have great currency and a massive economy. Poland are poor and have Russia close to them .

[@albertkowalski5629]

@@thedude2916 Poland is way richer than everybody thinks. This is why USA support Poland because they smell the money. EU regulations are hurting Polish economy especially when it comes to agriculture and Climate. Poland is losing more money than it receives.

[@cbs577]

Yes but we'd rather die on our feet than live on our knees. The EU is untenable.

[@szymonziarko7151]

Poland should independent from Germany and many bad European politics. Polish Constitution is first than Union European Law. Greetings from Poland. We want to be real free!!!

[@tomekg6629]

The subject is Poland - and all invited guests are Germans or paid by Germans :D.

[@kacpersokoowski5208]

These are the famous "European values"!... XD

[@steved3577]

Poland has a constitutional right to protect it's Christian values, present and future regardless of government, without coercion from Christian, Jew or Muslim

[@carlosandleon]

How did this become a religious debate? That's not even the issue here.

[@xenon2kx]

Actually large city’s like Warsaw or Krakow will like to stay in .Rest of the country wanna out It’s like Cali & NY in US leaning left and rest ,special south don’t want socialism

[@robertgrabowski]

Obie partie prounijna (PO) i antyunijna (PIS) realizują konsolidację elektoratu w tle sporu o TSUE. Cała sprawa już nawet jest mało istotna bo to mocno zniuansowany spór. TSUE ani Trybunał Konstytucyjny nie decyduje o oddawaniu kompetencji do Brukseli. O tym decydują traktaty. Ale merytorycznie TSUE ma rację, tyle że nie ma prawa orzekania w takich sprawach jak polski ustrój sądów. Gdybyśmy się cofnęli do czasu traktatu z Lizbony. Polski polityk Jan Rokita wykrzykiwał z trybuny sejmowej: "Nicea albo śmierć", parafrazując kubańskiego El Comendante "socialismo o muerte". Po Lizbonie elity europejskie chciały stworzyć europę federalną i to nie Polska czy nowi członkowie zablokowali konstytucję europejską ale Holendrzy i Francuzi. A co takiego się dokonało w Lizbonie? Transformacja do dominatu. W praktyce Wielka Brytania, Francja, Niemcy, Włochy zaczęły sprawować władzę w UE realizując bezpardonowo własne interesy np: Nord Stream. Układ jest nierównoprawny i jako taki nie może trwać wiecznie. Przypomina to republikę rzymską. Gdy Oktawian August pokonał Marcus Antonius i Brutusa kazał się tytułować princepsem czyli pierwszym z równych ale instytucje republikańskie, które przywrócił co zauważył Cycero nie służyły już republice ale Oktawianowi. Dzisiejszy spór to echo Lizbony. Rzeczywisty spór w tej sprawie dotyczy wyboru drogi na przyszłość. Europa federalna kontra europa ojczyzn.

[@FrankE.Fackler]

Thanks a lot once again loaded my card and double my investment

[@imanabdullah3263]

The European taliban should be kicked out of the EU. they are draining the budget, receiving billions, but act like it doesn't owe anything to the union...

[@johnsmith-vz3vr]

abdullah where are yours benefits ?

[@agnesszi6195]

The roots of the problems are going back to the French Revolution, to the secularisation of religion, where on one hand we focus on God - and in the other hand in the modern-western value systems, where MAN is the main center of life. There is a clash of civilisations within Europe too: in the middle of the continent, between traditionally eastern christian and western liberal perspectives. The interpretation of law is only a reflecting mirror of this.

[@airborne_12v]

Eu work together listen to Hungary and Poland stop threatening praise god be safe everyone

[@ddwkc]

Poland leaving EU would be pretty stupid because how integrated their economy is with Germany. EU = Germany (with some France) basically. Unless they integrate their economy with someone else, I don't see leaving EU over "principles" wise in long term. Unless Poland government wants to "integrate" with Russia.

