Counter Narrative: Black Americans, the 1619 Project, and Nikole Hannah-Jones | GZERO World

[@danielm5161]

I don't understand why people act like American slavery isn't taught in school. Slavery and the Holocaust were the two main things I remember learning in middle school (roughly 20 years ago). I live in California so maybe it's different in other states but in Cali American slave trade has been getting taught regularly for decades, it's not some cover up as some appear to suggest. How much time is a school supposed to spend on race? American history of race isn't the only subject in the universe our young people need to learn about.

[@wildwestadventures3583]

I grew up in super conservative west Michigan and was taught about what happened with regar to slavery.

[@imawarrior67]

Nah in Ohio I remember learning about the holocaust and slavery just about every year

[@jameslinmd]

It's the communist cultural revolution trying to change America through disinformation propaganda.

[@VeggieRice]

the way slavery is presented is a joke. there's not much detail into its history, how it was largely on the global decline until the US juggernotted into it; how the origin of the police force were slave catchers, the insidiousness of 3/5 legislation, lynchings, the prevalence of rape, etc it's also oversimplified, and there's no mention of many American leaders being vicious slave owners, either. when we talk about slavery it should be in every chapter of American History because it's effects were at every stage, including the present. (gerrymandering and redlining are still on the books in over half the states)

[@jameslinmd]

@@VeggieRice who gives a damn about what happened one or two hundred years ago when the slaves were ALREADY EMANCIPATED? Want to live in the past? Go right ahead and stop preaching the Demonrat commie revolutionary propaganda.

[@patstedmanspolishpassport9264]

" The wealth gap has been unchanged since the 1960s" no kidding, and KZbinrs like Kevin Samuels have something to say about that more contemporary history. The reasons for that continuing wealth gap have more to do with the destruction of nuclear families and developments since the 1960s than the history before that. Can't fix a wealth gap and create lasting generational wealth and close the education gap when around 80% of children in a community are raised by single mothers and a majority of children are fathered by a statistical minority of men who impregnate the majority of women (a type of polygamy without responsibility in the modern era.) All the history lessons and white guilt in the world cannot fix a community that's gone from slavery to becoming its own worst enemy and coddled from accountability, a community manipulated by corporate media to cling to the idea of 400 year old history being the main culprit for sociological problems that started in the 1960s since the sexual revolution.

[@Leann2]

This 1619 project is such crap.

[@adissonreedy7331]

What annoys me is that the feminists were able to get voting rights AND not having to take part in the draft

[@JayKay-ov8lu]

I'd like to see her debate Thomas Sowell. How about Larry Elder? Ben Shaprio? I want to listen to this race hustler debate fact Machines

[@badhabits1965]

Facts are racist

[@buckbreaker5185]

Would never happen

[@VeggieRice]

Ben Shapiro has been embarrassed at debate so much he no longer engages in it publicly! 🤣

[@VeggieRice]

also "race hustler" is a synonym of slave trader, btw

[@justmyopinion9883]

Nikole Hannah Jones would mop the floor with Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder and Ben Shapiro. She knows her subject matter very well.

[@edwardmartens9092]

We must be something right here because a lot of people sure want to get here. Someone should ask here if this is a white supremacist country why are the Nigerians who emigrate here doing so well?

[@inoblesinobles2836]

Because they have an African culture of success. American Africans were fed white supremacy. Duh. If blacks were left ALONE. Blacks would be African like any Nigerian or African. Tge system is toxic

[@LegendKiller03000]

This is the same talk of Mao and Stalin and Fidel Castro

[@Jason-cn5vo]

Well,she's a greedy Marxist.

[@aioncrypto974]

Race race race

[@43Danc]

America is an exceptional nation. That’s not a myth. However, what is a myth is the idea that we never where. Clearly America was historically exceptional, and that exceptionalism in the world was defined by the architecture of ideas of freedom from our countries founding fathers. The most racist rhetoric today comes from leftist political groups, and what’s really sad is how a portion of Black people in America continue to be lead along by leftist racist whites and other, so called “Black leaders”, to keep the spirit of fear and hate alive and well.

