Could Suriname WIN The World Cup?

In this Football Manager 2023 video I find what would happen if all the the players eligible for Suriname declared for them instead of the Netherlands. Could it be enough to take them all the way to a World Cup win?
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[@seanpoole4026]

That was pretty cool. A suggestion for a future one could be what would happen to France if you changed all of their players to their second nationality? Could imagine the French squad would be a lot worse off and some African nations would improve vastly.

[@Secondyellowcard]

That's actually kinda interesting as well, almost the reversal of this concept! I'd never even thought about that, really like that, expect to see that on the channel at some point :)

[@seanpoole4026]

@@Secondyellowcard maybe it could lead to the first African winner of the World Cup. Will definitely keep an eye out for the video when you have chance to create it. Should be very interesting to see what happens.

[@iampostcode]

@@Secondyellowcard The likes of Algeria and a couple of the West African nations would be ridiculously good.

[@JohnnyMaverik]

@@Secondyellowcard If you try it and it produces interesting results you could also try confiscating all of the Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish & Irish players from England over a period of time.

[@ryanherbert4878]

Yup this would be amazing.

[@rayenrudrasingh5287]

I am of Surinamese descent I've spent hours upon hours doing this in this past. We actually managed to win the World Cup once with Quincy Promes as the star man 😅

[@tutin4090]

DR Congo have a HUGE pool of dual-nationality stars, in fm18 I used the editor to switch all the Congolese players allegiances. Assombalonga and Lukaku had a sensational partnership

[@joewood791]

I sign a wonderkid from Suriname, when managing Barcelona in the 2050s, who had played 22 times and score 6 for Suriname by the age of 19. He was a CB and was being used as a CM in the national team despite not being able to play there because he was their best player. He was sold to PSG by the AI after I left the job and I checked. He had 180 PA after coming from a non-descript South American team.

[@mikorrhiza]

Similar to Suriname, Indonesia also has plenty of dual-nationality player (most of it are Dutch). In fact, some of it are from European top flight league (e.g. Tommy St. Jago, Pascal Struijk, Neraysho Kasanwirjo [he also has Surinamese blood, seen in this video], Jairo Riedewald, Million Manhoef, etc.). Maybe u should do that as well for the next video.

[@DjamieA]

Manhoef plays for my local club, Vitesse 😂

[@DB-gn6qd]

None of those players would ever play for Indonesia just like the majority of Dutch players wouldnt want to play for Suriname. The money, the bureaucracy and corruption is just not good enough.

[@Mr.Jong21]

But Indonesia isn't recognized dual citizenship or dual nationality, only one nationality.

[@mikorrhiza]

@@Mr.Jong21 ah yeah, my bad for phrasing it that way. it should be "half-blood", i think?

[@stevenrussellhaime6626]

The Suriname League has a team called Robin Hood

[@ChipThompsonArseCrayonGaming]

This was super cool! I feel like every year we see people doing the same experiments and it's great to see some different ones. More of this please!

[@Secondyellowcard]

Thanks mate! That means a lot :)

[@NegaNekojin]

I always wondered what would nations like Suriname and/or Curaçao fare if they were to keep their talent, so glad to see this experiment. .P.S.: After watching Jamaica reaching two Gold Cup finals in a row (and winning one) during this experiment I wonder how much would Jamaica improve if all the AngloJamaican players were to declare for the "Reggae Boys"

[@Secondyellowcard]

I'm thinking Jamaica could be a very good shout for the next one of these!

[@MazeMouse]

It's interesting because would all these Surinamese players have developed as well as they have if they weren't Dutch? Since a lot of them were born in the Netherlands to Surinamese parents, making them at the very least Dutch born. And I don't think it's unfair to say that Dutch clubs have beter developmental infrastructure than the Surinamese clubs.