[@damirhajrulahovic9906]

I doubt they want Russian economy 😂

[@jarosawbielski2301]

Do not tell your neighbor: go away and come back later, and tomorrow I will give you - when you can give immediately.

[@nidzramaradam3479]

Poland back to satellite state of Russia...

[@eriangelino7800]

Will EU continue to exist? Yes, but it will shrink to 6 or 7 countries.

[@Sonny111]

Yeah they could

[@jwhippet8313]

Why when the EU says "Rule of Law" it always means gay stuff? It's like a Rainbow Empire.

[@gerardmalan3391]

A few thousands the most , definitely NOT "hundreds of thousands" guys 🤣 BTW Polish population is around 38 000 000 people

[@charleskristiansson1296]

Sovereignty and individual sovereignty is important.

[@PRLcafe]

Maybe 840 people ….? Altogether….?

[@pahis1248]

I´m more worried about Hungary and nothing to vote for, Or is there? we shall see.

[@pelletheconqueror7974]

No Polen will not leave the EU. They do not dare. Look to the east and see what countries lay there.

[@boloyeung1947]

Jak będzie trzeba to ich usuniemy

[@albertpacaj6871]

at least 50 / 60 years of late comment

[@samsabini1638]

I'm NOT fond of the EU

[@DacianRider]

hope not.

[@TheMrExemplar]

Total clickbait video Poland cannot leave EU because it is too depended on them

[@susanrhodes7118]

The Uk hand Polands back in the war but does Poland care about the UK?

[@youtubeisdeletingmycomment3235]

Hmm what? What war Britain ever hold Polands back?

[@toneyeye]

Poland is encouraged by the lack of any consequences for Orban in Hungary.

[@algrand52]

@@djtBrito well, then they should refuse the subsidy their country is getting from the EU. Every other member countries abide by the EU judicial uniformity, why can't Poland, whose economy is dependent on EU subsidy.

[@polishnorwegianandspanish9145]

Poland as citizens want to abide by the law of the EU. We don’t believe that we are can lose our sovereignty. Government is the problem. They are lacking diplomacy and they are ultra-conservative. They make laws against women, lgbt community and they get away with it. They were elected because they had a very beneficial social program in favour of the poorest. Citizens of Poland didn’t know that the situation will look like this now. They would have never elected these people. They are anti-democratical

[@algrand52]

If they want to have real sovereignty, all they have to do is pull out of the union. The problem with Poland is, they take all the benefits of being in the union, without abiding with the rules one is subject to by being in the union. Same with the other dictatorship Hungary. They should take their fate into their own hands, get out of the EU and gain real sovereignty. Lol

[@algrand52]

@@djtBritoit is a Polish court, not an EU court. Every member surrenders a part of their sovereignty once they're in the EU, everyone understands that, except the dictatorships in Poland and Hungary. Every EU nation must abide by the union's judicial uniformity, which I don't think you understand.

[@thereita1052]

@@djtBrito it's kind of a mess of your constitiutonal law Is agianst the principles of the EU. It's like putting a member of Isis in a ONU Council. Obviusly this Is an exageration but you get the point.

[@AndreaDavidEdelman]

They won’t leave. They just want some control.

[@Jibe111111111]

Of course they do, control over their destiny

[@margueritebeson8498]

When human laws fail Gods laws prevail !

[@rbtx6700]

Mr Bodnar was polish Ombudsmen, from my experience he neglected elderly care law - in making it simar to EU. Maybe he/previous goverment is one of the reason of current tensions- previous goverment coud be more justice and efficient in economy. Quran states beauty about justice...

[@christofjani3180]

This person explained in very bad German to the German that the Poles are like animals and asked them to continue taming. No wonder that there is now tension. No nation would allow that. Disgusting. The only rights he represented were those of the left and was against a democratically elected government.

[@kunaalsharma1039]

First went the Soviet Union then going European Union

[@greekorthodox2128]

Do it Poland!!!! Get out!!!