[@micro1603]

Poverty is a state of mind!

[@NOMOone]

So is entitlement

[@adissonreedy7331]

😐4 seconds in and im not interested

[@jvmoye]

Wow was that a good interview. She makes me proud to be from the state she is in.

[@justmyopinion9883]

Thank you for sharing this magnificent interview with Nikole Hannah Jones. I am so happy that she is not allowing anyone to silence her. The backlash has been fierce, but she keeps going. Love you, Nikole. ❤

[@gmac805]

There's a lot to say but I will constrain my remarks. First, the world's first democracy in ancient Greece was a city state where free men ruled over a city full of slaves. So the presence of slaves in a democracy isn't in itself a negation of that democracy's legitimacy if the body politick determines who is and who is not a free member of that community. This matter of who is and who is not a free member of this society is the heart of the matter. The ancient Greeks had Greek slaves and non-Greek slaves. They may have even had non-Greek male citizens; I don't know. But no amount of screaming, crying, or claims of hypocrisy against the Athenians for choosing who is and who isn't a member of their democracy will change the fact that Athens was a democracy for Athenian men. There's a reason Athens and the rest of the ancient Roman and Greek world served as an example for our founding fathers. They based their revolution on Enlightenment principles, Western ancient history, and British fundamental freedoms to found a Republic that set itself a part from any other political movement that offered the common man a chance to flourish without undue hardship from the state and his fellow citizens. Did the presence of African slaves immediately render this aspiration a lie? Yes and no. Yes, the standard of freedom the American Revolution sought to establish did not encompass slaves but what society up until that time considered all men free and equal? Was there a society that ever considered the "other" as equal and endowed with certain in alienable rights? No. There had never been a non-Western society that afforded all peoples the same rights and privileges as tribal members unless there was an element of subjugation and tribute. In short, African slaves were not considered part of British society or the European colonial settlement. Same with the the Native Americans. Did African slave traders embrace other African tribes or Europeans as full fledged members of their societies? No. Humanity is tribalistic. Why are Europeans condemned for the same impulse seen all over the world? Africans were not considered a part of "society" but were necessary to its functioning as other assets were. That may seem harsh to our sensibilities but that is the history of the world. The only difference was that slavery in the Americas for the first time accompanied the mass movement of disparate peoples from different continents because for the first time in human history technology made mass movement possible. Many of the founding fathers recognized this tension between freedom and slavery. They condemned the ancient institution and tried to limit its scope and expansion. We should respect the hope and aspirational foundations of the Declaration of Independence and the brilliance of the Constitution for a Republican form of government.

[@PraiseTheMostHighAlways]

Hold a cotton picking minute. If I go do a job for let’s say att, I would complete the job and get paid weekly or by- weekly if not salaried. My employer gets paid then they pay me. That allows me to pay for housing and food right? Well if the indentured or slave went out and completed a job. His master or owner would be paid. He didn’t starve and he had shelter and most likely a family. Did something change? Or did we get fooled about history and the way things worked. We can’t implant our gut feeling into the past because it’s the past and the climate was 180 from the current social structure we live in. We are in fact too blessed to the point that the things we fight for is foolish. We have 0% honor or integrity. Being tossed to and from spiritually and mentally. Lost sheep without conscious.

[@natbirchall1580]

Nobody ever got anything of value you work or fight for it

[@chriscooper4317]

Damn straight

[@orwellknew3408]

Pennywise said " Come to the 1619 project and you will float.......float "😱😱😱😱

[@alexkocharov4292]

Please tell us about situation in Armenia ! There was a war with turks again.