[@harrybeddoe8205]

None of these players were even born in Suriname

[@NegaNekojin]

@@harrybeddoe8205 Your point is? Nationality is more than a birthplace and if you were to take a look in the national team compositions is not weird to find a few players that fit this situation. And if you think that cases like the one on this experiment are impossible to see in real life, then let me remind you of the Albanian national squad for the Euro 2016: The overwhelming majority of the squad was not born in Albanian ground as they came from countries like the neighbouring Kosovo, Germany, Switzerland, Greece, Italy and even Spain. If a nation like Albania could do it in real life, why can't Suriname do it in a fictional scenario for a videogame?

[@redakieboom5545]

Almost all the players are half dutch and are raised and born in the netherlands

[@infernocfc9038]

Interesting to see a good handful of the real players signing for Mexican clubs, as in real life there’s never been a Surinamese in Liga MX before. Taking away French nationality from those dual nationals could be really fun.

[@YoiAmGucci]

Love this. Done this on FM13 changing uncapped players to declare for Suriname and it was so much fun. One of my favourite saves. Also either done it with or considered this with Jamaica, Cape Verde, Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau. Some African nations have been fun but most are pretty established. If Martinique or Guadeloupe could qualify for a WC that would be a lot of fun. Might try Curacao next as they have been progressing IRL. Love the video Matt!

[@marcostegenga961]

I want to see a ACoconut save, that has to be one of the best club names ever

[@e_eyster]

South America clubs have some absurd names. I always have been partial to the Tanzanian club Simba SC who are actually starting to turn into a bit of an African giant (made top 8 in African Champions League 3 of last 5 seasons) and are arguably the best African team not from North Africa right now

[@este6169]

was it names or games ?​@@e_eyster

[@kestamine1441]

cool video, similar to like other people have said, those with French first nationality being changed to their second and looking at several countries (like Guinea-Bissau, DR Congo, Martinique to name a few) could be a cool way to expand on the idea. keep these up, love the alternate universes/super agent stuff you've been doing :))

[@danielpalland37]

i tried as a part Surinamese guy. Too build the nation up but struggled with players choose for the Netherlands. But i loved it so much

[@godking4118]

awesome video mate ,keep up the good work,we are actually hoping to qualify for the 2026 world cup, with the usa canada and mexico out of the picture being the host and all,we think we have a chance alot of good players have chosen to play for Suriname with are star player being the speed demon sheraldo becker who helped Union berlin reach the champions league for the first time in history

[@AntiAdd]

It's a shame that Becker, Pinas and Haas never lived up to their potentials. They all had the chance to be great, but failed to make that kind of impact. With three additional players of 150+ CA the core of the team would be quite good. I wonder if additionally to bad luck with injuries and bad personalities they suffered from not being Dutch anymore. If I understood the method of editing them to be only surinamese correctly, you turned their Dutch nationality into Surinamese, therefore removing the EU-Player-Status, i suspect. Maybe that has a negative impact on their ability to play games, because of the registration rules. Normally they are even stricter in Youth Leagues and for second teams. Maybe it had no impact at all, but it was something I wondered from the start of the video and seeing so many top prospects never making it, I wonder if it did hinder them.

[@Secondyellowcard]

I suspect that the rules would still be fine, as they would almost all gain home grown status in a few seasons, likely before they ever come close to playing for the first team

[@TheMCArchitectTV]

I have been subbed for a while, for some reason I don't watch that many videos of yours. But you are really underrated, great content and quality

[@Secondyellowcard]

Thanks very much mate :)

[@jameswillmert3589]

Or any of the French or US or English territories around the world that has population you should do this with each of the three countries today said

[@Nigel4]

I had a save with Curacao and found a lot of players with them as a second nationality. They could be worth trying Another way could be choosing a nation like New Zealand or the UAE and setting the best youth players in the top 5 leagues, or even 5 smaller leagues (Austria, Scotland, Poland etc) to that nationality and see if you can build a squad from that

[@jordanbright4887]

This concept is so good it made me subscribe, definetly more of this!

[@P3TER_Official23]

Nowadays actually many Dutch players who had little or no success in the Dutch national team, declared for Suriname So this is a bit realistic as well (but not like VVD level players, but still known ones, for me at least)

[@chiiv999]

They're doing horrible... I don't know why because they have a fairly experienced squad

[@joeydiaz7707]

Appreciate the effort that this would’ve took, class video idea

[@MrMeoow91]

In my current save with a big data base. Mali beat England 2-0 and won the 2026 WC.

[@GreenDayGA]

What happened to Renzo Adelij? He is 30 years old in 2047 but wasn't in the national team.

[@Secondyellowcard]

Just had a look, he retired from the nation team at 30 earlier that year after getting 115 caps

[@Murtini2023]

17:50 "Spurs are here as well" made me spit my tea out ffs.

[@Secondyellowcard]

It had to be done!

[@Ciaranion]

Great video. I think more of these style of one hit videos are great to dive into. I sometimes feel if I miss the start of a series it can be hard to jump in halfway through. These longer videos on one project/experiment are a lot easier to consume vs 60 part series.

[@Secondyellowcard]

That's awesome to hear! It's a lot of the reason i don't do the long let's play series on the channel any more. They were too hard to keep up with over a long time :)

[@Ciaranion]

@@Secondyellowcard I do love the series. I came in at the end of outcasts to icons just as took over Roma but loved that. Wow I feel old that was fm15. Time goes too fast. Keep at it man, amazing you can create such quality videos for so long.

[@hanzouwu]

11:39 The best part of the video

[@e_eyster]

Probably would be tricky, but could do some proposed/past Unions coming to fruition like EAU (DR Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, South Sudan), Sahel States (Burkina Faso, Mali, Guinea), Gran Colombia (Colombia, Ecuador, Panama, Venezuela), Yugoslavia (Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Kosovo)

[@MrReese]

That Batman jingle from the 60s tv series is one of my favorite sounds of all time :D.

[@DominikMalinowski95]

Great video as always! Only thing that was going through my mind was: what could have happened, if they changed their manager, because it was the same guy for all the time (presumebly unsackable due to the results and position). Maybe a better manager could've taken them even higher 🤔

[@Secondyellowcard]

They actually did change their manager, Winter retired after a while, but he was present for quite a lot time

[@jameswillmert3589]

You should do this with the UK and the British Virgin Islands and maybe France and reunion

[@KeremBeduk]

Changing all the players that are eligible for Turkey could be good. They have many players in Germany, the Netherlands, England and Austria that have declared for those countries

[@scarred_flamingo4085]

As someone who does an rtg on surinamese player becker, this was a great video to have

[@glebpopov7246]

Uhh what’s the final state of Renzo?? Cool vid, hoping to see more of such soon!

[@antising8834]

Thank you for this video. Nice to see where Suriname could go in a few years.

[@chiefhodge5916]

Try Ireland, I know most players like rice were born in England but it would be great to see what couldve been

[@tai6794]

If only they actually switched to Suriname instead of picking Netherlands😢😊

[@davidrobinson8304]

Amazing video! What a guest

[@wossa5910]

great video matt!

[@GreenOokami]

I'd love to see this done with Ireland, since a lot of them with Irish as a second nationality seem to play for England

[@rizky_nawan]

Try Indonesia, cause we have similiar background as Suriname, but fewer players actually called-up by Netherlands.

[@nickfury8973]

I guess if the newgens have dutch as first nationality, they will get potential based on Netherlands’ youth rating, instead of Suriname’s youth rating It seems all your high PA guys are created based on Dutch coefficients

[@Goudhaantje1993]

You mentioned Denzel Dumfries. He's Aruban. As for video ideas similar to this one: - All Algerian second nationality players in France declare for Algeria - All Congolese second nationality players in Belgium declare for Congo.

[@Secondyellowcard]

His mother is Surinamese and he literally has Suriname 2nd nationality in the game :)

[@Goudhaantje1993]

@@Secondyellowcard Huh, weird. I just checked in my save on FM23 and it really does say ''Aruban''. In real life he's also played for the Aruban national team, but only a couple of friendlies so he could still switch to Netherlands later on.