[@yvonnewright3527]

Teach the children the truth. Don't lie to them. African slaves built the Whitehouse and the country. Tell those children the TRUTH! They are not the ones that are bad. They reap the rewards of it. Did the children of today wonder why most black people don't own houses and pay rent and never own the house? That should be a red flag to them.

[@renepassa1969]

Because they have no fathers. Your problems are just that, yours. You have the same opportunities every one else in the US does. If you sit around and complain, blaming others for your bad choices, you're not going to get far. Oh, and that's a HUGE lie. POC did not build our country or the WH. Nope. Go cry in your coffee, victim.

[@thomassenbart]

Saying that slaves built the White House or the country is wrong. Some slaves were the manual labor in the construction of the White House but that does not mean they built it. You discount the architect, engineers and other laborers when you say this. If you use draft animals or machines to build X does that mean they did it? Skilled labor and solid engineering built the White House. Also, regarding the country. Slaves occupied a small percentage of the population, mostly concentrated in south and engaged in agriculture and in manual labor I.e. not building but harvesting cash crops primarily, which was valuable but not what built the country. The USA was primarily built above the mason dixon line and after the civil war, by massive industrialization, oil, banking, midwestern agriculture, railroads, innovation, shipping and fisheries, mining and trade, etc… Very little of that had to do with slavery.

[@dottieeberhart3968]

@@thomassenbart q1

[@michaeldean8113]

They did not build the country. Most of it was built after slavery was abolished. As was noted above, slaves mostly worked to grow and harvest cash crops in the South.

[@Steinwbs]

I don’t think either side on the issue understands the other.

[@richardtaylor6341]

Btw yall, she is a journalist, not a historian This is like Graham Hancock being the dominant archaeological theorist...

[@favvids3779]

slave labor is part of our international politics. Like Malcolm X said, US domestic policy is a direct reflection of its international policy. Until we all understand this we will remain stagnant as a nation. So much of our history is based on race, specifically “whiteness” and those who have and continue to try to achieve it. We keep labeling these conversations and those who seek to advance them as “race hustlers” and “woke”, instead of engaging in deep and meaningful dialogue to advance this nation.

[@cherylparris5277]

Thanks Ian. I am impressed that you invited her. There conversations directly impact the politics in the USA today as White anxiety/ignorance is manipulated. Anyone who says that the topic is irrelevant doesn't understand the January insurrection and the affects and impact of how history is taught in the US.

[@stevelajqi7430]

Your guest is a well educated person and all she has is hate for the world and a divider of people sham of her

[@michaeldean8113]

This is complete nonsense.

[@worldtraveler134]

I just purchased the book, page 12 "Democracy" The Enslaved could not own, will or inherit. Today Jan 1 2022 Americans of African Ancestry own 0.1 % of Wealth in a Country we help found by sweat Blood and tears. also in the Book, Ms. Jones makes known We American of African Ancestry have GIVEN the meaning to the words written in the Declaration of Independence! We deserve REPARATIONS NOW!

[@AmericaFirstRifleman]

Lol This is why we fail at as black people and I like how the white man won't bring on another black person to debate these ideas

[@chriscooper4317]

Reparations for what. More free government money. Get the fuck out of this country

[@thomassenbart]

Really ignorant comment

[@Mari-rz5sh]

Time to keep our lamps full and wait on the Bridegroom. Time to abide in our Heavenly Father that HE may abide in us. Time to share the gospel of the Kingdom of GOD & be a disciple of Jesus Christ. To be baptized by the Comforter the Holy Spirit.. Time to wait on HIM. Time to trust, lean, seek HIS wisdom, understanding, knowledge. Time to love unconditionally, forgive, & repent of all our sins…,.

[@kewlbeone5949]

Breamer is a clown

[@davidw9772]

Dear Mrs. Hannah-Jones, you are an amazing patriot sharing truth and exposing our fraudulent high school curriculum.

[@Manutd04690]

Im glad as hispanics we just keep working although we get discriminated by all sides..

[@p00ka64]

Excellent interview. This is how America moves forward