[@ahmedfathi3217]

-How good are you at football manager? -I can win the champions league with a coconut 😂😂

[@alanatty4957]

Great vid! You should do the same with Congo DR, Ivory Coast and/or Nigeria

[@ukfootballscore]

16:35 you missed that they also won the nations league...

[@wristbreak]

This is a good idea. Would be very interesting to see this done with Jamaica or Nigeria

[@xxxyyy461]

I have noted that at 16:44 for Haiti scored guy called Lubin, which is a name of a town in Poland where I actually live. In Lubin is located club KGHM Zaglebie Lubin which competes in Polish top flight. That is crazy for me! As a side note for anyone intrested, Lubin is pretty small town, ~70k people where is located main sponsor of the town and football club KGHM that is one of the biggest producer in copper mining industry.

[@agpzoemusic]

Yea Lubin is a very Haitian/French Name. They Should do FRANCE/HAITI

[@alternatehistorysports]

Experiment idea: Saudi Arabia buys the 8 top rated clubs in the World, and brings them to the Saudi league. They can still play in their home ground. The question is, how does this affect the Saudi National team?

[@farrasaj7314]

i like this series, maybe you can experiment with using Indonesia. Many players in Dutch (Netherlands) who also have Indonesian in second nationality (same as Suriname)

[@tedjarman4686]

Honestly believe that Turkey would be a DYNASTY on FM if Germany didnt steal all their players.

[@Secondyellowcard]

That's a really good shout, i think at the very least we could see them going super deep into a EURO's or something

[@FishoftheMun]

This was very cool. I’m sure it’s been mentioned before but maybe do one of the French territories. Or possibly Angola dude to the Portuguese link.

[@Secondyellowcard]

I'm working on one with Angola as we speak, there are some insane players they'd get the benefit of!

[@TheGabrielPT]

You could do this experiment with portuguese players with Angolan as 2nd nationality as well

[@JohnnyMaverik]

Mozambique, Cape Verde and Sao Tome & Principe are common secondaries for Portuguese players as well although I don't believe as many gen as Surnamese for the Netherlands. Angola is likely the most common (no data just running off my memory of briefly doing a Portugal rags to riches climb save).

[@proplayermc6796]

Enrico Tempo is the only person that has fulfilled his name in the world.

[@Secondyellowcard]

He is something we can all aspire to!

[@aidengallagher6681]

Absolutely superb video once again. I would love to see one where instead of getting a smaller nation. Simply get rid of all the half French players to their African nationality and see how far France fall

[@paulisebaert492]

Wouldn't it be possible to code a file to set all players to have their second nationality as their primary one. Would be interesting to see as it would probably mean that more countries become competitive

[@OddlySpecificGaming]

Great concept for a video

[@MazeMouse]

A tip maybe. You were looking for Surinamese as second nationality. But it wasn't clear to me if you were also looking for players with Surinamese as their primary nationality (and Dutch or whatever) as their second nationalit who could later declare for their second)?

[@Swaggeryoloboy]

Dumfries is from Aruba

[@Secondyellowcard]

His mother is Surinamese and he has it listed as a secondary nationality in the game :)

[@Swaggeryoloboy]

@@Secondyellowcard o lol beacause he has played for Aruba and the Netherlands

[@gregersfredenielsen6456]

Would be really cool if you did a video where every player with a split nationality chose to represent the lowest ranking nation:)

[@cimbom35TR]

What would happen to Turkey if all the players from Germany/Netherlands etc joined the national team? Great idea of a serie btw, love it

[@Secondyellowcard]

Turkey is one i definitely want to make, i reckon they could become a massive force with all those German players

[@corgi_plus]

I Have A Suggestion For A Video "Can San Marino Win The World Cup,, Or "Can A Team From San Marino Win The Champions League,,

[@kostasxenakoudis549]

Albania and Jamaica could be interesting for a similar project

[@celeda1]

Great vid - but where did you get that jumper???

[@Secondyellowcard]

You are in luck! It's from Shein and was insanely cheap, yet feels really nice! www.shein.co.uk/Men-Antler-Print-Thermal-Lined-Sweatshirt-p-9694853-cat-1974.html

[@KingFahtah]

I think enda story did some of these a while back. Dr Congo has to be an obvious candidate.

[@Harkote10]

U need to do this with algeria

[@tobiaswhaley7030]

Awesome idea, I'd love to see this repeated with some of the African and European nations nations too.

[@Secondyellowcard]

There are loads of possibilities, people seem to like it so i should get a chance to do a few more of these :)

[@andymanser2523]

You could maybe do a san marino one, maybe some italian players that qualify and swap over. Get the worst European nation up a few steps.

[@tonyguyan9559]

Can’t remember if it’s Curacao or Comoros who have great players with dual nationality.

[@Secondyellowcard]

I nearly did this with Curacao instead, but they had less players currently playing that would switch, so i figured this would be a better one to start with!

[@amirilan4435]

I do think there is a problem with having the same manager, having a different manager would have helped...

[@pedroo.marquees]

you should do the same thing with guinea-bissau or cape verde

[@tracklistwarrior]

you have to do Guadaloupe mate

[@bevloy7517]

I think you should leave reference very based Matt 😮

[@asfaltseksem7385]

Maybe do Sweden and Switzerland is the same country? Alot more regen switching, but not too bad.

[@paokarakis]

A better option would be to go to a national team and remove every player that has a second nationality like France Germany England for example rather than trying to poach away only one nationality

[@Tranquilz0r]

What a great concept! I would love to see you do an African country, let’s say Ghana?

[@jameswillmert3589]

And then maybe with the US in Puerto Rico

[@ThreeRunHomer]

A coconut! 🥥 Awesome.

[@jakovgrbesa6400]

" Nigel" got me 💀💀💀

[@SamHolmes64]

I think DR Congo and Belgians would be a really interesting idea.

[@tafadzwagoreraza1547]

You can always do one for Zimbabwe

[@ExRole]

wsg our country is rlly small but anyway we gotta try to win!!

[@zainyy_amp]

Can you do this with morocco! So much players have moroccan 2nd nationality.

[@br4804]

This got me thinking of fardin

[@martijnkosters9024]

Where did Adelij end up in the end?

[@samfm5244]

Do a save where every team has a youth rating of 200

[@Harry-Homan]

Would be interesting if you did this with Ireland. To see jack grealish and Declan rice wear the Irish jersey…. 😂

[@TheMrKrist]

What if every player played for their second nationality team?

[@linusdiko5546]

A Coconut yeah my team

[@tightfistedgoat5217]

Cool experiment, what skin do you use? Or anyone know?

[@Secondyellowcard]

It's SAS23, it's linked in the description :)

[@iancu10laurentiu]

Dumfries has Aruba roots

[@tutin4090]

Love to see Boy Waterman with some representation, iconic for me back on FM08 :)

[@yenscallens]

Please do it with the DR Congo, they could win a word cup i think.

[@MrCrispy941]

I'm not sure, even the Netherlands cant win it, not sure a change of kit would help xD

[@HaStylez]

How do you find a database where you can switch on leagues like Suriname?

[@Secondyellowcard]

I used Timo's databases, which can be downloaded from FMScout, usually by this time of year he has made most league's playable so it the perfect time for videos like this :)

[@HaStylez]

@@Secondyellowcard Thank you!

[@danielekweaga216]

Could you do one with Nigeria

[@billytv5305]

Do it with martinique curacao angola cape verde catalonia

[@MrJeremySF]

lmao @Enrico Tempo

[@harrywollers9418]

Try and do this with Ghana

[@B2_9]

Can you do it with Congo rdc

[@calebburkhart3875]

Any English player with a second nationality would love to see what happens to the smaller national teams

[@Secondyellowcard]

A complete reversal of this with nations like England and France could be very interesting